The Kristian Harloff Show - Parallel Universes and the After Life with Jessica Chobot

Episode Date: February 3, 2022

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Visit sandyspringbank.com slash real. Mortgage home equity and other credit products offered by Sandy Spring Bank. What's up, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of The Big Thing. I'm pumped for today's episode. I get to talk to Jessica Cho, but I haven't talked to Jessica in a while. Met her actually during my Fandango days. Obviously, you guys know her.

Nerdist, tons of stuff. She's been doing things forever, been in this space. She is like an OG. And there's so much for me that I want to talk to her about that we get to geek out about. And as you know, inside of this show, there's just tons of shit that we're both parents. So we both, pandemic-wise, what the hell are we watching? You guys know I was watching old 80s movies. I watched about last night with Rob Lowe and Demi Moore, for God's sakes, and don't regret a second of it.

So I was asking Jessica, what she's watched. She's re-watching. Veep. She has, she watched Dune. I love Dune. I also watched Dune from the comfort of my own house, but also regretted not seeing it in the theater. So we're going to talk about that. There's tons of shit.

I want to see what she's excited about, what she's not excited about, what she's heard about, all that type of stuff and more. It is the big thing. It's Jessica Chobot. Let's do it. What's up, everybody? Welcome back. Big thing. Thanks are joining me today. If you haven't done this already, I know I've been telling you already. I'm blue in the face.

The new mantra here is, show just a little bit of class, will you? And subscribe to the podcast. Subscribe to the podcast on Apple Podcast, Spotify, all that stuff. And if you already haven't done it on this channel, subscribe. notification, all that. All right, enough with me. I'm bored with me. So I can only imagine you being bored with me. Ladies and gentlemen, joining me today, the one and only Jessica Chibotis. Hello. How are you? Good. How are you? I'm good. Do you like that I tell my audience to show some class? I think that's actually quite nice. Yes. Well, I mean, also, I mean, do they not show

class normally? I mean, it's it's the internet. You've been around long enough to answer to that. Well, see, that's the thing. Like, why even mention it that, you know, because you're fighting an uphill battle, so why, why bother? I think that's the reason. I think the reason why I've been doing it more and more and telling them to show some classes because people have started to show just a little bit of class. I just need an ounce of class. How are you?

How's everything going? What's the latest? What's the greatest? Tell me. Gosh, well, right now I'm just sitting at home twiddling my thumbs, which is driving me insane because I've been used to being on the road for a long time for the Expedition X show that I'm on. So I'm going a little stir crazy. That's kind of driving me a little nuts.

But other than that, like things are good, I guess. I don't know. I'll be honest. I haven't talked to somebody about what I'm doing in my life in any way, shape, or form since the start of the pandemic pretty much. Yeah. So I don't really know how to talk to people anymore. I don't think.

I'm telling you, that's why I'm doing this show, just it's like it's because it's one of those things. Just having those conversations, you're like, oh my God, I haven't talked to anybody about this stuff. So I'm glad I'm glad we can do it.

Let's let's have a therapy session. Yeah, it's really weird. Like I've noticed I even stutter more. Like I've always had a bit of a stuttering issue where I'm already two steps ahead thinking about what I want to say next before the thing I'm supposed to be talking about at this moment is even. out of my mouth. So that has been, I've noticed that has increased quite a bit since I have been, um, you know, by myself and hold up in my house with, you know, with my kid and my husband and

stuff. But still, it's not like talking to strangers and learning how to dance that dance. I'm with you, man. I've got, I've got two kids and my wife who have been here for like two years. And it's the problem is it's that tease, right? It's that tease like, ah, don't worry about it. And it's starting to, you guys are, you guys are good. You've able to get back into the world. Just kidding. Just kidding. Yeah.

Yeah, because that's, I don't know how old, how old your, your child is. But I have, I've got a four year old and I have a 10 year old. And it's like, it's just, you know, two years. It goes like that normally. And inside of this, you're just like, oh, my God, you were so little when this thing started. And now it's like, it's just kids aren't supposed to grow up like this. No, no, no, no, at least where we're at, not that I want to talk pandemic, the whole time. But at least we're at, I feel they've done as the school system has done as good

of a job as possible of keeping track of everybody, making sure everybody's safe, but also giving as much normalcy to the kids as they possibly can. So that's nice. And I've noticed that since school has been opened, at least by us, I don't know how it is in the rest of the country. But he has definitely, because he's eight now. So he's definitely blossomed compared to where he was when we were all doing, you know, like home teaching. Yeah. So that's good. I'm glad that that's, you know, at least, at least there's some socialization there where I can tell a big difference.

So I'm just happy we have that. Yeah, it's the same. And I think that one of the things that we've actually to kind of turn it back to what we're talking about at the beginning here was that one of the things that we've done with my oldest is that we have like these movie nights and we have like things that we do. And she's like, she's like massively into Harry Potter, right? So we're rewatching. We watched, did you watch this special?

Did you watch the 20-year reunion thing? So I did not. And I am not a not fan of Harry Potter. I've just never been a person that got sucked into it. Like it just worked in my thing. I was a little older by the time it came out. So my first introduction was the first book, which I finished. But I was like, okay, this is cute.

And then the movies, which I enjoyed. But I never felt the need to like follow it, which is really funny. considering what I normally am into anyway as like mythology and, you know, magicians and wizards and witches and all that stuff that I've been into for so long. You think that that would speak to me, but for some reason it didn't. And I think it's because I'm already so into that stuff and I've done so much of my own research on it and my own work on it that seeing it as entertainment, I'm just like, yeah, but that's not Totally right or this. Oh, I see where she got the inspiration for this.

Right. So you become a little more critical of it. I get that for sure. I think that it's there's and it's like you said, you can there's a movie you appreciate it. You watch it. Oh, I enjoyed that, but you don't go back to like really dive deep inside and go, oh, I got to watch it again. That's actually how I felt about like you're speaking about VEP earlier off air about Seinfeld, right? Like Seinfeld's a show to me that if it's on, I'll watch it. I'll enjoy it. But I like, well, I'll be sitting around my friends and they'll throwing in old references to episodes right over my head because I'm like, I appreciated it very much so, but I just never got into it like everybody else. So I understand that for sure.

I like Seinfeld's friends was that for me. I never got into the friends thing. Like if it was on, I'd watch it. But that was also when I was like in between that end of high school moving into college phase. Right. So I was more interested in hanging out with my friends and going and doing things and staying out as late as I could versus being at home watching, you know, T.J. I F. You grew up, you grew up in New York and then moved to? I've been everywhere. I was born in New York State and then moved to, gosh, where did we move after that? I think for like multiple times around the state we moved. And then I ended up going to, I think, Virginia and at one point, Illinois and then Michigan and then Ohio. Wow. And yeah, and then out. And then,

out to California and then SF and L.A. and all of it. Was a family in the military or something? No. My dad was in car sales. And so when he got to Michigan, that was basically, you know, he basically was promoted every three years. And so they would move him closer and closer to Detroit since that's car capital of U.S.

And then once he got there, my family is still there. But I kept moving. I get antsy if I'm anywhere longer than like two or three years. LA has actually been the longest I've ever stayed in one spot. And it's been great. But I'm finally getting to the point now where I'm like, ho we, I got to get a move on.

And yeah, it's just I'm like, I'm like bouncing off the walls and my plan. I relate. I relate to it. But I have to ask though, too, is one of those things because as you're moving around so much as a kid,

because that's, that's tough. That's tough when you, when you're moving from, let's say Virginia, Michigan, where you're going back and forth to all these different places because you're, and you're,

I mean, at least now, I didn't know you back then, obviously, but you're pretty social and you're meeting a lot of friends. And is it pretty tough to knowing that any, any year now, you could pick up, move, leave, go to a new place and have to kind of start your life all over again? No. No. I loved moving around as a kid. I got, I, I'm a forced extrovert. So I'm actually, it's weird. I don't know how to describe this. I prefer to be at, I prefer to be by myself, not necessarily at home. So I don't like being in the house, which is why I get antsy and I want to get out and roam around or I want to move every two years. And I also enjoyed that as a child. But I only want to do it by myself. I get it.

I get it. You know, like I take vacations by myself, but I do a lot of stuff by myself. So it's this weird, like intro, but my job and stuff, if you give me something to talk about that has, it, relations to my work, at least there's a subject matter that I can fall back on so I don't have to think about things to talk about on my own with somebody. So that's the extrovert part that kind of comes out. I don't know. It's really weird. It's probably there's probably some things I need to. The Jeep Wrangler 4x E. It's electrified. So you can boogie, wuggy, wuggy, up a mountain over creeks or boogie-wogie-woogie through a desert where you get bit by a pit viper.

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I don't know though. I don't know because I tell you I it's the same thing like I'm I've always been good in a room talking to people that type of thing but I've always it's a lot of times I'd like to be inside of my own head my own thoughts and be and I think that's why I got into stand-up comedy you know so I could just kind of rely on myself even though strangely enough you're talking to all of these people but you're really alone it's that it's that sad clown thing but you're you're alone you're up there you're in your own thoughts you're the one that's kind of responsible for your own thing but the same thing where I would like to I didn't like to be I love, look, I love being in a movie theater or being on a couch watching a movie, but I like to be out doing things, but I'm the same way. It's like I'd like to be, if I'm at a party, I'm kind of the one sometimes listening at the conversation or if someone talks to me easily can talk and be a part of that conversation, but I don't necessarily want to be the one all the time doing it, you know? Yeah, that's where I'm at too.

And I also feel bad to at events and things where I run into people a lot. it's really, I have a really bad memory for names and faces, honestly. I'm better with faces. I'm better with faces terrible in names. I just have a bad memory. And so I do. My short term memory is garbage. And it's so weird, like long-term stuff.

I could tell you what I had for lunch three weeks ago. But you asked me, like, who is that person you just talked to 10 minutes ago? And I'll be like, I don't know. And so, yeah, in parties and things of that nature, especially industry parties where I know I've met 99.9% of the people, but I just can't remember where or when or at what time. I completely shut down. It's just like, I can't handle this. Yeah, and it makes you feel bad too because you're like, I'm not doing it to be a dick.

I'm just doing it because I can't remember. I literally run and hide sometimes because I'm just like, oh, God, this person's going to think I'm an asshole. It's not that. And then I start panicking. then because I'm panicking about trying to remember their, their name or where we'd met, I stumble about talking to, you know, like it's just, it's just, it's a full on social meltdown. I get it. I do this thing sometimes, especially when there's someone that I know and I know their face

well, and I can't remember the name. And I'm saying, and I'm saying, and then someone else comes up that I do know. And now I have to introduce that person. And so I do the thing, and I've done it so many times. And let's say the person's name. I don't know what. Let's say I'm talking to my friend Matthew. Hey, hey, hey,

Matt, this is, this is, uh, this is, and he's like, and he's like, and he looks and he goes, oh, no, no, my name is Jeffrey. And I'm like, oh, yeah, I'll mess up the name or I'll say it. As I'll be confident enough that I say the name all the way through. Like, I'm really confident. His name is Hazza and it's, it's, it's the worst thing I could possibly do, but it's the only thing that I do. Um, but yeah, I'm, I, I, I relate to it for sure. I flip it on them. I always go, like, if somebody comes up, I'm like, do you know, do you know, so and so, and then they are forced to introduce themselves to the other person so that I can hear it. And they're like, oh, fuck yeah.

Yeah, do you guys know each other? Go ahead. Tell them your name. Yes, we do. And then they don't introduce themselves. I'm like, fuck. I don't. I'm screwed.

You just run. You just run. Are you, I forget, I know we've talked before when, because you had me on, when, on Nerdist, and we talked to Star Wars. Are you a big Star Wars fan or same thing, kind of casual? I would say I'm slightly above casual, but not obsessed. Okay. You've been watching any of the series?

In all the movies, I haven't, well, I tried to watch Mandalorian. Yeah. And I just, it was okay. I just couldn't get into it. I kind of just like the movies. And obviously in particular because of my age and like when they came out, the first original three. And that's kind of my jam.

Like I, you know, like I know everything that's going on, mostly because of work. I've always enjoyed going and seeing the movies, even when they've not been the best. But I enjoy going. And so, yeah, I mean, I, you know, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, that's a way to put it. Yeah, the reason I was going to bring up, there's a scene in the, in the, in the bobra Fett series where they have, they, they, they introduced this wookie and he, he, Bobafet lets them, let's, let's

let's him, let's, that, that, that, that, that reminds me of, of, of, of the story. we just told them we're trying to introduce people. You just kind of like that walking, just run. Like I'm out. Just run out of the party. Speaking of work, so tell me right now, because like I said, when we were, I actually, I misspoke before. I thought the first time we'd actually really met was at the Fandango thing, but that's not

true. We actually competed in a schmowdown against each other. Oh, that's right. That was, by the way, am I allowed to swear? Because I've already met about four times. Come on. I think I might, I might have started with cursing when, when I did the intro. But I think I just had Freddie Prince Jr. on the other day.

And he said, you know, in your intro, you said, shit three times and you burped. He's like, I know that I'm at home. I'm like, yeah, yeah. We're good to go. So, yeah, so we met, we met them because Dan had introduced us and that's how we wound up doing it. But then, yeah, you came on the Fandango show, but what, and then you were a nerdist for a bit.

So can you, can you tell me and the audience at the moment? So what are you doing at the moment? So after nerdist. So here's the thing. I have always been really into like mysteries, historical, any mystery, historical mysteries, lost treasure, missing people, you name it. Like, I just love all that stuff. And I guess for lack of a better phrase, just for convenience of our conversation, let's just shove all of that stuff, including like conspiracy theories, UFOs, all of it, ghosts, you name it, haunted stuff. Let's shove it all and just let's just call it paranormal. So I've been really interested in paranormal, weird stuff.

since like fifth grade. And once I kind of felt that I was relatively established in the pop culture game space that I was doing, I was trying for a long time, a long time to get on a ghost show or some sort of weird paranormal. Like it was a life career goal. Like I had to. I mean, I remember sitting at home watching these shows like, gosh, what did I grow up with? Like believe it or Ripley's believe it or not.

And Unsolved Mysteries and, you know, what was the one that, gosh, one of my favorites was the old original with Leonard Nimoy in search of. Okay. Love those. So I remember watching those and just being obsessed with wanting to be on a show like that. You know, Jessica, the moment that we've been waiting for since September is finally here. In honor of the big game, Draft King's Sportsbook, an official sports betting partner of Super Bowl 56. is giving new customers 56 to 1 odds on either team. You bet just $5 and you get $280 in free bets if your team wins.

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In New York, call 1-8-H-O-P-E-N-Y or text, Hope, New York, 467. So I love this, by the way, and I'm going to tell you the complete honest truth. I know that we were going to talk about certain things we were watching, learning more about this. I don't want to talk about any of that shit. I just want to talk about this. I want to talk about, I want to talk about aliens. I want to talk about parallel universes. I want to talk about all that shit because I am fascinated by it.

I'm fascinated by, Jessica, last night, last night I was doing a search of when you died, do you go to do a multiverse or an alternate universe? And I don't mean, I know that it's... Yeah, I know that it's not a disappointing movie. Which one? The new Matrix was a little disappointing. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I liked certain aspects of it. Like, I love the older, maybe because I'm older.

I liked the older romance and that they made the whole qualities for it. And I was like, these two are the best. But that was about it. Although, if you want to tie that into the paranormal stuff, in my opinion, that whole story, like the whole Matrix thing. I know other people have mentioned this as well, and I would agree with them, is really based on like somewhat of the Gnostic Gospels, which is part of that whole hermetic kind of occult way of thinking. I don't know. It's just it's fascinating.

Okay. Anyway, sorry for interrupting. No, no, no, no, no. But speaking of Matrix, like I felt the same. I liked being back in the world. I loved the love side of it too, but it was I wanted it to be great. I wanted it to make me want to go back. for more and I'm like, yeah, if we never see another one, I'll be alright.

Yeah. But and before, you know, and obviously with what everything Marvel's doing now with M-C with Spider-Man and Dr. Strange and all that multiverse thing is like a, is like a thing. But I've always been into the idea of parallel universes and the science behind it and the idea, like just looking at how even like Hawking had this whole thing of, of what he believed was his last thing before he died, three weeks before he died, he did a whole paper on on a multiverse, on the existence of it and how it could work and all these different things. And then I read this thing where there was a guy who was driving a car and I told this story,

the audience like, yeah, we get it. We know you love this story. But this guy was driving a car and he was approaching a truck and he's like, I'm dead. The truck's going to hit me. And then like that, he was driving the car and the truck didn't hit him. So I've had something like that happened to me. But he changed though. But he changed though, when he came back, but when he came back to his work, a guy that he really got along with hated him.

Oh, that's weird. All these things started changing, like that he was in the same, he was, he was in the same life, but different. That's weird. I haven't had the like, I haven't had it where it's, or at least maybe I just haven't noticed, but I never like, so for me, it was I was driving a car. I went to go make a left hand turn and there's no way. There's no way that that car should not have hit me.

Right. Somehow. I just and that's the thing. I don't remember even passing it. I just was on the street onto the one that I was trying to make the left on. But I didn't even, I don't know. Like I don't know.

I don't really remember like that. That's what it said. And that's what it said. It said with like, you know, that this guy had passed into a parallel universe. But I've never had or at least I've never noticed any additional changes beyond that. Yeah. Like I didn't have anybody that I was friends with that suddenly wasn't friends

with me or anything like that. It was the same type of thing. Right. I don't know. I mean, who knows? But I've just been fascinated with the idea of it. I mean, it's the same thing like the Mandela effect, you know, and all this. And I just recently have done a deeper dive with that because I had forgotten that I was

aware of it because I was talking. I mean, I'm, I'm sure you know Steve Zaragoza. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So Steve was on and we were and we were talking about it. He brought it up. And then the whole Berenstein bears and Berenstein bears like that whole thing.

And it's just funny that I've always been fascinated with that. I've been fascinated with, and so with aliens, and you're talking about that, with all this shit that came out recently over the last two or three years with all the footage. And I'm sure you've going, you're having a field. Yeah, I've actually hosted a few of the reveals. I know I, it's so. Yeah. Tell me. Tell me.

Tell me. We need to have a separate podcast because. Yes. Dude. It's just interesting how everything like it's everything is connected in this weird way. So since fifth grade, like I was saying, I was always wanting to be. be involved in this stuff. Pushed and pushed and pushed.

It finally happened with bizarre states. I met all these UFO guys because we would have them on as guests. That's actually how I got my job with Expedition X was through the bizarre states podcast over at Nerdus. And then when I was shooting, so now, you know, nerdist is now done for me. I'm over at Expedition X. All of these UFO guys keep cropping up because now the UFO stuff's starting to get leaked. Yeah.

And, and listen, I like, like, out of all the paranormal stuff, the UFO stuff, while I'm intrigued by it, I wouldn't say, it's, you know, it's kind of like my Star Wars. I like it a lot. I keep an eye out on it, but I'm not like consistent. It's not the one that I'm overly obsessed with. Okay. So I feel like I can have a somewhat, you know, considering the position I'm in a somewhat not, not like immediately belief mindset. Yeah, right. but damn some of this evidence is like whoa and the guys you're talking with are like oh my gosh

that's what I want to talk about because like a lot of like before this like the last two years because now you get people that are coming out like the like the guy used to run the Israeli military at one point to say he you listen to the interview is like okay normally when you think of these people who tell the alien stories you're thinking Randy Quaid in Independence Day you're like these just like these is like lunatics or it's like yeah okay who's taking this guy seriously um and some guy comes out I saw an alien. No, you didn't. You just saw your uncle.

And then, but now with everybody that's been coming out over the last two, three years, and that's what I wanted to ask you, these people that you're talking to, these are all like legit people that aren't like, it doesn't seem like they're making up stories or trying to get a payday, right? No, I would say, even if they are incorrect, let's just say they are talking about, let's just assume that what they're saying they saw was actually something else. UFOs. In their minds, they 100% believe what they saw. So in my opinion, they're not trying to pull a

fast one. They're not trying to make a quick buck. And if anything, it's probably, it's probably working against them other than like quick little snippets of like attention that they get because they're telling their story. But, um, but there's, there's no, yeah, there's no, there has been no amount of of like or sense of um bullshit bullshit or blatantly lying that i've been able to pick up on so what did you get though when you're talking to them and then like you said i think it actually does add more of a more cloud i think to the fact that you you're like okay i'll go in open my i'm not like obsessed with it so it's i'll listen to it and and see what i think and see if they can get me on board with what they're saying or if I can just call up bullshit.

So going in with that mentality probably helps for sure. But what is it about talking to these people that you're like, wow, this is really starting to add up and really get me on board with the fact that, first of all, do you think that they're aliens or do you think that they're just military, other military, other technology that we don't know about, other places? Like what is your belief at the moment? Because for me, fucking aliens. I honestly, I'm not.

I'm not totally sure. I definitely don't think that in the vastness of space, we are the only ones that are alive out there. Does that mean that there's intelligent life or not? Or if it's just, you know, single cell organisms or whatever the case may be or a habitable planet that is, I don't know, that I don't know. I think there's, it's impossible to say that there's absolutely no chance of that. I would never want to make that statement.

I'm sure some of the sightings that people have seen, even the people that are high up there and that you can trust to be telling their most honest story. I'm sure some of that is misidentified. You know, who knows, like, weird weather stuff, weird weather patterns, lights bouncing off clouds in a weird way and casting shadows. The stuff that gets picked up that they're showing now that's getting picked up on radar and is acting, it seems to be acting somewhat intelligent. intelligently, those are the ones that freak me out. Could it be government? Maybe. I feel like if it was somebody else's government, not that I'm really, I want to be really careful that it's like, oh, the U.S. has the best tech, because you never know what other governments are doing, especially if you're not involved in the military like I am. So I don't want to sit there and say like poo, that it could be

somebody else's government. But I don't know. I've always gotten the impression that all of the, the world keeps a pretty good eye on on each other like trying to find out what everybody else is doing and I think and I would feel like they wouldn't even remotely let that information out if they thought it was somebody else trying to pull a fast one on us. I agree. I think that because of all the stuff and all the you know, the spies and and just the the amount of intel that's out there. But just it's the idea of these ships that are like basically floating like page. paper over water and then just zooming off. And the reason I had a conversation with somebody and the person was like, well, wouldn't wouldn't we know about it if it was aliens?

And I'm like, well, in your mind, human beings are the smartest things and we'd pick it up. But what if, just what if we're the dumbest? What are we the dumbest species out there? And the smartest species that is not even way advanced that is able to travel through space and time and all of that. and has been able to travel to this planet for years. And to them, we are stupid cows that are just the same way that we drive by and we look a cow eating grass.

That's us. To them, it's it, don't let the stupid human see us speed on. Why not? Is it that crazy to think that maybe we're just not that bright to them? We're so not advanced as they are. Yeah,

they've been here for years with resources and doing, hell, the craziest theory that I'm not against. Who knows if they put us here? Now, I'm not trying to start a religious. world people, but I'm just saying, who knows? Well, who knows what they are? You know, like, I have no idea. I definitely have no problem wrapping my head around that we're not the smartest in the,

in the bunch. I feel like, yeah. Turn on the news. Yeah. I'm like not too concerned about believing that part of it. But my whole thing then is like, I'm kind of skipping around on this conversation. But my whole thing is why? Why allow yourself to be seen in the first place?

Like, you know? Even, it seems it's like a tease. Like, to me, it's less that they care and more that they don't care that we see them because they can get out of Dodge real, real freaking quick. So. What if it's Steve again? The guy like, hey, Steve, I told you, don't fly that close. They're going to see.

And Steve keeps doing it. It's really, they're just shooting their own top gun. He is. And we're buzzing the tower. He just knows. So you guys just, they keep telling them, they keep telling them, like the last time you went down there, you went to Egypt, they saw you get out of there. Don't go back. We sent you again and now these guys saw you.

Cut it out, Steve. Yeah. Yeah. But I don't know. I think that it's interesting to me that all this stuff has been coming out. I don't think we're ever going to get a clear cut answer. But I'm, I'm with you. There's a lot of things inside of these, the conspiracies and the ideas that are fascinating to me.

There are some that I don't believe at all. There are other ones like, I don't know. how much you go into the JFK stuff, right? Like the JFK thing to me is, like, I don't know how anybody thinks that Oswald acted alone, but that's me. There's all these conspiracies. And I'm sure, as you mentioned earlier, you said, it's not the one that I'm obsessed with the most.

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What is it? Oh, I've muted you. That's me. I did that. Okay, here we go. I do love a really good haunting. So I love haunted houses and like abandoned places and all that kind of stuff. Like I said, weird mysteries where you can kind of like, I love the idea of looking through like an old dresser and finding old letters and wondering who are these people and like trying to track them down kind of stuff.

That's fine. So I love that kind of stuff. I love hauntings. I've been really into, this is going to sound really weird, but I've been really into studying. I don't want to just call it the occult. Yeah. But I mean, I guess that's, that would be the terminology for it is like, Yeah, like hermeticism, where those religions, how they grew and what happened to them,

the Gnostics and all that, how it all is intertwined. And then that actually led me, this is why I say it's so interesting how all these things are connected because of my job in pop culture. That actually ended up randomly. I don't even know how I got to this. But I did a search and somehow the wizard war between Alan Moore. and oh my god um doom patrol oh doom patrol okay Ellen um oh morrison what's this first name yeah sorry I can't help you on that one let me see

here I'll find it Grant Morrison thank you Grant Morrison and and more are in apparently who wizards war with each other and like the amazing because they're both, you know, they both, I know that, I don't know what more necessarily subscribes to, but I know that Morrison is very much into chaos magic because I was trying to get him on the Bizarre States podcast back in the day. And how much of that influences or shows up in their work in comics. So a great example is, and somebody on TikTok actually brought this up and I was like, whoa, but it also kind of ties in the matrix and things of like how this stuff kind of bubbles to the surface of pop culture, and we don't even realize that we're consuming it, is in the

internals, I wish I knew who this TikTok person was, because I would totally give credit, but if you see them, know that I, this is their work. In the Eternals, one of the members is actually trying to find the Emerald Tablet. So the Emerald Tablet is supposed to be this powerful, these powerful writings by a guy named Hermes Trismagistis, I think. I think I'm pronouncing that correctly, who. I'll take your word on it. Yeah. And then that ties into the Kaibelion or Kaibelion.

I've heard it pronounced both ways. And then it's written by this guy who is part of like some other occult group. And it all boils down to all this other stuff. And so that stuff is, it's really interesting how it shows up in pop culture. And we just take it as, oh, you know, storylines. But there's this whole history behind this one object in this one. comic book movie that extends way, way, way, way back. And to me, that's like kind of the connection between like what I used to be doing with the pop culture stuff and then what I do now

and how those two kind of have blended in my life. And it just seems really weird. It just is really weird. Yeah, it's funny. Especially now, have you, since you started doing this, have you watched and I, and I, if the answer is no, I don't blame you, but have you rewatched Crystal Skull, the Indiana Jones, the fourth movie? I can't bring myself to do that. Like I said, I don't blame you. But the reason I bring that up is because even though, even though it's so ridiculous and I don't like the way, I don't think I've seen it since I saw it in the theater, I try to watch a couple scenes. But the crystal skulls and the mythology behind it is stuff that Lucas really and Spielberg actually did research on.

A lot of that stuff was like real. I watched the whole history before the movie came out. I watched the whole history channel special on it. It's doing exactly what you just said. And it's intertwining a lot of this stuff that we think, we don't, we just think. we don't we just think it's storyline but it turns out that it's it's part of the it's part of history right it's part of stuff that it's been rumored been talked about and the same thing goes for I just saw the king's man which I didn't really love the and but I am like like World War I and the idea of

and obviously the assassination of Fernand and all that the way that I like when people do that when they're able to kind of infuse the stuff like he put did you see the movie I have not seen it yet A lot of people didn't. But he basically put Ray finds in the scene when the Archduke was assassinated, but he combined a lot of stuff like Rasputin and things that actually happened throughout history and combined it with the comic book side of it, which was confusing, but I think was still interesting, but not unlike what you're talking about with the infusion of real life stuff,

these facts. And for your case, like the occult here. Well, and it's really fascinating, too. I mean, it doesn't surprise me that you see these things pop up in pop culture, because obviously, you know, a lot, I mean, there's movies, it's comics, it's somewhat storylines, at least are fantasy-based, so you're going to have like an object or a source that you want to go to to base stuff off of. I just have, I just want to research where that originally, where that base originally came from. Like, what makes it, you know, what makes it appealing to

these artists to use it in their storyline and why and then what really happened? And I've always kind of been that way, whether it's been books that have, you know, like fictional books that have referenced certain things or video games or what have you. Like certain games will, will, but their storyline like like, oh gosh, which one was it? One of the Tomb Raiders, I think the first revamp one was, um, had everything happening in, uh, in, oh, this one island. I think it, I want to call it devils, not the devil's triangle, something like that may, might have been the devil's sort. The dragon's triangle. Is that the

one with Alicia Vikander, that one? No, this is the game itself. The game. Okay. The game itself. And actually I think in the movie, they actually might have used it as well. But the first revamp of the game series back in like what, was it 2013 or something like that, where she crashes

on this island that nobody knows about and it's like just shipwreck scene or like tons of shipwrecks. Well, it's essentially like they call it like Japan's Bermuda triangle or something that's like casually referenced. But it's got like an actual formal name where it's like the dragon's triangle or something like that.

And it's just interesting. I never even knew that there was one that existed until that game came along and referenced it. And then I fell into this deep, dark internet pit of like trying to figure out what's the story and mythology behind this area. I do that a lot. I do that a lot. If I start to get kind of obsessed with something, whether it's in a movie or two,

to kind of go down that deep hole and get like i like i told you there's there's just things like there's a series as we were mentioning before not to go back into the conversation of the parallel universes and time travel and all that shit but there's a series on netflix that i have to get into that everyone's telling me about is this series called dark i haven't heard that it's like a three it's like a three season um show and i think it's subtitles i think it's german show but either way it was everyone's been telling me that to watch it because of my with with the parallel universes and it's darker it's it's one of those things so between that that's that's something i'm i've been watching that i want to watch because of my obsession with it

but the other thing i wanted to ask you before we move on to some a few other things is you're you you like animation i feel like yeah yeah so show that i that i am spreading the word about because i think because it's based off a video game i know you're a gamer so as far as did you play legal Legends? I dabbled in it. So Arcane is. Oh, so I have not watched it. Blair watched it. Loved it. I have not watched it yet, but I've heard nothing but outstanding stuff about it. It's phenomenal. I know nothing about the game. Again, this is just people telling me that because of being on the show, people going, we know your taste. You're going to love this. I'm like, all right, animation. I like, I like animation, but I'm not like very similar to what you were talking about before like Star Wars, right?

It's like, okay, if something good comes along, I'll watch it. I couldn't stop watching this show because this show is just brilliant storytelling. It is, it's science fiction, some of the best science fiction I've seen in a very long time. Oh, okay. And it's got an epic feel. It's got a great emotional arc between the two sisters, which is the kind of the crux of the whole story. But it's flushed out. And what they do in the first two episodes,

am I going to spoil anything for you? But the first two episodes, you think the show is going to be one particular thing. And by the time you get to the third, you're like, oh, that's what the show is. And I'm all in for it. All right. I'll check it out.

I mean, truly, I have heard nothing but wonderful things said about it. It's great. All right. So speaking of things that you have seen, we mentioned it. So we both did, I think, the same thing. And we watched Dune at our homes.

I have, I don't know what your setup is at home. I have a pretty decent setup. I got a nice sound system, but it's not a movie theater, right? And I think that it is a movie that should be seen in the theater. There's no doubt about it.

I missed it in an IMAX, but I also like being in the comfort of my home, my own home, just shoving popcorn on my face, watching it back here. But you loved it? I loved it. I loved it.

And I had really snotty expectations about it. Just because I also really loved the book. and I also really loved the original movie. Oh, did you? Okay. That's rare. That's rare for people. Because the book, people love the book, swear by the book. But it's rare that people love the Lynch movie as much, too. I like all of it. I like all of it across the board. And I don't really know why other than just it's a good storytelling.

It's good storytelling. Back when Lynch did his stuff, I had a little crush on Kyle McLaughlin. And I thought, it was so different for back then that it really stood out and was unique. You know, and so I was really concerned. I was like, oh, man, because I remember Children of Dune when it came out on like as a sci-fi, right, sci-fi show or something. Yeah. And stuff like that.

And I was like, I'm not really into that. Oh, gosh, I hope, you know, I hope this isn't, I don't just, this doesn't get, it. It's just, remakes just never are as good as you want. Right. And, but this one was great. This was, it was absolutely great. The music, I mean, all of it.

The acting was phenomenal. They've got, they've got the, their casting was great. The only one that I think I have issue with. And it's not because of her acting ability. She's great actress. She's like perfectly fine in it. I think it's an, the age thing. It's like Paul's mom, Lady Jessica.

Rebecca Ferguson. She just seems a little young. Do you know what I mean? Like I'm like, would you have a, you look so good. Would you have a child that age? But. I don't think how. I'm going to see.

Like I almost saw, like when standing next to each other, I'm like, gosh, you would actually be like, you guys, you guys look like you could be dating. She's 30, she's 38. So. Oh, I don't know how old. I don't know how we were in the books. I don't know if it was ever even mentioned. Yeah, I don't know. Benazirate, she could maybe, you know, doesn't she age slower too?

She could and she maybe had that maybe had him when she was like a teenager. Who knows? Yeah. But, but, but yeah. That's true too. She could have had him when she was really young. It just, it threw me off just because I, and it's a, it's coming from a me place. It's because I'm older and I still have like a, and I waited until I was, uh,

like considered geriatric pregnancy, FYI, which is 35, as I was bluntly told while I was at the doctors. And, you know, so I think for me, that was the only thing because of my personal experience, I was projecting it onto what I was seeing on screen. I was like, huh, really? But yeah, like, of course you could have had it had him when she was super young. Yeah, I mean, it's so funny how we do. I had that conversation with somebody recently, too, because it's still. you've been in the space long enough that you've seen it where if you don't have the same

opinion as someone else, then they automatically say either you're wrong or you're stupid or this and the two. But the answer back to all of that is exactly what you just said. We watch movies and television show and read things and articles, whatever, very differently because of our experiences and our life experiences and things that we've gone through. Like, clearly, I wouldn't look at that particular scene that way because I didn't go through any of what you did. Now, my wife might very well do that same thing that you did because she had a similar experience. Well, and I think people are too hard on themselves and others on both sides of that board

or both sides of that argument where it's like, just, you know, yeah, it's my experience. This is why I do or don't find something entertaining and is the whole point of entertainment is to be able to hopefully either I would think it's one of two things. It's either to observe others and their experiences and be an outsider looking in or to have your own experiences and emotions. reflected back at you, which, you know, is why you want to be watching this show in the first place. Both are totally fine. But, you know, coming at something like that and, you know, people that get angry or nitpick about people that can't connect with something because of their other experiences or

have like a quick hot take or whatever or just like, yeah, you know, it's, it's just, this is what I had a hard time with. Like, dragging them through the streets for that. I just, I'm just like, really? Like, that's why. And then on the flip side, people that like dig their heels in and refuse to look or change their opinion about that one thing they saw that one time because it that's how they feel. I'm like, no, like explore these other options. Like, you know, look at things from different points of view. Well, that's what I'm saying. I think that's a problem with with people in general right now. Nobody really does that. Unfortunately, or at least at least the majority people don't do that. They're they're dug in and they're dug in and they're. And they're. And they hit whatever their particular mentality is. And then what they do is they don't look to try to have a conversation saying, okay, let's have a conversation. You tell me, I'm on the opposing side of you, what you're on. I'm opposing.

Let's have a conversation. Maybe I see your points. Maybe you see mine. It's it's the opposite. It's, I don't know. I don't agree with you. But they all agree with me. So I'm going to stick with them.

And nothing ever changes. And it's such a shame that that's like that. Aside from like people feeling bad about themselves or others. Yeah. It's just I miss like I like those conversations. I like having I like having casual nice debates. I like hearing why other people enjoy what they enjoy. And if they can have a discussion with me where they present why they enjoy that in a meaningful manner and just like a nice convoy.

Like I'm fine to change my mind about stuff. Like, yeah, that's fine. Or I don't change my mind and I say, I don't, you know, I still am going to say. stick with what I think, but I also like your idea or your concept. And that sounds really great. I'm still glad you said that too, because we did, we did a thing where that's kind of the whole point of I started, so I started this channel around four months ago. And one of the things that I wanted to do was to do exactly what you just said is I don't have to, we don't have to agree with everybody, but I also don't want to have that whole thing where people come in and just started

spewing venom, right? So one of the things that I was nervous about when we did it, we did a full, leading up to Boba Fett, we did a whole, we did a whole, rewatch of all of the movies, of all the Star Wars movies. And then I knew eventually we were going to get to The Last Jedi. I knew that, you know, the internet, it just exploded on itself when that, when that movie came out. So I said, I'm going to do something where I'm going to see if we're going to be just exactly everything you just said, a conversation of where people can have a, can talk about it, talk about the things they like, talk about the things they don't and see if it can be casual. And I brought on Mark Riley who, because my co-host and I, we don't, we don't like the movie.

But we had, then we had Mark Riley come on, who loves the movie. movie. We had this whole conversation. And it was this beautiful thing where not only us were getting, just listening to each other, but the audience was in the comments were, there were a lot of them. But it wasn't this thing of like just pure hatred. It was I don't really agree with what Riley just said. I don't agree with what Christian and stuff just said, but here's why. And I was like, wow, it actually worked. So it was. I think that's lovely. I like that. It was, it was nice. But the other thing that's lovely and nice was you said it before and I was

so shocked was Ghostbusters afterlife. Now I don't know if that's because of us being parents and being a little sappy now these days, but it was such like a nice warm and I think nostalgia right now is the it was 3D who was the new was the fad remakes for the fat nostalgia is the

phase right now that everybody is in but I really thought the movie was cute. I thought Jason Reitman did a great job with that. I thought he paid respect to what his dad built beforehand and the And there's, I won't spoil it for people who haven't seen it. But the end, there's a thing that happened at the end. I teared up.

Yeah. Did I tear up? Yeah, I think I did too. I honestly don't remember. But there's that, there's that memory for you. I don't remember my own emotions. But I did, I did. Yeah.

Which is sometimes works for you. Sometimes works. Right. I definitely think part of it is sappy because I'm a mom and I have a younger kid who this was their, what's this their first experience? It was good. No, no. Wasn't their first, but it's made for them. Sure, it is.

Probably that age group. Yeah. And I think, like part two to that statement, it's made for them, but with a nod to the movies and a respectful nod to the movies and the fans that came before. Yeah. This particular, like, quote unquote age group. So I thought for walking that tightrope, they did an excellent job. It was super fun. It was just scary enough.

In fact, I think some of the original movies are scarier in some ways. There wasn't anything too, too goofy or coming out of left field where I couldn't see it tie into the previous original movies. You know, I just, I liked all, I kind of liked all of it. I liked them bringing back the OGs and like as much as they could. And I love that Ray had his occult bookshops. And I was like, I want to be you When I retire

Like literally he is living my dream I'm like that is what I want to be Yeah, that part was fun I think the only part that me and they showed in the trailer So it's not a spoiler that I thought that I probably could have done Without was all the little Oh shit, did I get a spoiler away? No Oh fuck. Well, if I did I'm sorry guys

Everybody knew they were coming back That's it's not really weird It's still It's fine. The movie's been out long enough But the but the marshmallow The State Puff marshmallow the little gremlin type marshmallow and jumping around and attack him.

That was the only part that I was like, well, that was just done for a bit. Yeah. That one, I was actually going to mention that too. That one seemed a little, um,

little goofy, but I didn't mind it. I didn't mind the goofy. And my kid loved it because he's like all those little, you know, it's like, it's like guiltless destruction, yeah.

Murder for lack of a better phrase. It's like the gremlin. Like the gremlin. Yeah. Yeah, the gremlin like when, when you, I just showed my, my oldest.

a scene from the gremlins and when they when they killed deagle you know and it's like uh they're they're out there singing it's ridiculous they're out there singing christmas carols and then they they they send her the the the stairs and it's like it's just like you said just pure pure chaos but it's uh but it's it's funny isn't it interesting and this is obviously personal opinion but when you think back to the 80s movies that we grew up with that were considered kids movies so let's say a never-ending story and Ghostbusters, let's put it, PG-13 or Roger Rabbit and stuff like that, which I don't know if Roger Rabbit was 80s or 90s, but whatever. Late 80s, yeah.

Late 80s, yeah. When you think, like, that shit was terrifying. And I don't know. I can't tell, even as adult watching them again, if they were legitimately more scary, like I feel like kids' movies now are more violent, but not as scary. It's either more direct violence or implied violence. than like, then like fear-based stuff. Yeah.

Not that violence isn't scary, but do you know, like, I know you mean. Yeah. And a little difference. Um, versus versus what we got, which is like, that scene in Roger Rabbit where he's melting the shoe and I was like, holy fuck. Yeah. That's going to destroy me.

Or in never ending story, obviously our tax as he's died. And I'm like, oh my God. And I showed my kid, though, was thinking this is going to, uh, I want to see his reaction this is going to be impactful didn't blink an eye like just did not he's like what i don't care about that horse and i was like you know what i think it is though i think i think it's because when we saw those movies in the theater they were like it was an event to see a movie right it was an event to see because tv wasn't the way tv is now uh you know you catch a couple of fun animation or a network television show when you're in the 80s but like there's the not the type of coverage on things like

now kids are desensitized all this stuff because they have so much they have so much on streaming that they can watch they have so many things that they've seen there's so much like and every single show that they particularly could watch could have an emotional moment like that so they're used to it they're seeing like and it's it's it's it's the matter of uh there's yeah it's just there's so much stuff and there's no twitter there's no there's no facebook there's none of that stuff like i remember when I saw Rocky 4 because he was a massive Rocky fan and Rocky 4 and Apollo Creed when he

dies. Someone spoiled that in a newspaper article and I remember that was like the first kind of spoiler thing that I was ever aware of and it happened in newspaper and I remember being pissed off about it and before like spoilers now you get them you can't go on if a movie comes out stay off Twitter because you're going to get nailed with it. I mean I might

have just ruined Ghostbusters for some folks. For everybody. No. Yeah. I think I think you're okay. But um, but yeah. So that's so but it's funny how you say that because there's certain times I want to my I've been showing I show my daughter my oldest. I show her a lot of the 80s stuff. Um, because she's a she she's she does pick up on that. So she loves she love the goonies. But going off what you just said, the ET like when you thought he died like that wrecked me as a kid.

That whole like scientist showing up in your house all like everything's locked down and wrapped up. I was crazy scared. Wreck me. She said, she just looked at me. She goes, it'd be all right. Man, I wish I had that kind of like, I don't know, gumption as a child. Like, I was definitely not that brave. Yeah, she, she gets, certainly she's emotional, like, she gets pretty emotional about.

But, like, she's also, she, she's read more at 10 than I have read in my entire life. She reads, like, two, like, her, the books that she's reading, she'll read, like, especially, during the pandemic. She would read like a book a day. Yeah. A book like firing through all the Harry Potter books. She read it. I mean, she's she's like a massive massive reader. So like to her the same same type of thing like oh well I've seen I've read that type of thing happening. I know that that's happening. It's a repeated thing like the medium like the never ending stories those mediums were so fresh to us and new to us. They've been repeated so many times over that even kids now have seen something similar

to whatever it is that they're watching. So it is. it is fascinating as time goes on people getting desensitized to a whole. Look at video games. Look at video games is done. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I've watched that whole progression since, you know, Atari.

So it's been really, God, I never really thought about that. I've been watching the progression of video games since Atari and Palm. Like it's so different. What's Atari? Like 81, 82? Atari. Let's see. I was living in Virginia at the time when we had one, but

I know NES was out at that point because I was friends with a girl that had one, even though I didn't like her because she had an asendo. And I could go to her house and play. It's like the kid that has the pool. She had that. She had that. Yeah. She had that.

And I would sneak over it. That and she had an apple. I can't remember which one, but we would go over and play chivalry. And we would go over. And then there was an old coding game for Spy versus Spy from Mad Magazine that we would try to code stuff. We never got it to work. And then we would play tennis on NES.

Anyway, no, I don't remember what I think, yeah, I think Atari must have been, it had to have been 80s. In that area, yeah, in that general area, but like watching the progression of all those games and, and then you look at still, they still, it's amazing. And I think, and we can end on this topic with video games, obviously. When you look at this, there's been very few, maybe you can count on your hand of the movies that have transferred over success. in from video games and I think my my personal opinion is that they they they should stay away from trying to do the the movies you know Sonic Sonic the hedgehog I guess is working out for them but like something like uncharted right where you've got like you look at you look at Tom Holland who they're getting because he's a big movie star right now to me sully is not Mark Wahlberg I love Mark

Wahlberg just isn't the character I think that would have been better served as a streaming series I think that you could have done all those games over the course of what, five seasons, six seasons? I think Witcher is a great example of that very thing. Like, not that I necessarily, it's not amazing television, but every time I watch it, I have a good time. And I love how, and for some reason, at least with me, my brain is able to accept some of the cheesiness a little better because it's in TV format. and everybody's kind of leaning into it. Yeah. You know, like Henry Cavill and his voice and all of it.

Like it's like, you know, like the I, the contacts. I'm like, I've seen. You can do a better job with the contacts. Yeah, I haven't watched the show yet. I got, that was one of the ones that people had voted on for me to watch. I need to watch it. I really like it.

Like the second, I liked the first season, believe it or not, a little bit better than the second. I thought the second got dragged out a little too long and they didn't really end up doing anything. But each individual episode was, still entertaining. Like the overall story arc, I wish we would have gotten a little bit more

from second season. But each episode I enjoyed. So, and I'm enjoying the characters and I'm enjoying how much, I'm enjoying how much the characters are enjoying being their characters, like how much the actors are enjoying what they're doing. Like, you can tell, hopefully, that it's a fun set and that everybody's like, this is great. So I think that would, like, what you were saying, where bring the Uncharted's over to, um, like an HBO kind of like a Netflix TV format and have them roll out is like high end series. I, I'm totally down for that.

I just think there's two, I mean, you look at, first of all, you want to compare it to what Marvel's doing with their series, right? Like those are, these are just comic books that are being turned or, or just ideas really that are be turning into full on series. And I think that that's the way to go for them also. It allows you to evolve their characters.

But with games, it's like you're you're adapting these long stories like look at last of us they're going to do as an hbomax series right so you do like being able to really evolve the characters and put them on a weekly show or however you were going to binge it that is why i believe that video game movies haven't worked because you're trying to condense so much i mean look at arcane right arcane i don't know enough about league of legends to say whether or not it's a it's a pure adaptation or not i don't know the game well enough but what i do know is that by watching it is it They took a lot of these stories, a lot of these characters, turned it into this phenomenal, emotional show that it's like, I don't think a two-hour movie would have done it justice. There's too much to evolve. I don't, yeah. And I also, bouncing off of that, I also think part of the issue is from a, from a movie perspective, I don't know if the respect is there for the storywriters on the game side. I feel like a lot of, you know, it's like, oh, well, I'm, now it's a movie. So now we got to make this into movie format.

Right. Which is, we need to hit these beats, do these action scenes, have this love interest and blah, blah, blah. And so all of the actual good storytelling that is written by good writers over on the video game side of things, I feel is not necessarily respected or is watered down too much and slap something up on the big screen to appease the fans. And that's why the fans get upset when the movies are not as good as they should be is because they've actually been living in this world for however many hours they've been playing this game for and they're invested in it. Because in a way, and I think Marvel figured this out with their comics fans,

in a way where, you know, they are that character. Like they're, they experienced what that character should be experiencing. And so when they see it not really appreciated in such a way by the creators who are making the movie, I understand why they get upset. Do I think that they should get as upset as they get? Maybe not. But, you know, like I get the emotion where it's coming from. Yeah, you're taking time and you're emotionally investing.

You've become, as you said, attached to these characters and the ideas of it. So a lot of times I think you're 100% right that they. Well, I think it also does a disservice for the people in the industry that are actually creating these stories and are creative people to automatically assume that their stuff needs to be watered down. No, it's, it doesn't. Or get formulaic. It's not, it's not necessary. But that is, I think, the power of what streaming has now done. And because of that, we, like, because I think that what would have happened, man, I did watch all Mandalorian. It's one of my favorite. Like, for me, it's, it's, um, it's the original trilogy. And then right after the original

trilogy, Mandalorian, those is my, like, it's one, the season two to me is some of the, the best Star Wars that we've ever gotten. But I don't know if it would have worked as a two-hour movie. I think it would because it would be condensed. It would be watered down. It'd be formulaic. They try to get too many, like I believe that a lot of higher upset Lucasfilm right now thinks a lot of things, too many things are inside baseball, which clearly is working on television side. So there's a lot of positives. I mean, I will say with my Witcher reference, you know, they had that series of books before that that they're also allowed, you know, like the games are based on the books in, in some ways. And the show is, I think, more based on the books than the games necessarily,

but I still feel like there's enough, there's enough storytelling and writing out there, especially with big series like Uncharted or a Tomb Raider or like Witcher or even something like a sandbox RPG or something, like a Fallout. Not that I necessarily want to fallout movie, but let's just say, you know, you need something with a lot of content. There are games out there that can give that. So just, you know, I just wanted to make it clear, like, I'm very well aware, folks, that The Wigner is based on the books. But I do think that that's a great way of looking at it and blending the two so that you do have an ongoing successful franchise that like umbrellas all of these different versions of entertainment. And I definitely think there's enough games out there that have been around long enough and have enough of a backstory and history to them that would also translate well into like a high-end TV. series. Jessica, Joe, about dropping the mic down here, ladies and gentlemen, for everybody. And it was so much fun talking to you. I'm glad that we had a chance to do that.

I'm so fascinated with the new stuff you're working on. Can you tell everybody if they want to check it out where they can go? Yeah. So you should be able to find most of the seasons of Expedition X on, well, there's Discovery Plus, which is Discovery Streaming Service. I think occasionally they run reruns, although I'm not totally sure on their regular, like, cable channel. And you can find it on Amazon and stuff like that.

We do have, so I don't know if you're like really crunched for time. Are you? No, no. We do. So I just want to explain because I get this question a lot. So now this is my opportunity to explain how this is wrong. Yes, please go. We do split up our seasons kind of, sort of.

This is how we basically shoot everything. So we'll go on the road for two months. We'll shoot everything. We're home for a month and a half so that we all can like get rid of all the spider bites some broken bones that we have and I don't have to sweat 24-7. But while we're home, they start working, like downloading and working and editing on the first two months that we were gone. And then we hit the road again and shoot the next two months. And then when we come home, we start VO that we missed from the first season and then eventually it goes up. So it's like

kind of patchwork together. So technically, the reason I am telling you this, and hopefully I'm allowed to or else I just got myself. in a shitload of trouble. The reason I am telling you this is because our second pod, quote unquote, our next, you know, however it's season pod, however you want to say it, is probably going to come out in the spring because I'm still, I'm almost done with VO on it. So you can still see the first half of this season is live now. The second half will probably be coming out in the spring, like mid to late spring early summer.

Okay, so please. It's my guess. Well, make sure you guys check that out. And then I'm sure you're always, you're, you're updating and letting people know on your social media as well. Yes. So for work and stuff like that and Instagram and stuff, I definitely will update everybody and let them know.

I personally am been pulling back from social media a little bit across the board just because I'm, I'm, you know, having a personal breakdown and just need a break. But, yeah, like literally everyone else right now. But I did the same thing to just to be honest with you. Like for me, I went through a whole phase for a while where I would be on, I would be on social media and I'd get in conversation with people and it's like, nah, I really, what I really go out there to do now is I'll tweet if I have a new like this interview, I will go out and I'll put, I'll make sure I they post that. I'll take clips of the interviews. I'll talk about maybe something fun that I've watched, but I don't, I don't engage anymore because I think the problem is. And another point I wanted to make in our conversation and we talked to it before when people got. are so like just angry and want to get a point done. One of the things I like to look at those people with sympathy more so now than I used to have in the past is I also don't know what those people are going through in their lives, right? Because if you look at the last two years of what everybody

has been going through, there are also people that are going through things that you just don't know and there's pure anger and there's pure sadness in them. So when they're tweeting at you, they might not really be tweeting at you. They might be tweeting at something else going inside of them. And I've tried, I've tried to be more sympathetic towards that. So that's also why I've, I've pulled back on social, the engagement on social media than I did in years past. Yeah, I agree with that. For me, too, is was also, I was always, because I get a lot of sense of self from my work. And because of that, anytime new social media platforms would hit, I would feel that I would need to be on it all the time, immediately carve my space out because, oh my gosh, like, I need to reach, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Right, right. And honestly, you know, and it was not, it's just, no, it's just, it's not really like that anymore. I don't know. Maybe it is like that anymore, but it's not like that for me anymore. I'm pretty, I've gotten to do everything that I've really wanted to do for the most part. The only other thing I can think of is, A, I would love to see this show continue because I love doing the paranormal stuff. But also TCM, if you're listening and you need somebody to like intro your old movies, I love old movies. Yeah.

Get me up. But other than that, like I've done everything I've wanted to do. And so I feel like, okay, now I can just kind of not necessarily sit back and relax and just like not do anything. But I don't need to chase my own tail so much anymore. And also on the flip side of that, like I also feel from a actual work. perspective, all these different social media platforms, eventually if you're on all of them all the time and you're trying to develop content, not only do you get burnt out, but you're really, if you want work advice, watering down your brand a little bit. So find the spots that work for you to post your work

stuff. And then if you want to have a personal one, which for me, it's Instagram. So if you guys want to, you know, interact with me a little bit more than the reg, I guess Instagram would be the place to go or my Discord channel. But, um, is Instagram. same as Twitter. I have your Twitter on the bottom there. Is that is that the same? Twitter at this, no, Instagram is a Jessica underscore showbot. Um, Twitter for me is where I post a lot of my work stuff and occasional post gaming stuff on there, but I kind of like avoid Twitter. Um, and I focus on Instagram mostly because I do a lot of my online, online, um, stress shopping off of there as well. So if you want to come hang out and see what random shit that I

bought to make myself feel better that day. Feel free to visit me over on Instagram. I will do that right now, actually. And then Discord is kind of where I have a little bit more one-on-one. I'm not the best of being on there, but when I do go on there, I make sure to try and make it as like individual and like time, like makes sense to have time with everybody on there as possible. And that's really worked out. I feel like, you know, like it's given me some air conditioning for my own brain so that I'm not.

panicking or feeling weird or stressed or like I don't know just I have a yeah I have I have some I have some issues I all do we all we all we're all coming out of this man we're all dude honestly all of this is I am just trying to keep my head above water I know well I feel I'm sure everybody's saying it right now but I do feel like we're we're we're getting we're getting close. We're getting close. I'm joggy paddling and it's fine. This is fine. It's all fine. It's all fine. It is all fine. It's just, yeah, I don't know. I don't know what the fuck I'm doing, dude. I'm just trying to survive. You seem to be doing all right though. You're doing. I mean, you got you got some, you're doing shit that you like to be doing. You're getting back to doing that. You know, you're watching. You're showing, look, whether or not your kid responded to our text or not, you're doing the right thing by showing. on a movies like that. Thank you.

I appreciate that. So there you go. But ladies you gentlemen. I'm trying to be a good mom. You are. You are absolutely been a good mom. Jessica Chobot, ladies and gentlemen,

it's a pleasure to talk to you. I'd love to do this again. Maybe next time we're going to do it in studio. As the new season comes up, maybe we'll get you in studio and we'll do a full episode where we can, we can chat. That would be great. Well,

then you've got to come on my show because we're going to be bringing my podcast back, hopefully sooner rather than later. It's in the word. And it's all about paranormal occult. Oh, I'm there. Whippos. So if you want to,

I'm there. If you want to let that flag fly, Christian. I will let it fly. I'm already doing it. You guys can just pick me up in the ship as a mid-rant. And I will, I think it's great. Because every time you talk,

every time I've ever talked to anybody and I feel like I can be the one to finally poke the hole in that like protective bubble of, oh, this is where I keep my weirdness. Everybody's got an amazing story or everybody's into something weird. And that's the thing. I just love. listening to what people think about this stuff. I'm fascinated by it.

You let me know and I'm there and I appreciate you coming on to show here today. Ladies and gentlemen, once again, Jessica Chobot, make sure follow everything that she's doing and go look at the weird shit she's buying on Instagram. All right. And once for you guys, make sure you subscribe to this podcast and listen to it on the go. Apple Podcasts, Spotify. We're doing really good on Spotify right now, guys. So head on over there.

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