The Kristian Harloff Show - REWATCH! Dr. Strange (2016)

Episode Date: April 26, 2022

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Happy Tuesday. Am I wearing the same thing from last week? Who cares? All right. Well, you'd care if you're my wife because I probably smell like an alicat. But that's not what we're talking about today. We're talking about Dr. Strange. It is the first movie leading up to Dr. Strange 2, the multiverse of madness.

And there's a lot of other things that we're going to do. This is the rewatch series. We were going to normally we just do one of these. But then we're like, you know, we have this. We have Jurassic Park coming out. Let's just do two of them. And we'll put this one out on Tuesday. And this is Dr. Strange, we're going to be doing no way home.

We're going to be doing the parts of, I think, and I was going to talk to the guys about this also, I think the other stuff that we should just cover at least is the stuff that happens with Dr. Strange and end game and Infinity War and all that stuff because it all seems to all tie into it. And I think that we're going to do a rewatch of No Way Home also because of obviously that leads into the events of what's happening. So without any further ado, and before we actually get into it, make sure that you subscribe and hit the notification button. and do all that as we get into the rewatch of Dr. Strange. I think it's 2016, I believe so, Marvel. And here we go.

This is the show. What's up, everybody? It's the rewatch of Dr. Strange. It's myself. It's Coy. And Winston. Hey, yo. All right.

We got a lot to talk about. It's funny. Winston, we, after we've, We finished recording the Jurassic, the Lost World rewatch. And then you were doing some work. And Koi and I were talking outside. And we started talking about Dr. Strange. And I'll just start off right away.

This movie is so much better on the rewatch. Yes. And I liked it the first time. I liked it a lot the first time. But what I was saying to Koi was, you can tell that they knew what they wanted to do with this character and the multiverse and all. all of that stuff in 2016.

Six years ago. Because they had so much to remember, though, from 2000 and what is seven is when it, when it was an eight is when it launched. So it's from 2008 up until eight years later. They had a lot to, they already set up a lot of stuff. So they already were in a position in 2016 that they were in the power seat already. And they were making movies like Dr. Strange and Ant Man doing stuff. They were like, all right. So we can write this because in 2008, you couldn't have wrote this movie like this because you're like in 2016.

You're writing it saying, okay, clearly we're going to, we have enough success that we're going to be able to do the multiverse. And then imagine if we can actually get into the multiverse, start pulling these crazy characters. We just got to make this work. But let's mention it. Let's set it up. A few times. It's set up throughout the entire movie. I appreciate it.

He said it in the sling ring. When we was introduced, he's like, in order for you to traverse the multiverse, you need to master the sling ring. And I was like, wait a minute. How did I not catch that when I watched it the first time? They said the word multiverse. And Tilda Swinton says it as he's thrown into the chaos of that like hot topic world. Like she mentions that the world of multiverse is infinite possibilities, infinite, blah, blah, blah. Like they set up the multiverse so much more than I realized and remembered six years ago.

Which is so funny because you get to far from home. And then just because Beck mentions I'm from a different, I'm from a different earth. They're like, there's more than one dimension. Yeah. And we all latched on to that. We're like, is that what we're going next? Yeah. And Loki.

and Loki went bananas with it right. But we were in disbelief because Quentin Beck's a fraud, but I maintain that the first multiversal character is Jonah Jameson in Far From Home. Like I still think that's... Either way, it's set up in a way that in this movie where it's mentioned by name, obviously, but then there's also the stuff,

which is a great scene where he's talking to... He's looking through the... Whatever the hell it was. That book, he's going through that book, and they're telling him, and he comes in, Wong says, you can't, you can't mess with this, dude. Yeah.

You can't, you regrows that page in Cagliostra, I think it was. Yeah, he's like, you can't, you can't do this because you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, like, just distorting it completely. And then that ultimately leads into what we get into in the multiverse. It's like, it's a really, it's, it's, it's so much better the second time. I wonder if Roxy would like it better the second time. She hates it. She hate it, really.

I, it was a mid-movie for me. I was like, it was fine when I saw it. But upon the rewatch, I really like this movie now. And the other thing that's so interesting. to me is I realize now where damn Christopher Nolan got the idea for Tenet, the whole rewinding time backwards. I don't know if that's Hong Kong or Korea, whatever. It's the same thing where like all of a sudden people are kind of running and then you get

trapped inside a wall. So it's the idea of almost the thing backwards. Right. Exactly. So the idea of kind of like thinking backwards and moving backwards was literally done four years prior to Tenet coming out. And I wonder if Nolan saw this movie goes, I can make a whole movie about that. thing and forward and backward.

Yeah, I mean, it's, it does, it plays, oh, the Apple. The Apple is awesome. But all that and the stuff, and the way that they play this, the only, the only scene that I still cannot stand in this movie and I didn't like it when I saw it and I don't like it now is the whole force ghost fighting in the, in the hospital. And I still think that Rachel McAdams is, is underused in this movie. Oh, she's 10,000%. She don't cast Rachel McAdams for a two half-sleas.

I mean, she's barely in this movie. And then, and, and she's even asked to do some silly stuff, like when he, he, shows up after getting stabbed, which I love. He shows up and she's like, wait, what's happening? Oh, your ghost is out of your body? Yeah, sure, I'll help you operate. Like, what? And talks to the ghost.

And she's completely fine. Yeah, that was after a life of being a doctor. Yeah. I sort of buy that a little only because as for most doctors, like, yes, you're going to be in shock and whatnot. If someone is like dying, they immediately have to like snap out of it and get into like emergency mode. And if you notice, she's kind of like, um, okay.

And then it's like performing. the surgery while still. So I buy it enough that doctors have to kind of keep their cool because gunshot victims and all sorts of stuff come in like that before. I could have used it. We'll talk about this afterlife. As soon as it's over, you need to sit your ass out and explain what the hell just happened.

But that's fine though too. But it's like it's one thing doctors to say like, okay, look, I've seen people, their heads split open. I was operating on somebody and their brain fell out of my head. Like that is sure. Someone's ghost coming out and talking to you. It's not the science. It's not the same.

Right. It's literally. It's like, how is this happening? And we saw him go through a seven-month arc of accepting it. And she's just like, yes, I'll have to accept this for the moment. It felt like a little. It did. But the flip side.

The flip side is this. What I loved about that previous moments that happened afterwards, after he gets fixed up and after he goes back and he takes the life from one of the soldiers, right, that he's fights. He said, he has a great scene when he's talking. He's like, I made an oath to save lives and not to take one. I just took me and he's like, you're, you're just, that, it wasn't about you. You became a doctor for yourself. You can, yeah, right. It wasn't, you feel bad.

It was because you came, you, you, it's, he's like, and then you complain about it like a wounded dog. It was a great scene. Yeah. We were just talking about how the writing in Jurassic, the lost world is not great. The writing in this movie is really good. And showing, and, and, and they had to do something when a lot of people still argue this, which, there's a lot of similarities between, between, with, um, strange and, and Ironman.

That's what bothered me the first time I walked. It was how similar their origins are. And that's not, you know, Scott Derrickson's fault, but I did feel that watching it. Yeah. Did you feel it in the rewatch? Less.

Right. Because you know the character's so well now. And I've grown to like this take on the character now. Right. And for me, this was a, it's still around the middle of my Marvel experience. I know the expression mid is,

is downplaying, but it is middle for me. And like, because, you know, they got 32 properties now. And out of 32 properties, something has to land somewhere. For me,

some of those similarities do keep it lower. For me, the Cacilius feeling, doesn't work. He's very trite. Yeah, he just kind of he's serviceable. We're in the world where Michael Keaton's out here killing it as Vulture that Kilmonger comes along.

Yeah. That like we're starting to set up Thanos for real for real. Yeah. He is, he, Concilious is so forgettable, especially when, and this is what I hate, you tease Dormammu, who is one of the most treacherous villains in Marvel that Strange is constantly having to deal with.

And even that is super downplayed of just the time loop and nothing. Remember, they still haven't really, they hadn't really gotten the villains down, right? Because what was Black Panther? I was 2017-2018. Two years later, they got Kilmonger. My personal opinion is that, like, Loki was probably the best in Avengers. And then after that, they couldn't really knock anybody really down.

Because they kept doing the, how do we do the inverse thing? Right. Killmonger. It was so funny because I was trying to find, I remember being on Collier talking about this. And I was finally, like, okay, that's the best villain. Killmonger. Yeah. Oh, easy.

And the Thanos came on. Yeah. And I was like, okay. But, but, but, the vulture, I think is, is not talked about enough. No,

Vulture was great too. Yeah. I think that it's just because when he ends, he ends in a different mindset that you almost think he's going to be a good guy. And then it's completely just ruin him in, in this stupid Morbius movie.

I still haven't seen it. The ending is so stupid. The post-credit scene makes no sense. It undermines a lot of it. It makes no sense at all. But anyway, this movie, this is just a serviceable villain,

And you and I were talking about this outside Is that I love Mads-Michelson, right? So, and I think he was the best part of the new the Dumbledore movie, right? So, and Coy made a great point is that this character is not really developed and I think the reason, because I said, I liked watching Mads, and I heard myself say it and I go, you said Matt's. I said, yeah, it's, I think that if it wasn't Mads-Micklson,

I wouldn't give a crap about this character. But the fact that I do, because he's such a good actor and the fact that I do, I feel his torment and his pain of how he felt betrayed by, you know, the writing is great. Yeah. It's just, it's, some of the writing. I know what you mean. He's not, he's not as developed as he could be for us to care.

And you, they, they rested on the laurels of it being Mads Meckles. And he had a bit of a mustache twirling problem. Like, he had a bit of like, I'm a bad guy. He did. Yeah, like, you never, like, he's cutting heads off and stuff. No. And you never thought that he was doing anything that could be justified. No, I wish I would have shown a flashback scene when he lost his family.

Right. Because I think you would have, you would have understood more because they mentioned it. They mentioned that his family was kind of slaughtered and that's, and that's why, or whatever happened in his family. Or any plausible deniability of him killing people for his own zealicy. Right. They're called zealots for a reason, but I don't feel it. No, you can tell that he's naive and you can tell that he doesn't want to listen to it

because they have that whole scene right before they kind of expose the ancient one for tapping into the dark dimension. They have, she tells him, she's, Dermandu, he's, he's lying to you. And he's just like, he's like, you're full of it. You know, that's, he's not leading me astray. He believes in him 100%. And that's the whole thing. I would have loved, you can sort of see it in the same way that, like, if he tap into the dark side of the voice, is the force, it starts to eat away at your physical form.

You sort of see it a little bit with, with the more he taps into the dark dimension, but I'm not, you're not seeing repercussions. You're not seeing even, like, him talking, him even talking to Dormammu or something like that, because that's where I give, like, I feel like there was an improvement of this in Shang-Chi. Yeah. Where you had the idea of, like, the whispering, but you're like, Dad, I'm trying to tell you. You don't get it. And they're, like, showing you, instead of trying to tell you,

about why the dark dimension or what's behind the door is bad. Right. And that's why the villain in Shang-Chi is one of the better ones because it's a similarly, you know, bad choices, but you care about why he's doing it. Right. Because you feel for him. Because he uses his wife.

Yeah, exactly. And like, you're invested in his evil choices. Because you're like, it's not evil to him. And that's a great point. And so using Shang-Chi as the example, and in that film, you actually, they go back and they show it to you. Right.

So they show you the tragedy. They show you how he's earned in you. He was this despicable person that, that fell in love and went on the right path and then felt tragedy. And that's why he was doing what he did. And ultimately, when he can't add his come up, it's at the end of that movie.

I'm just spoiling all of Shang Chi for people who haven't seen it. But when you go there, I know. And if you're watching this, you should probably have been caught up on Shang Chi. But either way, the point is that you're exactly right. You've been through enough of that character in two hours that by the time you get

to you're like, okay, I feel empathy. I understand that he probably should have gotten what was coming to him. And even the relationship with Shang Chi Makes you care about him more Because everything Shang-chi does You feel twice over

Whereas I don't care about Casilius And Dr. Strang's relationship Because they don't have one And I barely care about his relationship With the ancient one Because they don't bring it up until it's like too late We're already like, eh, this guy Well, I think Shilatelaus is for though

Oh, he's great And he's another one Because it's him He brings so much But I actually think his character Is more developed than Matt? And he's a big villain Like he'll be the

I think he should have been in Dr. Strange to become in multiverse? Is he going to be multiverse? Oh, he's got awesome dreads. Okay, so he's been in the, he's in the trailer. Yeah. Okay, okay. So I was going to say, because I felt like they had, it kind of, because at the end of this,

he's just like, I'm out. Yeah, he's definitely set up as a villain. Yeah, he said up. Yeah. He said, I'm out. You know, it's funny because I was trying to think what other villain in the MCU is like this, because Casilius might actually be my weakest villain. Because like, even with.

Yellow jacket. That's up there. But the funny thing is, though, because I, that's where I started. I was like, is Darren Cross? Yeah. the first crappy one in that regard. But there's enough of like, hey, he's worked super hard. He felt like he deserves the throne.

And Corey Stoll's great. You know, so. Yeah, I didn't mind Corey Stoll. Right. But with Casillius, the one. Oh, I would say Whiplow, uh, Justin. Oh, uh, Iron Man 2. Anybody in Iron Man 2.

Anybody in Atlanta. But even even though, but even though it's underdeveloped, I still have an emotional connection enough of like his dad got cheated out by the start. It's always like, but where is in my? got it for you guys and then we can move on because you're all going to agree. Thor of the Dark World. Oh, the Dark Elf.

Yeah, that guy did not have anything to do. You forgot all about it. Ronan, but, but. Ronan's pretty bad too. But Ronan is a good dance scene at least. Yeah, exactly. But yeah, I think Chris Eccleson, I think even he agrees. Yeah, we all are.

There's nothing there. It's not. But anyway, so this, but this movie though, going back and then seeing the visuals, man. There's something about it though, man. Like this, out of all the rewatches that we've done, we've, we have all been through at least one of, us, if not on the same page or one of us on different movies, have been like, you know what?

On the rewatch, this movie is, is better. We've been that with Spider-Man. This movie has four spots for me in my MCU. This movie is by far to me the most improved at any movie we've rewatched. Yeah. The most improved because of the pure definition of why you, why if you have a plan, yeah, your, your content is going to thrive. It's the best retroactive Marvel film, I think.

It proves their plans. It proves that they had an idea of what they wanted to do. A lot of people argue that with age of Ultron, but age of Ultron still isn't great, whereas it is better, but it's not great. It's better. It's funny that we're doing this rewatch as I'm doing a whole other rewatch. So my girlfriend had never,

she'd seen a MCU movie here and there, but she'd never, like, watched it. Yeah. And so we've, it's taken her on year two and a half, almost three of us getting through this, because she, she enjoys them,

but she's like, I would never just sit down and turn one of these on. It's not for her. It's like my wife. We just watched Age of Ultron. I actually really enjoy that. I did not like it at first. And every time I watch it,

I find something else. I did. I liked it better. I like to, I recently watched, we didn't do a full Marvel we watched, but we did a lot of them. During the last year and a half,

my wife and I watched a bunch of, Ultron was one of those movies. And I feel the same way. I think that I got better. But this movie, but I still think for Ultron, Ultron is still, there's a lot wrong with it, right?

Whereas this like, This was always a good. I always liked this movie. I just like it so much better now. And I think it's because at the time when I saw it, I mean, I've seen it more than once. But at the time when I saw it in the theater in 2016,

I was aware, basically I was, as I was most aware of Dr. Strange because of Matt Kaye. Right. But I also, but I remembered him from comics and things too. But I wanted, I was curious,

I didn't know enough about it. Yeah. And then, because originally it was Joaquin Phoenix and then goes in to be Bennett Cumberbatch. And it is. And so I remember watching and having that same reaction you did, like,

okay, Tony Stark, but then, because we've now spent six years with the character in various movies, I know he's significantly different than Tony Stark, so I didn't have that thought really at all, same, because he doesn't go in, because he's, you know where he ends up. Yeah. And it's very similar again to what I always talk about, like the Force Awakens when I watch that movie now. I still think it's a good movie, but because of I know where the things go and the stories go afterwards, it's less enjoyable for me when I watch. So it's the opposite. It's like, yeah, it's exactly the opposite because I think of the things now because when they mention the multiverse, I go, oh,

this and the time stuff that plays into the Thanos stuff. And now that we know, it's like watching a TV show that you've seen. Yeah. And then going back and rewatching it. Yeah, but going back and rewatching it, yeah, but going back and be watching that TV show going, oh, that's how that all plays. Yeah. Seasoning bad is a different show now. See, like, you know, knowing where Heisenberg goes. Yes. Well, I'm, I'm curious, though, because I will say, since you mentioned what if for half a second, that's the only thing that's kind of off for me. I get it's supposed to be the whole infinite possibility. So maybe that strange just really love Christine. more because I don't get the vibe in this.

He cares about her, but he doesn't really love her. That's what I was saying. I think they're going to bring her back and do a little bit more with her. It's interesting to see how that works, though, because there's no point in the movie where I go, he's made a turn and now all of a sudden he appreciates. No, he basically just says to her, I'm sorry I was an asshole. That's all he says to her. Yeah, that's it.

You don't feel like they're, like, you feel, you feel pepper pots and toaster. You feel, you understand that. Yeah. They had more movies to build off of that, obviously, than just one. But yeah, I see what you're saying. But I think that... But even MJ and Peter had more chemistry. Right.

I think it's going to be explained. I think it's going to be explained more in this one. Holy crap. You want to talk about not only a master class in acting, but specifically just painting. You painted strange a way that it makes it hard to root for him, but once he eventually comes around and get it. His conversation in the apartment when he's at his lowest with Christine, where he's cussing her out, essentially. because he's just like, I've lost Jeffrey, like, I'm like, bro,

I do not remember him being this abusive. He was sarcastic. He was, but you can tell how much anger and pain is there to where she's just like, she looks and she's like, and I love, what I loved about that scene, I'm glad you brought that scene up because I thought this was watching it. Her reaction could have been one of stereotypical, just kind of like crying, screaming.

She just was like, she was the cool one in it. She knows that he's broken. She stopped and she went, okay, well, I'm going to go now. And then it even comes back full circle when he comes back. He's like, I've written you a bunch of emails. Like, you didn't respond. He's like, did you expect me to? Yeah.

Right. Why would I? Why would I? Yeah. Just storming out of the room is the weak choice, leaving of your own accord and then not. And the way she responded to it. And it's like, why would you? It's like, look, I came over to help you, you asshole.

Yeah. Yeah. And move on and do. And like, look, this is not, you're not going to be able to do what you want to do. That is a great move of the actress, the director and the writer to see that and go, because we've all been in that moment where someone is having that lash out and you're just like, you know what, you lost everything, so whatever. Yeah, I am clearly in a better position here, so I'm not going to berate you.

You got it out, peace. Yeah. You know what I mean? I thought that that was a brilliant choice of all three. It was real. It was real. It was real. And I thought that... Especially in a movie with so much stimuli, it's good to have those real scenes to ground it.

But that's why it bums me out. in the few negatives that we have about this movie is that it really puts the spot when you look at that scene, it puts the spotlight and the fact that Rachel McAdams is underused. Because there other three scenes are like... And to be fair, though,

there's really not much that you could do with her at the moment to tell because I like the story that they tell. I like the idea, and Corey, get your head back in there. I can't see you. But like the... I kept moving the camera,

but I was like, if he keeps moving around, it's nothing that I can do. But no, but I, I like where they went with it. I like the fact that he goes and he doesn't believe and he's just kind of just doubting Thomas, the guy goes in it,

and he makes his way to, does someone just rip one? I just like it really, it sounded like someone tore it out. And I was like, let me see if I can regret it. I was like, look, if someone did it in the middle of that, then good on you.

But I'm not being able to hold it in because it sounded like someone just tore it out. Oh, that sounds like the ancient one not to speak. And that's what I realized that watching this other, oh my God, someone was a ripple. You told me your house. It was. Oh, man.

Yeah, it sounded like something tore it out. I'm so glad I could recreate it. So I was like this. No, it's, it's. Yeah. Jesus. It's a great cushion. Was that?

Yeah. Wow. That did sound like you just had a lot of white castle. That's, that's when I just, it's this one. It's this one. It's this one. Anyway. But.

But. That whole scene there, he goes there. He's kind of doubting Thomas and he goes and he wants to be in there so bad. But it's the selfishness that's driving there. He needs to figure it out and fix his hands. It's all he cares about. It's all he wants to an ancient one, bringing him in all those moments and showing him the dimensions. And that scene worked for me so much well too because now, again, just reiterating exactly what we just said, when you go into that no way home scene, when Spider-Man and Dr.

Strange are running through the mirror verse and they're having this whole battle, that becomes more. in heightened now when you get the introduction of how it works and how the mirror verse works and and all of that. And so that's why it's hard for me to say, I wish they would have used Rachel McAdams more because I don't know where you would have used it more. I just think it's the fact that you cast such a great actress in that role. Hopefully it's for the long game. I hope it's for the long game.

Yeah. It has to be. And I think we get a teasing of that with the trailer for Multiverse of Madness because there's her in a wedding dress. In a wedding dress. So clearly this strange not putting up the real. love for Christine like he's supposed to she's marrying somebody else it feels like um but i it was just it was it was very very interesting um to see that again with that asshole element i now also understand

where an evil dr strange can come from sure and the zombie one too exactly and so not even necessarily like obviously what if did a good enough job of painting that picture right but if if if we're going back to again how dr strange started we see the dark in this man's soul and how he could very easily be what Mordo is about to be, what Kaiselius became, what the ancient one, even though she tapped into the dark dimension, didn't fully go there. Right. And so just knowing that this man could at any point go full Vader.

And I love that, you know? Yeah, no, it was. There's a lot of those moments. It makes me think, though, because of the what if and because of the multiverse, Corey, how much of what if do you think is going to play into the sequel? A lot. Yeah. I honestly think that those three Doctor Strange-centric episodes are going to be the three strangers we encounter.

Like, I definitely think there were three. There was a zombie one. Oh, the prime is new to the movie, but they referenced a universe that I think they're going to pull from that from. The ponytail to Dr. Strange, I don't know if you guys have seen that. Maybe the previews. It's a doctor strange from the Defenders comics. I think that they're pulling it from.

That is as arrogant, but he's a good guy. So that's not from what if, but there's a universe that I think they're pulling from it. I remember, but I was trying to remember the zombies. strange is like heavy in that one? No, I just think that they're going to go like that storyline is from this. I think they're just going to be like the zombie universe is. I just think any time he pops up, that's going to get used.

I think what if is going to be very canon. So we'll jump back into the first one and the second because I do want to get into something that we did a lot of when we were doing the Spider-Man rewatches. Who do we think? I love you. I don't know what I. Here, here, let's do this. I'm going to do this.

You follow me. I'll stay right here. I'm going to put you, this is your, there you go. Okay, that's my, okay. There you go. You also have a monitor directly. Right in front of you. That's how I know that Koi is actually not as narcissistic as I am.

Multiple times in episode. No, you're never going to see Winston in a frame. Meanwhile, of course. Failed. Y'all, when I'm looking right here, I am looking at myself. That is me that I'm looking at. That's why I set that monitor over there. It is, and I wish you guys can see it.

It is, you know what? I'm even going to, this showing that I'm learning this tech better than I. MTS. Yeah, I'm going to show you, watch this. Hold on. I'm going to show you exactly right now. I'm going to show you exactly how. In real time.

In real time, exactly where it is. So it's like, it's like, well, why can't he see him so? Maybe he can't, maybe he can't, maybe he doesn't know. Maybe he doesn't know that he's not on, that he's not on the, on the camera. It's funny because I'm so focused on making sure this Winston Dick isn't in my face. That I don't actually look at the camera. So I can only do so many things at once. I take my notes.

Yeah. All right, so here we go, guys. I'm going to show you guys. Here's, here's, here's, here's, here's, here's right in front of it. It's literally blocking it. It's, it's right there. Ah, ha. I love that we took that photo on camera and then immediately.

It's like, it's like, it's like, well, maybe he can't, maybe he can't see it. Literally, like I'm sitting in the front row of the movie theater. Anyone that gets mad. Did you just close the whole stream? No, I didn't close all stream. Oh, shit. I don't know what I got right. Oh, May dang.

Okay, we'll get back. I got rid of something. Anyone that gets mad at me for reading the comments because I'm a narcissist, know that I'm not looking directly at myself this entire stream. Hilarious. Anyway, so what I was going to ask you is, so let's go through who we think is going to show up. We know that Chihuahua Tullo's a Ford is going to show up because he's in the trailer. apparently, okay, same thing, Rachel McAdams.

Okay. Do we think, because it's, because it's multiverse, do we think Mads McEglson comes back? I don't think the actor, Madnegleson wants to come back. All right, Dormandu? I think, I think Dormandu is an overwhelming presence, and maybe we get a sequence, but I don't think it's a major...

But he's back. Yeah, okay, that's what I mean. So I'm trying to think everybody inside of the movie itself. I think Tilda Swinton makes it, makes an appearance. Okay, I think there's some wisdom, maybe a flashback. All right, Robert Danny Jr. No. Okay.

Tom Cruise. I've edited so much and I've heard so many back and forth things. I want it enough. I'm going to go yes out of one. I agree. I think he's going to show. Kaczynski also. I think Krasinski shows up as an alternate read.

Yeah. As a fan. So you don't think it's going to be their R-R-R. You think they're just doing it to give them a nod and move on. I think that John Krasinski really wanted to play read for a really long time and now got sick-fips. This is how to have your game here. I agree. This is, this is, they're going to.

have a very different version of him when he, when he casts him, but he plays it in some other version. Toby McGuire. I think they filmed something after, after No Way Home, yeah. I think it was too big. So there was a, there was a thing that, that probably, and this could be, it was funny, because I saw some video post about it that said that it's guaranteed he's in it because they show Joe's pizza. Joe's pizza is on every other corner in New York.

Yeah, it exists. Also, Sam Ramey directed this. It could just be for, like Sam might like. Sam loves Joe's pizza. Yeah. So that's, that could be it. However, it is Sam Ramey. Right.

And because it shows, the guy might not be wrong. Right. Because it is Joe's Pizza and Sam Ramey wants to do it, then maybe you get a scene with Sam Ramey reteaming with Toby. So that would be pretty fantastic. There's like that ad, like Verizon ad or something that's Dr. Yeah. So that's why I'm not going to just going to poo it.

Right. It's still, it's, but just because they show Joe's pizza in New York doesn't mean guarantee because it's like every other corner there's just. There's just pizza out here. Yeah. A couple of various ones. Getting away from strange, but still. playing the game of who do you think it's going to be in it.

I'm actually more curious about the people directing surrounding Wanda. So I think that you're actually going to get vision in the kids again. Oh, I think so too. I think that both of them are going to show up. I'm curious if it's going to be her vision or white vision. She's going to be the villain, right? She's going to turn out of me. I think

Nightmare is going to be the big bad. Who? I think Nightmare is a character that feeds off of fear in your dreams. So he's an otherworldly, other dimensional character, but it manifests as almost the Sandman, but evil. So I think that that might be manipulating things so you don't think they're going to make

I think Juan is going to be bad I want to see her go full heel I want to see it I want to see it I think that we it's like let's turn what we've already we've done the death thing we've done we've done our heroes go away let's go full evil because you got to turn killmonger

good right that's what's going to happen supposedly that's the rumor we'll see that you think that's get pushed by the way you think November there's no chance it comes out this year there's no way it comes out there's no way black no I don't I don't think it comes out because you had too much breakdown in production. Yeah.

And they don't even know what it is. From both injury and COVID. Really? Yeah, they claim. Poor Lion Cougler. I can't even imagine. I made one of the best movies of all time and then. Yeah, I mean, obviously, the tragedy. I am really scared to see what happens because I don't want Coogler or Wakanda anything involved in it to get tarnished and I'm very scared because of all these ups and downs.

You already have a lot to live up to. I know. I think it's the highest stakes. sequel. It's, it's, it's, it's, it because you got,

because of so many different reasons, because you've got to, whoever you're going to give the ball to, you got to probably give them the ball. If, because if it works, you got to do a third one.

Right. Right. And then so is a Winston Duke? Yeah. Is he, is he, so I know that they were going to lead with the sister and then that she turned out to not,

to be, I guess, she made a lot of choices that didn't work out too well. But then Winston Duke, I also heard was, I know his role got upgraded substantially. Right. But I don't know.

know what that looks like with optics because Shory would be the obvious choice. I don't know if they could redo the entire script. Like I don't know. You know what I mean? Like that movie is the most... It's the tragedy of the loss. It is the biggest sequel because the first one is so impactful

and important. It's also a movie that kind of like I don't want to demean the other Marvel movies, but it's kind of the one that like means the most in real life. Like it, you know I mean? Like in our plane it's the most important. So like I don't know what they can do. It's also one of the I get it was it was for costumes.

and whatnot, but it's one of the only MCU Oscar winners. I think it is the only Oscar winner. And it is the only one that's been nominated for Best Picture. And it is, until No Way Home, I believe, was also the highest grossing solo film. Yeah. Well, yes, it's right.

It's just a question of how you do it because of all the things. But anyway, I'd introduce maybe the idea of another Black Panther in Dr. Strange to set up the idea And that's where we're going to go with a second. But before we get there, ladies and gentlemen, I also want to tell you guys about Coinbase. And so if you didn't know about Coinbase,

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We'll get back to it. I'll have to read. do that one. Before we do that, I also, I wanted to talk to you guys also, Coy, you mentioned about the multiverse with introducing Black Panther. Do you know if Ryan Cougler had any, was there any rumors of him working with Ramey at all? So I know there's like this brain trust at Marvel where they basically have the opportunity to have everyone consult with each other. Like I know James Gunn helps out a lot in the cosmic stuff and all those things. So I, I know Ryan Cougler is now part of that brain trust. I just don't know if that confirms or not Wakanda influence.

And the reason I say Wesley Snipes is because that's why Blade exists is because he wanted to play Black Panther. But they were like, that's an obscure character. And they'd give him Blade. So it'd be kind of cool to have him through, it'd be like, oh, Blade, no, it's not. I get that. But if you're trying to potentially introduce who's going to really take up the mantle in this universe that we're in? Oh, I say don't introduce him in this one. I'm saying introduce the idea of a new Black Panther.

That way, you see the multiversal impact. You know what I mean? You were talking about the Illuminati. Yeah, have a different one there. So if you want to Illuminati Snipes in there, That's what I mean. And that way you have them next to the other read. And then maybe they all get taken out.

Right. And that way you're like, oh my God, all these heroes just died. And then you realize it was a multiversal set that we were never going to invest in anyway. But that way you have cool cameos introduction, introduction, trauma impact. You get the stakes raised. But you also get the opportunity to have the Black Panther wound. You know, you address it. Right.

You acknowledge that there might be another Black Panther. Yeah. I just wonder if at all, if Ryan Cougar is going to, if he did anything for sure, like, And how, because it's just a tricky, it's a tricky circumstance all the way around how they're going to play it, but because it also comes down to how much they're going to involve Wakanda now in the story and all that.

It's supposed to be a TV show. I'm just so curious now of how, like, so Mike Klanowski brought this up. Do you think that this is the end of the multiverse as far as them? You think they're going to introduce it just to kill it? I think no. I think no. He wants that to happen.

He doesn't like the multiverse. He's over it. But for me, that's such a limited. I just think, I just want to see. I'm confused. I think that he,

I think it's because he just doesn't want to rely on everything. Like there's no stakes. There's no stakes in the multirisc of people. Because you can always bring something. Like look at, um, uh, Gomorra.

Right. Sure. It's like she died. It's like, yeah, but she's still, she's still around. Even though the conflict is Star Lord not having the one he loves.

Totally. So it's got to fall in love with her all over again. He's got a 50 first date, sir. You don't think. explain it to me. I'm on board with it. I'm just going to his point of view. I can answer that and that they will get there, but no, they're not going to cabosh what is essentially one of their biggest things that they've set up as we've said since 2016. What they will probably do, and Coy, you can back me up on this. When you start getting into Secret Wars, when you start getting

into all that stuff where you end up with all the universe is collapsing and then one finally coming together, we will get there. But if I had to guess, that's probably end of phase five. Yeah, I imagine this brings in the X-Men. This brings in the fantastic forward. This allows for so many opportunities. I don't think you close the door on this kind of storytelling. Two hours. Two hours to do it. Two hours to do it.

There's no way. You got two hours and six minutes. And without credits, that's like an hour 58? Well, how long? This movie was like, and the first one's like two 15? Yeah. Something like, it's short. It's short.

Let me ask. Let me ask. Let me ask. Let me ask. Hey, Siri, how long is the first Dr. Strange? That's an interesting question. I found the runtime of Dr. Strange is one hour and 15. five minutes.

Well, almost not even two hours. Yeah. So it's not even two hours. So actually this movie's longer. But like it's got so much more to do. It's fine. I know,

no, it does. I mean, depending on how much, I mean, it could, there could be a lot. You don't think it was a lot to do? It does have a lot to do,

but more than the OG, no, because you got to set up and think up. You remember, there was no mysticism yet. So you had to set up all of mysticism. You had to set up, you know, what that whole world was,

Dr. Strains origin, set up Dormammu, which you don't really, but you kind of do. Yeah. And let alone, you mention the multiverse, you mention all these things

that are about to be key elements. This feels... Set up more do. This feels like Winter Soldier. You're not having to necessarily sit up as much because remember, we've already got it through time travel. We've already got it.

So you're going to get an expansion. You understand the rules already. Right. You don't have to explain the rules. You just have to expand on it. And then that's where I think the shows are going to be so clutch. Yeah.

You really need to know what Wanda's going through. Bitch, we gave you a whole show for that. And honestly, that's like the comics. Like you need to keep it up on your weekly books if you want to get the events. And I've been saying from the beginning, you want the shows to be the weekly titles and you want the movies to be your big annuals and your big events. And I think that Marvel with their bubub billions with like a B, they know people are going. So you don't need to tell a whole story.

You could tell that second act, which we'll see if that sells. Here's my question when it comes to that. Spoiler alert. Right. So he learns how to do all this stuff in this movie because you can see from even when he puts the cape on and he becomes and you can see that version. That's a pretty fun. That's a pretty great moment. Yeah.

When the Cape chooses him and they even say as much and he just kind of just accepts it, which I liked. And then when he shows up and the music kind of swells when he comes up and you see it. It's like, oh, that's for, that was for the Doctor Strange, like hardcore. Like, Matt Keepe probably lost his mind when it happened. Yeah. Yeah. And so I like when they did it.

I like how you see, like, just knowing, once again, just saying the same thing we did before, seeing how he's going to become that version that we know from end game and all, And all this stuff. My question is, if he does, so he know, in No way home,

he is part of the spell where he forgets about, that Peter Parker is, but he knows Spider-Man, I guess, right? So this is where, are they going to dive into that at all?

Like when, because he's obviously aware that he messed with the multiverse, but does he know why he mess with the multiverse? I think that that was a fracturing, but not the actual big event. I think there's going to be an event that happened to be in the universe.

think he does it again? Yeah, I think he does something else. Okay, so you don't think it's... I think he does something to save Rachel McAdams. Again, so off of what is type thing. Yeah. I think that you're right, but I think that's the straw that broke the camel's back. I think that was another, I think No Way Home was another straw.

This is the newest straw. This is the straw that breaks the back. Yeah, exactly. Because, because if you think about it, we have so many things affecting it right now. So you have, what, Wanda, and everything that she did in, because they keep bringing it up. But why is it that when you mess with it? TBA. Loki, that was maybe the next one, the fact that you killed it.

The snap, I think, is in there for sure, but you also have the argument that it was kind of undone. But all that cosmic energy at least had something to do with it. So between No Way Home, Wanda Vision and Loki, this is just the, they stopped a celestial being from birthing out of the planet. The eternal, the turtles and would that stop the multiverse, though? I just think it's that big cosmic level of it. I just think energetically. Does Moon Night have anything to do with this? No, I think Moon Night is very, very smart and staying removed.

I think Moon Night to me the most attached to any product. It feels like a project at all is Eternals. I think that's the closest. That's the closest. But I do think that Moon Knight is, especially with Oscarizes's contract, not touching the stuff on purpose. Okay. What's his contract? He's not, this is the only thing.

So he doesn't want to be tied into the universe. He doesn't want to be tied. He's willing, but he wants to get to choose his scripts because of Apocalypse because of Star Wars because of, like look at what they did to him. He literally got to play. He only signed up for six episodes. And he produced it also. But he's not attached to any other movies, any other shows. This is all he has to do.

So that's why they're not tying. in as much. Yeah, just in case. And like, that's also Moon Knight, the comic character. This is the first time they were doing. They've done that since like the OG phase one. So what's cool is now he gets to negotiate for the quality of the writing. Now he gets to negotiate for what properties he wants to be involved with. And tonally,

it'll be more like, oh, Moon Knight's here, which is how the comics feel. Like when Moon Knight shows up, that's like, shit got real. The funny thing is, I know that they'd love to compare Moon Knight to Batman, but I always compare him to the question. Yeah, it's where it's like, you're on the edge of breaking. Yeah. And you were so weird. Yeah. But you're coming in, whooping ass.

Yeah, we need you. We don't know why. Well, that's the last episode. Well, this, I get, I'm telling you, man, it sounds like you just went to Taco Bell and said, I can't hold it in. Audience, I made eye contact that time. I really, I really hope it was so. I was looking for you to know when he moved to the chair. I got to try to bring out.

You know what I realized I can do. We need to mic the chair. No, no. I'm going to see if, if it's, if we actually have that. We have the isolated audio? I think so. Hold on. Oh, no. Let me see. That was actually the straw that broke the multiversal.

Yeah, that's how it was right there. You just ripped a whole multiverse, bro. Hold on. Let me see if I can. No, Mexican pizza is back next month. I heard. Happy Tuesday. Am I wearing the same thing from? Oh, I can't do it.

Happy Tuesday. Darn it. Oh, well. Oh, Mexican pizza next month. Next time. I'll make sure it's real. Yeah, it's true. Something else I had.

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I mean, like the music is really good in it. I thought Erickson's a great job. So he was attached to the second one and then just, I guess he's one of those few directors. It happens in Star Wars all the time, but in Marvel, it was just creative differences, right? Yeah, yeah, he wanted a different property from the sounds of it. And then the universe just expanded, like phase four got so much bigger. Yeah, I thought that he, from what he wanted to do, he wanted to go even more heavy into the horror element, because Ramey still is taking those horror elements for sure. But it's tying into the multiverse.

So, I mean, it has to. I think that, I don't know. But I think Scott wanted to make a Doctor Strange 2, and Marvel wanted to make a Doctor Strange 2 and a half. Like, it feels like, you know, kind of like Civil War is a Captain American movie, but it's so much. It's an Avengers movie.

Yeah, so I feel like, I think that he wanted to make Winter Soldier, and they wanted him to make Civil War, and he was like, we're good. Right. Thanks. I think that that's the thing now, because they don't,

they're not making any more Avengers movies. Not the foreseeable. I think there was someone that, I think there was a report recently that said they weren't. I mean, I've heard conflicting reports. I can't remember where it was, but there was like an official report. There was a quote from Fygis.

he's not making Avengers. I would take a wild guess. The same way that Fagie loves to, like, kind of feed us stuff, but say it in a way. It'll be young Avengers or new Avengers. That's what I'm saying. You're not going to get this OG team that we've had again, but you're about to get Young Avengers. You've set up too much to not.

You know what I mean? Every kid has been introduced. But going off your point is that it does turn the multiverse. Yeah. Dr. Strange 2 into a platform to essentially make that. Right. where you can have all these different characters and have some fun. And there are those moments that you want to have a lot of fun like we did with the Toby and Andrew moment.

So you'll have some of those. But going back into this film in general, like there's really, I think that, what was the character? What is Chilettel Edgifor's character's name? Barre-Mordo. So Mordo, to me, was the most, I mean, because the Benjamin Bratt stuff that they do was. Fresh off Catwoman set, still playing basketball. Was he playing basketball on that too?

He's, I think he just put some. It's brutal. His two comic book appearances I'm just like playing ball poor Benjamin Brett. But that's just a... What a career that guy had, though, man. Oh, yeah.

Julia Roberts alone. Yeah. No, Brett's doing just fine. He's, he can cameo in Dr. Strange. He's doing just fine. And he's so good at like... But it's a big cameo. It's a big move.

It's like, because that ultimately turns more into ultra-villain. But also is... What leads Dr. Strange in his path? Like, arguably Benjamin Brett's the biggest character in the movie. Massive. And it's,

funny that as we were just talking about before like the development with him in that moment the way that they set that up like there's only like two what two scenes with him right yeah and they're so monumental because it is the first two catalyst yes the first scene sets strange into motion but it's also because you got to have a good actor in there to say okay look man I don't know you I remember when I went to see you yeah and you said I can come he was like but and then he tells him about it and it sets him on his path and then because of that scene and how much it meant to him and said about the enlightenment that he had and then that's ripped away from him at the end that's it's brutal and you need to care about him so yes yes i also love how they set up the scene with him with that orderly that was like

just to shut you up like i love oh it's just you're arrogant ass up yeah i love how he got the file that felt very it was clever that was that was that was dope i was just gonna ask y'all and i i haven't been able to shake it once you brought up the character you think that motherfucker would be cheating the basketball oh yeah like he's got mystical powers a little extra you know what i'm saying he sees that it's slightly off, he just bends. Yeah, he's not a full mystic arts master, but he's like, dude,

Steph Curry was studying with those. That's what I'm saying. Steph Curry was Sorcer Supreme at some point for sure. Yeah, for sure. But I'm trying to, is there anything else sticking out? The visuals, I just feel like

the sequences where we get the full hot topic insanity and the inversion plus the, I love the fact that when they're in London, they let the tiles replicate and it like, kind of like shivers all around. And you're so disoriented that it feels like the old Steve Dicko drawings that you sometimes had to turn the comic.

Like it's so. So is that straight out of the comics? Oh, that's cool. Yeah. So the guy that invented Dr. Strange also invented Spider-Man. So Stanley and Steve Dicko are a duo. Those are the two characters they invented together.

Yeah. And I love that one of them was because nobody likes spiders and they wanted to try to like, you know, make that work. And the other one is like, what if we just make drugs? Like, what if we make drugs in the comic? And so for that to translate to the medium of film and to have you feel, like I know, I'm more of a hallucinian guy than the pair of you, but to have it feel like that almost intensely organic,

almost paranoia, like sometimes when you do drugs, they're with you, sometimes they're against you. And I really like that you have both of those journeys with these visuals. Like, the moment with the hands and the fingers in hands and fingers and hands, like I've been there.

It's an acid trip. And it's beautiful that they were able to make you feel that like rush of it and then to have it feel somehow like you've lived it before, even if you don't do drugs. And then also the ability to feel like you're seeing things, as they are in other realities, in a movie with just slight modifications. Like the way we see color is translated through our eyeballs.

We're not actually seeing color. We're seeing data that's being filtered through our brain and telling us what those colors are. That's why everyone sees color differently. The movie feels like it captured that for me, but on a grander scale. And I don't know how they preconceived it. I don't know how they storyboard.

I only made it, but I think that's the closest to showing someone, that and everything everywhere at once, is showing someone what it's like to do psilocybin or LSD without having doing it. And that's just so impressive. Yeah. I mean, look, the way that they set it up and the way that they made that you look for sure. I mean, because it made me very inception-esque when they did that.

But the other one, you know, we're not talking about it as much is Wong. Yeah, Wong's so great. He's so good. And but he's the same thing that we were talking about because we've been with him a lot of different times too, whether he's showing up in Shang-Chi, you know, like, oh, it's Wong, you know, something you did an new sorcerer screen? Yeah, but you know, but you know, what's funny about that and we don't think we ever talked about this is that doesn't Wong

because he says because he says the reason why in in no way home that he became Sorcerer Supreme is because strange blipped. Yeah. But didn't Wong disappear? No. Are you sure? Yes. He was one of the few that actually survives. If I remember correctly, I'm, I'm, I don't watch that. I don't watch that. I don't, I, I, I am pretty sure. Are you Googling who this, who blimp? I'm trying to see. I'm, like, pretty positive that Wong, because if, If I remember when they're doing the hologram thing, it's what Rocket, Acoye, Captain Marvel, Wong, I believe, and then Natasha on that call.

No, I guess he got, the source that he did get snapped is the original shooting script from 2017. So you might have heard that. So did Wong get snapped? Here's what the, so after a lot of back and forth, I'm still confused as if Wong was snapped on the Avengers. He didn't, as you said, official marketing material in 2019 confirmed it as well as

Benedict Wong himself. The source that he did get snapped is from a shooting script where he was going to be among the faces shown at the film. But given that he specifically was cut from the film two years later, let's say, I think it was clear he wasn't snapped. Okay, so I guess he didn't. I swore he was on that call. Maybe, you know what, I might be, I might be directly conflating the Shang-Chi similar phone call via like hologram or whatever. Oh, and like putting those together in your head.

In my head, I think I'm mashing the two scenes. It's almost like there's 32 movies. I know. Wow, it's really 32? I mean, I consider the shows. Like, I rank them with the shows, but yeah, it's 32 properties now. Jesus. With Moon Night.

So many. But it's a, I mean, it's a, I mean, it really is a, it, there, even though you can say, whether it's Thor, Dark World, or Iron Man 2, or a few of these movies that you didn't, that you don't like. They're so consistent. There's never. What's a truly, like, terrible? MCU, like terrible.

Like a movie that you're just like, Thor the Dark World is the closest for me. See, it's so funny when I watched that recently, didn't hate it. I bet's I'm saying the closest. It's still like a B-minus C plus. It's not like movies like like Batman and Rob. There are bad. Like it's really bad. I got bad

movie like really like oh I can't. I just can't watch it. Again, Thor the Dark World is the only one and but to be honest what If you like these movies, I'm clearly I clearly know that there's people who hate him and and they don't like these movies all but the movies, people who like these movies in general. I think what saves through the Dark World is because you lean so heavily into that brother

relationship and what, and Loki's whole, like, again, him being the outcast of the family. Yeah. That it saves a lot of the problems with the film. Right. Where would you rank? Where would you rank this one though? This one. Dr. Strange?

Yeah. Now after watching it. Even after the rewatch, it's still a mid and that's just because there are so many excellent films that it just, it's not going to outplay for me, you know, end game, Infinity War. Yeah. No Way Home, Black Panther, OG Iron Man. Like, there's so many really, really good ones that it's good, but there's a lot outranking.

It's so funny. I need to go back and look at them after we're watching all of them, too, because I still, yeah, because there's certain, the newer movies that have come out, what are the new movie? Shung Chi, and I know that I'm in the minority here, that I like the Turinels better than Shung Chi. Interesting. Yeah, I thought Shung- Is there something new?

It was more of that kind of sci-fi Sure. Over and I like the God's element That's why I like also the stuff they're doing in Moon Night

and I think I saw Shang-chid way too late after all the hype Got it. So, because I thought it was good. I didn't think it was great. Well,

I thought it was also good and not great and the other thing that got me was people being like this is the greatest one of ever and I was like,

no, it's not. It's good. It's really good but it is not the greatest ever. No.

Like, let's not be caught up in the hype right now. That happens a lot. And I think that I wonder if that's going to happen with Dr. Strange too, but with Dr. Strange one,

and I wonder because Derekson set up this so well, like, because his style is all over this movie. Yeah, it really is. So,

and his style was even adapted into No Way Home. Yep. And it was adapted into these other things. Like I was saying with James Gunn where you incorporate. So it's my 22 of 32. Okay.

So let's see where. God, damn. That's lower than a minute. I mean, it's still. But like, it's just, there's so many. But you said it jumped up for them. It was lower.

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and because it did the impossible in that I think the characters you love the most are harder to buy on screen. I've like, I learned to read it Spidey, so I judged his movies the harshest. So the fact that I love his movie the most,

like that. And it made you love Toby McGuire somehow. Somehow. Yeah. Somehow it made me at least. He's like, come on. That actually is probably, now it all makes sense. You know what I mean?

You had so much to say during the reason. So for you to come fully 180. Yeah. And be like, you know what, this fixed everything for me. It did a lot, man. Well, those rewatches, because what that did, and I'm curious what it does for Dr. Strange 2 is going to do, because what that, when No Way Home did was it turned five movies that you thought

were just separate movies into MCU canon. And that's incredible. And doing it in a way that feels smart and on purpose and clever. And also doing it a way that has fan service moments that don't feel like pandering. No. Like that's why that movie is so special

because it's able to give you everything without it being like when you eat a candy bar and you get to the end, you're like too sweet. It never got too sweet. It just stayed great and it was nutritious and it moved the plot along. And to be honest, I've never seen a movie to a six movie origin story

and the movie ends with Peter Parker as Spider-Man for the first time, really? While giving you an Uncle Ben asked Toby and an actual Peter Parker and Andrew Garfield. Well, Coy, do you think part two of this movie, Multiverse is going to enhance, because you already said this, after rewatching this movie, it jumped up. Because of everything that's happened in these other movies, do you think that, A, multiverse could jump even way higher in your ranking,

and then B, could it enhance one even more so? What's going to be interesting is the trick, the magic trick of bringing in a universe has been done now with No Way Home. They brought in the Spider-Man. Right. So we've heard Xavier's voice in the trailer, but I don't know if the magic trick can feel that special again because we've had it.

Like we've seen the universe fold in and we've got that growing. But I don't know if that's going to enhance Dr. Strange one. I also don't know if I'm capable of the issue is if love's true. Yeah, no, that's problem. But with 22 movies, like a Doctor Strange at 22, that's only because the 21 above it, I genuinely have like at least a B plus it up for. Show me.

Stranges right here after after. So wait a minute. What do you got? Black Widow is higher for you. Oh, really? I really liked David Harbour. I really liked the choreography. David Harbor and Florence Pugh are incredible.

Yeah. But I don't know. Like after rewatching Strange, I don't know if I could agree with that. Yeah, see, I mean, I need to watch Black Widow. And I need to,

I've only seen Black Ode the twice. I think that for, the way that I rank and everyone's rankings are different of us. But I look at the way that you look at how it enhances the overall, like, library. Yeah.

And to me, Dr. Strange enhances the first one enhances the library significantly more than Black Widow. You could take Black Widow out of the MCU and it wouldn't hurt it. You take out Dr. Strange and it destroys it. I agree. The other thing that's so interesting about that

is again, Widow should have gotten her movie a long time ago. The only thing that that movie actually served a purpose for was to introduce Elainena. Just introduced her Elena. Right, because nothing of the rest of that movie. That's a good thing. point because it made her appearance in Hawkeye's

and they really mean more to me. Right. When I saw it because I knew about her. And we're getting a whole new wave of Dark Avengers effectively. Right. Right. And she's fantastic. So, but anyway, but this, I'm trying to think that, because what I really liked about having, because remember the big, there was the big controversy, obviously about putting Tilda Swinton and that's seemingly, it's seemingly dying down since. But like she, when she shows up in Infinity War, it's great. Yeah. Or it's endgame. Endgame.

It's end game. It's end game. When she shows up in it, right, because it's when Smart Hulk is. I called myself. I caught, but I called myself this time. I didn't go on. I watched all the movies this week. But that's a different one because that's part of at least the same, the kind of same continuity.

Christian, you're worse than me when I used to compete it every time. I was like, I don't know some white lady did it. That's right. What's going to be crazy is when there's the multiversal scene with Laura Dern as the ancient one. 100%. It's just going to be so messed up. No, no, no. No, no.

No. It's Juliet and Borrell on the Illuminati, bro. What will happen is I will say, hey, you guys remember that whole scene when like the, he fought the ghost in the, in the, in a hospital scene, like, and then Sam Ramey directly, like, dude, that was the first movie. He watched that weeks ago. What are you talking about? Years ago.

Anyway, so look, we had the, this is Dr. Stranger. We went through a lot of different things in this, but. We didn't give long enough love, but know that it's implied because that he stole the movie He is great. And I think that he was also, every time he shows up. And his, the Beyonce stuff was great when he's listening to Beyonce, but his, his, his comedic timing is really good and then because it sets it up every time that he then shows up and so what we're going to do is and I thought that this is something we could kind of talk about we're going to do the what

if strange episodes we're going and maybe we can do a full episode of what if strange episodes the Avengers scenes right and then um no way home well no way home I think should be a separate one so like so a doctor strange miscellaneous yeah the only reason I was suggesting maybe we do no way home with that is because since we just did a full no way home watch like a rewatch a rewatch of it i mean we could just do the dr strange but i just don't know what we're necessarily going to call it dr strange uh break down i don't know we whatever it is we could we can we watch all of those scenes because because it's a good point in even in no way home he's only in a significant chunk so we can we could watch his scenes in no that's true we could we could just focus on all right so let's do we'll do all the all this

he's not in civil war no he's not around yet he's not around yet he's named dropped his name dropped and no is it in Winter Soldier that he's named after he's like he's like he's like he got this he got this Stephen Strange right right right which is interesting because how did they know

he wasn't a thing yet maybe he was just really smart I mean he's guy too smart we don't want him in it we don't want a hydra there could be reports look man

the Loki the Loki people put stuff in there too you know a lot of there could be reports that you knew and with all the celestials and stuff that people People knew what people were going to date. In another universe,

Stephen Strange, by the Martin. They knew, I mean. Do we need to watch some of Wanda Vision because she clearly has a massive influence on this movie? Nah, I mean, that's as recently. It's true. Yeah, I mean, no, but he's saying, but we didn't cover that.

We didn't cover that. I'm saying we just covered No Way Home as my name. You know, look, this is what I'll say about that. I don't think it should be required viewing, but like, if any one of us wants to watch them to be, to be able to bring it up, sure. I got it. It's a really good show.

I've only watched the show one time through. I've watched some of the, episodes twice, but I haven't watched the whole thing. I wish I could get my wife to watch that one. I wish I had the time to watch as much as I want to watch. Like you're describing this, my wish I had 20 hours to watch. Like everyone.

Well, that's why I'm going to, I mean, that's because I'm still, because Moon Night is wrapping up soon. There's only two episodes left. So that'll be six. Yeah.

Yeah. And then you get Obi-Wan. It's also six. So May 27th is insane. Nuts. Obiewan, Strang of things. In general, bro.

Yeah. Yeah. I know. April's been crazy. We've had the best run of April. I think I've ever seen. Really? Sonic 2 is,

I think the best video game The Northman is incredible. Everything everywhere. Oh, you're not as far as quality. Yeah, yeah. It's not allowed to cover

on YouTube. No, not like stuff. But like as far as movies, we've had it. Like April's never this good because everything got pushed. Yeah,

I mean, well, they usually, remember Avengers just to come out in April. Oh, like the second last year. Because they started when, when, I thought it was May.

No. May 3rd was a while then I think they moved in a little bit. And then Fast and Furious took over April because before the world went to hell, the summer season was getting to a place where there was just too much. Yeah,

every week. April, April was the real big one kicked off. And then, you know, not even soft though. Like I said, it was Avengers and all these big movies started to come out in April.

Fast and Furious started doing it to take over April. Now we're getting back to a place where it's like, I was looking at the movies that are coming out and they're limited. So. We got to do Top Gun before Top Gun too, right? Yeah, we'll rewatch Top Gun for sure. Yeah.

And we're going to do a rewatch, I guess, on Patreon too. I went to tell you guys. So we have the patrons voted on this. There's four choices. I'll let you guys know. If you guys can do it,

we'll talk about it. The vote ended? I forget the four. I can tell you the four that on Patreon that, give me a second. The options. Yeah, I can give you the options of what they are.

I can't, let me see. Because we're doing the one two punch of grab bag, Dr. Strange, and Jurassic Park 3 next week then. Jurassic Park 3 will be, when this airs will be this week. Just part with this Friday.

So we did Dr. Strange. This is Tuesday and then Friday is... JP3. Yep. Got it. So, all right, I'm going to try to find this because I want... And for people who are not... I got to watch Travis.

Yeah. Oh, I started... It's funny. I started watching it and it's like... Laura Derns all up in it. Bro. Fuck you. The one...

But see, my issue, because I, again, just saw it recently for the first time. Bro, how you go ninja a super T-Rex? Like, how they not know that homie is, like, right behind you? Like, here there. Here are the four. Predator, the Big Lobowski, Truman Show, and The Terminator. Any of those I'm in for.

I love all those movies. I've never seen the Big Lobowski. What? All right, so we'll see. That might be the answer. But we'll see. We'll see what happens when they... I went to the dude bar on sunset last night.

They're going to say what the boat is. There's a Big Lobby Bar now. Okay, look. Thank you guys so much for joining us here today. This is Dr. Strange. We did our rewatch of Dr. Strange. By the way, if you didn't know, tomorrow, Sith Council will be on.

And Sith Council is no longer has its own podcast feed. It is on this. podcast feed. So Big Thing, you find Big Thing 3. Basically, Sith Council is now an extension of Big Thing. It's just our Star Wars show. So there's now four episodes a week of Big Thing. And this week you get five. You had Monday's episode, Tuesday's episode, and tomorrow will be Sith Council. So that'll be the Wednesday. And then Thursday will be a separate episode. And Friday will be Jurassic Park 3 rewatch. So you got a lot of material on the channel, obviously. And then if you are listening for podcast listeners and people who really been enjoying the rewatches on podcasts,

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