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I'm pretty sure we're talking about Spider-Man. It's Amazing Spider-Man, too. It didn't start off that way in pre-production, but we are talking about Amazing Spider-Man, too. Thank you so much for joining us on The Big Thing. If you're listening on podcasts, thank you very much. Please make sure that you are leaving a rate, review, all that good stuff for Apple Podcasts, Spotify, whatever it might be. Thank you for doing that. If you are watching on the YouTube, please also do that.

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We're leading up to Spider-Man No Way Home. Lots of stuff coming out to that movie. I mean, hell, even Morbius just came out, and that kind of ties into, we think, anyway. with No Way Home. So how does this movie, if at all, Amazing Spider-Man 2? We know, there is some stuff, and we're going to talk about that myself, Winston Marshall. Coyce and Drew.

It's going to be a talk. I'll tell you that, because there's some interesting stuff that I found myself with this movie. And it's still taking me three days to watch The Last Jedi. I'll tell you that. Couldn't even get through the intro. Couldn't do it. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. Amazing Spider-Man 2.

It's the big. Okay. Amazing. Spider-R-Man, too. Thanks for joining us, everybody. So happy for all the responses we've been getting on this rewatch series, whether it is the Star Wars series. And this one, I don't know, guys.

People like us together. I don't know if you know that. I saw some comments. Everybody's like, my God, this is the greatest trio. You should re-watch everything. Yeah, I saw some weird and deep cuts, too. Like some, like, go back and watch, like, Indiana Jones. I'm like, what is the correlation?

Okay. I need you both not to hit me. You never seen... Have you never seen an Indian? I kind of... You know what, though? I kind of like that, though. I kind of like, yeah, I like it because I know that you'll watch it.

Yeah, no, no, of course, I will. So... It's not like Braveheart where I'm worried you just won't experience. I'll watch Braveheart. You're just got to tell me where I can watch Braveheart. Okay. I'll lend it to you. Okay, then I'll probably have like seven copies.

Yeah, I imagine DVD, Blu-ray, PHS. Seriously. Laser disk. What I'll say before we get into Amazing Spider-Ring, too. I feel that you will love Raiders. Okay. I think you're going to hate Temple of Doom. Okay.

I really like Temple of Tomb. But it's dated. It's a piece of time. It's dated and it doesn't play the same way. But I love it. You might like it because of the campiness. If you go in that way, you'll love Last Crusade. Okay.

And you'll think the last one's a pile of farts on wheels. Wasn't that the whole like South Park thing? They're raping him and they're like. Yeah. But okay, but that's not this. This is some week for me. I'll tell you that. Amazing Spider-Man 2, Last Jedi, all in one shot.

I will say I watched The Amazing Spider-Man 2 in one sitting. As of today, I'm around 30 minutes in. It's taking me two days to watch the last day. So I will finish it up. But we are talking about the Amazing Spider-Man 2. Andrew Garfield, Mark Webb directs this one. You know what's funny? The first thing I'll say about this movie,

and I are going to be the same page, Winston. Well, maybe not this part of it, but it's a bad movie. There's no doubt. It's a bad movie. And I think very similar to Spider-Man 3, the Ramey one, there's a lot in here that has potential. There's a lot in here that I thought was good. I thought the first 45 minutes of this movie was actually really good.

and then it just kind of goes off the rails. The music in this movie for Mark Webb, really bad. It's insane. It's really bad. It's some of the worst I've ever. It's Hans Zimmer and something six. I'm not talking score. Yeah.

I'm not talking score. I'm talking soundtrack. And the score. Yeah, because the sound, the score itself is kind of obsolete. It's so cartoonish. It's just coming. It is.

There's voices in it. Yeah. That's bad. He's high to you. But there's a scene when he's doing all the research and he's figure something out. And there's that, there's a song that comes on. It's like a song from like 2012.

That popular song that comes out. And it's like, I'm thinking of my head, if you use score here, way more effective. But he's doing that, what's the movie? 500 days of summer one. Oh,

I thought he was just going 90s, 90s rom-com. Like, but it is summer like master. It is. Right. And that's his style, but it didn't work for the scene.

There's a lot and he's really good at music. The music in this, the soundtrack was very distracting. And as if you've been following me, you know, like music is very important to me in these films and it was very jarring throughout the entire thing okay so i'm i already i already sense i can sense the disturbance in the force as we're talking about all the star wars uh you know is beforehand jargon people are gonna people are gonna them bas me for

this and i really don't give a flying fuck there's my one yeah um he says one no let's so so so so so my so my so my order i know i'm gonna genuinely try yeah so my order honestly at this point after watching this spider man two okay the amazing Spider-Man 2 out of all the amazing Spider-Man Spider-Man Spider-Man 3 of what we've watched so far I really like that there are a lot of issues here there are a lot of issues

but you enjoy watching as far as like actual story like or actual filmmaking it would fall a lot farther down yeah the parent stuff works better in this one than it does in the first but they already set it up I know it's still bad still rough but they set it up yes I loved Harry until he became the goblin and then that went off the rails same yep I actually

actually was totally fine with the motivations of Electro, this dude that's been shed on his entire life and now the... And we're in enigma, you mean? Question, question, question. I mean, right, yeah. But I actually don't hate where they go with it. I think maybe Jamie was, I know what they were trying to go for. I don't know if that was the best casting choice, but I don't hate the motivations behind

the character. And to be honest with you, the full driving force of this story is Pete and Gwen. Which is the best part of the whole. It's so well. It honestly, for a lot of the flaws, disappear because I found myself honestly, even though I'm like, God, this goblin moment is so crappy.

But I still found myself emotionally drawn when she dies. I don't disagree with that. I don't disagree that I was attached to the movie and the characters, but there was a lot of stuff. I'm going, I just get through this part, get through this part. Okay, we're back. We're back because they open with the rhino for God's sakes.

And Paul Giamati is one of my favorite actors of all time. He is in Batman, Robin. He's got bat nipples on his random. He is a hundred. Come on, Spidey. Come on and catch me.

It's so bad. I hated the Mech at the end too. Both ends that he's... The little kid coming out and it's... Well, I don't mind the little kid. That taps, it's weird to me that Spidey doesn't have to come in and save the child. The fact that the fact that the rider doesn't go,

move child and then starts shooting guns or whatever. Whatever he does. That's weird. That's what I mean. It's the way that it's everything in this movie comes down to the way everything is executed. Yeah. It's not the basis of the story itself. I mean, sure, does Spider-Man 3 and this movie share the same problem that there's too much going on?

Yes, between the trying to get the Sinister 6 set up and then Harry. And you could have developed a whole movie with just Harry and the Goblin and this one would have been way more interesting. Yeah. And so my order is not quite, I don't love it as much as you, which is not surprising, but that's impressive. I love that. I love when people get stuff out of movies. So this to me is actually a full letter grade up from where I remember. It's a lot better than I remember.

I've had some time to heal. It is definitely problematic in the fact that it doesn't know what tone it wants to be. Because sometimes it's a beautiful rom-com. Sometimes it's a teen film. Sometimes it's the coming of age film, which is weird for a sequel. Sometimes Jamie Fox is in another universe. And a lot of it works when you put it all together, but so much doesn't, it's hard to actually appreciate the pieces that do work.

Like you're saying, endure this scene, endure to the scene. But what it really, really, really does and what, a Spider-Man movie needs to do is it shows me that Andrew Garfield is the better Spider-Man by such a large margin. It is such a large... Do you not like Toby McGuire's...

I feel like I can't now go back and watch the Toby's, having realized how much I love Andrew again. I'm looking forward to getting to the MCU because I am now at that point where I think Andrew is my favorite Spider-Man. I'm so team Garfield. Because like, honestly, there are so many things here.

You're talking about Pete Peter Parker where he's that nerd, but he finally found his balance even with his quips. It seemed like he was being like a teenage asshole in the last one. Which in the comics he starts out as people forget. He's kind of a prick in the Dickko era. Like Stanley Dickko wrote him as a guy that was like, he's pushed down so far. He like lashes out sometimes.

And people forget that he always hasn't been the nicest guy. The balance here was insane. I honestly can't remember some of the jokes because I watched this like days ago. But some of the like just the straight up Spider-Man quips, I'm like, that is exactly how. he would do that. They had comedy writers write it. They brought in a panel of comedy writers to write his quips and punch up the script.

They only touch that stuff. And that's how he would perceive himself. Once you put on the mask, it is like a comedy writer writing you because the whole point is that he's got a freedom to it. This is the first time I felt like Peter Parker and Spider-Man had different humor. And I feel like they should. Yes. I agree also that.

God damn is a visually good. I think, yeah, I think that Garfield is great. Yeah. I think, and I still think it's both Peter and Spider-Man, he's really good. but I think the direction for him of Peter is still wrong, in my personal opinion, because I always look at one of my favorite movies of all time is a 90s movie called Pump Up the Volume with Christian Slater. And it's a great movie.

So I haven't seen indie, but I have somehow seen Pump Up the Wall. It's a great movie. And the reason I bring that up is because, so the character, Mark, who is the character's name, it's a very kind of awkward teen and doesn't know how to really get his voice out and doesn't know. But when he turns that radio on, he's happy Harry Hard on, right? And he, he just, there's something about that microphone that allows him to be this other character and this, that the shield of awkwardness comes down. Yeah. He's just, boom.

That to me is what Peter Parker is. Peter Parker is awkward. It's in there, right? Like, you might see snippets of it. Sure. But to me, the Garfield, Peter Parker, he's the same. But my only pushback on that, and I can give you that argument in the first one. is that the older Peter gets,

and the more he becomes a vet at this, Spider-Man bleeds a little bit into Peter Parker. Yeah. He starts to be... The Oz Corp scene, the fight. Yeah, exactly. That humor and, like, to me, that felt like you get to see both. There's, exactly.

So there is, there is definitely a moment where Peter begins to grow up. And so he still has his nerdiness. He still has his awkwardness. Yeah. But he grows out of it. I mean, I get it. I guess because it was, because it wasn't really, yeah, it wasn't really clear in the first one.

Right. That was the coming of age thing that's weird to me. It's just a tonal thing where it would work if they leaned into it. Instead, they like touch it. Right. There are none of those basketball moments, though, in this one. No, which is beautiful. Which is great.

But it's just the more, the difference. Well, the rhino mech. Yeah, but even that, but even that is just a bad, it's just a different tone. I think Koi's 100% right. There's four different tones in this. And I feel like that was the studio going, we want a cartoon. We want a teen film. We want it.

And then the script comes out and it feels like it. But what's interesting is every time that he's swinging around a Spider-Man, nothing else matters. And it's kind of like the game. Like when you're playing the video game, sometimes you don't want to fight guys. You just want to swing around. There are moments in this where I'm like,

I could watch this for 20 minutes straight. Just watching him swing. Because it's the best Spider-Man we've seen. I agree with that. And the other thing that is just, when stuff really works in this movie, it really works. Like the Gwen stuff is just,

their chemistry is unbelievable. It's insane. It makes me sad they broke up. Yeah, when you're watching what happens in the actual movie with them, like their whole storyline, that whole thing, with that Captain Stacy was like,

don't get her involved in this man. To keep seeing the hallucinations. That's why we thought he was in the second. Remember we all were like, wait, isn't he in the second one? He is. He is.

And there's, that plays great. And there's two sides of this. And I want to go back to what we said. Like, yes, you could have done a full movie with Harry. Yeah. And it would have been fine.

That could have been number four. This one could have been Electro. Mm-hmm. Or, or excuse me, three. This one could have been electro and what they did. But I still think because it's the same problem

that you always have when there's too many villains. If you, you start to develop Electro and his reasoning very well. And then it's just, oh, he got bit by Eels and now he's just a monster and he wants to kill Spider-Man. Yeah. And it's like, wait, just because he sees the guy and you, you tricked me one time he's, no, I didn't trick you. Let's talk about this. No, no, no, no, no, no. Now that, that I, that I understand. I think what would have made a little bit more sense in that Times Square scene to establish that Electro is done with you is like have spidey start to talk him down a minute a little bit and like electrical freaks out by accident and almost kills somebody right and then so spider spider man starts going hardcore

beaten the hell out of him and he's like what dude like i thought you were my friend like and then let that be it but all it is is just because he happened to save a couple people that then he was like you'd trick me i agree with you that doesn't work as well but i feel like they're rushing the motivation i feel like they made jamy fox a bit on a spectrum whatever that might be there was a choice there and I think they could have leaned into that instead of the voiceover weird music choice because I feel like the music choice was trying to be like these are his thoughts and instead they could have shown us

because it's Jamie Fox the guy's one of the most talented on the planet. You don't need Jamie Fox subtext it's here. No because everything Jamie Fox was doing in the beginning was working. Yes exactly. It was working of this awkward guy that just you notice me? Like you know because when that's because they try to tie it all the way and together like

at the end when Harry's like I need you. He's like you need me. It's like he just wants to be accepted. I got it. But the problem is that you just abandoned developing him. You start to develop him and then you just build because you want to... Yes, because you're like, well, we can't develop him anymore. That's good enough. Now we need to

develop the Harry thing. And it's too much. And if he just stayed Harry this whole movie and then killed Gwen and the third one, how good that would have been? If we get to know how great their relationship is because I actually like the Andrew Dane dynamic. Like it's a really strong... I agree with Winston 100% that once you get to that point where he wants the blood, that part.

Great. The research, all of it. And then Peter and Spider-Man are telling them, it ain't going to work for him, doing this to help you. And then he goes, he goes in there, and then he just says, oh, now I'm evil.

Oh, look at that suit. Let me put that on. Oh, now I'm an evil goblin, and now I'm going to kill everybody. And even deteriorating over the course of a whole movie, and then at the end of this, having him have to do the thing, and then the third one would have worked.

I'm not saying that I'm trying to do a whole other third Spider-Man film where Harry is now this maniacal, like, I'm going to break you up with your girlfriend and all that stuff. But I genuinely think that if you had set him up and the end of the film is, you know, they had some big fight at Oscorp, while this is happening, he's able to get in,

he gets the venom. And then all of a sudden, you think he dies. Yeah. And then the post-credit scene is him being like, yeah, like, then fine.

Way more interesting. Because then you have a whole opportunity to develop him in that third film of what's been going on with him in the time from two to three. And how much better is it than we remember because we want three so bad? Like this movie actually,

like it was a C-C-plus for me and it used to be like a D. It actually is better. It absolutely got better for me on the watch. Yeah. no doubt about it. I think because people also have to go back to the same conversation that we had about the first one

that you were only around four, four and a half years attached from Spider-Man 3, Ramey's version. So everyone was very attached to, well, except Coy, was very in Tommy McIre and Spider-Man. So it was hard for them to, you had to get people to

embrace him because they're like, why, because the argument, dude, I saw this one when Mark and I were reviewing for Shmose and the talk around everybody was, why are they doing another origin of Spider-Man movie? Why are they doing another Spider-Man movie? Who cares about this? And nobody wanted this movie. Nobody. Then it was the highest grossing Spider-Man today. Was it really? Amazing Spider-Man when it dropped beat the record. Yeah, but you know, times are different also from 2002 to 2012. But still, you're not wrong. It's still

did very well. But there was a lot to battle back from. So then when they did this one, it was like, yeah, this ain't working. Plus you had the Marvel, the MCU really starting to kick up because there was a rumor. And, of course, you probably know this better than I do, but there was a rumor that they were negotiating with the MCU to put Stark Tower into this movie. Yeah, and they were actually trying to figure out a way to make Andrew Cannon long term. I actually read a bunch of interesting stuff about the fall apart. Like Sony hack was a huge part of why three didn't happen because they were like in development of three. They were going to announce three with Andrew Garfield at a live event. Like Andrew Garfield was booked to me at a live event. So it was. They didn't scrap it after this. Okay. So three was happening, and then the Sony hack happened. Andrew Garfield was really disenfranchised with how they handled the character and was personally invested

because he loves the character so much. For the third film? For the third film. No, no, no. Like how the second one was handled. He wanted to be more hands-on for the third. And they were like, no, no, no, no, no. Like, he wanted to have more control because he loves the character.

And apparently the producers were like, you know what? This is too much. Scrap the whole thing. We don't need it. We can figure it out. I just remember the hack, one of the big things that came out is that because, and this was a direct stab at Miles Morales, but people were like kind of asking. And they were like, yeah, Spider-Man will always be white and straight

just because, you know, Miles obviously being black and Puerto Rican and being bisexual. They were like, no, no, no, Spider-Man will always be white. And I was like, oh, so y'all just straight up saying screw Miles Morales, then, huh? That's what that is. And that was, that was a bad look. And I know that that.

Well, they lost. Like so, yeah, I mean, like. They lost, well, they, it's funny because those leaks changed the whole dynamic. Because here's the, here. Oh, we were supposed to get a men in black and 21 jumps. Yeah, we were. I'm okay with not having that. Oh.

Oh, I would love that. Great. It's a whole other podcast. Next week on the rewatch. Ellis nice to talk about all the time. I just think there's two different franchises. Anyway, but what if? You know,

but the whole thing with the what if for this and now Sony leaks, if that doesn't happen and Spider-Man 3 happens, and then the negotiations probably would have gotten closer to Andrew Garfield being part of the MCU and Tom Holland. But Tom Holland then never happened. That's true. And I do love Tom Holland. I'm excited to talk about those.

That's what I'm saying, though. it's really bizarre and kind of ironic how all this plays into, and we haven't seen the movie. So we'd be wrong, but what we were assuming for No Way Home. Right, we get it at all. Is that everything that was put into the past,

it's all irrelevant now. That's why these rewatches are so relevant because it's almost as if, because beforehand, if you watch the Tom Holland movies, like I don't need to watch the Garfield one. I don't know why because that doesn't, like it's a separate, like it has nothing to do with anything.

But now it very, very well, I mean, we know that it does, at least Spider-Man 2 or Ramee because Doc Ak is in it. So, you, like, if you weren't familiar with those movies and you want to see No Way Home and you're invested in Tom Holland, you got to watch it. Plus, we know Electro's in this one. It was announced. There's a new picture of Tom Holland.

Did you see this last week? He's in front of a garage. So there's a picture of Tom Holland with his mask off and he's staying in front of a garage. It's Andrew Gerfield's garage. If you look in at the garage, there's his desk that he designs the web shooters on. Over to the left is the Parker stuff. So they literally. have a photo of Tom Holland in the Andrew

They're having. I like that they're having. Oh, it's great because we're the ads. We're the people. We're the trailer right now. Us doing this is the trailer. Sony is so smart. They're playing 4D chess. Every time there's any sort of leak, they don't need to put out a trailer. They don't need to spend the money because it's us going like, oh my God, this is the thing. It's brilliant marketing. They're having fun with it. There will be one more big trailer, and I think it'll probably right before Ghostbusters. Yeah, I think it's next week. So it'll be it's next week? I think it's a week and a half. Yeah, because it's one comes out.

Because it's out in 17th. I would make the argument that it might be out on Eternals because that's on Friday. The Eternals ain't a Sony property. Yeah, because Sony wants the... You think they're going to do it off of a Sony film. Because Spider-Man's a Sony character. I understand that, but it's still being an MCU film, I would be a little surprised.

It's a negotiation. Yeah, no, that contract handshake, think about how much more power Sony has. I will get a Morbius trailer. I get confident, when I get confident on certain bets, I make them. I don't make your bet. No, no.

I only bet when I know it. 100%. Also, Morbius was their, was their Eternals push. Like that would have been that that timing. They're not going to double down on two trailers back to back because it'll take heat off one. So with the Morbius trailer, that takes away the option.

So now they wait a week and a half, put it on Ghostbusters, a Sony property. Yeah, because, I mean, there's also to say, there's, there's, there's, you could also, and they might very well do this. They might debut it with Ghostbusters and then start running it. On Eternal. They do that all the time.

They do it all the time. So when Eternals comes out this weekend. Right. It won't have it, but they might have it next. In like next week to the following. Also not the era of people seeing movies for the trailer anymore. Like there wasn't, remember when, what was it? Force Awakens was huge.

Or like the spirited away Final Fantasy thing. How people would leave. They'd come see the 10-minute animated short and leave before the movie. I get it. I guess the only reason why I was asking is just or thinking in that direction is that they've done that before. So like when Guardians 2 came out, they put the homecoming trailer in there. If I remember correct, am I getting my release orders backwards? I thought it was Guardians 2 and then.

Spider-Man, or was it the other way? Spider-Man was before Guardians 2. Spider-Man was before Guardians 2. So then Black Panther? I don't know. I don't remember trailer attachments, but also at the same time, this movie was weird because it had a post-credit scene and then it had another scene at the end of it, which was from X-Men.

That's right, because it's not there. It's not on there on Disney bus. But in theater, it was the weirdest thing because there was a Fox movie. All right. There was an X-Men scene at the end of this movie. So that's where I was confused watching this too, because you see Mr. Hat in this thing again. Yeah, Mr. Hat.

Do we think Mr. Hatt's going to show up in no way home? I don't because what the actors passed away. And because the character, like, so the character was in a couple frames of an annual comic. No, no, no, I remember you said. And then he's in a novelization, which was trying to bring him more relevant. He's not that important. But we know that. But isn't he essentially like the, he's, we said, he's like the 50 cent version of Nick Fury.

Yeah. And so, but don't you, if you're, because you're sold that they're going to do Senators of Six. I think Michael Keaton gathers them. You think Michael Keaton? Because he's in the Morbius trailer. I think he's trying to get all the villains to, Spider-Man. So now that...

Doesn't he know, but I thought he was given... Well, Morbius was supposed to come out first. Hold on. That's weird. Morbius was supposed to come out. Wait,

that was why that theory came. But Michael Keaton and Vulture, he protects Spider-Man at the end of that movie. But then he talks to Scorpion in the prison. I think he wants to take out Spider-Man.

Like, he protects him from Scorpion, but I think then he, like, has a shift. Because Morbius was supposed to come out first. He's in the Morbius was supposed to come out first. Now my theory is a little wrong because it can't happen because no way home's first.

But I do think Michael Keaton has something to do with it. I don't know what. Remember, though, remember the Morby's just going out first. Guardians came out first and then Spider-Man Homecombe. Was it? Yeah. Guardians 2? Guardians 2 was May 5th and then Spider-Man Homecoming was July 7th. So that would have been the trailer, because that was around the same year as Wonder Woman, correct?

Yes. I think that, but the big question there is did Sony have anything big in that time? Yeah, whereas Ghostbusters, they're going to want to push. Ghostbusters, they want to get something big. And it's great. But if we're talking about, if we're talking about, you know, Jamie Fonster's, in this movie too again because he's going to be coming back we know he's going to come back because as I was watching the end of it they leave a very open ended that he could come back yeah quick quick

side note if we're just talking about these spider-man trailers I think the biggest like fatal flaw that I think end game had is they were showing far from home trailers before end game right I thought that was mad stupid because we knew spider man's even though we knew everyone was probably coming back to life but we want that suspension of life you you literally have been like screw that last moment of Infinity War, like, whatever, Spider-Man's gonna be back. And I'm like, Sony, that was tricky. They wanted to build it up. I know, that's true. It didn't hurt box office.

No, yeah, nobody's suffered. And now Morbius is doing something crazy where it's just like, what if every universe? Like, that trailer is insane. It's insane. It was like, I didn't, yeah, we'll get there soon. I didn't, I don't, I don't really the trailer itself didn't blow me away, but the Easter eggs inside of it is. Yes, I agree. I don't, I don't give two shits about Morbius, to be honest.

I've never really liked them that much as a character. I don't hate him, but I don't really care. I know nothing about it. What you saw in the trailer is pretty much it, though, they played up the, they played up his disease in this. Because normally isn't just that he, it's not that he, he, he's got a blood disease. He tries to cure in terms of memory. I think in this, they're saying he has, like, cerebral palsy or something. Well, the blood disease, they're making more physical ailment.

Got it. Whereas in the comics, he's dying and, like, it's, you know, in different medium. Yeah, I remember that. Yeah. Well, all right. So, either way. Electro. Yeah.

I'll move back to him. So he, he gets all pissed off. Harry saves him. He winds up. You know Jay Washington's the least favorite thing about Electro? It's the fact that apparently being shocked by electric eels fixes the gap in your teeth. Oh, yes. Because they actually show and slide together.

Oh, that's really funny. But everything about the powers and everything that happens, it's just kind of, all right, now he's, now he's electro and now he gets pissed off and now Harry frees him and that's why he's out. And then he goes to attack Spider-Man and then he disappears and we don't know if he's going to come back, which I think works. Because especially for this. Yeah. Yeah.

I also think that you guys might think differently. I think that this actually might be my favorite Spider-Man fight is the, is this, is this last one in the grid. I don't love that they're playing a long came of spider. That's annoying. Every music choice. Everyone. I hate this song.

So do I. The music choice, the music choice didn't do it for me, but the actual visuals of the fight, let alone how Spider-Man figures it out and all that I thought was the best Spider-Man. It was absolutely. I like the science. Yes. If you compare the fight. because they have similarities between the Spider-Man 3 fight and this,

as far as how it's kind of built. But this, to me, plays better. I don't disagree with you, but the music was atrocious. Sure, sure, sure. I'm not-atrocious. Even the last bit of a fight where he uses the momentum from a manhole cover. That's so Spider-Man. It makes me forgive the Mek Rhino enough because I got to see Spider-Man as a top of

it far-ling. It does the same thing that the first one does well is it projects the images of what stuck in your brain about what Spider-Man looked like in comics or animated or whatever it was, it takes it so well. There's stuff that you could just pause and you'd be like, is that from the comic? Yeah. Like, they do it beautifully. They do it. Mark Webb does that great throughout the entire, both of his films.

Yeah. I think the one thing that would make me like knock this down a bunch of notches, ironically, it though, is when he tries to save Gwen Stacy and he shoots it out and it looks like a hand. His all of a sudden is all of a sudden. Yeah. They slowed it down. Oh, they slow it down and it looks like his webbing looks like a hand trying to reach out to her. And I'm like, I was like, that, that took me out of it for a minute.

Also, there's a big flaw with that scene in that in the comic books and it's foundational. It's almost, it's as important as Uncle Ben 9. So they change stuff up here. They change something about the death. That's hugely important. So there is a drop and there is the webbing catch. But in the comic books, it's off the bridge. They couldn't use the bridge against.

They've already used the bridge too much. But what's important is he catches her right before he hits the water. and her neck snaps. And her neck snaps from not contact from his webbing. We don't know in the comic books if she was already dead or if Spider-Man killed her. So it's foundationally important

that Spider-Man lives the guilt of like, did I kill Gwen? Because I misused my powers. Is it because I didn't do the right thing and dive to save her? Literally, she thumped on the ground in this one. And she bounced up and he caught her. So it's clear she would have died no matter what.

It takes away a very important ambivis. So here's the conversations we were having before this show started was was like the stuff that as a Star Wars fan of why the things that I've kind of dove into over the years being like the fan I think you are with comics. There are certain things of Star Wars that bug me that wouldn't bother the two of you guys at all.

What you just said doesn't bother me. Yeah. Because of I wasn't attached to it in the comics. I think you get the same emotional response out of it. I understand that he's got to live with it. He lives with the Ben stuff. He lives with the idea that he could have stopped this guy from telling him he lives with that already.

He lives with this. This Spider-Man is pained, right? He really is, and you feel, and that's what Garfield does very well. So when she hits, I actually think it's pretty impactful, no pun intended, when it goes,

and when she goes, when the way it works, because it's like, she's trying, she's reaching, and you're like, oh, you gotta get her, and he's right there.

If it was six inches higher, it would have been, because then it wouldn't have had the thump, and it would have had the ambivalence. I didn't mind the ambivalence. So here's the only reason why I'm okay with it because they did enough of a setup and enough foreshadowing of let Gwen go. Let Gwen go. Do you need that too? Well, no, no, no. But I'm saying like that is still, like that's why he's beating himself up.

Yeah. Because I shouldn't have stopped her from getting on her plane. I shouldn't, like the minute she showed up, I should have webbed her to a wall and left her. Literally Captain Stacy Vassage. And that's a beautiful use of power and responsibility. He represents the responsibility. Also, two genius things they did. One, they, the clock, I don't know if you guys noticed. Yeah. When she fell, the clock shifted to 1.22. She dies. Genius.

So they literally great. One of my favorites. I love that you looked at me and said, I don't know if you guys noticed. I don't know if you guys noticed. I don't let me know what the clock registered the issue she died in. Hey, Christian. I don't know if you knew. Do your research, bitch.

I'm just saying important moments. And two, uh, two, uh, two I really. do I do really like that this felt like they might have taken stuff from the David Fincher when we almost got before Sam Ramey. This is the story David Fincher wanted to tell. They wanted to tell the day that Gwen Stacy died as a move. So the darkness of this feels like that to me. They might just use that.

Again, this is the stuff to me that works. The other stuff that they tried to do too much of when Felicity Jones shows up, because she's black cat, right? That I know from just hanging out with you friggin' words. I would have never. You did his research. No, that's just my. I remember big men talking about.

Yeah. And so, but either way, so she shows up and I'm like, wait, she's in this. And then I'm like, oh, right, she's supposed to, they're setting up black cat that never happens. Yeah. Right. And I always said, I wonder if she's going to show up in no way home. That's what I like about these movies now tying into because she probably won't show up. And Elizabeth Banks probably won't show up.

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Oh, one second. There's more breadsticks, please. Well. So the flirt and flouse will be, thank you to Diesel Time, putting together that animation, by the way. But the Furt and Plaus will be in those places I mentioned, and apparently he will be on the next Jeff Bezos rocket to outer space. Big moves. Big moves. Huge moves.

Huge moves for Flaus. I will make one big announcement about the Flort and Flouse, and I hope to see this on the Reddit thread. I really do. So Flort and Floss is leaving the FCL. Oh. Returning to the MTS next season. Oh, wow. That's a big moment.

It's huge. That's huge. What you guys said, there's no draft. Well, yeah, I frankly, we're lobbying over here. We got a lot of decisions to make. Here's a question. No. What has aired by the time?

Because we don't want to do this again. No, no, we should definitely give away the Shazam ending. No, let's not do that again. Pricks on Reddit. You see it? You see in this one. What they say? Nothing is like, how about, how about editing it?

It's like, idiot. Right? And I'm like, I do all of this. I'm turning to Sebastian. One man. I turn to Sebastian Manascalco. Do you understand? I do all this myself.

There's not little people jumping around, hitting buttons. It's me. I'm doing it. So shut up. What's wrong with you? Let the record show from my POV. There's a picture of Christian and Sebastian. But, dude, I'm telling you, like, so there was, so, like, you just like,

why don't you just edit it? We did this live to tape. I don't edit it. It's all happening right here on a booth. You don't understand. There's a reason why he gets mad if I say the F word more. There's no power. There's nobody.

The only way is like if something in the beginning happens, right, then I can get Frank to go in there and like, you know, take it out of it. But it was halfway through the thing. And that's what I'm saying. You got to lie. Also, it was dropping that night. It was that night. It wasn't like you gave away a month or two weeks ahead.

Spoiler. No, but it was, it was, I laughed about it, too. It was just like, it was like, well, The funniest thing is then watching Barbarian Oiyama, people are like, oh, 30 minutes in, there's a spoiler. Was there? It was a spoiler? No, there wasn't. They got confused.

They thought of your tweet they were talking about the MTS match coming up. But that's what's so stupid is it's like, that is edited. What are you talking about? Yeah, the show the matches are inherently edited. The matches themselves are edited. That was the one thing. I just, I did what you did. I did what you did.

I forgot when it aired. When this was. Yeah, because we are getting very close to the end of the season, or spectacular is December 4th. Oh, it's, a month from today. So that's, I found out yesterday. What happened? I can't wait.

Like, they shouldn't have told me this. Because he's about to spoil it. They have rockets that shoot up from the entrance at the global. Yes. Like, WrestleMania. No, no. Yes.

No. Oh, my God. Now that we know, I'm more excited. Now I'm upset. I'm upset. I mean, that we didn't end up with them. I just got to shoot. I got to put a fireproof jacket on, on, on, on Marisol.

Because I think that's what I'm going to do. No, no, that's fine. But also, I, I know, I, I know that's, I know that's, I know that's fine. all of our matches have aired. I'm not worried about that. Yeah, no, no, no, because Barbarian Oiyama happened last week. So all of our tournament appearances are over. That's what I can say.

All the tournament appearances are over. Yeah. It's all I can say. But the only reason why I ask is based off, you know what? We'll just talk about it off camera because the thing I was going to say has to do it next year. And I just need to be quiet. So never mind. A month from today is spectacular.

It's all I know. As of recording this, we got one month. If you can get there, Shmodelonlive.com. If you can't, you're dead to me. All right. Just facts. Oh, my God. That's true.

What did Brett say? Brett said something. Brett did a joke on the show last week. And he said, as Brett normally does. And Brett said, he was talking about people who don't watch the, watch movies in theaters. And he was like, because you should have rented out of theater. It means you don't care. And he's basically made fun of people who watched it at home.

And some guys like, oh, my mom can't get out of the house. Brett, is she wrong? I'm like, take a laugh. Here you go. I got. It's insane to me that people think everything's directed. Come on. Get lost. Yo, free promotion right here, I got you.

Thank you. If you don't go to Spectacular in December, if you don't show up, you're racist. We just sold out. We just sold out. We just sold out. Yeah, it's just like most people. What you just did, all you can say to start that is,

how most people tweet. I just saw a tweet happen live. I just got to see what tweet. There it is. See how many comments. Like some people are going to get. get it and laugh and somebody's going to be like, what's out there?

Oh, there's a lot of least 10 people. You're the problem with society right now. This is why we can't have things in 2021. You lost this election in Virginia. Woke media, ruining the schmowdown. Anyway, all right, Spider-Man 2. Amazing Spider-Man 2.

Yes, we heard of that movie. All right, so the reason I think that what I was going to mention, you asked about Felicia and you were like, oh, well, one, I'm glad they're, didn't say by Felicia, I would have chuckled, but I'm glad that Felicity Jones, by the way. Yeah, but, uh, wasn't it Felicity Jones? That's what I'm Yep. Yep. He combined the real name and the fake name Felicia Jones, but it's a great porn star name. She, I do think she may be involved because in the Morbiage trailer there is a daily

bugle and it says up top, rhino on the loose or rhino runs wild, something like that. Rino's who hoax. Black cat, friend or foe. So I do think that there's in the Morbiose trailer. So, so Oh, it does really? Yeah, yeah. So the newspaper he holds, there's a rhino and a black cat. We've heard rumors rhinos in this movie. What's even more interesting is...

Oh, no. They might just do it better. No, no, no, no way home. They're already fixing Jamie Fox. We just lost, and he's no longer seeing... No, no, no, no. They fix you...

How do you fix that guy? I don't even know. Electro, I know how you... You can fix it. Yeah, you can't. Because Jamie Fox and fix the suit. No chance. I mean, no chance to fix it.

If they do Rhino comic accurate and they make it a different universes, Rhino, it could work. I guess. It's a stretch. That's true. Well, that actually gets me to another point where what's funny is this, where the what ifs and the alternate universe is in different like Loki, right?

So when you go to Loki, there's different lokies. There's young Loki. There's old Loki. Allegated Loki. The one character that I think that they could make work because you never see his face in this, you just see emails is Jay Jonah Jameson. Right. What if that J. Jonah Jameson was J.K. Simmons?

I always thought it. And so every universe. That's the one constant. How amazing would that be? That's what I mean. So, like, he's a different one, but he's kind of the same. You know, to be honest, that email,

like that just goes to show how J.K. Simmons has so cemented in our brain. Because I hear his voice. Yeah, exactly. It's just like, hey, here's a picture of Spider-Man. He was clearly saving somebody. And that one-second turned around, wrong. Just subject header.

Wrong. And at the speed of it, like the idea of him working at a dot-com. Just like, nope. 10 seconds later. That no one response. the emails that fast. Now, I do think two important things. One, my theory from the beginning has been that far from home with J.K. Simmons is their first multiversal character. So I think that's going to be really important in no way home. Two, there's two completed scripts for a black cat

movie. There's supposed to be a black cat solo movie. With her or no. We don't know. Black and Silver. Then they're silver and black is the second script. And that was going to be a silver sable, who's a mercenary who works for both good and bad that's attacked Spider-Man at times. And a black cat who's a thief that's been working with Spider-Man and against at different times. So he's like that. So, yeah. So it was going to be like a morality tale. That kind of like a vigilante woman. So they're going to be,

the idea of that was going to be addressing what vigilanteism and good and evil across the border was because they were going to be like running back and forth across the border. Those two scripts could still be just like this movie rehashed and reused, if not building out of No Way Home. I firmly think No Way Home is going to launch at least five movies including Craven. Like we know Craven exists. I think they're going to get a black cat launch off. I think we might get a separate Sinister Six movie.

I think there might be a lot of Sony universe. That's what they're hoping for. What I don't, what I think that they shouldn't do, and this is, this is not just Sony. This is every studio that has done this, and it more times than not have failed. Don't start announcing all these movies yet before you have delivered. Like you got like some Marvel, even Marvel. Sure. When they started.

Yes, they shifted, but when they started, there wasn't like, well, this is going to lead into the Avengers. They certainly had that plan. Hence why plans work, new trilogy. So, like, plans work. And this is what this plan had. Yes, this is what the plan was the MCU starting up. Hopefully we can get, look, I'll tell you what, guys, let's do this Iron Man movie. Down he hits, if this works, then we can start to set up.

Right. Imagine if we can get to a place where we can, we can set up all of the Avengers movies separately. It seems so impossible. Right, it's impossible. Yeah. Imagine we'll do this movie. Wait, what are you saying, Kevin? No, no, no, what I'm saying here is, think about this.

We get all these movies, and if they're hits, then we lead to the Avengers, and if we can get them, all on the same page and get their contracts to say this. Yeah, massive. Can you imagine writing those scripts? Do you remember watching the Avengers and specifically like there's a lot of cheering every time like Iron Man shows up and come to America? But that for that first circle. Now we're spoiled.

Now we're spoiled. Yeah, now we expect that every five minutes. There was nothing like that feeling. That was a big moment when they were all standing in. Yeah. And now we expect like where's someone else? Where's someone else? Well, think about again, tying them all back into this.

Yeah. When Spider-Man shows up, right? Because we had never seen Toby show up in one of these movies. We had never seen Andrew Garfield. filled. So when we finally see Spider-Man, because Sony had the property for so long, it's the same feeling you're going to get when the X-Men finally show up. Yeah. Because we haven't had the X-Men in any of these movies yet, you know, minus like Quicksilver, like that area or whatever it is too. But like when Wolverine shows up in the MCU.

The first time of here shink and everything. Oh, dude. Fantastic for. Same thing. Like so, so that's the, what the MCU is doing now very much reminds me of what the W.W.E did, right? Because the W.W.E and like wrestling and territories or, I don't know. I'm not familiar you guys were with it, but like back in the day during the 80s, it was not monopolized the way it is today by just WWE and now AEW. There were territories. So like when you were in like Memphis, Memphis had a big hold on, like you would go and be. The show The Young Rock covers it a lot because there was like because like didn't the Rock's grandparents own like the Hawaii territory or something? And they did business with Vince McMahon who owned New York.

Oh, that's cool. So what Vince McMahon senior was the one who. was the king of New York. Yeah. But his son said, why do we just want New York? And he's like, let's get all the talent from everyone. Build them up, take them, boom. But they had to make deals in leading up to it.

This is my comparison to MCU, right? So the company wasn't doing very well from all the stuff that was, some went well, some didn't. So they had to sell off properties. He sold the Hulk, Paramount had the Hulk or whatever it was, or Universal. I can't remember who had. Sure.

So, Sony got Spider-Man, and then Fox got X-Men and Fantastic. Right. So because the MCU is the WWE now, if you will, they're going to get their wrestlers back. Oh, yeah. And they're systematically seeking. In one way or another. Yeah. Right?

Because Sony still has the character, still owes the character. We'll have him for a bit. Yeah. But MCU now has this deal with them, which Sony was very smart to do because it boosts their business. Oh, absolutely. And now they have X-Men and now they have Fantastic Four. Yep. So it's, it's, you know, eventually.

The whole company. Yeah. What an insane. Like, you couldn't have told me 10 years ago. Disney would be like, that's why I make the comparison. This is the one thing I was always trying to figure out because to me, I understand that that would be a major point as to why Disney would want to do it. But that sale wasn't just to get the X-Men and Fantastic Four, right? There was so many others.

All the properties that were there, alien. You just saw an opportunity to really, okay. And I think in the next five years, we're going to see a lot more of the Fox catalog appearing at Disney Plus. I think that was a Disney Plus move. I think they're going to try to take over HBO Max. I think they're going to try to take over Netflix. And I think they're going to try to be the, because in the next. six months they're going to pass the

infrastructure of any other streaming services as far as you know how we'll get back to the amazing spider man I promise but like we but I want to see I actually don't want to see X-Men movies I want to see him on the show I want to see series I want to see what I want to see a Wolverine hardcore series and then a big

event movie yeah and like five shows per basically what the MCU did for all their characters in the movies do that for all their characters on the show and then do a big movie exactly I want five to one the other way. Right now we're five to one movies to show. I want five to one X-Men. Yeah. Because you can do a more contained Xavier's school like Harry Potter. I want to see a Harry Potter X-Men. I want to see students in classrooms. I want to see them being taught. I want to see

how they feel oppressed. I want to connect to the characters. Then I want them to fight Magneto on the big screen. I slightly agree and slightly disagree. I would love to see if you did a TV show that each episode focused on one mutant's origin. Yeah. And then the finale is a movie of the X-Men. So I thought you were saying literally be in the school for a while and then like some big bad. You do origins or stories about them on Disney Plus. You build up to like a series, like a mini series event, kind of what they're doing for like over one. Okay. Okay.

If that's what you're talking. We need enough time to get us care about. So the audience is, let's get the audience back on track here. Let's talk about the most important thing. These extras are terrible in this movie. They're so bad. The extras. The most important thing.

It's so stupid. It's so. I mean the Times Square scene. When all this is going on and they're on the side going, Hey, Spidey! This is not a UFC fight. No. Run for your lives.

There's an electric man right there. Yeah, right there. Were you not around two years ago when the lizard man was trying to do everything? And turned you into lizards? Yeah. And they brought him up for like two seconds and dropped him like a bad turd. Yeah. They acknowledged him for the reasons they destroyed the spiders, which was cleverish.

I guess. But I also think it's really funny that we've got the scene on the Times Square steps and the running up. and then they had people like reaching out and then they turned into like CGI people. Like there was a weird cutaway where a couple of those people were doing the slow-mo. Right. But like they just weren't there with technology yet.

So it was like, well, that was my problem that they were worried too much about. Look how cool. Like we mentioned before, the stuff that they do when you get that good imagery. When you overdo it,

it just takes away from the overall story. I get it. I guess I didn't hate that because like you, the one thing that I've hated so far about the MCU Spider-Man, part of what makes it fun is seeing how the spider sense works? 100%, but the problem is this.

The problem is that when you have, when we're talking about this crammed story, that you're taking an extra two or three minutes that you could have taken to develop more character. Sure. So when you have- One more scene with Harry. Yeah, when there's all these moments, it's like, oh, this is the best, the big set piece, and to do this and do that and to put the stupid extras going nuts and then put voices in his head. And it's like, too much. But I guess that's the other thing.

There are other places where we can trim the fat. We've already talked about let Harry build up in this, but then like, He injects it and then he's in the next movie as the goblin. Don't make him the goblin for the last 10 minutes. That's one what-of situation. The other one is if you're trying to actually fix what they put on the screen, trim some shit out. And this is one of those things you could have trimmed down for sure because.

And then by the way, going into the parent stuff, which we all agree works better, I still hate it. Still not good. I still hate it because it's like even when he goes, I like the acceptance of what they set up that when Peter finally finds out that his dad was a good guy. I like that moment.

However, I don't like that Well, what they don't know is it only works for my DNA I could have had just that moment I could have literally had no Amazing Spider-Man one parents No Amazing Spider-Man opening two parents And just had him seeing his father And hearing why he's been absent We care enough about Peter to care about his dad not being there

We just need that one scene And that still has all the heart You go back to Winston's like you know What If scenario with Harry, right? Yeah If we don't know anything about the parents At whatsoever and you play it like the way Ramey did with the original

Mythology, right? Yeah. And then when he discovers something, when he finds out and he finds that tape, he's like, who's this? It's like, it's your dad. And there's that moment. That's a setup to continue into the Harry storyline in number three, how it then continues on of like the discovering of his parents. And the hairy line where he says like, I was there for you with the parents and now he's there for him. That still works without even meeting the parents.

It would have been better. When they first show up and the stairs, great scene. And they go in the park too. Yeah. I think they should have just found a way to do it maybe a little better. And again, they improved it in the second movie. but I think it's what you said. This particular Spider-Man,

this Peter Parker, which is really true for all of them. It's just, do you focus on it or not, is really defined by loss here. Yeah. Literally his parents walking out, Ben dying,

Gwen Stacy's dad dying, Harry flipping out on him. Harry losing his dad. You're just talking about Spider-Man in general. I'm talking about Spider-Man. So then Harry, but going back on it, and then Gwen,

like, his whole arc through these two films is about loss. Yeah. So I don't necessarily hate it, especially if in that loss, he is actually finding more strength. It works for what's set up. I get it. It doesn't mean you have to like the storyline itself. But going back to Harry's loss, right?

Yeah. Talk about waste. Chris Cooper's waste. And the fact that Spider-Man never met Norman, that's so formative to the comic book character. They never, yeah, they visually made him because Ultimate Spider-Man comics were doing well. Remember Ultimate Goblin looked like a physical goblin. They were trying to nod to that by having them green and with the fingernails and all that stuff. but it didn't work because that's a Spider-Man entity,

and you never have the science relationship. He never fought him. And it's Chris Cooper. Yeah. It's situated. They just have him on the bed. Yeah. And he's just like,

like what I will say, another scene, going back to that stair scene, how we've mentioned to how really good actors, and Dana Hahn's a great actor, when what they can tell you inside their face without saying it, and I hope that all three of us pick this up, is that when Peter comes in,

he walks in, and he's just checking on in his buddy. And he's skeptical. He's just like, I haven't seen you in like 10 years and you show up now. It's like right after I get announced as running. Yeah. It's like he didn't say that. He didn't say that.

He didn't say that. He's just more like, like, interesting that you show up now. Yeah. But then Peter is just like, yo, I'm here for you, man. And he walks out and then the shield comes down. Yeah. And it's like, okay. That, like I, that was a really, there's some great stuff that happens in this movie.

I needed a voice over him saying, do you trust him? He wants your money. He wants your money. Do you trust him? He wants her money. He wants your money. He wants your money. money.

It's a mixture. It's not just Zimmer. It's Zimmer and like... Junky XL. It's a bunch of good creators. Junky Excel's one of them. But it's just bad. Well, I mean, I appreciate the fact that that Harry keeps tapping back into that because

that's exactly what he was taught. I don't think we always necessarily saw that with Franco's Harry. But the like, for the most part, I mean, he's still throwing his dollars around. But I think even more so here, like you said, the look like Peter, why are you here now just because I'm the CEO, the idea that they thought that he could be walked all over and he's throwing his weight around. And then even when Spider-Man, he meets Spider-Man and be like, I need your blood. And he's like, I can't do it.

You might die. And he's like, so how much is it going to take? Right. That's what he thinks. Yeah, money. Yeah. And I also, I think this next movie's got a lot to do. No Way Home is, I'm hearing it's two hours and 40 minutes.

I'm hearing this movie as long. But I think that's how you do these things better because we were talking about what you trim. Just let us breathe in the world to Spider-Man a bit. You have to earn it. And that's the thing. I think that No Way Home has earned it because you're not just going off of two films. You're going off of everything we've just.

watched. You know what I mean? So you've earned it at this point. Yeah, seven films. That, to me, was the only reason, and I don't want to get into this because people are going to come in the comments and go crazy, but that was my only beef with the idea of a four-hour Zach Snyder Justice League. We hadn't earned it yet. You know what I'm saying? We'd essentially had three films. That's not enough to warrant four hours, in my opinion. See, I would have started, I have the opposite approach to the Snyder Cut is I don't mind the Snyder Cut as its own piece of something, because If you're going to make a Justice League movie, you need four hours. The problem was for me is that we got a solid man of steel movie,

which set up a beautiful Henry Cavill Superman that I love. Then they were like, what if we quickly make it Justice League in BBS? And they added one woman, they added all this stuff. And then they tried to do seven comic storylines. And they're like, okay, that was wrong. Four hour Snyder Cut. And it's like, okay, we need to know what you're trying to build. If you'd start the Snyder Cut and then did solo movies,

that actually would have worked better for me than the Marvel. Sure. I think it's because it was just trying to rush it. So that's all I'm saying. We have earned, I think, why Infinity War and End Game didn't bother me and I was like, great, let me sit in it for a while, is because we had spent 20 odd movies getting to this point. Same with Spider-Man. We spent a good seven to eight films, let alone some shootoffs from the MCU as well to get to this point. So I'm totally fine with

sitting in it because you're wrapping everything up. I'm so curious though they're going to do, like if the three Spider-Men are going to fight together, right? Like at the end and have, or is it just going to be one of these things where they help each other out or do they fight together and does one of them crap out? I think, I think, I think, I think, I think Toby bites it, maybe it's wish fulfillment. I think Andrew Garfield is going to be a really different, I think it's going to be cool to see different fighting styles, because one of them uses the spider

sense, one of them does, like, there's going to be different things, but I also think there's going to be a shot of like a spider verse shot where everyone jumps out. I think I might even have a secret fourth Spider-Man. You know what I want to see though, too? I think it's Spider-Gwen, and I think that that's how Andrew like anchors again. Yeah, well, I'm really hoping. That would be awesome. Dude, if we get him stone back in suit. But like, I want to see, like,

when they're all fighting together and then Andrew is using his version of The web shooters, and so's Tom Holland. And then Toby and Andrew O'Sinney goes, wait, that stuff's in your body? Yeah, that's got it at your conversation. It's got to be. You know what's so funny because now I feel ignorant than a mug

because I knew that some of the mutations happen when he like becomes like that human spider. Yeah, that's how Morbius comes in. But, but one, like again, finally reading one more day for the first time, like that was a whole era where he did have his actual webbing as a part of his body. In the comics, they made it canon. So in the comics, there's this totem story. After the movies.

Yeah, they actually modeled after the movie. That's cool. There's this cool totem storyline because if you look at Spider-Man comics, there's all these like animal-based characters. There's Scorpion. There's rhino. So they have this concept where Spider-Man is attached to the animal world. And that's why all of his villains are drawn to him.

And then they bring in this animalistic side. He gets the organic webbing, all these things. And then there's these things that are consuming all the spider people across universes. That's actually how we got the Spider-verse. That's what. Was these villains consuming spider people in the multiverse. And that's what I'm curious if we're going to touch on with this multiverse forming if there are predators of the multiverse forming if there are predators of the

I'm so curious how it's all going to play because especially the way that or it's why it's so important that I'm glad that we're doing it and hopefully it's inspiring people who want to see no way home. Sure. To then go back and watch these other movies because I want because there is one of those things too. Again, using a Star Wars thing where many times when I was doing like Jedi Council, I read everything that came out. Yeah. And then realized, I'm enjoying these. But are they going to deliver, you know, everything. everything I'm doing it is going to pay off for me.

Right. Because I want to see stuff start to pan out in movies and stuff too. And it didn't really. So I cut back on it. There's other stuff that does. Yeah. And you read that stuff. But the question is,

if someone said they were never interested in the Andrew Garfield movies, they were never interested in Toby movies at all, right? Yeah. And they go back and watch all of them. Do you guys think that that will deliver for them? I do. Yeah. I personally think they're different enough, strong enough and of their time enough, they're unique.

But is irrelevant? No, no, no. Oh, in relevant in the movie? I think it's relevant to the movie. Absolutely. I mean, we've already seen, like you said, Doc Strain, I mean, Dr. Octopus. Yeah. Well, there's two things actually that I'm very curious of what y'all's thoughts are.

The first is I, as much as I, like, love Marissa Tomey, and I love the breath of fresh air. They brought to it watching this one and seeing, I actually think Sally Field might also be my favorite Aunt May. She's incredible. I think Marissa Tamee is hysterical, but like the whole nursing school element, and you're my child. Yes, but man, may I ask a question, though? Yeah. she's just got this job at the hospital right yeah why are they all listening to her when she's giving orders

she just started she's really good at what she does she commands a room she's she's really good at what she's Sally field she's got the top she's got the top she's aunt may don't do this my wife said it my wife's like didn't she just start okay she she subconsciously knows that her nephew is spider man so she's been dealing with a trauma response so therefore in a moment of panic she has authority where she doesn't why we listen to it why Listen,

she takes charge. Hey, hey, why is Ray out here mind controlling people and slicing up Kylo Ren? Get out of here.

What are you? I might as well said that as you. Are you poking the Star Wars Bear? Are you poking the Star Wars Bear? We're on the same page. This is the answer. Okay.

Anyway, I get that, but, but, it's always has always been so strong but specifically that moment

the way she's game changer when she straight up was like, no, you're my kid. That great moment. That's phenomenal. But here's my question.

Do you think, because we're dealing with a multiverse here, are we getting an Uncle Ben? Do you think that there's a situation where he then gets a chance to have a conversation with his Uncle Ben? Yeah, well, here's the problem, though. The problem is what Uncle Ben, right? Because the same argument can be made here

if what if Andrew Garfield was to see Marissa Tomey? That's Aunt May? Yeah. Right? You know what I mean? They're like close to age. That's what I mean. That's going to be a moment. That's what I'm saying.

So she's like, because they're not really related. No. So it's like, but that's not going to, then I got to go down that way, but. But, well, I didn't mean it that way. Immediately. I mean, I mean,

multiversal hygiene. And one of the New Yorkers pops in, Hey, Spitey, you're going to get it. Yeah, not really related. I see, I see that, is your spider sins tingling there, Parker? Oh, my God. It's in Alabama.

Hey, watch your weapon there, Spide. He's got the organic fluid coming out of somewhere. We don't do that here, Spites. Oh, man. But I just, I think there's, remember, we haven't, with Tom, we haven't seen Uncle Ben or even really spoke about him at all. Right. That's true. So I, why that that to me would be kind of interesting to say. I know that we kind of substituted it with Iron Man a little bit. But I think that how interesting would that be to get in Uncle Ben now and have that moment? You know what the other thing though there is, there's, there's no coincidence, obviously now. So like when, when Sam Ramey was originally announced for Dr. Strange, I was like, no, no, no, right? And I still had that. hesitance because I don't want it to become a Sam Ramey movie.

I want Sam Ramey to direct a Dr. Strange movie. That's what I hope, right? And he's shown that he certainly can do that. The question I have, you know, I lost my train thought with the whole, where were we going beforehand? Aunt May, Uncle Ben? Oh, no. So when they signed Sam Ramey on to this thing to get him to do Dr. Strange,

there's no, he had to, when they knew they were bringing Doc Gawk in and all that, they had to consult him religiously on this. It's a brain trust. And then the question is, is Mark Webb involved at all? Man, I... Probably not, right? Probably not because he, I feel like it hurt him. Like, he was personally invested.

I don't know if he'd want to... Like, it might be an open wound. Like, I'm surprised, to be honest, Andrew Garfield. There must have been an incredible script for Andrew Garfield to come back because of how much he was invested in the character. But I do think there's... It's an interesting thing with all these quotes coming out. It's called a truck of cash.

I mean, that helps. That helps. He's very invested also in a truck of cash. But Tom Holland... said that he had this amazing scene between him, Aunt May, and someone else at the table, and he said it's one of the most important scenes he's ever filmed. Everyone was like, Toby, Andrew, Tom Holland.

Tom Holland said that. Everybody's like, Toby, Andrew, I think it's Uncle Ben. I'm telling you, bro. I think Uncle Ben is in this movie, and I think it's a really important emotional scene, and it happens through the multiverse. So I think Uncle Ben is the important scene that Tom's talking about. Who plays Uncle Ben anything?

I mean, I wanted it to be Toby back in the day. I thought it'd be fun, stunt casting. But that was before a Spider-Verse. Who's a good question. Hugh Jackman. Oh, I'd love that. That would be great. Yeah, because you can use them.

That would be great. I guess if it's Marissa Tomey, though, it has to be someone closer to her age looking. For half a second, I was like just as a joke, like if it was like Patrick Stewart, but like that's, yeah, he's way too old to be with. And we also don't know. You know who I want, like an actual good uncle Ben? Nick Offerman to be a great Uncle Ben. Yeah. Warm Americana has a charm, has an authority to him. Orsitton age.

Nick Offerman, that's my uncle, Ben. That would be good. Mickey Rourke. My birth. Have you seen my bird, Peter? Brian Cranston? Grantson's a little up there for Mursetton. For a Rissotauri as well.

It's on the edge. You could do it. Dude, I bet you they're the same age or right, but your Mr. Teton is maybe older. She is a lot older because remember, she won for Vinny in the 80s, bro. That's true. No, no, no, it's early 90s. I would have sworn it was like 89.

God damn. He's in a gambling mood today. Christmas just thrown her out. 92. Maybe 91, but 91, 92. I'm looking at rage. I'm curious. I'm going to say 92.

Damn, Christian. You were totally right. That's right. Don't F with me. That's why to shake her hand. I'm not betting. Last time that happened, I had to make tuna and mac and cheese.

That was the one. That's true. But yeah, Marissa Tomei and I wouldn't bet you. Look, how, I'll ask, I'm going to ask series.

Now you thought Marissa and Brian were the same age. I said, no, I said, or Marissa's older. Okay, so on the record, I didn't gamble because I'm Irish.

She's a slippery. I know that she's older because of when she around. Older than Brian Krantz. If I was to guess, I would say, I would say Brian Cranston is 54 or 53. And I was to guess from Marissa Tomey is 67.

Okay. So I think she's like 55, but she. I've met Brian Cranston several times. So I have a bias because I've seen him in real life not with makeup. How old? Marissa Tomey, 56. Ooh, close. Okay, close.

Brian Cranston, again, I know more than perhaps. Yeah. That man is 65 years old. Whoa. He's a decade older than Marissa. Is he really? He's a 65-year-old man. He's just awesome.

He's just got gravitas. Sorry, the rest of the tome. You look great. But that was the shocking thing is that to know that she's in her mid-50s when she looks like she's in her early 40s. You know what I'm saying? I guess that makes sense. He was probably in his 50s. He was probably in his 50s.

Well, because think about he was in Power Rangers, the original series. Yeah. Like that was a long time. What? Doing what? Everything. He's in like six episodes. Oh, he's in the movie, too.

He's a couple of the monsters. Yeah. And he's in the movie. No, no. I know. He's in the new movie. So he absolutely could be, he could be. He was on chips.

But still, but still 57. to, oh, he's 65, 65, it's, oh, it's not a thing. It's just, it's doable. It's just like they're not the same age in the spectrum of I would consider them together. Either way. It's a Hollywood 10 years. Whether or not, I think Uncle Ben would be interesting too, but that's, this is a lot that you want to spin back to exactly what we're talking about here, whether it's Spider-Man 3, this movie, and now this third movie. Yeah. This is a lot to pack into one movie, man. 240. I'm hoping it actually is. But it's a lot to pack in, you know. I would also venture a guess that, actually,

one obviously setting up that this is going to happen. Act two, he is meeting these other Spider-Men maybe individually for no longer than maybe 15 or 20 minutes. He does mean Fred Spider-Man. Fred Spider-Man. Yeah, yeah. Iconic character, Fred Spider-Man. But then by Act 3, when this is too much, then they'll show up and they'll come and

help him to finish it off. I think he meets one of them in Act 2. And then I think the reveal in the third act is the second one, is the third one as well as a new spider-win. And that's when the garbage came. No, not for real. past. That's when the garbage can't scene happens.

Yeah, exactly. That's it. They gotta happen. It's up. It's funny because I hated, I hated the juggernaut bitch thing. Oh, I hated it.

I thought that was funny. It just, it was just them taking something that was happening on the internet and putting it into the movie. It just doesn't suit a character. I understand, but I'm happy for you.

I'm happy for you. I'm happy for you. That's all care. And people will, it's got to have to do. And that's the third act. I think that's what. when we have a third one come out,

and then there's a moment of this, and then we've got a, then we got a spider's going to, I think, I don't, I don't know if they, they might recall it one more time. I think it's probably going to happen.

The first Spider-Man, he's just like, you're Spider-Man, I'm, no, no, I'm Spider-Man, who were you? I think what they did at the end of,

of, into the Spider-verse, yeah, where you had 2099 and then like, no, no, no, I asked you, what are you, what are you like? Do you think that they're going to explain to

to Tom Holland's Spider-Man, like Dr. Strange will that he could run into other. I think they have to. I think that's the fourth movie. Like I think we're going to get a Spider-Verse film. Like I think we go into this. I think it's going to get bigger and bolder. How do you want to see him on his contract? This is it.

He has one guest appearance and one full-length appearance. So if they did a, if they did a, well, no, for MCU, they wouldn't guess appearance. They have an NCU appearance, yeah. Because what they could do if they wanted to, they could do a Holland, McGuire and, and Garfield together for Sony. Right. And Sony needs this. I see Sony going. It's a massive movie if they did that.

Oh, you can imagine. Massive. So that's the thing, though. Again, we were talking about how at the end of Venom, that Venom is clearly now in the same world. So like, I mean, Which Spider-Man is he referencing to is the question. Well, you see Holland.

Oh, you see Holland. But I also feel like it's temporary. I feel like that's a thing that's happened. Because of Strangest spell? For a lot of reasons. Yeah. Like, I feel like this, this incursion event is temporary. and it will shift back out.

It would also just make it funny because remember Holland was like, I mean, I would love to make a friend of the MCR. Yeah, like that would be dope. I'm going to put you in a tough position here. Uh-oh. You only get one and that's it.

Never again. You can't see either one of them. One Spider-Man movie? No. Either no way home. Okay. Or Matrix. Oh shit.

Matrix revolutions or resurrections? Yeah. Now you would take Spider-Man. That's hard for me. I really love the Matrix. But based off. Listen to him. You think he wrote the movie.

But for me, I guess based off of the hype that's coming with Spider-Man, I go Spider-Man. But if these were kind of unraveling legitimately at the same time, I would be conflicted. Yeah, here's the reason why before Koi answers and has to cry doing so. The reason why I think that if you didn't see a trailer, I think Spider-Man would have been the easy, the easy choice, because Spider-Man so far has, A, has delivered on the last two movies and it has connected to the MCU very. well. B, connecting all these other movies that a lot of people

do like Amazing Spider-Man one and some two and then people love the Tobe McGuire one. So to see all that, that's going to be an easy choice for people. But I know his confliction

with the movie in general and how good the trailer looks. So the conflict, interestingly, is career versus personal life. I feel like in my personal life, the Matrix is foundational. And I feel like in Spider-Man is foundational,

but Spider-Man movies, as we've discussed, these last five of them, aren't the character to a T to me. Whereas, like, the Matrix reformed how I perceive the world at large. So to me, to me, to me, the Matrix is, is foundational to who I am as a person. Whereas the Spider-Man movies, I connect to the comic books more. So it's like, do I, do I pick one of

these two? But I think for my career, without experiencing what this Spider-Man culmination is, it's like seeing, it's like missing end game. Like, it's such a foundational format for the next 10 years of movies. So I think if I wasn't in this career path, I would say Matrix because of what it means to me as a human. But today, today I'm going to say Spider-Man. Okay. All right. I like how thought out that was. It's painful. I was suffering. Hi, my name is Corey Janjew. And today, my Ted talk.

I'll explain to you. Why? I can't make the decision. I can't make a decision. I just can't do it. You guys, I just can't. Well, what we can do is continue on our rewatch series and we're going to do it. So now we're starting getting into the MCU because next week we get into Homecoming.

It is the first movie in the Tom Holland. Well, now I guess trilogy, if you can consider No Way Home. But we're going to go into that. So to let people know how we're going to do it. We will do No Way Home. and then we're going to do homecoming. Not homecoming, right? No, Homecoming's first.

Sorry, homecoming is first. And then Far From Home is the second one. And after we finish Far From Home for the last like 15, 20 minutes of the Far From Home, we're going to get into all of the other appearances, whether it's Civil War, Avengers, 1 and 2. And that's the only other ones that he's in, right? No, yeah, just those three. Those three.

So we'll talk about that in depth. But then we'll finish off the entire series with, into the Spider-verse because for obvious reasons, not only is it to me the best Spider-Man movie at the current moment in time, but it also is very relevant to the old multiverse thing and if they're going to play into it and all. It's fantastic.

I can't wait. That one I can't wait. Has your daughter seen it? No, yeah. Oh, that's amazing. I'm going to watch that one with her. The only thing I wish we could do, I know we've got to get out of here,

is I wish we could go and see it in 3D in a theater because they've animated it so that it actually It was like the comic pages were turning in real life. It was so cool. And it's the only Oscar winning. Yeah. It's the only Oscar winning Spider-Man film. It's one of the few Oscar-winning comic films.

I'm actually very excited to re-watch it. I remember, you know, I think I might have only seen it once. Wow. I've seen it like 10 times. And loved it. Yeah. I'm excited for you. I'm going to watch it with my daughter.

Get a log line from your daughter for us. Like let us know your daughter thought. I want to get her of you because she's just smart. She's well-spoken kid. She said something the other day about, oh, she, when we were talking about her favorite Star Wars movies, Return of the Jedi. So we started watching that one, and yeah, but she's 10.

What are you trying to say? You want to get Mark Ellis on the phone and say that to his face. I'm kidding. But when we were talking, she's just like, she was, wait, because you find out, you know, the Leia sister thing. She goes, wait, dad.

So he didn't know. It was his sister, daddy. And I'm like, no. And none of the time he's like, yeah, she was just still gross. That's the Marissa toomey. She's hilarious, dude. Yeah, I got to know what she thinks, because I can't what you're going to win an Oscar for my cousin Vinny too, bro.

Yeah. No, if anyone's going to win for my cousin Vinny, it's going to be the four-year-old. Oh, really? A little Italian mafioso. She's the one I say reminds me of Sylvia from the Sopranos. Oh, she's just like, well, dad, you can take me in school today? I got to work, honey. Maybe you don't.

I want to her of you, too. I want to know she fixed her. She's, they're both, they're both characters. Like, look, this is it. We're going to be back next week. This is a lot of fun. I have a lot of blast doing, a lot of fun. We have a blast doing this one.

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