The Kristian Harloff Show - QUESTION! Why are so many movies FAILING at the theaters?

Episode Date: December 14, 2023

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What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the big thing. It is Thursday. Man, James Gunn is talking up a storm when it comes to Superman, the new movie Legacy. He talks about cast cast cast Michael Rosenbaum and Alex Luther. He talks about why cameos are cameo porn and what his opinions are in superhero films. And if they're good or they're bad, we'll discuss that. But the thing I really wanted to talk about today was why are certain movies struck? in the movie theaters. I have my theories. Roxy has hers. Brett has... Roxy has hers. So we're going to really dive into that. What that all means, the Oscars in general,

how they might have to change things up if they want people to watch it, that and more. And Brett saw a brand new movie on Apple that we're going to discuss that he loved. So if you're brand new to the channel, right there, hit that button. You see it swirling around? it's a subscribe button and I realized that I did that on yesterday's show and I said look at that and nothing appeared because I didn't edit it and why because my computer is a fuck off so yeah my computer has been really been an asshole so yesterday you saw the show is about it really really glitchy can't guarantee it's not going to happen with this show I have an Amazon wish list gift list on there want to help out great if not I understand but I need a new

computer and I'm trying to send in the thing that's the computer's going to be on me I got to figure out there's other shit I got to get anyway it's one of those days guys so it's me and roxy and Brett on the show here today Apple podcast Spotify anywhere podcasts are found it's the big thing let's do it welcome back ladies and gentlemen to the big thing it's Thursday it's me Roxie strier Brett sharing it click click on the Click right here. It's all of us. Thanks for joining us.

That's a good shot. Look at that. Boom. You like that? Did you not like that or no? Oh, I don't know. It's a lot of headroom, but I don't know. What do you guys think about something?

I don't give a care. Let me ask you this. Better Brett? Before the show started, Christian and Brett were working hard. Great. I can really see your face. Oh, you know. Look at that.

What? Couldn't see your face before. Because I was like this. Look at that copper-tone tan. It's called Bronzer. Okay, go ahead. Okay. Before the show, you guys were working hard doing stuff.

And what do you guys like best? So obviously, I couldn't be helpful because it's tech stuff and I can't be helpful. And so I was being goofball city. And Christian seemed like he actually wanted to throw me out the window, but you didn't throw me out the window. And you just weren't respond. You were like, I'm just not going to, I'm going to ignore her. Yeah. Like she's a petulant child and doesn't exist.

Oh. What do you guys like in those moments where there's like, like high tension, tech issue, are we going to get the stream started? Like, is the best thing for me to just shut the fuck up? It wasn't that I was purposely ignoring you. I've just learned to in situations like that. Does that make sense?

You know that your sets up on Patreon now. So I hear. I heard that I'm a star. You are. You're pretty good. And Ellis and I talked about yesterday, we're like, so we have a show that we're probably going to put on.

We want to go to either L. Portal, comedy store or somewhere to do like a show between two of us do like a big show and have people on and everything too I'm so sorry what is that what's a comedy show what's El Portal is the is the first theater we ever did a schmowdown at oh oh in L.A. Yeah and so we're I was there I'm assuming you were there for one in L I remember the Globe we did the Globe but I'm sure I mean we did were you at the one when the Five Horseman were real yeah it was at that theater I had pictures out on my phone

Yeah, so we have that. But I want to do a show, and we were definitely going to ask you to host it. Because Steph does it with me. You wouldn't do it by yourself? I need Steph. But you wouldn't do it by yourself? I don't like it. What if I told you that I would rather have you do it by yourself?

Why would you rather that? Because I think you're good. No, no. Steph's funny. Step is funny, but what if I was going to have Steph do a set? I'll be like, welcome, everybody. Thank you so much for being here. Insert joke from Steph.

Okay, so great. we have some awesome comics for you tonight. Insert joke from step. But you can't do that anymore. Because when you, if you had done that and said that a week and a half ago, I'd be like, okay, maybe that's what she's going to do. But now I know that you're capable of more. Yeah, so sorry. This is why you should never prove yourself.

Well, you did. That's the lesson. That's true. Don't do the minimum. I just, I was just trying to keep all the dirty thoughts out of my head when Roxy said, what do you like me to do when things are heated up? The tensions are high. You know what I hate when women flash their boobs? That's what I hate.

When tensions are swelling, I just, I can't stand it when a gal shows her tithes. With a gal. Yeah, she's a lady. She's a lady showing a titty. Brett, this is how I know, though, honestly, that you get laid a lot because do you know that when you stop having sex, you have no more, like, at first I had a lot. I have not had a dirty thought in a year. Like, none. Really?

Yeah, none. It's like, you know, I'm an asexual person now. But here's the reason why. You've gone to the store so many times and like every time you try to get a piece of food that you like, it's rotten. It's rotten. So it's just like, I don't like that food anymore. I understand that. And so still, I was like, you know.

Oh, my God. The most, I posted this to my close friends, which you guys are both on on Instagram, but you never look at my story. So you probably didn't see it. I always do. I'm a creeper. I'm a silent creeper. Brett just looks at trash. I have like shit. I've seen it because I look at trash.

I have absolute trash dating updates for you guys if you want that later in the show. Yeah. Or now. We'll just do it now. We'll talk about how Brett, what do we call it? What are you looking at? So Brett's Instagram is purely for filth. Is it?

What do you mean? No. I have a few filth on there. But they're exercise videos. Influenter exercise It's to help me learn how to get a nice round booty I look at stuff but I'm not a good friend I guess I'm supposed to put a heart every time I see your

No no but I can scroll up and see who's seen it and who hasn't and oftentimes you have I always I just don't look at anybody's stories Hardly ever I'm not anybody I like hardly anybody's I don't even post stories You don't? I just tagged both of you guys in a story. You both haven't even seen it yet. Yeah.

I think, well, what was it? It was just now. Oh, just now. 13 seconds ago. Tell me what's going on with the dating story. Okay, so here I'll give you two of them on Trash City, two people I haven't met up with and will not. Okay, one of them, I'll actually just going to read you guys.

The profile? No, verbatim what actually happened. Okay, I'll tell you about this first guy. This first guy, tell us. I was talking to for a month. Literally every day. A month. for a month.

Okay, I went home to Boston, so I wasn't here. We were talking on the text message every day, twice a day, 7 a.m. 10 p.m. Every day, 7 a.m. 10 p.m. Just going to tell you guys what happens. All right. Here's what happened. He asked me pretty quickly if we could get stakes because I have on my profile that I like. Steak.

And I said, let me get to know you a little bit before. because I've now tried to work on this vetting process so that I don't just say yes to all of the immediate, right. So he was like, okay, so we were talking for weeks every day and he was messaging me all like about him, asking me questions, asked for what I do for a living, asked me siblings, family. Cairs. Seems like you care.

And so I got all of that from him. So then he said to me, okay, he said, now are you more comfortable would you like to go get dinner, steaks. He did say steaks. And I said, I would love to. And he said, great, what is your Instagram handle so I can make sure I'm not talking to a person in their parents, like a guy in his basement or whatever?

Oh, okay. So I gave it to him. But where did you first hold? Hinge. Yeah. Hinge. Okay. So wait, yeah, so don't they see?

Yeah, but it can be fake. It's catfish all the time. It could be fakes. It's not like linked. All right. So I always do that to the guy. Sure, sure, yeah. If you hadn't asked me, I would have asked him.

Okay, so there was a fair request. You didn't have any problems with that. So I said yes, and I gave it to him, and then he ghosted me. Oh. No, Canada style? After getting my Instagram. So maybe he doesn't believe it still? No, no, he clearly believes that he just didn't like me.

But wait, but didn't he saw my Instagram and didn't like it. Didn't you already see your picture, though, before that? Yeah, but maybe he thinks that those were better pictures than on my Instagram. I don't know. Son of a bitch. You're not worth it. Isn't that weird? Yeah, well, look.

You know, what are you going to do? To talk to somebody every day? Maybe he doesn't want to date a profile person. Yeah. But he asked me what I did. I said that I am a host and actress. Yeah, but everybody is here. Maybe once you look and you see it, oh, she actually has people or following her and she, I don't know.

Wouldn't that be better than she's a host and actress and has no followers? Maybe not. Depends on who you are. Maybe you don't want to deal with that shit. But then just say that. Fair. So then I messaged. So I messaged him afterwards.

Yeah, I was going to say. So he didn't respond afterwards. So I waited. week. And then I said, which I never double tap, but I just said, like, asks girl for stakes twice. She finally says, yes, did my Instagram scare you off that much? No response.

That's weird. Maybe he's an anti-Semite. That's what my siblings think. No, I'm going to tell you why I like you. They don't think that he's necessarily an anti-Semite, but that... Let me tell you something. As she was talking, I was like, well, you know, Roxy's pretty vocal.

Yeah. On social media, all of my head, I'm going, maybe it's something that she wrote that he, he's on the opposite side of and everything too. You just say it. Yeah. Just say it. Just say I don't like your takes on juice, whatever. Yeah, yeah.

As far as shoes are concerned, I don't like a take. Yeah, I don't like your take. Yeah. But I think that with that, maybe if you're so not even early, you're not even early into anything, you just go and you walk away. Not a mature way to do it. Yeah, no, I agree. but just like you messaged me every day. Yeah.

And on my profile, it says I'm Jewish on my actual profile. Do you have any idea what his? No idea. No idea. He looks very ambiguous. Okay, tricky time right now. So you don't know. Who knows?

Who knows? So that, okay, then this, let me just give you guys this guy's opening line. So he sends me. Please tell me it was Lewis Gossett Jr. Yeah. No, actually this guy's name was Ben. and so I feel bad because I posted this on my close stories and everybody thought that it was Ben Ben and I was like, oh my God,

that's actually horrible. No, Ben would never do something like this. So I posted a picture of me, one of my pictures you can respond to, and he responded with a pregnant emoji. Oh, what does that mean? Oh, I did see this. Oh, you did? Your stories.

I saw it too. He wrote blonde, fit and eats meat. Ha, ha, what's the catch? Yeah. And you said, oh, no, this wasn't the, the one send me a picture so I can to ask Santa what um no no no show Santa what I was see I look at your stuff okay but that was a different story so I said you tell me why did you send me a pregnant emoji and he said I just had a vision the Lord speaks through me mm-hmm disgusting he wants to put

a baby up in it I mean that's I'm pretty pretty straight you're tired of people pussyfooting around He just said He came right out and said Disgusting Oh, Pocotumka Roxy Ho

ha ha ha Poconta Do not send a woman A pregnant emoji Especially because it was like A crop top shirt I thought he was saying I looked pregnant

Yeah that's No that was Oh But that good Futs Muga Fuga Fugauga

Fuck fuck Yeah he's Fuck that dude Is what Jabba said That's I went on a date with somebody recently. I think dudes are trying to be funny, but like they don't, their delivery is horrible. You can't do that on tech.

You can't do that in tech. The first thing that's, no. I mean, even, that's, but that's someone who's not funny. Oh, I would have died in this world. No, but you wouldn't have done that. I would have said I want to put a baby up there. Right. But you would have done it in a way because you know the delivery side of it.

Yeah, but you could, you even knowing someone in conversation could get away with, you can get away with that in a text. Yeah. No matter who you are. It's stupid. Yeah. One of these people are fucking idiots. I went on a date with somebody recently. This is probably the most recent date I went on.

I don't blame you for not having sexual thoughts after the stories. Not. I have literally not. I can't believe that me all of a sudden. But even watching stuff? Nothing. No? It's so weird.

It comes on. It's like, this is the second time in my life. No. Like. You don't want to go grind one out? I can't believe it. I really don't. I cannot.

believe it. I just like, I just can't wait to meet somebody who I actually start to think of as like a person that I could have sex with. Right. I don't blame you. You're going to move. It's disgusting. So the most recent guy I went on a date with this is. It's disgusting. It is. Filt animals. Oh, man. Yeah, this fucking guy looking at Instagram. I actually made money. Is that really what your Instagram's curated to? No, I have, I have, mine is like cooking recipes and shit. Let me see. Give me your phone. Let me see your explore page. Oh, I love to see this. Oh, no, you can't see my explore page. Give me your phone. Is that the one where you go to search things? Give me your phone. I dare you.

You can have mine. Mine's makeup tutorials and cookies. Oh, no, I got important work stuff on here. He can't delete. He's deleting his history. No, I can't see what you says. I'll be what you search. What's the explore page?

Is it this one? Is it the search? I'm not to say it out loud. It looks like his mom grabbed his phone. Oh, yeah. No, it's a bunch of them. Filled animals? No, no, we're okay so far.

I mean, the first picture is a picture of Chad Michael Murray. Oh, okay. Is that what you don't want out of? No, I don't understand. Okay, there's guitars, meat, some pants, some very cute ladies, grateful dead stuff. Yeah. Brett, this is not that bad.

I've seen bad. This is not that bad. Yeah, this is last night. No, no, you're okay. There's a lot of food. A lot of hot girls. But mostly celebrity hot girls. And that's because that's what you do for a living.

Yeah, of course. Yeah. Oh, well. No, let me tell you something, Brett. Honestly, if you were, if you were my husband, I would be okay with that explore. I thought there was a cast iron, but no, it's just a regular nonstick. I did get into it with one guy over his explore page one time.

Why? Because, no, it was actually the girls he was following. This guy we were talking and he said something about, he was like, you know what's so weird to me, guys who only follow hot girls on Instagram. And I was like, I wasn't going to say anything to you, but like you only follow hot girls on Instagram. And he followed maybe 200 people, I'm going to say 180 of them, or like people he didn't know, influencer, hot girls. Which is fine because you're not my boyfriend, but like don't call out other people for being weird doing that. And then that's what you do. Maybe it's like one of those guys is just like,

I don't like gay people, and they're blowing somebody in the stall. Oh, this was the same dude that freaked out. I definitely told you guys a story off air. The mushroom guy. At the museum? I don't remember anymore. Took the mushrooms at the museum, freaked out.

I had to leave. Oh. Kind of remember. Oh, yes, yes, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, right, right. I don't think we told them on the year. Did you ever hear back from Canada?

No, I never heard from. Dirt ass. Yeah. That was kind of surprising, actually. He popped up on my hinge. I don't know what this means. So two weeks ago, on Hinge, and they, like, the way it works. Oh, so he's dating again?

He never was off of it, I don't think. Oh. I don't think he ever stopped dating. Just stopped dating me. You know, I never heard from him again. I swipe no, obviously. You should swipe just for the hell of it. No, but because I don't want to invite that into my life.

That's true. Because, you know, he would take that as a, she's interested again, and then he would slide in and, like, over my dead. body you fuck who's the who's the neighbor banging these days probably Canada you know oh I did record video for you guys this video has no audio oh wow this was weird noise too no ah ah come I don't know I couldn't I kept not being able to get it so I'm gonna have to like search and find it it was like every time she would do it it wasn't it was every it was four three hours every 10 minutes so I kept missing it's like a

crow caught in a cage? Yeah. Yeah, it was kind of sound like that. Why don't you look for that? We'll get into... And before I even get into a story, we're going to get to James Gunn's story, just to tell you guys right off the bat,

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He texted me late last night about this movie you saw on Apple. Sigourney Weaver. I'm not sure, but Brett? It's called The Everlasting Sadness of Trinity Jones. Right. I heard about it. Yeah. And it's a think piece. Who plays Trinity Jones?

That's Sigourney Weaver. That's Sigourney Weaver. Yeah, Sigourney Weaver is ex-prostitute who turns into like an environmentalist, you know, and, you know, basically, you know, save the trees, save everything. But there's a lot of controversy because... Her husband's a cat burglar? Yeah, yeah, cat burglar at night. And she's got to keep that.

And then, you know, things come out about her. It's based loosely on a true story. Right. It was, yeah, it really... Something that happened in, what, Kansas? Yeah, it was in Kansas. You know, they changed the names to protect the innocent, of course. And then, yeah, the end of the movie is really everybody dies and it's a gang bang.

I was too serious I was gonna say tell me about the the big no the big scene at the end when the cheetah runs into the banquet kills everybody I interviewed her ones The cheetah?

Oh she sounds wonderful She's nice or no She didn't bring up the gang bang death She didn't do that? No Not anymore She was cool I just saw something

And I think they said it was a skit but it was Jennifer Lawrence and this guy was interviewing or he had his shoes off. Did you see that? It was pretty funny, but she walks out of this interview. She's like,

why do you have your shoes off? It's kind of rude. Like, I have to wear heels all day for these interviews. And he's like, what are you jealous or something? She goes, this is stupid and walks off,

but I heard it was made up. I didn't know if it was real or not. I thought you had your finger on the pulse. Yeah, she's more aware of stuff. I can't believe she was nominated for a Golden Globe for that no hard feelings. I haven't seen it. I heard her's cute

It's better than it should have been Yeah But it definitely shouldn't have been a theatrical movie It's a streaming movie It was a streaming movie right It came out, it came out on No theatrical first She's but only for reward stuff

Right like it's a Netflix It was a wide release Oh really really? Wow Yeah but it didn't do it did okay But like I don't even think he did okay But um but it did much better It crushed on Netflix And um yeah because everybody found out

She was naked in it right Full nude fight on the beach Yeah, I heard Stern talking about it. Really? It's hilarious. Yeah. Both naked vagina? Everything.

Boms, vagina. The question was whether she had a murkhan. And the other person was too? No, she's by herself fighting. She was nude fighting three clothed people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, apparently.

I forgot to search that one. It's number one. I really like her. I think she's a fucking, I'm definitely going to watch it to support her. That's most people, people were talking about how she's like taking back her body. Yeah, for sure. And what I'll tell you what I liked about the movies,

the first, because I watched it with my wife in the first, like, 10 minutes, it's trying to be a movie that's, it's, you know, one of these kind of goofy comedies that always go wrong. And I'm like, if she's trying, this is not her strong suit. What she's trying to do here.

And then the shift kind of changes and it becomes more heartfelt. The kid in the movie is awesome. Really, really, really good. I saw them do press together. They seemed like they had a good relationship. Yeah, so it was a good, I liked watching it on the streaming,

On Netflix, for sure. It's not a movie that you go and check out in the theater. But what was the last thing you saw in the theater? Did you see Godzilla yet? No. No. The last thing I saw in the theater probably is with you. Okay.

I don't know what. I saw May December last night, not in the theater. Oh, right. So let's talk about that. You brought that up. So you and I seem to be on the same page with May December. It's the Julian Moore, Natalie Portman movie. It was that guy from Riverdale who I really like.

Okay. So I said, good movie. Don't get the hype. Yeah, I think it's good. I thought it was good. Like if there was no nominations for it, not hype, and I just stumbled upon it. I'm like, oh, that was a good movie.

But I went into it because right now I'm trying to watch all the Oscar contenders. Me too. And I was like, oh, okay, this is an Oscar contender. Let me watch it. And that was not a good way to go into the movie because then I was like, this is an Oscar contender. Everybody's raving about this movie. Like, it's the next thing.

I saw people just couldn't stop talking about it on social media. I'm like, and I just watched it. It's good. It's kind of, the ending is just kind of like, it's every Oscar movie now. I still say the same thing. I brought this up a billion times. To you, I know you love the Oscars.

And we've talked about this already on the air, you and I. Who are the Oscars for? Me. Right. But when they're not allowed, but they are not allowed to complain about how ratings are bad. Yeah.

If you want, if you're putting it on network television, Oscar should be a streaming. Well, back in the day, it was the only time you got to see a lot of these people dressed up. And now with social, media see them all the time but like it was it was an event and I was thinking back to we watched all

time but I also wanted to be an actor so you know that was I don't know if you pause and rewind for a second yeah explain yourself with the Oscars should be a streaming show so meaning that the amount of money that you have to spend in advertising and everything else to put on network television, ABC, whatever it might be, right? The amount of ratings that you need to do in order to make it a profit or whatever it is, you don't need the same kind of numbers on a streaming platform. Like what? Where do you think it should be?

Put it on your ABC platform. Put it on the streaming service there. Put it on the- But do you mean that it should be on like Netflix, Paramount, Hulu? Sure, sure. Because ABC, Disney, so that's Hulu. So you think it should be on Hulu, not on ABC? Put it on Hulu.

But why? Because isn't streaming more prestigious than network? Not necessarily, no. Not when it comes, I mean, not the old school way of thinking in that, because again, it's essentially free television. If you have Channel 7, you know, you have ABC. If you have just, you know, back in the day, you still have to get now, I don't know you can do that, but if you just have a regular television. Yeah, I can't do that. And you put a channel 7. I know, but it's like it's not, it's like everybody has Channel 7. So to me, it makes it harder to watch something. Like I wait for all the ABC, Abbott Elementary. I have to wait until it's on Hulu. Right. So most people do streaming. It's true, but I think streaming is just makes my, it makes me. more sense and it also, again, you're choosing to watch it where it's like, you know, ABC, it's like it's on Channel 7. It's like, okay, I want to watch something else, but it's, I got to watch the Oscars for four hours.

If you're like, 60 years old and you're going through, you're like, I don't watch Channel 7. Oh, the Oscars? I don't know what any of these movies are. I wanted to go. I wanted to check something. Let's go back. I'm going to 1989. Yeah.

All right. 1990. I want to go to 1990. These are the movies. Dead Poets Society. Field of Dreams. Crap. Driving Miss Daisy.

My left foot. Born on the Fourth of July. Oh, my dad's band is the title song on that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Broken Holmes. Shout out. Will you go to 98? But wait, I will.

I will. But my point is... Legendary, legendary, legendary. But everybody knew about the movies. There was not one of those movies that came out, whether you saw them or not, that people that went, what the hell is that?

But of course there were less movies then, Christian. There were definitely less as far as all the streams. movies and everything goes to, no doubt. But there's still movies that they were still put to the public's attention, is what I mean. Like, there's a lot of these movies that a lot of the mainstream audience has no freaking clue what these things are. That's our landscape right now, though, right? Like, I mean, unless you're just going to nominate only franchise movies for Oscars,

like every year it's only going to be Star Wars Mission Impossible, D.C., Bond, Marvel. But it's a bigger budget movie. I don't know. But like it's just there's, I guess maybe just changing it up too. Because I can just, my wife and I as we were watching the, some of this Oscar stuff,

we just know exactly what it's going to be now. The kind of movies you're going to try to do. And it's going to be the same things with the artistic movies that are going to look really cool. And they're not going to have traditional endings. They're going to buck the system. Like Salt Burn and May December and all these movies. Just like, it's the same shit.

I'm not not with you. Well, first of all, I love the Oscars, but I'm not not with you on the quality of some of the movies these days, but I do think it's a different landscape. We have to change with the times. What's cool is that there's more opportunities for people nowadays. Like, this is what it means to be able to be a filmmaker and go out and make a movie on an iPhone, right?

Because there is just more options for people. And a lot of those TV shows, movies, like, that's how we got, it's always sunny, right? They shot the pilot on their phones and we're like, yeah, let's make this show. So that's how we get a lot. What is it? Handrine. I mean, there's some movies, like big, big, huge movies that are shot on phones. So the point being that anybody can do it now.

Yeah, it's not that, let me correct it. It's not, it's not that movies shouldn't, that have small budgets shouldn't be nominated. That's not what I'm saying at all. What I'm, what I mean is that if you're going to put, there should be big marketing campaigns for smaller movies also, and there should be, if you're going to do these streaming movies in the same way that you put, look, May December, even though what I will say is that, It is a movie, again, traditionally, like, predictability. You know predictable. You know what it's going to be.

It's going to be the, because the ending is, you saw the movie. It's just kind of like, oh, it doesn't give you, there's not this, I like more structured movies. I just do. I like more structured. It's that moment when it hits the crutch and you're like, that's it? Yeah, but the thing, right. But the difference is it's a very highly publicized film.

It's got big stars and it's Netflix. so they're able to push it. So more people will know about that. But I don't think it's for general audiences. I just don't. I think it's more for the film fans. I think anybody that's going to be saying, oh, Christiani, what are you talking about?

It's the film fans. It's like full on film. I mean, every shot was meticulously made in a way it was beautiful. Like poor things. Do you see poor things? No, I haven't seen it. Same thing.

So did you like lobster? I love lobster. I love Lobsters. I like Yorgos a lot and favorite. I like Yorgos a lot and favorite. The favorite's my own. I think the only movie that he's done that I I love lobster.

I find his stuff very well-made, gorgeous as far as shots, but I find it very pretentious. And it's like, and so... I don't. I don't find his stuff pretentious. I find it quirky. Well, you're wrong. It's definitely quirky. It's definitely quirky.

There's no doubt about that. I like lobster, but the favorite, it was okay with me. Yes, yeah, I like the very good. Like, I find Phantom Thread PTA pretentious. Okay. Fair enough, but either way. I'm with you, though. It's a fair critique.

Sure. And so, like, you ask for... Because like Coco and the Breeze was shot on a razor phone. Yeah, that's what I thought. On a razor, wow. That's even more impressive. What I loved about that movie, by the way, was the fact that this is a full-on live-action film, and all of the posters were animated.

Did you notice that? Yeah. They're all animated. What happened to the monkey? The monkey. They got arrested it. Yeah, got arrested. You know, the typical story, young monkey gets hooked up with the wrong crowd and, you know, starts doing drugs.

Yeah, there were drugs involved, I heard. That's crazy. Yeah, but he was firing like cocaine balls at like... Oh, yeah, fentanyl, the whole nine. Stupid bastard. All right, so here's the 1998 Oscar nominations of Roxy. What was 98, Roxie? Ninety-eight, Shakespeare in Love, okay?

Elizabeth. Remember what is that is? Oh, I know, Elizabeth. Yeah. Life is beautiful. Save and Private Ryan, the Thid Red Line, gods and monsters, Affliction American History X. Maybe I mean 97.

Oh, okay. The year the Titanic beat out Goodwill Hunting, Which I thought came out in 97, so I figured it would have been nominated in 98. Yeah. So Titanic, 97, as good as it gets, Wag the Dog. Wag the Dog was nominated? That's crazy. Wow.

Yuley's Gold, Goodwill Hunting, the Apostle Amistad Boogie Night. Okay, so it starts to change. The reason that I wanted to hear this list is because Goodwill Hunting, my favorite movie of all time. And I feel like, Christian, if that movie came out today, we would have you saying that's a streaming movie. Well, today, today, but it's not, but it's not because, no, remember, streaming movies, when I say that, it has nothing to do with quality. I know, but if it's a streaming movie. Air was a streaming movie and it came out in the theater. But if it's a streaming movie, then it sounds like you think that it shouldn't be an Oscar movie because those are the big budget contender marketing.

No, no, no, no. So here's a perfect, perfect example is using those guys is Air. Right, air is one of my favorite movies. But why do you think Air is a streaming movie? So what I'm talking about with streaming movies is more so of audience of what they can get on streaming, right? So like you have so much content through Apple and Amazon and Netflix and all these different movies that you're paying for. The theater experience now is very different than like 10, 15 years ago when you, like Goodwill Hunting. When you saw a movie like that, it's really the only way you can see that movie if you wanted to see it right away, like a movie like that.

But you think any of those movies that are not action movies, the movies that are heart and soul that doesn't have to do, scenery or like big action scenes should be streaming? No, I'm saying that it's, there are a lot of movies that I'm thinking. So when I say streaming movies, it's not movies that I don't want to see in the theater. I'm telling you that the mass audience is not responding to. Right, but what is your, how are you distinguishing? I'm missing it. So what movies, what movies do you like, a movie like air.

Yeah, why? Because a movie like air when people, so remember, when you go, you know, a huge cast, movie stars, all that, that's not why people are going to the movies anymore. They're just not that you can, the number, and it's not me saying it. This is science at this point. When you look at the numbers, track the numbers of what people are going to see. That movie didn't do very well in the theater. Those movies, movies like that, the romantic comedies aren't doing well in the theater anymore. Like the Meg Ryan thing, granted, a star that was probably past her prime, but still, those movies don't do it very well.

There's these movies that just don't do well in the theater because they're making all these types of movies for streaming services. But why then is Barbie a, it should be a theater movie? I'm assuming you think it should be a theater movie. 100%. Barbie's a little, Barbie's different, right? Barbie's got this big massive IP behind it, right? In Barbie, it's a big massive IP, big studio movie. It's got the big budget behind it.

Air has a pretty big IP behind it. What, Air Jordans? I mean, yeah, but it's not, but I mean, it's a popular brand, but it's not, it's not the same thing where it's like you turn it. Look, Barbie could have been one of those movies that just didn't do very well. It's just an iconic movie about the, the actual Barbie herself, right? And it's also a very big budget

as opposed to a movie that was probably 60, 70, 60 million or whatever air might have been. Smaller movie. Or it could have been more. I have no idea how much a movie cost, but with the actor's salaries, I'd say anywhere between 60 and 80. And it was in, like, an Amazon movie.

So, and it was essentially that movie was kind of made for streaming anyway. It really was. They didn't necessarily need it to do well in the theater. It was made for streaming. 90 million. 90 million. Okay. Okay, let me ask you this then. I'm just going to list some off because I am not understanding your distinction.

So here I'll guess what you're going to say. Elemental and all the animated movies, I'm guessing you think in theater. Theater movies. Because kids. I mean, although there are movies, there are some movies that are made that, you know, are kind of generic and could have just been made for streaming. But with that kind of budget, you've got to take a crack at and try to get your budget your money back. All of the action movies. so like Mission Impossible, Creed, John Wick,

I'm thinking, you think theater. Again, big action movies with big stars and Creed is coming off of a popular franchise in general, yeah, of course. Anything superhero, so Spider-Verse, Guardians, any superhero movie, you think, theater. Yeah, because it's not, it's because of what, again, what is the past numbers shown

for box office returns? Why are people going to the movies, right? So the example I always give is a family, right? So a family of four, they pick what movies are they going to pick to go see in the theater when they also subscribe every month to Amazon, Apple, Netflix, let's say you're spending anywhere between $80 to $120 a month on streaming alone. You're probably going to spend with treats and everything else and tickets, depending of where you are in the country, with your family, you're probably going to spend

close to $50 to $60 to $70 for that trip alone. So when you go to the movies now, you've got to make sure that whatever movie you're going to see, is it a movie that I can just see at home that we're paying anyway? Like Apple's got this brand new movie that they just made. Why don't we just stay home? Order a pizza. Watch the movie on Apple instead because they have a movie just like that. Or should we go and spend the money because you can't see something like that on the big screen?

You can't see something like that on screen. So it has a spectacle for you. It's not for me. No, for you to think it should be streaming. Yes. I mean, for you to think it should be theater. I think that for now, there are certain times. So here's a movie.

I've got an example. Concerts, I saw Steely Dan in concert, and it was like listening to the album. It was like, oh, this is cool. I could have listened to the album at home. I go to Grateful Dead. It's an experience, and that's a concert that's worth going to. I don't think it's necessarily Christian saying this personally, but like... It's the money.

I totally hear what you're saying. It's just things like air to me is where you're saying. and I disagree because I don't know. But why didn't know and see it? Why didn't know and see it? The movie was fantastic. It's one of the best movies of the year. Why did people not see that movie?

What do you think? Why do you think the reason why they didn't... Did it really do as poorly as you're saying? Look at the... I'll bring up the numbers right now. It made like 50 bucks. Now look up what Air Bud made. Air made $90 million.

So, and that's with the marketing, probably lost close to $90 million. But that's a different kind of movie because I think that they were prepared for that in general because of everything that I'm talking. that I'm talking about here with the streaming, and they know that people aren't going to see movies like that in the theater right now. So they knew that they had a big deal for streaming. It was going to be kind of an exclusive thing for Amazon when it came out as well.

So there was a little bit of a deal. They knew they were going to take it. Same thing. Look, you know another movie that people aren't talking about had bombed bad is Killers of the Flower Moon. That's a streaming movie. But if Air had done the same budget for the movie and went streaming, you think it would have made more money?

Say, say again, if it had the same? If Air had, so the budget was what? 80 million? Yeah. So you're saying the budget was what? If the budget was 80 million still, and then it went streaming, you think it would have made more money? I'm saying instead of going theatrical. Oh, no, no, no.

Because, I mean, that's where the crazy thing comes. That's why I'm confused with... Well, because you have these... It's just a matter of... That's the overall problem with streaming in general is because how do you prove your money? How do you prove that you made money through subscribers and all that stuff? But you're saying based on script, you would be able to tell where the movie's going. Because if it's once the movie, once you're in production and then you're trying to see...

see like, oh, where is this fit? I'm just saying you're going to have a hard time with certain movies with audiences coming out to see it. And again, there's some really, look at the, so that's another one where there's some movies that you're going to get because of audience, right? Like, look at a movie like, what was it, Lost Paradise? What was the Paradise Lost? What was the one with Sandra Bullock and Janet Tanna?

That movie came out at the right time. There's some romantic. Did it do well? It did well. It did really well. And so did that Julia Roberts Clooney movie, right, also. because, again, depending on what your budget is. Like, if you can put it, if you tell me that you're putting a movie out, like the Sandra

Bullock one, and it's $150 million, I think you're a lunatic, or $200 million, you're a lunatic. There's no way that movie makes its money. But if you're making it for scale down, it's got a chance to hit because it's counter-programming to superhero movies and these other things, too, and it's a good date night movie. There are times that it depends on what it is and who's your stars, who's directing, but it's, there are certain movies that just don't play in the theater the way it did 10 years ago. It just doesn't happen anymore.

Some of the movies that you think probably are not streaming movies probably ate shit. Like what are some of the movies that you think are like... Are you there, God? Big Day Night movie. But that's it. But see, that one though, I can understand again how much... Because you're talking about your family four thing. Family of Four would go see that.

Right, but there's also a difference there. The budget is lower, right? The budget's lower for that film. Is it? That movie cannot cost any more than $40 to $50 million. $60 maybe, and if it did, then that's, if it costs more than $60 million, it's a crime. It probably costs like anywhere between 20 to 50. Yeah, low, 30.

Right. So yes, you take a shot with that movie and you put it into the theater. Because it's a book, I mean, it was required reading, I think, for the longest time. And I could be wrong. I read it. But how did it do? So that's, I bet you, for a $30 million budget, I bet you it made $45 million, which still might be a loss. They opened to 20.

What did it make overall? I don't know. I'm looking, Christian. Quit. I bet you overall it made 45 to 50 million. And with that budget, you barely break even. It costs how much to make? What did you say?

20-something? Yeah. No, no, 30. Okay. It costs $30 million to make. It cost $30 million to make, and it made $21 million. So it lost money. But I understand taking the shot at that movie,

putting in the theater, because, again, it's counterproducing. It's based off a popular book. My wife took my daughter to see it. I get the shot, but it does prove my point that it also didn't make a lot of money. But you would have thought that that would have been in theater movie. I think that it was worth, I think it was worth taking a shot at it because, again, because of budget being lower. This is what's confusing to me and the things that I don't understand.

Number one. Math. Actually, police got a math when I was 14 years old. That's the truth. But why, how it all works now, honestly? So, okay, this movie goes to theaters. It costs $30 million. It makes $21 million.

That's a fail in the theaters. But where I watched it was on the airplane. So what's their, what is their plane deal? Then it goes to streaming. What's their streaming deal? Like, isn't that a movie that actually does make its money back? And then make money because of the fact that it did get that $20 million boost? And if it had just gone to streaming,

how really does it make its money? Well, that's the bigger question with streaming the last part of that. But the other is you lose money to the theaters in general because you've got to pay theater costs and other things, so how much more you're going to make off of airplane deals and I don't know, Blu-Rae, physical media is not even that big of a thing like it used to be. So, yeah, you're not really going to make too much of a profit, all that stuff.

But the honest answer for you with the streaming thing is, I don't really know. And I think it's one of the major reasons that the unions were fighting what they're fighting for to get the transparency of the numbers because it's like, how do you guys know when you're making your money?

How do you know when, if you're gonna tell me this didn't do well, well show me the numbers how we know that it didn't do well and what are the conversion rates like? Like so if you put a movie like that out there and then because my, a bunch of kids who didn't know it was even out in the theater, couldn't find it close to them,

wanted to watch it and they do, and it brings in a whole bunch of new subscribers, that's conversion rate, but they see that. we don't. I think that the bigger problem to me, it's not, does this go streaming? Does this go theatrical? It's that the budget of movies is just too high for to sustain this model. I couldn't agree with you more. I couldn't agree with you more. It's that there that's, and that is how I'm- The Indiana Jones movie. Yeah, right, right. And that's, well, that's what I'm saying to you is that,

like, there are, there are times when you put a movie out in the theater that has a lower budget that I go, well, it could have been a streaming movie, but with the budget it was so low, go for it. insidious red door, right? That movie costs like $10 to make, and it made a shit ton of money for what the budget was. So five nights at Freddie. They did the same day.

Like normally, if that movie would have cost a lot of money, I would have said, who cares about putting that movie? But they also put it out at Halloween. So your theatrical opinion in terms of like what could make money is if it's attached to a major, I peer franchise, if it's a big spectacle,

or if it's dirt cheap to make, And especially the horror genre. Yeah, and timing of it all, right? Yeah, I don't disagree with you, Christian. I don't disagree with you. I don't like that. No, I don't either. But I don't disagree with you.

And we are seeing that. It's just crazy to me when we keep hearing about these movies that have $200 million plus budgets. And it's just like, the fuck. Well, that's why the theater business has changed why it was. Because when there are certain movies that, like, look at like Dune, right? Dune's a movie that should absolutely be seen on the big screen, right? The creator is a movie that's a lower budget movie, but it should be seen on the big screen.

There are movies like the Taylor Swift movie, the concert movie, Beyonce, those movies should be seen on the big screen because it's like you're feeling the concert, you feel the sound of it all. And there's a reason why they made the kind of money that they do. You can watch those movies on that TV, and it'll be... Did Dune Annihilate? No, it didn't annihilate because it also came in,

it came out at a time. It was during the pandemic, and I think they tried to do the same day release. I can't remember if they did. did that or not, but it definitely was, you could watch it when it came out. At home? Yeah, when it came out the first time. And now, and there was like this whole big thing about it. So it did good, but it didn't be great.

I think the second one will do great. I think the second will do, but that's a movie that should be on the big screen. There's no doubt about it. So it's, there are movies that I think that can take, should take the shot. But there are certain times when I, like a movie, like the Jennifer Lawrence movie, like, you look at that movie like that movie is. Can we get any comedies or rom-coms on the, big screen anymore?

Unfortunately, people do not want to see them in the theater. How did Joyride do? Not well at all. Bombed bad and people love that movie. I didn't see it. People loved it. I don't think you'd love it. I think you'd like it.

People tell me it was really funny. It was very, very funny. But it's like, it is, I don't know how you feel like this. Maybe Brent, you were like, it's super sexual. It's like over the top, like in the blue, just the moment. That's what I heard. Yeah. Sometimes it's like, okay, we get it.

But I thought it's very funny. And I understand why they would potentially take a shot with a movie like that. Again, budget couldn't have been that much. And then you look at something like everything ever all at once. It costs like $5 million to make, whatever, right? And it made... I think it costs like 20, didn't it? Something like that, maybe.

But it very well could have. But let's see if everything... But that's another one you have to see on the big screen, for sure. I know, but I understand also what... It's a gamble at one point. Hold on, let me see. So the budget of everything ever all at once was $25 million. I made $143 worldwide.

Now, obviously, winning the Oscar and all that added more money to it. But I understand taking the shot at that movie for $20 million. You put it out in the theater, see how it does, and it paid off and then some. A million. Every movie costs $20 million, and you think you can get some theatrical response. And was the A-24 that was that one? And A-24 is going to push it? Yeah, it makes sense to give it a theatrical run.

That's kind of a lightning-striking kind of a situation. though, too, because of, you know, I think so many people, you have to see this in the theater. That was word of mouth got that thing, you know, pushed or whatever, because it was a great film, you know? Right. Right. It's quality, too. That's another great point, though. It's quality.

But that's why, like, you look something like air, which is frustrating because air, again, is so, so good. And, like, Oppenheimer clearly made for the theater, right? You know, something like that. Barbie, Oppenheimer, like, they're not a lot of great, not a lot of great box office successes this year. You know, any... Weird year, people were on strike they couldn't promote their movies anyway, so I do think that that has a little bit to do with it.

Sure, but I mean, you look at something like, there's two movies that have come to mind going to your point earlier. And the first one, and they both have the same problem, and that's Fast X and the Marvels, right? Fast X cost $360 million. It made over $750, almost $800 million,

but it lost money or barely broke you. It lost money. because you made it for $375 million. It's out of control. God. It's out of control how much. And I like that movie. I thought it was entertaining,

but it should not cost that much money to make. And then the Marvel's, $250 million, or whatever it might be. And this is the same thing. That movie is ultimately going to probably lose $200 million. So even if Brie Lars, the three actors, if they all promoted it,

you think it would have covered an additional $100 million? No, no way. But 10 million? Okay, fine. So then they lose $1190. Yeah, just saying, I think it is for other movies, maybe more relevant, especially some smaller. Blue Beetle could have helped? Definitely.

Blue Beetle could have helped? Now, again, how much more it could have helped? I don't know, but it could help. Bring the conversation back to Oscars on Christian for a second. So of the movies that you think should go directly to streaming, then you think that those should or should not be Oscar contenders based on the fact that you think the Oscars should be for the masses? Well, again, but that's the tricky thing.

Streaming now is for the masses. More so. And I'm not one of these people that thinks, like, I know there's a lot of the snooty film critics that think if it doesn't have a theatrical run, it can't be nominated. If a movie's a movie. And movies are what are being celebrated. It's a movie. And especially, we've got to be able to change the rules a little bit, too.

If, like, people aren't going to the theater, but they know what the movie is and they make a big movie for Apple and it. can't get the theatrical run and people are watching it and it's popular on Apple, it should be nominated. If I make a movie and I put it on YouTube? And I mean, look, and it's a... Do you think it should be able to be nominated? If people watch your movie, yes, I do.

Okay. If people watch your movie... I don't disagree with you. Yeah. And let's say your movie goes viral and everybody loves your movie because you made it yourself. It's that it shouldn't be what club are you in in order to get in. It should be like, people love my movie. People are watching my movie.

People know about my movie. They're aware. The idea of the Oscars and the Academy Awards was obviously to celebrate the year of film, but it's also to put on television so the masses could see the movies that they saw and the actors and the performances that they like. That's lost now.

It's only for the film community. It is only for the film community and the people who really love movies that will go and watch everything. So tell me what you think would be the best movies to nominate this year. Obviously, not the whole, I don't need your whole list.

But like if you were in the nomination, nominating committee, if you are the Oscars and you are like, okay, here are the movies that I think are going to help people watch our show. Yeah, well, it's a loaded, it's a loaded question, right? Because it's a matter of like, it's, you want to get movies out there that are out there for the masses for sure. But you also do want quality movies. Like I'm not, for visual effects, sure, I'd put Transformers out there. But you're not going to nominate that for best picture, obviously. I'm putting air in there. I'm putting, I'm putting Godzilla somewhere in there. I'll tell you that right now. I couldn't believe. And I've heard so much about Godzilla. Godzilla. But you think that's for, you think that's going to help viewership? Yes. Okay.

Godzilla is one of the best movies in the last five years. Okay, so Godzilla, air, you put in Barbie? I would, I would understand if people wanted to put Barbie in there. I wouldn't vote for it, but I'd understand if people were like, we should put that in there. Yes, 100%. It would be stupid not to it. It was the most popular movie of the year and people love it and people love the performances.

Yes, Barbie should be in there. Okay. What? So are you not putting any, like, May December, holdovers any of the conversation about the smaller movies. No, because May December, even though I don't like it and I don't think it's kind of artsy-fartsy, it's a Netflix movie that had mass distribution

that people know about it. So you are putting it in there if people actually voted for it. And if people that are, it was trending on Twitter and people loved and people were actually talking about it outside the film community that people are actually seeing it, then yeah. I mean, it's... So what aren't you putting in there?

It's so tough for me to, it's hard for me to say because like it's because I get into the selfish mode of it. Like American fiction to me is a is one of my favorite movies of the year. The holdovers. One of my favorite movies of the year. Nobody's, nobody has seen those movies. Most people average shows. Do what you did for the movie thing though, Christian.

You said to me, it's not what I want to see in theaters is what people do that for the do I think that if you nominated American fiction, which is to me one of the best movies of the year. Are people going to tune in to see if it wins? No, they're not. So you're not. If you... If you're doing like the big...

Yeah, I mean, poor things, no, I wouldn't put poor things in there. I'll tell you that. Like, most people who are going to watch poor things, it's a fucking weird movie. Do you think it should be about how many people are seeing it, kind of? I think it should be... There should be more mass distribution for some of these movies. And it also, some of it plays...

I don't know, some of the artsy-fartsy stuff. Like, I think there's a... Like, you know it's a movie that should be nominated that gets a lot of... I haven't seen it yet, but it's getting a lot of play because people know what it is and it's a Netflix movie, Niyadh, right? I have no idea what you're talking about. It's the one with Jody Foster and Annette Benny, of the swimmers. Have you heard of this? No, okay, so maybe not.

I don't know. I mean, I don't really have all the answers, to be completely honest with you. I don't, I don't know. All I know is even a movie like that, though. Of course, it's not your job, too. No, I know. Yeah, sure. What you really think, especially because you and I are on, the only thing you and I seem to be on the opposite line about is that I love the Oscars and you don't anymore.

I'm just tired of them. what you think they should be doing. I'm just tired of them because it's like it's also, it just, they still treat it like this elite club that they want people to watch their elite club meeting. They don't treat people who are watching the show like they got every part of it or even really acknowledging that they should be watching it. They're just saying, oh, we're letting you watch this elite club here. You might not have heard about these things.

Who gives your shit? And we're going to let so-and-so talk about some political thing that they could say on their fucking Twitter, but instead they're talking to somebody else who might have an, they want to watch their show who could have a completely opposing point of it. And we're celebrating movies here. I get it. You want to take the platform. You want to spread the word.

I understand it. But it's like, it's also why I tell people, if you follow someone on Twitter and you go, hey, I don't want to hear you talk about politics, then don't follow them. It's their platform. It's their thing. That's weird. They're not telling you that they're going to talk about movies or sports or whatever it is in that platform.

you're following Roxy Stryor, you're following Brett Sheridan, you're following me because you're following our points of view, so you're going to get offended, fuck off. Then the same should be said, if I'm promoting a movie show and I'm promoting a celebration in movies, it should be about the movies. You want to introduce yourself to, okay, thank you to my dad who gave me this inspiring. You want to have an inspiring speech, my mom, who did this, who said, and relating in its apologies saying, who told me that I'm, I think Viola Davis gave a great speech, just saying that, you know, as a black woman,

she wouldn't be able to do this and look, and Regina King did the same type of thing. Of course you should do stuff like that. But you think that the Oscars should tell the people, here's what you can and cannot speak about? It's tricky, right? Like, I understand you wishing that's what the actors just did. I know, I know, but it's like, but you're still,

I think in a certain aspect, the director should, in a certain aspect. The director of the Oscars. The director should. And you should say, look, we want to keep this thing. Because it's also a problem with the live show. I mean, you look at certain things. Listen, a lot of these people eat meat, folks.

Let's just tone down the vegan shit. You want to get steak, Roxy? Yeah. So I don't know. I really don't know where it is. Listen, nobody wants to hear Barbie talking about her veganism. I don't know if she's vegan. She might be.

But I used to look forward. I used to look forward to the Oscars is the answer to this question. Yeah, I did. Yeah. I used to go to the things. I used to be a part of the polls. I find out who won I'll

I'll tape it or I'll watch it in stream or whatever and I fast forward through just to watch the winners I very rarely watch the speeches go right through Like the slap

Or things like Sorry it's actually Moonlight not La La Land Like do you like The live element That cause for those things Does that make you? I feel embarrassed for people

I feel embarrassed For the production team on that You know, it's like, that's not something you want. And it's sad that the most viewed moments are when a dude loses control and slaps another guy in the face. And that's what everyone's talking about when your show should be. I mean, there used to be, like I feel in the same way that I feel like Hall H. You know, like when you go to Comic-Con, Hall H should be a show. On every panel, you're going to put the money in.

It should be a show. Not the same shit. Here's a moderator that just got the gig a week ago is going to go, so tell me about the job. When you got this, blah, blah, blah. And then for, it just, yay, we mentioned someone we know. And then by the end, they show a trailer. That's when everybody loses their shit. And that's it.

Give me a, the best panel I ever saw was a Transformers panel. They had Stan Bush come out and play one of the old school Transformers songs live. Then they did this other big screen thing. And, you know, if you want to make it a event, make it an event. The same should be said about the Oscars. Make it a show. Have the big, they used to do the big musical acts. And I say they still do musical acts for the thing.

But like, make it an overall show. Write a script for it. Have whoever the host is. Bring us in and out and write a show. Like right in the same way that you would, you know. Yeah, they do do that. That well. Not well.

And like, because it always, like, the jokes will come out. The monologue starts off at the beginning. And then it just trails off into, like, you know. And now that you've hosted, right? It's like, you do the thing up top. And then the in between now is like, okay, here's a joke that's probably not funny. I don't give a shit. I'm getting paid a million bucks.

You. Just get Ricky Jervais to do everything. For real. He did the Golden Globe, so I don't know. It's just, it's... Do you guys think that there's anybody they could select as the Oscars host that would get you actually interested? I mean, again, I'm the wrong person to ask. I mean...

What's his face? Oh, Jesus. Matt Rife. No, no. Boston. Boston comedian. Oh, Bill Burr. Bill Burr. Yeah, yes.

That would get me to watch the Oscars. 100%. Same vein as Jervais. They would never in a millionaires asking me to do it. Why? There's a lot of different reasons. One, because you don't, because Golden Globes maybe. The Oscars, no chance.

You're not going to get a guy like Bill Berta do it because you can't. I couldn't agree with you more. But you couldn't control him and let's face it. The Oscars are very far left running. And he's not, everyone always assumes he's far. He's definitely left leaning. He always talks on stage. He says it.

And in his politics he is. Yeah, but people assume he's kind of, but he, but he, but he goes after everybody. Yeah. He goes after everybody. And like his, if you watch like, uh, was it bad dads is the name of it? I don't know, but I watched him. Right. Yeah.

And he cracks jokes on everybody, on everybody. And they won't like that. No. No, there's no way. But, but even then, though, but it's still the same. I think it needs to change. I think it needs to change. I think they need to do, they need to turn it into actual show.

Old dads. Old deaths. But they need to turn it into a show. I think that's the overall thing. Crossover, Bad Sina, and Old Dads. I don't know. What do you guys think? I guess I'm going to have to change the entire title for the show.

Because I wouldn't stop having you. No, no. I actually way more of a better conversation than I think that we would have had about anything else. But before we, I'm going to do this thing about James Gunn before we take off. I want to ask you guys what you think about this conversation we just had. And I also want to tell you about nuts.com and Nutrafall. I'll tell you about them right now. This is the best.

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He was out there, man, and he was talking a lot, a lot about Superman, a lot about casting, tons of stuff. Let me tell you about some of this stuff. Here's the first thing. Superman Legacy director James Gunn details his issue with cameo porn in superhero movies. Josh Wilding at Comic Book Movie writes Superman Legacy director James Gunn has revealed why he takes issue with cameo porn in the superhero movies and names the character he's currently most excited. for fans to see in the upcoming DCU reboot. As the cast of Superman legacy continues to expand, there's been a lot of chatter online

about the movie being too crowded. The reboot is going to introduce the DCU's new man of tomorrow, but the hero will find himself surrounded by characters like Greenlandered, Metamorpho, and potentially even Supergirl. It doesn't sound too different from a lot of superhero movies, but some feel that filmmaker James Gunn should focus solely on Superman. However, the reboot is also our introduction to DC Studios, DCU and if anyone knows how to handle large ensembles, it's the writer and director between the

Suicide Squad, Guardians of the Galaxy. Gunn recently answered some questions on threads, clarifying his stance on the size of Superman Legacy's cast. He said the whole point was it's not a large film. I mean, not in terms of cast. It's normal for a single protagonist film to have other characters, much more unusual for them not to. The filmmaker went on to reveal why he takes issue with some superhero movies leaning too heavily on what he described as cameo porn. I call that cameo porn. I call that cameo porn and it has been one of the worst elements of recent superhero films. He said what of a fan described as the genre's tendency to have a character appear on screen for 10 seconds to mark a checkbox gun set. If a character's in the film, they have a reason to be there story-wise.

I don't mind actual cameos if it's a glimpse for a moment in Easter egg, he said. What bothers me is when they mangle an elegant story by shoehorning characters in, they aren't there because the story calls for it, but some other reason. It's fine if it doesn't disrupt the story, it's It's the plot contrivances that developed from a cameo, not the cameo itself. Gunn isn't wrong, and Marvel Studios recent movies have suffered badly from cameo porn. That's evident from The Blink, and you'd miss them cameos like Hercules, Eros, and even all those Kang variants. On the DC side, it was a problem for the Flash as well. Elsewhere in this brief, Gunn said that Mr. Terrific is the character.

He's excited for fans to see in Superman Legacy and reveal that The Watchman is his favorite DC comic book. All right. So staying on here with James Gunn, staying on Superman, because we have. all this stuff we're going to talk about with him. While everyone can agree that Nicholas Holt is a great pick to play Lex Luthor, the decision to put the spotlight on that villain yet again, and Superman Legacy has raised some eyebrows. If it's true that Brainiac is set to appear, it may not matter,

but after Lex has taken center stage and everything from Superman, the movie to Superman Returns, Batman v. Superman, Donna Justice, as it feels like the reboot is retreading familiar ground. Ultimately, it comes down to whether James Gunn is able to do something new. Given the filmmaker's longtime friendship with Smallville's Michael Rosenbaum, many have wondered whether he could be given the chance to play the DC use Lex. When that was put to Gun on threads, he said, I love Michael. It was my favorite Lex, and he's one of my very close friends, but I wanted a Lex who was

contemporaries with Superman. We're not remotely shocked that Rosenbaum wasn't cast, even if it would have been cool, but Gunn's comments about Lex's contemporary suggests that Superman Legacy will feature a relationship akin to the one scene in the Superman Birthright comic books. It's an intriguing dynamic and one that could allow Gunn, Holt, and David Cornsweth to find a new approach to Luther's hatred for the man of tomorrow. Superman legacy tells the story of Superman's journey to reconcile his Kryptonian heritage with his human upbringing as Clark Kent of Smallville,

Kansas. So, all right, so when you have all that from what he's talking about, he also, you know, he talked about his brother and he also got some shit for casting his brother again. And Roque and I talked about this on Monday. I do think that he should just say, look, I cast my brother. That's it. Why? Because it cast my brother. He's a good actor. I like having him in my stuff, and I put him in there. He had some other long thing about why he was putting him in there.

It's like, come on, it's your brother. That's why. He is right where a lot of these cameos are just thrown in there, and they just kind of mean nothing. And it is funny, though, the Flash was the first one I thought of, and he loved the Flash. So it's weird that he would say that about, I mean, or not acknowledge that particular movie

because that movie was just full of them. That's usually the beginning of that movie, and the end of that movie, to me, is the worst parts of that movie, but I like that movie more than most. I think that I'm excited for his vision. A lot of his answers get me excited. Sometimes I do find that he's willing to answer

to too many questions sometimes. He's such a man of the fans that he wants to talk a lot. And I'm kind of with you for the brother thing. For me, if it was somebody asked me why I put my brother in my movie, I'd be like, because that's my brother. Would you not put your brother in your movie?

That's weird of you. Right. I'd rather have to say that. But yeah, I think that a lot of this is, a lot of this is good. The cameo porn thing, I don't find, I usually like those pop-ins. They don't tend to bother me. Sometimes there are ones like what you're speaking about where I'm like, but it doesn't ruin a whole movie for me. I also think it is weird that people are nervous that he's overloading his Superman movie because I am, this is a whole universe. It's a universe of decades.

Right. And of course there's going to be other characters that you recognize and know. That doesn't mean that he's overloading it with cameos. So that was kind of strange to me too. For the most part, I think that nothing about this was like alarming. No, no, no. And Brett, you know, when it comes to the Superman thing, one of the things that people talk about is that, as he mentioned,

that there's so many people that are announced to be in the cast, they should focus it on Superman. It seems like he's very aware of that. And he also is like, it's a small movie. And that gets me encouraged. And he's like, you know, as far as the character stuff go in the story itself, where he seems to realize that people want to see more of Superman. So what do you think? I just want to know what you were looking at.

I saw a fly in a little bit. Oh, my God. This one is obsessed with me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, of course they want to see more Superman. Yeah. That's, you know, that's the film.

That's, you know, I don't, I don't think that's a weird statement. Yeah, not to focus in on, like, you can understand where people are like, well, Greenlander's in it, and this isn't. It's like, yeah, but it's this going to be about... Because they're in that world. Right. And it's a new Superman. You're establishing your new...

I think that's the whole thing. People want to make sure that you establish this new Superman. People don't know who this guy is yet. And we want to find out more about him. Rachel Brosnahan, who I love him. So glad she's cast in the role. And you get a little bit more in Nicholas Holton there to see what he's going to do is Lex Luthor.

So to recreate this dynamic in a fresh way, to me, so Superman's my favorite superhero. I don't know if you knew that or not. But like Superman is, because growing up, Christopher Reeve, oh, that's, it was like that's, and I think James Gunn is going to bring something to that. What I do, my biggest fear with the James Gunn, Superman is, as like people are exhausted of me saying this about pretty much everything now,

is the abuse of comedy I'm worried about. I'm just, I don't want to see, there's certain things like, I love the suicide squad. I love Peacemaker. Those shows call for James Gunn's style of humor. Superman does not. I would love to see. see a very funny Lois.

I would love to see a sharp witty, witty lowest. And I think that he'll be able to put it in there. There's just no world in which we have a hysterical Clark Kent. There's no way that James Gunn would do that, Christian, because it's not part of his character at all.

I don't want to see Lex Luthor crack in a whole bunch of, like, you know, I mean, look, Gene Hackman was cracking jokes, but I don't want to see it, like, as I say about Guardians too, which I've come around on more than I used to be, but I still watch and I still stand by the fact that everybody's handing out jokes. albeit some of them funny jokes, but everybody's handing out jokes.

And it's like, I get that he likes to be funny in the same way that Tyca likes to be funny. Tyca got carried away in Love and Thunder. And I think James Gunn got carried. Do we know what lantern's in this movie? Is it how? Or is a guy? I think it is. I think it's guy.

It's guy. Yeah. Gene Hagman was funny, but also frightening as hell. He was. He was. I know, but there was a tone in the Donner. one that could be a little silly though sometimes too. I also wanted to talk a little bit about the Michael Rosenbaum aspect of this because I think

that that was a very good sign. I love Michael Rosenbaum. I love him as Lex. I love him as a podcaster. I love him. I just think he is like the bees knees. I think he's awesome and has done a great job for the nerd community. He's just like everything.

But it would have been really. weird for James Gunn to cast him. Not because they're friends, but because James Gunn is scrapping. He's like, I'm doing something different. If then he put Michael Rosenbaum in because it was his friend, that would be bizarre. And unlike what I said about his brother, like of course he's throwing his brother in there, there's too much of a history with Michael Rosenbaum as this character for us to just brush it under the rug.

Well, then it's like, why didn't you put Henry Cavill in there? Right. Because then you have no leg to stand on with that. Now, granted, it's not connected to the same universe, the Rosenbaum stuff, but we actually, I can say it now because we're coming back for Katie Sackoff show in January. And Michael Rosenbaum's one of our guests. Was he awesome? Yeah. And she asked him about being cast and if him and James Gunn talked about it and everything, they'd talk about it.

I'm sure he was cool as hell about it because I'm sure he was probably not thinking he was going to be in this movie because that wouldn't make sense. And would I love to see Michael Rosenbaum as a different role in James Gunn's DCEU? Yes, I would. I think that would be awesome because why not? He's so open and honest with Katie in that interview. It's like he always is on his show, but like, so a very different side of him. What else did they talk about? I don't know if I want to spoil it yet.

Was it mostly movie stuff or was it also? Okay, cool. Life stuff. Mostly, a lot of life stuff. Like he did talk about his, about leaving Smallville and everything too, but I don't want to spoil like the interview because it's really great. Did you guys watch Smallville? Yeah.

I watched a lot of it. I mean, it bailed eventually, but no. No. Anyway, look, we talked about a lot, guys. So make sure you leave your thoughts. Make sure you find Roxy at everything, everywhere at Roxy Stryor. Brett Sheridan is on the channel that he calls. Bob Ford TV.

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