The Kristian Harloff Show - Peter Parker's NEW Suit Revealed in SPIDER-MAN: BRAND NEW DAY! | Major MCU Shift?

Episode Date: August 1, 2025

The first look at SPIDER-MAN: BRAND NEW DAY is here — and it's a big one. On today's episode of The Kristian Harloff Show, Kristian is joined by Coy Jandreau and Winston A. Marshall to break down th...e brand-new teaser and the reveal of Peter Parker's new suit — which features one MAJOR change. What does this new direction mean for the MCU's version of Spider-Man? Plus, James Gunn opens up about the SUPERMAN sequel, clarifying that it won't be a traditional Superman 2. We also discuss his thoughts on toxic fandom and how the DCU canon is being shaped going forward. And in box office news, THE FANTASTIC FOUR continues its strong run, crossing $150M in the U.S., while SUPERMAN hits a major milestone with $300M — the first time a Man of Steel film has reached that number. All that and more on today's episode! Topics include: SPIDER-MAN: BRAND NEW DAY Teaser Reveals First Look At Peter Parker's New Suit (And It Makes One Big Change) James Gunn Teases SUPERMAN Sequel That's Not SUPERMAN 2; Weighs In On Toxic Fans Following SDCC Threats THE FANTASTIC FOUR Passes $150M In The U.S. As SUPERMAN Becomes Man Of Steel's First Movie To Reach $300M SUPERMAN & PEACEMAKER Director James Gunn Explains "The Basics" Of DCU Canon #SpiderManBrandNewDay #MCU #JamesGunn #Superman #FantasticFour #TheKristianHarloffShow SPONSOR: RUGIET: Connect with a provider at https://www.Rugiet.com/KRISTIAN to see if a Rugiet Ready prescription is right for you. You can use code KRISTIAN to get 15% off today!

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Starting point is 00:00:29 If you've ever wondered what combat actually feels like, not the headlines, not the movies, but what it was like to be there. This is combat story. I'm A.J. Peschuti, a retired force recon Marine and scout sniper, and this show is for anyone who wants to understand the human side of war, through the people that lived it. I sit down with veterans from across generations and specialties, special operators, pilots, infantry, law enforcement, and everyone in between. talk about the moments that stayed with them, the missions that went right, and the ones that didn't,
Starting point is 00:01:05 and what it costs during and after. There's no script and no agenda, just real conversations between two people who've walked similar paths. We're not here to create content. We're here to provide context. So whether you've worn the uniform or just want to understand those who have, watch, listen, and follow us wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to Combat Story. know everybody capes and cowls is back but as i say that i realize the intro is not um because the real truth i forgot that's it but we have a lot to talk about today a lot to discuss we have there's a brand new day teaser revealing first look at peter not the teaser itself for this a little snippet of what the costume could look like.
Starting point is 00:02:01 Got coy on to talk about that. He's Spider-Man junkie. What does it mean? James Gunn's talking about a Superman sequel. We talked about this yesterday, but it's not Superman, too. So he said yesterday. But there's a lot of other things we'll talk about.
Starting point is 00:02:15 Fantastic Four passes 150 in the U.S. And Superman's Man of Steel, Superman becomes Man of Steel's first movie to reach 300 million. We got that and more on the show today. Can the guys beat Roxy and Mike? Mike this week. That is the question. It's a battle of the bands. It is Winston and Coy versus Mike and Roxy. Can it happen? We shall see. Here is hopefully the last show without the capes opening. Bring that back next week. Here we go. Welcome back to the show, ladies and gentlemen. It's capes and cows. And on the show with me today is Winston A. Marshall coming in hot. And of course, maybe not even of course. Maybe look who's back. Slim shady and that's that's that's more the thing well yeah welcome back after I made it five of the last nine weeks in this month I'm going to try for five weeks in a row
Starting point is 00:03:18 look at that um so the rendezvous you've been having whether you're at the you're at comic con it was comic do you share the sentiment about everybody else that it was like pretty easy to walk around on the floor was it kind of a much I only touched the floor on Sunday I uh I was in interview suites all of Thursday Friday and then Saturday we share got my HBO show on the floor. But I didn't get a sense of how easy it was because it was with cameras and it was like, I had the most chaotic time. I see.
Starting point is 00:03:45 I mean, I've been there. I understand how that goes. It's like you could kind of, oh, I can see floor. It doesn't matter at the interview from nine in the morning until night at night. Yeah, but it was like it was so easy. I was like, not my experience. No. I just got my voice back.
Starting point is 00:03:58 I'm so excited. You blink. You blink and the day's over. But that's good. So there is, you know, there's not a ton of news. it really came out of it, but in general, it seems like people had a good time. Yeah, it was a fun con. Like, I think it was, I went before the Twilight era.
Starting point is 00:04:15 So I've seen it from both sides of pop culture con. I like when comic books are front and center. You know, it's a little less profitable, but it's a fun time. Yeah, it's just a different, it's a different experience. But all right, so we were going back and forth, Luke and I today about the main topic. And I said, well, Koi's back on that show, too. Let's talk about some Spider-Man stuff. and there is Spider-Man stuff.
Starting point is 00:04:36 Spider-Man Brand New Day teaser reveals first look at Peter Parker's new suit and makes one big change. It's a comic book movie. First teaser for Spider-Man Brand New Day has been released and it offers a tantalizing glimpse of the web slinger's new costume and it finally has raised webbing. Check out the video, I guess. Spider-Man Brand New Day is about to begin shooting in Glasgow, Scotland, and Sony is looking to get ahead of the paparazzi with an official suit reveal. This teaser stops short of showing the whole thing off, but confirms one major. sure to be welcome change raised web on the costume. Marvel Studios didn't head down that route in any of the Wallcraw's previous
Starting point is 00:05:11 MCU appearances, including the amazing suit featured at the end of Spider-Man No Way Home. It clearly won't be carried over to a brand new day as this suit is also a slightly darker shade of red. The logo on Peter Barker's chest appears to have stayed the same as No Way Home's final swings to it at least. Kevin Feingey recently confirmed with the WebSlinger's next movie. It's going to be more of a street-level adventure, and Spidey's new status quo will be clearly be reflected and what he wears. God are the days of his technology advanced stark tech suit. Today is Spider-Man
Starting point is 00:05:40 Day. So here is what we get a reveal, yada, yada, yada. I feel like I owe it to fans to give and deliver the best version of what the chapter for Spider-Man looks. I think it's important. I think the creative integrity for something that is really important and the studios on board and Spotify. Here is this teaser. Let's see.
Starting point is 00:05:58 Okay, let's see. Got the music. Oh, that's it. That was quick. Very brief. So, Coy, out of that, what do you make? Ray's Webbing is exciting for, you know, movie Spider-Man fans. It feels like a throwback. And it's funny. We're living in this really nostalgic era with Superman feeling like the Golden Age and Silver Age, Fantastic Four.
Starting point is 00:06:25 It's interesting now. We're leaning into like a Toby feel, which is 20 years ago now. I think it's fantastic. We're getting a view more. Yeah. More. Oh, God. But I think it's fantastic. We're getting a take on the character that feels familiar, but also shows that it's a stark difference from the mechanized suits. And we're getting more of a street level. We've had Kevin Feigey talk about street level. Now we're having Tom Holland talk about the creative freedom he's getting and all these things. So I love to see them get ahead of a paparazzi shot. Like we're actually getting a little nine second teaser to show this as opposed to like, oh, we're getting someone in a tree. 800 feet away. Like, I think it's a smart move. We had that debate, well, not even debate. We're all in agreement, really, about why we all thought it should be street level and we didn't think it was going to because of the
Starting point is 00:07:15 multiverse angle. And clearly there'd be some of the multiverse stuff, maybe in the post-credit scene, wherever as it leads into doomsday. But it's pretty refreshing to hear Figey say that they are going to the street level because I think they had to have those conversations of, look, in our last movie, Winston, we promised that nobody knows who he is, is Peter Parker. They don't know, they just know him as Spider-Man. He's living in his little dinky apartment, which was shades of that kind of Toby McGuire thing at the in Spider-Man 2 and 3. We got to, we got to do that promise that we gave to the fans and we got to show that that street-level spide. Tom Holland hasn't had a chance to do that. So you believe this is the right move to do?
Starting point is 00:07:56 I mean, it's what so many people have been clamoring for. So I would think so. It's not to say that Spider-Man doesn't play massive parts in the bigger picture. He very much does. But I think what's being forgotten, and it's something that we've said in general that I think has kind of made a lot of superhero movies spiral. Instead of focusing on the character and the world of the character and honing it on that, everything is always about the bigger picture. The bigger picture can be a part of it, but that can't be the focus.
Starting point is 00:08:31 So I think like why, say, Fantastic Four has been resonating pretty well. Is it really partially because they're on a different Earth, but they're just focused on themselves. And then we get to the end and go, oh, here comes something new. I think that that's what has kind of been missing this whole time. There's been too much cross-pollination. So I think this idea of letting him just be Spider-Man and not be, you know, the bitch that went to space. Right. It's important, you know.
Starting point is 00:08:59 Super important. super important um and koi same thing we've we've been discussing it like forever that should be street it's the best move right i think it's the best move and i think the suit reflects that i know it's just a teaser i know it's just showing raised webbing and i know it's uh the first day of filming but i think it's really smart to start your marketing now in a way that doesn't reveal anything because now we get a conversation like we're having about street level about raised webbing and then the next conversation will be about the suit reveal and then the next conversation will be about the villain reveal this gives you a year
Starting point is 00:09:30 of lead up. This movie's out in a year from today. July 31st, next year, we get Spider-Man brand new day. And today's Spider-Man Day. There's like a national Spider-Man Day every year. So they're starting to film on Spider-Man Day, starts the conversation, does it in a way that doesn't reveal too much. I like that we're getting so much misinformation. I love the campaign on this because they're leaking out stuff that they're not actually doing. They're getting people to run crap reports. And I think that more studios should make sure Jeff has a lot to type some of it true. Yeah. Well, I got to then call you out on something there.
Starting point is 00:10:07 That's okay. Sure. I saw a short from the real rejects to where you said, Moon Night's Season 2 is coming out. You said they announced Moonnight Season 2. And I said, when did they do that? And Greg, in the thing says, when did they do that? You said they announced it last week? I looked, no announcement of a Moon Night season 2. And Oscar Isaac said that it was, you'll probably see them in a movie, but there's no plans for a TV show. What happened? I had no idea they were going to
Starting point is 00:10:34 clip that out. I had heard from someone I really, really trusted. And then, well, here I am. Damn, Coy. Okay. I love it. You own it. Yeah, yeah. Oh, I totally own it. And by the time it got clipped, I was like, that was a week ago. We shot that a week ago. And it was like said, like, yeah, sorry, Moon Nightheads, Moonheads. Moon night heads. Moon night heads. Fair enough. Either way, though, Spider-Man is... But I do get the addiction, by the way. It was really funny to see something that was, like,
Starting point is 00:11:08 taken and ran with. And then I was like, oh, well, this is what it feels like. So I'm glad I got Greg some clicks, and I see the dark power in line. Next time, you need to leave it to cont you, bro. Yeah, I just got to, I just got to lie more. I couldn't, I couldn't, no, well, that was, I don't believe you were lying.
Starting point is 00:11:25 And I thought it was true. That's my whole point. This is what I said this about you. Many things I said this yesterday. I said, Koi can say something so convincingly that he believes that everyone else believes. Like yesterday I said, Christian, it's, it's a me. You're like the fact that you are this, uh, Latino voice is just incredible. And I'm just like it. Am I legit? I didn't know that 10. All the course said. I guess it's true. This is why I know that Koi has been running the longest grift of all time. He talks with such an energy and such a passion that everything that like you said that comes out of his mouth seems like the truth. This is just so he can pull one over on us in the long run. that's all that shit is. When I'm cast as Green Arrow,
Starting point is 00:12:03 when at the long game, well, no, just say that you already happened. Guys, I can't wait. I'm going to clip it out, but they announced it
Starting point is 00:12:11 that his green arrows. Like, I guess so. Anyway, so I think we're all in agreement that this makes sense that they're doing this with Spider-Man anyway.
Starting point is 00:12:22 You have to, you have to do this, and it leads into, and it gives us more of a, I think, Corey, you made a great point earlier with what they're doing with Fantastic for,
Starting point is 00:12:32 kind of going old school with them. The way Superman went old school, I like going back and seeing this old school feel. And we've had the MCU big budgeted, well, this will be big budgeted, but big event Spider-Man before, especially for Tom Holland, to see him come down a little bit more,
Starting point is 00:12:50 the way that they set it up, I think it's the right move. Yeah. What do you guys think of it, though? Is it the right move? Is it not the right move? Put your thoughts in there, man. I want to know what you guys,
Starting point is 00:12:59 think is it going is this is this is the right thing to do and what do you think about the suit is the suit something you know i'll be at a small tease is it something that looks pretty interesting and do you see that kind of old school feel with it all right moving on um you know the other thing with marvel right now is their tv shows haven't been getting the biggest push ironhard didn't get a huge push as far as marketing when kind of came and went a lot of their stuff there's stuff they're putting on TV is kind of not as big of a push as you would hope
Starting point is 00:13:38 and I think Black Panther Wakanda the new the new series is it's it's what's it's it's what's it's a guy's of Okanda? Did I drop today? It dropped today, right? And the fact that Winston, the fact that you just asked did it drop today? And didn't know off rip. I knew it was coming out this week.
Starting point is 00:13:55 I just wasn't sure if it was Wednesday, if it was Dave. Right. And it's pretty, it's pretty, It's pretty nuts. And we've all been looking forward to this one. Uh-huh. So let's then get into, and for people asking about DC stuff, you've never watched this show before.
Starting point is 00:14:13 Instead of what we do is we cover the Marvel stuff, then we're going to cover all the DC stuff. So stop this now. Please ask you to stop this. Just stop it. Black Panther 3. The release date has finally been revealed. That's another one.
Starting point is 00:14:26 Ryan Coogler is hard at work on the next Black Panther. movie, a new report claims to reveal whether it will return to Wakanda. You can get a full breakdown of what we know after the jump. It's no secret that filmmaker Ryan Cougar is hard at work at Black Panther 3 screenplay with a recent report suggesting his ideas for the three-cooler generating excitement along Marvel Studio executives. It appears that the movie will kick off the next saga of storytelling after Avengers Secret Wars, concludes the Multiverse saga in December 2027. According to Jeff Schneider on the hot mic, Black Panther 3.
Starting point is 00:14:57 That's February 2028. It's going to start production at the top of 2027. It will be in the theaters February, 2028. Marvel Studios is scheduled an untitled MCU movie for February 18th, 20208. We have a good reason to believe that the plan is to reintroduce Tchalla after Sharia took his place in 2021,
Starting point is 00:15:15 Black Panther Wakana forever, whether it's an adult version of Saint, a, aka Prince Tchala, or simply a new version of Black Panther who returns with a different face in the post-Secret War's timeline remains to be seen. Black Panther found great success in theaters in February 2018 and established the overhauled MCU by putting the spotlight on the next character to hold the mantle makes sense on multiple levels late last year. Denzel, Washington, revealed Hoogler had cast him in Black Panther 3 while nothing has been confirmed. H.B and Magneto are, is that right, H.A.B.
Starting point is 00:15:44 I thought it was Achiba. Could be. Achiebe and Magneto are among the names we've heard from the scoopers claiming to know who the screen icon will play in the MCU3. The Black Panther franchise has never struggled to attract top-tier talent. on, but someone like Washington joining a comeback franchise is a huge deal and could be a game changer for Marvel Studios as a whole. Okay, so then also jumping into eyes of Wakanda here. Well, ending, I don't want the ending explained, but the show is coming out. I guess people are already diving into it. And it just, the idea that this, the show came out, I guess people are digging it, people who have seen it.
Starting point is 00:16:23 But as Winston just said, they dropped it. And did you know? did you see it already i did um it was supposed to drop at the end of the month and then i know they moved it up once i thought they moved it up to give it a weekly release and then they moved it up again like four days ago to august first like this new date like there's a reason winston didn't realize it it just moved and it came out at once today which is crazy because that because the the they did another like big trailer release like about a week ago and i was going to respond to it i just didn't i didn't have time just with stuff going on and then i was like wait
Starting point is 00:16:58 it's already coming. Okay, cool. That's fine. On top of that, I didn't realize it was so short. It's only four half hour episodes. It's essentially just two hours. I don't just do a movie at that point.
Starting point is 00:17:12 That's what I was going to say. Do a movie, do like something, but that's a little weird in my opinion. But, you know, I will check it out. What did you think about it, Coy? I like the writing and the themes. lot like the actual um substance of the story i enjoyed but i didn't love the animation style so like i really enjoyed the backdrops and the painted and this like lush world they built and that ties into the
Starting point is 00:17:41 themes that ties into the really tight writing the writing's like exceptional but when the writing's it's like it's like it with a comic like if you don't like the artist it's hard to enjoy the comic just because that's the the narrative uh use of the story so i really struggled with the animation style um So it's not like amongst my favorite of the animated stuff or of the MCU, but I really like the resonance it's left me with. But while watching, it took me a while to connect the first two episodes. It took me a little bit. I really like the second two,
Starting point is 00:18:10 but I don't know if that's just because I adjusted. So it's not, it's not like a, it's, they're like different things that happen. Like, it's an anthology. So they're all pretty disconnected.
Starting point is 00:18:19 There are things that happen in one, then affect two. But it has something, but it's similar to like, what if, even though you're watching it has nothing to do with the overall, scheme of the MCU. When you get to the end, there are elements that tie into the greater MCU, but they're not,
Starting point is 00:18:34 like, it's more thematic than, you know, it's not homework. Like, you don't need to see it to like the MCU, but it is something that enhances Waconda directly. Yeah. I've been interesting to see it, but, yeah, I don't, I don't know in the same way that, look, you guys raved about that Spider-Man show also, right? And I still, I haven't, I haven't had even an inkling of, I'm finishing the bear. Season three.
Starting point is 00:19:01 I like the bear the season. A lot of people that did. I like it. I liked it too. Dude, there's a scene. You've seen the whole thing? Yeah. The scene with Jamie Lee Curtis and, and.
Starting point is 00:19:09 In the house with Jeremy. In the kitchen. I do exactly. I'm not going to spoil anything once. I'm just saying there's a scene between. Wait, you're on season three as well. Are you on season four? Four.
Starting point is 00:19:18 I'm still on three. I'm very behind. And do Rob, Rob Reiner this season as an actor? Oh, it's great. I like the season a lot. I don't know what people are talking about. Yeah, yeah, I dug it. But anyway, my point is that there's so many.
Starting point is 00:19:29 And then this morning, I said to myself, I go, oh, you know what I'm going to watch next? Tulsa King's season two. And three is coming out soon. These animation, they're so low on my list. They're so low on my list because they used to be high on my list because I'm like, oh, what's it really going to mean? And overall, is it part of the homework.
Starting point is 00:19:47 I guess this is a good thing. It's not part of the homework. But then what if kind of showed us like, oh, we're going to evaluate it like this much. And X-Men 97 had nothing to do with the continuity, and I couldn't keep my eyes off of it. So I guess that's my only thing that I'm so curious about is that like, obviously I think X-Men 97 isn't a class of its own, but like Invincible, we've been, I've, right,
Starting point is 00:20:09 I've quite too, but I've been trying to convince you for a couple years now. It is up there as far as that storytelling goes and everything like that. So I'm just so curious why you're able to lock in X-Men 97, but not invincible. And I know what you mean that there's a lot going on. agree with you the fact that i'm still on season three of the bear right speaks to it of it in and of itself but that's that's what it is i haven't watched any Tulsa king i never i barely remember that was a show right well frank philis and and three's come back and it did really really well um and so i'm
Starting point is 00:20:39 i'm i'm really excited to say and i want to go back and then probably mob land it's another one that i want to get to so those are just so low on my list um in general like it the kind of animation that I have been responding to these days are things like arcane, you know, like. This is very similar arcane style to give it its flowers. Yeah, yeah. I think if you like Arcane, you'll like this. Really? Did you watch Arcane?
Starting point is 00:21:03 Yeah, I could not get into it for the life. Wow. I gave it four episodes, which was four episodes, a lot of my life that I wish I had back. I felt like I was watching someone play a video game. That's exactly. That's amazing. I was born out of my gourd. I was like on my phone most of the time trying to engage.
Starting point is 00:21:19 Wow. That's the best story. telling an animation I think that I wanted to love it I like I know everyone raves it's like the show and it was season one I just I just couldn't find my way in fair enough I shit love it I'm glad everybody's got that show I love it um but did you did you watch k-pop demon hunters you did sure did try you didn't like that either wow you just wow like people like flailing and yelling and i'm surprised you didn't like that one because that one that one that had the same style as the into the spider verse.
Starting point is 00:21:56 It was just the scream acting and yelling and singing that I just. Oh, wow. That was another one that I dug. Anyway, Coy, you're heartless. So it's easy that way. South Park. Heartless. I know you hate South Park.
Starting point is 00:22:09 I'm surprised you. How do you hate South Park? What the hell? It's just not funny in me. It's like, I like a good thing. You're not funny to me. Yeah. You're funny to me.
Starting point is 00:22:19 Disappear. You, you, you, you moon night liar. I come back one week and I've kicked off the show. Yeah, anyway. So what do you guys make? Oh, yeah, we didn't even talk about the other stuff, too, before I did that. Black Panther 3 and the fact that it's going to be potential trilogy or what they're going to do, where they're going to go forward with it.
Starting point is 00:22:43 Now, that's where I was a little confused. Is it this is the third in the trilogy? Or they're going to do a new trilogy? Is that what it seems like, like three, four, and five of a new trilogy? Or they're just ending this? his trilogy here i don't think you get cougler for three more i just i would hope you not i would hope i would hope that he wants to do nothing but produce them like i would hope that he steps away from writing and directing them not because he's not fantastic but just being able to see what he can do
Starting point is 00:23:10 under his own yeah like is is fantastic so i'm like yeah keep him on as a producer to like make sure that the world that he built you know stays intact but otherwise i really hope he spreads his wings Yeah, me too. But let's say this is the end of the trilogy, right? That's what I'm assuming too. We should. The fact that 2028, it seems like they're going to have like this kind of standalone Black Panther movie that's not going to be connected to the multiverse because at that point,
Starting point is 00:23:38 Secret Wars will hopefully have ended all that. So we're going to have a new standalone Black Panther with the new Black Panther that will ultimately allow us to do that. I think everybody will be able to move on and, you know, have healed from the loss of Chadwick and be accepting of a brand new black pan. I do think it'll be, is it dams an interest? I think it'll be him. And I think that, and after seeing him in F1,
Starting point is 00:24:04 I think it should be him. So I think he, I think he would absolutely crush the role. I think he'd be great. I think he'd be able to bring, bring what, what Tichala is all about. And I'm excited to see if that's the case. But if it, if it is indeed the case,
Starting point is 00:24:17 being in 2028, I think Denzel's pretty much a lock with this one. But Winston, you think 2028 is in the end plus the fact that Marvel has already held that February date? We know that they've had successful Black Panther, obviously in February of Black History Month. And so this seems like it all adds up, yes? Yeah. I think that the timing makes sense. I think you need to focus right now on closing out kind of the multiversal stuff.
Starting point is 00:24:44 So, you know, I'm sure whatever's going to happen, you know, it's already been rumored that that Chal is coming during Secret Wars. great you know churries in there great do what you need to do then worry about this afterwards then close similar to what you did kind of with guardians you closed out um you know the main the main infinity saga and then you got guardians three a little bit into the next phase and all that same thing you'll get black panthers three a little bit into the next phase and the focus will be the fantastic four and the x-men as it should be um we saw what they did with fantastic four and we know how much people love the X-Men. That should be the focus as soon as we're done with Secret Wars. Yeah. And, Koi, how are you feeling about all this?
Starting point is 00:25:24 I think it's interesting. It comes out in 2028 because it is probably a new Black Panther in that way. So now I'm wondering if it is a new trilogy. I'm thinking about the timing like February 2028 would be one of the first things we get post secret wars because Secret Wars is like November, December 2027. So this is like two months after. What have we launched the post-secret or's universe with new black panther. Hmm. With and not X-Men? I mean, I know X-Men is going to be probably the forefront.
Starting point is 00:25:56 Like that'll probably be like the anchor, but like if the timing lines up, I don't think they do, okay, the universe is over. Right. Tie into the old Wiccotte. Like that, that'd be, you know. Let's do the math. So you have 2026 is Doomsday, right? So then that's December or November rather, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:15 And then the following year is November 27. And well, you're going to have Spider-Man before that. Before-Syman, today is summer, and that's winter. And then so what, and then there's something that's, so is Secret Wars confirmed for November of 2028? It's a year after- Sorry, 27. Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 00:26:33 Then you're probably right, because if otherwise, yeah, you could, that comes out. What else would you do? So I think you're 100% right. If you have Black Panther, then you introduce the new Black Panther in it in Secret Wars. you get people excited for the new Black Panther as a movie in February. And then that'll be about three years out before Fantastic Four, probably two. Yeah. And then Fantastic Four, two will probably come out in the summer of that year.
Starting point is 00:27:00 And I think that'll be the Fantastic Four in the new universe. I think they come to ours and then that'll be a new take on them fish out of water style. Yeah, and you can either do X-Men in December of that year or hold until December of 2029, which seems a little ambitious. I think they want to launch X-Men soon because it sounds like they're casting. It sounds like they're actively working on that. So I'd say in the next three years, because they have Jake Schreier. They're doing all the things to make it move forward.
Starting point is 00:27:25 But it'd be interesting. I could see them either doing, I'd say like a 20% chance Black Panther 3 is an epilogue, like post-secretel wars, like something to conclude something. Because it's so close. We're talking three months. That's right after. But I would 80% say it's something to launch a new universe, kicking off of the very iconic character,
Starting point is 00:27:44 a new take on the character in a new world. And maybe that is a new trilogy, but the timing's crazy. Like that is a very interesting thing, November to February. No, it is a thousand percent. I mean, I think the other thing about it, though, is that it also opens up this idea that if we're, say, for example,
Starting point is 00:28:00 going to get our new Storm in Secret Wars, one way or there that we don't know yet, obviously who all is going to be involved and whatnot. That is another whole thing that can then be involved. There's like a big storyline anyway, is Tachala and Storm. being together. And if you know that the X-Men are coming, I think that's also another good way to usher in a new era for Wakanda and however you want to go about that. So I think it all,
Starting point is 00:28:23 it all kinds of aligns a little bit in my opinion. What do you guys say on all this? On eyes of Wakanda, you can be watching it, you can check it out. Are you excited for it? Did you see it? What do you think? As far as Black Panther 3 goes, how is it going to play? How is the lineup going to happen after Avengers Secret Wars? Put your thoughts in there. Let us know. before we get into our next topic and we got a bunch of other ones, we are going to tell you guys, as we always tell you about. Ruggiat, I've been telling about them all week. I'll tell you about them right now.
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Starting point is 00:30:14 Make sure you are doing that. You'll thank me for it, I promise. The links are in the description. A few things, guys, part one. We got Mike and Roxy to compete with right now at 133. Okay. You guys currently at 26 with only, again, only half an hour into the show. It's pretty damn good.
Starting point is 00:30:36 It's a good shot. So in order to get to 134, we need a little bit of a boost, but the audience needs to be asking you a lot of questions right now, so you might be in good standings. The second thing is I haven't told you guys yet, but we have pretty much secured a director for the pilot. Nice. We have, once we get the,
Starting point is 00:30:56 we're doing, Martini and I are doing some, some addendums to the script, sending that back off, and then we're probably going to start launching a Kickstarter. Probably, I think, most likely September is what it looks like. And it's a lofty goal because we're going to be trying to go for some big, for some outside talent also. And we're going to be doing some locations and other things. So we have been asking the audience for ideas, for things that they want to see.
Starting point is 00:31:27 Things that some, one of the things that would probably wind up doing, at least I'll be doing and having all you guys kind of join in when you can is I'll be doing probably a full week, if not more, of just full day live streams. And having people kind of come in talking and then. really promoting that is one of the things that at the highest tier we're thinking about letting people be extras and scenes and videos from behind this behind the scenes and other fun things so we're putting a lot of ideas and thoughts because we want to shoot this like a full-on produced streaming pilot already like it already happened you know what where are you thinking of shooting east coast west coast it's going to be l a show yeah it's based it's based in l. i thought so with the comedy scene i wasn't sure yeah i mean the comedy scene is is a brief part
Starting point is 00:32:10 in the beginning of it. It's just different comedy scenes. I mean, you'd know better than I, but East Coast. It is, but it's really not about stand-up comedy. It's like the opening scene takes place in a comedy, but the rest of it is essentially, but it's, it's LA-based. It's LA-based.
Starting point is 00:32:25 So yeah, so we'll see. And I'll be, I'll be having more conversations. I'm hoping that we'll be able to announce the director soon, but we shall, we shall see. All right, let's get to some DC talk. This is a big story. story. Tim Burton's Batman movies are returning to theaters and Dolby
Starting point is 00:32:43 cinema for one night only this month. I wish it wasn't one night only, which was a weekend. Didn't they do a full weekend for like Spider-Man 3 and stuff? For like the Star Wars movies, all that kind of stuff. Yeah, it's full weekend. Anyway, Tim Burton's Batman and Batman returns are returning to theaters later this month for one night only when they will screen in Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos for the first time.
Starting point is 00:33:03 Fans of the Dark Night who never got the opportunity to see Tim Burton's Batman movies on the big screen are in luck unless they happen to have plans on August 25th. Batman, 1989, Batman returns 1992, returning to theaters for one-night engagement later this month exclusively at Dolby Cinema Locations. The remaster versions of both movies will play at over 160 Dolby Cinema at AMC theater locations across North America.
Starting point is 00:33:27 This marks the first time both films will be presented in Dolby Vision and Dolby Adams. I hadn't watched these films since I made them and seeing them again with this level of clarity, beauty, color, and sound for it really nice. and exciting, said Tim Burton, Delby Atmos, and Vision brought it all to life in a fresh way. So Batman, Bat Returns remain seminal films in the history of the superhero genre.
Starting point is 00:33:50 The new presentation of these films honors Tim Burton's bold creativity while showcasing out for audio and image technology have evolved. Okay, so, yeah, that was, I guess my opening note is my, my next note. Why not do this for a full weekend? Boy, don't you think that they should take a shot at that? I think Spider-Man, the Spider-Man movies did one night each leading up, and I think there's like, I don't know if this is true, but I do think there is a meaning behind scarcity. Like, if you only have it for one night,
Starting point is 00:34:23 people are more likely to make themselves go versus like, eh, it's playing all weekend, I'll catch it Sunday, and then not go at all. I think there actually is, like, maybe merit in trying it out. I'd love if there were, like, anniversary screenings, like in 2029, the 40th anniversary they do a whole weekend. But I think it's good to kind of test the waters.
Starting point is 00:34:40 It's also probably easier to book out, you know, if you've got movies coming out and stuff. But the fact they're doing this with, you know, this, they're doing a full re-release of the director's cut of Spider-Man 2, which no one's seen, like a director's cut of Spider-Man 2. Teenage Mutinyed Ninja Turtles just did want an announcement. I got an email today about Casper getting a 30th anniversary. I saw that, yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:58 So I think this is smart, man. Movie theaters need it. So I think the one night is to test the water's in also, like, make sure people go, but I would like to see more grow. So you think, though, if they do, if they're able to do good business on day one, they might re-release this again for a weekend? I think if they do good business now, though, when they have an anchor or a reason, like say Batman gets announced, then you tie it in or there's an anniversary.
Starting point is 00:35:24 I think we'll see these nights grow into more than one night. But I think right now, while they're starting to do this more commonly, they need to make sure you go that day. Like you need to make sure people actually show up. What do you think, Winston? Yeah, I think it is the limiting thing. I think probably the one little bit of fear that they got, though this was just stupid on Sony's part,
Starting point is 00:35:42 was the whole Morbiah's shit. Sorry. The re-releasing Morbius because I saw all the memes going on. And they were like, oh, they actually love this movie. So I think there's a baby bit of fear about really buying the space to put it back out there, even though this is like a beloved classic. I think Koi is on to something that they're doing it. for a night, if you make it a special event,
Starting point is 00:36:06 all of a sudden you get people clamoring and you guarantee your theater is sold out versus you put it out for a whole weekend and you get some people that are excited, some people that aren't, you know what I mean? I just wish if they were going to do that, announce it far enough in advance that, you know, I think that that's maybe how you get away with doing more nights.
Starting point is 00:36:26 You just like, hey, we're going to tell you about it two months in advance instead of two weeks. Yeah, I guess so. I just I think just one night though as fun as that is it just limits it I mean those are really big popular movies depending on when maybe just not in August maybe if you did it close for October especially with the second Batman probably would do well but hey let's see how they doing that one night and like Corey said maybe they look at the success and say all right
Starting point is 00:36:54 let's do this again and bring it back I love the Christmas movies actually played the week of Christmas so it'd be cool to see that man like returns play Christmas week and like they do die hard at like second house theaters but I'd love lethal weapon back I'd love I'd I'd think really special even like weird stuff like kiss kiss I still think on top of that some of the more cinematic shows and things like that I think they still need to like put out mandolian in theaters like that like I've been trying to get those played Winston I've been having legal stuff it's actually like they're not when they're made they're licensed differently yeah i also think there's it's it's yeah the excitement of people getting out in the theater in
Starting point is 00:37:35 general um is tough getting them to go out to the theater to pay to go see something they can watch on their tv screens like as a tv show because i mean that's like a how you're you're put a full season of mandolarian i mean that's like what how many hours is that four or five hours yeah but like stranger things with those three hour chunks would be dope like finale like that would be cool if you like the last one in the theater I hope they do something for the last one. Like the way they're releasing them in chunks, I'd be there. Oh, snap.
Starting point is 00:38:05 They're released in the Ninja Turtle, the original Ninja Turtles movie. That's what you just said. I didn't say that. No, Koi said that. Bitch. No, he didn't. Winston's back. Go back.
Starting point is 00:38:19 Coors back. Go ahead. You know why it makes so much sense that you didn't hear it? Because when he said it, I thought you were going to all here comes a big reaction from Winston. When he said that, crickets. If you were clearing out the window at your people blowing your lawn. Oh, sweet Jesus. It's sweet.
Starting point is 00:38:38 What do you guys make of this? Put your thoughts in there. Let us know in general. Batman. Are you going to go see it? 89, you can see the second one? You're going to go and check it out? Put your thoughts in there.
Starting point is 00:38:50 Let me know. Speaking of Batman, I thought this was an interesting story. Hence, why I'm going to talk about it. The Sandman Showrunner reveals that a. Batman cameo in the series finale was briefly considered. I guess there's spoilers for the Sandman. So if you didn't already know anything about Sandman, here, where is it? Let's see if I can do it. Do I have the skills?
Starting point is 00:39:11 Probably not. Skills. All right. So Sandman Showrun reveals there was a Batman cameo. Though the connections became more tenuous than the series went on. Neil Gaiman's D. Sam, it was very much set within the main DC Comics universe with appearances from the likes of Martian Manhunter, Mr. Miracle, and even Batman.
Starting point is 00:39:29 who showed up at his funeral in the wake. Interesting. Which one, the DCEU? A main DC Comics universe, sorry. A few vague references aside, the Netflix series mostly avoids any direct DC nods, but co-creator showrunner, Ellen Heimberg reveals their cameo from Batman was discussed. We talked about it. Does Robert Pattinson want to come to the funeral briefly?
Starting point is 00:39:51 We did discuss it, but only briefly. Getting Pattinson on board would probably have been a mission and a half, but they could have shown the Dark Nights Unable Count from the back because the mourners are making their way inside the palace. Speaking of Superman, the bonus episodes that's currently streaming, death, the high cost of living, include several blatant references to the man of steel, who is ex-in's favorite comic hero. Okay.
Starting point is 00:40:12 So would this have been a good move for, I mean, I think the answer is obviously. It would have brought more eyes to that show, but I guess there's the better move, Winston, would this have been a good move for Matt Reeves and Pattinson to put him in there, I don't think it would have done anything. I think it would have been bigger for Sandman. Right. But I don't, but I don't know. There was all the drama with Sandman and why it was canceled in the first place.
Starting point is 00:40:41 I think that that would have just been a PR move to try and people that they may be lost to kind of circle back around. So I don't, I don't think that this would have really done anything all that special per se. But I mean, it's still cool. Like, let me clarify even for. the earlier comments about Spider-Man it's still cool to see the crossover stuff happen it's just you don't want to make the entirety of it that way so seeing Batman show up would have been dope but it's not okay what about you coy what do you think i think it would have been confusing for everyday audiences because as it is sandman is a vertigo comic which is yes DC but when you see those characters
Starting point is 00:41:20 starts to cross over a lot of people are removed from the tone and the specificity of that world I really like Watchmen And then when they brought Watchmen into the DC Comics universe I was a little alienated at first And I think that would have happened But on a bigger scale with like a watchful Netflix audience So I kind of am okay with them not I think it would have been good for ratings
Starting point is 00:41:43 But unless they're going to start doing a lot of that ethereal Very broad, heady stuff In mainstream Cape stuff I don't know if that would work for audiences Yeah, I agree with both you guys. I think that it's, and I agree exactly what Winston said. It would have been great for Sandman. Probably people would have tuned in and maybe if you're DC and you say, hey, can we get Pattinson just to go to the funeral and that's it?
Starting point is 00:42:08 Get some eyes on this thing. But it would have blown my mind as a nerd. I just think it would have been like an alienating thing for most people. Probably. Anyway, what do you guys think? You agree with that? Disagree with that? Put your thoughts in there.
Starting point is 00:42:20 Let us know. Superman. James Gunn teases Superman sequel. That is not Superman 2. Ways in on toxic fans following the San Diego Comic-Con threats. So let's go with this one. Here is, despite seemingly confirming plans for Superman sequel, James Gunn has reiterated that his next project will simply put the man of steel front and center.
Starting point is 00:42:44 He's also weighed in on toxic fandoms. Josh Wallowing writes, yesterday, DC Studios, James Gunn seemingly confirmed that he's developing a Superman sequel. The movie has become the Man of Steel's first solo outing to pass 300 million at the U.S. box office and recently surpassed 500 million wide. A sequel would make sense them, but just as fans are starting to get excited, the filmmaker clarified that he was referring to the next movie he's writing that will see Superman play a big role in the story, but isn't Superman too. This is the same movie, he told a fan on thread. Superman has a major role. It's not Superman too. He later added it to Ways Off and somewhat muddled the waters by sharing his
Starting point is 00:43:19 definition of a direct sequel. I'm not sure how you define direct sequel. I pretty much think a peacemaker season two as a direct sequel. Gunn has seemingly shot down the idea that will be being a world's finest team up with the Batman and with Supergirl said to swoop into theaters next summer. It's hard to say what the Kryptonian's next DCU project will be. Superman versus the authority has been mentioned online suggesting Gunn can make a Guardians the Galaxy style ensemble with the man at tomorrow front and center. If that is the plan, it's likely based on Grant Morrison's Superman and the Authority comic book series. This is now the,
Starting point is 00:43:52 you see this. Well, this could, you can see why it's getting confusing because very solid advice, James now Superman is out. Press tour is finished. Do you have any time to relax? He said, Peacemaker Press and then sequel writing. So you can see where traditionally people would think, oh, you're doing a sequel. We talked about this yesterday.
Starting point is 00:44:09 And he said, when are you going to tease a sequel, I just did. So right there, you're, I think it's, it seems like you're making a sequel. And then he says, yes, sorry, this is the same movie Superman's a major role. It's not Superman too. Then he clarifies it, obviously. So yesterday, I talked about this with Steph, because Steph thought that maybe it would be direct sequel.
Starting point is 00:44:30 And I said, I don't know. And he is the same freaking movie that he was talking about. I just think that you can still do that and put Superman front and center and essentially what he said. Because with super, you just have to continue the events of what happened in Superman. it's going to address heavily on what's happened in that movie, but it's not going to be a Superman story. Superman will be in it.
Starting point is 00:44:58 He'll be leading it. He'll be doing whatever the charge, but it's not going to be focused on like him and his family and all that. It's him and an adventure. So that's why you can kind of see the sequel. But, Corey, you hear this, the authority type rumor. Is that something that carries some weight, or do you think it was something different?
Starting point is 00:45:16 I don't think it's going to be the authority because that's the one they keep expressing having the most difficulty with. They've made it pretty clear the authority's not as fast-tracked. So I don't think it'll tie that way. But I do think we met a lot of characters that have their own arcs and comics. And I think that's the direction. I think it's someone we met in the movie and a team-up movie. I think that's a smarter way to go than leaping to world's finest. I think that's a smarter way to go than leaping to Justice League.
Starting point is 00:45:43 But the question is like what tone is it going to be? I think it's a really cool thing. You've got David Kornswet as a relative unknown before the movie. Because, I mean, his schedule isn't crazy. So, like, you can do another movie with whoever the next person is going to be with David Kornswet. So I think it's a fun way to build a universe. I think, you know, the X-Men universe very much focused on Hugh Jackman, Wolverine, and then built out around it and, like, had a lot of other characters. And I think we look at shared universes now and think of, like, the weight of everything.
Starting point is 00:46:13 but we've done this sort of thing before in different ways. So I'm really curious how the DCU wants to choose to go because there are other paths. And Peacemaker's Season 2 he's describing as a direct sequel. So where are we at the end of this year? Right. Because like when that show ends, what does that mean for our next step?
Starting point is 00:46:31 Sure. Winston? Yeah. I kind of just want, I would love for James, as you have said, to just get off a social media for a little bit. I would love for him to just go be an exec.
Starting point is 00:46:46 It doesn't mean that I don't love his interaction. I genuinely do. But I think I have said this over and over and over again. I really wish that studios would stop giving me their five and 10 year plan and just let me focus on the next two to three years. You know what I mean? Just because then there's a lot of promises. And I know there's been back and forth. I was reporting earlier from comic book movie that the authority is done, that they're done with it.
Starting point is 00:47:15 I don't know if that means now he's bringing it back in. I don't know. I would just rather be like, cool, Lanyards is coming, Supergirl is coming, and we know the Brave and the Bold is finally good to go. Great. Let's focus on that for the time being instead of spinning me up about all this other stuff, especially because there is plenty to already be excited about. It's not like we're devoid of things to get us hyped up. And so I guess that's just where I get a little frustrated is I'm like, you good. go right to your heart's content.
Starting point is 00:47:44 Don't, you don't always have to engage in this kind of stuff. There's other, there's other things that you can engage with that I think would still get people hype. So, but that's just my two cents. I agree. I think he's on social media a little bit too much. And I think that even some of the stuff that he says, he got to go back and kind of retcon some of the things that he says.
Starting point is 00:48:04 And like, and I kept getting comments, me like, how do you don't understand you wrestling guy? You don't understand the, uh, the cannon stuff? No, the canon stuff was so confusing what he was saying. He's like, well, you know, the stuff that you put in the previously on and then certain things that they mention. But if they mention, if they mention something that happens in the suicide squad, then that essentially means all of the suicide squad if those events happen. If they make the Rick Flagg Jr. dying cannon and that peacemaker killed him,
Starting point is 00:48:35 well, then that is all tied in to the suicide squad, which means that that entire thing happened. which also means that Margot Robbie is Harley Quinn. And it means that all that other stuff that happened, Will Smith, that was also canon because it ties in to that movie, which was mentioned, one thing was mentioned, which means all of that happened, which means everything is canon. So it's confusing.
Starting point is 00:49:01 You can't just say, well, if they mention it in a scene, well, then that's the thing that's canon. But I think what we're going to get, because we've already speculated with Peacemaker, about him using one of the helmets to Dimension Hop, I think that that is how we, that will be explained. I have enough faith in that that like,
Starting point is 00:49:20 Gun has too much respect for the, you know, the storytelling in comics and all that. He wouldn't be the, you know, the co-CEO of DC Studios if he didn't. I think he will address all of that, and that's the part we have to be patient.
Starting point is 00:49:34 But that's also why I'm kind of like, announce stuff as we need to announce it. That's why, because then there is too much going off. And I think the other thing that can get kind of crappy about that is the more you build that up, you just leave more room for people to be disappointed if it doesn't go out the way that you were kind of laying it out in the first place. I agree.
Starting point is 00:49:54 Coy, when it comes to the canon stuff, though, man, like, do you understand what I'm saying, though, like how it could be a bit confusing to,
Starting point is 00:50:01 like, especially not even something like me, but like just a person in general who's like, wait, so that stuff isn't kind of tied in? How does that work? I think it's tricky for me because I was raised on comic books. And in comic books, when you have a new writer, the writer kind of goes like, this is what I want to keep.
Starting point is 00:50:19 This is what I want to get rid of. And they do that. Like I'm used to narratives being, and I've described it as like a party, right? Like if I'm at a party and there's 100 people at a party and I have a conversation with someone and then they go off and do their own thing. And then later on we talk about the party, they had a different experience. So my canon and their canon's different. And that's how I read comics is if a writer wants to use certain. elements they can but like i think bone claws are the dumbest thing ever like bone claws are dumb i don't
Starting point is 00:50:46 consider wolverine as having bone claws some writers do some writers don't so like i see the way that james is doing this as very comicy um but i've said before like some things work in certain mediums uh i don't think iron man being dr doom is going to appeal to people the same way as like a multiversal character in a comic book. So I'm curious about how that's going to translate to film, just like with this. I'm curious how this will translate by doing a very comic thing. So I can completely understand where you're coming from, but where I have experienced canon events, like this totally makes sense to me. But if someone said it doesn't make sense to them, I won't judge them for it. I just go like, okay, but to me, it's comics. Okay. I mean, fair enough. I just think that that's hard to do when you're
Starting point is 00:51:34 running a, you know, movie, you're not running comics. Like I said, I haven't, I haven't had the experience yet of what Peacemaker does with the day-to-day audience. Like, we don't know how that's going to apply. And then I'm curious how people feel, but until the day-to-day audience feels that, I don't know. So let's say you're a peacemaker, a casual fan and you just like Peacemaker, right? So let's say you just watch Peacemaker season one.
Starting point is 00:51:59 That's all you really know of this. You loved it. Can't wait for season two to come back. Season two comes back. And then they make reference to, because they've already said, they're making reference to the fact that Rick Flagg Sr. is going to be pissed off about Rick Flagg Jr. So as a viewer now, you're like, oh, well, I want to see that moment.
Starting point is 00:52:13 And then you go back and you watch it and you assume that everything that just happened in that movie is now officially part of this whole DCU. Wouldn't you assume that, you know, Idriselba and Margo Robbie are part of this universe now, too? I'm not talking about you. I'm not talking about the people in the comments. like oh it's not that difficult i'm talking about the casual viewer who just turns in and goes oh well that's what they're talking about that makes sense i i definitely think that is a thing will that will happen but i i think we aren't making the movies um as much for the casual viewer anymore
Starting point is 00:52:49 which is why we can go so comicky visually and totally and like if we're if we can limit the budget and make it for the people that are rider dies and we can make it more like comics then maybe that's a benefit of not trying to make it for everyone well you guys Winston, go ahead. I was just going to say, Coy has a little bit of a point in that that was one of the one complaints that people had about Superman being like, yo, if you're a comic fan, you're going to love this.
Starting point is 00:53:10 They're like, we'll see how regular people take it. I mean, it crossed 500, oh, it crossed 300 million here in the states alone. So that's not, but again, well, there's two, hold on, two different things what you're saying here. Because Coy just said, you've got to be able to make it for the fans, you've got to bring down the budgets, you got to do that stuff.
Starting point is 00:53:29 Superman and Fantastic Four did not do that. No, no, I understand that. They crossed 500 million. That's fine. I'm focusing more on what Koi was saying about the idea of it being very comicky. Right. But had it not been comedy, had it not been just for comic fans, it could have crossed over more, no. But Winston's saying that we have enough comic fans now that we can, like, right, like, Winston, I think, like, we have, it's a bigger.
Starting point is 00:53:51 It's a bigger. It's a bigger. Yeah, the base is bigger. I also think the more broad you make something, the less good it tends to be. Like, if you make something for everyone, it's for no one. because it's just slop. And I think that if you make things that are specific, you tend to get more people to find that.
Starting point is 00:54:09 I have a tendency to agree with that. There's this idea as well that if you try and stay in the middle, if you try and be everybody's best friend, then you end up with like no friends because you're not, you don't really put the time, the energy, the effort. Yeah, but that's a different. That's a, you guys have time. But you could say the same thing with, with art, with music,
Starting point is 00:54:32 with TV shows with movies is that you want to make your sound specific to the audience you're really trying to hit like I understand what four movies are obviously and you want you trying to make money but but that that that's all I think like for example you know both I think you can I think you can I think you can make a movie that you know you are really going towards hardcore fans and giving them some stuff that they just love and put in there and then you can also not lose other fans who feel like oh that was just a good solid movie and a lot of the references don't go over your heads and you're just like if you're not i think you can do both without just playing you know in the middle you could make i don't think i don't think it's one or the other i just
Starting point is 00:55:10 i just don't agree with that i think when you trust your audience like it like fantastic four did and superman did and and like valued the audience versus making something that's for everyone like cap four then cap four had nothing to say and it felt i don't disagree with that i don't that's what i'm speaking to is like i think letting the audience find your film sometimes is a benefit and i think if you're building universe. Sure. But we haven't seen peacemakers, so we don't know how that's going to go. You know what it is?
Starting point is 00:55:37 Here's an example of two is that I think you just said it with both Fantastic Four and Superman. I think Fantastic Four and Superman, both did the same thing where they really made it for the comic book audience in the way, because there were so many Kirby and Lee, like references and homages and all that stuff. I just think Fantastic Four did a little bit more subtle to the audience where it didn't feel like it's just exclusive to the comic book audience, I guess maybe, is why. So I think you can still do that without making it so, well, it's just, that's just who it's for.
Starting point is 00:56:11 And I don't think they should ever go like, this is only for comic fans. But then I, maybe that's what it sounds like I was saying. But I do think you should make something that is aiming at a target demographic. And we are more comic-y than ever. And that makes it more digestible to do canon events and densers. Okay. So that is an argument that I've always made. and agree with that what you should,
Starting point is 00:56:34 and I make this argument for Star Wars, right? You can take this stuff that really resonated to the core fan base, right? Make that and expand, like Last of Us did, season one. And all the people who played that game loved it because that's what got them hooked on it while they were playing the game. And then they essentially did that and expanded on it for a wider audience. You didn't have to play the game and you still got it. they made it for the core audience and they responded to that and they expanded on it.
Starting point is 00:57:07 It's a question is, can you expand on it? And I always say that with Star Wars. It's like, okay, let's take that hardcore thing that people really liked, make it for the audience that loved it, but then catch a wider audience with that net. And I think that's just kind of the difference of what we're saying. It's like, okay, because Superman expanded a little bit, it didn't get that huge net. It got to like 500. It hit that hardcore and I agree with you guys.
Starting point is 00:57:33 The comic book audience has grown and it hit that audience and same with Fantastic Four too. They didn't do phenomenal. It did fine. They both have just, they just went like here. They stretched out a little bit and then it's just going to kind of teeter off. It didn't like explode like Deadpool Wolverine.
Starting point is 00:57:48 That's a movie that expanded everywhere. Expanded everywhere, not just for the hardcore audience. But I think that that that's not fair only in the sense that you got to remember similar to Spider-Man No Way Home, you had a built-in 20 years of a send-off type thing that also kind of pushed it over the edge. Yeah, it's 100%. So, but that's the only thing about, about hitting a net that wide. It's not to say that they weren't. Do you hit it with an audience in that net net? You just kind of proved the point to be honest with you, because you have, you have Hugh Jackman who expanded his
Starting point is 00:58:23 audience through years of people who weren't even following the MCU through X-Men and other things and here's a hardcore character so if you weren't following it you just want to see him as wolverine you just liked them you're just paying a ticket to see it it expanded that that much i get i get what you're saying but i'm saying that that's that you just mentioned about sustainability that's not sustainable because that was specifically building off of nostalgia and closing out 20 plus years i'm not saying it's sustainability for that for that i thought that that was the whole point of this conversation is that we want to make sure that comical movies as a whole are doing things that sustainably continue to I don't know what you're in general how you do it.
Starting point is 00:59:01 If you state to, if you don't try to expand to get everyone in general, is what I'm saying. It is harder to get more people to buy tickets, is what I'm saying. No, no, no. I get that. I guess that's the other thing is that since the one thing that then becomes tricky to compare a Deadpool and Wolverine and Spider-Man to a Superman and a Fantastic Four is the fact that one is starting, one is ending, and one is ending because I am playing on your heartstrings from, hey, Toby's, in this one versus, hey, I'm setting a whole brand new thing up. Do you know who David Cornswood is? You don't, but you learn.
Starting point is 00:59:36 That's the only thing that they're kind of hard to compare each other. Yeah, Superman, Superman, but we can go round and round and round. Either way, what do you guys make of all of it? Put your thoughts in there. Let us know. I guess we can just, I mean, we're, yeah, I'm going to talk about what fantastic for on Superman, maybe we've kind of covered it inside of that. But put your thoughts in there, guys, let us know.
Starting point is 00:59:58 okay we have right now 51 going into the questions got to hit 134 to win i think you guys are in good shape it's a good start to go into it but before we do winsome what's going on on the channel man yeah um you can find me at the swaggy blurred youtube.com slash swaggy bird twitch tv slash the swaggy blurred um let's see i've had had what my fantastic four stuff up there i've been streaming over there we do got blurred breakdown back um which has all been going well i'm working on my next video i say for you guys, which I'm pretty excited about. So just come and check all that stuff out and, you know, say what's up. Corey Jandro.
Starting point is 01:00:35 This is my fifth video in the last 24 hours. I've got a DC high volume Batman episode interviewing Jeff Loeb, writer of Long Halloween, as well as the voice of Catwoman. And a lot of incredible people over in DC high volume, that's on DC's YouTube. Had a new episode of DC Studio Showcase Drop, which I shot at Comic-Con like five days ago over on HBO and HBO's YouTube. you can check out my own eyes of Oconda review. Full spoiler, so watch it first on my page. You can check out my reaction on Real Rejects and then a little review
Starting point is 01:01:02 and then obviously joining you guys here. So check out my YouTube. We passed 50K. It happened. I'm going to be doing a 50 comic giveaway as soon as I'm back in action. So YouTube, Coy, Jondro, all the stuff. Incredible. So there you go.
Starting point is 01:01:16 Check out the guys. As we see if we can get them a win here on their first show back together. Winston won last week without court. Can he do it again with court? Nathan Drake. Corey, you got me hype for one night season. The global tour has begun.
Starting point is 01:01:31 Hire me, Marvel. Perfect. That was such a hilarious video. I was like, I was like, what the hell is he talking about? My reliable source is no longer reliable.
Starting point is 01:01:40 No, he blew it. Mark Long, happy Friday. I would be listening tonight on my night shift, have a good weekend. Thank you for doing so.
Starting point is 01:01:46 For people who don't know, Spotify numbers have been going up tremendously. And we're, that's because every time I'm out and they're like, you do podcasts? I was like, yeah, the biggest one is capes and cows like, oh, where? And then they hear they immediately Spotify, pull it up, man.
Starting point is 01:02:00 So I'm out in the streets. I'm the street team. I heard lend them know. It's working. So David Check, Khoff. I watched F1 last night and I loved it. So it's still my number one also. Best movie the summer for me.
Starting point is 01:02:13 Maybe because I had no expectations going in versus fantastic. Man, world, I'll tell you, naked gun is probably my is up there too for me. I cannot wait. Is it that good? hilarious. I have heard. I have heard nothing. good things. I have a lot of work
Starting point is 01:02:26 to do tonight, but Paul's great. Yeah, he's great. We talked Shmo down on the Fantastic Four carpet. Did you? Do you have footage of that? Uh, I want to see it. The Hustra reporter was filming, but I'll see if they'll give me the wrong. Yeah, I love to see that. Um, so yeah, he was great. He was also good and Fantastic Four, by the way.
Starting point is 01:02:46 Dude, he's the best. I love that. He's a great guy. So anyway, um, yeah, the Fantastic Four, but, but that's, I don't know if that's, going to be the top 10 right now but i'll tell you top 10 definitely are f1 uh sinners and naked gun those are those are definitely in my top 10 right now those those three uh but we'll see there's a lot there's a lot of movies how are you superman ff fantastic four over superman over superman yeah superman i thought was fun i thought it was a lot of fun i enjoyed it a lot um i just thought i was more engaged and which is crazy because you've heard me talking all summer how much like yeah or all last year how superman is my number one most anticipated
Starting point is 01:03:24 bit and can't wait. I was just more locked in with the characters. There's like there's it was it was exactly what gun promised it to be in Superman. Um, it just lost me sometimes of some of the goof stuff, but, um, but it's Fantastic Four. I was not, I just have not liked, but I really cared about Fantastic Four and I want to really caring about them and the visuals are out of control. It's stunning visually. Like, yeah, I, I had a really good. I was so happy that Fantastic Four was as good as it was after Superman. I forget, Winston, you said, it's Fantastic Four Superman for you? Fantastic for Superman right now.
Starting point is 01:03:55 And you're Superman Fantastic Four, obviously. Yeah, but I, and I liked FF more than I expected, but the things I was worried about were still true. I still have the problems that I thought I would with Fantastic Four, but it was better as a movie than I expected. And my other thing, too, is I have said I actually want to go back now since we're done with superhero movies for the year. I want to go back and watch all four and then really like sit on it.
Starting point is 01:04:17 Yeah, same, same. Because I was going to say is because there's, there is a world where I think my ending ranking right now, I would say is probably Thunderbolts, Fantastic Four Superman, Brave New World. But I want to watch. So I'm on the same page. I want to watch, although right now, and I think it's, and I've said this, I think it's recently biased.
Starting point is 01:04:38 I have Fantastic Four Thunderbolts, Superman, Captain America, but I could easily watch Thunderbolts and Fantastic Four again and Flipflop those two. I'm Superman Fantastic Four, which I didn't expect Thunderbolts. Captain America. So I want to rewatch, but I want to watch a few non-superhero movies. And then I want to do the Super Jurassic Fantastic Day and like gauge the whole tone. You're going to watch Jurassic again? Dude, I still haven't seen it. Seven hours as a 12 year old.
Starting point is 01:05:06 I like, what, what better day for your inner child than Jurassic Park and Superman and finesse? That's the best. Dinosaurs Marvel and DC in one day. You've seen Jurassic World. I have. And it's not going to make my top 10. But I want to mind it.
Starting point is 01:05:21 Oh, you didn't mind it. I didn't find it. I have fun. I didn't despise it like everyone else. I just don't think it's good. We have to agree, though. The Snickers scene is one of the most ridiculous and stupid scenes that I've ever been in a movie. There are multiple scenes where I went,
Starting point is 01:05:36 huh? Like how writers and people like filmed it, but when I left the movie, I was like dinosaurs. And that was what I wanted. So bad. Matt W. Theory. Doom has taken over Tony's body after death and the face scarring is actually the burns from the Infinity Stones. Oh, that part, the
Starting point is 01:05:52 The second part is new, but the first part we've been talking about on the show for the last two weeks. Because I saw the new rock stars kind of post something about this coin and said essentially that, I think we talked about last week, Winston, that Tony, you know, Doom took over Tony's body. My perfect day has sand, salt, water, and friends. But my moderate to severe plaques psoriasis can take me out of the moment. Now I'm all in with clearer skin thanks to Sky Rizzi. Rizzen Kizum at Rizza, a prescription only 150 milligram injection for a
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Starting point is 01:07:22 sounds a little confusing one way or the other, but he just takes advantage of the fact that people think he's Tony Stark when he shows up versus him actually being anything related to Tony Stark. Well, I think because in the comics court, isn't there like a thing where he takes over people's bodies? There is a comic where it's actually doom in the body of. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:43 And I'm curious if they try to play with that, but it's a different, it's a different use, but maybe. Okay. We'll see. As far as the burns on the infinity stones, well, the problem is that the burns,
Starting point is 01:07:52 in the Infinity Stones. It wasn't just the burning. He died. He looked dead. His whole body got fried. Yeah, but he got told you can rest. We're good. It wasn't even the fact that it was fried. It was the color was taken out of his body. Like when you see him in that scene, you know, we're looking like, oh, that's, that's not someone who could bounce back from this. He's, he's gone. I remember being in the theater going, oh, look at his feet. He's like drained of life. Also in the comics when they had the doom in Iron Man's body, it was a swap and it was a buddy thing.
Starting point is 01:08:22 They were college roommates. It was a joke. So this isn't like that, you know? Like it's not going to use that way. No, curious. Like, Freaky Friday. Freaky Friday. Yeah, like, don't do Freaky Friday, Tomb Iron Man.
Starting point is 01:08:33 I'm doing, I'm so excited about that. I'm doing a double feature on Monday. So at 4 o'clock, I'm going to see weapons, which I just saw. The director of that movie also did Barbarian, which I just watched yesterday. Go on, man. It's a crazy movie. I like Barbarians a lot. That's a, it's a crazy movie.
Starting point is 01:08:51 crazy movie. I still haven't seen Barbarian. I'm terrified to do it. I don't think you, it's not really scary. It's just creepy and weird. It just takes left turns for two hours. Yeah, it's,
Starting point is 01:09:03 it's not like, I mean, there's some creepy, there's a couple of creepy things that happen that you might get like a jump scare from, but like it's, it's creepy. Let me ask,
Starting point is 01:09:11 because I can't remember. You guys have seen midsummer. I have not. Neither of you have. Okay, because I was going to ask, because everybody can be, this is terrifying.
Starting point is 01:09:18 This is terrifying. And I think I said it on the show, I was like, it was not terrifying. at all if I'm a white person that's going to go backpacking and just say yes to every single person that invites me to go do shrooms with them yeah that's probably scary or midsummer from what I hear if you saw midsummer and it didn't bother you you you can you could it'll be like uh watching a Pixar movie watching barbarian really all right I'll watch it today then I literally was like
Starting point is 01:09:40 everybody's like no bro no bro and I was like I don't watch horror movies and I had fun with it no you know what it is it was more like intense kind of for a while like what's going on and then when you find out what's going on you're like what what the hell's happening? Then it just like throws you around. Like it's just like you feel like you're in a washing machine. You're like bouncing back and forth. Like,
Starting point is 01:09:58 and then you come in and like it stops for a second. You're like, oh, okay. I'm fine. I'm on it. And you're like, holy shit. By the time you get to the end of it, you're like,
Starting point is 01:10:05 wow, that was some cycle. But yeah, no, I, midsummer is good. I just, it's not the way people were talking about this is the scariest thing I've
Starting point is 01:10:13 ever seen. I'm like, no, it's not. It really is it. I heard talk to me is really scary. Oh, really?
Starting point is 01:10:19 Yeah. Boom or bust. Favorite broke struggle meal, ramen and hot dogs for me. I think pizza slice is always the easiest. But I also think, this is why I say, they're not even a sponsor right now,
Starting point is 01:10:31 but I tell you a factor. Factor, you just get a whole bunch of factor and you have them just ready to go. And it's good. Ramen's a go-to. And like, mac and cheese,
Starting point is 01:10:42 pizza. Yeah, there's nothing. I'm not breaking the mold. Yeah. Well, you guys listed everything. Everything, right? Other than that, dino nuggies from Costco, the cheap and delicious. I do love dinnuggets.
Starting point is 01:10:55 Dino nuggies from Costco go hard. Connor Mullis, good googly-mugly. It's corky and Wilson. Good, googly-moogly-moogly is corky and Wilson. Tim, will Disney be satisfied with a 550 box office for Fantastic Four? So I don't know if this was you that asked us the other day, Tim, but I mean, satisfied, I think satisfied is okay. We made our money back.
Starting point is 01:11:19 and people are at least those people are similar to what Winston and Corey were talking about before. The interested audience was interested enough to come see it. And now they want to see our next movie. And hopefully those people will build on that regular audience and then doomsday will be popular. So in a certain aspect, I think they'll be satisfied, but I don't know if happy is the right word, but satisfied. Yeah, sure. Corey, do you agree, disagree? I think 550 is a good new number.
Starting point is 01:11:47 Like in the post, you know, kind of a pandemic strike era of movies, I think billion movies are going to be more and more rare. I think we're only going to see billion dollars with kids movies and events like Oppenheimer. I don't think the superhero experience is as must see as it was pre-Oppenheimer. So I think 550 is probably a good number, but I think we need to adjust our budgets and our expectations, so that we can make things to hit that 500 mark. If we're gonna, if we're gonna reboot stuff, then literally reboot everything. So like, and I don't necessarily mean that we need to fully give it all the. I'm just saying like reboot our expectations for the box office, reboot our budgets, all of that.
Starting point is 01:12:33 That that needs to be a thought process that people are going through as we move forward. And get rid of movies coming out 20 days after they hit theaters because they're never, we're never gonna hit numbers if that keeps up. I think they stopped doing that more. So it's like 45 now. Yeah, there were we're inching. I'm just saying that's a key part of the box office. Connor Mullis, should I name my dog F1? You asked it yesterday.
Starting point is 01:12:52 F-14 Tom, cut, a Robocop. I say Robocop. Robocop. Yeah. Yeah. Kenneth Colton, I always forget to use these happy, to use these, Happy Friday gentlemen.
Starting point is 01:13:02 Yeah, I mean, it's one of the things for members. By the way, we had a great member stream the other day. I mean, I, I had a whole, because I wanted to ask the audience what they thought about what we shoot for the Kickstarter. It's great ideas, really great ideas. So it was a good, conversation in general. So use those.
Starting point is 01:13:19 Always use those. For people who remember, you get a free super chat. So once a month. Sean McCabe, happy Spider-Man Day. Queens represent. Hell yet. Port. Dude, Queens was like underwater. It was, there was the train station that it used to use for when I was a kid. We had like a massive rain here yesterday.
Starting point is 01:13:38 Yesterday. And it was, some of the footage of like the train station I used to go to on Bell Boulevard, it was like, it looked like a river. It's crazy. But you didn't you, I mean, you missed the tsunami over here, man. No, but did you get, did you get hit with, you guys get hit with any? There was, there was something that there was some like flooding happening off the coast, but it wasn't, like, obviously it was terrifying. I guess it was one of the largest recorded earthquakes in the crazy history, but we, we ended up being fine.
Starting point is 01:14:06 Thank God. Yeah. P. Shue says, Moon Knight says, the goon haunch you. That's right. That's, that's a very specific. I think that's directed at me because when I yelled, when I yelled the moon haunts you, that's from Marvel Rivals.
Starting point is 01:14:24 So I think someone was making the reference to how much gooning goes on in Marvel Rival. 100% missing score 44. I recently rewatched Ironheart. I feel like her AI was never there. And it was that guy the whole time. He said he was watching Rui and looking for someone more appreciative than Hood. I don't think so. I think that that would take away from.
Starting point is 01:14:46 from how smart she was. And they would take away from what she was able to accomplish by creating that. So I don't think that was the case. I mean, I guess you could be right, but I don't know. Winston, do you think that could have happened? The only reason why I'll give a baby bit of credence to that is I am thinking about Spider-Man one more day and the idea that the entire time Peter is actually talking to his future child.
Starting point is 01:15:13 and Mephisto essentially tricks Peter into giving up his child as well as his marriage to MJ for the whole sake of the story. So it's possible, but I agree with you. The better storytelling, in my opinion, is what it was at face value. She invented this AI and went sideways. She still wasn't over her grief and you end up where you end up. Agreed. Alan Smithy. What up, Christian?
Starting point is 01:15:39 I'm back. Also loved the windy city heat reference. So I knew Don Barris very well, so I got a chance to go to the premiere that thing. I've told the story about Blue Iris doing the oral on stage at 2 in the morning. It was too scary Perry, and it was nuts. But I quoted it the other day with Bobcat and act. Love the gag where Bobcat is a megaphone,
Starting point is 01:16:07 but only uses it when the person is right next to him. Hilarious film. Have you guys ever seen Wendy City Heat? Oh my God. Coy, that one I feel like you'd love. Okay. But I feel like you would love that one.
Starting point is 01:16:18 It's hilarious and it was, it's like, yeah, I don't want to give, I don't want to give away. I'm seeing this final tab at Hollywood Forever and I'm so excited. Oh, nice,
Starting point is 01:16:28 dude. I've never seen the first one. I know, no, they're playing the first one at Hollywood Forever Cemetery. Have you seen the first one? Yeah, yeah,
Starting point is 01:16:34 it's amazing. You've never seen, you do it. I think you'd love. That's what people's like, see, I don't care how nerdy it might be, but it made me a little teary,
Starting point is 01:16:41 seeing how perfect the new suit looks that's awesome be nerdy this is case and people people were crying when they saw wolverine suit you should be as nerdy as you want to be man i've been people ask every once in a while like what stuff you should i'd be lying if i didn't say that i i teared up uh during that jami lee curtis and uh jeremy allen white scene in the bear season four like so it was so good i called my wife back in she doesn't watch the show but i called her and said you got to watch the scene and i watched it again i teared up again for watching it was just it was it was so good um she's phenomenal she really should get nominated again for that scene alan smithy also sup winston coy happy spider-man day no thank you allan
Starting point is 01:17:22 john darius question with jake shriars recent comments on wanting a younger new look for x-men do you think cyclops storm jean will involve will be involved or new team entirely i'm a bit worried also excited they'd be stupid to get a new team entirely of like people that people don't know they should absolutely do the normal characters, but make them young. It's fine. I think we might see some characters as professors, but I think we're going to get like X-Men we know. I think they need the money.
Starting point is 01:17:53 They need the characters that are known. We agreed. John Darius, I think including Fox's X-Men and Doomsday, ruins the hype for the rebooted film. I think having them off-screen until we see the MCU version of the team would have built up much more hype thoughts. That's always hard for me to say because I haven't seen the movie yet.
Starting point is 01:18:15 If I could see the movie and feel that way, I could see that movie and not feel that way. So Winston, I don't know. How do you feel about it? I don't know if I necessarily agree. I mean, I sort of agree because I feel like we kind of already got sendoffs between Logan and Deadpool and Wolverine. So there's a level of like not necessarily needing to tread back down this. But if we're doing a final erasure, goodbye, all that, and then I would rather just wait and see what they have cooking up instead of, you know, writing it off.
Starting point is 01:18:46 I think if you see a giant universe end and you're missing the X-Men, it's going to feel like you're missing them now that we have tied them in because of, you know, Wolverine and Deadpool and all those things. I think it's going to work because it's going to remind people how much they love the X-Men, like X-Men 97 did, but it's going to be them a lot older. Like time has passed in real life as well. So seeing them at a certain age and say goodbye, I think just warms us up for the young era.
Starting point is 01:19:09 Agreed. John falls up. I said, sorry for all the X-Men questions. Just been excited for this team. Shouldn't be sorry at all. Everybody's excited for this team. When do you think we'll get official casting after Doomsday release or early 2026? What are your hopes for the reboot overall?
Starting point is 01:19:22 I think before Doomstay we're going to start. You're already getting rumors of people getting cast. I think it'll be before Doomsday, but what do you guys think? I think they should have a giant Hallage panel and bring out the X-Men and get some light. I think Marvel could use the biggest tall age of their life. And especially with Doomsday coming out, right? And especially with Doomsday being in November, bring out the X-Men in July.
Starting point is 01:19:47 Are you good idea? What do you think, Winston? You think they're going to do before or Comic-Con? I think it depends because it sounds, I guess the question is, is Comic-Con going to return to form? Like, if it's going to continue to kind of move towards the comic focus that Koi has been talking about or if they really are going to go back because it sounds like
Starting point is 01:20:09 every single one of them have kind of held up for their own little events at this point, you know? I think that, but last year they did it and they got, I have about it. I don't think they had enough to promote the show. Marvel, Marvel still owns Comic-Con pretty well. I think that they will do a big thing next year for sure. I don't, I think they should do it at D-23. If I was them, I would, I don't understand why they don't do it at D-23 and hype up their own
Starting point is 01:20:31 event as opposed to giving it to San Diego Comic-Con. I think that they would get more people out there, sell more tickets to D23 if they did that. I never understood why they would do that. But who knows? Gig load stars. I instigate my friend that Blade is coming to Marvel rivals before he even has a movie. I love seeing him rage about it to the point that he has rants. I guess he's a big.
Starting point is 01:20:53 He's a big, uh, Blade guy. Yeah. Every mother, some mother ever is always trying to ice skate uphill, man. Why did, um, why did Faggy say that? Fikey said again that they're still doing a blade movie and they're still doing with Merhershal Ali, it's like, Marcia Ali's going to be like 80 years old by the time they do it.
Starting point is 01:21:09 But this is, this is kind of my point of like stop announcing things. Right. Until they're actually a thing. Yeah, just say we don't know where it is right now. We don't know what it is. We'd love to do it with them, but we don't know where we're going to be.
Starting point is 01:21:19 We have no reports that it was still happening. And three days later, we got a report from Variety saying that like there's no rush for blade or Deadpool. Right. Right. So, you know, the no rush. We talked about this yesterday.
Starting point is 01:21:30 The No Rush for Deadpool is clearly because let's hold back on Ryan Reynolds. Right now we'll put him in Avengers. We'll put him in, you know, that stuff. And he can have appearances, but a full movie with him right now with all this shit he's got going on right now. Let's just focus in on everything else because we don't know where that mess is going. So let's leave it alone. I think right. And you have other movies that can potentially do really well.
Starting point is 01:21:51 So I think it's a portion of it. Do I think it's the only reason? No. But there's a portion. Missing score 44. X23 is my favorite character. but I feel like none of her stories get big. Do you think guys it was a mistake or good thing?
Starting point is 01:22:03 She took the Wolverine mantle. Is that in the comics? Yeah. Go ahead, Corey. I was just going to say, I think some of her stories get big for the niche that is a legacy character. Most legacy characters don't get as big as Miles Morales. Most legacy characters aren't the, like, the headliner that Miles became, and that's
Starting point is 01:22:21 why he's such a unique character. But I think some of her stories are really personal and great. I think Tom Taylor's run got really big. I don't think she gets as big as Logan. but I think it was a really cool way to pass the mantle, and I think they both have their place in comics. Okay. Next one after that.
Starting point is 01:22:39 Armada, we need a Photoshop of Mike's face on a banana split. Why? I don't think I understand that reference. Me either. There's something yesterday that I missed. I'm not sure. What number are we at? Speaking of Mike.
Starting point is 01:22:51 68. Whoa. Wait a minute, Jesus. Come on. Got a shot. You need about 70 something more, but 900 people watching got a shot. John Darius, my theory for Black Panther 3, Tachala's son ends up becoming the new Black Panther,
Starting point is 01:23:06 and Storm will also be introduced within the film. It's a perfect way to add in more of the Mutants' lore. If Storm is not in X-Men, Secret Wars, then potentially. I think you should introduce some X-Men in Black Panther. That'd be a good way to do it. Yeah. I think they need to start introducing X-Men. I think they were going to have Miss Marvel.
Starting point is 01:23:27 I think before all the King stuff happened, X-Men were going to come in before Secret Wars, I think now they're coming in after. I think we were going to get a lot more like mutants sprinkled in because the Miss Marvel thing, apparently there was mutants in Cap 4, which I didn't detect. But I think now it's going to be like right after Secret Wars,
Starting point is 01:23:42 we meet a lot of them. But I really hope they get individual time, not just like, here's the team. I thought that the, that, that, what's her name? The was supposed to, like, because she is normally a mutant in, Osabra.
Starting point is 01:23:58 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I thought that she was supposed to be, one, but I don't know. That movie's got a lot going on and not always in a good way. A, industrial. Coy, I have grown to love your takes. For some reason, I misunderstood your vibe in the early Collider days, and now I have nothing but respect.
Starting point is 01:24:23 Also, I think I saw you street jogging in Hollywood one morning. That's everything about that is the, that's the best comment of everything. Every sentence was, I didn't know where any of this was going to go. I really enjoyed the journey. We all just went on together. I'm glad that I could to show my true self and it evolved in your understanding of who I am. I appreciate that.
Starting point is 01:24:43 I've been the same. I'm just more tired now because I'm old and due too much internet. And I, that probably was me. Not on social media. I just do too many shows. I've been much better. But yeah, I do like a nice jog in Hollywood. So that probably was me and lovely to briefly pass you.
Starting point is 01:25:00 uh okay let's see next one after that is b gill studios not sure if the first was received here it is again kway winston did you guys see invincible already and has season wait did already has a season five they announced season five but the new figures and video games are coming out thoughts i mean i'm i'm totally here for it i don't know the story as well as coy because I haven't read all the way through so I don't know how many more seasons
Starting point is 01:25:32 they need to wrap things up a lot. Okay. It's three omnibuses this big. This show can run 10 seasons. Oh, damn. Okay. Bet.
Starting point is 01:25:43 And I fell off. I haven't watched season three. I fell off halfway through season two. I've been too busy to watch everything. And I don't know for it's not a thing. If it don't make dollars and it don't make sense. Boo.
Starting point is 01:25:59 Truth. What's right. Do you think the MCU should just do team up films? I mean, well, I mean, there's two answers to that. As fans that you want to see more stories, the answer is no, as Winston just got to chat it up because that's the passionate answer, right? The business answer is maybe. It seems to be the only ones that really are working. I guess my only pushback on.
Starting point is 01:26:25 that is like I understand that the Thunderbolts is like unknown but like very good movie didn't really make all that money so that's not necessarily an automatic win no it's not but yeah i guess teamups with like more the characters where they team up if they're just team up then like we don't know i happen to agree with you guys i'd rather have the thing i'm just saying though if business wise you look at it's like well the stuff that i mean maybe i mean technically you're about to if we're about to focus on the fantastic four in the x-men that is all team ups yeah that's what i'm saying Um, maybe they are doing that. Nathan Drake, could you guys explain the malice story?
Starting point is 01:26:59 Vanessa Kirby seems interested in that story for Sue. Her reaction to the rival skin was great. She definitely saw the rival skin who said, that's what I get to wear. Coy can expand better on this, the quick version. Sue essentially, it's, is it an alternate version of her or a mental break? I can't remember. A mental break was the 90s one, which I think is what they're referring to.
Starting point is 01:27:24 Which I think would be the better. out to go, to be honest with you. But the idea that Sue is like harb... This entire time has harbored a lot of anger, like kind of shoved a lot of stuff down. And then this kind of alter ego of hers comes out who is literally ruthless, like her name implies, in malice. And she just starts using her powers to
Starting point is 01:27:41 pretty much obliterate people, which she can. She is insanely powerful. And people think just because she can turn invisible and put up a force field that there isn't some deadliness there. But she could put a force field in your brain and pop it. Like it's... Right. Yeah. But it's like, you want to see her do that already though? Yeah, that's like movie
Starting point is 01:27:57 five. Right. Or, you know, don't go, you know, all the dark phoenixes we've done multiple times by the third movie, you just do that. But, but, but I think the idea of we got to see in first steps, some of her rage at people trying to
Starting point is 01:28:13 take her kid at Reed, making suggestions. So, you know. Ronetta. What's up, Renna? What's up, crew? Fantastic. For, I love this movie. Fantastic four. I love this movie so much. I'm going for round three.
Starting point is 01:28:30 This time my son and his boys. Let's just say the hype is real. Fantastic 4 got me hooked. It was fun, man. It's one of the first movies, well, Naked Gun is another one that I want to see again in the theater. For sure. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:28:42 For the year, you're saying? That I want to see again, like twice in the theater. No, no, I get you. But I'm saying that's the first one this year that you felt that way. It was Fantastic Four and now Naked Gun. Yeah, and I don't mean that I'm going to actually do either one. I'm just saying like I feel like I want to actually do it. The other ones I was, I just figured, oh, I'll do it with a like sinners, sinners.
Starting point is 01:29:02 Sinners I love, but I'm like, sinners, you know what? I can't wait to watch out. And I watch it with Kate. And I've seen it. I think I've seen like three times actually sinners. Love that movie. So, but F1, F1, I might have. And that one I'm going to wait.
Starting point is 01:29:17 It'll be, it'll be on Apple soon. The only reason I would have seen F1 a second time was to go see it in like 40X or something like that. But I was like, as good as this movie is, which. it is i don't feel like i need to rush back and see it in theaters again like i can see it home and be fine i get i want to see if fendaz for an i max because of the race it's great it's great the premiere wasn't an iMac so i need to see it big mo network what's up big mo what actor who isn't really known to franchise films would you like to be cast in the mccu and who would you love them to play um you winston a marshal and coy genre how about that uh
Starting point is 01:29:53 and what actor i mean let's see right now franchise films it's such hard to it's hard to it's hard to then foster as molecule man yeah and he's he was an ex-man oh didn't really i love ben foster he didn't get to play anyone i mean his angel was still like yeah i like to talker i want everything man i love tucker from kingdom we saw him in dc but i like to see him in marvel maybe he was in marvel but i don't think he was colin farrell oh yeah it was I mean it was bull's eye but yeah but that was not the MCU it sounds like he's gonna be like panther but honestly dames and indress i think that i think that he is very very good and i think he's good i love boyega if he wants to deal with disney yeah um yeah yeah yeah that would that be a good
Starting point is 01:30:38 one all right let's see next one after that uh missing score 44 christians is it hard to write comedy scripts i think it's a matter of you know like look i right now i have a really great writing partner she actually just texted me right now she wanted to get on the phone and talk about so she have a really great partner it's like finding someone that you vibe with back and forth that you can is you this comedy is so subjective right and this this is going to be and Winston you read it so do you think that this lanes on the dromedy side or or more common where do you think it lands i mean yes it's a dromedy but it's the way it read it just read more it reminded me in some ways of of of Dave of this idea of like he's going through some real shit,
Starting point is 01:31:24 but it's just hilarious because like, because of how him he is, it's the same about your two main characters. They are so themselves that like, we're dealing with serious stuff and they're just assholes. They're just hilarious assholes. Right. They're trying to get their stuff together.
Starting point is 01:31:43 So, um, Mike's movie madness. I love the pair season four as well as the scene with Carmian and his mom was hilarious. Totally see why it was not in here for Best Comedy. I actually had the same thought this morning. I was like, after you, how do you put that show in a comedy category?
Starting point is 01:31:59 There's like, it's kind of infuriating, to be honest with you. It's really, and I was thinking about this too, because yes, the two guys, I still don't understand why everybody's so like,
Starting point is 01:32:08 is the guy with tattoos on his neck, the big guy, Koi? The facts? Yeah, and there was, my sweetheart and everything too. Is he supposed to be like,
Starting point is 01:32:19 is he supposed to be like, on spectrum or anything? Is he supposed to be like, is there, because I assume they're all a little like, that whole family feels a little off. But the way they, they treat him like he's like, like he's a child or something.
Starting point is 01:32:34 Yeah, it's odd because he's like a professional chef in real life. Is he? It's weird how he's like a chef chef. Yeah, yeah. Okay, I don't know, they treat him. It's really weird how they treat him in general. But anyway, the point is that he and then his other buddy,
Starting point is 01:32:49 those are really like the comic relief characters, right? When those guys are on, there's some comedy going to be. And Oliver Platt will have some stuff. Then he says things sometimes, and there's some funny lines. But no different than when Pauly Walnuts or Silvio show up and they're cracking jokes, they were funny. Christopher had funny lines. The Sopranos, not a comedy. I just, I think the part that's frustrating is you were seeing the death of comedy, like IP shows
Starting point is 01:33:19 movies and stuff like that because studios have openly been like, we're afraid, like we don't know if it's going to hit, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So then to make it worse by having a show, which is more drama and really more drama and push, yeah, this is a comedy, man, ha, ha, ha, no, it's not. It's not, it's, it is funny at times, but because they feel like it's easier to win the category. Yes. That's the only reason. And it's genuinely infuriating.
Starting point is 01:33:46 100%. They put that in there because they know it's going to be, you look at the, you look at the stuff it was nominated against. That's what's crazy because Abbott is actually really good and it got even better this past season. So to try and take away from something like that is infuriating. That's a traditional. That's a comedy. Right.
Starting point is 01:34:03 It is frustrating. And it's one of my favorite shows in television. Francisco Lopez. So Reed basically stole Patrick Starr's idea. If you know, you know, I don't know that. I'm trying to remember what the,
Starting point is 01:34:14 I don't know. I don't know. I got it. Connor Mullis. Wilson, Jerry Jones is fumbling the bag. He walks out now. Put Jerry in a nursing home, bro. That man makes me drink.
Starting point is 01:34:27 The shirt in my PFB says. That's hilarious. No, no, no. Absolutely. I'm, I'm furious. I just, I wasn't going to bring that energy into the show right now.
Starting point is 01:34:35 I knew that there were people that were going to be like, hold it, Winston, the woman will make a person. Yeah, I'm aware of what's going on, but it is what it is. And Jerry needs to die.
Starting point is 01:34:44 That's pretty much it. He's not going to sell the team. So he's 90, million years old. So. Real Slim Barry. Christian, what software to use for live streams? Well, so we're going to go back to, this is why I'm going to make, I'm going to have to send an email because I, that's why I've got to get people in here.
Starting point is 01:35:02 For this one, they're still coming in like a minute or early before the stream goes live. I got to get people in five minutes early for the new, if I'm going to go back to the program I was using, just because I want to change the look of the show a little bit more. Right now, you stream yard. And I stream through OBS for me. I like guys my virtual camera and everything that I shoot with and then the guys kind of just come in with their thing and I still navigate through here. I want to be able to navigate through my whole deck and everything else too. So we're coming up with the formats.
Starting point is 01:35:29 But Luke has helped me first come up with potential ways to do virtual reactions with the people. So I'm looking into that first and then we'll see what we can do with the other stuff. Real quick. Yeah. Real quick, just to the to the. bear not being a comedy like for example if the studio doesn't win best comedy series i might burn this city to the crowd um all right let's see let's see next one here is sketchcraft and coy might hate animation but winston hates paying attention even more well that i hate it it's just
Starting point is 01:36:13 what you say right where'd you go um i really if dude guys if the studio doesn't win for best comedy i think we're like done with awards in general so i think comedy is officially dead that there's there's not been a funnier show on television than the studio in years i was just positing an original idea that the studio should win best comedy because i was paying attention to winston that's right Connor mollis Danny de veto for mr. misdivilever perfect what does that mean is that actually is that really a thing yeah mr. fourth dimension, fourth dimension, uh, torments Superman, mainly because he likes him, but like, he's just always, he's a little hat. Yeah. And he, yes, if you get him to say his name backwards,
Starting point is 01:36:55 then he, he gets vanquished. Like, uh, that's like rumble still since getting a thing, right? Yeah. Um, okay, so go pal in the early days of DVD, lots of shows had to change in music because back then the only license music of the first airing in one repeat. It's true. It is that, uh, that's a big thing with Smallville. If you have the Smallville DVDs, you go on a hell of a journey. Dude, Chappelle's show, he had all those
Starting point is 01:37:18 great musical guests. There's like four of the performances, the rest are gone. Wow. Renetta, throwback, naked gun was the kind of foolishness we lived for.
Starting point is 01:37:26 Now Liam Neeson trying to step in. All right, then, Mr. Taken, let's see if you got jokes, too. He does. There was actually,
Starting point is 01:37:33 did you see the interview of him on the podcast, where they were, he was promoting the movie and they go, so, you know, you're so,
Starting point is 01:37:39 the character's so serious, and your lines are so deadpan, like how do you keep a straight face during this whole time? He goes, well, I think about my dead mother. And then they go, and they start laughing. He goes, this is serious. It's so, it's that Frank Dreven Jr. line.
Starting point is 01:38:03 I'm telling you, there's a line and I'm not going to tell it to you guys, but there's a line that everyone will remember from this movie and it'll be quoted again and again and again and again. I had other stuff to do today, but now I like I have to go see this today. I told my dad about it because my dad loved the naked gun and I told and I quoted it to my dad. My dad audibly burst out laughing when I said the line.
Starting point is 01:38:25 And he doesn't, he's not easy to make laugh like that. And I told him what the line was and he just lost it. It's so good. J. Moble. Rob Lightfield is hurt. I get that. But calling Fantastic Ford dull and boring and St. Feigy needs to watch movies feels like a lot.
Starting point is 01:38:40 Not a good look though. Thoughts? I haven't talked to you about Rob lately because Rob's been kind of going because we both like Rob. Rob's been good to us and I know you have a closer relationship with Rob than I do, but he's always been really good to me. He's been kind of going. He's clearly hurt by Marvel and has been kind of going off. Have you talked to him at all? What do you think about his kind of Twitter rage?
Starting point is 01:39:04 I saw Rob at Comic Con and he's like so stoked and happy with life like his young loves things doing great. his life seems great. So it doesn't seem to be like anything that's like, oh, he's in a bad place. I think that whatever happened with him in Marvel, he's got the platform to like, I don't know if it's personal. I don't know it's professional. I do think he really loved Superman. I don't know if he's of the mind of like, well, here's this other thing because, you know, we're not. So that's my only theory, but he was stoked. I have me, him and Tim Miller talk Deadpool too for like a while at Comic Con happily. Yeah. I like Rob. I responded to him via like that post, The Fantastic 4, we said it was dull and boring. And I just did the, uh, the Will Ferrell agree to disagree.
Starting point is 01:39:51 And of course, also there is the, there is that thing, that dangerous thing of saying something you know will get engagement and not realizing you're doing it for that purpose. Like, I'm not saying Rob did this, but I also think there's an element of like, I'm in a mood and I want the internet to know it. And like, maybe that was a thing. I did the one thing. I did the one thing. though, I always tell you not to do, but I did it because I just thought it would be funny. Some dirty, disgusting, smelly troll who probably, you know, smells his own farts and gets
Starting point is 01:40:18 a kick out of it. It was like, he's like, oh, yeah, he's responding to the, to the Will Ferrell thing, oh, you know, yeah, you're a shill, going to lose his benefits, and he'll lose his benefits, and I wrote back, I just sent back a gift of Matt Nost
Starting point is 01:40:35 when he, at the Shmodeown, when he does his thumbs up, he was, good one. And it's like, it's like, it's like the, it's like the M&M eight mile thing. It's like you got to come up with something new. Just, you just got to come up with something new because it's like, and now the new thing for me is like anytime you got paid for this. I go, I did. When you clicked watching my review, you just paid me asshole face.
Starting point is 01:40:58 Like that's how I get paid. That's it. That's it. Yeah, whether you hate it or not, if you come into my thing, that's how I'm getting paid. And no one else paying me. If I, I love the movie, you're paying me. if you click on it. So that's how it works. Jay Mobile.
Starting point is 01:41:15 Life all is hurt. Oh, we did that already. Sorry. Brandon, Summers. Winston. Oh, man. They're releasing the OG TMNT. Chris, Khoiss just said that. Winston, what happened? Do you guys know that story of the what happens story? Well, I can't go into it again, but it was just, I need to make a shirt.
Starting point is 01:41:35 Missing story for live action. Should TMNT, use suits or CGI. Always suits. Always suits. Always suits. It's not even, it's not even close. The original, the original TMNT movies. Yeah. Specifically the first one. I love the second one just for what it is. The third one is. First one, great. I love the first one. You can, you can tweak it with some computer stuff. Like Jurassic Park. Yes, tweak it, but don't, but don't just just. Yeah. Connor Mullis, I'll be right back. I've got to count my fingers and toes again and make sure they're still there.
Starting point is 01:42:10 It might have lost one along the way. I'll keep you updated. Good luck, Connor. Good luck. That's, that, I don't know if that's real or a joke, but I literally had to rush a family member to the hospital.
Starting point is 01:42:19 They almost cut the come off. Oh, yeah, that's right. No, don't trust anything Connor says, but he's the best. Go pal.
Starting point is 01:42:26 Sandman is ending for gaming issues. Maybe they didn't want to associate Pats with the taint. That's also a great point. That's kind of what I was bringing up about why Sandman ending. Yeah. Or is that looking too deep, like Sweeney eugenics, yeah, that whole thing. But yeah, the, no, I don't think that's looking too deep on that.
Starting point is 01:42:46 I think it's possible that's like we don't, we're going to keep him away from this right now. Yeah, that's fair. Okay, let's see next one here. As we have about 20 minutes left, 82, pretty good. Legend MM 600, you guys rock. Who's your favorite TMNT? For me, I'm probably going to say it's, um, you seem like a Raphael guy. And I would say
Starting point is 01:43:10 Koi feels to me like a Mikey or a Donnie. I would say probably closer to Mikey and then I've been a diehard Leonardo fan for the longest time. There you go. I just like the pizza date. Missing score 44. Not only is the suicide squad canon confusing, but they stated
Starting point is 01:43:26 Iderselsohn's character shot Superman with a kryptonite bullet. So did that happen? Yeah, right. Right. Which Superman was it, but they did it too. That's what I mean. It's also true. It's not as simple.
Starting point is 01:43:39 It's not that confusing. Yes, it is. It's very confusing. It's not that confusing. The amount of people who have said that, oh, it's really not that confusing. Yes, it is. John Darius,
Starting point is 01:43:50 is it possible that X-Men, given the hype from longtime fans that this film can make two billion, like Avengers, or is this a smaller scale that can eventually build to that same hype? I think the latter. I don't think movies hit two billion anymore.
Starting point is 01:44:05 Avatar says hold on. So does Spider-Man No Way Home. You can only do it if you have something that, again, you have to play on hard strings. I think the nostalgia element and it has to be a good-ass movie. And it has to be an IP. It has to be all three of those things. And even with the nostalgia of bringing in New X-Men, it's New X-Men.
Starting point is 01:44:24 Did Noah Home make two? No, close. I thought it eventually hit it. Very close. 1.9. But no. 1.9. But, I mean, close enough.
Starting point is 01:44:34 No, no. That's two. around we're rounding bro come you're you're you're close but but avatar but but the difference here is then well it was during a pandemic or two but um it's way harder to do now i still avatar's got a good shot to do it but that's that's a that's a freak thing go pal if liverine doesn't have bone claws how does he have the does he meet stone his arm and deploy on demand uh because you the the metal claws would be built in to have apparatus to launch the like the blade did they retcon did they retcon
Starting point is 01:45:12 the bone clause again no no i'm just saying i'd never consider bone clause canon i never oh but his physiology was was always the fact that he had that he was built with the adamantium or he had it before the adamantium right yeah that was yeah i think he got like he if you think about healing abilities and i always thought it was ironic that they gave a healing mutin weaponized thing like he's a he's a healer they term berserk so having claws isn't part of like regular physiology adding clause turns him into a weapon he's weapon X so I always thought that All right armad I hate the James Gun Cannon stuff that he's trying to correct while not making any sense But I can see a relation to the situation from how Judy Dens played m during brazenes and and craigs bond right but they don't really bring a lot of attention to the past events that have happened there
Starting point is 01:45:55 They just she's there and you know okay. I guess she's the same end but they don't really ever mention anything else So it doesn't make it confusing like oh well she was there for this and this and that you just go oh well they just can her again as M. So that's the difference. Go pal. And speaking of Green Arrow and wrestling, did any of you watch heels? I did.
Starting point is 01:46:12 I watched season one. I liked it a lot, but it was a bit of a downer as far as the story being sad. I didn't see this. I mean, Bonnie was in season one with CM Punk, which was great.
Starting point is 01:46:20 Oh, that's cool. Yeah, she played his wife. But I did not, I see season two, but I liked what they were going for. Did you guys watch? I don't even think you need to be a wrestling fan because I think this is the kind of stuff
Starting point is 01:46:34 that you dig is that they did that, what's it called it's not called unscripted shoot what's it's it's basically like the inner workings of how the w w w works oh unreal unreal unreal is that what it's called it's a call unreal is that what the new netflix stock it's yeah real okay um i haven't watched all you about seeing clips and it really just shows you like the process it you know i wish it was around when the schmodeown was around because to me there were so many people that were part of the schmodown that didn't understand like wrestling this is what i would have showing them i think there's a lot of of like old school people who don't think that they should be showing so much behind the curtain but we're in a different era now um i think that that's what i've been like watch this look at how they they do this and the amount of setup and how they make this work so that it's interesting um okay next one buster barnes these casuals everyone keeps worrying about probably even remember the justice league cameo at the end of season one internet nerds you to stop worrying i i get what you're saying but i'm talking for the future in general what i the point i made beforehand too is just like if you keep reference
Starting point is 01:47:35 referencing something in the and then the casual can say oh so I guess that's part of this story and then it's not it's not going to hurt your business but it's just confusing connor mullis update fingers and toes are still here good thank you Connor appreciate that sketchcraft movies 10 years ago had a 90 day theatrical window and a superman's going to vod in 36 days box office bring back longer windows 36 days but that's but that that that is the reason why box offices can't hit a billion is because This is the decision they've made. They have retrained audiences to just wait for the number of people, which I understand because of the financial times were in, but the number of people that have been like, I just wait until it comes out on stream and I'm chill. Like, I don't,
Starting point is 01:48:16 I don't, I don't want to do all that right now. You have trained people to do that. And so they're going to. It's true. But, you know, the,
Starting point is 01:48:24 I guess the counter to that is, is that Super Mario Brothers hit a, hit a billion. So did Mo on. That's the family numbers, though. That's fine. It is 1,000 percent.
Starting point is 01:48:33 I've been very clear on that, that, you know, when you get, families into the theater and there's not a lot for kids to see and if you can take your kids to go to the movies is why moana did so well it's why all these movies that's so well that you have an event a daddy sitter for two hours a hundred percent a hundred that's that's why what you got what like you said minecraft at 955 Jurassic world even if bad or not really kind of leading towards family and then how to
Starting point is 01:48:55 train your dragon those and Lilo and Stitch hit a billion and hit a bill so that was all the movies that are going to hit this year you always bet on the family movies you always bet on the family movies to be the ones that are going to that are going to hit um the bill which is why i think wicked actually has a really strong shot i think wicked is i think wicked is more of a more of a family movie than we realize if it kind of falls almost in a in a barbie type category and you built up a lot of goodwill with the first movie but the difference between wicked and especially wicked part two which is apparently a lot i didn't i don't know i just know supposed to be darker um that those movies that we just mentioned lelo and all those you can take straight kids
Starting point is 01:49:34 make five and six-year-old kids to feed that. I mean, Zootopia will be in the 10 times. Yeah, Zootopia 2 will be in the range. We've got a shot. Zadopians got a shot. Francisco Lopez, after watching Fantastic Fort, do you think R.D.J.'s
Starting point is 01:49:47 Doom is their doom, and two, do you think R.D.J.'s doom will continue being the doom after Secret Wars. Well, the report is that they want him to be reason. I don't, I don't know. They're going to have to really, both of these movies, this is the one time I said, both these movies have to be three hours long.
Starting point is 01:50:02 I'm very worried that they're going to try to keep them short. And after seeing how much they cut out of Fantastic Four, I'm worried about this two-hour window thing. They have to have to make the three-hour. You just need to acknowledge, especially since it's supposed to be wrap-up Avengers films, you need to let them just be. Like, Infinity War and Endgame made you a lot of money
Starting point is 01:50:23 and did really well. Like, take the time. Don't try and force this into like a 90 to two-hour. No. That's true. Connor Mullis, I think that we are confusing ourselves with the whole kind of thing, try to figure it out before we can even see peacemaker season two which gun would just try to explain
Starting point is 01:50:37 it after season two came out yes that's super fair yes super fair yeah i i i i asked me earlier i was like i don't know yet right and i am curious how it goes that's true i could very well say oh well i was worried for nothing because that makes a lot more sense um i guess he just shouldn't he just didn't say anything yet just wait yep francisco he's excited like this is some you know personal some professional but peacemaker's his baby like hit that's his favorite thing and i I think he's just like, oh, I can talk about Peacemaker. And I think that is part of the onlineness. I get it.
Starting point is 01:51:09 I said yesterday, I said that with Schmoe down all of the time. Francisco Lopez, I hope he is not their doom and hope RDJ will not be back after Secret Wars. He's going to be back. I want someone else's doom after Secret Wars. Well, I don't think you're going to get your wish on that one, but I don't know how they're going to do it. I like Rokka's theory, though.
Starting point is 01:51:25 I'll tell you that basically that Tony Stark, a variant of Tony Stark, not Doom, but a variant of Tony Stark essentially has to battle Doom at the end. And it's like, you know, the two Downies are basically fighting. The Downy is Stark that we love and the downy that we hate as Doom have to kind of fight each other at the end.
Starting point is 01:51:46 With Stark kind of saving the universe yet one again. I thought it was interesting. I don't think it'll happen, but I thought it was interesting. Well, there was that behind the scenes video where he posted a comic of Iron Man fighting Doom and I'm like, oh,
Starting point is 01:52:00 Lauren. All right, let's see. Connor Mollis. Sorry if it's due political, but do you like canned peas? Come on. I said don't bring that stuff up. Bipartisan show. Come on.
Starting point is 01:52:15 I really don't appreciate that. Unbelievable. I don't. Yuck. See? Now we saw it from business. Jesus Christ, man. I just said, okay, give me a reason why.
Starting point is 01:52:24 All right, you just say they're gross. Give me specifics as to why it's gross. Otherwise, your comment doesn't make any sense. Jesus, come on. Jesus Christ, Connor. You're a P's fan. You might as well do an American Eagle commercial. Connor Mullis.
Starting point is 01:52:38 My cat Ozzy is watching. He is happy. Good kitty. That's right. All right. Trey Porter, just got out of naked gun two hours ago. It was hilarious on a really fun time.
Starting point is 01:52:48 Shout out to Pam Anderson. She was great. She was great. Oh, that's comeback. Right. She's on. She was great. She was.
Starting point is 01:52:54 She was so good for showgirl? Or what was that called? Was it showgirl? Yeah. Something like the last showgirl. or something. Yeah, I loved her in that. She's, she knows the role. She gets it. Danny Houston
Starting point is 01:53:06 is awesome as the villain. He says something at the end. Just thinking about when he says at the end. It killed me in the theater. Yeah, it was fine. I went with Matt Serra and he was like dying. Jose Diaz. Just wanted to send support and love. Thank you. Also, I've got to say, I enjoyed Fantastic Four
Starting point is 01:53:22 more than soups, but happy both were received well. Just have a great weekend. You too, man. I appreciate that. And yes, I'm happy that both of them were did pretty well yeah they're both making like good money not not as great as the before time but i think the rewatch on both is great i'm really excited to see a fantastic foreign iMacs after seeing it uh okay next one after that thank you again to hosei all right connor ladies love guys with kitties me out baby nice joshua gonzales gave the rest of happy gilmar chance and
Starting point is 01:53:56 enjoyed it i've been reading justice league international i'm excited if this is are justly going forward. That part, I don't know. Happy Gilmore was fun to watch. I think it was a good movie. I had a great time with Happy Gilmore. It was fun to watch. Do I think it was a good movie?
Starting point is 01:54:10 No, but it was fun to watch. But the concern was when you saw coming to America and how bad that actually was, it's better. This was considering this is a plus 10 year. Love it. Yeah. There's some, I just see any epideminence in it, so I'm excited.
Starting point is 01:54:29 Briefly. It's really good, though. Yeah, it is. What I'll say, Winston, is where they, so, and again, this isn't a spoiler because you know, it's a golfing movie. When he finally goes back to golfing, right? When he goes back to golfing, I loved that. Yeah. Where they go and who they're competing against later, I think they're really dumb.
Starting point is 01:54:50 I completely agree, but it felt very Sandler, though. It did. He went more of the grown-ups-to approach with this movie than he did the Happy Gilmore approach. but anyway, D2. Coy, what's the fire started poster referencing? Prodigy, a band I love. Oh, there you go. All right.
Starting point is 01:55:09 Connor Mullis, if today was Wednesday, what would your favorite color would be? Red rock. P color. Yeah. Chartreuse. Perfect. All right.
Starting point is 01:55:21 Next one after that. D2. Ready for Agatha. Let's go, Christian. Well, I got a news for you. Calling an audible. Because Sam is, Sam's been sick. The whole, she's finally, she's been out of commission for like a week and a half.
Starting point is 01:55:35 She's finally getting back in the studio. We're watching Captain America, Raven New World, and we're watching Thunderbolts. And then when we're done with that, then we'll get to Agatha. We're not doing Agatha first. It has nothing to do with any of it. It doesn't tie into it whatsoever. And we're doing our live event on August 9th. And I want her to be caught up with the movies more so than the shows.
Starting point is 01:55:52 So we're not doing Agatha next. Those, those two things. Because Agatha is going to take three days to shoot or two days, probably three. and it'll take me two days to shoot the other movies. So I'm just, I was, I was stressing over it. I'm like, I just, I know who's going to watch it, dude. No one is going to watch the Agatha ones. I already know it.
Starting point is 01:56:09 No one's going to watch it. The other two movies, they will, no one's going to watch the Agatha thing. And it's going to be a complete waste of time, but I'm going to do it anyway, but I'm going to do it after the movies. Boom or Bus, more impressive, Penguin or Andor. Oh, that's up to you guys. I still haven't seen Andor. I'm going to have to say Andor, not because of not,
Starting point is 01:56:33 Penguins are fantastic. It's great. But it continues on to the fantastic nature of what the Batman was already. It carried on and it captured Matt Reeves vision. It was part of the same team and it made it happen. Andor was coming off of stink after stink after stink after bad writing, after bad writing, after no one caring and people just not giving a crap about this. lore anymore and making is oh you can make this like actually people like adults care about this
Starting point is 01:57:05 also um and it's real television so i think ander was the more uh satisfying run over um but not not for i love penguins one my favorite things in the last like five years what boy what do you think i you know i i'm the other way but just like an edge we're talking like a 9.8 point 9.9.9 like for me penguin was able to do a lot more comicy stuff in a really grounded tone than the Batman, like the fact that by the end, he was in the suit and the stuff with his mom. Like, to me, it was like Matt Reeves, the Batman, but a little more comicky. And I was like, whoa, they can do that in this Breaking Bad soprano'sy tone. And I thought what they did with the balance of Sophia was really impressive.
Starting point is 01:57:45 Like Sophia was practically the lead and it didn't feel like two shows. And then Renzi, like, they're both perfect. I just slightly penguin for me because I'm a little bit more comic than Star Wars, but they're both amazing. Um, okay, let's see. Next one. You guys are getting close. Guys are getting close. We got 92, 92.
Starting point is 01:58:07 A, industrial. Ha, my dog is literally named Rubocop. I love that. Oh, by the way, I saw the town for the first time the other day. Great movie. Really good movie. Yeah, Big Bang OT4. Would you be interested in a Justice League movie directed by James Gunn?
Starting point is 01:58:23 And if so, how would you want to see it released? The gun didn't jam. No, I wouldn't. I want to see him do whatever sequel he's going to do, but I'd like to see someone else do a Justice League movie. I like to get a different tone than the one we got for Super Bowl. I think it would depend on who does the other tones and how that all feels meshed together,
Starting point is 01:58:42 but that'll be a five-year down-the-line question. Don't know yet. Okay. Let's see. Next one here is Connor Mollis. Good, googly, mugally. That thang is juicy. All right.
Starting point is 01:58:52 Gugly, mougalie, that thing is juicy. Russell Amador. What's that, Russell? Do you guys think we'll get an official press release for brand new day that would include cast and story details eventually Hopefully not for a while though I like this fun yeah for a bit Busy B happy guy hey guys happy Friday Christian I highly recommend last night's why files episode okay although a j debunks a lot of it the topic itself was interesting well he debunks a lot of this stuff I don't know how much AJ really believes in any of this stuff to be honestly I think he's I love white files think it's great
Starting point is 01:59:22 but I don't know how much he really believes if anything um but I will say say that I love how highly produced it is and what they cover. So I'd love to check it out. So thank you, Bitsy Bidt. Shoot, Ryan, had a great back-to-back theater experience together and naked gun. I hear good things about it together that Cosby don't don't don't. And spaghetti had the theater. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no give any way. Don't give any way. Don't give any it down. Just take it down. Luster Barnes, I did. Buster Barnes need James Gunn to direct a flash fight scene. Him zipping around beating up 100 goons to a needle drop would be absolute minimum. I mean, but I'd like to see somebody else
Starting point is 01:59:59 directed too. Have you seen together yet? I know I didn't read the second half of that. I'm seen it at Sunday. I'm really excited. Yeah, I want to check that out. I want to check it out also. That's Dave Franco, right? Yeah, Dave Franko and Allison Brie. I talked to them at Comic-Con. It looks really good. I just, yeah. Dave's trying to get Neon to pay for my wedding. Oh, really? To promote together. And I'm like, dude, let's make it happen. Great. SJ.C. 360. What's on your X-Men movie wish list. Mine is the scene of X-Men at the Met Gala. There's a hellfire gala and they do
Starting point is 02:00:34 all those outfits. That's hilarious. That's hilarious. That would be funny. Does he be more support for Coy and Winston together again? Yep. They're back. Trying to take out Roxy. See it? Teamups. Teamups in this show works just like Marvel. They're like 30 away, guys. Julius Wyatt.
Starting point is 02:00:49 Micah Pearson wants to be traded. Sorry, Winston. Yeah, I'm aware. You think they're going to trade them? I mean, the speed version of this, Jerry invited Micah over for a few days. They were kind of just talking about stuff. Then Jerry was like, cool, that's your deal. And he's like, wait, what? Now I want my agent involved. Jerry refuses to talk to his agent.
Starting point is 02:01:07 And no matter how much they've been trying to do that, Jerry just keeps disrespecting him. So Micah's like, I want to be in Dallas, but I don't want to be with this organization anymore. So come to the Giants, me. Love sinners. Go lassie. Go song is stuck in my head. Aiding in Cossack on a bit of a delay, but Black Panther 3. as the 228 release, can you introduce us to Storm
Starting point is 02:01:29 and have Xavier recruiting at the end credit scene thoughts? Absolutely. I think we all agree that there'll be X-Men cameos in that for sure. Nathan Drake, better comedy, the Martian or the Bear? Well, the bear will win. There was like no comedy in the Martian at all. I don't know how that. They can make it potatoes out of poop.
Starting point is 02:01:47 Yeah. I can see the argument. If someone wants to argue with me with the bear, they can make an argument that I'm like, okay, I see where you're arguing. Donald Glover. Donald Glover was actually very funny. in the Martian. That's true.
Starting point is 02:01:58 And that scene wasn't scripted of him falling, which is hilarious. I heard about that. B-Town. You think we will see Hulk's son in Brand New Day? No. I hope not. No, I think that character is. I think when I was watching She-Hulk, I said, you never see that character. No, no, no, you'll see him in Secret Wars. I think they'll close that out.
Starting point is 02:02:14 Because you're just... If not Cannon fodder... I think, if not canon fodder, I think you're just setting it up in the sense of in Secret Wars with Battleworld, there is like a Hulk village. So I think you will see... I don't know like that. Kaz, in my opinion, DCEU doing MOS straight to BVS is one of the biggest mistakes.
Starting point is 02:02:32 I agree. So I'm still hopeful Gun will do a direct Superman 2 sooner rather than later. I hope that they do know that because that was a big, massive mistake for what they did. They jumped right away and tried to rush to a team-up thing right away. Yeah. I think that's why this next one isn't going to be like too big of an escalation. That's why I'm curious who it is. Childish NH.
Starting point is 02:02:53 What do you guys think is the untitled MCU movie for July 23rd? heard 2027 that's probably that's probably excellent right yeah in between doomsday and secret wars especially if they're casting now and i think it'd be really cool but in between doomsday and secret war oh in between doomsday and secret oh thank you all right no no no 227 oh i thought that that's a win is spider man i thought spider man was supposed to be in between the two of that's it no that's before or them or spider man heard from today spider's first and doomsday that's a good call for what would it be what's d s what's ds three ds strange um shung chie too maybe if daniel if daniel dayton craig is doing spider man and spider man's before man will be wrapped yeah because thor five you could go and
Starting point is 02:03:39 do shung chie too yeah because store five i think thor's just going to be in in adventures i don't think he's going to do a separate movie and and no dr strange i don't think it's going to happen not soon maybe yeah it'll happen but not soon maybe brandy summer is basically what happened basically the what happened story involves christian being disgruntled with our youth almost breaking christian's brain in public that is pure fact your fact the trader joe's employee kid who's wearing a ski cap probably 19 years old as i was checking out uh stuff and i asked him if they took apple pay and he's what happened is this someone who works at the store not excuse me sir what did you say i don't know i don't know what you said sir what was what was that do we what happened
Starting point is 02:04:21 Were you at home? It is. OJC. 360. With China, a land of no money for Hollywood, what's Hollywood movie to adjust? The move, as we've said, a bunch of times is you have to bring back lower budget things to get people to go in the sea.
Starting point is 02:04:42 Start making these smaller comedies and stuff. And it's also bringing down, even your big movies, you got to bring it down. You got to figure a way to get those costs down. Jay Mobile, if gun is depending on peacemaker to explain the DC, C-EU continuity. Isn't that a mistake? Goes to the TV show homework thing to me. Yeah. Yeah, it does. Unless he just thinks
Starting point is 02:05:01 no one's really going to care except the hardcore fans. C-Black, I think Disney only have the IPs to make a billion. Well, again, there's other studios. I just think that I know says otherwise. Yeah, I think Disney does have Avatar and Marvel, but there's like Universal
Starting point is 02:05:17 and has plenty of great stuff. And Top Gun, like Paramount came. It's about the movie. It's Jurassic made 750. almost 800. Yeah. So Jack Lewis, since we are talking Teenage New New Jersey Trills,
Starting point is 02:05:30 I just want to share a recurring nightmare I've had since childhood being chased up a hill in my friend's backyard by the 90s teenage teenagers in their practical suits. To answer the questions, CGI. Well, see, for the reason you were being, you clearly did something. So that's on you, Jack Lewis. That was probably your parents paying them to come with your ass
Starting point is 02:05:45 because you weren't doing what you're supposed to do. Take out the trash, goddamn it. We're still their pizza. Russell Amador, if rumors of Ghost Rider being cast in Doomstay is true. who do you think is playing him and what role will he play the story of it all i i'm kind of warming up to the idea of of gosling me too yeah i think gosling i think you know i think that i really do think that josh harvitz is going to be responsible for that and i think because a relationship he has with star wars now too and disney i think it's probably going to happen connor mollis dr doom better
Starting point is 02:06:13 say i hate you three thousand um rafts uk rafton kroy was that was were you at fat man beyond recently i was i was at this recent taping and he asked some comic date questions and i answered even with a broken voice the audience recognized me which i appreciate i love that uh shelf presence the end of hd2 i have a gillamore 2 felt like caddyshack too i had fun yeah it fell apart at the end unfortunately i liked a lot of it fell apart rafts ukraffin a guy in the audience sent it is actually like me it was me i went to go support kevin it was great and mark uh who did ids wakonda they both crush always that's awesome s jc 360 if you were james gun would you hire joss sweden direct to dc film probably not probably not not even for anything else except the fact that like i don't think the
Starting point is 02:07:00 style fits either uh conar mollas canned peas are slimy too salty come at me how dare you sir stop bring upaganda tyler fifer thoughts on a modern robin hood movie they've spent the last 10 years making one a year i know i think there's a problem i think the problem is again the russell crow Ridley Scott one had so much potential, but they didn't potential. They didn't even make a Robin Hood movie. They made like, what happens if he becomes Robin Hood? And right when it becomes Robin Hood, you know what we're going to do? We're going to go to the credits. It was like an origin for a trilogy. Yeah, it's a sort and
Starting point is 02:07:35 Sandals movie. Make it that. Dude, nothing would have been funnier than to like literally do the Michael Bay end of Transformers thing. Right after he comes Robin Hood, what I've done. Exactly. Busy B. The family wants to go see Naked Gun this weekend, and I'm the only one who hasn't seen any of the originals. Will I still enjoy it going blind? The answer is yes. You will enjoy it going and blind, but I don't think, I do think you should see the original.
Starting point is 02:08:02 But you know what? It also might allow you to even enjoy the originals even more after you see this one if you enjoy it. You have to understand like the tone going into it. It's a goofy, silly spoof movie that does not happen. and it really pays homage to the original. And if you like that kind of stuff, then you're going to dig this. If you don't like that kind of humor,
Starting point is 02:08:26 then you won't like the originals either. Peter Stone, as far as the peacemaker topic, I think the previously in the DC before episodes and show will tell you what's relevant or canon for the show. Okay, but previously on, he killed my son. Okay, so everything that happened in the Suicide Squad because it was that mission that happened to Margo Rabbi is probably quick.
Starting point is 02:08:46 So it doesn't, it doesn't work. Um, okay. Julius Wyatt. Isn't it weird? Dune 3 movie hasn't moved, released it yet? No, not necessarily. What's it going up against?
Starting point is 02:08:58 It's going up against Star Wars. I was going up against Dumes day. It's Dune's Day. That's right. So yes, it is weird. Yeah. Um, so anyway, don't need chili dogs.
Starting point is 02:09:12 That's just from the trailer. So, all right, guys. 98. A hell of a lot. Hell of a run. It was a good run. It was a good run.
Starting point is 02:09:20 But nonetheless, we are going to get into this weekend. I have a good weekend. Coy. Tell us. YouTube at Coy Jondro, trying to use TikTok at Coy Jondro, trying not to read comments at Coy Jondro everywhere and check out my shows on DC on HBO. And all my T.HR interviews. I did 13 and they're up on their YouTube.
Starting point is 02:09:39 And I was really, I got to sit down with Dexter with Rob Reiner with so many legends with Dave and Allison. It was lovely. at the Swaggy Blurred, YouTube, Twitch, all the social media stuff, got some good stuff coming out this weekend, and I'll be back next week, too. Thank you guys for being here, as always. Thanks to Koi and Winston. As I said to you guys before, we're very close in telling you everything going on with the pilot, the Kickstarter, all that and more.
Starting point is 02:10:05 Really going to be leaning on all you to make this dream happen. So that being said, Apple Podcast, Spotify. We're going to be live, myself and Sam, in New York, Green Room 42 on August night. I hope you can be there. Please go and check it out. I'll have out of the theater reactions for both Freakier Friday and Weapons on Monday. So thanks for being here. Appreciate you.
Starting point is 02:10:27 We'll see you guys on the flip side. And I'll have the intro back next week. Bye.

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