The Kristian Harloff Show - REWATCH: Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse (2018) Deep Dive | The Big Thing

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All right, we've reached the end, everybody. I hope you're all fat on turkey, gravy. You enjoyed yourselves? Well, and now you can enjoy this last Spider-Man rewatch as we get to. No Way Home. And it's coming up. Man, what an absolute ride it's been so far. We did all of the Spider-Man movies.

Last week we did Far From Home, and now we're wrapping with Into the Spider-Verse. And we're excited to talk about this one. It's a really, it's the Oscar winning. into the Spider-verse. So there's a lot, man. There's a lot to talk about for sure. And before we do that, everybody, if you're brand new to the channel

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It's very important. on audio, so please do that. But I have Winston here. I have Coy here, and we are going to be talking about Into the Spider-Verse. It is the animated film. Lord and Miller made it. A lot of great voices and actors. It's fantastic. And here we go. Welcome back. One and all, Spider-Man, Into the Spider-Verse, the re-watch series, the finale of the re-watch series. I am Ralph Biscuits. Join, as always. Ralph Boner By Lou Hawaii

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What This is gonna be a fun one We knew that this was going to be a fun one When we talked about Kind of planning these out This is the movie It's like one of the best Spider-Man movies like

I'll take it a step further man. Yeah. This is my favorite superhero movie of all time. Wow. It's in my top three and it changes. So I know it's like tied for first for me. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, it changes too because like, don't get me wrong. There is an added bonus you get for being a live action. Yeah. Superhero film and done well. But rewatching this for probably the 20th time.

Yeah. You hit so many elements. The story is so well done. Lord and Miller have mastered doing animated. The animation. The animation. that when I first saw it, I saw it in theaters and I saw it in 3D.

I normally hate 3D, but for some reason I was like, I'm gonna go watch it in Doby 3D. And they shot it for that. And they shot it like a console. Well, they showed it a Comic-Con. When they should preview a Comic-Con, they showed it in 3D. You said, oh, okay, because that's a little preview. I'm investing.

So, what was so great about this one, because this could easily, this is a big risk all the way around, not only from the animation side of it, but it's also your, and not only are you leading with a character who's not Peter Parker. And for for comic book fans,

people were geeking out the Miles Morales finally got his shot. But people who didn't know who Miles Morales was. Like, well, who's this? This is not Spider-Man. Those are just two risks. I don't even think it's the biggest risk. I think the biggest risk is convincing people that a multiverse isn't going to get too confusing in an hour and a half.

Quantum theory for kids. Hard pitch. It's a hard pitch. And not only that, and then we're going to bring in Spider-Ham and he's going to be one of the best parts of the movie. What are you talking about? All the characters are bold. You would think, well, this is the reason you got kicked off solo. And it's like, but.

What movie could have been after seeing this? 100%. What that could have been? That's what that got people talking about once this was done. It's like, well, maybe they should have finished solo. Maybe they had a particular vision because they certainly had a particular vision for this and it worked. Dude, it's so good on so many levels. The fact that you get your kind of double Uncle Ben moment, which is like depressing to think about.

but the fact that he meets his Peter Parker for a second and then dies. And then he has his uncle Aaron who like instead of being that moral compass that Uncle Ben is for Peter where it's like it's the anti-ben, but there's still goodness there. And then he dies and they even are, you know, we're jumping ahead pretty far. But when all the spider people are like, we all had it. For me, it was my best friend. For me it was, you know, my father. And that inverse uncle Ben landed more in the movie than the comic for me.

I loved Uncle Aaron as the inverse of like power and her story. And that like didn't kind of got muddled in the comic book. They really streamlined that. A thousand percent. And to be honest with you, I mean, obviously one of the reasons why this works so well, you know, having this, you know, Afro-Latino, uh, main protagonist, you also have the idea for a lot of folks that look like Miles, it look like me, where you have people in your life that are really good people at their core, but they sometimes do things that aren't great. But that doesn't mean you throw them completely out. Right. Right. And so even that mentality of like, God, my uncle is a bad dude, but like he's not.

But he just made bad choices. Yes. And that was the thing where. Now he's Blaine. And watching. Is he? Is he? Is he? So the same act. For Herschel of her. Right. So, um, yeah, but watching all that. I'm watching it with my daughter. Remember, I told you guys I was going to watch this. How was she liked it? I learned her log line. She loved it. She absolutely loved it. And she was asking a lot of questions.

She was super invested in the story. Even that one scene where Miles goes to his uncle's apartment. She's like, does the uncle know that it's him? I was like, no, he doesn't because he's just chasing this kid. Because he sees the kid, never really saw in his face and this whole thing. But even the setup to the beginning of it and the way that they even set up when, how she goes to school. And Haley Steinfeld is great in this. I mean.

Jake Johnson. The Spider-Man, we never knew we needed. Phenomenal. It really is. The funny thing is, I didn't actually notice at first that it was Chris Pine doing the first Peter Parker. But to know. I said, a Shmodon question that has stumped some people. Really?

They thought they were just both Jake Johnson. I think so. But I didn't realize that, which is very funny then listening to the, when he's singing the Christmas album and the credits. Because Chris Pines just rocking out. What, I do this thing. I should have had my agent call and got me in the swing. I want to see that tape. I want to see him in the boot.

singing that song so bad. I love that it was also a Ben Riley nod because they made blonde. Like as a Ben Riley stand, it's rare we get. That's the clone of Spider-Man that took over for a bit. I never thought we'd see a blonde Spider-Man. I thought I found a plot hole for a second watching it this time.

And then I realized it gets explained pretty quickly. So I first thought when they were like, okay, the Chris Pine one died at 26. And then the Peter B. Parker comes in. He's like, I've been doing this for like 26 years. And I was like, so he's in his 40s. How, if they're supposed to be the same, dude, how is it that there are different ages?

And then I realized, wait a minute. The noir dude is like, my time is in the 30s. And Penny is like, my time is in the future. Different timelines. Yeah, everything's possible. Yeah, it's just the fact that when it opened up and what year it opened up and when you were the spider of that time. And at that point, when Jake Johnson's Spider-Man was in his 20s, he was probably

the same kind of excited Spider-Man that Chris Pines was. And down the line, what had happened was he just made all these. The shower seat kills me. The Mary Cade. Well, the fact that they even gave a baby nod to one more day in the sense it was like, you know, explain the idiot. The one more day was the storyline we talked about before where he reveals to the world. I'm, you know, I'm Spider-Man.

Aunt May get shot and killed. And so then to undo that, they break up their marriage. They did a slight twist on it where Aunt May passed and then I broke up with Mary Jane. So it's a little different, but it's a commentary on it. little bit because of just how his world fell apart. So even when, in both cases, wanting to talk to Aunt May and Mary Jane's like, I don't know if I can do this. Which loosely ties into what they're doing with No Way Home, which is what we're doing this rewatch for, is one more day, is one more day? One More Day, I think, is loosely how they're doing the magic of Dr. Strange and that going wrong.

So instead of it being Mephisto, or is it, it's going to be Dr. Strange doing the spell that causes the problem. So it's a kind of an homage to one more day, which is not a good comic, but it is a good story to branch out from. Yeah. And so when they set it up, and it's really Miles, though, that makes you care. about this story because he's a sweetheart of a kid. He's a good kid. Watch dope. Shmeekbourne's incredible.

He's great. I love that movie. And so he is set up in this movie where you're like, okay, he's just, he's got that Peter Parker kind of thing about him where he's awkward. Yeah, yeah. But I love that thing where that's what is his piece, is the music. Yeah. I love that.

And the music that he's listening to. Great music in this movie, by the way, all the way around. And he's listening to Biggie at one point. I would actually argue, I know how much you love the Elfman's. I think that this score and soundtrack is the best out of all of them personally. And part of that would just have to do with the fact that like obviously being a hip hop head and there's so much tying to it. It's, for me, this, this trumps all of them, unfortunately. To me, it connects more directly to the character.

So Danny Elfitt is a cool superhero score, but it doesn't feel like Toby because he doesn't have a character. It felt like his character was alive in music. Exactly. And there's a visual component to it. Like all the graffiti stuff sounds like the sound of the music. And post Malone, is going to be forever associated with this, unlike Danny Elfman's score,

which it's close, but for me, it's this. I say the score is really good, and it's, but I think that if you played it to most fans, they, if you took the Spider-Man fan theme from Elfman, and this one,

if to 10 people, eight out of 10 people, that comic star, excuse me, Spider-Man fans, or I should be Spider-Man, they'd probably get both, but like, you know,

comic book fans in general, people who like this movies, would guess the Spider-Man thing before they'd guess this. I'm not saying enjoyable, Sure. And I'm not saying whether it fits the movie, I'm just recognizable.

Sure. To me, the Danny Elfman Spider-Man theme is the most recognizable and iconic. To me, it's still my favorite like that. But the overall, the overall score, this one.

I mean, in the same way that if you play Batman 89, the da-da-da-da-da. Versus Dark Night. The Dark Night scoring, in my opinion, is better, but the more iconic is the 89.

It's one, it's, yeah, I do think that the Danny Elfman one is better. The main theme, the overall score, I agree. But I think, the main theme itself is.

I still run to this. Like I still put on the soundtrack, whereas I don't generally, you know, dabble in the- for sure. And again, you not only had that you had, again, from the soundtrack, you had just iconic songs like Sunflower and things like that that, like tied to it. But I guess that's the whole thing.

It's that I understand I was already going to be a little bit biased because any time you see representation like that, you're going to like gravitate towards it. But I also just, again, from a subject, from an objective standpoint, it just to me, directly resonates with the character.

It also feels like New York. Yeah, to me, that's so important. It doesn't, and it's funny. It's a very funny movie, but not funny in the way that I told you that I have issues with. It's fine. Not funny in the way that, oh, this is going to be funny because we just need a joke here. Like, my favorite line in the whole damn thing is, we don't pick the ballroom, we just dance. But that's what that character would say.

And that moment. And it all worked. And spider ham, the stuff with the delicious pies and all this. I mean, they're trying to test, they're trying to test miles like, so can you do this? Can you get punched and get back up?

He's like, can you float? Boy, whatever you smell a delicious pie. It's all so insane and it all works because the movie lets you live in that suspension of disbelief

that's to a level that I didn't think possible. But it also allows them all to have arcs, right? And it certainly allows the Jake Johnson character have that arc of where he's got to try to figure it out and he's got his big fat belly

sticking around, but he still has all the Spider-Man stuff. You can tell this guy's been around and done this stuff a million times over. And Aunt May is great. by the way. Oh my gosh.

Can we talk about maybe, I mean, I know people love Alfred Molina, but this Dr. Octopus. Can we give Captain Hahn some respect on Hunter? Yeah, I would still give Molina the nod is the best.

Taken off and like the character design of that doc off? Incredible. I don't know if I give it to Molina. I think I give it to Hahn. I'm with Hunt right now. And only from the simple standpoint of she didn't attempt,

and this is weird to say, she didn't attempt to recreate Malina. She really gave her own original take. on it. I thought she was great. I just think that Molina had a little bit more to do. I think that it's Kingpin, it's Kingpin story as far as the main villain. So, you know, with the whole thing with, he's got to get his Vanessa

and what his motivation is. Leib Trever was fantastic. And that's Sinckevich art. So it's based off a very iconic cover artist. So Kinpin looking like that is this one very specific artist Sinkkevich. So I never thought we'd see characterizations. I thought there'd be nods to comics forever. They literally

made the Sinkhevich art come to life in this movie. And same with the the Spider-Gwen, the color palette is, every one of those comics is drawn that way. So I'm really excited for this next Spider-Verse movie. If they go into these other worlds, if the entire world is going to be that color palette, 299 might do it, because Spider-Gwen did it?

Did you notice both when they do their origins, but specifically when they travel back to their dimensions at the end, that it hits you with a color palette of what their dimension looks like. Immediately. Like her drumming with the spectral trails of purple, all of that straight from the comic books. So this medium of this style of animation allows us when they make the sequel and they make the Spider-Gwen sent off all those things.

And if No Way Home does any multiversal stuff, I keep thinking there is going to be a Spider-Vverse connection. They can make it that style of imagery, which is going to blow mine. I think I don't know if we're going to get him in the main storyline, but I think we're going to get Miles at some point in No Way Home, just because we already got the setup with Aaron. Animated Miles or real miles?

I think we'll get a live action and they just kept it close to the chest as to who, like in the same way that, is it okay to, what, this is Black Friday? I can give an eternal spoiler by now, right? Yeah, I mean, if you haven't seen this, well, I'll just warn people. We haven't seen Eternals yet. Just for the next 10 seconds, just turn this off and then come right back.

So Harry Stiles being introduced as Star Fox. So that whole thing, I think the same thing's going to happen where they just had somebody under wraps and then he's just going to appear before this is over and we're going to be like, oh my God, oh my God. Yeah, I can see that. And I would love if that's a separate little, because again, I have the problem with Tom Holland being still young and Miles being young. Sure.

That mentorship. But I would love a separate Miles universe, which they can do with this movie. I would also love if it's maybe attached to Andrew because I think Andrew would be a great mentor to Miles you do. See, that's the thing that I think that they really could do some brilliant stuff here. If they do the multiverse the right way and if they wind up having,

as everyone thinks, Toby and Andrews show up and they're able because they set it up well. Because this movie, No Way Home is going to be one of the biggest movies of all time as far as box office. Because of that, you have an opportunity if you do it the right way and you've been saying this quick for a while that you can spin off and say, okay, well look, we've already set up this

universe. Toby's going to get the fourth Spider-Man. Yeah. Andrew Garfield's going to get his third Spider-Man, and then we're going to introduce the Miles team because it's all a different universe. And for people going to, wait, what the hell's going on? They go, well, you've got to see that movie. Yeah.

Knowing home to figure this out. Because now there's a thing, as opposed to being so confused with going, wait, what's happening? No, no, no, no. Just go watch that. And that's like a precursor to understand how we get here. One-to-one. And it's literally Sony owns these characters.

Right, right. So they don't have to have these handshake deals. And then you could conceptually have Tom Holland, stay your MCU Spider-Man or not. And then you've got, you know, all these other options. and Spider-Gwen's going to be completely Sony if they want to do it. Literally, you could make five Spider-Man movies.

There's so much in it, and they set up the Sinister Six now where it actually makes sense. Animated Spider-Man's interesting. The freshman year thing. Yeah, that's interesting. That leads up, that leads into Homecoming. Well, if we're going to see the origin.

Is Tom Holland voicing the... That is my question because he didn't voice the what if. So I'm curious. I will see. Okay. Well, I was going to say is the one thing I do know was that Disney still owns the rights to animated Spider-Man, because all of the animated shows have all been on, like, Disney X-D or whatever.

So they own that right. But that's what's curious about Tom Holland being Sony's Spider-Man and that he didn't do the what-if and that's animated. So I got questions. Yeah, a lot of questions. Anyway, so this is a- Not a lawyer. It's messy.

It's the multiverse that is set up very well in this movie, and it could have been confusing, but it even, like, and I wanted to test it. My daughter, my daughter's a very smart girl. She's very smart. But I wanted to see if she was going to pick it up. how she was going to pick it. And she was just like on it real quick. It's incredible. You know that you know the

the narrative device I think that they did that helped and they made it a joke is that they all did their origins. Okay. Let's do this one more time. And because you start off with Chris Pine doing it, which is, which was great. It's the best way I've ever seen that many heroes or villains introduced. Because you look at this movie

I mean, prowler, kingpin, Doc, Doc, there's so much. But yeah. Tombstone. And I think the end of Green Goblin. You had six. You technically had a Sinister Six, they just never worked to God. Goblin's in this one too. At the very beginning, he's the one that almost kills Pine. Oh, right, right, right, right.

So, gobbies, says, goby, but he's like massive and big. So that's the ultimate version of Spider-Man's Green Goblin. Right, right. And so that was the other nod that I really appreciated. So Miles originally comes from the ultimate verse. We kind of talked about it in the other earlier rewatches. So that's the goblin in his universe. That's also, if you notice that clearly Miles's verse is not the one that we're in. Right. Because like when you look, when you look at the random things in New York, Instead of Coca-Cola, it's cola soda.

Instead of Chance the rapper having a three, he has a four. Wait, what's the one of the time. There's like a big billboard in Times Square of like Seth Rogan on a horse. And it's literally just like that's the whole thing. Like literally Lord and Miller hanging out Seth Rogan around there. Like, we'll put you in it. There's like Seth Rogan on a horse and one of the billboards. I didn't even see that.

But for me it was the chance to rapper thing instead of the three as a four. I was like, that's a very subtle. Yeah, right. We're not there. It just shows you just opens it up into a different multiverse. There's also dozens of Stan Lee's in Miles Morales's universe. He's on the trains and the city. Here's a quite a lot too then because I know that you talked about one point.

What I don't, I really don't want to see at all. I know that we have a difference opinion here. I don't want to see any animation in No Way Home at all. I don't want to see Spider-Ham show up. I loved him in this. I loved John Mullaney's version of him. I don't want to see that. But to go and to play into what Winston is saying,

it doesn't mean that you can't take the characters that we see in this movie and tell their story live action. Sure. Right. So it's a matter of, well, yes, this is what happened. And there's a reference to it in the Jake Johnson, and Spider-Man is 40 years old, but it's Jake Johnson. Yeah.

How about this? I don't think that Spider-N-Ham needs to be as active the way he is in this film. But if we literally, if we're traveling to these dimensions or we're seeing them, you just, even if you saw, because like in the trailer we see like the purple lightning and Dr. Strange goes, they're coming. What if you even just saw Spider-Ham in one of the lightnings is a thing? And that's it and that's it. And nothing else.

He might be like, what? And then that's it. I wouldn't ruin the movie for me. Sure. It's just a second you start to Roger Rabbit Something that's supposed to be the most dramatic movie of all time It's supposed to be so dark And there's a freaking cartoon pig running around

I don't think he'll speak I think it might literally just be all of this is happening And then we see one of them It's a kind of fun Look, the same argument that I can make against myself Is that Howard the duck is running around out there And it's a talking duck Right, but it's like

Or even Rocket is it talking about a raccoon But that's a good comparison actually But the difference between the two Is at least there are supposed to be physically there As opposed to a drawing that has come along to speak. Now, photorealistic spiderhead would be terrified.

If it was a different, but if it was a different, but if it was a different, like, universe or set up or tone, rather, then I get it. But like,

from what they're setting up, it's supposed to be serious. But if it's just something in the background, then so be it. But I will, I, if I see it with either one of you guys

and I see him, I know you're going to be, you're going to be, oh, I'm just going to look at you guys, I'm going to go, I'm just, I wouldn't be surprised

if even though you were, we're really in the motion, just, What are you doing? Yeah, it's like Sebastian. Sebastian goes, wait a sir, you're telling me that a cartoon is alive,

turn him into bacon. Put your box. You get a free spider ham. It's the holidays, y'all. You get your own free spider hands. Anyway, so there's a lot of, there's a lot of good in this movie. There's no doubt about it.

in the way that, and I think that, but once again. Number one, I think, pretty cleanly. It's, it's a, it is a very rewatchable movie. And what I also like that we should talk about, and we'll talk about it in a second, but it's going to be the, the relationship between Miles and his dad, which I thought was amazing.

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please call 1-800 gambler. All right. So let's move on into this topic of Miles and his dad. Because to me it was the most, it was the best part of the film. And now he's fastest. I'm going to do that with everyone in this movie. And now she's Hawkeye.

And now he's funny. Well, but he's so good in this too, because I think that the reason why I liked it so much is that he almost plays the role of Gwen Stacy's dad in this in a certain aspect. I mean a cop and authority figure. Doesn't like Spider-Man

has an issue with Spider-Man and then even at the very, I thought it was such a sweet moment when he misjudges then Spider-Man and sees him and then Spider-Man hugs him and he has, it's such you figure it out in that moment that that that smiles? Yeah. Because he definitely says, especially

with the call back to the beginning, I love you, say it. Dad, Say it. Yeah, I think that was his moment. So I think when he goes, I love you. He goes, huh? It just so happens that he sees Kingpin and so he doesn't have a minute to process it. But do you think maybe he's picking up on it earlier in the film?

I don't know. I mean, I think they're going to play that he hasn't. I think in the comics he knows. And in the comics is interesting because he's a cop now, but he was an ex-Shield agent. So there's like some fun back in the day stuff, which is a commentary on the silly stuff with Peter Parker's parents being agents, but actually landing. It's really interesting how Miles is able to kind of, well, we talked about. ultimate universe is able to streamline Peter Parker and make all of this story is great because you have the benefit of hindsight.

What Miles is interesting is you can make storylines that didn't work work. Like the stuff with the parents, you can make work by seeing what didn't and didn't. And then like there's an attempt at the clone saga that doesn't quite work with Miles that just finished. It's not great. There's like, don't touch me and all this kind of stuff and they're all brawling. It's not great. But Miles is a great opportunity to try storylines that might not have worked in the 60s, 70s and today.

And I love this movie's thesis statement of anyone who can wear the mask. because that allows not only the representation we need, but it also allows every single person to feel seen, which is what I always thought Spider-Man represented. Like, no one looks like Superman. No one has the billionaire money of Batman. No one has that. So even beyond Miles Morales,

Spider-Man now represents the every man in a way that he always should have. The underdog that is Spider-Man, that isn't Tobin Gwire, is a fantastic way to feel like you're not a bully when you're taking care of those responsible. That's what they also played very well with Gwen in this movie, Spider-Gwen. It's also shows you how good Haley-Stefell is, playing into that in this universe,

it's almost what they did with Agent Carter and what if, although I think this lands much better than the way they did that. And it's like, okay, this is, it was actually her that got bit by the spider. It was her that did this, and she plays it really well, and they work together as a team. And that's also what I liked with the dynamic of Jake Johnson, Spider-Man. He serves as like the Ned to Miles Morales in this. You know, and she kind of, and the three of them have this relationship,

or it's even Ned meets Tony Stark is kind of what it is. Yeah. It's like Ned meets Tony Stark. I mean, Ned in the fact that he's just got a best friend that he plays with. But like it's, there is no best friend. It almost.

Harry, there's nobody. No, no, no, I get that. I'm trying to think of like a good example. But it's the,

it's the, oh, it's, it's creed. It's literally, it's the idea of like, well, I'm kind of retired,

like I'll help you through this and, you know what I mean? It gives me those kind of vibes. And it finds your energy again. Like you see the purpose of it. You grow as a character. All of a sudden, like, after, especially when he's afraid of Miles getting killed and whatnot, but then when Miles's like, I got this and he's like, wow, okay, I actually kind of help this.

Maybe I can get my life together too, and he goes back and finds Mary Jane at the end. Which is beautiful. I love all the MJ stuff. I mean, next is Indyah. I think that portrayal of MJ is so strong and it really captures the character so much more quickly than even the same rainy movies. And I also really dig the dynamic of like Spider-Gwen's Peter Parker is the lizard in the comic book.

So I love the idea that in these multiverses, we can have. familiar characters and that is how they could do no way home they could they could have i mean i'm not saying this is going to happen but they could have a spider-gwen movie where toby mcoyer spider-man's the lizard they could have cameos from andrew garfield playing like that universe's thing and that'd be fascinating i think it would be but i also think it's a lot to ask of audiences who aren't as enriched in this lore as like you and i am right now which i normally have not been right so like i only from hearing you guys like there's certain things that i i think that would take me a bit to realize like oh wait so he's i don't i never really like the idea of like uh tobiguire being

Uncle Ben. Never really like that idea because it's too, it's too disruptive, I think, as far as a casual viewer again. And the attachment. I think. Especially if you're going to use them again. But while I understand that,

I think the only thing that I would say in this regard, this isn't like we're starting out with Spider-Man now and we're just trying to learn about them. So giving too much is too much. I think because as we've done with these rewatches, as we just did with the MCU, you have had years to go there. So as long as you do it in a way,

so like Black Panther, for example, when it gets introduced. There's a lot of tie-ins to the MCU, but as long as you focus on what is important in that movie or Shang-Chi, for example, you can do it. You can still play and have a, wait, Toby, wasn't he, oh, I guess it's the multiverse thing. And those stunt castings are fun

because it gives the audience a playful thing and it doesn't have to mess up continuity because it's new continuity. Like, I've been pitching for eight years doing Deadpool kills the Fox universe before when Deadpool was announced, when Deadpool 1 was announced, then it was like a year later,

started the Disney buying Fox rumors. I was like, oh, fold them in before Deadpool 2 and have Deadpool kill every character that was in Fox. So Chris Evans comes back. You think it's Cap, but it's Human Torch. You have, you have Nicholas Cage show up and he turns a ghost around. And then Deadpool kills all of those characters. And then that's the way he's the one that's breaking the fourth wall in the Marvel universe because he knows, like, there was actually another

universe of Marvel characters and I killed them all. And that way you clean up continuity. You've got stun casting. Now you can do that in a positive way with Spider-Verse. You can have Spider-Man bopping around and seeing all these other characters. And you get those moments of like, oh, I get that joke. and then you feel like you got the Easter egg. So I think that's an option with live action Spider-Verse. Well, what I do think that ties into what will tie from this into No Way Home is the fact,

just the idea itself of the multiverse and the fact that this movie found it out before Tom Holland did. So Miles Morales and everybody else, this has happened already. And this should tie into continuity that all of that stuff that, oh yeah, you guys are going through this now. That's cute. Yeah. We did this already. Yeah. And we actually had this kind of bad.

already. Maybe there's advice that they can give. I don't know. Probably not. But it's just like, just the idea that we know that it has connected, the fact that they are with this movie already making all of the Sony stuff canon with it inside the MCU. So this is essentially canon as well. You know what I kind of want to be honest with you? I kind of want Jake Johnson live action as Peter B. Parker. I didn't, I didn't hear that part. I said before. Yeah. I said like when he like, so there's a there's a possibility because if they're not going to be animated, yeah. What if when they show, like I see what you're saying. I don't think I understood. what you were saying. I got what you're saying that they were, but I thought you met the animated version. You're saying, I'm saying, let Jake come in with the sweatpants and be like, oh, y'all are.

And he's like, he's been, he's been through this already. Yeah. Okay. Now I get you. Yeah. Nicholas Cage could be in the, in the, in the other old timey 30s. Yeah. He would eat that up. You imagine Nicholas Cage. By the way, Rubik's Cube stuff. And credit. Dude, it's amazing. I'm taking this with me. Is it purple. Smells like gray. He was great in this for all. Mullaney was great. We don't, we don't talk enough about the anime version also, which was Spider. Penny Parker. Yeah. She was great too. I mean, the idea that they put

The Gerard Way comic. Yeah. Is that what it was? Umbracad. Had you read it? Oh yeah. Yeah. Okay. It's, it's really interesting is the Spiderverse comic was like... You must have lost your mind during this movie. Dude, it was like my whole life came together. I was like, how is this happening for me? The only one I didn't know was Penny. I knew everybody else. She's in one

issue and it's half an issue. It's insane. Like, it's one of those comics where the front is one story and the back's the other story. And it's a Gerard Way comic where they were like, hey, you made Umbrella Academy. You seem to like comic books. Make the craziest Spider-Man. I was like, how is she on screen? Like, it's the most obscure.

So it's probably the most I've ever been in a theater. And we did, there was a collider screening. Did you go to that? Yes. There was a collider screening where we saw it the second audience ever. So I got to be the first person to tell Lord and Miller Sinkhevich Kingpin. And that meant the world to me because they were like, you got it. And I was like, oh, I got it.

That whole movie watching it with like 40 of us. It wasn't a lot of us. I've never felt like more like someone went, hey, we made this for you. And now you're going to meet the people that made this for you. And I didn't know anyone would get it. I want to jump off that part there because this does tie, everything ties back into Star Wars for me. But this,

no, but this ties into why I get so frustrated when I hear certain things, like if certain creative choices, people who make creative choices think that things are too inside baseball for people that have never transferred over to the big screen, that people won't understand it because it's just for those potential readers and stuff, right? And then how they never go and they don't transfer books and they don't do these things

and these stories. And then you look at something like this. And you can do it. Real quick. So when you look at something like this and when you look at the fact that like when you're geeking out about these things and you say to Lord and Miller, hey, you did this and they go, you get it. You get it. It doesn't hurt you. It doesn't hurt me.

Right. And it doesn't make me go, oh, I'm lost. You can take and adapt things and take stuff that people love. And you get one of two things. Either you really get people excited like yourself. Yeah. Or you bring new people in or it goes right over there. You didn't care about Donald Glover's license plate.

I did. Didn't affect you. Right. Right. Right. Like, what's the license plate? Do you know why that? that works, you just tell a good goddamn story.

They focused on that first. So I use this for like Lost Stars to me is one of the best books in Star Wars history. Yeah. And it ties in the original trilogy in a way that like is doesn't bring in any, let me, you know, Tarkin shows up for whatever it too, but it's like, but it's not like a cameo. Yeah. But it's really about, it's a love story inside of it. And it's brilliant.

Rumor, don't know how true it is, heard that they were working on doing it as either a series or movies. And it was scrap because it was a book, nobody would care. Wrong. That's the same thing that you're talking about. It's there which Iron Man 1 and Iron Man 2. In Iron Man 1 in the background of one scene as a half-finished Captain America

Shield. That was one of our first Easter eggs. Everyone lost their mind. It was the internet sensation. The problem was an Iron Man 2. They then made it a joke and he wedged that into a pit of technology to make that thing work. You went from being like, oh, that's subtle and interesting to like, this is an Easter egg! And they're literally

crammed it at her faces literally in that movie. But also it doesn't make sense once you got to the first Avenger because he has it back in the 20s. Yeah, and it's also frozen with him. Why would he get like, that's when you lose it is like you throw that stuff on. And the characters are really flushed out. Who do you think of the best hygiene

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who spent $6,000 in dental work this year, brush your teeth. I was really bad at by brushing my teeth for years. I also dated three hippies in a row, and they were very like anti-fluoride pro charcoal, so I kind of like broke my teeth with charcoal because you wear away the enamel, and

Quip is slowly getting my mouth back after spending thousand, I put a used ton to my mouth this year. Didn't have it. There's a multiverse where you got to just never use charcoal. I'll tell you that. Lesson learned, folks. All right.

This is, I mean, the other thing is this movie is short. It's about an hour and a half. It goes, great. It goes quick, in and out. The second one, does the second one have to do? Is there any repercussions from No Way Home that play into the second one? Do you think at all?

Or Lord Miller's like, we don't want to deal with anything. Just let us do our own thing. I assume they're going to do their own thing. That's what I would assume. It depends. Yeah. If we see anything in No Way home, I do think it affects it. If we do not get any references from No Way Home, then I think they're doing their own thing.

I think Sony's going to play. Like, I think they want to keep everything like Sony. This is exclusively Sony. This isn't Sony in association with Marvel, I don't think. So it does give the opportunity to like, hey, we did this thing with Marvel. Let's benefit over here by having it tie in. I just don't know how much No Way Home will have the space to set something up. Yeah.

Because I could see a flash. Actually, maybe that's it. Maybe a flash happens with one of the characters. And then that scene is in the sequel. So we go like, oh, I saw this first. a second. That's what I would do personally. Yeah. No, no, that makes sense. I mean, again, you can't, it's just a trailer. So, like, I already was trying to, like, put piece together, like, uh, again, quick, quickie spoiler for Venom, let there be carnage, but we talked about it

previously at the end of that film. You see them see the same broadcast of Peter getting his identity revealed from, uh, J.K. Simmons. So I'm even curious how that's going to play in no way home to be honest with you. So there's a lot going on already. And that's how I want to end today, because we are, I mean, there's anything else as far as into the Spider-Burst or really need to hit that, because we hit a lot of the stuff with the uncle. The last thing is, I think that this is the best developed Spider-Man figuring it out. I know he has mentors to help him, but even the idea of like he goes to try and do the jump, he's like, nope, and walks right back down the stairs.

Yeah, that's funny. The fact that he's like, come on, man, you get the best way to learn is just by doing it. And he tries to use the thing and he can't. He's like, run. He's like, you got a swing or you're going to die. Yeah. And then, like, eventually he gets to that place because he says. still can't control his individual powers of camo and the venom blast,

um, that when he's like, I have to do this or they're going to die, that he makes his suit and then he just does the leap of faith. Yeah. And then all of a sudden he's swinging and he's doing the damn thing. The leap of faith song, man. Every time that it gets you.

Well, even when Jay Johnson first shows up and he's bonking his head around, and, and that line by the cop, he's, uh, Spider-Man dragging around a corpse and is it? It's such a funny movie. Also, bagel. The bagel moment.

The bagel movie. The bagel. Oh, dude, dude, dude. When he, when he's like, Okay, so here's the plan. We sneak in. It looks like the comic again. We sneak in.

We do the thing. I hack the computer. It's not really hacking if you know the pad. No, no, no, don't worry about that. I hack in. I get the thing. I pick out a bagel and we get out of there. And they're, again, running.

And the visual word bagel when it bongs the head gets me every time. Dude. And then they get the computer and they're sprinting for their lives. And then they're stopped. And it's all the scientists just sitting there eating lunch. And he goes, ooh, let me pick out to my bagel. And they go, Spider-Man. Everybody pulls out a gun.

He's like, oh, crap. Like, oh. Yeah, and I'll tell you, from someone I remember working at the Bachelor, the day that everyone looked forward to the most was bagel Wednesday. Oh, wow. And like, so when that happened, I was just like, yeah, yeah. I know this. I know this corporate one.

If someone takes an extra bagel or something, yeah, you, yeah, you. I just love the Stanley cameos on my favorites of all Stanley cameos. Well, especially with the no refunds and he's just giving that cheesy ass, like, it always fits eventually because it's a great moral lesson and it's snarky. Yeah. I also think it's, uh, it's kind of the anti-Robin problem in the Batman comics. Like in the Batman comics, it's, Batman and family and there's just way too many Robbins

and it's really messy and I was like do I want five Spider-Men and then this movie's like no you do it plays it well it really balances a family and it's better than some of the comics and that's what we're going to talk about to end the show because we're because we're going to be this for those people maybe you just stumbled upon this episode we did a full rewatch of the in every Spider-Man movie

from the three Ramees to the two Andrew Garfield to the three or excuse me the two previous Tom Holland ones two plus leading into now No Way Home, and that's why we wanted to do this. We are going to be doing a spoiler-heavy discussion of No Way Home. I'll be doing a separate review of that, obviously, too, but we're going to be doing a full review of the three of us,

a discussion on it. So we wanted to kind of lead up, and we'll talk about just a few more things as we are right around the corner. By the time, like I said, it's coming on on Thanksgiving. So we have, like, what, two weeks before the movie comes out? That's the second week to December right? Yeah, and we'll also be doing rewatch as a Matrix because that also comes out pretty soon.

So, okay, before, let's start, let's start talking about No Way Home then, unless there's anything else you guys want to talk about with. I think that it is, last thought total is I think that more animated films can learn a lesson just in general about trusting your audience. Because this movie, especially following this up with the Mitchells, Mitchell's versus the machines, it shows that like you don't have to make it for kids or adults, much like comic books, you can just make it for audiences and you get what you want out of it. If more animated films trusted their audience, I think the medium of animation wouldn't be seen as a genre. I agree with the point. That's my previous point.

I don't think it just needs to be something that just animated pays attention to. I think it's just like Winston said. It's story. If you have a good story, trust in it, because if the good story worked in a comic book, if the good story worked in a video game, if the good story worked in a book,

if you do it the right way, it doesn't necessarily mean it's going to work. But if you do it the right way, I always use the example. But it really bothers me that the Darth Bain novels haven't been made until like anything. Because there's such great stories. Not even touch. At least for now.

And then lean into your medium. So those books, you can have longer conversations because it's a book. But then when you go to animation, for example, the stylistic stuff like this, you can have five different universes that are feeling jarred. When you go into live action, you can have conversations with MJ that feel like. But that's a good point though, too, because this movie we're talking about because with the animation, it's an hour and a half. You can't do it two and a half hour, two 45. you'll lose people into 245 animated. It'll be too hard.

I mean, not the hardcore animated fans, 100%. You're going to stick through it. But this reason this movie was so successful is because it did cater to all audiences and those audiences were able to sit through an hour and a half, do it, but you can't do that with No Way Home. I agree.

And I certainly hope, and then we got to get to the No Way Home Talk because I know we've got out of here soon. But I hope because the one thing that really sucked about this film was they did not hit the box office that they deserved. Not as good as a movie. They did not. It did okay.

But like this got an Oscar and also should have gotten a best picture nom, not a best animation. It should have gotten both. Are you not sure? Yes. It did okay. That was the thing. It ended up being, not a flop per se, but they did not do that well. But it wasn't a Spider-Man movie, numbers, not at all.

That being said, like this really is, it deserved the Oscar for animated, but it deserved at least a nom for picture. I agree with you. And that might have gotten it a little bit more. Because if people see that it got nominated outside of its medium, that might have pushed something. I agree. Well, because a lot of people are like, like, oh, Toy Story, you know, God, you know, whatever.

We're starting to get some, because it's, like, for kids, but. I don't know. This movie made almost $400 million worldwide, and it's an animated film that did not cost. The difference is, like, it didn't, like you said, Spider-Man movies normally, like, but those movies cost, like $100, $200 million to make. This is not cost that to me. I understand that. I'm saying that, like, as of after winning the Oscar, because, you know, they always

re-released the stuff after they win Oscars, that bumped it up. When it initially came out, it was not doing numbers. So it cost 90, which means with advertising, it probably was about a buck 80. So it made 190 domestic. Yeah. And then plus international, another 180. We made it $400 million. It was in the black domestic, so all international is profit.

That's actually commendable. Yeah. So it made, I'm with you, but I wanted to. I know that you wanted to be this massive thing, but also whether or not you want to argue or not, I agree with everybody, the animation is for everyone. But it is still associated by a lot of people as for children, which is not. And it's still commendable. do four times what it costs.

Pay off its marketing. $400 million for an animated movie. That's not Pixar. Sure. That's not, you know, it's, that's, that's, that's good. That's really good. That's really good. I see both sides of it because I, I want the Spider-Man numbers, but I also see the medium thing with the public.

Hopefully the next one now that we've got it out there, maybe Spider-Verse 2 will get those Spidey numbers. And remember, you're only, I mean, $400 million. You're like, a billion is not something that is happened. It doesn't happen. It's happened like 15 times. It was only because it happened so. It was happening a lot in a row.

We had a freak thing that happened, like, Fast and Furious. And all these movies started making a billion dollars. And everybody was like, oh, it's easy to make a billion dollars. It's a time, now, especially after the pandemic. Well, now to the pandemic, God help you. But, like, there was, there was a period of time when Jurassic World came back. Everything was making a billion. Yeah, it was like three years.

Right, right. Everything was not going to, all the Disney live action remakes, they were all clearing a billion. All right. So let's, let's get into this, we're going to get out of here. And everybody's going to eat their food and eat their gravy. So this was, this trailer drops. We all enjoyed watching it. And now, is there anything that we think

After watching all of these movies now, after watching everything, after seeing the trailers now, anything that we thought beforehand That we don't think anymore, that we do think even more? I think Dr. Octopus becomes good. I think that Dr. Strange is bad. I think that... Do you think it's the what-if one?

I think it's the what-if one because I think the line in the trailer is going to be intentionally misleading that they're all coming in. I think that's him talking to villains about Spider-Man's coming in. I think it's an intentional bait-and-switch. I think also that Electro starts out blue and turns into the more comic accurate Electro that we get.

I think that I thought that Lizard was only going to be a cameo. He looks to be much more of a thing, but I don't know if that's our... I think Lizard gets punched in the face by one of the other things. I keep saying he sneezed because I want Sony to love me like they do.

It looks like he sneezes. I think... And lastly, I think... It's Miles, bro. It's Miles. He's camouflage punching. It's Miles. That's right. He sneezed. I also think that Sandman might not be

the Sandman we think it is. I think he might stay Mummy Sandman or Thomas Hayden Church is trapped in a way, but I don't know if that's our Samman. I think it's a different Saman, yeah. Yeah, so those are my new thoughts upon rewatching, watching that. Sure.

My thought process is that Jay was saying that he thinks that it's the switch, so that it's the Doc Ack from Andrew that we see in this movie, not the Toby one and then all that. But the only reason why I disagree is because he was essentially saying that it was a flip for all of the villains. Why I don't agree with that is because we,

had a Green Goblin or a Norman Osborne that died in Andrew's universe. So all of a sudden, Willem Defoe comes, that doesn't make logical sense in that regard. I hear that they pulled right before their moment of death. And they mentioned death in the trailer. Right, he does, that they all, their fate was they all died at fighting Spider-Man. And again, that's not true, but you also, the Sandman didn't die. Right.

And neither did that. And lizard. Yeah. And lizard didn't. But here's what you also got to realize that this goes back to the same conversation of not everyone is as locked in as everybody else. Sure. If you, if for casual movie fans who know the Spider-Man movies, Toby McGuire, if you're like, well, no, actually, it's, it's, he actually was in Andrew Garvilly.

No, it wasn't. You're confusing the audience right on. So there's no way that that happens. It's got to, it's going to definitely be Docok, but what we saw in that Spider-Man too that we just watched recently is that he did have, he still has good in him. Like it happens, he helps Peter at the end. I think the nanotech that we see in the trailer fixes the, the, the neural link that makes him control the things. I think he's

I don't think he's part of this whole thing. I think he's helping. There's a shot. There's a quick shot when Electro becomes like the comic accurate electric and he shoots. It looks like he hits Doc Ock. Okay. So I think that Doc Ock is on the side of the spiders. I think he is too. I think he's working with Tom Holland and the kids.

Yeah. And I think that that's why that whole thing is you know, it starts out with them imprisoning him, whatever. And then they let him out. He gets the thing out of his head and he comes to and he's helpful. And he's going to, and that's why because we all love Alfa Milina. Right. So it's going to paint us again when he dies again, but he's going to paint us this time that he's,

he's fighting on the right side. Dude, the fact that they're teasing that Gwen Stacy death was in Daya, I was about to flip my kid. I was like, don't you dare. Well, that everyone is,

everyone is speculating that that hand that comes in that. That's Andrew Garfield. For his redemption. But I can't imagine they, but I think that that's how they introduce Andrew. I don't think that it just comes in random, where he'd are. I think that Tom is like,

no, and he can't get to her. And then Andrew's hand catch him. her and that's how we're like, oh, here he is. I've heard that a lot. I think it's not that. I think it's Tom actualizing that he's the ultimate Spider-Man by being able to save her. I think if you have, because it's mirroring the Andrew thing.

Andrew wasn't able to save her. If you have Tom be able to save her, that's like this is our universe of Spider-Man. He did, but no one else has done. Right. I mean, look, and then we have, from what the leaks and the rumors and all that stuff, too, is that the three of them look like they're going to be fighting together. And it looks like the fact that they're going to fight together in the, the sneezing.

So, so, so. Here's the question. Here's the question. Who do we think is the sixth? Because again, we got the teasing of venom. So there's the potential of that. Scorpion. I think it could be Scorpion.

We also have Volcher kind of sitting around potentially. I tell you how proud of myself that I am. Dude, I am proud of you. The fact that you got both of these, the deep dive worked for you, you got it up here. Because I look at it. Because in my head there was like the little voice. Say, scorpion.

I was a scorpion. Oh, yeah. I know this. How good does that feel? Instead, like, I hear that. I think Easter eggs are dope because that, you got that experience. It's not going to hurt somebody else like you just said. Scorpion.

But trying to figure out who number six is, because it's clear of the sinister six is happening. We have a number of people as options. We have Venom, Vulture, Scorpion. Mysterio's. I think Mysterio is the fifth. I think you've seen Mysterio's going to be. Because you keep saying that Doc Ock is good. So you're not including him as part of the six.

Exactly. So I think Scorpion and Volture are the six. And I think Venom's post credit. That's what I was just going to ask. I think that as well, especially even not seeing the, post-credit scene that I've heard about everything, right? Just because if they're setting you up in this post-credit scene that he's seen this thing with Tom Holland revealed, why are they setting that up if they're not going to pay it off at all?

And that was my only thing where I think that he has more of a thing than a post-credit. Like, why would you, again, why would you introduce him at the end of that film? To not, you know what I'm saying? I just can't imagine putting Venom in as a side note. I think you put him in a post-credit. I think you put, make it a moment. Yeah, I think you post-credit and you said, and then Venom 3 or Spider-Man. You set Tom Holland to come up into this third battle.

Maybe that's the, maybe because again, portals are opening, maybe Venom does see him and then there's a fight with Venom and he kicks him back through a portal. So he's not in the final battle, but there's some sort of the... Do we think the multiverse is going to be an absolute mess after this and that's why into the multiverse?

Yeah, well, that's what means. Do you think that that's what happens? Do you think that we're going to... Oh yeah, I think this is... Wanda Vision, I think this and WandaVision happens simultaneously with Loki. I think timeline-wise, WandaVision, Loki, Spider-Man, all the exact same time,

all lead to Dr. Strange 2. I think Dr. Strange 2 is the culmination of these three giant events. And then I think the fallout of Dr. Strange 2 leads to Loki season 2 and Ant Man Quantumania. So I think that's the path. I think Loki has to happen first. And the only reason why is, remember, they've been pruning all those other timelines.

So once the TVA is now defunct, then this spell happens. And that only for, because they wouldn't have. The time is, time is for that show is like infinite. It can happen at anything. Well, I also agree. But that's what I'm saying before the point of being able to use the spell to open that up. I think that Loki has to happen where it's like no one is pruning anymore.

Right, right. So, causes more madness. So I think it's, I don't think they can squeeze it in before Doc Strange, though. What do you mean? Like the timeline wise of release, I don't think you can have Loki season two exist before.

That's not what I'm saying. At the end of Loki 1, yeah. Killing he who remains is what allowed, the TVA stops and the pruning isn't happening anymore. So you're saying Loki has happened before Wanda Vision and Spider-Man. And then WandaVision and Spider-Man happened around the same time. I hear you.

I hear you. Yeah. So just in our current continuity. Loki's already happened. And then, okay, I see you. Because there was no, he said it. There was a multiverse. I stopped that shit.

I still think there's some hijinks with far from home. Timeline-wise. I still think there's something going on with Jake knowing about the multiverse. I think it was meant to be snarky. Because there's also a great moment where Jake goes like, call me Mysterio. And it's like a joke. Yeah. I think there's also an element of like, it's a multiverse.

Like I think he knows something for real. He really knows about the multiverse. And there's also a moment with, um, uh, in that movie. Oh, J.K. Simmons. There's something with J.K. Simmons. Like, I don't know what it is, but I feel like those two things... In what? In what? Yeah, that's a good question.

Yeah. What's he smiling at? He's in the Venom universe as well as this universe. What if the debate and switch and the third universe? He's in the Venom universe because they see the... Right. What if that is a different element? But him and...

But him and the Venom universe doesn't... Because if they see that scene from... They see that scene from the end of Far From Far From... Right. Doesn't that just put them in the MCU? It does now. Right. But we don't know if there was another Joan in the Venom universe.

Right. Like there's just so many questions with Lennem without sticking. And there's so many questions. And look, we are only, we are only a few weeks away, ladies and gentlemen, from this movie. And this was a series that we had a lot of fun doing. And so much so that we're, you know, obviously we did the whole, we finished all the Star Wars ones. We finished all the Spider-Man ones. Matrix is next.

We're going to be doing Batman. There's so much that we're going to be doing. So excited to be doing all this stuff. And so excited that you guys did this with us. And thank Koi and Winston. Guys, there's a pleasure doing this series with you. so much so that we're going to be doing more stuff together. Not only will we be doing the Batman stuff.

When we're not doing rewatches, the three of us will do some more big thing episodes and talk about some other stuff going on. And obviously, no way home, we'll be doing our full spoiler discussion. But thank you guys so much for joining me. It was a great series. I'm sad to see this one end, but there's more stuff coming up. So thank you, everybody. Make sure, by the way, if you haven't already, please subscribe to this channel.

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Bring it back. I should bring it back. Just real fast. Okay, let me go, I wrote mine down. Well, why don't we, you want to do it in the beginning of our... Oh, and the beginning of the story. All right. Take us away.

Take us away. Time for our 90 Spider-Man animated series rewatch. Before we get into it. All right, guys, thank you so very much for joining us. Enjoy your day. We miss you. We love you. Peace out.

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