The Kristian Harloff Show - REWATCH: Spider-Man Far From Home (2019) Deep Dive | The Big Thing

Episode Date: November 19, 2021

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What's up everybody? Welcome back to the big thing. Welcome back to the rewatch series here on the channel. Thank you so much for joining us. And we're almost, almost done. Holy crap. We are far from home is the episode today. It is the lead-up to No Way Home. And yes, the trailer came out. We'll talk a little bit about that for sure. We also watch these scenes from Infinity War and End game because that ultimately leads to this movie, the same way that Civil War. led up to Homecoming. Yes. Winston A. Marshall is here. Yes. Coy Gendrew, the very elite Coy Gendrew, who got to moderate a said panel that we'll also talk about soon. But a lot of fun here, guys. We're excited to get going.

This is going to be a blast. So join us, everybody. Here is the rewatch. We're doing a rewatch. Squirrels to Eminems. That's what we're doing. Hello, everybody. Nice to have you back.

Oh, man. Almost done with this rewatch series. It's fun. It's exciting. It's a bit sad. Well, I don't, I shouldn't say a rewatch series in general's coming to a minute, but the Spider-Man rewatch series. And I am here. Winston, a Marshall is here.

And, Quix, he's here. So what's up, dude? So stop holding back. Like, you got a big secret. How did it go? You pray? Dude, I have my own story about this, but I want to hear you first. When you texted me, I was like, yeah.

Like, I didn't know how to like, it was. I'll explain. Finish your story first because I have a story about you hosting that. Oh, hilarious to me. Okay, okay. So the preamble is it all started with Jake Gyllenhaal. So I was doing the Jake shot. Look at that.

Look at that. That's, look at a smile. Bro, bro. You know, I'm happy. Like, act like you've been there before, bro. Jesus. I didn't even know. Oh, dude, I'm standing next to the Spider-Man.

I know. I'm laughing because Tom's just like, hello, I'm Tom Holin. I mean, you guys, that audience was literally the coolest concert space. Like, I was vibe, man. I'm chees and harm. I would be super cheesied me for cheeson. I don't blame you for cheeson. I'm just laughing because, like, hello, I guess there's a trailer here. And, of course, like, hey, it's the Spider-Man.

Did you know the Spider-Man? All right. So tell me about it. Oh, shit. Oh. I thought it was the squirrel, and it was the dog. How did he get out?

I don't know. Here, you guys, you guys talk. All right. Holy God, that's weird. Is it safe to pet now? Is this the safe? Okay, I'm glad I'm not. He's running around.

Hi, buddy. The shots and stuff. I want to make sure, okay, we're flying in. We got a puppy flying in. Puppy flying over. We got a puppy flying over. Oh. Oh, my heart.

I thought it was the squirrel, dog. I thought it was the squirrel. How big was that? squirrel in your mind for those two seconds. Did you actually visualize a 10 pound squirrel? Dude, I thought it was over. Like a full like, okay, this is how I die. This is it.

Okay, so for those that no one ever anticipates that squirrels are going to get you, but it happens. For those that don't know, Christian apparently has had a squirrel attack where this dude keeps coming in. There's a Paddington Bear like cookie jar. And this thing has gotten smarter enough to pull the head off the Paddington Bear, steal M&Ms, and run off. So I straight up to my brain,

Christian telling us this and that he's not scared of people. He just does whatever he wants. My brain is going when this dog is climbing up. Oh, the squirrel's taking me away. I'm not going to lie to. I thought it was a squirrel. Yeah, I just didn't. So this squirrel, by the way, I talked about it on yesterday's show, or Wednesday show, rather.

So this squirrel, he's been in here. I can't even tell him how many times he's been here because I haven't seen him. I only saw him. I knew that. I saw him the first time. I caught him. He ran out. Then my daughter said he was approaching.

You know, the door. She was playing Xbox. She's like, he's right by the door. He was right there and I go, all right. And then I caught him. I was on a phone call at work. He's going through the Paddington thing. He steals Eminem's he runs off.

So the little bastard was in here again yesterday after I did the show. So at least three. I meant him, probably 30. If you've seen three, it's 30. If the door was open, he was here. So now the door is always shut. Yeah. But I try to crack it just a little bit.

I want that playback. That's the clip out of this week. Last week we found out I pick. This week we saw you versus squirrel. I know I only get one and that's on S. Not on the big thing. Yeah. So that was pure terror.

This is why I'm not allowed to go to Not Scary or to Universal Hollywood Horror Nights Because I will literally scream exactly that at every monster and just like just but that was just an adorable pug So it was so cute very once I looked down But at the time I felt the little ankle nip and I was just like I should be more afraid then I looked and I was like okay good You panicked first yeah no I definitely So I almost did the black thing where I got up and ran through the wall bro I mean so that's spider man okay so no way home So a couple different things to try to steer this back on track if possible.

Good luck. Last week we had the realization you guys worked with each other. This week, we have squirrels and dogs. Very intense. Things are getting real and the big thing. It really is. All right. So getting into the first thing here and that is...

I almost made a big thing in my pants. I can smell it. So the trailer drops, we've all discussed it at length on all your blurds in the hood. You've been on Real Rejects talking about it. But the event itself, it gets there. The hype for the trailer, just seemed unreal in general online. What was it like at the actual event?

There was nothing like that audience. I was cheesing as much about the audience as Tom, because Tom is very, like reserved and British and very, and I'm so used to be like, hey, what's going on? And people would be like back at the energy. And Tom's just like,

ha ha, ha. Like, he maintains this very poised. Like, it doesn't leave that. He was wiping his eyes, though, for the years. No, he gets emotional that way. He doesn't get emotional big. He gets emotional inward. Like, he's a thespian.

He's actually probably out of, like, I've interviewed hundreds of actors. Out of the hundreds, there are very few that maintain this poise of like, I'm an actor. And the dude is just so centered, so focused. But what I loved is I was watching Tom Holland the fan and Tom Holland the actor simultaneously. When he was watching that trailer, he was with the audience. And we had another area for him.

He literally left that area sat down with the crowd to watch it. So Tom just wanted to be in it. That's so cool. And like to see him feel the memories of filming it, which is longer ago than we would have normally had. So there's some nostalgia. Also seeing him see all the special effects done, he'd seen the trailer. never on that big of a screen. So all of those emotions mixed with him loving Peter Parker so much, him loving the fandom. So he was emotional because that crowd, I've been in so many of these.

I've never been in a crowd that felt like Woodstock. There was not a moment. There was not a seat. There was not a seat. There was not a space in that room that wasn't me at a 12. Me at a 12. That's why you're there at that point. Yeah, but look, so the other thing is, and I want you to be honest with me here. Okay. How happy were you when Toby didn't show up because you would have to be over. Did you guys watch the footage? I didn't get to see everything. Okay, so there's a moment where I go, and now we're going to welcome Spider-Man himself. And there was a slight pause before I said Tom Holland.

In my brain, I went like, if I just said Toby. Right. Like, how much from monster would I be? I would never work again. You would be, you would never work. But I thought of you guys, which is the credit I'm giving the show, that there was a moment where I thought of you guys while it was introducing the real Spider-Bincent. He didn't think about it was enough to mention the fucking show. No, no.

I had all this free time. I had all this free. That's all. That's all you should have done. No one even knows my name at the event. I literally, I'm like, I gained like seven TikTok followers.

But that's actually the funny part to me. No one cares about it. I know how much you work. I know these things that you've done in these interviews. And I literally think to myself when you're watching anything like this, you go, who's that guy? Who's that guy?

But like at the same time, I was like, oh, there's Koi. They actually wanted a fan. Like they actually wanted a real fan. Of course. And that's why they picked.

Honestly, though, it's a credit to you that nobody was paying attention to you. I wanted to be to do it. I wore dark clothes. I talked, I tried to be. It's much better for them to either say one or two things. Oh yeah, the host is good. Just kind of an off.

Yeah. That's the best compliment that you can get as opposed to. I just wish it without someone else. I've not seen any talking shit. I saw Sony thanked me for being like, it's about Tom in the trailer. And I struggle with that. I do most of my own shows as. monologues because I'm not going to sharing spotlight.

But like this is something where I'm like, no, no, this is reverence, bro. Thank you. So like it's an effort. It's so like, I like, I like hearing from you very much. Winston, so,

uh, you, you were saying? Please stop talking. What was that, Winston? So yeah, what's your story?

My half of this is a buddy of mine. They called you first. They were like, you're like, close. Honestly, honestly close. No,

so a buddy in mine that I work with on Citizen, he has been like the go-to guy for like red carpets and shit on Marvel's at so Marvel called him being like we want you to do this whatever

but obviously this is more of a Sony movie than a Marvel movie technically so Sony like over they were like no we already got somebody and I was just like oh dude I'm so sorry

whoever the dude is is an effing prick he's not gonna do nearly as well as you but also because by him doing that he was like I can't make work

and this thing can you take over my shift so I'm like I'm about to make some money about to do So I screwed your buddy and you over. And so then when I was like, is that fucking cool? That's all I was like, bro, is that you at the trailer release?

Correct. And you're just like nothing for a minute. They're like, oh yeah, that was me. And I was like, I'm happy for you, but you're some bitch. So the trailer itself, it drops. We all, you know, overall thoughts. We like it a lot. There's so many theories that we have coming out.

Obviously, after all the movies. And it's, I have to tell you, though, the rewatch has helped tremendously. Yes. Because there's, and I even watching some of the comments on, because I did a trailer reaction when it dropped and looking at all. all the comments. People are like, I haven't seen this movie in a while.

I'm like, well, I watched it two weeks. Yeah. And knowing that certain things that had happened and being able to pick things up that were happening.

So we lead into this. We watch here today, afar from home. Mm-hmm. And we start with the scenes that happen. Infinity War, it's Tony and Spider-Man on the mission together as they now first meet Dr. Strange also,

which is, which is... Interesting to tie into where we're going. It ties into all this. So, watching this yesterday. Winston, what were your thoughts kind of leading up until all this? It was, I mean, it was really great. I think we got to the nitty gritty of what is making this Peter Parker, Peter Parker. And I think I can say once we get to far from home, I know why people

love to say this is to Iron Man Jr. But I don't think it's as bad still as people are building it up to be because I think where we are in the moment is so different than where we end up. Sure. So I think when you look specifically at how this is really more than anything, about Peter maturing into the hero he's going to be while traveling through space with Tony. You know what I mean? It really is just about their relationship and essentially where this is his superhero Uncle Ben,

more or less. And so I think it's important in that regard in the same way that when Peter becomes Spider-Man, Uncle Ben is on his mind all the time. I think that that's what ends up happening with Far from Home. And there is this idea that they keep throwing out, are you the next Iron Man,

are you the next Iron Man? And they ultimately are like, no, it's not that. it's that he needs to learn how to be his own man. He needs to learn how to be his own superhero and that they are continuing that narrative from homecoming. So seeing this in Infinity War and end game

and like the hug when he's like, oh, Mr. Stark, it's crazy. And you remember we on that planet? And then I saw it and Mr. Strange. And then he brought me over here and he was like, come on, they need our help. Like I was like, just watching that was just so, so beautiful to see.

And I still cry. Every time he's like, Mr. Stark, I don't feel so good. I still, I may not fully ball anymore, but I was like, He's a kid. And even that's what plays into these movies in general when you're watching him,

how it all ties in. He's a kid. He starts off as a 15-year-old kid. He's like 16 or whatever he is when he gets into this thing. And he's helping out. He feels it. So he's going to space. Yeah.

And then it's just the reverse of that where he's in that emotional state again. But this time it's the other side of it. Right. Where Tony, and they bring, and Happy brings it up in this film is that he's not going to make that decision to do what he did unless he knew that you were going to be there. Right. Like he's got that much confidence in you,

this 16 year old kid of what you have inside of you. Yeah. That it allowed him to do what he did. It's big. And that was an answer, one of Tom Holland's answers that really hit me because to me, that was the solidification of this guy is, is one of the fan questions was,

uh, what's your favorite characteristic of Spider-Man? And Tom, without missing a beat, said Peter Parker. And he's like, even when I want to do something wrong, I personally as Tom,

think of Peter Parker and what would Peter Parker do. And it drives me insane because I've got this thing in me where I know what this moral compass of Peter Parker is. So rewatching these movies after hearing directly from Tom, how he perceives Peter Parker, how that influences Spider-Man, how he's lived his life, how Peter Parker has changed not just his professional life,

but how Tom sees the world, which is why I like joke about his poise, but like, Tom Holland is so good. Like, the man himself is so wholesome and so good. We were leaving the little, like, holding area, and there was a girl that was the daughter of one of the Sony people that was just hanging out and being polite, and she was very sweet in that she wasn't trying to get a photo. She just literally wanted to say hi to Tom Holland.

And Tom comes out, and they're in a hurry. They're running late. They got stuff to do. And he goes, would you like a photo? Because he knows she won't ask because she's the daughter of a Sony person, all this stuff. And then Tom, like, configures, make sure is the lighting good, makes sure double checks the photo, while he's running late. And the whole thing was coming from a place of like,

this is what a hero would do, because this is more important to her than us being late. And that, when I rewatched it reads in every frame. I'm like, oh, that's what heroes do. It's funny,

though, because it's generational thing with him too, right? Because I'd gotten a text from a friend of mine and was, they put that video out where he and, and the actor who plays Ned and Zendai. Jacob and Zadah. So they were doing like the reaction to the trailer the day before it came out.

So this particular friend wasn't sure. Like, are they mocking people who are doing this? I said, No, no, no, no. I could see where people would read that. Yeah. I could see where people would.

I see the cynical, like, oh, look at them making big of, yeah. I could see that because, like, you know, but he is so, he's tuned into this space. He's, I remember, I remember right when he was cast, Tyrone Magnus, who, another big reactor had said, was in L.A. and ran into Tom Holland. And Tom Holland's like, oh, massive fan. Yeah. And, like, he watches the reaction videos. He watches these things.

So, like, it wasn't a mock thing. But again, I wasn't, I wasn't, despite my friend who said it, because I kind of understand the concern where you just, you assume from where it is movie stars, oh, they're not paying attention. They have so much more going on. He's plugged in. We talked about trailer reactions. Like, he and I talked about, because he knew real rejects. He knew me because of the Jake thing. Like, he knew this space. He's, he's in it. And it wasn't ironic. Like, it wasn't them watching it to be, yeah. So, like, he's in it, man. He's in it. It's, it's, it's, the one thing that I can say, when we look at the people that are playing these superheroes, you can tell when the casting was done

properly. Like, if you have the same resonance with them when you're watching it, if you look at how they act. So, like, clearly, Batista, loves playing drags. He's being real where he's like, I'm old. And he really loves, he loves working with James Gunn too. Yes, he does.

So offensive. But like him, uh, thinking about Chris Evans and how he really has embodied Captain America. How embarrassed he is when he swears on our stage that he's embodying cap. Like when it's another movie he doesn't, but when he's as cap. Right.

Well, because you know, you got to be because there's that air responsibility. Yeah. With, you know, power comes. Chadwick.

Exactly. Like the way he was carrying the mantle to Chala. Like it's, he was full regal. Like, Chadwick was something else. When they walked. when they did that whole, I think it was Jimmy Kimmel,

or it might have been found. I can't remember which one, but, uh, the talk to the people. Talk to the people and he would, and he would walk out. My favorite clips on the internet. But he just walked out so pure and like genuine. It didn't look for a second, for a second. It didn't look like, oh, I have to be here for PR. Like he wanted to be there.

And so this is the funny thing. There was a thing on black Twitter right around Infinity War where Black people were, probably people were so mean about it because there's a photo of him doing the Wakanda forever, he looks just like, uh, and everybody was like, the,

the captions were like, oh, when you said, Wakanda forever, you meant forever? Like, everybody thought like he was sick of it, but the truth is now that we know,

it's that he probably was just so tired. Oh, think about when he was, when he was ill. Yeah. And the picture came out, and everybody started tweeting now and saying like,

you look terrible and then it comes out and then those people. That's why I tell. That's why I always say, just be nice. Don't tweet before you know shit. Yeah. And I'll say Chadwick and,

and Tom, so I did 21 bid Bridges Press and I didn't know where Chadwick was like when I was going to be in the room. Like there's always that like you got to prepare to like, you know, be in the space. So Chadwick just was leaving at one point. So I just ran into him in the hallway. And he was with two people flanking him. And it wasn't Chadwick Bozeman. It was to Chala with two AIDS. Like my brain immediately went like, I have to bow. Like that kind of regality. But Tom's the same way in that when you're around Tom, you want to be good. Like the reason, like one of the reasons I'm cheeson in those photos is Tom Holland exudes this. Everyone here is my responsibility. And I have loved Spider-Man for so long to have me feel that energy next to him when he's talking about this character that I

thought I thought the world of. Like, I'm like proud of him. That's like a proud. I'm hearing an answer. You know what you look like? You look like Gwen Stacy. You should have kissed. You should have kissed. No, I'm like, I'm just so proud of someone being Peter Parker so authentically and them not being mad at themselves for it. I think a lesser actor would go, oh man, I've taken this too seriously and he's just like, no, I'm going to be this. He knows why, and especially the way that this particular thing is set up and that's

why when you go back to the rewatches and the comments have some people that who say that this is like, whether it's Iron Man or two Marvel centric, these are three different Spider-Man franchises, right? There's the two the two that really rely on the origin and all that and our stand-alones. And this one is connected to what is

ultimately a big television series on film. 26 episodes to date. And it's very clear in this, in this movie that we watch here today, or that we're talking about today. So before we get into, is there anything else inside of the two scenes or the two movies that we should touch upon? I'm trying to think. That's the main stuff. I mean, the biggest thing about these films, honestly, was the callbacks to everything else.

So I don't necessarily know if there's a lot that ties directly to what we're doing going forward. I think that's more where far from home comes into play. because most of the stuff in Infinity War and Endgame is really just about wrapping up everything before. It's an end of phase three, not a launch of phase four. Which is what's interesting about far from home is far from home is this like almost denouement. It's not quite its own launch of phase four.

It's more like a resolution of phase three. They always seem to an epilogue. Yeah, but you feel it more now that it's been a couple years. For me anyway. I was so emotionally in the far from home space when I watched it in theaters because we just lost Tony. Going back, it's really interesting to watch an epilogue almost out of context. you're like, oh, this is a separate kind of thing. So I think the biggest moment that's going to affect phase four,

we're talking about leading in, is not only the Iron Spider suit, but the concept of a suit of iron around, a suit of armor around the world with the difference in how Spider-Man saw that and how Tony saw that. When we lose Tony, he's put, and this is a commentary that I didn't pick up on until my third watch of end game,

but he couldn't put a suit of armor around the world. So we put a suit of armor around Pepper, a suit of armor around Spider-Man, a suit of armor around Roddy. So we're getting closer to. armor around his world. So it's essentially, it's essentially becoming iron,

this is where almost our lead into armor wars. It's a legacy thing. He put a suit of armor around his world because you could have been around the world. And I think that's going to come back. All right. So everything else though, as far as the scenes, those two scenes, excuse me, two movies, the majority of scenes, obviously like we said in this movie,

leads into the death of Iron Man, which has effect not on just everybody, but specifically Peter, which plays very much so into this movie. and is the first movie after end game and that we see with the blip and all of that. So we know that all has to be relevant. That's everything, right? The opening montage. Dude, this is so funny.

But hold on, hold on the montage because we talked about something because obviously there was so much to talk about in the lead-up. There was so much to talk about. But where we haven't got a chance to talk about yet that we have to. Switch your box. Hey. I, I, look, I don't know. Winston, you have, you've got the, you've got this thing.

Dude. I fall more and more in love with this. Dude. Every day. Yo, my girlfriend last night made, she took, we always get the salmon, right? Yeah. She took the salmon and she made a salmon sushi bowl. Oh my God.

It was incredible. I actually have a photo because I asked. Have you done it yet? I haven't. I haven't. I'm doing it for Christmas. You have to. I wish you would have done it earlier because they were giving away free Thanksgiving

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It's begun. Oh, okay. I was just, laughing because of for a minute because like obviously you got young kids but I was like man it looked like a daycare out here there's backpacks oh the backbacks are mine both those back yeah he's trying to say like or not that's that's an adult back that's all that stuff yeah even my kids are like clean their shit the kids are like dad it's like a daycare out here what are you doing

speaking of that kid montage at the beginning that level with the stock photos of like of the fallen Avengers and whatnot oh right no oh my god opening song with tony Stark. You know, it's Whitney Houston. Yeah. And it's a good start how the movie begins because they do that sometimes. What they wind up doing is they have this whole thing where they open with this strange, whatever music could be a lot of different times.

But it always fits. It always fits. You know what grew on me this time is the, the Toby, sorry, Tom score. That's amazing. The Tom score grew on me. This Spider-Man score because they used it more vibrantly. Like they used, they punched up scenes more. more in this. And they even use the Avengers for a brief second. That was amazing. So I think this one,

we talked about the reason it just slipped with Toby is, I think we all agreed that Toby's score is the most iconic. Yeah. That one to me is like you hear that and you've got a nostalgia wave. But this is the first time when I heard it the first time, the first time it swelled up, it gave me like memories of homecoming. So it was able to connect that Spider-Man for me in a real way. I agree with you. But I think that I still think that Danny Elfman score is the best. And I think that the, the amazing Spider-Man was still trying to find it. its theme. It might have gotten there

in the third one. You could play it to me right now. I still wouldn't recognize it. But this one to me, like stepped up. It stepped up. And I think in the MCU it's one of the top five

because a lot of them are not like. It's really good. It was just very well connected. Now the question I was going to ask you all, so right after the decision about going to Europe and all that and right before the meeting at the Salvation Army, it's supposed to be feasts.

Yeah, which is interesting. I'm thinking in the next one maybe like she does Which one remind me? So do you remember in the beginning? He shows up in the Iron Spider suit and they're doing a fundraiser. Oh yes, yes. So for those of you that are now watching this film and you're, you know, on Blu-ray or whatever,

there is a short film that they did that was, they originally had said it to be in the film, but they cut it for time. And they made it a short film called Peter's To Do-List. And it's a cute little thing of him going around the city, essentially giving us that friendly neighborhood Spider-Man, in New York as he wraps things up as he leaves. So one of them that we all saw in the trailer was him in the Iron Spider Suit, like, beating a bunch of, like, mobsters.

Yeah. So it's a part of this as well. It's like, it's like, get my passport. He uses the spider drone to get in there. It's like, go pick up like a dual headphone adapter so I can like, and he goes to the bodega with the person from the first one. It was very friendly neighbor. I wish it was in there.

But the best part is the very end where it's like, like you said it was like, stop the mob before I leave. Yeah, he gets. Stop the Amagia family. And it's like, eh, like he'll get there. Oh, ah, no, no, no, it's bulletproof. Just kidding. But all of that stuff that was relevant because what they do very well in the beginning of this film is they set up the blip. And they show that scene.

They use the comedy of when you see them first disappear. And then they should just show up in the bands playing in the middle of the basketball. Yeah. They talk about that thing that Aunt May is talking about how she was, she had her apartment. She goes back into her apartment. Without knowing it's setting up Falcon Winter Soldier because that is the main plot point of the show is that people that were living in a spot or come from the displace. Kevin Faggie does a 10-year-old. plan without knowing it Kevin Foggies sitting there like no

but even Wanda Vision even Wanda Vision has those moments too right they set it up in the this is but this is the first time it's really set up with the blep and then they set this thing up with with Aunt May but what I really took out of this particular scene with them was that he's just this is when they start

to really hammer in the part that the Tony Stark thing is starting to weigh on him right because at the end he just wants to be there's there for his aunt answer questions they start answer and he's just like does anybody and he says it again going back to the thing he's just a kid he's like can we just talking about the neighborhood stuff. Yeah.

Like the world stuff. I don't really want to deal with that. I'm a 16 year old kid. Which is why specifically I get why people were like there was too much. But I took it the exact opposite because I was paying attention to how he was taking it. And he was like, I don't want this. I just want to focus on me. But this is the world that this Spider-Man is in.

Right. It's an Avengers world. But like the Avengers are more involved in everything in this than the comics. That's what the Avengers are over here and X-Men are over here. And then the comics. In the Marvel films, it's Avengers. Avengers Avengers. So it makes sense

canonical. They were all set up already. So like when this Spider-Man, it's like, what movie was, was homecoming in the, in the order of,

of all the years? It was after Guardians to before Ragged. Right, but as far as number, that's just, right. So if it was like the second, like when Hulk came out,

it was a Hulk movie. Right. If Spider-Man would have come out as the second movie, it would have been a Spider-Man movie. Yes. But when you're that connected, even Iron Man and all these,

I mean, uh, Ant Man and all these movies, they're still connected to the overall universe. And you forget that Spider-Man, we don't forget, but that Spider-Man had already had two separate movies where the origin story's already there. Yeah. And they know better than, because they got all that guff with Amazing Spider-Man being so similar to Spider-Man.

And I would much rather be involved with the Iron Man story of him having to deal with all this inside of it, as opposed to, oh, his parents were part of it. And his parents invented the spider. And his parents, it's like, no. There's also one subtle scene in this movie. There's one subtle moment in this movie that ties into Spider-Man, Sam Ramey Spider-Man, that proves once and for all Tom Holland's better than Toby McGuire.

What's that? He actually cares about the item in his pocket that he's protecting from the villain throughout and doesn't disregard it and go like, I'll figure it out because he's not cynical and a bad Spider-Man. That's not Toby McGuire's fault. He looked at that ring like with snark. When he caught the ring, he's like, I'm awesome. Spider-Man doesn't think he's awesome.

I'm going to defend Toby here for a second. Is that that? We are never. never doing an interview with Toby McGuire. Oh, no. You know we are. Because I'm going to put you on a spot. I'm going to put you on a spot.

I just play a clip. You have a scissile. You are so right now because you know it's possible. Oh, and I know it's coming. Inevitably. You tell me right now, audience, what's more red? Your face or your jacket. Sody's like, Coy, we got another opportunity for you.

It's Toby McGuire. I'm like, oh. I'm telling you right now. You think that McCugia interview with Toby was something else? What happened in that one? It's not on the air anymore. It's not on the internet. Yeah, no, we took that one off.

But anyway. But he cares and he's not, like, he's not arrogant. He's invested. But to defend Toby for a second. I'm Sam Ramey and I don't like that shot. Play it less arrogant. Next take. He put that in there.

That's not Sam Ramey. That's not on Toby. I think John Watts, and to defend both universes, I think John Watts's Spider-Man has a better sense of humor overall, even in the punch-up jokes that allows Tom Holland to play a more heartwarming spot. Although the trailer, this trailer that just came out, which I really liked, the jokes were brutal. What the A-O-O-O-O-O-Crew and a couple of the other things. I'm curious how that land.

I like the dog-Octo joke. I thought that was, which one? The Otto Octavia. What's your name? Otherwise, snickering at his. It's a matter of context for me. Like, I got to see the movie before I start judging. It's a matter.

Like, I just don't like when it's jarring. I don't like when it's jarring when it doesn't fit. If it's a lead-up to where everybody's kind of already been. in this moment and then the kids laugh at it because they've already established this thing. But if it's just to get a crack. Imagine if you saw Arms of the Angel in the trailer, you would be like, what is this movie?

So I think in the movie those will work. Because you get in the John Watts movie, and because the humor does work in this particular film in general. And I know you guys probably already know this. Maybe not everybody knows this that's watching this movie. But when they go to, where's their first location that they want to go on? Venice.

So when he's there, and I know most of you guys know it, but like Beck's been watching him for the whole time. Yeah, he's in tons of shots. on the phone. He's on tons of shots. I saw him in the one shot. Oh, no, he's in seven shots. He was in nine in the first shot. I missed them. I didn't know that. I didn't see any of them. I would have assumed that he would because he knows that he's been watching him. He's figured out that Tony gives him. He's in every location and he's in Italy three times. But I just didn't notice. I only see him. I only saw, I'd like you to point out to me. I saw him once. Yeah. And so the one time I see him is right before he gets the thing for for him. Yeah. That's the most clear one. He's, he's, he's on the phone. And in the way that they cut it is brilliant. It's basically as the actions. It's, it. It's, it's, it's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's If it's like, if you're watching in the theater, you're probably, you're not going to pick it up. But if you're watching it on Blu-ray or you're watching it home, you can go, wait, was that Jill and you rewind it? And you go, oh, there he is.

And so they're letting you know, they're giving you a chance to figure it out quick. Yeah. I like that. Yeah. I really did like that. I genuinely, honestly, this is almost knowing that, because I honestly didn't know that. Yeah. But it makes sense.

It feels very fight club where like you keep up to Tyler Durdon. Yeah. The very quick flashes of Durden just to know that the mystery is afoot. Yeah. Well, he plays. it well and I think that that's what also leads into this next movie, right? This villain is, I mean, we got to talk Mysterio's like goodness. Everything about Mysterio and the team that he's working with, and I think that somehow,

one way or another, the guy who comes up with the angle, remember because he's thanking the team. Yeah. And he says to the team, thank you for coming up with this. Thank you for coming up with this multiverse idea thing because they bought it. What's that guy's story? Yeah. Because everything that he was saying because this is from Earth, the multiverse, because that's the first time you introduced the multiverse to Spider-Man for sure, because he's even like,

Oh, that's real? So he's already interested in it. He's already excited about it. So that guy that came up with it, has he been studying it? Or is he from another? Or is he from someone? You know what I mean? Like I'm really curious about how that ties in.

There's no way, like I just said, jokingly, the 10-year plan. There's no way they like set up a multiverse to be a bait and switch to have been a real multiverse. So that guy has to know something real that Jake's character saw as fake. Yeah, I could see that. I mean, considering what we've seen in Loki at this point, I can also imagine with whatever the glorious timeline is

and you hear, you know, the one, he who remains essentially being like, this is all on a plan, you can kill me, but then everything's gonna happen, how it's supposed to happen. It will be right back here. So I wouldn't even be surprised if maybe that's a rogue TV age

and we find out that had worked, because they know this has to play out a particular way for things to play out the way they are. So I wouldn't be surprised if we've learned about that later. I also love that Mysterio is arguably the first, like, prophetic villain. Like, he's the first, like, this could happen. Like, the special effects in the movie

are interesting because there's special effects acknowledging how real special effects can look while we're watching a movie about how real special effects look and then drones are becoming more and more of a problem in our world and then the whole thing is just Fox News. The whole thing is just like you believe propaganda. Well, and to be fair also because I, yes

but I think that they even make the shot that all news to me is propaganda. Oh yes, sir. They leaned that way with Jonah. A hundred percent, but when they say Toby, Toby, there you go again. He says that Andrew says no.

but Holland says to Zendai at this point he goes because the news never lies and that's a shot of all the news network and then obviously at the very end of it which I thought was a good but but the one thing though how this all like starts to play and how it all ties in and how what Jill and Hall I would have liked the scene in a line by Jillen Hall one point because of he was going to play Spider-Man say you know I could have been you that would have been a great line they didn't use but anyway um his setup is so good because that tie-in to Tony Star and that We want to get another Tony Stark. And Jillon Hall's such a great actor that he makes, he's got this warm energy about him in the beginning.

And you see him as, you think that he's real. You think that he's real and he's kind of flanner. He's doing this. I'm from a different world. And you as an audience member goes, okay, unless you pick up those little scenes that we're talking about here. It wasn't just that. I feel like as a comic fan, there's no, like you know that Beck's whole thing is just effing with you. And they served it so well, I thought.

And they did serve it well. And it was one of those things that I will, I will admit the first time I watched this film, there was for half a second. that I was like, is he actually legit? Are they gonna make him a good guy? That would be an interesting twist, but then who's the ultimate and the minute that like it also, I'm like, oh, okay, here we go. And it's what, 60 years of comic lore and they still got me

because that's how charming Jake Gillenholy is as an actor. Well, because he was, it was that scene and it also goes into the writing. Because it was a good scene when he's got Edith and he walks in and he's got the glasses and he says, he's like, I want you to have him. He's like, no. And he's like, it's because a lot of movies, movies would have telegraphed and a lot of movies would have said, oh, that might be a good idea, but there was a way that it set it up.

And you're like, oh, wait a minute, he doesn't want it. And then when he finally takes it and he leads you, what's going to happen? And then, because you're confused in the audience member at first because the images start going away. And you're like, what the hell is going on? You don't get it right away until they explain it. This is a movie when you watch it a second or third time. You know right away that these all these drones. Yeah.

But it takes you a second to realize it's all an illusion. Well, there's a couple. Okay. So I really like this film. I will say upon now, I guess this would technically be my full second watch because I don't think I ever like. Like I had watched scenes again. Sure. But I hadn't sat down and watched it from start to finish.

I do like it a little less if I'm being honest. I still like the film. It's mid-tier for me. Total. Yeah. If that helps. So a couple of things. The first being that I get the idea, okay, it's the drones.

They're doing the hologram thing, et cetera. But there's like certain things about like using like elementals and you're doing this. where's the fire? Where's the fire coming from? But they say that. They explain that. They're using real things. They're using real elements.

They're using, no, they're using the drones to cause explosions. Right. They're using. So what I'm saying the fire going down as webs, like we never saw the drone shoot fire. So what do you feel that heat? But that's what he sees. No, no, on Spider-Man's webs. He shoots.

And it literally is on fire and sets fire to the ground. So where does that fire? It's also, again, explosions that are happening around him that we, like when you go into that ultimate illusion that happens to him. at the very end in the warehouse, right? Like there's things that he sees, that he thinks he's seeing, but actually, like,

for example, when he punches the Spider-Man, he hits the wall. Yeah. Right. Now, we see that because that's when they're starting to show us that.

But we didn't, during that fire part, we're not seeing that part of it. But wouldn't you have felt heat or a lack of heat? But you still would have seen heat, but it's not coming from that particular element. I mean,

from other things. But I'm talking about Tom. There is a moment that, like, again, we get a hint of it during the fire elemental where he tries to hit it and he ends up missing

and he hits, something invisible goes what the hell right they do set that up what i'm saying there is hot stuff there it's just not the element i guess i guess so it just it was one of those things that watching it at the time i was bought i bought into uh the suspension of disbelief watching it this time my mind couldn't fully wrap around it quite as well because a lot of the other villains and things we've been dealing with before i know not a more clear it just is a little clear i get it i think it's funny because it seems like every every episode that we do at one of these things like one of us is always like, you know, I like this movie a lot more.

And the other two were like, it's actually works for us because it's like a defendant. It is. Because this is like the fifth time I've seen this movie. And I like it more and more every time I saw it. I watched it. I think I watched this with my wife like seven months ago. So when I went to watch it again, I was like, I don't know if I need to watch this again.

I just watched it seven months ago. I really enjoy this movie. And you know what I really enjoy the most about it? Zendias performance. I agree. I agree. She is my favorite marriage game. She wins me over.

So because I told you in the first one. It takes you a while because by the end, she's just playing the too cool for school. Sure. But she explains why in this movie. Yeah. And it's like that it's defencing. And she's so damn likable in this movie.

She's so charming. She's so charming. Like you think Tom Holland's charismatic, then you meet her and you're like, how do I not like you're the best? And it's the same thing. Right. It's the same thing we're saying with him.

She's just a teenage girl. Yeah. She's a teenage girl trying to figure it out and she's like. You care so much about her emotions. And she's so honest. And she's so honest. And she's just like, oh, yeah. And it's like one of,

of these, I hate these certain tropes sometimes when you can be honest with somebody in the movie and instead they go, oh, no, no, that's not what I was thinking. But the way that it's done here with her, you understand why she's doing it and it doesn't become like a massive thing. He's just like, are you just watching me because I'm Spider-Man? She's like, yeah, why else what I do it? Yeah, and that's such a cute teenage thing. But you buy it. You buy it in it and it doesn't play as much into the trope as it normally does. Like normally get annoyed with that kind of crap. It's like, yeah, okay, we're just going to wait until we finally tell him. But it's not that, it's by the end. She says, no, I, of course, I'm into you. And the six, I was only 67%

percent sure. Like there's so many moments that are just so teen and adorable. Now there's two beautiful dualities in this movie that I didn't catch the first time that are kind of like subversive dualities. There's the bridge that that scene happens on. So maybe just think that I love. But you think about Spider-Man, the Spider-Man trope is a bridge. In life, bridges connect us and bridges. A lot of bridges in Spider-Man. A lot of Bridges and Spider-Man. But bridges about life and positivity are where we have death. Gwyn-Stacey, Mary Jane, all those things. Here, a bridge about death is where we have life. We see their coupling happen on a bridge that is where they hung people. Love that duality. The other one is it's a whole thing about media being negative. It's the whole thing about

like things appearing when they are the other. So social media becomes a positive because they save them through social media and mass media becomes negative. So it's about individualism versus mass marketing. So I don't know if those things were intentional, but I really enjoyed the individualism. Come on, Fige has a 10 year plan. Five is got a 10 year plan. John Watson is like writing a thesis on the matrix with me. But like that, it's a really interesting thing. And you can pick up a lot from it. And I think there's a lot of great, like this, as we talked about with the amazing Spider-Man films. There are a lot of great like Spider-Man moments that come out of that. There's as flawed as some of the movies are. There are moments inside of those two movies that we talked about that just plucked right from

the comics or our imagination of what Spider-Man was. That to me is this movie during that sequence when Mysterio first shows him all the, um, the illusions. And he, he sends him to Queens and he sends him to, and he's doing all these moments. It was like, it was something I just felt like I was 10 years old watching Spider-Man again. Yeah. It's these two issues. Amazing Department 66 and 67. There's actually the scene where the fist comes out and grabs them. That is the cover of 67.

So it's this arc. This is a two-issue arc from that age. And it's funny because I met, the first time I met Talmud was in London because I was doing the Jake thing. And Tom was like just leaving an interview and I was like, dude, that John or Mita sequence was something else. You got some Dick Co line work.

There was a little bit of the shimmis. And I literally just threw all this comic stuff out of him. And he was like, thanks, mate. And I could tell like he knew what I was talking about, but he'd never met someone like me that was like, so do-da-da-da-da-da-da. So I saw his brain going like, this guy's read comics.

I think I'm afraid. And then like, so then that this interview, it was really nice to readjust to be like, I know me in an 11, too much. But this moment was when I knew John Watts knows this.

Like when I trusted John Watts with the visual language. You're talking about the, the ultimate word like who do you, who knows? You mean that? The whole sequence of like once it's, he's in the black night monkey suit and then he turns him into the Spider-Man suit.

And then there's that whole sequence with the zombie Iron Man. Like that whole, It's like 15 minutes. No, no, for sure. That's two issues of Spider-Doll. So tell me about Mysterio a little bit, too, because in this movie, he is an ex-employee of Tony Star. Right.

Was that in the comic? He's a movie special effects artist. So he works for the movies. He really stops getting work because they change how movie special effects are done. There's so many levels of meta-irony. I thought part of it, though, was that they were like, a dude, like, chill out with, like, because he wanted to put too many explosions in and he ended up killing somebody until he got fired and blacklisted. And so he's like, well, screw y'all.

I'm going to do my thing. Okay. And it ultimately ends up being like Spider-Man, like, dude, you're, you're going to kill more people. You can't keep doing this. And then they go, he also ends up being from a different angle, but because of the illusions and the hallucinations, he ends up being like the Marvel equivalent of Scarecrow a little bit. Okay. So there's comparisons to what they ultimately do.

Oh, 100%. And the like make it twice as damaging is kind of that commentary. But also attach it to the MCU. Exactly. I actually think it works pretty well that they attach it to Tony Stark. And I also think it was great. And that bar sequence was genius. Really good.

That was smart. That was really good the way they tied that back in to give us a tie-in to Civil War. And bring Ralphie back from Iron Man 1? Dude, come on. To have the secrets of all of the employees that Stark or his cohort, so Obed I Asteyn, in that particular case, have screwed people over. And they're like, because Tony's a billionaire. That's what they do.

Like, that's how you get to be a billionaire. It's, again, John Watts almost putting some sort of like, you know, his own philosophy lesson in this because the whole idea that there's no ethical billionaires. Right. So you get back to that whole idea that Tony has stepped on everybody. to do whatever the hell he wants. Even as he was a hero. And I love that it wasn't like he was a war monger because Tony was and then became good.

It was like, no, no, he was still a billionaire taking this guy's technology while we were admiring him as an Avenger. And mocked it. Oh, yeah. But yes and no. Because the other part was, as Jillenhouse says himself, the reason why he let him go was because he was wanted to do all these things that Tony felt like he was unstable. Sure.

So there was. But I like the fallibility of man with Tony. Absolutely. the fact that he, because Tony could have maybe been a little bit more sensitive to someone who's unstable and not call the thing far. Yeah. Right. Right. So. Or ever make Edith, even in death, I'm the hero.

Yeah, there's clearly some issues there. It's an ego thing and Happy even says it. Happy says it basically says it about Tony. He was his own, like, he couldn't get out of his own way a lot of times. He questioned himself all the time. Tony wasn't perfect, not by a long shot. That's why we also, I think, responded Tony Stark so well is because he's flawed like we are. Right.

So that's why that works. But ultimately, when you dive into who Tony Stark is, He's a good man. And that's why he's like this, look, when you sacrifice yourself for the entire galaxy, you're going to be the one. How will you live up to that? And even Happy says to him on the plane. You can't live up to that.

You just got to do what you have to do. And I thought those moments were really well. There's one part that really bothers me in this movie. Which part, the ACDC Led Zeppelin part? Oh, I got a kick out of that one. I think it's funny. I got a kick out. No, no.

When they're in the room and they're all sharing their secrets. And she and Zendaya gives that great thing about, I tell the truth. Flash, I liked more in this. one that I did in the original in the first one. Flash mob. Yeah, and just, well, how he loves Peter so much and how he just wants to be in this connection. You're going to have to tell me what the connection is with the mother, because I don't understand.

He's, but, um, but then happy goes, I'm dating Spider-Man's aunt. Okay, so you just told everybody who basically. Not necessarily, because if they don't know, if they don't know. So he cannot show up to anything that Peter Parker has now. That is correct. That's what I'm saying. Remember, half the people in the room already know who Spider-Man is.

Two out of the four. Two out of the four. Half the people in the room. So he would The two people that he's fighting. You want to reveal it to Flash and the girl from Kiss Kiss Bang Bang or whatever. Not Kisses a nice guy. One, they got to figure it out. And two, it doesn't matter because guess what? In about 15 minutes, the world knows.

But that's ultimately why they did it because everyone's going to know it. It's moments away. Oh, yeah. And the other thing I hate it. I can't stand the Ned, the Ned thing. The Babe, the Babe stuff. Him dating Betty. Oh, I hate it.

Well, that was 20 to me that they gave Betty Brand a bigger. They gave her because they really did sideline her. and Rayme. They were like, oh. Yeah. She was also, and she was just in, and she was just in

Mere of Easttown. She was great. She was great actress. But I feel like that might have been a thing is they realize they cast an incredible actress. Let's punch up that character. I don't mind either one of them as an actor. I thought Ned was fantastic in the first movie.

He annoyed the hell out of me, not him as an actor. Right. Just the character. Him just in the couple or the whole movie? No, no, no, when he shows up,

when he shows up to, after MJ finds out that he's, and he played, like, to me, that was more of the same character we got in home. where he's like, I knew first.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. FOS, friends of Spider-Man. All that stuff. Helping him out, being like, yeah, I know the opera's going to be great, like trying to play it up. All that stuff. Specifically the couple part. And there's so much of it.

Like, when even when he's just like, when a man and a woman get together. I like it. I like it. It's so silly. It's not who he was in the first movie. But you know what that is, right? Because there are two nerdy boys who have no shot in hell with any women.

And he's at first being like, you got to go for the Mary Jane thing, give her the present. And then when he, on that eight hour flight. It's exactly what happens to, like, I don't know about you, but when I first got a girlfriend,

I was like, oh, yeah, this is how it plays, like, I mean, but it didn't, but it's to me, it played like,

this is how it's always been, it's like the Dawson's Creek when they write kids too smart thing. Like, the dialogue didn't fit the character. It was, it was for a gag. The whole thing was for a gag,

like the way, they had this whole relationship and then they get off the plane like, oh, we broke up now. It was too winky. It was a gag. It didn't seem real anymore.

I'm curious, And this is something you might not have noticed because the removal from it is Dimitri, the guard in the... Yeah, Camelian. So he's the chameleon. Or he could be... What the hell does that mean? So, Demetri is the character from the comic books who can change his face to look like anyone. So he's one of Spider-Man's first villains.

He's actually... Oh, I thought he was a good guy. No, Camelian's a bad guy. He was the first period of Amazing Spider-Man number one. But see, this is the thing that's interesting because they didn't ultimately reveal that. And because we find out at the end of this that Nick and Maria were actually scrolls, I think he's a scroll. I think he's a scroll. Yeah, and I think they might make a chameleon a scroll.

Because that would make more sense for powers. So you know, I get that. So you think what they're going to do is that this is a rogue scroll. Right. I think there's going to be good scrolls and bad scrolls. Sure. They've already. They've already.

They've got to see. And so if we've got, we're going there. We should just get into the Nick Fury. So I was saying to Winston before you, you came in, that Sam Jackson definitely plays Nick Fury differently in this. Yeah. Because he's supposed to.

And it's like, it seems like when you watch the performance, as he's supposed to, it's like, it seems like this is, it seems like this is someone playing Nick Fury like they think Nick Fury is supposed to be. And that's what it is. You know what it actually felt like? It felt like somebody that was playing Samuel Jackson playing Nick Fury. Because like the fact that like Nick Fury has never just

thrown bitch around. So it'd be like you went to space bitch. Yeah. That's a thousand percent of Sam Jackson line. And it so I agree with you. It just felt like he watched tape. And what he actually felt like he was doing what he thought was supposed to do. Which is great acting to Sam Jackson to actualize the Sam Jackson of the Nick Fury. Because when you see him in the post-

He's got that actual Nick Ferry swagger. He's got that slow, like he's been through it all before and he's just chilling out. He doesn't want to be bothered. He's sitting on the back to work. That, Tim, it played really well. And I thought the duality of that. Yeah, and the Ben Mendelsohn scene was great. But the ultimate, and

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Yeah. Oh, no. I lost a thought. There was a thought that I had specifically. Get it back. All right. Talk about something. I got a thought.

I got two thoughts for you guys. Through the course of one of the things we cut from the Jake Jell and Hill and a interview I thought was really interesting was I was showing, I was comparing his whole career kind of led to Mysterio. Because Jake's got this amazing thing where he informs his next performance by his life experience. So he's not one of those actors that's like, and then I left it. He sees the world as cumulative, which is why I think he's such a talented actor. Like, Southpaw affected him enough that it's going to affect his next thing, his next thing. And I was saying basically this was the culmination of he was in an indie movie that made him huge.

He did a bunch of blockbusters and then he went back to the theater. This is a theater kid dream performance where he gets to be in a blockbuster. But that theater kid monologue is literally like, I've been abused. And like, he was like, no, no, one of the things I loved was it was me getting to play something I've always wanted to play on the scale that I've always wanted to play. play it because we got to travel around the world while I got to be me. So he like he signed on to the script that he said faster than most because it was literally what he wanted. And then Sam Jackson thing I learned through an interview, which also got cut, which is insane, was Sam Jackson wanted to meet Tom Holland in that scene. So that scene of him surprising Tom Holland

was one of the only times they'd ever met. That was like intentionally surprised him. So Tom Holland surprises actually Samuel Jackson scaring the crap at it's home home. Do you know what this reminds me of because we brought up the late great Chavrick Boseman. I don't think I've ever shared it on screen before, but if I did, I'll do it again. I think, I can't remember which premiere it was. It might have been Ultron. I don't remember. It was maybe not, because I was 2014, but it was whenever, it was right, no, it was

right after he got announced as Black Panther. Okay. So I was walking behind him at one of those, whatever the premiere was. And I was right behind him. And he looks over and he goes, and he sees Sam Jackson. And he goes, I'm, I'm, so. glad to meet you and he's like I look forward to working with you brother and it was the first time they ever met that's incredible I was standing right there that's so cool and I was standing right

there next to them watching the meet for the first time and I said oh my god this is incredible that I didn't even I've never talked about it because it was just kind of a special moment that I had and I thought about it but it's like that's a dream dude it was pretty it was pretty great oh hearing those things like I know I know a lot of people and I'm sure we'll get even comments but like it was like oh celebrity ball old old old age people they are just people but they affect our lives because we spend so much time with them and that was one the weirdest things about meeting Jake Chill and all. It's like, I grew up watching Donnie Darko. So I'm like, I've known this man 25 years. He's just meeting me. And it's just about the, the perspective

on stuff. So it's exciting for us to see two people that we've seen and like, you are your work. So much of your energy comes out through these characters, again, the Tom Holland thing, that we feel connected these people through how we identify with them. Right. So seeing someone that we identify with like Sam Jackson, meeting someone that we're new to relatively like Chadwick, who's left such an impact. Well, and I was such a fan of him already from watching him as Jackie Robinson Yeah, all the biobics. James Brown.

So like, I would have a rate very... I called him Jackie Brown. You did? In an interview. I have the video of it. I was, I was like, I call you Mr. History. I mean, you play Jackie Robinson.

You play Jackie Brown. He goes James Brown. I was like, oh, shit. And he's like, it's okay. People do it all the time, bro. And I was like, oh. I think, yeah, it's... But it's a moment.

Like, look... Yeah, no, it's funny. I want to die back into this because the movie, but because you brought that up, there was, I remember it was, we were, for Fandango, it was there for the Oscars. And we're there and we're interviewing and there's someone I was with that was also interviewing. And they're like, oh, I want to get this next interview.

This is just starting about, well, well, well, you did this movie, this movie, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then what I really like is the, what you did for Rushmore and this. And he's like, yeah. It's like, do you think I'm Wes Anderson? And he's like, yeah, what? He's like, I'm Tom Hooper. And. and Tom Hooper was there for the awards

and I was saying and I went Oh I did I did one of these I went I went I got one worse Batman v Superman uh interviews Helen Hunt is there and the only thing I can remember of her from

is incredible oh that is it so like because we're talking about superhero stuff I'm just like no IMDB is right in your phone Not in the middle of the interview. Because I went in before thinking, I know Helen Hunt, I'll be fine. It's Helen Hunt. And then all of a sudden, I'm like, raising Arizona, you never seen it? I hadn't, no.

At the time I had it. But I just went in it. I was like, I'll be fine. Oh, Helen Hunt. Yeah. Yeah. I said, no, she's not. Okay.

I was going to, I was going to cut out. No, no, you should. You should. You should. I know, Helen, Helen Hunt, from castaway and from, you know, I'm like, this is incredible. Right. So like, I was like, but she's not. That's a different voice.

That's someone else. Helen Hunt is the one I'm thinking. Yes, from Raising Arizona. Incredibles is the same actress from raising Arizona. Here's where we are right now. No. No, no, no, no. You're thinking of a different.

Helen Hunt is from Castaway and from Matt about you. That's who Helen Hunt. Dude. And you're talking about, I know who you're talking about, you're talking about Holly Hunter. Oh, Jesus. Who is, but Holly Hunter is about a V Superman. Okay, so I was correct. Correct.

Okay. She's in those three isn't Telling Hunter. So let's rewind. You're talking about Holly Hunter, who I'm right, was in Raising Arizona. Correct. My brain was telling me the right information. And I was going, she said it, that, because I was thinking of Helen Hunt. Right, right.

And I was correct about Holly Hunter, who is in Batman v. Superman, is also the voice of Mrs. Incredible. And Helen Hunt is in Twister. So I was on Helen Hunt. You guys were on Holly Hunter. So you said the only thing you think about is Twister, which she's not even in. I didn't say Twister. I said Twister.

Oh, incredible. Okay, okay. And so I kept, I tried to tie my question. because it's a superhero film. I was like, how does that? And she was like, well, I played a senator. And I was like, I get that. But like, how does that?

Like, there's a different angle. She was like, gave me an answer. And then I had nothing left and four minutes left. And I was like, oh, dude. How was the tea? Yeah. Like, and she was like, the piss tea. So what just happened?

What just happened was the opposite of five degrees of Kevin Bacon. But that being said, I do think, what is the moment? These moments are happening frequent on this show now. Yeah, the big thing is about there. Oh, my. God, Helen Hunt, but what's interesting about this whole concept, and that ties, I think, beautifully into this, in this world of Spider-Man to bring it back to far from home. Please, please.

Um, is that we're all talking about, we are far from home. Yeah. We're trying to have not knowing home. But, uh, the thing about this culture and what's interesting about watching it is, we have Spider-Man be exposed when he's not intentionally exposed. Another thing I got out of the interview is the one thing Tom kind of revealed is, if you have the freedom to choose to do it yourself, that's another thing than having it happen at you because there's preparation.

And he kind of teased that if you would do anything different as Spider-Man, that's what he thinks where the character is is about letting himself reveal it, which is more the Civil War thing versus how it is in this movie. And what I think is interesting is we're living in a culture where we have these moments of these people that mean all the world to us, but celebrity culture shifting from like that to like TikTok and more individualized moments. Like I was at this event and like my buddy Strahack goofy and a few TikTokers I didn't know were getting stopped and like all this stuff.

And there was that entirely different thing about people in the audience exciting people. And they had, they chose that. Yeah. Versus Tom Holland needs to have like he got to be prepped at this thing. And then we have the reveal. So let's go into that moment because we do. I mean, this is a, it's a longer one today. But we, so we had Mysterio now who has been setting him up, has this whole thing of what he wants to do.

He has a, he has a, he has a, he has everybody ready. He's got all the drones coming out. He can't get rid of Peter. Peter's starting to figure it out. The spider sense that we were talking about is starting to be more prominent. Yeah, it's more prominent in this and how it's how he senses danger. And she even asked him like, how come you can sense me hitting in the head with a banana or whatever it was, you know? And it's like it's kind of it's, it's, it's similar when we get to Spiderverse how you have to like develop the power.

And it's also like it. But it's also, it's also more about a danger. Think you've more like a muscle than I used to. Exactly. So then he, because he's, and he uses that and he, and he tie it back to the end here, how he ultimately takes out back. And, you know, there's a great moment where he, it's like a video game. And even, and Edith tells him, he's like, I. He said, why don't you fire in the drone?

She's like, you're in the blast zone. Yeah. And he's like, fire. So he's like, all right. And then he winds up getting hit. Has that whole moment. He's got this whole plan because he was, he's a smart dude, right? He's like the anti-tony Stark is really what this guy is.

And he and, or the what if Tony Stark hadn't gotten basically, well, we've seen that. We saw that way. We had that one. But if, but if he would have went to the kind of dark side, which is ultimately what happens to Beck. And Beck goes to the dark side, but he has a plan. He knows the whole plan. He knows the whole plan. He's like, if I die, you upload this thing.

and you send it out. And he's still alive. You think he's alive? He got clipped in the leg. It's not to say you can't die from being shot in the leg, but like if he had been shot in the chest, if he'd been shot in the heart,

he got clipped right on the side of his thigh. He also said two things. He said, like the last line of dialogue he has is about not believing everything you see. Like his last line of dialogue. And we never saw him shoot that footage in between getting shot and not.

So clearly there was an illusion going on. Now, they also, Edith says there's no illusions present. He doesn't ask, he's alive. He doesn't look at his, he doesn't look at his heart. He says, he says, is this real? And he says there's no illusions. And so, which makes me also think because he had to turn over Edith to, uh, Beck. Yeah. I do not, I think Beck set up Edith to be like, yo, this is going to go down. You can respond to Peter again.

Yeah. But he's put in some sort of fail safe. Because when did he film that? Like that, there's so many things. He's alive. I agree with you. I think so. I want, now you think he's alive in current, in current universe or he's alive in a different universe and comes back? I think he's. alive in Tom Holland's He did not die on that. The one that we were introduced. And the second thing beyond the last line being like, don't believe everything you see, we see Ralphie unplug the full 100% complete. The full 100% completed illusion of Mysterio.

So even if Beck is dead, which he's not, we have a fully rendered 3D Mysterio that can mess with things in the Sinister 6. I think Sinister 6 is involved. Another conversation that Winston and I had was about Jay Jonah Jameson showing up at the end. Dude, I essentially just said to Christian when I walked in because he was watching that scene at the time

he and across every single superhero movie in my opinion that is the best casting we have ever seen out of a superhero film for a character he's in the top three for me okay that's fair I just I think even more so than Robert Dunny Jr more so than um you know Gall Godot a lot of people are saying that for her for Diana things like that I to me that is the most perfect casting of a character from a superhero franchise so I only argue because um I think Downey Jr. made the character better in the other mediums because Ironman wasn't written well as well, like it improved. And then my secondary would be Ryan Reynolds is Deadpool because that character was not seen as actually credible until he made the voice so sincere that even the snarky writing. So he improved it whereas Joan is always a good character.

I get that. If knowing that, I would literally put them in the order of J.J. of J.K. Simmons, Ryan Reynolds, and then Robert. So it's right there. You're also talking specifically specifically actor cast to be a version of a comic book character And all three of them elevated the comic retroactively Which is incredible

I think there's I mean it's always kind of Chris Evans is close to You're never going to get everybody on the same page as far as nobody's going to really argue much with it But he's so good that he was cast and and we talked about it on the show before That he's going to be like the one character That even you see him in the trailer as like that he is the same person in other universes. Yeah.

Right? Because where Toby and Andrew and Tom are the different Spider-Man, he is the, he's the same guy. The great equalizer. I hope that there is one J. Jonah Jameson who's kind of soft. So like, I don't know if you guys watch Rick and Morty,

but there's like, they call him Dufus Rick. And essentially he's like super nice and kind of, like, so all of the Jay Jonah Jamesons are assholes except for one. And he's just like, oh man, good job, Spider-Man. That'd be adorable.

In the Nick Spencer run that just ended, Peter Parker. And so he, Jonah's working at an online startup and he hates it because he sold out and he had to do that. But then he finds that you can be more of like an angry, you get away with more blogging. So him and Peter Parker actually, he reveals that he's Spider-Man and they actually team up to take out bad guys because he loves Peter so much. I'd love if that's the way they bring in JK as like one of the multiverses is like, I reluctantly love Peter so Spider-Man's not so bad. And like incorporate that.

I really can't wait to see what he does because he's doing like an Alex Jonesy different Jonah here. So I'm really curious about how that plays in the far-from-home universe. All right, so before we get into the last part of it, because I want to see how we're going to wrap up here, ladies and gentlemen. I do want to talk to you guys. And I don't know if Winston and Coy know about this one, but this I had last night. Oh, man, I love Magic Spoon.

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He's swinging her. Again, throwing back to Zendaya and how great she is. But when she's, when he's just like, you're going to love this. And she's terrified by it. Dude, she's never doing that. Her little thing of don't text and swing. Adorable. As soon as he's in New York, I'm the happiest.

Like, I want that. But the one thing I will say, Koi, because I know that that was something you were concerned about it. I want him to be the friendly neighborhood Spider-Man. He does that while in Europe. Like, he's still, the fact that he's like trying to save the tower and he can't do it. And I had a thought this time, which I never had was when he was on that bridge in London, I actually had the thought like, I'd love this scene.

If it was in New York. And I've never had that where I was literally like, yo, just put him where he belongs. And it was a weird moment of like, it's the same. Like you're saying. I just demand a certain accent like and it's weird that I'm just so associative I get that I guess for me what I took from it even again tied to the double entendre of the title just the far from home But he is still trying to play the home the neighborhood hero because they're like you gotta stop this multiversal threat

I don't want to do that I am on summer vacation I don't want this one person to drown because of the thing but I don't like can I just go to the festival of lights with my friends? Like do I have to fight the fire elemental and that's all spidey I want to go to school I want to to do. And I respect that. I got that. And I got that more this time, admittedly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I definitely, and to the talk, the identity thing at the end, it was tying in what I was saying before about, like, actually, like, a TikTok versus a celebrity. I think there is merit in that last line of dialogue he has getting into the car. Like, I am still bothered about the only thing Uncle Ben we've ever seen got exploded.

But he says, like, that affected me. Get the suitcase. Like, the only thing he had. But he gets in the car and he talks about, like, his identity. The last thing we see before he gets this thing revealed, he's talking about identity. And we've got scrolls in this movie. Not a coincidence. I think chameleon. I think chrulls. I think concepts of identity.

I think all of that is coming into play and no way home. They left on that cliffhanger. It would be interesting to see. I just know that they went, they've announced secret invasion. And they showed the photo of Nick on set or whatever. This definitely ties in directly.

I'm just saying there's ramifications about the words, identity and the chameleon stuff. It depends on all it's going to pan out. They set up a lot in this one. They set up the multiverse. Even in conversation, they set that stuff up. They set up potentially mysterious coming back.

They set up a lot of these. But the main thing that really we're going to find here is that Spidey's on the run. And they also set up very well. The relationship now is in full swing, if you will, with MJ. And MJ, we see that in the new trailer. We see that in the new trailer that they have. Thank you. Well, but the other thing, though, that plays in was from both of these trailers,

the teaser and then the new one and how it ties into this movie was that he's falling madly in love, as we see. But now he's got this thing where everybody knows who he is. he's walking through and they're they're you know he's probably under investigation because of for murder or whatever it might be all these different things and now he's trying to figure out how to manage this and now dr strange wants to take this away from him and he doesn't want them to forget and now we know from the second trailer he tries to intervene and that's what screws up the spell and then everything so and all we also know she doesn't get her memory erased because her and ned are now helping out so

all that plays in i think we're set up very well from one two and three and how it plays in and this is the end of that trilogy so i think this has been set up pretty well well. I agree. And I think the culmination of a trilogy doesn't mean the end of Tom Holland to Spider-Man, as the internet has been very concerned about. I don't see that. I don't think so either. No. All right. So here's what we did. We finished the No Way Home, or not No Way Home, excuse me, far from home. And we're getting into the Spider-Verse. And that's next week. So we will be doing a show next week. We're going to be doing the last one. And then we're probably have a couple episodes. We're doing a few other things leading up.

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