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Episode Date: November 12, 2021

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What's going on? Everybody, full breakdown of the Spider-Man leaks. Nope, that's not what we're doing today. We're going to go straight into the re-watch. It is going to be that we're continuing on to our re-watch series. And what is the re-watch series? It's the Spider-Man movies. We know that No Way Home is coming out.

We've been watching all of these movies. And we have finally reached the MCU version of Tom Holland ones. We are going to get into Homecoming, starring Tom Holland. And we are going to first cover the scene in Civil War because that's what really started his path into the MCU overall. It's myself. It's Koi Jandru. And it is Winston Marshall, Winston A. Marshall, excuse me, very little. Appreciate that.

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Now I'm Big Win. Like, Jesus. There we go. That was like, extreme close up that you see you? Yeah, you're not Jesus yet. I said, you're like, Jesus. I don't think so.

This is a great movie. It really is, man. It's a great movie. It really is. But let's get into Civil War. We'll start with that because I think... Also a great movie. Also a great movie.

Why do you hate that microphone? I don't hate it, but do you see how big and black it is, bro? I'm just going to put my mouth on it. For three episodes, I didn't even know. I stayed away from so much right there. I stayed away from so much. I mean, yes, I did that on purpose. I know, but I still stayed away because I'm thinking of, you know,

knocking over potted plants when you wake up in the morning and take a piss. It's your own battle. It's your own battle to lose. That's why I have to wait for Kristen to leave and go to work. So I don't, like, hurt anybody. It's like a rhinoceros piece. That's thoughtful. That's really thoughtful of you.

I respect that. I do have a question, though. It doesn't relate to this. Sort of. Are you single or dating someone? Dating someone. Okay. So,

and you're married. So my question is, I think so. As a press. My question is, do y'all do the same thing that I do where my girlfriend will get up,

she'll go take a shower, and right as she's like about to take her towel off to get her clothes, I instantly wake up and I'm just staring just like, oh, hey. She's like every morning.

It's like your spider sense goes off and you just know I'm making sense, dude? There's a hundred percent in there. This is somebody who's not married, yes, because once you wakes up, all you're going to want to do is sleep, go on, go sleep, and then you have kids and that just dies. Was that a divorce lawyer? That was the two of us in the same wavelength. Brought to you.

Brought to you by better legal help. We had a conversation the other day. My daughter, who's now 10 years old, and now if I even walk by, she's like, Dad, I'm there. I'm in the shower. I'm like, okay, take it easy. She's like, you shouldn't see mom naked. That's inappropriate. And my wife goes, there's some math missing.

She's like, I said, your mother walks around the house naked all the time. I'm like, you know, in front of all of us. And she goes, oh, yeah. Anyway, so this is a. I hope it never gets old, but I hear it does. I hear it does. It's fair. The thing that old.

It just, no, no, no. First of all, am I awake? Yeah. Okay, look at it. No, no. If I'm sleeping, I want my sleep. It's literally like this. Absolutely.

And you pop in. Huh? Oh, shit. It's the scene on the bus and Infinity War. And then as soon as the clothes are on, all right, good night. That's, yeah, yeah, right. It's an interstitial.

It's just a little, it's almost like sleepwalking. Yeah. It is genuinely a naked. We're not going to sleep off for it. No, we're not. Civil War. Civil War, man.

So when this, because we talked about it, we were going to watch them in like bulk and then do like a full episode. Like, nah, let's kind of watch it as it relates to it. And I'm glad that we did because it's so relevant to the story. even the way that it opens up, right? So this one,

Civil War, Tony and Black Widow are having the conversation of the recruitment and she's like, well, where's your person? And then great music, and it goes to Queens. And I remember being in the theater and the second Queens popped up

and the music, people erupted. Yeah. It's one of my favorite MCU moments. It's a great moment. It's pretty awesome. And him carrying the DVD player is quintessential Spider-Man. Like the image of him with that,

knowing that he's a kid trying to make things work. And then you see him like rebuilding stuff, I was immediately endeared to this Tom Holland Spider-Man, and they did it in like three scenes. I would argue those scenes are some of the better Spider-Man scenes, the Civil War scenes. I would agree with you, and I think it does the same thing for me as in this film that it does for Tachala, and that, like, you have set a tone now, so when it is time to actually go and introduce them for their films, you know what you're getting, you're so ready for it. It does because it's, and I also like the little information that they give you once Tony, like, meets him,

right? And the great moment with him and Aunt May, right? Yeah. That's your aunt. That type of that. And then he goes in and he's like, I've only had his power for like six months. Right. So we didn't need to see the full thing. There's like a slight hint to Ben.

Just a slight hint when he's just talking, when he's telling Tony why he's doing it. And there's no mention, he never mentions Ben. I don't think they've ever mentioned him in any of the movie? Not once. Now and far from home. It's a thing. Oh, okay. Once and far from home?

Yeah. Never mentioned him once. So, and maybe it's a thing between Spider-Man fans. I actually like it. I think that I think it's fine. And I like that it's because we've seen. seen it a million times over in the other movies. But this, it's set up.

You see him kind of swinging around. He catches the car. And Tony's like, all right, well, look. I'm going to recruit a 15-year-old now to help me fight my buddies. But it's exactly what you're saying. The second he shows up on the roos, and he fires back in. It had that Andrew Garfield's humor that I felt like a 15 or 16-year-old kid would do. To me, this was the Spider-Man that we always, I think you guys said it before we went on the air, is that Garfield, even though he's playing a high school kid,

kid read more college. This, and Toby McGuire was 50 when he did the first one. So, so, so, so this was like the first legitimate, like seemed like kid.

Yeah. I was playing this, with this character. And it felt authentic, whereas it felt like Garfield was trying to play young when they could have just said the college. And that would have worked better for Doc Connors. That would have worked better for Gwen Stacy.

Like we were saying right before air. Like him at ESU would have been a better Andrew Garfield, Spider-Man, period. But I understand why Sony got nervous. Like, suits were involved versus the actual characterization. And then with Tom Holland, it was like, we changed who the suits were, because the suits had new suits to talk to.

And there's a lot of interesting moments where if you know the story of how Tom Holland got cast, there was a ton of improv. He actually acted in screen tests opposite both Chris Evans and Downey Jr. And then the scene in the bedroom where Downey Jr's like, you got to move the feet. I'm going to sit. Like that whole scene was Tom actually being nervous to be around Robert Downey Jr. That's great. So they improv, that whole dynamic kept in the movie.

So those moments are what I think makes Tom Holland stronger is he's able to, he's so Spider-Man that even when he's accidentally wrong, he's still Spider-Man. And that translates. And it's also, if you're going to have to introduce them, one of the biggest things, which I know they're doing, they're pushing really hard with Kamala Khan in,

they did it in the Avengers game. It's a terrible game, but they did it with that. I enjoyed it, but it's not a good game. But you see that in the comics as well. It's the idea that, again, this kid being a superhero now, obviously he idolizes Captain America, Iron Man. And so you're seeing this,

you're seeing a teenager, my favorite part is when he's fighting Bucking, and he catches the arm, he goes, whoa. He's like, are those wigs made out of carbon fiber that's so cool? And he's like, oh, dude, there's not as much talking and fighting. And that's so Spider-Man. And it's so Spider-Man. And it's played into the stuff that I really liked about the Garfield stuff, but minus some of the nonsense, right?

So all of that is set up really well. And then it sets up the father-son relationship between him and Tony. And then when he goes and he gets hurt and he's like, all right, you're out now. That's it. And that's basically all we need to see of him in Civil War. He doesn't need to get more involved. It's the setup. It gets us involved and that ultimately takes us into HomeCard.

And of course, the Empire line. Yes. The Empire. Like, yo, how old is this guy? He's like, I didn't carbonate him. Like that's whole, yeah. Yeah. I also think it was really clever in Homecoming how they use that sequence.

This is the business side. I hate that my brain goes here. This is the part to get right into it. So the angles they use in his camera line, which is genius like Spider-Man filming himself. That opening is one of the most ingenious ways to have. an opening air race and shows again the type of generation of what that he's a kid. He's a Gen Z Cage. But it's also really clever and this is from a business side. Everyone is just far enough

away. You can't tell that those actors don't have to be credited as those actors. So you save the studio their checkmark for Scar Johansson. So she's not actually in this movie so she can't say like, oh, that's one of my Marvel contracts. So they were really clever that they were just far enough away that it's like an Avenger sequence, but they could be like toys. I don't know. That was pretty brilliant. And I guess the, what, the last thing that kind of clicks with this in general is, you know, the fact that we're doing this and we're going to get this callback in the next film with the kids talking about the blip and doing their really Yeah, that news broadcasts.

I love those kids, dude. They're fantastic. That kid was that the girl is the daughter from Mayor of Easttown. Oh, no way. Oh, that makes sense. She knows she's playing Betty Brand, by the way. Yeah. Oh, she mentioned it flippantly in this one.

It's like a name. It's a lower third. Yeah. Because they do the news again at the start. So, yeah. All right. So the movie starts out and we set up exactly that, as you guys were saying, the same tone that we get in Civil War of here's this Spider-Man. They introduced him.

If you liked him in Civil War, well, here's this full movie, man. And then they pitched it when they showed it at Comic-Con, like the John Hughes-type feel, right? Yeah. You definitely got that throughout. Even some of the music choices throughout our kind of 80s. And you can... It's good. Yeah, well, that was set me in late 70s, whatever it might be.

But either way, it's, you feel, you feel that tone of what they're going for. and the relationship again to me I know that a lot of complaints with this is that it's so relying on on Downy right but it's less than I remember it is less than I remember that's one point but the other part is

that when you go into the Spider-Man comics and the stuff that Iron Room was always around right he was around or a lot I mean other characters were around other characters fine whether it's whether it's a mentor figure I'm hearing you Marvel other Marvel people were

involved, whether it's Punisher or whoever it was. They were involved, right? So, like, this was definitely the most Marvel cinematic universe Spider-Man that we ever got. And I liked it because it was a different bit of a change because of the other two movies that we had got, which I also liked, but those

were individualized. This was for exactly where we're getting with No Way Home, this was to tie it all together. They're bringing it all together. To put him in his own individualized story, hence the vulture and everything that you have, but it was to also tie in how it works with Happy, like the dynamic with Happy was great.

And he is, to me, Tom Holland is the perfect Spider-Man on both the Peter Parker level and the Spider-Man. So this to me went from a B-plus to a full A, not A-minus A, and this is a bigger leap than any of the rest. Like, I think Amazing Spider-Man reminded me how much I used to love it, but I let the pop culture consensus drop it. And then I think the same thing happened with this movie where, like, over time, I heard enough people complain about the Iron Man thing that I thought it was more. I heard enough people complain about this and that while I was actually watching,

I was like, wait, this movie is as good or better than I remember my first experience of it being. It's actually cleanly my favorite Spider-Man film now that I've watched them all back to back to back to back. This one is enough better than the Spider-Man one and two and Amazing Spider-Man that it's like comfortably number one. I think the end of the Spider-verse is still going to beat it when I get there. I cheated, guys. Oh, did you watch it? You finally saw it, so you hadn't seen it yet. I already saw it.

I had already seen it. My daughter never saw it. What did she think? It's incredible. It's so special. That's a next, yeah, that's a few weeks. But I do think

Homecoming has a lot of the strengths that I didn't realize because I was so focused on the memories of it. And it manages to have not only like five villains, but it managed to make them all interesting enough. They could all get spent off, which is what Sony wants, which what Sony's doing.

And it gives us... Five villains in this one? Yeah. Tinker. Tinkerer. Talk to me like I know. One of the very first Spider-Man villains of all time. He basically invents.

Who's he in this? The schlobby guy that's making all the tech. Oh, okay. The guy that's in the lab. Sure, sure. He was the orange is a new black guy. I count four unless you're counting both shots. Oh, you're talking about Aaron.

I'm talking about Donald Glover. Right, right, right, right. So it sets up Prouler. But I guess that's the whole thing. Prouler is kind of that weird. They mentioned climbers, man. That means you can set them up. You get enough screen time that I'm saying spinoffs are possible.

Sure. I'm giving, like, imagine you tell me right now there's a movie with five Spider-Man villains in it. You're like, that sounds awkward. And this doesn't feel it. But no, it does it. This is how you do it properly. And that's how you make these spinoffs. Well, because they're not, because they're not focusing so much on it.

They're just introducing them. Exactly. You do get two shockers, but you don't feel like it's crowded. Right. When you focus in on them and try to give them too much backstory, you actually wind up hurting yourself, hence Amazing Spider-Man 2, and not enough depth to both Goblin and Electro. Where in this one, the focus is all on Vulture.

And you get him in it. And speaking of Michael Keaton, you mentioned this last week, I think, I also agree. I think he's one of the best MCU villains. It's my number four villain of all the MCU for me. Because the reason why is why I like a lot of the villains that have their own purpose that he there's a lot of Tony Soprano with him in this yeah like it's it's like his dad specifically because he's Tony Soprano not because he has a good backstory but but no no no but why

Tony Soprano is is one is a great villain also is because he's he he doesn't what he's doing he even says it to Melfi and the thing he's like I'm a good guy it's like no you're not but to him he's a good guy that's trying to protect his family and he says and Michael Keaton does the same thing he says to him he goes doing it to her uh doing it for peteen you know and he's doing it. Oh, oh, me,

over there. I got a hot take. Go ahead. I think Keaton's a better vulture than he has Batman. Uh, yeah, I would,

I would, I would say that. I think this is like, I think part of it is a, the further long you go in your career, most actors are only going to get better with, like, fine wine, and that's the thing.

Yeah, that's true. After Birdman and stuff too. Yeah. After Beetlejuice, there's a lot of Beetlejuice. But Volture and Birdman into Vulture is pretty fun. So,

I mean, after Batman played those two. He flies a lot. He's coming back to fly again. Yeah. He's in two movies. He's going to be, I thought he was the guy. Right, within like a year.

He's in Morbius. And I thought he was going to be gathering the Sinister 6. So I thought there was going to be a chance that he was gathering the Justice League in Flashpoint and gathering the Sinister 6. I'm like, yo, Michael Keaton just putting worlds together. And then there's an Amalgam universe where Michael Keaton meets Michael Keaton as Batman and Vulture. Like my head canons crazy. But I do think Keaton is the strongest here as one of the strongest films in the MCU because, like, that scene in the car is. one of the best villain scenes. Oh, by, by, because that's the, that's the thing. He is much more

terrifying as, as his dad as tombs than he is as the actual vulture. And it's not to say that the vulture isn't terrifying because he, because the vulture man handles him. Let's be real. He doesn't really ever get the upper hand on the vault. Vulture, it's purely just based off of all that whole fight in the air and then at the end his pack goes out. Dude has to explode to lose. Like he didn't lose to the spire many lost to his pack. He's beating the piss out of a 15 year. Right. But that's, but that's, but that's, but that's, but that's, but that's, but that's, but that's, but that's one thing that I will say that I love about this and there was something that happened at the

around the end of phase two, mainly in phase three where they finally figured out villains properly where you were giving them proper motivation. Yeah, Kilmonger. Killmonger, Thanos, a vulture. It took a while from a get that. They started with what's his face from,

Brule from Civil War. Behran Zemo, yeah. Yeah, he was Civil War had a good. He was there. He was there. And then they gave him way more to do in Falcon to bolster it. He was much better in Falcon than he was in that. That was the first one then you're like, okay, he's got a purpose of what he thinks is right. They didn't really nail it yet. He's just kind of insignificant.

Because he beat everyone with dialogue, but we weren't quite ready for that. It's not why you went to see that movie. You went to see that movie because of the fight in the airports. But this movie, Michael Keaton. He crawled so Vulture could fly, Doug. Yeah. That's essentially what it is. He set that up so that we now are not just looking for who's the next baddie to go beat him a beat.

They tried with whiplash. It just didn't translate. No, no, no, no, no. They tried because they were like my dad. You stole all my dad's shit. It just didn't work. And then that happened because I personally think it's because they let Ike Perlmutter go and Kevin Feigy took over. Like phase three was Kevin Feigy going like, let him.

And you know what else they did? The second they said, like the music came back. Yeah. Yeah. Fige is very heavy into music and score. Because it's emotional. Well, because Prameter would fire everybody because they want to pay him for the next movie. And that's why all the, the Captain America, the second movie didn't have, you had like a hint.

You don't use like a hint of it of the Sylvestery thing. And the steps look cheap because they're just repainting shit. Well, because Sylvestery wasn't even attached to the second Avengers. movie and he came up with the damn theme. It wasn't even here. Wow, I didn't know that. And then he comes back for Infinity War. Yeah, and the movies get that hard back.

I love how much of a score guy works. I don't know the shit. The main Avengers team does not come back. And that's what, and looping that back into this, I didn't really think that there was, like the Danny Elfman score still out of Spider-Man, still my favorite. Out of all of them, it's the most recognizable to me.

And I would love if they play it in this new movie. Well, that's if the three of them are in standing in a dog. Check is dick. But we'll, well, But we'll see. But we'll see. But when we, either way, either way, we're going to find out if it's going to be, if.

We're weeks out now. We're like seven weeks out. Yeah. But the music itself, this to me was the most recognizable since Elfman, right? I started humming it to myself. I was watching it. And when he shows up in other movies and you're like, okay, this is, it works for him. And I thought that the music played pretty well.

It was also more friendly neighborhood than I remembered. I've always complained that the MCN. you, Spider-Man doesn't get to be. It's because I think I listen to everybody. He fights for a bodega. It's, the reason why you're doing that is because, remember, at this point, he's been in what? Civil War, Infinity War end game, far from home and homecoming. So only four of those films he's not.

And I think that's why you're thinking about that, just because the next solo film, he is still technically friendly neighborhood, but just in Europe. But it's also so, it's almost cosmic, like the scale of it, like what he's fighting and stuff. So this is the one that stays friendly neighborhood. So I'm trying to isolate my feeling towards that character. But I appreciate that because let's be honest, like, yes, most of Spider-Man stuff is just protecting New York, but there is a point where he continues to evolve and get more involved in ridiculous things happening outside of his hands. The timing is tricky because Dan Slot was writing Spider-Man around now, and he was doing the Iron Spider-Spider stuff that people love that I've never been a fan of.

Like, Dan Slot is a very iconic Spider-Man writer, but the problem is he gave us two of the best-selling comics that I think tarnished Spider-Man the most. So, like, he gave a superior Spider-Man, which should have been, in my opinion, of what-if, where Doc Doc Doc takes over Spider- Spider-Man's body. that lasts for 60 months. That's five years too long. And he also gave us Iron Spider-Man, which is basically Iron Man, Spider-Man as one character. Spider-Man owns Parker Industries, which takes over lots of companies, and he becomes this global character with tech. That's Iron Man.

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back to the movie. So there's a lot of that they change. But again, because of the changing in the lore, like, you know, because so the vulture. And the daughter, that's not the thing in the comic. What's beautiful is it mirrors green goblin. So what I love about it is that it's a twist on a known twist.

So Spider-Man dealing with parents is always a thing. And what they do is they set it up. So like the green car, the green goblin, the green, and the glider becomes the vulture wings. All of that was really ingenious because you get what everyone thinks of as iconic Spider-Man moments, but with a twist on a twist. That was, there were two things that made me think about the vulture immediately going into the film. The first, I do miss his,

original power set of kind of like draining life force to like make himself. I mean that was way later though. That was 90s. No, no, no. I know that. I know that. But I, I miss that kind of element.

It was always kind of interesting because then you're in a lot of ways sometimes you are similar to Parasite with Superman. You're like almost depowering Spider-Man for me and having to figure something else out. Because again, those are the fights that I like more is when Spider-Man is actually using his head. Because the truth is a lot of times he's not smarter than a lot of people. Or he's not stronger than a lot of people, but he's smarter. So I miss that element a little bit.

But the flip side of it is, I can't think of a moment in an MCU film until we get to Infinity War and Endgame that made me audibly gasp more than when he opens the door for taking list of homecoming. And then there's Michael Keaton. I was like, oh! It was a good move. And calling him Pedro, the condescending parent thing, all of that ties to beautiful thing into young Spider-Man because not only do you get the intimidation of a villain, but you get

someone that knows who Spider-Man is without it being cheesy. And that's what's great about the MCU is people know. And it's like, watching it connect the dots in the car. With her dialogue. And it's also him looking for that father figure, right? He's been looking for the father figure in Tony. You got this kind of anti-father figure here now in Michael Keaton. And the moment to me that screamed, oh, this is a kid.

Like that, when they tried, when Toby McGuire is on the train, oh, that's just a kid. He's 40. Oh, man, that guy pays taxes. That guy's been paying taxes. But he's a kid. It's like, no, he's not a kid. He's like 29. When he is under the rubble.

Amazing Spider-Man 33. That's one of the top of the face. Literally. It's a real thing. It's amazing. It's exactly that a building collapses. Yeah. And that's literally at the upper level of his like strength threshold.

But he's a kid. He's a kid. And he's there. And he goes back to that thing. If you're nothing without the suit. And he's like, come on. Come on, Spider-Man. And he's like, I remember in the theater that being emotional.

My favorite cover of all time. It's literally from 1963. It's great. And they did it perfect. And then they did the classic Spider-Man half-Man, half-mask, half. And, like, he calls himself Spider-Man, because the kid's going to psych himself up. Like, come on, man, come on, Spider-Man. That entire sequence is not confident yet.

Dick Co. And that actually flies back to the other thing. Like, in the beginning, like, every Spider-Man that we had seen before, whether it was Garfields or McGuire, like, remember that big issue that I had with Garfields was that he's on the train, he's kicking people's asses and he's running around. He's done everything. Look at him. He's, he figured it out really quick.

Yeah. This guy is, my favorite. My favorite thing is when he goes, he's like, you shouldn't steal cars. It's my car, dumbass. And then Gary, he's so, Stan Lee, Gary's like, you shut up before I come down there. He's like, hey, Gary, how's your mother? She's going.

And that whole sequence with like the do a backflip, the stealing, like, all of that is so Spider-Man that it actually redeemed a lot of it. So what I did this time is I set what you got. Just you talking about like, do a backflip? It just reminds me of the fairy when he's like, all right, Spider-Man. And then like, I think falls apart.

He's like, okay, I. There's so many New York moments that don't feel as cheesy because that's like real people. But what I had to do this time was I was able to watch this and go like, okay, I love that this isn't the comic book Spider-Man. And that's a really hard thing as a comic fan to do because the Iron Man stuff really does separate it from the comic books. Because in the comic books, a lot of times Iron Man and Spider-Man wouldn't agree. Because Spider-Man wouldn't like that he's sold. Oh, right. Right.

Because that's what the whole Civil War actually is, right? Well, it's basically he convinces him to unmask and then there's some conflicts around that because at the end of the day, Iron Man is a very like warmongery character that becomes good. Spider-Man would never use his powers to sell arms. So that is a conflict, whereas in the movies, I have to accept that, like, Tony's at a different place in his life. Like, Tony's already better when he meets Peter. So I don't mind that father figure, but that never is the timeline in the comic book.

So I think comic fans, if you can separate the fact that the timelines are different, and you can acknowledge Tony as a better person when they meet each other, it really works. That's also why I think this multiverse thing works now, because now it's different Peters, and you can separate that way, and even from the different MJs, And from the different, like, so, like, there's so much going on.

It's also, we have, it surprised me that we haven't had this conversation. And it's probably relevant to have it right now. We haven't mentioned once. Is Tony Stark going to show up? That's what I was just about to say. Yeah. I was, like, holy shit. We never talked about it.

There are two, like, we're going to a multiverse, right? So what is to stop him from, as like a last moment? There's been rumors. There's been rumors. The fact that he died in every episode of what if it makes me think he's coming back. I honestly. think that he's coming back just to give like maybe it's Tony's like I don't

know you but this is this maybe what it is what you're talking about this warmongering Tony maybe Tony didn't really figure it out in one of these other universes and he has a talk with Peter and Peter talks him down in Garfield's yeah I mean Tony's Stark exists in McGuire's thing like so

there there could be some really like that's the one I mean if that one I'll tell you right now if that happens and that's not the one that leaked And who cares about the other ones? That's the one. That's the one everyone's going to be like,

because everyone expect, the second you said multiverse and you show Doc Ock, everybody can guess, okay, the other guys are going to show up, right? There's other ones that you're like, okay, that's interesting. But if he shows up,

and as I'm watching this movie, that's why I think people are like, oh, don't just talk about what he thinks going to happen in the next one, talk about this movie. Because of this. Yeah.

Because of what happens in this movie, and it starts off that relationship that ultimately gets to Infinity War when there's that heartbreaking moment, and then the heartbreaking moment in endgame between them because of the relationship they haven't. It's all set up and it's really this movie is the one that is the strongest between the two of them.

The scene on the ferry where they're talking and he's like, I'm trying to give you a compliment, but it's him trying to be a better father than he was. He was trying to deal with his daddy issues himself and that makes him a better father towards his daughter in Infinity War and Endgame. That to me is the brilliance of Fagy being at the helm of this is you have found a way to tie it back to Tony's own issue.

who's with his dad. Yeah. And that became a through line for him throughout the entirety of his arc from Ironman through Endgame, which you obviously get that final conversation with his dad. And I think that's what's going to end up happening. I think you're going to get a mirrored moment of just like, you know, Tony went in the past, saw his dad, gave him a pep talk about how to be a better dad and everything will be fine.

I think that Peter will go and find a not fully together Tony. He's going to have that conversation with him similarly. Is that going to happen? I honestly think because they've been. done a very good job of mirroring this without making it too heavy, I would not be surprised. It's just, that's just one more layer. 87 cast members. It's just so, it's, it's like as big as end game.

But it's, yeah, but they're calling it's Spider-Man endgame. Yeah. The John Watts said it's his end game. So, and now he is leaving this and going to do Fantastic Four. Like, oh, is it? Oh, yeah. Okay. So this trilogy concludes an entire thing.

And Tom Holland has said how sad it was and how sad the movie is. I honestly, like the recent quotes more and more, I'm like, yo, he's stuck without the MCU. I think he's going to be in a universe without his powers. The Iron Suit, he's going to be without Tony, without the influence of Tony. I think more and more. What about his friends? Because it's set up in this movie because it's the beginning.

So it's funny, it's Zendaya, right? When she's in this movie initially didn't like this, wasn't thrilled with this version of MJ at first when I first saw it. Because I thought she was just trying to play like the too cool flipping off the finger. That's Z though. That's what you said. At first I was like, I don't know. I don't know. I really liked the dynamic because to me it was the Vulture Starter played like the Gwen Stacy.

which is what I liked. And I thought they worked. I thought their chemistry was great. And then she was just doing this thing where she was like, the too cool for school thing never really works for me in general. But when you start to realize

who she is as a person and she really turns around in that second movie, like she really wins me over. And I love their dynamic in that second movie. To parallel that to the comics for you, the too cool for school is effectively the same as going out and partying and drinking.

It's just the Gen Z version of it. So in the comic books, her going out and drinking and partying and being a model, she's actually really broken inside and that's her coping mechanism. To me, they made that really clear If you know the character from the comics And that's why everybody's like

She's not the real MJ. I'm like, no, no, they did a better job Making her the real MJ. So after Far From Home Comes out. After Far From Home was out, I went back after watching this, it really fits an even more so

Because I think she does a great job As far as setting up who this is Because it's just so they have so many Wonderful moments in the next movie That I think really plays in. So I also, I think the other thing That I appreciate and I think this might be one of the reasons

why this jumped to your favorite Spider-Man so far, this is the first Spider-Man film that we've seen that has not been centered around one of his love stories. Like, Liz is still important. Yeah. But this really is not about Peter and Liz. This is about Peter just trying to figure out who he is as a superhero and focusing on what it means to be a teenager,

but also like a savior of folks and all that kind of stuff. And to stay grounded, which is what I didn't remember the movie. It's literally the thesis and my brain was like, I need that. And then the movie's like, this is that. I'm like, oh, I'm an idiot. Like, I really got the movie.

I wanted. The problem is the movie ends with we want you to stay friendly neighborhood. He turns down the thing and he moves on and then they leap into him going to space literally and he never comes back to Earth. So I think my big issue is this movie did really well advertising with this one image of Iron Man in it with this

and I think this was the thing that did too well so then they kept making bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger. I think the sequelitis of it is why retroactively I don't remember how good this one was. I understand that for sure. I think even though you are teasing the multiverse and far from home and again we'll get there next week. I think that that was, again, just a very good plot device to bring,

because with Mysterio's power set, the fact that his whole thing is lies and illusions. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? What little illusions would he be doing in New York that would have the same kind of effect? You know what I mean? So I think that that makes sense. I understand, and again, we'll talk about how I don't, we both agree that we don't think that this is that Iron Man Tony Starkcentric at all.

It's just enough. It's honestly a little bit of seasoning, and that's it. And then when we get to far from home, it's like overpowering the dish sometimes. So I think that this kind of worked out perfectly in that regard about how they kind of addressed everything and how they went, you know, that route. I think that they really just focused on Peter more than anything. I love that aspect of him doing that, them doing that because the first one is that that was when you get into that problem of, well, we did that already. We did that already. And this is why I like the idea of them attaching it to the MCU

because of him trying to find himself Because he's still where we It's what, it's almost a year since he's had his powers When this is taking place It's about a year because he comes back And it's whatever months after Berlin And yeah yeah yeah whatever it's. So it's about a year

He's been only had it for a year And he's running around He said that great scene when he And I thought was super Spider-Man When he goes into the bank He's like, oh the Avengers are here And he's like, oh, Thor is Hulk, nice to meet you Yeah, yeah, yeah, right

Why are you here, I'm and you're rich Right All of that like his His humor really works there, and it plays very well. And so all these great moments that you have because Holland doesn't, this is what I was talking about with Garfield, right? Who I really like is Spider-Man. My issue with him as Peter Parker was he's very confident as Peter Parker. Tom Holland is not.

Tom Holland is, there's parts of him that he can, when he's talking to Ned, and he has like these conversations. What? No. But it's real. He's not tripping over every shoe. His accent slips out, though, here and there. Yeah. But he's like, no.

No, what do you mean? And even that reveal when Ned sees him, but he's not confident. He's this kind of awkward kid. And then when he puts on the suit, he's still, he's more confident. He still has an arc. He still has an arc. I mean, I think for me, the moments that kill me, and again, just go to how good of a Spider-Man he is, is even again how he uses his power. So, like, when he stops the bike robber, he's just like, here, hold this.

He's just flying up. Like, that's the kind of Spider-Man fighting that is like, that's the brilliance, is that he, that he, again, he's almost like a prankster. Right. It's kind of like how he fights. As a pranks, he brawls when he's pissed. Right. When he's pissed, he'll take your head off.

Right. But like his standard fighting is like, I'm not necessarily trying to hurt you. I'm just trying to stop you. He's playful in his, and I also think one of my problems with this has always been the Iron Spider suit. And like, I know this isn't the Iron Spider suit, but the amount of tech in the suit really affects negatively Spider-Man, but that's the moral part two is if you can't be this without the suit, you don't deserve this.

Right. And that's why I'm hoping at the end of no way home. he doesn't have it because I want to see Spider-Man have to use his head more than like 87 webs more than like all of that. And we're not talking enough about the fact that what I really thought was a great touch was using Jennifer Connolly as the voice in Vision's wife. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. Wait, she's married to Paul Bettney? Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So that's why I enjoyed that. But here's a problem. Okay. Here's a problem. That her name is Karen. Yes. Well, it was before the Karen.

I know. So here's my problem with it Is the fact that like This is why I think it was wrong to choose that name To do everything that we did Because why not Myrtle There's like six Murdels in the world So like now if I watch a movie

I'm not gonna get a character ruined by Myrtle Because every time they said Karen can help me to go Or she said hey Karen you know this And I'm like waiting for somebody to film the suit And try to post her on Twitter to get her in trouble Right like I'm like it's like Timeline man

The name the name is a You want them to re-release the film with the double? No, no, no, I'm saying why did we choose that name? There's a ton of, like, that name is, it's for a bit down the line, but it's like, but for God's sakes, that particular name, you could have chose Myrtle or Gertrude. It started with Barbecue Becky, so it could have, we could have stuck with Becky, but nobody went with it. There's like three Gertrudes.

You could have called someone Gertrude. Well, that's, what, they're all dead the rest of them. But that's the thing. People do refer, like, you got to watch Blurds at some point, because we actually have a breakdown of by age of what stages they're in. So Gertrude is 65 plus that she's got her pissed on the lawn. Right. Like Gertrude's a real like that's a.

Right. But everybody could. But anyway, so the second is because you can't, there's no one that can watch this movie now. Without that. What can I call you? Karen is like,

well, why did he call it? Did she say something racist? Now, we got to talk about three Easter eggs in this. There's three huge Easter eggs. Two of which are my favorites of my top 10 Easter eggs in the MCU. One of which is just fun.

I love the Branzino line. The fish line that Flash Thompson says, the Branzino is the fish. they're eating an amazing Spider-Man. So did we like Flash in this one? I know that Tony. Tony's great. I don't mean him.

I can't separate it. I don't mean him as an actor. I mean the character because he's not, he's not the jock that was, again, multiverse. Sure. Also, Gen Z. I think that's the thing. I think that's the thing to click again. They literally took the property.

They're like, what age are we in right now? And who would be in? Who would be in high school? Where would this be? So flash. And he's part of the debate team too. And the one kid, though, the black kid that was. Oh, that's Abraham Otta.

He's hilarious. kid from Abesive Southern Wild. He is hilarious. When he throws in the couple of things, he's like, you're wrong. Flash was wrong. Remember we said not to use the bell for comedic effort. There's some really good comedy in this, by the way.

And so that's my thing. Like, you know, when there's certain comedic moments that fit, I love it. The mascot running by? Not just the mascot. My favorite moment in the whole damn thing. Dude, there's three shots of the mascot in the background, just sprinting by a room. Like, and you've never zoom in on it.

We never mentioned it. There's just three shots of a guy with three different. the mascots holding their head running by a room. But my favorite moment in the whole thing that I left, audibly the first time I saw it and did it again when I watched it earlier today when I finished it was when freaking Favro comes to Stankham and they're in the bathroom, the toilet flushes,

and the kid comes out and he's just like, those silent moments in that scene. And he looks, and he just, but then he's walking out and he's just like, that kid's the same kid that was like that they saw any, and he goes, just playing chess. That kid is great. So good.

That's the part where I'd never understand. Like, if you like a grittier superhero film, fine. But I never understood people that are like, I hate the MCU. Because it's little moments like that. Like, you know what I'm saying? You can still have the serious moments of come on Spider-Man, come on Spider-Man. But then have that moment of just like, Flash was wrong, by the way. Like, that's hilarious.

Have the scene in the car, but also have that sequence. It's literally, you know, delete that footage. What are those? I thought a good mixture of the humor. and the seriousness was the monument scene. Yes. Because that all of that because he's trying to figure it out again, you know, he's climbing up and she's telling him,

and then you have that kind of juxtaposition of, oh, we're fine, lethal. Lethal. And Flash trying to save the trophy over his friends. Like that's hilarious. Yeah. Dude, even even, uh, we'll call her suit lady so we don't, so we don't get messed up because he does call her suit lady at first.

Don't trigger Christian. Hey, no. Hey, her name, her name's Karen. I'm just saying that they took that name. I just feel bad for anybody who's not an asshole face. that is named Karen. I mean, the funniest thing is a friend of mine named Karen who I've known for a long time was like, I'll be your Karen anytime.

I don't even care if they ruin my name. It's totally fine. He's like, what's up, Kay? But like, even when he's like, oh, God, oh, God. He's like, oh, split a web, takes a web. He's doing all this stuff. And he's like, great job there, Peter. You were 95% effective with 95.

And then this starts falling apart. I'm like, even that in a very serious moment is hilarious. It's a funny reason. Because it's when it ties in for me. It's not a forced. Star Wars or whatever it might be when it's actually works out. Like I always use the, you know, if you want to use the two examples that I use for Star Wars, Hans Solo when he's in episode four.

And he's like, who is this? Boom, he shoots his important conversation anyway, right? That's what Hans Solo would do, as opposed to, is this general hugs? Hugs? Oh, your mom's on the phone. What? He's tying with you, sir. What are you talking about?

I was very spaceball. We're just so space balls. But this, to me, was like, we've said, Spider-Man up. We've set up this whole thing where we're in this zone that it works. There's a lot of stuff that I think in the happy stuff, and he just want to take the phone call. I like Ned in this one better

than I like him in the next one. I'm really curious about re-watching the next one because of how I thought this was a B-plus film and realizing it's an A, I'm really curious what I think of far from home and re-watch him. But I got two Easter eggs. I want to gish. All right, so my two of my favorite Eastergs in the entire MCU. One is the principal is played by the same actor. That plays in the Howling Commando.

So he's in First Avenger as a guy in the 40s. So there's a scene in the principal's office where he has a photo of himself behind him, because he's playing his own grandson. So instead of having the joke of casting... He was his grandfather. So the grandfather's photos behind him. So he's playing his own grandson

from the guy from First Avengers. That's genius. Oh, that's funny. And the second one is Donald Glover is the reason we got Miles Morales. Because the campaign Spider-Man was Donald for Spider-Man. Donald for Spider-Man,

but there was, again, as that came out and said, Sony leaks, that they were like, Spider-Man will never be anything but white and straight. And so Miles, that was both a nod to,

I guess, Andrew Garfield interview recently. He was like, well, I was like, well, what if, you know, like he's exploring his sexuality? Yeah, there's not having to be a good. So when you said that, though, someone had written back that that was not because,

well, certainly, into the spider verse, he's got a thing for Gwen. Yes. So that's the thing. So Miles is by. So there's a point at which, like, he is flirted with Gwen before.

I can't remember the character that he ends up flirting with at one point. Miles? Yeah. I cannot remember it to save my life. But it is something that was like known a while back, and that's the other thing, is he's obviously he's half-black, half Puerto Rican, so it's also that too.

So they were trying to not necessarily push Donald to be Peter Parker, though they were wanting that too, if that's a possibility, but they wanted him as Miles. And that's where they wouldn't do it, they wouldn't do it. And so he actually got a bunch of nods from Marvel in one way or another. So when this is Aaron Jones, he actually plays the voice of Miles Morales and the ultimate Spider-Man cartoon. So he's still got to do it to a service.

What I love in this is he's Aaron Davis. So he plays his own uncle. So in this, he references his nephew. Well, it's funny is that's why I'm glad that I watched Spider-Verse. Because you got that tie-in right away. I mean, I remember people telling me about it. And he mentions that he says, Climbers, he talks about his nephew.

Yeah, he says, I got a nephew here. But the thing I love, the detail I love is the car he's web two. The license plate is Ultimate Spider-Man 1. Oh, really? The first appearance of Miles Morales. So he's playing a character that his first appearance, he's glued to the car of mentions that, like, all of it is so many tiers of matter. That's funny.

So when that whole thing, is there, does that tie in anything? You think, because you would mention you think that's potentially that Miles might show up in us. I would, at this point, this is what I think is going to end up happening. I think you're going to overload people if you do go full Spider-Man everywhere. You might see him in the back. Now that we know some of the things, and even now this idea, because it's in my head now, I think he's going to see Tony Stark. I think you probably stick with the three Spider-Man.

I think you probably see the various villains and stuff like that. I think your post-credit scene is Miles in some form of fashion. I think that there might be a, huh? I think multiverse. I think Dr. Strange is going to be the post-credit scenes Venom. But there's, but there's two. But I think they're going to flash. I think we flash through the multiverses,

and it's during the movie, we flashed through a world of miles. I think we flashed through a Spider-Gwen. I think we flashed through a Peter Porker. I honestly think we're going to go through some, I honestly, they're going to go through some crazy, but that's the only way you bring in animation,

not make it feel weird. I don't know if you get ever not make it feel weird. I love, by the way, my daughter's favorite was Spider-Ham. Yeah. And he's... Spider-Man Nor for me. Nicholas Cage, man.

Good God. He's got the best line in the whole movie. I know we're not talking about that. When he goes, we don't pick the ballroom. We just dance. Yes. Yes. I love the smells like rain line.

Nicholas Cage just nailed that. But even Spider-Ham, when he goes, he's like, have you ever just floated in the, in whatever he's, smelling a fresh pie or whatever he says? Dude, but... Nice to meet you. My hands are wet because I wash them. So I don't know if I could see him in.

in a live action. I don't know if it'll be a voice thing in my flash. But I do think Miles is going to be in that sequence. And I think that he needs to be not with Tom Holland because the age thing we talked about last week. Well, sure. Yeah, the one thing I will tell you, though, is that no one's too scared of this movie. And it's because it's not a scary movie, guys. It's not a scary movie.

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Just put him over there. Halloween's over. We're deep November. He's doing good. All right. So what else we need to really hit on here? because like Ned, so as I mentioned, supporting cast, great, villain, great.

The end, the end, when Marista Tomei goes. So I forget, because she discovers him in this, and I have to go back and watch far from home, and I just saw it recently, and I can't remember. So she knows he's Spider-Man at that point. Yeah, they do the feast organization together. Right, right, because they feel like, yes, because at the very end of this movie,

he's like, he's got the soup back, he slings in, he takes his mask off, and then a focus, yeah, unfocused Marissa Tomey at the back, what the, now what bothers me is the, they, They don't really allow him to have spider sense in this movie because they lean so heavily into Toby and Andrew having spider sense. But then they give him Spider Sense and Endgame, obviously.

Like, we build into that. I'm curious if they're going to have anything about, like, those people were safe. That's why he was like, he wasn't alerted to them in the room. Because both, like, Genki. I mean, well, it's Genki, basically. But Ned Leads and Marissa Tomey being like, your Spider-Man is an absent Spider-Sense.

Right. He's only been developing his powers for a year. So maybe it's really, like, maybe it kicked in. Yeah, I hope so. But I think the other thing, too, just thinking about in that regard, I mean, remember, the Spider Sense can be overloaded, it can be tricked.

Like, it's not an end-all-be-all. It's like, Aunt May's not going to hurt him, so it didn't go off. Right, exactly. You know what I mean? It's just like, there's a little bit of, like, my brain has to go like. No, no, I totally get that,

but like that, May would have had to have made hell, like, even just a, it would have been enough maybe for it to go off. Sure. But, like, you know what I'm saying? But both, both Ned and her. Sure. I have more of. an issue with the Ned one than I do

because he's in such a, like, gleeful state that he's not been paying attention to it when he, at the end, he's got the suit on, when you know, May, he seems, and he's not even thinking, and he calls for her. He's like, May, May, and she's not there. Right. And then he's like, all right, and he's just kind of not, he's not locked in.

So that one, I give a pass. The other one where he's actually actively crawling in to make sure that no one sees him. Looking around suspicious. Not sensing that, because what if, what if it was a Ned? What if it was a criminal in him? Yeah. You know, he doesn't sense that.

maybe that's what he maybe maybe usually senses me you guys know better than I do but I thought that the spider sense really kicks in when he's in danger that's what I'm saying is maybe he wasn't in danger but it also but that's the whole thing with the spider sense it's not it's not like precognition per se it's literally his senses are so right his senses are just so attuned literally net doesn't move that's a point he is he is he's just I like that writing better in my head canon I like the idea that it's more of a sensory like like as a spider web like you reach out and you feel the pinch in the air, like Andrew Garfield. They even, they even mentioned it in Civil War.

Once again, to be important that we watched the scene before. When he was there, he's like, how can you see out of these? He's like, I have to. My sensors are dialed up to 11. If I don't, if I don't turn it down, I'm overloaded. And then in the bus scene with his hair standing up, Infinity War, that's when we first see it in the MCU. Right, right, right.

Yeah, about that. I'm looking forward to that. So we have to, because we still, you know, a little bit more to talk about this movie. So we'll watch in his Infinity War scenes and his endgame scenes first. Those all happened before, Farf Mom. far from home and then so we'll cover those first in the beginning of next week's episode. Are we going to do next week's Thanksgiving.

Are we going to do it? No, no, no, no. Thanksgiving is the week after that. Oh, okay. So we got one more week before Thanksgiving and then the following week. So are we going to Spider-Verse? No, we're going to do Spider-Verse. We'll release it on that day.

We'll probably just have to shoot it beforehand. Okay. But we'll release it so that way people have an episode. Okay, got you. Yeah, I have an episode for it for the weekend. So I'm going to Comic-Con that weekend. Are you really going? I'm actually, I've got three panels.

You're like the first person, you're probably going to be hosting to yourself. Just me? Who's going? No, Comic Con. The Comic Con is Thanksgiving weekend. Why?

Literally the weekend in a Navy town are doing a Comic-Con. I don't know if I've ever heard of a stupider decision. I thought it was for the purposes of like, we'll figure it out as a placeholder. And then now it's happening. I'm booked on Thanksgiving weekend. That's what I mean. I thought they were kicked it.

It's the, everyone travels the most on Thanksgiving to their homes to see their family. They're not coming to San Diego. Especially over like a Navy town where you're visiting your, your safety. It's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. And I got three panels like they're happening. So I'll be down there.

Yeah, it's really weird. Yeah. But are the studios presenting anything? Not the studios. I'm doing three comic panels, which feels like the 90s. You know what it is? I think that it's because, if I was to guess, it's very similar with Sony when they have the property right.

And I think that after a certain amount, you have to hold it. Because it would be two years of nothing. Of nothing. So maybe they're just trying to use anything. Maybe they're just grasping of straws. But man, that weekend? Yeah, I'm going to be down at a better show. Why don't do it?

I'm glad they're not doing it. weekend of December because that's that's spectacular but like that's but I'm also confused why they wouldn't just do what everyone else did and we're we'll be fine by next year it feels like so just do one virtual so more virtual because I think that because it's it's the space because you have to do it for the space I don't know how much while they know how much money I get that but they know how much money the amount of those leases involved dude like it means there's some like the you're thinking that they would raise it they would let them come back but then raise They were talking about leaving San Diego for years.

They've been talking about going to other studios. I mean, other con locations. So maybe this was something. Either way, yeah, that's why I was working. I'm like, I don't want to miss our Spider-Verse one. Yeah, we'll just, we'll record it. We'll figure it out. Yeah, because I've already watched the movie.

So we'll just figure out when we need to do it. You guys watch the movie and then we'll check it. There's only two more movies left. That's the old saying, yeah, we got the mega chunk and then far from home and then Spider-Verse itself. And so for people asking, basically what we're going to do is the way we will do this is we will do a review of, I'll do a single review of No Way Home after I see it, and then we'll do a non-spoiler review for sure,

and then we're going to do, whether or not we do a non-spo, it depends on when we see it, right? If we see it, like, Koi and I had seen Eternals earlier, so we did a non-spoiler kind of longer review. I was so bummed that couldn't do that with y'all, because I saw it like the day it came, I loved it. I loved it. It's a whole other conversation.

But so, which I love, I love it too. But so either way, if we, if we. see it early enough and we don't want to we want to talk about it and not get spoiled them we'll do a non-spoiler however if we see it just around the same time as everyone else we'll do Winston myself and Coy will do a full spoiler I'm trying to get a plus one that way I'll be able to say and no Coy's probably got a Sony thing I think so I'll take Winston and that way we can we can continue off and and end our Spider-Man rewatch or watch rather with with that movie and then we're going to move into the Matrix um Winston's going to return for the rewatch series

with Coy and myself again, because we're going to do the Batman one for sure as we lead into March. But we have more stuff and we have more ideas for what we're going to do with rewatch. But continuing this on, let's see, we got a little bit, well, you know what, before we do, I do want to tell you one more thing before we leave, ladies and gentlemen. Where is it? No. Oh. I have all these great sponsors, but this is the one that I wanted to talk to you about.

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Let's talk about patience. And it trolls you in the same exact town the movie has. It's so clever. It's great. Yeah. But that's not, that's not the main one. The main one is the vulture and Scorpion. Yeah.

So when that all happens, and he's like, this to me goes back to the character of who he is. He wasn't lying when he's saying he was doing it. this for his family, right? He was doing this for because he, his whole thing was, it was the little guy that was getting screwed. And he's like, come on, Pete, you know, they don't start doesn't care about us. He don't care about us, right? And he protects him. And he goes, and he even says to him, he's like, I'm going to let you out of here. I'm going to walk through those doors because you protect, you saved my daughter's life. And I'm not going to forget that. But if you don't, I'll kill everybody, you know. Yeah. But then he saves him.

So it's like another one. I'm not going to rat you out now. That was the one thing I forgot to mentioned that he reminds me so much of um thanos no no no not thanos of uh oh my god uh ralph biscuits juan carlo espacito yeah in breaking bad yeah yeah yeah why does god gus thank you the idea that he did not innately start off on this murderous wrath right it's that as things unfolded so like even with that shocker that chocker was running his mouth like i'm out of here and he's like dude what he's like and he's like i'm a traffic guy and i'll tell people he goes oh cool and he's thinks it's a gravity gun and incinerates him, he goes, oh, well, that's all my problem. And, like, he starts to go to that place when he's getting darker and darker and he's

willing to kill. And he understands that he's just protecting his family at the end of the day. And he's just still pop back into, like, that code of honor. Like, as he says, he's like, you know, if I knew who he was, he'd be there. And that, to me, is a way more interesting vulture than the one we even get in the comics. I think this is one of those movies where the, the character improves with more screen time. And I like this. Black and White, exactly. He's not just a, a villain. Yeah. And this is a, and this is, way more interesting. And that last credit scene is why I thought for years he was going to recruit the Sinister 6. Because it felt like to me, Scorpion would be 1. You know, he's

recruiting Morbius in the trailer. I don't know if that's going to come to pass. So we know Keaton's in Morbius, obviously. They showed him in that. How that all ties into this, we don't know. Because the more and more we get closer to this, though, I think that Koi might be right where they're just going to figure out a way to get Tom Holland into the Sonyverse, keep him in the Sonyverse and he can't get back to the MCU. But see, that's the thing. What is to stop him from being in both? Because, again, And since we've opened up the multiverse at this point, what is to stop people from just freely flowing through dimensions and all that kind of stuff?

Lawyers. Yeah. Well, you say that, but again, I think Sony sees the writing on the wall. Oh, I see the benefit for Sony and Marvel,

but it's bigger on one side. Yeah. Well, I think that's going to be temporary because of that. Yeah. It's just a matter of how the deals. You're right. I mean,

they can put together deals that because they've opened this possibility up, they could put it together. I just think for the time being. Sure. I think it also might benefit, Spider-Man. I could use some friendly neighborhood hijinks. I really could use a Spider-Man that feels like this first movie. Like I could use some

contained, like we're talking about the shows versus the movies. I could use, I'd love a Spider-Man show, but I'd never have it. But I could use some of that scale Spider-Man adventures. That way when this gets big again, it feels like something. After far from home going to space and all this stuff, I'm like, yo, go back to the bodega. Like, I'd like that character again. And that's what Sony could give us. So overall, this

movie, I think... Or through Miles, or Spider-Win. Yeah, well, this movie, Tom Holland really sets it up. I think people, it was a hard thing to do because the same thing with it, Andrew, I think he had more of a cushion than Garfield did. I still think Garfield had the hardest road because it was two years removed from a very beloved franchise minus coy. But it was just a couple of years removed. The end of the day, we now know who's the weakest Spider-Man, and they only get better. But it was that far removed.

So he had a lot to go against, right? And then the second movie doesn't hit. He doesn't have this Marvel cushion because Holland had a Marvel cushion. He was introduced through Marvel, which was already had a lot. a crap load of successful Marvel films already. And then he debuts in one of the most, that was essentially an Avengers film with them all fighting.

Everybody, remember how hyped up everyone was for Civil War? And his, it was like a wrestler, it was like a wrestler's debut at the Royal Rumble. When they show him, I mean, it's like, oh, there he is. And so he had that going for him, but he capitalized on it. And they capitalized on it by doing a really good movie.

I was working at a movie theater at the time when Civil War came out. I don't remember when it's 47 minutes or 52. There was a minute mark that his entrance is, And I would go in every single show, and I would just hear the audience lose their mind at the Spider-Man, and just and leave. Like, I would just experience that every single day. You were not in the space yet at that point? I was, uh, I made so little money.

I was doing both. Dude, I worked the Infinity War red carpet, and then I worked at a movie theater serving food at the Infinity War movie. Oh, here. Yeah, in L.A. I was in L.A. I was in L.A. Oh, okay. I thought I knew you. Did you go to IPIC?

I worked at IPIC, bro. I was a bartender for a year. What? This is hilarious. That's ridiculous. Yeah, dude, dude, I was a server. You guys worked together? Do you know, yeah, apparently.

Best ever. Do you remember, do you remember Chris and Dan Taylor? She did it. Point in each other. Point in each other. I did. I know. Pasadena?

Servers? Marvel films? Is that how you guys? Terry, the drunk, the drunk manager. Dude, we worked together before we worked together. I literally kept looking at you every time I saw you a collider. I swear I know this guy, but I don't know. We work together in the civilian?

And if you're an audience member, please piece this out. I will retweet it. I cannot believe. Yeah. So we like literally served. Pilar. Yeah. No, dude, I definitely worked with you for a lot.

That's incredible. It was the meeting you said it. Was Lisa the GM? She was incredible. I love Lisa. To this day. You never figured this out until now? In this moment.

Until this exact moment. Because we didn't really start talking until the Schmodeon when I was managing you. And I was never had a geeky conversation once when you were there. Because you were bartending. I was just grabbing drinks running into the theaters. So I was still working there through Infinity War and I was working Infinity War. When did you start there? All right.

This is for another conversation. We could do this later. That's hilarious. That's insane, man. hilarious. Anyway, shout out to I pick past the BASD. There's the Spider-Verse. There's the multiverse. Right now there's a multiverse or me and him are still working at us.

And actually talk about it. Talk to each other. We're just standing there geeking out over Avengers 18. You guys actually talked to that you started a podcast and you have 300,000 subscribers within two weeks. Good work us. I'm proud of us over there. And look at us. Spider's Blowing over there. And that's, look at us.

Who would have thought? Who'd have thought? All right, listen. Dude, we knew each other before we knew each other. That's crazy. This was a lot of fun. Watching this movie was a lot of fun. Really enjoyed it.

This was the first one. this was a homecoming, and this was the first Tom Holland movie inside the MCU. Of course, we covered the Civil War stuff in the beginning. Once again, guys, if you didn't already, please, please, please do. Please go and head on over to the Big Thing podcast feed. See an audio. It is very important. It helps us.

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Thank you guys so very much for joining us here. I'm pumped. I'm pumped for next week. Next week we're going to do far from home. Jakey Jakes. Yep. And then we're going to close that. We're only two-way guy.

What a, what a adventure. What adventure it's been. It's been a ride, man. It has. All right. We got a couple left. Thank you guys so very much. We appreciate you.

And we'll catch on the flip side. Peace. Dude.