The Kristian Harloff Show - REWATCH! Batman Begins (2005)

Episode Date: February 11, 2022

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It's very nice to see everybody today. Would the truth be, I can't see any of you. I'm just talking to you, but it's nice to be with you today. You see him in a lot better of a mood than I was last week? Well, wonder why that is. I wish I knew. Exactly. It is the rewatch of Batman Begins.

It's the Nolan trilogy. I knew this movie was good. But after watching what we watched last week, when it's like someone just took a bucket of farts in a jar and put it under your nose. And then you just get like your favorite food. And you never, you're never full. You just keep eating because you want more and more and more. That's what this movie is.

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It is the big thing. Rewatch of Batman Begins. Let's do it. What's up everybody? I forgot to tell you. If you're not at the Patreon, you like these rewatches. People like these rewatches.

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anywhere podcasts are found and that's how you do it go and get us on apple podcast we don't do donations you don't do stream yard or or super chat or any of that we just rely on you guys listening to this show. All right. No more of this. It's very nice to see everybody. By the way, rest in peace to Paiomai in the background there and just recently passed away. I love Pio Ma and get a chance to mention that. All right, let's do this everybody. Let's bring in my cohorts, Winston A. Marshall, Coy, Jean-Drew. How you like that fan art on the way? And I got to give that. That was fire. I got to give that. Absolute fire. We'll find that. It's really good. It's feel the love. It's really good. I like that. What I like about it is that

this, we get to debut this fan art poster next to a real piece of art. What, look, I'll tell you what about this movie. I always liked it. I always liked it a lot. This movie is incredible. How good. It's phenomenal. It's, you're getting peak

Christopher Nolan when he like couldn't miss. And you're talking about these, I mean, Dark Night Rises will have a conversation, but you had these. You had what, inception? he had just come off the prestige, I believe. Like, homie did not, huh? Prestige might have been after, but either way, it's in the same range.

It's in the same range. Oh, man, it's so good. And you forget, he did Memento and Insomnia and all those, and his movies that he had done in the fact that we mentioned it briefly on Batman and Robin. But had it not been for Batman and Robin, you don't get this movie because that movie just sunk, basically sunk it. It is such night and day when you look. at that movie after watching it last week, Coy, to this. The lure, I mean, like, everything about

it is just, it's the other side of bat fandom. Like, we often talk about how there's people that want the camp and the people that want the dark night. And this is the other side. We, we went further and further from the glory that is the darkness of Batman with each film. Like they, even the second Tim Burton got campier because it was more Burton than got got got got his own golf, but it's a little campier than, you know, the traditional. So as they progress, they got further and further from what I consider the source material. Everyone's got their own take. But to me, this was, hey, this so didn't work.

We're going to scrap 100% of the tone. We're going to go as grounded as possible. Everything in this film gets its own origin. I love that we get the Cowell Origins. I love that we get the Batmobile with a plausible origin. I love that Bruce Wayne's coat has an arc. There's so much more integrity to the writing of the script than there is in anything. And without this, we don't get the NCU.

Like, you know what I mean? It's a beautiful thing. No, you're right, man. that's that's that's that's the thing is I don't know how much and I'll let you guys speak on this because you guys are the comic book experts but I don't know how much actually plays into the real lore of the comic books how much they you know took a liberty with and all that but like they did they said they were going to take a more grounded approach to this and they certainly do and what I like about it is the evolution this is the first movie after watching all the ones that we just watched beforehand this is the first one that really focuses in on Bruce and Batman this is about Batman all the other movies are about the villain with Batman and Bruce Wayne happen to be in there and they have a they have a they have a have a purpose, but for the most part, it's about the villains, right? This is about Bruce Wayne, Batman, his demons, everything about it. And you see him as this kid that wants revenge. He is just devastated by the loss of his parents. He's had this fear in him before his parents died, the stuff with the bats, he feels guilty

because his parents died, the way that they set that up with the theater. And then ultimately who he becomes and why he goes out. And I love the scene where he gives the jacket to the homeless guy. And then he just runs to the boat and leaves. It's my favorite. Yeah. I mean, to answer some of those questions, it's pretty spot on with liberties taken. So, like, for example, the big thing is that they were typically at a movie seeing a... They're seeing Zorro versus the opera.

Right. Zorro versus the opera. They're not leaving because Bruce is scared. Typically, they're leaving after like, it was a grand old time. Bruce was happy. The family was together and bam dead. So I loved for narrative purposes, making it that because Bruce was afraid, that, the central theme of this entire film being about fear and overcoming your fears,

uh, perfect for a scarecrow movie, obviously. And a great for a paternal Thomas Wayne. Exactly. Yes. Exactly. But, but then you get exactly that.

Bruce is blaming himself for his parents' death. And you can't necessarily justify that in any other telling of his origin because it was really just happenstance. You set this up where if Bruce had not been so damn scared of bats, his parents would be alive in his parents would be alive in his origin. mind. Like he has to exercise that demon. Right. And I love, you're going to say, I love that like you mentioned, the scarecrow. This first one's about fear and all of the villains are about fear. Like Falcone is running the town on intimidation. Razol Gould uses theatricality and mysticism and the

shadows to be his fear agent. And then scarecrow is about overt fear. So not only does this movie have as many villains as Batman and Robin and somehow makes that work. It also has more time with Bruce Wayne. It makes it work. But also all the villains tie together in a logical. central way. Like there's a lot going on, but at no point does it feel bloated and it doesn't ever feel too slow or too fast. I think one of the best things about this movie is the pacing, because once this movie goes, it never lets go of you. But at no point because of the nonlinear origin, I love the nonlinear storytelling with the origin. Because of that, you never feel like you're bogged down in any one timeline of the film. No, you don't. You don't. And it feels, and it's,

it is, it's set up really well, they set up all the characters. I feel like a really long, great episode of television also and what I mean and that's and I don't mean as far as the look it's obviously a beautiful film but I mean as far as the way that television today the way that it's it can be crafted you as Coy said you could have a lot of villains inside of it but it doesn't

overtake it doesn't focus too much on one particular villain and so I really enjoyed that a couple of things I was in I think it's the third one people always talk about some of the holes where how Bruce is able to get in when the whole thing's locked down and all that. There's stuff in here too, guys. There's stuff in here too. Like, for example,

Gotham might be the stupidest people in the world because no one's seen Bruce Wayne for seven years or eight years. Comes back and then Batman shows up and no one puts it together. It's like, and then he's got this expensive tank and expensive. No one puts it together. Well, it's the same thing with the whole Superman Clark Kent's like glasses thing. You really got to let some things. Like you got to let some stuff go.

It's like what everybody's like, where does he get all the? those fabulous toys. He must be rich. Why is your first thought not he's rich? Or like what what was the favorite rush hour line for rush hour two? Follow the rich white man. Paul the rich white man. Yes. Follow the rich white man. I'm telling you man. Yeah. You let it go. And by the way, I also push back against people. And Winston, you might be one of these people who say that, uh, that, that, that bail is not a great Bruce Wayne. Did you, do you say that? Oh, no, no, no, no. It's not. It's not. It's not. No, I just, it's not. No, I just, it's not. No, I just said that as far as like straight look

Clooney's got it down. Okay, look wise, look wise. Okay, that's fine. Um, as far as... But he's the only one to play three characters. He plays Bruce Wayne, he plays the Bruce Wayne and he plays Batman. I think of all the Batman. He's the only one that gets all three characters right. I would argue that I think he's the best Bruce Wayne as far as how he,

I mean, how he's actually put together and the stuff that he's going through. He's the one because even Michael Keaton, who you love him because of just his pure charisma. But like, Bale has so much because it's the writing. The writing is better with this Batman,

or this Bruce Wayne, because the stuff that's set up and how he's trained, because there's always that question, how does he know how to kick ass so well? Well, this tells you, he was already tough. He was already tough and he could fight.

Because his anger was taking him through. And Liam Neeson, by the way, very underrated as a villain in general. And we forget, because when you rewatch this now, this is Liam Neeson pre-taken. And I just watched this fart box of a movie, Blacklight,

It's bad. It's bad. But it's Liam Neeson. So he's still, he's like 70 years old and he's still kicking people. But this is, but when you watch them fight on the train at the end, you're like, oh, wow, watch Bell fight now Liam Neeson, who is who is just revitalized himself. But this is a great role, I think, and very underrated, Razal Ghul, the way that it's set up. And he really, it's that Thanos thing too. He's, he truly believes in his mission. He's not just one of these evil, mustache twirling villains. He believes that Gotham is so far gone in crime and corruption that there's no way around it. And he wanted Bruce on his side. Instead, Bruce turned to the other side. And you understand why he's doing what he's doing, even though you don't agree with him. Yeah. And it's for anybody that's familiar with, you know, the League of Shadows, you know, and what

Rache's whole unit is all about is like, that's it. They go around the world and they find the most corrupt empires, cities. whatever and they just devastate them because they feel like you need a big purge like that. For centuries. For centuries. Like they're literally being behind all of that. So even to get into a little bit of that history, it's very clear that Nolan is a fan and did his homework and fully understood the assignment from top to bottom as far as making Gotham a character,

making sure all the villains are flushed out. Like the one thing that I guess we really can't get away from, once again, Bruce is out here just telling the woman he loves that he's Batman. But I guess that I like how he did. But I like how he did it in this one. It was smooth. Back to my other side. Here, I'm split on this, Coy, and I want to see where you lie in this, right?

Katie Holmes is, I'm sure, a wonderful person. She's, she's terribly miscast in this role. There are times when she's talking to Christian Bale, and I'm just like, you just see two different types of actors, right? And she was great in Dawson's Creek and all that type of stuff that she was on, you know, and she's likable. But you can't compare when it comes to skill. However, I will say this. And as much as I like Maggie Gyllenhaal, I always get thrown off when they throw somebody else into the role in the next movie.

I don't know why she was, I don't know what happened. Maybe they thought she wasn't good. Maybe she wasn't available. Maybe all the Tom Cruise said, no, no, you're not out of the house this week. Oh, my God. You know, that was a weird relationship.

But you know what I mean. You know what I'm saying? What did you think about Katie Holmes overall in this? So on rewatch, I liked her better than I used to. It used to bother me more. I think I've kind of like digested and accepted it. It is very tricky because there's a certain nest to Michael Kane, Morgan Freeman, Liam, Neese, and Christian Bale. There's a certain, I don't know, season theatricality. There's something very, like, grandiose about their acting. And that doesn't just, you know, besmirch Katie Holmes's, but Katie Holmes's acting does feel like it's in a different movie throughout the film. And it's funny because when they were advertising this, movie, it was when superhero movies were not regarded well. So it was actually like a nickelback song over a rom-com. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. I remember that. It's literally a rom-com. And they made it a Katie Holmes film. They advertised it as Katie Holmes loves back. Yes, they did. And like, so I get why they, they cast her because they're appealing to that market at the time. I think the

reason Maggie Joan Hall replaced her is because they realized they wanted everyone to be at that different, like, style of acting. And so they just made it, like, Maggie John. Hall is that style of acting. So they were just like, okay, we didn't, we didn't have this. Now we do. It is weird, but I think that's why they did it. And I honestly, I prefer Maggie Gillen Hall in the role. So here's a quote. Katie Holmes didn't come back for the dark night because of her packed schedule. According to Business Insider, Nolan really wanted her to come back and was ultimately quite upset when it didn't work out. I mean, I personally, I get, I get what you're saying, Koi, as far as the style that they deliver, I personally thought that between the two of them, that Katie was a little better.

between her and Maggie. So that's the one, for me, the one thing about the dark night when we get to that next week. That throws me off, I guess. I buy Maggie more as a DA is my thing. Like I buy Katie Holmes as a love interest, but I buy Maggie as a DA.

Ding, ding, ding. And that's more important than the love interest part. I agree. And had Maggie Jeline Hall been cast first, it would have been less jarring for me because I think she's great in the role in the second one. But there is a lot. line when she's with Joffrey, she's running around with Joffrey. And she says, I love the job.

Yeah, dude, that's Joffrey, dude. The little kid that's scared she's trying to protect with the gun, that's Joffrey? Yeah, the one that gives the thing, that's Joffrey. That's why his face was just like Joffrey. I didn't catch her. I just like, yo, who this little boy? I mean, he out here, he plays scared really well. I don't know if he's, we were just talking about, because we just interviewed Freddie Stroma for, for peacemaker.

I had told Winston that he's British and we were joking around like it seems like, you know, all the, all the Brits getting the great roles. And it looks like, I think, and I don't know. I think that draw free is British because he's,

he is young kid, nailing that, that accent and to bail is, bail is well. So, Bales, she's got this awesome jolliness to him. Christian Bail's got this like,

yeah, Christian Bail's the opposite of Bruce Wade. Yeah, well, he's not from Kansas City. And he, so he, but anyway,

he, I think bailed, such a great job overall. I can get over the, sometimes the voice, you know, when he was talking to, there was one line where he's talking to Gary Elman, which we should get into after, and nothing is Pat Hingle. Pat Hingle was a

wonderful commissioner Gordon, but by the end of, you know, that last movie, he's like, come on, give me a kiss to Poison Ivy and to, to this. We don't give, no one gives Gordon credit. Without Gordon, Batman loses. He blows up the bridge. And he doesn't do it. And just one,

sorry. That's okay. That's all right. No goofy lines. Like, oh, that's going to hurt in the morning. You know, like none of that stuff is more. He blows up the bridge. He gets excited. He's like, yes. And, and like, oh, the comedy in this is so strong. Like, that's one of the strings of the film is Christian Bales, you know, the double life night jokes. The, there's little subtle jokes that are in universe canon that Bruce Wayne would have somewhat of a sense of humor. Batman wouldn't. And you react to Batman for humor, not at Batman, like about Batman. Like there's so much. great comedy here. Well, like you even said, bringing up Gordon like that in the first place, I think where for me the show Gotham would, like, missed a little bit is the fact that like, I love me some Gordon, but not enough that like I want to just focus on that and not Batman.

But there is a symbiotic relationship with Commissioner Gordon where he's not just a, all right, here's your mission today, Batman, where he's like actually a cop trying to get all of the corruption out of the GCP. his hands are tied he doesn't have it he's he's he wants to he says as much he's like what can do everywhere the scene where he won't take money but he won't rat out dirty cops well that is gordon i love that scene he's like i can't he's like well what can i do no matter what i try he's like he's like even if i wanted to i couldn't tell anybody nobody's gonna listen and then when he when he comes in and puts a stapler to his head and he's just like he's like what do you think he thinks he's like he he says to him i think you're trying to help and he he knows he understands

It's that it's that whole relationship that we always knew why Gordon and Batman had this strong relationship. You saw the formation of that and you see the formation of it. And the reason why he likes him so much is because of how kind he is to him after his parents die. And he gives him the jacket and he takes care of him. And it's like he's like this pseudo father figure kind of, although Alfred really serves. I was going to say kind of like an uncle. Like that's the one thing that Gordon that Gordon always read to me is like an uncle to Bruce in that regard. and, you know, obviously he doesn't know at first that Bruce is Batman,

but eventually when he connects the dots in different mediums, you know, you can kind of see it where he's like, I get it. Like this little boy that I took care of. Like, I mean, there's a grown-ass man and he's doing what needs to be done. I think this movie does the father figure thing really well. So you've got a father figure in Liam Mason when he's an adolescence when he's full of rage. You've got the father figure in Alfred, but he's disappointed in him because he doesn't like the way he's turning out. So he's got to prove himself to Alfred.

And the father figure in Alfred is proving about the worth of family. family about all the things about Wayne Manor, all the things about the Wayne name, all the integrity of being Wayne. You've also got the father figure in Commissioner Gordon in that more uncle's sense, but in that like, this is right and wrong. These are all the things to do. So you've got all of these great dynamics with a very young impressionable Bruce Wayne at different stages in his adolescence and in different levels of power in Batmanhood. Actually, Coy, it's Sergeant Gordon. Oh, excuse me, he's not yet commissioner. Thank you for thank you for playing Loeb is still alive.

That's right. When we face each other Schmowdown, Winston. Pauli, why did you think that he was the commissioner already? I wish I knew. Also, we haven't talked about, I think, the MVP of this movie that doesn't get enough credit. Morgan Freeman. I was just going to say, well, that was my next question. My next question is, so Lucius Fox, character, you're made up.

Character in the comics. He's a tech Alfred. Okay, okay, because I didn't, I, again, I'm not, I am not, that's why I have these two. gentlemen here. I don't know enough about it all. I know is Morgan Freeman fits this role tremendously. And you knew from the beginning when Rutger Howard, oh man, when Rutger Howard was in this also, but Rutger Howard is tell, you knew something was up. When he tells Bruce, I'm sorry, I know you're back and everything, but we're making the company public. How do you feel about that? And he's like, that's cool, but I just want a job. And he's like, all right, he's not going

to bother me? Cool. All right. Yeah. You know that Bruce has something in his sleeve, you know, and by an RIP to the great Rucker Howard, by the way. But, but, you know, but Bruce has some of his sleeve at the very end when he puts Lucius Fox in there. And he's like, yeah, when public, he said, we can talk about one public.

He said, yeah, bought a majority of the shares. So peace out, mother up. And there's so many great callback lines like the, that's very complicated. You didn't get the memo.

Didn't you get the memo? It was great. And I love Lucius Fox. And I love the, and I even, even when he says, like, the way I look at it, man,

this is all yours. Do whatever you want. to do with it. I don't care. He's like, just don't consider me a fool. There's so much good dialogue. He's like, come on. And it. And Lunking. Yes. Yeah. And when, and Bruce

is like, all right. All right. You're, you're in on it. That's cool. And I thought that the stuff that they used with the way they used Scarecrow and the toxins and the way that they played that at the end, even though it's hilarious when he gets shot in the face with the, because he's a dude. Like, I love that Scarecrow has this great

arc building up to like that scary, the flames coming out and the like baggots and all that stuff, but he's still a dude, so he gets tased and squeals running away. It's amazing. Hilarious when he's just like, it's just like, ah, I also think that's a strength of this trilogy is that Scarecrow's in all three of them, and he has a chance to have this arc where his Marvel kills their villains too quickly. I like that Scarecrow is this constant, like, underpinning force.

I also like, like, Killion Murphy was one of the top four choices for Bruce Wayne, and then Christian Bale got it because he's got a foot on him and the build. But, like, he's way more Batman, but Chris Nolan was so impressed with Killian Murphy, he gave him the scarecrow part. I love that he did. There were a few guarantees in general when you knew that this was coming. You knew that you said, okay, well, if you're getting, when you see the trailer, whether you see that Romantic comedy trailer or not, you guarantee that you're going to get a more, a darker Batman. You guarantee that you're going to get really good performances.

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all right here we go how's it going Winston you're right I'm chilling I do you know I'm just looking over here there there's a bin of did you did you guys ever do mess with the Disney infinity or whatever it was what's that no oh back what is that before the it was it was like a video game thing where they had little figurines and all that yes yes yes I have a whole bunch of them that I got from when I covered Civil War that I never open and I should I don't know I was trying to see if the once you start talking trash about the cowboys I tuned out and was like let me see if I can make any money off of the well if I could make money off them I don't I don't know well that's nice um you know what was something else I was gonna say about

um shoot I had it I forgot what it was darkness trailer I was gonna talk about the bat suit because I think this bat suit even though we can't turn his head might be better than the dark night bat suit to talk about like comparisons I like the look of this suit a lot I do too and I wonder when you and I wonder because everyone you talked to, whether it was Val Kilmer, Keaton, Clooney, all said that that suit that they had was they couldn't even move in it. I wonder, I wonder how Bale felt about it. Well, that was a big thing for the second one is he wanted to come back. He loved doing it, but he really wanted Batman to feel like he could fight and move.

And you can tell him some of the fights he's throwing long. He's throwing haymakers because his elbows don't bend. Like he's doing fight things in the suit. Whereas I do think that Pattinson's suit might be the best of all worlds. versatility, mobility, brutality. It looks like a marksman suit. It looks like it can protect you. But I do feel like this is a great step from Kilmer and Batnipples to where we land now.

Like I think this bat. I like this bat suit a little bit more than the night, to be honest. Can I, can I have my one gripe about this film that I think gets me is stealth mode on the Batmobile, which literally he just turned his lights off for a second? And they go, huh? Where did he go? doesn't have lights anymore. And then he goes, there he is, and does the lights turn back on it, he takes off.

But that's the same. That's the same as like, you know, as the same before with, you got to let certain things go, right? But is that scene in general. That scene is awesome. That chase is amazing. Other than the lights off scene. But like, it's an intense chase. It is. And underweight, by the way. Yeah, but under, but yeah, that guy though that he's talking to,

the underrated is that guy, whoever he is, whether he's just an actor or a friend of Nolan or whoever was was great. And he's like, he's like, who is this guy? Right? Because first of all, that tells you though, when he says that, there's so much meaning in that, it's like, how does this guy, basically what the guy's thinking is, how does he have this tank? This is like, this is like not just some random weirdo like taking out. This is like a professional dude who is like, who is he?

Right? And then he's just like, he's not on a highway. He's jumping around on roofs. That guy was great. He basically, he painted such a picture of the first time that everybody started to get a acquainted with what Batman is doing and how he's just, it's a whole, and Gordon says it at the end, he goes, you really started something, man. Like, this is a, this is a very different Gotham that you have created within seconds. I, I love in movies when it is done so subtly that the thoughts

in our brains, someone is narrating, because that's what the scene feels like, bro, he just jumped on the roof. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you have that moment and there's someone in the movie like what the like just going on 100 and that grounds it again because you get an eye line into your experience like this movie does a really good job making it at an 11 like it's almost our reality like Gotham itself I love that on the literal surface is Chicago and other real cities but then you go under into the narrows you literally go underneath the city and there's the the scum and villainy of Gotham and I think it's really balanced with how you perceive Gotham from the outside I love that Wayne towers in the

center because that's something a city would do. It allows for all the plot and elements. It allows for that very James Bond weaponized thing that's going to destroy everything. There's so much of Nolan's love for Bond in this, but it works in our world enough. It feels like Gotham's real. It does. And Tom Wilkinson, by the way, another British actor, plays a great Falcone and does and has the accent down was, it was like, it's not, it's not supposed to be New York because it's Gotham, right? But it's got this, but it has like this East Coast feel to it and you buy it. And I love that scene when they flashback and they show right before Bruce Hall's ass out of town that meeting he has with Falcone. And Falcone basically tells him he calls his dad a punk more or less.

And then what can Bruce do? He can't do anything. He's got to figure a way out. And instead of doing what and that scene when his dad's, what was the killer's name? Joe Chil, the killer. So Joe Chill, when Joe Chill kills. And is that who kills him in the comic books too? Yes, not the Joker.

drove me crazy which I like better this is better because I understand why Burton did it and I get it but like but this it's it's that whole thing of like because he wants revenge and the revenge is taken away from him from the corruption

that he's fight that he wants to fight against the corruption kills Joe Chill because it's walking and that I love that they made it a mob hit like in real life there's like you know those times where someone in the crowd runs up and they owe someone money and they kill the guy for like that was also it made Gotham way more

believable and it allowed the whole Batman myth to feel attainable. Yeah. And I love the horror scene when he first kind of shows up to Falcone and all them when he's, and they got that, where are you? And who are you? I'm here. And the, oh, the plucking out guys on the

on the wharf is so good. Dude, that very, that very first one, where are you here? And speaking of horror, like the scarecrow imagery, like, I don't know how many hallucinations you guys do, but they captured the fear of like how, how when reality kind of warbles around you and like there's that intense anxiety it's really hard to make

a visual out of something that has an emotion that strongly connected to it and that felt like fear on camera it didn't they also do that very well when he first inhabits that the toxins when he's training with raza ghoul and yeah the flower yeah and the flower and he's got like the way that they zoom in on the box and the training in the beginning which i don't want to leave out at all because that stuff is just incredible the stuff that he's doing when he's learning and to call quote unquote is training him and you realize like and the way that it's all set up ken wantonabi you because it's ken wantonabi you you believe it's razzal ghoul you know from the way there's there's two great bait and switches there because du card is a really cool character in the comic books

that does train bruce wayne so all comic fans are like that's the guy and it would make like leam nison would be a great du card and then you've got the bait and switch of ken watenabi who would be a great comic book rachel ghoul so when you have those two get flopped and like that it was just such good writing there's like 10 movies in this movie It was great. And I think Jonathan Nolan wrote it. I believe so. I'm not sure.

And the music, by the way, Hans Zimmer and James Newton Howard. So good. So good. And even though, you know, I love and I said it in a few episodes that I do like when a hero has

consistent music and I always love the Danny Elfman theme. But that's not how it works. So when you have a new franchise and you have to have a new, like the music, the way that it's set up and the way like you can just hear it. And I rewound it and geeked out about three times. when watching it when the commissioner at the time it's just like, we don't have anybody else to send

and then, and the king was flying across with the batmobile and you're like, oh, it is such a fantastic scene and all of it. And I remember thinking when I first saw it. I don't know how the whole water angle plays out if it ties in. And then after watching it this time,

it actually really works. The idea of taking those toxins, putting them in the water and the cops, like, it's not going to do anything. You got to inhale it. And they're like, well, they stole this thing. because they want to break down and it's an overall plan. It's what I love most about really all of these films,

but especially this one, is Batman always, it's never what is on the surface. It's never just, oh, Falcone, the mob boss is behind stuff. It's like, well, oh, the killer was actually tied to that. And he's actually working with this doctor over here, who happens to be scarecrow, who is actually working for Rayshaw, I'll go in the League of Shadows. And that there's always pull, pull the thread, pull the thread.

And it grows through these three films because Scarecrow and Bain, the third film is a great payoff for all this setup. Because there's like an organization always behind it. Exactly. And so that's why even when you realize at first you're like, they stole a microwave, but who can't, why are we watching this? But something clicks in your brain where you're like, well, the water has to go. Oh my God. And because this one's so grounded, they let the build of more and more theatrical. But the end of this film is literally about escalation,

and the Dark Night films escalate. Dark Night Rises, there's actually an alternate couple of scenes in Dark Night Rises where they shot Scarecrow, like the animated series with the stuff coming out of his hands and the full mask. Like, they shot Killian Murphy as Scarecrow. I'm bummed they cut it because that suit looked awesome. But they also had, at the very end, like, the Arkham,

the escaped inmates of Arkham, and they had like all the Batman rides up when Nightwing, yeah, what's up? I remember a big trial. I remember here, because the deleted scenes are on, are on YouTube, aren't they? But we'll get to the third movie. We'll get to the... Yeah, but it's cool that escalation allowed for this to feel like grounded here and then go to that level.

Well, I even like the idea how it all ties in. And as you were mentioning Winston with how everybody is kind of connected ultimately to Rajagul. And it's because, you know, you have Falcone who you think is in charge. And then he's ultimately working for Scarecrow, who's ultimately working for Razaagul. And Scarecrow's... His intentions, he thinks that the intentions are very differently from what they are. And it's, because he is a criminal, it was extortion. And where I always say more or less like Thanos is Razagul, where they have this mission.

They've been doing it for centuries. They want to take out Gotham. And then they just have these different ideals. It's, I don't know, man. This is a real, I've always enjoyed this movie a lot. But that's why I love these rewatches, just because I thought it was fantastic. And something similar that I noticed that I liked in this one that we haven't, we haven't seen so far in any of the Batmans that we watched was when he's starting out before he gets that suit from Morgan Freeman, he's doing the same thing Spider-Man did. He's running around with just a, just a ski mask on.

And that suit, and that suit, you know, the Spelunking suit from, I like that we don't have Bruce Wayne going like, I'm doing this by myself. Alfred's here to give me cake. You've got Alfred being a father figure and running everything and actually being the, he's like the second man. And then you've also got Morgan Freeman. Well, you even have the nod to the fact that there are multiple times where we always think of Batman being like invincible, even though he's like a dude. But there are multiple times where Bruce gets in over his head. And he is calling for Alfred. Oh, yeah.

And you get this moment where he gets the first thing of fear talks and he is out of his mind and he's able to get just enough away. Dude, Michael Kane's face in that scene, like that protecting paternal fear. Oh, yeah. It's great. Jesus, he's so good. Oh, Michael, Michael, Kane. you said Michael Keaton. I was like, wait, what?

The scene in the car in Spider-Man home coming with Michael Keith. Yeah, but you're talking about Koiwin Bail's in the back of the car. Yeah, and he's Batman, but he's bail. And like, there's so much duality. It's totally, he turns back into that little boy when he's on there. He's like, Alfred, help me, right? And he's just, because that's all he's had in his life. And you mentioned that humor earlier and how that humor works really well.

One of the, a line that works really good. There's two lines. It's like, one, he cracks the guy in the back of the head with the golf club. is I hope you're not part of the fire brigade. And then he goes, to do all these push-ups and you can't move this thing? Come on. And I love that.

It shows the character, it shows him, the kind of camaraderie that they have. And what it also does, but we haven't really talked about too much, is that you mentioned how Gotham is a character in this movie, but Wayne Manor is also a character in this movie

from start to finish. And the rebuilding the cave? Come on. But it's Bruce, though, having this from when they show that scene when he says he wants to tear it down right then the juxtaposition towards the end where he's like i want to build it back brick by brick because he's now come full circle because of and also the tutoring from alfred alfred's like look man basically telling him you can do your thing you can do your thing to run around put on the suits

but you got to keep up the facade homie you got to be able and you might have fun doing it but go and do it and then he's like go to your party there are people out there and then And I don't know if they, I don't think they ever address it. When he tells all of them, basically what he's really thinking of them all, and they all leave to protect them, I guess they all forgive him because he's a billionaire,

but he really, there's that newspaper that says like, you know, drunken billionaire burns down. I know, the next movie, the next movie's hanging. But it's exactly that, dude.

It's like he gets, it, it's one of those things where, A, he's a billionaire and B, since he's always kind of put on that facade ever since his parents died. A lot of people are kind of like,

well, poor, Bruce. I mean, yeah, we like Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk destroy the actual planet. They have friends. It's, well, he did lose his parents at a young age. And he does pay for our entire, you know, the cotillion club. So I guess we're just going to have to

deal with it. Probably what it is. I mean, yeah, he's just at that point, but he puts on the facade when he walks in and he's like I'm buying this hotel, he jumps in the pool. That Bruce Wayne comedy. It's great. Hey, sir, it's not about money. Well, I just bought this hotel.

Yeah, I don't know why people don't think he's a good Bruce Wayne because you need to not just be Bruce Wayne when you're with Alfred and be the true self that's evolved through the training. You also need to be public Bruce Wayne, and both of those have to be different from Batman, especially with Katie Holmes saying the, Katie Holmes saying the exposition out loud of like, this is the mask.

That's what I love. We need two brusses so that works. And if what I mean, I feel like Christian Bale's incredible. I do too. And I think that and Rachel, I think that for, the other like Nicole Kimman didn't I don't think she does does she find out that he's Batman I don't think so right everyone everyone but Ellie McPherson oh so Kimbin does know at the very end remember she's the she because uh one you have her you have him tell her right as two-face and riddler kidnapper but then at the end he's like do you save the love of Bruce Wayne's life or Batman's sidekick why in the world would he tell her I wish I knew but but so so she knows knows. All right, Nicole Kidman knows, right? Never mind. I'm thinking that's what I meant. That's what I meant. That's what I meant. Not Clooney. So everybody knows, but the difference is I don't think any of them needed to know, right? Maybe, maybe Vicki Vale. Okay. Vicki, I don't know, Michelle Fifer, I guess, because of the, but I don't know. I just think this one to me made the most sense because of the way that they set up in the beginning of the movie, the relationship as children, the things that they had and the idea, even if she tells us, she tells them. She goes, this is who you are. This is who you are. are and they're running around. There's the people that you're showing that you're scaring the piss out of.

That's who you are right now. But the dude I fell in love with is gone. And that's cool. Maybe I'll come back. We'll see. And that ultimately sets up what happens in the dark night. So I thought it was it's, it's,

they're setting it up. And the arrowhead, man, like what do you get a billionaire? Like, I love that she cared from that whole time. I love what there's so much under. There's so much world building quickly.

That's how this movie can be 10 movies. Well, that's why I do thing. And I understand Nolan's gripe. And I'm glad that he had a gripe that Katie Holmes didn't come back. because even though I don't think she's the strongest actress in the film, I would have preferred. Omar Epps is one of,

I love Omar Epps, but I was bummed when he was playing Willie Mays Hayes in Major League 2, even though Major League 2 stinks. But anytime an actor gets replaced after the first movie, no matter how great they are, it's hard because you've already established that character and you have to then establish them again as a new actor. Because Don Sheetle and Terrence Howard couldn't be more different.

So that's one that's tricky, because I think of Rody as Don Cheadle. So now when I go back and watch the other way, Terrence Howard is like, because we've had like 10 Rodeys. That's the thing. That's the thing. That's 10 Rodees, Don Cheadle,

Rodeys, you know what I'm saying. And that's the difference is that even, but an Iron Man too, you got to separate right away. And it's Iron Man, if there was only two Iron Man movies or even three, like, oh, it was a little jarring. But because he's been in the movies, like 10 of them or whatever it was.

Yeah. I'm absolutely right. Don Cheadle, to me, is Rody. And I don't even think of Ed Norton when I look at the MCU, even though that movie's canon because of the supporting characters. Yeah, I know, right, exactly. So, but it is, it's always jarring and there's always different circumstances as why, but, um, and, and all of those circumstances all got really great actors to, to carry over the role.

But either way, um, so much greatness in this movie, it really is. And I, and I still put the Dark Knight as one of my favorite comic movies of all time. I haven't watched it in probably a few years. So I'm looking forward to watching it again. I do like the setup. Uh, how much do you guys. think, and you might know the answer to this question, they knew the

plan of what they wanted to do for that second movie when they planted that card at the end with the commission. To my knowledge, I think I don't remember specifically what it was. It may

have been Ledger's death, but I thought they had wrapped. I think everything was where they wanted it with the exception of having to hastily bring in Two-Face and kill him. I don't think that they, correct me from wrong, Coy, that wasn't the game plan to immediately have him go full Two-Face. It was just supposed to be the setup, and then that was supposed to be more the third movie,

but for some reason it happened in the second. Am I wrong about that? No, no, there are scenes with Joker and Two-Face in the second. No, no, no. I know that, but I thought it was supposed to be like a, we're teeing it up for then Harvey to be a major player. Of course, it covers me of all things. But I thought I remember reading somewhere that they were teeing up Harvey to become TooFace it by the end of the movie. And then he becomes like that major element of the third one.

But they did. There was talk of they were going to have Heath's Joker in the third film as a different element altogether. Yeah. To my knowledge, the entire structure of Dark Knight remained because Heath actually got to see that opening IMAX sequence. They were finished with the filming. Like they were, the movie was done and shaped as is because they had, they had wrapped, wrapped. And I, like, I'm really looking forward to talking about because Heath's the reason I got into the entertainment industry. So like, there's so much stuff in that that got bad press. Like Heath actually didn't OD. He had prescriptions from two different countries

that they didn't mesh. And he just drowned his own fluids in his sleep because he had pneumonia from filming Parnassas. So there's so many awful things that got carried away because the Joker was the role he was playing and that that character's so problematic because of its fandom. So like that movie had so many rumors about it that weren't true just because it's a Joker movie. So people were like making up myths. But to my knowledge, Joker was supposed to be in the third. Things were supposed to accelerate. Obviously the line about us doing this back and forth forever was an implication of where it was going. I think of the big reason that Bain got brought in was because they wanted a mental psychological evil since they had lost the Joker. But obviously they couldn't do

any of the storylines they were going to do. And I also love that no one respects and loves Heath enough not to try anything. Like someone in Arkham or something, that would have hurt. Right. No, I thought the way that they set it up. And then, like we mentioned earlier, where the other Batman movies from Keaton, the first Keaton,

second Keaton, all them focused on the villains, it's okay for me. I don't know how you guys feel. I mean, obviously, it's regarded as one of the best movies of all time, but like Batman begins, focuses on Bruce, so that way when you get to Dark Night, it's okay to focus on the Joker as much because now we've we've we've we have that we know the origin of Batman and it was set up very well so now we're gonna see his equal and how his equal kind of plays in I would I would make the argument that the first movie and this is where when people are like oh it's the Dark Night such a Joker because I didn't realize that a number of people actually don't like the Dark Night is like people put it as their third film out of the three which I'm kind of shot if you go on Twitter I just happen to say in my opinion I think it's your first mistake no no but I but but I mean but but I mean but I mean

But like even Mike Kalinowski was like he prefers the begins and exhibit egg. Exhibit egg. He's the reason for this. He had said he prefers begins and rises over the dark night. And so, but if you think about it, the first movie is about Bruce slash Batman. The second movie is about the Joker. And then the third movie, honestly, is about Gotham. If we're being real, it's really about Gotham and Bain just fully exposing Gotham to what it is. Yeah.

Like, the, well, you know, you said, though. Well, the first, the first movie's about Bruce to establish it. The second movie's about the push. The third movie's about Gotham. I would say Joker is the element that causes the push, but it's not, like, Joker is the chaos element. And he's only in the movie for like 28.

Like, the runtime is actually very small compared to the screen. Like, he has so much presence. You feel like it's more than Bruce. But he's actually in the movie a lot less than Bruce Batman. Interesting. So, you know, it's, it's Winston, Texas, yesterday when we were getting excited. It was so funny because you can always tell, which we should start. When it's good.

We should start screens sharing our text right before, when somebody's watching, even when it's bad, these little things that are happening as we're all rewatching it. And then it was just like, imagine like the best trip you could go to Vegas where everybody won. That's basically what our text exchange was yesterday about this movie. And Winston said, we've been through so much together. So much. And Winston said it, Winston was like, this is just one of the greatest trilogies. It's like a really, no one really puts it up there.

It's a really good trilogy and without this one setting up, because you know right away the way that this is set up. And remember, we've also talked about it, the budget, let's see what the budget was on this movie, because we've been talking about budgets on movies and box office mojo. And I'm gonna see, I think it's probably, what do we say, it was like $130 million or something for this movie?

It was something reasonable compared to the current world. Mission Impossible seven is $300 million. Yeah, all right. So Batman begins. The budget for this movie. So I got, let's see. It is, it was 150 million. So, and how much do you think this movie made opening weekend?

Opening weekend, 75. Winston? Opening weekend. Maybe only 50. Good call. 48 million. It made 48 million. It made 373 worldwide, right?

So that's, that's an amazing. amount of money to when you have a $48 million being shows you how different the business was back then because it means that what what it seems like happened on that opening weekend was people like, no thanks for Batman because of Batman and Robin, right? And then what happened for those people, those 48 for the people who spent that 48 million, like, no, dude, go see that movie. That's a, this is a different Batman. Repeat viewing word of mouth. It's spreading like wildfire not dumping movies onto streaming right away this was 05 they didn't waste movies on the streaming like HBO max wasn't ruining the culture oh stop it's a crime stealing from my

filmmakers you don't have you don't have children i don't have children you don't have a choice to enjoy my life in cinema 100% way Winston just left yeah y'all could go ahead have this I ain't getting involved I am not I am not involved I'm telling you, man, it's like, I don't want, I mean, the 30, 45 day window, we'll talk about it another time. But either way, this movie made, this movie made $373 million worldwide. So, and remember that 150, and even if it was 250 for marketing and it's still almost $200 million profit, if you will, right? So don't forget that the difference, though, the reason why the costs, a lot of times these costs come from the big, actors and stuff. Bail did not cost that much money back then.

Yeah, this was post-American Psycho. This was pre-I mean, and that's an indie. Like, American Psycho was a tiny budgeted indie. I'm also really like they auditioned a ton of actors. And I feel like Christian Bail is the reason why this Batman exceeded expectations. Like, it would have been good with that entire sporting cast, but Christian Bale is really Batman. Remember, man, he was floating around. He was floating around as Superman at one point. He was floating around a lot. He was, he was in that Warner Brothers system. They wanted to put him in a big franchise for a very very long time. I was just, no, I was just thinking, dude, because like, it's not just that.

The last thing of note, uh, that I'm looking at, I guess maybe equilibrium, but honestly was shaft 2000, bro. Tell you, me. Oh, so like six years. I wonder, because they did deals differently back then. So they probably were hesitant from signing him on for a second one. So I bet you whether he signed on for the sequel or not, I wonder how much they paid him for the second one but so the funny and we'll get more into the the box office of dark night um next week

but what's funny is that if it only it cost 185 to make which is only what thirty five million dollars more but how much do you think this movie the dark night made internationally are worldwide i think it cleared a billion it's it killed it cleared billy it's like 1.5 i think that and that's one of the best profits of all time. But the reason why that's so relevant to Batman begins is because it shows you the quality of what they produced

with this film, with the fact that because of the word of mouth, because of the repeat viewings, because of, oh no, no, no, no, this is the Batman we've been waiting for. I remember sitting, I saw it at like a screening. I was working, I wasn't doing Shmo's yet, but I was, I was working at Warner Brothers. And somebody said, hey, do you want to see the new Batman?

It's like a week before it came out. And I'm like, yeah, all right. I remember thinking, yeah, all right, sure. And I remember, I liked bail. And I, and I remember, and I was like, they knew that Nolan was doing it. I love memento. So I'm curious. I'm curious.

But I wasn't like, I remember hearing that music of Zimmer and Howard and watching the, the Batmobile going on the roof. And I'm like, holy shit, this is awesome. Like this is, this is kind of the Batman I've always, like, thought of. This, this I would say in Spider-Man, the first one back then were, and X-Men, those three. because I didn't catch Blade in theaters. I caught Blade on VHS. So I missed the Blade theatrical window

because I was like 12 and it was R-rated. But this was one of those times that I was like, oh, the thing I love, other people love in a very public setting. Like hearing people cheer in the Batmobile scene, I was like, wait, I might be able to talk about comics. And now 15 years later, it's my job. But it's so cool to not a lot of careers have moments that you remember forever as this is going to change things.

And Batman begins is going to change them. Oh, Winston, he made, so Nolan, made comic book movies I don't want to say cool because X-Men made him cool there's a lot of other times but he made it like real he changed it he did change the face of it and people the way the people talked about it

and that you can I think within the studio system for sure that you don't have to put Jim Carrey in a question mark outfit and have him like dancing around and goofing around in order to make a successful comedy movie you don't have to rely on a star you can take the gritty stuff and you can make

comic book movies serious and you can can take those moments that why comic book fans in the first place really invested because there's this wrong perception of comic books that was like, oh, well, it's just pictures and things. So if you're 30 years old, 40 years old reading comic books, then you haven't grown up yet. And this was that, no, no, no, there's so much stuff inside of comic books that you guys aren't understanding. It's, it's, what it feels like happened is it feels like Nolan went and looked at a couple

of things specifically. and one of them ironically is the Batman the Animated Series, whether he was looking at the Mask of the Fantasem or he was looking at some of the early like season one or season two episodes before it went, it kind of had more of a kid, can't feel as it went on. But some of those very first episodes of Batman the animated series

is like gritty and real. And I think he saw that styling and he was like, I want to figure out how could this happen in the real world? and that became his focus the entire time. I mean, hell, the fact that he even focused on the philanthropy part of Thomas Wayne, which is a big deal on the train, and then made the train a central element of the film. He just,

he found these through lines that made this such a human realistic tool. You got to get props to John Cunolan. And critics dug it. Like, that was the thing. It was like, this is an Ebert and Roper two thumbs up. People back then were like, oh, what did Ciskel and Ebert think? What did Eber think? That was like a part of it to get those people who hated comic books.

movies onto its side was a huge asset. So great, so great point to make here, Corey. So what do we guess the Batman and Robin tomato meter was? Oh, 20s. Is this for, this is for critics, not for audience, but for, for critics, you say 40s. Try 12. Wow. 12, okay, so now, now we go, now we go Batman begins.

And what do we think Batman begins? 90s. Of course, says 91. Winston. Winston's on fire to 84%. Audience score for Batman. Box office and RT scores wins.

Hey man, favorite trilogy all time. Maybe I don't want to play in this mode. And you shouldn't, but this is the number. This is the number for audience that is really important and the reason why that 48 million

turned into three or 400 million, whatever it was, 94% from audience. Wow. Wow. That's 250. I'll tell you in a second. So Batman begins those reviews at 84%.

287 reviews. Okay. The audience score 250,000 ratings. So if that tells you anything. Now, as far as, see, the dark night, the dark night, what do you think the dark night is? Critics, it's got to be in the 90s.

I would say maybe in 93. I'm going to go a little higher. Winston again 94% and let's go. And audience score though the exact same at 94. Wow, that's that's rare. It made so much money. It made so much money and you got an Oscar out of it. There was no way that it wasn't.

Oh my God. Oh my God. I love the full body jiggle. Like I want to be that happy. That is it's like it's and what he's doing now when I take him on walks. So for those audio listeners, we got the dude in. here. And he, you stop, pig. And he, you know, when he walks

now, he sees people and he just, he doesn't have a mean bone in his body. But what he does is he screams. He just, he'll be walking down and like, ha! Ha! Ha! He was making a face when you do it. Dude, he's just, there's no bones.

Bro, he's a chunk now. Look at him. Yeah, he's a beast. Oh, that's great. It's very photogenic, too. He has. He looks good in camera. He's, dude. I love little pugs and puggles and stuff like that. I just know that they have such breathing issues just because of their breathing.

Like does he sound like he's always doing sleep apnea when he's wide awake? He's like, I mean, he's okay right now because he's only like seven or eight months, but they do get that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I also like, you got to think of the timing of this movie. This was 05. So this was X-Men the last stand.

This was Spider-Man 3. Right, right. Things weren't going great. Spider-Man 3 was 2007. But so, sorry, in this range. So, Spiderman 2 pre-Spoteman 3. But like comic book movies weren't regarded. No, no, no, it was like the champ, right? It was, it was, it became, it started to switch it up. I mean, even Spider-Man 2, which I know we've had our debates about it.

It's got a lot of camp in it. You can't really deny that. There's some great moments in it. But, but this movie is just, it's a different, it shows you, and that's exactly why the Dark Night got to it, it showed you that if movies are done this way, you could be in a, you could start talking Academy Awards. That's interesting because begins 05. 06, I think's last stand. 07, Spider-Man 3, 08, Dark Night. So this is like Marvel's drowning while D.C. is thriving.

Yeah, the MCU doesn't, well, it starts, it starts... The MCU starts in 2008 because of this, I agree. I think begins the reason we got Iron Man. It comes out first, doesn't it? Iron Man drops before. It comes out in May of 08, and people are like, whoa, right? And then, but then the funny thing is, we still revere Iron Man, and we give it its props.

But nobody, if you think of it in terms of 08, nobody gives a shit because of what the Dark Knight does. It still was the champion of the, that's the movie that had all the hype behind. It just happened that it's an iconic, it's an iconic year for the MCU because of it dropping. But yeah, it was the Dark Night for so many different reasons. But it was,

oh, and Hulk was that year too. Yeah, I was going to say, and then Hulk quietly came out through months later, like, and one day we'll talk about that too, because that's, if Hulk drops at a different time, and it wasn't one of the first ones, out the gate, it does much better than it. I happen to really love that movie.

I'm a big of the North and the Norton Hulk sequel script is some of the stuff they talked about. Those ideas are some of the best I've heard. Yeah, I think that's why they're also shy about doing another one. That's why they'll probably cover more of that in Sheeholt. But that's a different show. MCU rewatch. Let's do it. 34 properties. Oh my God.

We'll be, well, you guys will be getting paid for a long time. I'll tell you that. And that's smart. I like what you're doing there. I was right there. Just the guys want to do two a week. Let's do two a week. Let's do a week.

We'd be able to do like four a week for like five years. All right. Ladies and gentlemen, the Batman begins. It was really, really good. And why didn't we start with this one? I wish I knew. Yeah, fair enough. So we do remember for those people who are wondering, yes,

Vasca Fantas, you know what? Actually, this is not a bad idea. Maybe. After the Batman? For March. No, for March. Why don't we do? Because we don't, so February, we just put out the thing exclusive for a Patreon.

I've never seen Mask of Fantasim. So, dude. So why don't we do that for the March rewatch? And the three of us can do that for Patreon. It's incredible. Yes.

Happy to. That's what we'll do. So that because people have been asking for us to do that because we can't cover everything because the Batman is coming up really, really soon. We will be doing a spoiler. Bless you.

Spoiler heavy episode on this show like we did for Spider-Man. that will happen. The good news, 95% sure that this is a dark night we will be doing back in studio. So that's the, that's the, that's the go next. So next week, we're hoping to get this back in studio and we'll start kind of gradually doing, doing big thing episodes in studio for now. And I got uncharted. I'm going to see next week. So we'll have that review up. Don't forget, please check out the Freddie Stroma interview. If you're peacemaker fan, you should check that out for sure. show a little class. Will you subscribe and hit the notification button just announced. It's all we're asking for. And don't forget about the Patreon, the links in the description. And podcasts everywhere podcasts are, please go and do that. And for Winston Marshall, Winston A Marshall, Corey Janrew and me, myself, this is the show. I wish I knew why you weren't subscribed already. And here we go. Let us get down and dirty to the intro, the outro, whatever this is. Peace out, Mother Fass.