The Kristian Harloff Show - REWATCH! Batman & Robin (1997)

Episode Date: February 4, 2022

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I mean, it's terrible. it's terrible it's like getting sitting down somewhere and you don't realize they're like 53 tax just sharp as hell and they all just crack you in the nutbag at the same time and they and it just keeps going and going and going and then someone just like farts in your face when you're like wince down in pain. It's, it's, it's, it's not good. It's not good. Hey, everybody, it's the rewatch series and it is Batman and Robin.

Gavish. He's gavish. I don't care how many times this guy goes ahead and says this. That's not what I wanted them to say, you stupid roadcaster. Apologies. Apologies. You can apologize for this movie as much as you want. It's a different franchise.

It's Batman and Robin. And what we're doing, if you're, joining us for the first time is we are we're going through the because the batman's coming out with robert patinson matt reeves directing so we had the brilliant idea of doing all the rewatches saying oh we'll be able to get through all these this was tough man took me a few days to do it but we did it's batman and robin we got to it the jell schumacher um what's the the classy word for it shit fest and so we we we um we watched that but we're getting into nolan so i guess this is like something but now we're almost there we're doing it it's george cluner

It's Alicia Silverstone, Arnold Schwarzenegger. I'm not doing it yet. Do it later. And a couple other things. But before we even get into it with Corey Jan Drew and Winston Marshall, show a little bit of class. Well, yeah, just announce. Just a little. That's all we're asking for.

You guys are catching on. I'm seeing people now if they just find it for the first time. You know what? I'm tired of this guy telling me to show some class. I'm just going to show a little. And then you guys are doing it. You're showing a little class. You're subscribing.

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Coy has no idea what's going on. Sure, Coy, I had an edible. What are you talking about? All right, here we go. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm just kidding. I didn't. Or did I? We're going to figure it out in just a moment.

Let's talk about it. It's Batman and Robin. It's the big thing. This whole movie is an edible, everybody. It is Matt Man, Matt Man and Marvin. Matt Man and Marvin. It's Batman and Robin. And it is the big thing.

And look at these characters. Look at these characters. There. Winston Marshall. Corey's Andrew. Oh, wait, hold on. You tell me a second. Winston. Go ahead. I was just so concerned. Quoie was doing Blackface for a second because he was off in that right corner. I was so concerned. I just got canceled in real time.

It just happened. I don't even touching that. All right. So we are getting into Batman and Robin. And I don't know why anybody touched this movie. I'll tell you that. Because this is, I was texting with John Roker last night. He was telling me how funny Jackie.

ass was. I didn't have a chance to see it because I'm almost getting back to the theater. And that's another announcement. I guess I can tell everybody here to myself, Winston and Corey, we should be back in studio for the dark night. So that's what we're hoping for. So once that happens, we should be in studio. But Roku was telling me how it was. Yeah, I didn't go yet. I said, this is how I'm spending my night. And I took pictures of Batman and Robin. He was, yeah, man, those rewashes can be brutal. And up into this point, even Batman returns. Like I didn't, I, I, I wasn't like, oh, why did I choose this, this career?

This was one of those, this was one of those movies, man. This is got that real for you? Dude, this movie's terrible. I'm not saying it's not, but I didn't realize you started contemplating a whole life. You got to watch this? Dude, it took me, it took me days to watch this. And it felt like months. It felt like months.

I watched it twice. I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why. Because when I started it, I've just, I'm suicidal, bro. It's just because I've, okay, well, I apologize. This is this rude to me. But my point is, I started it while I was just randomly like playing a halo. I was like, it can be on in the background. I've seen this movie 20 or 30 times because as a kid, as a kid for some reason, I thought it was great. As a grown ass man. Because you were a kid. Right. As a grown-ass man, this is one of the worst. Like, I'm looking at 97. It's best at times, worst at times. Like, you know, you had stuff like Jackie Brown and Eves Bayou and liar, liar.

Game. The game with my... Exactly. Hell, even the first Austin Powers came out that year, bro. Like, it was an incredible time for films. We were one year for late. Right. Yeah.

Spawn. I don't know not everybody loves Spawn, but I love Spawn. And then you have things like steel. Well, the HBO series of Spawn certainly was out at that point. And that was that was like groundbreaking television, very underrated television. But yeah, I get your point. And this. Then you have steel, Mortal Kombat Annihilation and God help us Batman and fucking Robin. There's one. Listen to me. This is a really bad movie. And when you, what I will say though, when when, and anytime George Clooney talks about this. movie, he apologizes for it, right? And I just watched an interview with him where he was like, he said, I single-handedly ruined the franchise. What I will say about George Clooney, he did nothing wrong. George Clooney did nothing wrong.

George Clooney is trying so hard in this movie to do anything. Like, at one point, I was watching him in the scene. He's like legit acting. I go, George, just stop. Just stop. There's no reason to try. It's like, it was, and he's a good actor. And he was doing this one particular scene.

He was really investing in it. And I'm like, cut it out. Just stop it. Because no one else is. No, Uma Thurman, who I love, she's got no idea what she's doing in this movie. She's like, she's doing like an old-timey, like 1930s. She's got like a transatlantic accent that comes and goes.

Yeah, it's so. All right, boys. Now hurry up. Here comes the pause and, well. But it's because she went full Batman 66. That's the thing. Her and her and Arnold went full Batman 66. Oh, Arnold for sure.

All right, everyone. Chill. Chill. I feel bad. I feel bad that George Clooney invested, as, like you said, because him and Val Kilmer both had scenes that, like, you saw their work. But for some reason, he didn't do, like, his Bruce Wayne was, like, charming and happy. Like, he wasn't broken at any point. I was like, it seems like it's pretty nice to be Bruce Wayne.

He was George Clooney. He wasn't, like, Val Kilmer and Michael Key. eating, they had demons. Yeah, George Clooney had George Clooney. He's George Clooney, and he is, but he also has, that's, that's because they've given nothing to do in this movie. The movie is, is just a complete, just one liner after one liner after stupid commercial thing with the, the bat card and the dumb line.

None of the jokes are funny. I mean, they're so stupid. Like, the Jim Carrey, at least, and by the way, Batman Forever is like the godfather compared to this movie. Because, like, and I just, after watching it and, and I will also say, and bad Batman Returns is a masterpiece compared to this movie. And everything about it is just so bad. And it's not even like so bad it's fun to watch.

It just keeps getting worse and worse and the stupid things that are happening throughout. And Arnold running around with a tin can on his head the whole time. And there's no explanation to anything. Like so we see this is freeze and he was and he's trying to cure his wife and he fell into a vat of things like every other villain that we've had in the past. And we're also going to lead with him in the poster because it's Arnold. And we've led with every other villain except the main Batman. But we don't know why he's bad. He just because he froze his face.

And now he's trying to. He didn't do anything else. He just froze his face. And now he's ruthless. And the same thing of poison ivy. She's good. She wants to help. And then some guy tries to bury her in the sand.

And we're going back to the catwoman story. And now she wants to take over the entire Gotham. And now she's completely evil. Why? What? Stupid. It's the stretch of like her wanting to, save the planet at the cost of humanity is like two lines of dialogue poorly delivered.

Yeah. And they like let her play a melodramatic 11 for two hours. The movie also, you're being generous. 11. Yeah, that's fair. It's like a 52. But the movie's also two and a half hours. Like it's so long.

It's, I don't think it's that long, but it's, but it's long. It's over, it's over two hours. Even if it's two hours, five.

Fine. That's, that is, that is 35 minutes too long. This, if venom can, an hour and a half. This movie can be an hour and a half.

Can I get, yeah. Can I give George Clooney one compliment for this? He is the most Bruce Wayne looking individual out of every single person cast because Bruce Wayne is supposed to still have that kind of

suave playboy look and he looks the most like Bruce Wayne out of anybody that has been cast so far. It is. And what's so funny is that every movie they just disregard any other love interest that he had. Now he's in love with Elle McPherson and where she comes out of she comes out of nowhere. That's what

they did throughout this entire movie. Whoever was really popular at the time, they turned out. Coalio's in there. I forgot Coalio was in there. Jesse Ventura is in there, which I didn't, at one point. And that's the height of him kind of being the governor of Minnesota and all that.

So, I mean, there's just a couple of governors hanging out with Batman. I'm not going to complain about Vivigate Fox's outfit, though. I'll tell you that. Yeah. I'll tell you that. And when she shut up, I was like, thank you. And then everyone in the movie, like this, it's like, because you have George Clooney, again, who's trying to act serious in the scenes and the Alfred storyline of where it's going.

The second, it's ruined, though, because as Alfred is, they're playing up, Alfred, he's, Michael's been with us since the beginning here, and now he's going to, now they're going to crap him out. And then at one line, they go, oh, yeah, but a free stride to save his wife. And then we just got to get that, like, I's in a little, you know, it's like, they're trying, like, and they're like, it's a rare disease, blah, blah, blah. Oh, Alfred's got that same one, though. Right.

Right. It's a rare disease, and we just happen to find that Alfred has. It's like, it worked that he was just getting old. He's just getting old. And, you know, and Alfred was going to crap out. It was like, give this guy his out and don't make another one of these movies. And thank goodness that didn't happen. And you said it last week, Coy, what an abomination of a travesty of what they did to Bain in this.

It's so bad. muttering and just saying single syllables. He's as smart as Batman or smarter. Exche work. Cookie. It's painful. And the Super Soldier serum? Come on, bring in the pain.

And then you bring in the timing. And the next thing you do I freeze you and I make a joke. Ha ha ha, funny pun. Ah, look in the, uh-oh, here comes the crew of Seder. What do I say next, Mr. Schumacher? Whatever I want to. I'm Arnold. He's 1997.

I'm starting to decline just a little bit. But not now. and I'm going to be in the big movie and they're going to put my face on it. Ha ha! Come on, Robin. Look at you. Chris O'Donnell, stop whining. That's all you're doing. You're whining. You're not funny. You're like Anakin Skywalker. You didn't complain about the sand next.

Or they don't worry about it. Give me the death kiss. Ha, ha, ha, all of the nonsense. Hey, man, look. That was better at the movie. Look. It was better than the movie. But I will give a little bit of credit. They're bad 60s one-liners, but they're some of the best I've ever heard in my life.

It's so stupid. saying stupid shit like what killed the dinosaurs the eyesade i'm gonna look i'm gonna see if i can find all of arnold's one-liners and i will do them if i can find all these and call me in the morning like that at the very end when he's giving them the cure uh oh my god dude i hate i hate some people interrupt the movie like just oh awful mr free's puns from batman and robin is the order It's so bad. You're not sending me to the cooler. That's one.

The Iceman cometh. There's one. A cool bird boy. There's one. All right, everyone. Chill. There's one. Cool party.

Allow me to break the ice. Adam and evil. night hell freezes over night's forecast a freeze is coming let's kick some ice I mean come on that's awful let's kick some ice Winston let's kick that wasn't even him though that wasn't him that was that was that was Robin said it

about about it but like he said it too he said it too yeah oh did he okay well okay I say it in the sense that if you are going under the guy of this is 66 shit that is some of the great it like that's better than any pun that anything ever came out of 66 okay but here's the main thing too i know you're not the movie i know you're just saying what it is but like so so 66 to 89 with a mixture of with a mixture of burton a little bit of the 66 flare and a little a little bit of something different makes for a good batman movie i agree The second Batman movie. A lot of Burton, a little more 66 flair.

Still, understand why some people really enjoy the movie. The third movie, trying to get a storyline, especially when you see the deleted scenes, and then we're in, you know, and we're in 95, so people are starting to get away from the goofiness, but it still, it still plays because you put the big movie star in there, right? 97, with Arnold's kind of falling, and people, and the reason why Arnold became super famous was because he was a bad. badass and in the commandos and the total recall. Seeing him play this goofy stuff. It's,

it, yeah, jingle all the way is for kids and stuff. They love it in certain things, but the twins and, sure. But as a villain in Batman, and then you up the 66 Batman,

you like a hundred plus the fact. It is now, what, 30 years removed? Terrible formula to just sell toys. And there's no, no mystery or why this exploded in their faces.

No, I mean, I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised at all. It's, it has all the things that we hate the most about bad superhero films. If anything, it makes, like you said it made forever look like the godfather.

It makes Spider-Man 3 look like, you know, Citizen Kane or something like that, bro. Like, it's, we said that exactly, because when we watched Spider-Man 3,

we looked at that movie, and there was a lot of good stuff in there. It was just, it was too much going on. It was messy stuff. There were certain scenes that didn't work. This is just, like, sloppy. Like, we said that last week was just fast food with no feeling. This is, like, putting Ajax in your blood.

This is just, this is eating, like, cleaning fluid. I can't say, like, many positive things about this movie, and that's so rare. Like, I can always find something. You always find something. Like, it's bad. Like, I was shocked that it held. up worse than I remembered and that it was more painful. Like I,

the only thing I can think is the gift that this gave us was Batman Begins, that we got out of this track, because they might have kept Batman campy. They might have kept Batman silly, and they went so far, they were like, okay, this character's dead.

We have to revive him brand new. But what I'm curious about is, like, people in the comments, like, I know a lot of people that love this movie unironically. Really? What is their take?

Because it's just my perspective is, I'm going to guess. I'm going to guess it's the same thing Winston said before. they just have an emotional attachment to it when they probably saw it when they were five years old and when you're five years old if i showed this to my five year old she sees four-year-old she sees batman running around all she sees as a superhero with the way she's not paying attention to to one-liners and how i mean winston said it perfectly he was he was a young kid and he just saw batman and robin together running and now he looks at it and he and he realizes this is a this is a piece of garbage it's just i was obsessed in this movie my dad was always like it's not that good like because my dad's been comic book got that's how i'm comics. My dad would always be like, uh, and I remember now him being like very patient in watching

it a hundred times. I'm like, I put this man through trauma. The thing I did. You did. You did. Because like last night when I like all the other movies that we watched, all the other ones, including Batman Returns. I said, I can see myself probably watching this again eventually if I have to. I'll, I'll, I'll fight you. You make me that. I don't ever want to see this movie ever again. It is so bad and it's like it's just so bad and it's the the from the writing and everything and what it was and I don't blame Joel Schumacher for it. I really don't. Same thing that I said last week. He's talked about it many times in interviews where he was told go bigger. Go bigger. Sell merchandise. Sell toys. Go bigger. Make it more goofy. So I put in those silly sound effects. And Arnold Schwarzenegger, his his crew was so stupid. Hey boss. Hey boss. Oh, oh, shout to a hate it when they talk to the movie. Like it's like, oh. And everything is the Disney on ice sketch.

Like everything is like either it's a trapeze spectacle of jungle or it's on ice. Like it's bad. But I'm happy. I'm happy for. I'm glad it happened because as you said, if you didn't, you don't get the Nolan Batman. You have to hit complete rock bottom. And that's essentially what ends up happening with this. But I mean, yeah, no, everything.

Like, I think that moment where you realize that you're dealing with the whole jumping of the shark and the bat shark repelette is the very beginning, you know, they're, fighting the goons. There's this weird scene where all the goons are skating around and they're doing this weird thing where they're flipping their capes back and forth looking around like, oh my God, oh my God. And then all of a sudden they go, they throw some dudes. They kick their feet together and ice skates pop out. And then he goes, you get the ice, I'll get the ice man. And I was like, oh, so this is, this is literally what we're doing. They tell you, to be fair, they tell you right away what this is. And are we going to talk about the fact that Batman legit tries to kill Robin in this movie? Like they're skating. They're shooting down after freezes. I can make the jump. I can make it. He's like, no,

you can't do it. He's like, I can make it. You're going really fast. I can make it. Okay. Yeah, I don't want you to make it.

So I'm just going to stop your engines with nothing to brace you and just hope that you survive. You could have killed them. I know you're getting off a giant finger. It's like precarious on all sides. It's very like, and it's the weird escalation of the first movie. Like,

this repeats itself so many times. The I don't trust Robin. we've got to be a partner that's the whole first movies connection between two of them and then there's like three times in this movie where they had the epiphany that umma thurman's trying to kill them like they keep over and over again the amount of times that it's like hey she's trying to separate us they that's three different set pieces and that's another thing that the detective clever batman is just not there is he's just he's just like oh well i noticed that that she that people were starting to really uh she was enticing everybody and seducing them and it's and and he's like

Oh, you just, you're right. The stupid fights between the two of them. And I like Chris O'Donnell. He is going. Chris O'Donnell is so obnoxious in this movie. He is not likable. And dude, stop putting your arm around a back girl every time she's around Alfred and feeling sad.

He's just like, give me. It's like, get out of the, you creep. Let her be. Yeah, he was a really aggressively creeping towards Silverstone, the whole movie. A whole movie. And then why is Alicia Silverstone?

And first of all, isn't, and Corey or and Winston, back girl, isn't she? she Barbara Gordon? Isn't she? Yes. What she's... They read connet. They read convent to make it. But same guy as she's useless in the films, they mean her. Yeah. Alfred's.

Yeah, it's, yeah, it was, um, yeah, all that was, I'm, it was dumb and the fact that how she just becomes, that's my favorite. My favorite is that she's the computer was at the end, right? She's like, she's the one that has to be girls. True to Barbara. That's, they mentioned it up front. They say she's at college for computer science. Fine, fine, but, but, but, but,

And then she figures out the password after 75 tries. She's the opposite of a hacker. She didn't really plugged and played for 75 tries. Just guessing it. It's like, it's like just. Batman. Yeah, just hack into it. Oh, my God.

And then Bain from out from deep court. Hacking. If you can reroute satellites, you should be able to get into even Batman's computer. Easily. And then the scientist gag. at the end. We're having it. It's one of those days. It's like it's so 66 Batman, but it's like so out out of touch. And it's really and I would love to do a deep dive into like who was running the

studio at that time because it is it is so it is absolutely the reason why this movie is the way it is because there's no world where Joel Schumacher is, you know what I really want to do? Instead of doing the dark Batman and you can see it. Because if you watch the deleted scenes from Batman forever, you can see what he wanted. to do. And he's like, you know what I should do? I should just make this completely ridiculous and have no soul whatsoever. He's not, that's not the kind of director at Joe Schumacherase. If it was you bowl or somebody, sure, but not him. And so it was the studio executive sitting around trying to make money because they said, well, it worked last time. We went away from that Burton version.

We made so much money. Let's go away. Let's go even further. They liked the change in tone. So maybe they want it. Maybe it shouldn't be too serious at all. Maybe it should be completely goofy like the 66 Batman. I love that as a kid. I love that as a kid. He's probably like 60 year old, whatever he was, whoever the head of the studio was at the time making those decisions. And he, you know, and completely grenade in the puddle. The moment Robin burst through the wall on the motorcycle and it somehow shaped a Robin silhouette. I was done. How would like what, how does that occur? Like what causes in, in any way that's happened? Even, I get that there's got a suspensive disbelief, but like he kicks

freeze and the gun goes floo, floo, floo, flip, flip, flip, flip, and perfectly lands in this one spot. Like, I just Yeah, and then they kept cutting back to the Robin silhouette. He kept like posing in front of it. I was like, we get the joke. It's not a good joke. It's not working. And here's

another thing. Who's the creepy weirdo that's just following around Mr. Freeze and his wife, why he's in his living room putting something on it on her chest and there's somebody videotaping it. Who's doing that? I thought that was the wedding video. Not that part of it. There's parts of it.

He's footed where he's just putting stuff in there. And it's like, who's the creepy guy walking around filming him in his house? He's everywhere. That was Vivit Gay Fox. She was always just trying to get involved with the two of them. Yeah, I mean, look, that's not the Arnold. That's not the Arnold I know. The eating is not cheating.

I forgot about that. Best line of all time. Eating is not cheating. Oh, Jesus. Oh, Arnold. But, man, yeah, it's like, I remember being excited that Arnold, because I would love Arnold, man. I remember being excited that he was going to be in it and thinking, like, because the comparison always is like what Jack Nicholson did as Joker.

You're like, oh, man, Arnold's going to be like a badass villain. And look what he did with Terminator. And it's just like, he's just plucked out of a Saturday morning cartoon. I mean, so, so goofy. So stupid. And somehow, Uma's worse. And somehow, Bain is worse. Like it's just how is it that turduckin of crap?

I agree with you. I think that you're right. It's as much I got to a place where, and I, and Ouma Thurman is one of my favorites. I love Ouma Thurman. And when she, but I got to a place in this movie every time she showed up now, I was like, just put Arnold back on. At least. That's a lot.

Like at least Arnold's almost so bad. It's good. But at no point was Oma entertaining in that transatlantic weird. And like her character in the comic book, her character is, is compassionate. towards the planet and that doesn't really show you. Right. Why would you team up with freeze who is literally attempting to freeze all of Gotham? Right. Why the fuck would you do that?

I'm sorry, that was number two. But why would you do that if that is the whole situation that you're trying to work out is I'm trying to save the planet and he's literally going to destroy it. He's going to destroy it so he can save his wife. That seems the complete polar opposite. I guess I guess the argument is that's why she tried to kill his. wife and then they don't even really explain it and the fact i it's one of my biggest tropes that i hate in movies is when the villains caught on camera on audio and that's how i got you that's how i got you that's twice now you did it with penguin you got him or recording all right

they pulled stuff they pulled stuff in every movie it's a lot from batman returns the catwoman story it's the the the poison navy is the very bad version of the catwoman story she just gets sucked into the ground and somehow comes back and has all this stuff and they don't even tell you like how it was. So like anybody could have fallen into that thing and then come back the same way. Like what? And then the whole the whole fact that, you know, this guy is who was he talking to by the way, the scientist?

Who was he talking to? He's like, oh, you want Bain? You're going to get Bain. Remember he was talking to somebody? Yeah, who the mystery buyer was. If I had to guess. Like I like to, exactly. I like to put something positive on things when they leave an opening.

And I just said it was Lex Luther. Which would be like, That's Lex Luthor's dad. Dad in Smallville, right, right. So, and he was, he always, he was also in Gremlins too, but he, that actor, he's been around for so long, but he, I never, you know, you always remember when you see an actor for the very first time and, and whatever, however they stick in a role. And he was in this movie, is about this poor kid who has actually, I think since past,

and this kid David, who, and I don't want to get dark, basically something happened. I don't want to get too dark at what it really happened, but something happens to this kid, and it was his dad. that did it to him. And he played the dad in the televised version of it. And it's always stuck with me there, like this creepy dude, a very good actor.

But like when I saw him in that, I'm like, oh, he's in this too. And then this whole thing of how he, he just, because with Christopher Walken and when Walking did it, you're like, they start to set up what Walken is and how ruthless he is and what he's done.

This guy is like, the one-liners and I'm just going to do murder now. It's like, because you won't sleep with, me or whatever is. It was so, oh, the movie's really bad. Who wrote this piece of garbage? I don't know. It doesn't matter. Cartoon cat. It's like, it's so bad that I don't think anything could have been done by anyone to fix it. Like, I don't think any performance. Because like, I'm the only person I think

is decent and it is George Quinty, but even George Lee is not playing Bruce Wayne. Like, Kiva Goldsmith wrote it. Yeah, I actually saw that. But again, that's, I would probably say the same thing. You know, it's like the, because he, he, he worked for a long time, actually, for a very long time at first. Um, but I think that he was probably with Warner brothers, because he had a long contract with Warner Brothers. Hell, he was there when I was there. Um, at still. So what, and they probably just said, hey, Kiva, this is what we need you to do. We want a goofy over the top 66 Batman, write it. I didn't realize he had such a, he is, he's been very hit or miss, but I guess some of that it has to do with, like you said, sometimes people are

just telling you to do stuff. Especially, you're right. out. He has a, and he has Winter Brothers. Look at all the Warner Brothers movies. Yeah, no, I'm looking at it right now. Yeah. So, and Chris O'Donnell, terrible in this movie, Alicia Silverstone, same thing. She was cast in it because she was. Of Cluel. In 97, this is, yeah, it came out or whenever it was. Michael Goh is still pretty good, you know, as Alfred. So Pat Hingle, same thing. He has more to do in this, but he's just more of a fop. He's just like, oh, come back because she's like you're too old for me he's like no I'm not um um element dearesten is was absolutely smoking hot and she actually wasn't that bad in the movie she was good man she's good and friend but it just it's just a worthless thing to show basically what we just talked about before well we got to show that that Batman is it can't be can't have relationships and he's and he's kind of a narcissist and he's this and and he even says he's like am I am I kind of hard to

to be around is in my way of the highway and that kind of stuff they started to dive into it and then it was just lost on all the nonsense i i just find it funny that you have the situation where he's under this drug for ivy right and he's like calling ivy's name while with el mcpherson and she never actually gets mad she just goes who's ivy it's what by the way and not only that which is hilarious glad you brought that scene up because i thought the same thing she's like Can you imagine, Winston, you're at home and your lady made me dinner and you say, yeah, you know, that's cool, Samantha. Especially during a conversation about getting married. Yeah, you're like, but, but then, but imagine be able to get away with this one when she goes, who's Samantha?

And you go, I don't know. I don't know. I think he says, I wish I knew. Even worse, I think. I wish I do. He goes, he goes, I wish I knew. And that's, and that's it. And she's like, all right, let's have some food.

I'm gonna, can you imagine? I'm gonna try that not just with shit that I'm supposed to do around the house. And I messed up. Why didn't you get, why didn't you take the garbage out? I wish I knew. She isn't immediately going, you have billions. We're getting into a doctor. Like, what are you talking?

I wish I knew. It was the best answer ever. I wish I knew. I wish I knew. Hey, why, why'd you still my? car. I wish I I knew. I think I'm going to do that

next Schmodel match if I end up just like punching Gucci in the face. Why you do that? You know that. When Winston and I play again, anything I don't know, I'm going to write I wish I do. I wish I knew. I wish I knew. I wish I know. Hey, I still. My wife. Why did you steal my wife?

I wish I knew. Yo. Oh, my goodness. I wish I knew as well. I wish I knew why I signed on the dotted line and I put this under. It took so long for me at one point. I felt that my balls were frozen up there. Why did we all agree to watch Batman and Robin? I wish I knew. I wish I knew.

The question is over under 100 comments that say I wish I know. I bet you it ends up in every review we do going forward. We do have we do have a because people have been asking. about t-shirts. A big thing is a t-shirt that we sell, we sold limited, but we're bringing that back and we're bringing in a show some class t-shirt, which people have been asking for, so we're going to do that, but hey man, wish I knew. I wish I knew. If the, if the audience likes it, I wish I knew. I can see it in a beautiful shirt. I want somebody to get in trouble today, so somebody watching today, if your significant other asked you to do something and you don't do

it or something happens and then like let the dog shit in the middle of the living room and and when and when they do it why why didn't you pick it up you just say I wish I know and see how it was over I'm going now and Batman begins I want every every opportunity you can say I wish I knew I want that to be someone's credo I want whoever I want you to go through life this week internet and say I wish I knew from I have to if if I'm gonna I'm gonna see if I have George Clooney George Cluny And let's see if I I am about Oh my synapses are firing

Don't worry Christian I'll have something for you by next day I'll probably have something by the end of tomorrow But I've got I wish I knew for you that may hopefully break the internet All right go oh yeah so let's see I'm not the Marying time Can you hear this? Things about me yeah

I understand I know you're a dedicated bachelor I know you've had you wild nights Wild doesn't He doesn't quite cover it. He's trying to act. You make someone. Just, uh...

There it is. I was just, he's looking at her. Who's Ivy? What? He just called me Ivy. Who's Ivy? I wish I knew.

I got it. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna put that on the, uh, I'm gonna put it on the soundboard. A hundred percent. You got you. You got to. I wish I knew. It's really, really good.

It's just so flimmy. My brain. I wish I knew. Can you give me the timestamp on that? I'm going to need that for later. 131 on this video that I have. I'll put it in the chat over here. But yeah, it's fantastic.

So I feel like the hierarchy of villains somehow, freeze was the best. poison ivy and then Bain for worse but like I think George Clooney is the best part of this movie which is not agreed he's interesting yeah he's a movie star yeah he's such a movie star

like even he can like watching paint dry that is this movie he's charismatic and remember this was like this was like Clooney's starting to peak and even though he's older he was starting to peak at this point because he was on ER for a while and he left the R and he started doing movies and I think out of sight was one of the first ones that he really popped popped in and started to do so this was a big movie for him this was this was something he should

he he he absolutely should have taken this role i mean there's no there's no doubt it's you know trusting in what jol schumacher had and all this stuff too and and it's probably a massive payday for george it it really i mean he'll probably beg to differ and in that part part of his life but it if you look at him now he least came back from it but it didn't seem to hurt him i mean he had no brother soon after this which is a great other side yeah brother's a perfect antidote to this. He's a he's a he's a producer extraordinary. He's still acting. He's doing so. I mean, it didn't, it didn't really. He's a great director. The ocean movies alone, like he's in one of the best superhero franchises not based on a comic book. Those movies are superhero movies. He just did the one with the tender bar. He just did the tender bar. It's a really good movie. It was sweet. And I liked it. So Clooney is, yeah, Clooney's fine. O'Donnell, one of those medical shows, whatever he's so he's doing all right. Alicia, Silverstone's on some movie coming out. They're still doing stuff, you know?

Yeah. I mean, obviously, Uma Thurman, this didn't even touch the tip of the iceberg of what some of the amazing stuff she would do. I mean, because Kill Bill's coming, which I appreciate that her action legacy got rectified by being in Kill Bill, to be honest with you. It's impressive. This didn't hurt anyone considering how bad it is, but that shows how good they all are. Yeah. Yeah. I agree with you.

Because it's funny. Even like going to TV, it's a job. I had legacy role. Like, he's been on that show for like 11 years. So, like, even he got a beautiful gig out of this. George, why did you sign up to the movie? I had all these wonderful things. Why did you sign up to it?

I wish I knew. Oh, okay. You know what? I bet I know what it was. Both Michelle Pfeiffer and Nicole Kidman, remember he did one fine day and the peacemaker with them right before. I bet you both of his friends said, yo, go do what Batman did for us. You should go do Batman.

Why would your friend say that to you, George? I wish I knew. Oh, so wait. We did, we did, we had a positive. This is the first Batman movie where Batman doesn't just break down and just tell her, yo, I'm Batman, though. He didn't. He didn't give it away.

You didn't give it away. You saw Arkham again, which I know, Winston, you're proud. Happy about that. Here's the one thing I can actually, the big positive I can take out of this movie. I did like the stupid scene when, freeze or bane or whoever breaks in and he breaks into the costume shop in the prison and the rhythm was there that was fun. And that's an early Easter egg.

I missed that. Yeah. That was fun. Yeah. How could you miss that? It was because I, because Christian, when I told you I watched it twice, what I mean is it was on the background and I didn't actively watch it because I like myself. Because I actively like myself.

Well, you're not very professional. We sat through it. It's like. We suffered. It took me a very different day. So why would Winston, who was a really good friend and knew that boy and I were going to do it? Why would he do this? I wish I knew.

It's because I can guarantee you, because I love this movie as a child, I guarantee you I've seen it multiple times more than you two put together. You know it that well. You know it well. I was quoting it without looking at it. You never picked up on the Ridler's jacket ever? Yeah, I was going to set surprised. Probably as a kid, I just didn't just now because I wasn't looking up, but I would have probably noticed that now. I probably noticed back then.

But I was, I was quoting the movie. This was actually burnt out. Like, this was one of the ones that, like, I played too much and it broke my, my wife. Well, it was really funny about this, too, by the way. So this is, so the other night, well, I've been watching them on HBO Max. I've been watching all the Batman 89 movies on HBO Max. And I remember one of the fans said, you got to watch it before this time because they're going to pull them off HBO Max soon. The, the, the Nolan ones are still on there, but the other ones.

And I was like, okay, I got to remember that. So I started watching Batman and Robin, and I was like 30 minutes in. And I go to turn on HBO Max and it's gone. I'm like, you got to be kidding me. I'm like, I'm not renting that. So I luckily remembered that years, well, two things actually happened, but I remembered years ago that when the package came out, the studios had sent me the 89, the 92.

to the 95 and the 97 versions on Blu-ray. And I was like, oh, great, so I got to have it. And there's Batman and Robin. Plastic's still on it. And I got this thing years ago. Not even touched. And then luckily enough, I guess Hulu maybe had some deal. And it's on Hulu with no commercial interruptions.

And I was like, okay. Yeah, because who wants to advertise on this? I wish I knew. Anybody was, no, right? It's like, but either way, man, it was, something. So I remember I bought this with my allowance money when I must have been like nine, I think if this came out in 97, so it was probably 98, so it was probably 10. And I bought it at a grocery store. And they always overcharge at grocery stores because I didn't go to a movie store

for it. So I remember I saved up my money to buy this and lost world on VHS back when I was 10. What the hell? Because those were the two movies I wanted most. And I remember I literally broke our rewinders. Remember rewinders? We had to put the... Yeah, off to the side so you could keep watching another video and it would rewound faster than your... And I remember my lost world was in the VCR and my Rwinder broke my Batman

and Robin, and that was the first thing that I spent money on that broke. So Batman and Robin has a bittersweet place in my heart. You know what I also realize, though, too, is that it is very hard to turn a good movie around in two years, and this proves

that, right? Like, two years. It was from 95 to 97 and the release date for Batman Let me see. Batman returned. Then it was 95. Not Batman Returns. Batman Forever. It had to be like July or something. June. Okay. So June 1995 and then this movie comes out in like June or July.

Two years later. That means they rushed. They hold ass. And you kept very little of the cast. You kept Chris O'Donnell. You got a lot of Pat. Engel. No, no, no. Michael go. You only kept Gordon, Alfred, and Robin. You replaced Batman.

You had a new love interest. You had to add bad girl. You had two new villains. Right. You know the supporting the cast, too. That's silly lady who's just like, oh, Brucey. Was like, we're still doing this? Is it the character in the comments?

Just a silly version. My close personal friend, Bruce Wayne. Who said that was funny? Yeah, that's my question is. What studio execs read these jokes and looked like, this is it? The kids are going to love it. You know what it was? It was whoever,

was in charge at that time really thinking that comic book fans and people like that type of stuff were idiots and that the at that and that the audience the other audience would be in on the joke and realize that this stuff is supposed to be silly that's you can see somebody saying oh it doesn't matter come on honestly you put on it'd be amazing arnold you put him in like the freeze thing throw them those little one-liners they love the one-liners in the movie that'd be great was it john peters was it like the i don't know i don't know but umma durman she's yeah yeah yeah the tall one put her in the Ivy thing, she comes out, she blows the stuff out, and Bruce, and then Robin could be fighting and, oh, it's amazing. Put the clueless girl in there, too. That'd be amazing. What's

Cooleo doing? Hick and McAmeo. The only thing that would have been better as if Cooleo had wrapped right before they took off in the race. Why not at that point? Which, to be honest, one highlight of the film, I don't know if y'all feel the same way. I actually enjoyed the motorcycle race. I thought the ending was a little weird, but I thought that the race on the bridge was actually pretty well done. Yes, but I can't get over. And again, I like him as an actor. Chris O'Donnell makes this stupid face throughout his entire run as,

as Robin. He's like, this face, what he's doing the whole, he does this thing every single time. Also, there's a really weird edit at the end. You mentioned the end. When he catches her, Alicia reacts before he takes the mask. Yeah, yes, I noticed that. I noticed that.

I saw that too. And then she does it again. I'm like, did you use the same cut? The one positive I have. is I think Gotham is cool. Like, I like the, the Art Deco,

goth, like architecture that's evolved from Burton. And I like the gang and they're like glowware. Like, that was a cool evolution of those. I would love to get footage of Joel Schumacher, though, in the editing room. It's like,

Hey, Joel, you care, who cares? Yo. Yo. Well, on a, on a fun,

like, connected universe tip at the very beginning, you get the line of, this is why Superman works alone. So at least we've acknowledged that exists. but on the flip side, you want to talk about bad edits.

When they're fighting Ivy in the final battle with her and Robin gets thrown into the water, I don't know if you notice they did the like full reverse where he goes in, he goes, ah, and he pops out of the water, oh, ha, ha. They literally just do a rewind. I'm telling you, Joe Schumacher is like,

I don't care. Do whatever. I don't care. The check already cleared. I don't care. He's just put money assigned for phone booths. I don't care. He already knows phonebook.

it's coming he's already got a plan yeah hey this thing uh this this thing kind of repeats it doesn't matter just put it in there I don't care I got to fix this I'm gonna go to Daredevil with Ben Affleck Hey Joel did you know that that Culeo snuck on the scene and he's in the take fine keep him in there

it's fine you know I actually noticed in the first two the Tim Burton ones it says based on the magazines from DC comics and then in this movie it says based on a DC comic so even the even the credit it's like fuck it they don't care right didn't they didn't hear but like they called the magazines when they were trying to be prestigious and then they called they like flippetidly it's absolutely they did it was the whole thing everything brought up jeep swenson was was bane who's that interesting

i know that uh wrestler the jeep swenslin robert robert swenson robert swenson he was in wcd i i didn't bay pass away about 10 years ago the actor that was the body double oh he played I see, I see, I see. Yeah, well, he, oh, wow, he died in 97. So he knew this movie was coming and was like, I'm out here. No. Oh, Jesus. Vincent, you're going dark today.

I went dark. Look, man, you got to understand this unblocked is really dark part of my brain. No, he did. He died like, he died like two months after the movie came. That's so sad, dude. He was also in No Holds Bard, which is another stink bomb of a movie that I love. I love that movie. I love that movie.

So bad. You ever seen No Holds Bar with Hulk Hogan and Tiny Lister? Oh, man. Oh, I love tiny Lister. Something. Zeus. It's probably before, it's before both you turds were born. Anyway, yeah, it's, uh, who, why did we do this to ourselves?

I, I, I don't know. Oh, oh, man. I'm so excited for the Nolan trilogy, though, like actively hyped. Well, and that's, then that's how we should probably end this. It's the fact that, as we said, before without this movie being as terrible it was. And the audience wasn't stupid like the studio X thought. And they just said, no, I want to know box office wise what this movie did, right?

Let's see. Box office. According to Wikipedia, 238.2. That's not good, right? So let's put in 160, got out 238.2 according to this. Yeah, but remember, don't think is a budget was 125 million. That's not including marketing. So he's tagging.

Oh, it's just 160 on Wikipedia. So is that including marketing than you think? Markings usually as much as production. So let's say because of 97, we're talking 75 million in marketing, right? It's still $200 million. So worldwide, it made $238. And who knows how many times it's been re-released or that type of stuff too, but it's a, yeah, that's not, that's not good. When you look, I mean, it certainly, it wasn't a bomb, but it wasn't good.

It didn't end as a component, as compared to Batman forever, which cost. Batman forever cost to make it may it cost a hundred million um which let's say 200 million over 175 whatever made 336 worldwide so that that that's that that to them is a head that's what you're looking for that's what you're looking for and then like so same Batman begins cost seven dollars comparatively and made yeah let me see let me see that as far as what that is so Batman oh I put the begins it looks like it was one again Wikipedia Not begins. Batman, we're talking about Batman returns.

Are you talking about Batman McGins? Oh, yeah, I'm saying Batman begins. It looks like it was 150 to make. Remember, though, 150. Well, no, but still 150 is a lot. Budget 80 million for Batman returns. And I think this is the reason I'm going through this, because these are the four of this set before we move to Nolan.

Budget was $80 million to make. It made $266 million worldwide. Batman returns. Now, a lot of that has returned business from the first one, but I don't know. I mean, it's still, I mean, look, they wound up making more on their money, their money still, they made a profit switching to the Jim Carrey version. So it still made sense money wise. But it wasn't like it bombed.

It cost 80 million to make it. It made 266 million, right? So I guess still 180. That's not too much. So I guess I get it. And let's see, Batman. Batman 89. Batman 89 cost,

holy crap. How much do you think Batman 89 cost to make? $7. $9 million based off of what you're just, the face you made. $9 million? No, it's definitely, I mean. 25, 25.

And you say $75? Yeah. $35 million. Wow. $35 million. $35. And how much do you think it made worldwide? Probably $3.80.

You said $3.80, okay? worldwide so including domestic and international um i want to say like uh 300 411 on a 35 million dollar budget that is that's some get out numbers that's crazy that is a massive massive number so you understand why burton was given the keys to the castle in that second movie but then and that's why jack nicholson sitting pretty because he got a percentage yep and so but it also makes a lot of sense now when you look at this one made basically almost $400 million or whatever, a $300 million profit, right, or close to it.

And that's not even including merchandise and all that stuff. That's just what the movie made. So that's close to a billion dollars in business with everything that you have. And then when the second one comes out and it barely makes like $40 million profit, you can see why they wanted to change a strategy. But then that fart festo we watched this week does what it does and sinks to property, most likely, and George Clooney says it was pretty, I was pretty much, that was the end of it for about.

About that case. They saved it and they had to because Nolan then did the exact opposite of what this one was. And I don't want to call it the Jill Schumacher one because I don't blame him for it. But this tone is here. Nolan's is here and you talk about just a complete 180 and making everything realistic. And that's probably what the meetings were. It's like, yeah, like look at the last, the thing that happened, the problem is they don't, people don't want that anymore, especially where we are. This is probably like 2002, 2003, when they start talking about it.

And I look, if, because like what, it came out in 2005, right? The first one's five, yep. So probably around anywhere between 2001, 2002, they start mulling around and they bring Nolan in and Nolan has the conversations. And he's like, what we can't do is what we did, what you guys did with Batman and Robin. You've got to, instead of aliens or big mutated guys, you guys, you guys, you guys. to make it more realistic and that's my approach and then you know we get obviously without batman begins we don't get the mc u like i don't i don't see iron man happening three years later if that you know they they showed what serious comic book movies can be and then a very fledgling studio marvell was

going out of business not that long earlier they had to sell all of their major characters to other studios to stay afloat they only had sea listers like cap and iron man left they cast a guy that no one's willing to cast. They have an event relatively not a blockbuster director, and they give it less budget, all because I think Batman Begins. I think we owe Batman Begins, and weirdly enough, Mel Gibson by way of Downey Jr.,

the keys to the Marvel Universe, and Favreau, obviously, but it's crazy the Batman Begins really, I think, gave us that. Yeah. Which is funny, because then you could go a step further and say you wouldn't have Mando or Book of Boba Fett if Favro doesn't kill it with Iron Man, too. We also, oh, Batman begins for Star Wars.

And we can go a step further and say we don't get any of that without this movie because this movie caused them to go the other way. So Batman and Robin is responsible for Book of BobaFed. Well, wait a minute. Why in the world would you compliment this movie? I'm trying to give us purpose. Boy you missed. I said, why in the world would you compliment this movie?

Why? It's not a good answer. Why? why George tell me tell me why please please I wish I knew I get that sound bite I gotta get that I'm gonna I have I have so many things that I have to do that I have like deadlines on that people have been asking me for and my and now you're gonna do it's a sound bite I was 100% when someone did you get me those documents on it why don't you get them I wish I know next time I get an email from me your signature is gonna be I wish I I wish I knew. It's a truth. I'm going to get, I promise you, I promise you what we should do. I mean, there's nobody in our circle. Let's be honest. That's watching this show. Our audience will be in on the joke. Everyone else will be in the joke. But what we need to do, the three of us, this is our thing now. So, no. And I mean if we're on the air, I mean if we're together. and a subway sandwich, if someone asks us a question,

one of us, if the moment is right, has to say, I wish I knew it, and then this bump the other two. And I want a middle distance stare if possible. Yeah, and don't tell any,

but we cannot explain it. I don't want to explain it on the ear to anyone. I don't want to explain it to anyone in person. I just want to do it where if the three of us are around, it's like our creed. And it's like, and we're around and it. I will find a way to sneak that into a match.

You think I won't? I'm doing it. Why would somebody do that? I wish I know. I want to rename Shazam. I wish I knew. Yo. Gibbs is going to ask you 75 million questions and you can answer.

I wish I knew 75 million time. It's really close to me in Winston's team name. Wait, wait, I know this. I wish I knew. It's very close to wait. I know this. It is very close. Oh, that's what it should have been for me.

Stacey did fine. It should have been, I wish I do for me. Guys, we might have found the next, like, because I don't know if you remember the Clyder Live days. We had, we had Win a Goldfish here. And so I want a goldfish here. And I want, like, I want the, and the audience would put, they would put,

win a goldfish here everywhere. You would see it everywhere on other people's shows, on you would see it on Twitter. You would see, I wish I knew. I want that to be. a thing. I want to start seeing it. When I'm watching like someone else's stream, I just want to see an audience member who's watching both, put I wish I knew, and see

if another audience member then picks up on it and goes, I promise you. I promise you. Next, it won't be today, but Blurds on Tuesday, because this comes out tomorrow, I promise you blurt's on Tuesday, someone's going to end up saying some shit like that. Please, everybody do, I wish you knew because the other thing is too. Because what I, also, the reason why is the audience will have earned it because it means they watch this piece of crap movie with us. And it's only the people who watched this movie back or really wanted to talk about it that's

going to watch this episode. There might be something that missed out on it and then you missed out on on the way we drive traffic to this episode is it's the beginning of the phrase. Yes. This is this is Batman at the theater with his parents. Christian, I'm calling it right now. I'm calling it right now. I'm a winning Oscar, bro.

And when I do it, I'm going to be like, yo, I can't. Wow. You gave me an Oscar. Why did y'all give me this? Like, I wish I knew. Like, I just... Winston, who do you want to thank tonight? I wish I knew.

So, George, do you know why he said what he said at the podium? I wish I knew. Oh, I... The best. Oh, I do. What a gangster to be able to get away with that. sitting at the table kissing your lady and then you say you call out another woman's name he asked you who is it wasn't just it wasn't just that if you watch it again if i'm not mistaken

doesn't he kiss ellie mcpherson and then when he comes out of the case yeah that's what i mean yeah that's what i'm saying like i thought you mentioned with them just talking it was so it was so much deeper he's they're like they're mid smack checked it look i got the i got the i got the The clip. I'll show you the clip. This is, we have video everywhere. I'm more of a detective than Batman is.

I'll tell me that. You see this? Look at him. Yeah. Mid-smack and he starts thinking about, there he is, he's smacking through again. He's got,

I mean, look, he's locked in. And then she turns into poison ivy in a second here. Oh, wait. Or did she already do it? I don't know how you, I mean, look,

Witherman is very pretty, but. There it is. There it is. And then now she goes back. Who's Ivy? Huh? What?

He just called me Ivy. Who's Ivy? I wish I knew. Is it because he's George Clooney or because he's Bruce Wayne with billions that he got away with that? Both. You need to get away with that. You need the combo. What is this?

I wish I knew. Oh, you didn't know about this? You didn't know about this mode? What's this? Yeah. What is it? That's like the same way. we used to shoot Smodown. You can put us in

I know. I hate this stupid thing. Yeah, it doesn't matter. All right, your mother F's. Let's get out of here. All right, look, it's a lot of fun. It was fun to talk about it, but let's be honest. How excited are you guys to be? Actually, to dive into Nolan. Come on. Those movies are so ecstatic. Yeah, I can't wait. I'm actually, that's partially the reason why I wanted to do this series, too, to revisit those movies. I always, because I always

see them on my shelf and I always like I'm going to watch right now I'll watch it eventually and now I have to watch it I'm glad of that I have to watch it because there's some of my movies and I actually really love Ellis does not Ellis likes the last one less and less every time he talks about it and I feel the opposite I want to see how I feel I love rises I love rises I love I love it um I feel like Tom Hardy doesn't get enough credit for how special that I love that movie but I I'm I want to go back I mean until I've only I haven't seen it in a handful of years. I can't imagine it's going to change that much my opinion on it, but I

loved it. I mean, I do remember how stupid a scene it is when Marion Cotier dies. It's so stupid, but, uh, I mean, the only thing that I will say, I really enjoyed what Tom Hardy did. Just one time I would like to get a Bain that doesn't have some, like a funny voice. Like,

now Bain being from San Francisco, I mean, huh? But he's in a minute? But I understand that. So Bain being from Santa Prisca, I mean, you're going to catch some, some like a Latin accent on him a lot of iterations which I totally am okay with but like you got this weird voice that Hardy's doing you got monkey work over here

like I would just like a bane that's just a dude I want a vein that's like hyper intelligent that's that's I think what Hardy was doing is like playing troops yeah they need to mix it up for for Bat Reeves one yeah well either way we're getting into

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