The Kristian Harloff Show - REWATCH: The Amazing Spider-Man (2012) Deep Dive | The Big Thing

Episode Date: October 29, 2021

The Amazing Spider-Man came out in 2012 and was the first movie with Andrew Garfield playing the famous web crawler. It was just 5 years after Sam Raimi's Spider-Man 3 and was done so Sony did not lose the rights. It was a different take on the lore and Emma Stone and Dennis Leary joined the cast. Join us for this rewatch of the film and how it ties into the MCU's Spiderman, No Way Home. Follow on Twitter Kristian Harloff https://bit.ly/31PePMD Mark Ellis https://bit.ly/2U1wKPa Brett Sheridan https://bit.ly/2HBltii Steph Sabraw https://bit.ly/3m0ud0z Kate Mulligan https://bit.ly/3owBneT Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Oh, it's going to be a big one here today, everybody. We're in the mood. Are you in the mood? It's the amazing Spider-Man rewatch. It's myself. It's Coy, Jandrew. No one knows how to say his last name. It doesn't matter.

Every different way. And Winston A. Marshall, we are here. We are ready. It's going to be a good show, everybody. If you've been joining the re-watch series, then you should stick around because we got a lot more of these things to go. This is the Andrew Garfield, the first one, 2012, I believe. It doesn't matter. So we're going to talk about this and a lot of other things here today.

It's me. It's Coy. It's Winston. It is the big thing. Let's do it, Mother Foss. Oh, that's not it. That's not. J.

Q. Simmons, Nope. What's up, everybody? How you doing? I'm excited for this one, man. I didn't fucking ask you to talk. You know what you said?

How you doing? I heard it. I was there for it. I received the information. I dropped one or a ride. Oh, Christian thought that was for the people that aren't with microphones. Yeah, excuse us. Watching this that are like in the chat right now.

He's rhetorically asking and I thought I was in the room with him. Who do I think I am? That's right. People like us together. I am. Who do you think you are? I am. You know Kalanowski did that when he beat Chandler?

I saw that. I said I was like, I actually got, it was one of those moments already. Oh, here we go. It was one of those moments that I was already pissed because I was like, God, you know, that was a rough match and like blah, blah, blah. And then he screamed that. I was like, you're going to take one of my favorite moments ever. He ruined it.

He did it twice. Oh, God. You're a little winning it here over for me, so I've got to change this. Okay. There you go. Somebody to talk. Yeah, no, it's all good. We're here for the amazing Spider-Man rewatch, which I'm just going to come out the gate and say it, man.

I really like this movie. I like this movie a lot, dude. I actually talked to Christian yesterday, and I had a way better experience with this than the Sam Ramee first one. Yeah, so, yeah. Here's the thing is what I said to Koi yesterday. I think I'm going to be probably the contrarian the most on this one out of the three. out of the three of us. What's funny is that when you go back and you look at my review at Shmo's,

no, I think that I talked about how I might even like this better than the any end of the Ramey ones and how much I like Andrew Garfield in it. So what I'll tell you is that a lot of the stuff in this movie, there's a lot of good stuff in this movie. I think Andrew Garfield is great. But there's a lot of bad. Yeah? There's a lot of bad.

And I don't really like the story in this one. I like the story better in the Ramey ones. I like the The problem with Peter Parker in this is not Andrew Garfield. The problem is he's cool before he's Spider-Man. I didn't think he was as cool as I remembered him being

because he was really neurotic and twitchy And he had like a weird neurosis thing Which I still be cool though And you still have neuroses I've always thought of Peter Parker is not completely inept Because he gets married Jan and Wednesdays There's a difference between inept and cool Like he's skateboarding he's protecting

He's protecting kids He's not nervous about, you know, he'll go up against Flash. He doesn't mind. He's that stuff. He's got that kind of personality, right? He's a skateboarder. He does this. He's already talking to girls.

And that's cool. And he plays Spider-Man great. I think way better than Toby when it comes to the quips and the comic like that. And there's certain imagery. The physicality. There's certain imagery that's straight out of the comic books, like when he's fighting against lizard or whatever. And there's stuff that's just beautiful in this movie.

But the stuff that's just beautiful in this movie. But the stuff with the parents lost me. It's just not, it's just... But isn't that canon, though? It's not till like the 90s, though. Like, that was canon. So they wrote this comic is loosely based on stuff from the Silver Age. So the lizard stuff and that origin stuff that they use is from the 60s.

Right. The Spider-Man parent stuff was introduced around issue 400, so it's going to be the mid-90s. And it was in the peak of make everyone cool. So the problem was, as it felt in the movie was, this was a lot of like, you know, Batman's doing well. And they're like, what if he loses his parents and it's dark and edgy? Like this to me felt like Sony being like, yo, that Batman. So to me, this was more reflecting what they felt like the first three were missing than Spider-Man himself,

which in ways worked for me. Because Toby was not Spider-Man to me. Andrew was, but unfortunately, Avia Rod and whoever producers were saying what Spider-Man was, was like, he's an orphan. And that's what's important. He's cool and he doesn't know it yet. Man, really. Like, they nudged Peter the wrong direction while Spider-Man, I think, lands. But Winston, tone-wise, I liked.

Like, a lot of tone because the- The dramatic stuff, like I thought that Andrew Garfield plays really well and the stuff like when Ben dies in that scene. It's way less cheesy than the Ramey ones. And that part of it I liked. I just liked the story better in the Ramey first two movies. Yeah, no, I get it. I guess the only thing that I would say,

the concern about him being too cool, I think they try to lean more into then that loner type situation. Yeah, because even with him, because I don't necessarily hate the idea, of him standing up to Flash, and he's Peter Parker. Right. He's without spider powers. So he gets his ass ripped, like, hard.

So, like, you see a lot of that with, like, a situation where somebody is still on the fringe. They're a loner. They're a nerd, whatever. But they won't just stand up and tolerate BS. I mean, I think that speaks to how Ben and May were raising him. So that doesn't necessarily bother me. But I understand what you mean about, like, even through his stuttering, he's doing too good of a job, talking to Gwen.

I think if it had been a situation where... He's just an awkward teen, but he's still got the... He still got the moxie to go up and talk to her, yeah. Right. I think either that or the idea that if... The only crap that came out of his mouth was science stuff, and he just, like, goes in a preamble.

Like, Ross from friends. Exactly. Like, if he starts going on about dinosaurs, he goes starts going on, but if you know the, like, you know, gene splicing, and if you do all this and then, she's like, okay, okay. But Gwen might be into that. But that's why I think she would joke and be, like,

well, then you should have applied for the intern. I did like the scene. Again, like I said, there's a lot in here I like. There's just a lot I don't. But the stuff I did like was when he sneaks into Oz Corp. Right. And then he figures that she gets, right away, she knows, you. Rodrigo.

I know what you're doing. And their chemistry for obvious reasons is incredible. It's better than Toby. Which is why I think the cool might have came out of that is because they fell in love for real. Like him being smooth at Emma might have just been him being smooth at Emma. Yes, but it's also written into the script that he's supposed to do. succeeds, yeah. But then again, the positive of Oscarp is then balanced out by the negative

because I hate the way he becomes Spider-Man in this one. Like, he walks into all of these spiders that his father created, which I also hated. And he's got all these spiders are all over the place. Not one Oscarp employee was ever bitten by this thing or tested out on this thing. He's the only one his body. Like, and if it is, they should have said it was his body specifically warmed up to this thing. But it didn't. And they could have played it the father thing with that.

Yeah, and he just, he just wanders in, he gets bitten, and he becomes Spider-Man. And I hated the scene on the train. I think you could have just went straight to almost what Ramey did, where he goes home, he gets sick, he wakes up, and he comes back, because that's, you cut out this stupid scene on the train when he just starts, oh, no, now I know how to fight. And now I know how to do this. Now I know how to climb on, now I don't jump on a wall. Well, hold on.

The spider sense. I get what you. I get what you. That quick. No, no, but remember, he did that same thing where he accidentally was doing. Like it's almost a beat for beat with what happens in the cafeteria with Flash. That's later, dude. No, no, no, no, no, not in this film.

In the Ramey film. That's what I'm saying. That's later. It is the next day. Next day. Not moments later. Okay, sure. He gets in the Ramey film, he gets sick.

Yeah. He wakes up. He's like what. Then he goes on the roof and he's got to try to, and he's trying to figure out how to do it. He's banging into walls. This kid is jumping up on the ceiling and kicking everyone's ass into seconds. So it's a little faster. So I'll give, I will give you that.

But I like the way it's displayed in this one better. Right. I agree with that. Stuck to stuff. Stuck to stuff. And him like, but cut that scene out of the train and then go right into where they do

where he comes home and he's eating everything and he takes everything from and she's like, what are you doing? He goes upstairs and I'm hungry. Like, cool. That stuff worked. And then he's trying to figure it out.

And I love, again, love and hey, love that he's the one that made these things. And that feels like scientists. That's more scientists than we ever saw Toby. When he's like the excited nerd that succeeds at the 15th, you know, experiments he did. Like that's Spider-Man.

This made me want, this made me want, Garfield in the same Ramey first two movies. That's what this one. Oh, I'd love that. This is what I want. Yeah. Yeah, I can totally.

I could see that. This made me want to back now. Emma Stone too. Emma Stone also. And that this goes to your geekiness that I learned from you is that I would much rather have had Gwen Stacy be the first person in that movie that Mary Jane comes later. Yeah. Because of the way Gwen Stacy in this movie, you like her, right?

She's a good person. Mary Jane is an asshole. Right. Okay. So I was talking to you about this before that if you guys watch. the honors trailer of the Ramee now that we finished. Yeah. So that was the other big selling point.

They were just like, you know, Mary Jane, you know, who's a terrible person, a terrible person. The usual person. Sheets on her boyfriend with Spider-Man, cheating on Harry with Spider-Man, then cheats on her fiance with Peter, and then cheats on Peter with her best friend. Her ex-boyfriend. She's a terrible person.

Whereas Gwen is endearing, and I love the dynamic of Captain Stacy is so important in the comic books. And of course, Gwen would fall for someone that's like a super cop. So Gwen's like, I can't do this. I wait for my dad to come home every night. That trauma is so important for the character. And I really like that they use Captain Stacey in a way that makes him a bit more important than just a guy that dies. Because sometimes in the comics are like, oh, the father of the girl. He serves as Jay Jonah Jameson in this one.

He's the father figure in both Peter and Spider-Man sense, which I like. Which, you know what's funny is I was watching, because I hadn't seen it in so long. I don't know why I convinced myself that Dennis Lirry was in the second movie. I did too. Right? I thought he was when he got, when he bit it, I was like, when he died, I went, oh, crap. Yeah, that's, I remember. It's probably a flashback, but maybe.

Right. I thought he died in the second one. But I thought he died in the second movie. I thought I thought I, for some reason, when Gwen died in the second one, spoiler. When Gwen dies in the second one, I thought that he was upset about it. Oh, interesting. But then I remembered the promise and I was like, oh, he eats it here. Yeah.

And that stuff. Like, again, good. stuff, bad stuff, right? Like, the silly stuff where everybody's turned into lizards, I hate that kind of stuff. I trust me, but, but, okay, that, that, that again, has been a plot that the lizard has used multiple times. Like, what does that mean? Well, well, but, like, if you're going to go with the lizard, the lizard's main thing, typically, making everybody else a lizard. So, like, if we're going to use this villain, that's kind of, then I'm not, I'm not one brain. You need brains. Right, but that's the least amount, that's the least of it. You know, there's a few different times.

I do, I do like when he takes his, when he takes his, when he takes, his mask off. Oh, the kid. And he's, no, well, the kid, the kid moment

is one of the greatest Spider-Man moments, right? Because he, he's a kid and the kid, he's like,

come on, dude. Put some mask on it. You can cry and put it on. It makes you strong. Power's great scene. Great scene. That's what I mean. Like,

I, I enjoyed watching this movie. There was just times as I'm watching and I'm going, I don't know. What I do, what I have to also mention is that my good friend, um,

Leif is in this movie and he kills Uncle Ben. Oh, he's the star. Yeah. And they still, you know, they never, wasn't he supposed to, he's eventually Electro. Is that right? Not in comics, but there is some canon where they make him come back in issue 100. Like he comes back as a bigger thought.

Oh, okay, okay. Because, yeah, because they never resolve that storyline. They might have in the movie's been going to make him back. Because Max Dillon is very much that kind of character. So it would not surprise me because everything's from Oscorp. They're like, and the killer comes back as Electra. Like, that might have been a Sony plan. Yeah, I thought that was something that was in there, but I don't know.

But either way, that, that, scene was that scene worked Sally I thought Sally Field obviously Markle Ben great casting but it was the same thing like as they started to go into the Campbell Scott who I like and was fine as his dad it's just why why I like it that he just starts off with Peter with Uncle Ben and Aunt May you don't need this parents if you cut those scenes this movie is another little grade up like so to me the lows are lower than the same ramy because the parent stuff is real garbage but the highs are high higher. So to me, this is, I gave the first one a B plus. I gave this one a B plus and I used to get this a B B

minus. So this actually got better with time. And I think it's on par with the first Sam Ramey because again, I think the lows dip down to like a three, but the highs go up to like a nine. Whereas my new experience of the Sam Ramey is it's like between five and seven kind of just lives in a good space. I give Ramey one and two over this one. Yeah, I go, I go Ramey two this one. And then Ramey three, considering just the four we've watched. Same. Yeah, no, I'm Ramey two over Right. And the way we're going to do it, the way we'll rank it at the end is the same way that we're going to rank the Star Wars movies. We're not going to rank them in far as which was the best made film. We're going to rank them as far as our enjoyment of the movies. Like, for example, so for people who are like Star Wars, you can't argue, and if you try to, you're wrong, that the Last Jedi is not a well-made film. Doesn't mean that you can't hate it. Looks through the soul of every Last Jedi fan. And like, well, and like, for me, it's, it's, for me, it's, it's, gonna like, and I fully acknowledge that attack of the clones is not a good movie, but I

enjoyed watching it more. I haven't even watched last Jedi again yet. I'm going to rank it higher. Dude, I'm gonna love your last Jedi. I don't want to watch it. And I'm gonna have to. It's my favorite since Empire, dude. I mean, I really love, this is not, we're not talking to Star Wars because they're

dangerous. Because they'll open a whole can of worms, but I, that's the funny thing. Like already I can see someone would be like, wait a minute. I thought you didn't, you guys didn't like Spider-Man too, and yet you're ranking it that we're like, again. We were like we told you, we were saying it's so good. We were telling the things that didn't work. We told you straight up that, and I said when I started the Spider-Man 2,

I acknowledge this as a very good movie. I just think, and I still stand by it, it's very overrated. It's rated as one of the greatest superhero films of all time. I don't agree with that. What we're saying is none of these are yet. Like in all of the four we've watched, that is the top one. But none of these are in the Winter Soldier Dark Night Conversation. No, but I did really enjoy throughout whatever,

grievances I did have of this overall film, I really enjoy watching Andrew Garfield. Yeah, I agree. He does everything right. And even though it's because the character of him being too cool and everything too, that's a direction thing, right? That's more than Mark Webb. That's a direction thing. So, or story or screenplay.

So that's not, he was asked to do and he did. And he delivered. He's great a Spider-Man. Great as Spider-Man. Great as Spider-Man. Like, I mean, that opening sequence of him in the, like, stop the bad guys and he's in the car and he just keeps closing the door. Oh, really funny.

And then he pulls and goes, oh God, God, dive, my only week! Like, that is hilarious. Yeah. Super Spider-Man. And it gives me... Small knives. Yeah, yeah, I know. Oh, like, it honestly feels...

And the suit is a real suit. It's not CGI. Like, it feels like Spider-Man could exist. This is my favorite of the three suits. So between what you get in the MCU and what you get in Ramey, this is by far my favorite. The Amazing Spider-Man 2 suit is my favorite suit because it's this, but it looks like the comic. So, but they, it's a real suit. Like, they had it at the arc light and I just stood and stared at it for hours because I was like, my dreams are real.

But for me, the, the Andrew Garfield of it all is obviously the highlight, along with Emma Stone. And then their chemistry is that next thing. But for me, we've talked about it a couple times, but the imagery from the comic books where they allow you to like swoop underneath him and he does a pose right from a cover when he's standing in the middle of the spider web when he's standing in the middle of the spider web. When he's fully a Todd McFarlane drawing, like in the center of the spider web, when he does things that you can't physically do. that they actually had stunt performers do right to the point. CGI, then right back to a stunt performer. Instead of just making a CGI Spider-Man, which is one of my problems in the MCU,

they've done, this is the point up to a human's physical max capacity, like an Olympian level. Then there's a couple frames of CGI, then it goes back to the stunt performer. This had a stunt team of nine different Spider-Man. And all of them had different skills. I know a couple of them.

One of them was their web-swing guy that would start the swing because he was better at launching. Another guy was better at handling the G's velocity of actually swinging it up to three Gs through New York. So they'd actually have, one guy start off, one guy actually be swinging, and then when he dismount, then it would be CGI.

But this had a team of nine different peak athletes, and that's why it feels like Spider-Man. It does. Yeah. Because it's the power of nine men. There's not, there's absolutely, and anything that I have an issue with, there's not one point that I say that doesn't feel like Spider-Man,

because it does. It just, I think the overall the, and it's funny because as much as I said about the Ramey's thing where it's a little too cheesy, it's always fun. Sure. There's sometimes that this movie isn't fun.

The first 10 minutes are especially real. Yeah, and that's okay. It's definitely the more dramatic version of it, and I like that, but I think sometimes it suffered, right? But it worked, except the story, though, the story was my biggest issue. Oh, and the other stupid scene, the basketball scene. Okay, so this is, so this is, that was the big thing to me that I think was kind of ridiculous. It's like, A, and that, again, I don't know why I keep leading on this on a show.

I guess it's because I watched it this morning. The fact that they bring out the fight with the Spider-Man that loves to fight only, not in his mask. Like all the different scenes where the mask is off and he's going at it. But also, how is it that everyone knows who Peter Parker is in this school, right? And they know his limitations. He's a skateboarder. He's kind of a dork, like whatever. How is it that you not only are able to all of a sudden ball over flash,

you leap from the three-point arc and break the hoop? And no one goes. And no one goes when a week later Some dude named Spider-Man is swinging through the city Like, yo, that's Peter Parker dog That's for Bobby. Yeah, when he's suddenly in the school. He fights in the school.

Like it's like guys, Because that's one of the fun things about the comic books Is the occasional student being like And like they didn't do any of that here Where one student's like, wait, Sandman was in our hallway. That's weird. Like it's got to be those moments.

That bothered me. That bothered me. That's fair. That was similar to me like the train scene where it's just like he's just jumping around, flipping around, hopping on the thing. And now he's flying through the air. I like

the screwing with them on the ball. Yeah. Like it's like nope and then bounces off his head and maybe he gets into a fight and tosses. What if... Three point arc jump. That's too much. Too much. It looked like a commercial. Right? And that and we're, if he just has the ball and he's messing with Flash and then Flash comes in and then he goes to tackle Peter and

Peter uses a super strength and chucks him into like a into a cabin or something and then you're like, whoa, look at the strength in this guy. Then you're like, okay, wait a minute, but the super jump across like... But you know what would have done it is if he had gone up maybe for like a dunk, but because he's still Peter and he hasn't really figured it out, if he like hits his face on like the backboard or something like like he bumps his head. Right.

Then that's a situation where people like, all right, maybe Peter's been working out. But like he's still Peter Parker, like whatever. Yeah. Not perfect dunk. And he's like flying through the air and it's like, I mean. And like a, in like a almost like a like a pose like he's doing skateboard. Jordan looks up and goes, I can't do that. Yeah.

That scene didn't work. I like the train scene a bit more than that. but that scene didn't work for me. I like the train because it showed the innate Spider-Sense going to be solving a lot of our story-selling problems. I think the Spider-Sense taking over him allows later for it to be like he knows too fast.

This threw me off a little bit. Flash isn't a bat. I'm about to change my one F-word for the show into the N-word for the show, so you better chill. I'll do that. I'll do that. I'll definitely,

I'll definitely show. This is why you can't do that. I'll just do this. It just got me out the shot. Don't do it. This is how I get to react to anything said further. The inside-out characters in Coy's head right now are like screaming. Abort!

Abort! Quit the show. There's no way to receive any emotions from this expression, but fear. You're more red than Spider-Man's suit. Guys, I got to not do this again. My spiders are tingling. So you're saying about flash, sorry. So just, just.

the idea that I get that when you look in the comics there are moments where you see that Flash is in a complete tool. I didn't necessarily love him trying to be the one to console Peter when his uncle died. That was a little weird to me to be honest with you because

there was nothing that ever made it seem like Flash respected Peter. You don't think so after... I think him in basketball. I think that basketball was enough for him to be like, oh, your uncle died. Sorry, dude. No, he alphed him. Like he was like, yo, you respect me. I put your in spot. As much as I didn't like that scene, And I did get that from that because I actually like that scene when he grabs him.

And he's just like, dude, I'm like, I'm being legit. And this feels better being angry. He's why I've been like this. Because Peter sees it. Yeah. Peter leaves. And I love that scene. It's a reflection.

And she hugs him. And he just, he's not there. Yeah. He's not like dismisses of her. I love that. I guess, I guess my problem is this is a dude that has been tormenting Peter this entire time. And even if that's a moment like that, I, that's a moment where I need Peter to be like, no, get the hell off me.

And that's where you show the super strength where all of a sudden he just like, get off me. If he pushes him up against, he lifts them over. No, no, I'm saying like, he calms down because Flash, like I get it,

I get it, it's fine. And he calms down and then he lets him hug him for a second. I'm saying, I would much prefer like Flash. And he's like, don't touch me, dude. And then he's like,

no, I get it. Like, and he tries to hug him. And then he's like, don't touch me. And he throw, like, something like that where we still understand,

even if there's a connection there. Yeah. That flash is not his friend. That one just didn't work for you. It just didn't work for me. But what did work again for me was that moment when at the end of the movie after Dennis Leary dies and she comes to the door and she's like, Flash was there.

You weren't there. Yeah. And he, this is that thing that he does. He does have that upset like bottom of the eye cry thing that he does, but it works. So bridge. So talented. Yeah.

And then when he went, so brave. And so when he walked, when he's there, and I love that she knows her dad so well that she's like, he made you promise. Yeah. That's the cop thing. That's the relationship. Those moments were.

There's a lot. Like, if I, like I said, like there's a lot. I'm not going into this movie going, I hate this movie. I like this movie. It's just, there's just a lot I don't like about the story stuff.

Like the, a lot of the Oz Corp stuff I don't really love. I don't like where it goes in the second one. I don't mind it here because it's not everything. Like the next one, they're like literally everything that ever happened is Oz Corp. That bothers me. Yeah.

But this one, I don't love. love that it's really convenient, but at this point, it's just lizard, so I'm okay with it. Because I'm like, oh, that's a cool way to not do the goblin. Like, it's an inventive way to keep. Yeah, let's lean on Doc Ock or the Goblin. They're smart enough to pivot into other villains, but I definitely had a problem with, I think my biggest negative is that they made Spider-Man feel like he didn't adjust to being a hero

until the third act, and it's a weird pacing issue. Like, he's still kind of a bully for two acts of the film. And like him still hunting the criminals, I get the point. And that's why the Flash thing works for me. Because it was when he realized he was being like Flash. And he's received so much shit from Flash. He knows what it's like to be on the other side. So the moment he sees himself in Flash,

I think that makes him go into Spider-Man. And that worked. It just happened later than I like. I just, maybe I missed it. And I wasn't paying attention. Did Flash say anything along the lines of like, I get it, I've lost a dad or an uncle. Yeah, he does.

He said, I know what it's like. And then when he gets angry, he's like, this feels better, doesn't it? He acknowledges. Then maybe I just missed that. Because his dad beats the shit out in the comics. Well, and I know, that, but that's the problem is that

I didn't hear that line and if I had heard that I probably would have taken that, I would have connected to it more because otherwise it's just like why all of a sudden is Flash being a nice dude that doesn't register to me in that regard and that's why I'm saying then if Peter genuinely hurt Flash and saw what Flash was always

then that would have clicked I just must have missed that line and it's a line that changes everything so I get it but it's an acknowledgement of the familiarity between the two of them and it's Peter flipping and realizing he's becoming Flash and that changes him and how he becomes Spider-Man because he stops hunting criminals and start saving people. Which I did like that whole thing also where he's, there's that agenda of what he's doing and

they even said as much. Like this is, like, Dennis Leary says it. He's like, this isn't like a great guy. This is a guy who's got a personal vendetta. And it resonates to Peter where he's sitting there going, oh, wow, because Peter's trying to defend his actions at the dinner, which, again, a lot of that stuff played, played very well for me. And Reese Hyphins was a good lizard.

Yeah. And understanding the relationship that he had with Peter and all that And realizing that the serum was overtaking his brain But I think that was the overall problem that I had was like here we go another serum another you know Oh, I will say this because the late great James Horner does this score I don't love the score in this one there's James Horner one of my favorite composers Braveheart obviously which you keep mentioning on the show Legends of the Fall

Legends of the Fall many, many great Apollo 13, so many great scores. This one didn't work for me. Well, there's one particular scene where it's just like he just bangs on the piano. It's like, bong, bong. And then there's a funny cameo. Probably the horror moments when it's at it's after. It's later on, yeah.

And it's just, it's really jarring. And then there is a funny cameo with Stanley. It's one of Stanley's good. Oh, I love that, dude, where he's in the library, just listening to the headphones. And they're fighting in the bed. He almost gets it by a desk, but then Spidey throws it back. That's one of the highlights of the movie to me, and I haven't mentioned again, is I talked about those as Shang Chi.

The use of the Z axis is so well done here. The way that Mark Webb uses a frame not just this way, but this way. So, like, the X and Y axis are most filmmakers, and especially Wes Anderson with his symmetry, the use of X and Y is genius. But the way I think Mark Webb in particular in both films uses the Z axis, because you feel like Spider-Man isn't just in the frame. He's able to leave the frame, descend into the frame, go through the frame, and you're aware of it being showing. with 3D in mind, but it doesn't feel like it's ever like an arrow at your face. Like you don't feel like it's a cheesy 3D. You feel like you're watching a film that takes place within three dimensions.

Right. It's genius. Was it shot in 3D? Yeah. Okay. One of the only ones that looks good. My biggest question, my biggest question about Spider-Man, though, is when that suit is when he's got a poop.

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the ominous no it isn't on the couch line makes me wonder what history we have with that experience that was no it isn't because you don't if you think you do I don't care what you do you got a white couch

you ain't washing your asshole you're brave just in general very brave to just don't do it because it's not even just it's not even just the you shouldn't yourself I mean, you're just walking around. You're building up dirt and grime all day. You sit on your white couch and just get browned.

And the three of us are filthy animals. Anyone of the white couch is brave. But I add to that. Men are filth. No, we're not going to be. Dude, they warned us that they may cut off our water today at nine. Oh, dude. And so when it didn't know, it's like, oh, I'm good.

It's like, 930, 945. I'm like, I'm good. They didn't turn the water up. Of course, I get in the shower. I'm suds up. Oh, dude. I feel the stream going. I was like, oh, shit.

And I was just like as many parts as I could get. And I was like, come out. Come out. It's true. See? And then if you would have had that. If you had a tissue, you could have. Just then stand in front of the toilet and just let it splash the rest of the soap off.

Got to get creative. It's no joke. It's clean water, though. Yeah. It's no joke. If somebody, somebody wrote to me yesterday, I said, I just got one of those bidets because you told it because they like the, they like the ads. But they said, you know what? I'm going to try it out.

And people keep getting it. You should do it. The bidet life is the way to go. It's how to do it. Everybody. All right, listen. I'm going to keep talking about this. It's the amazing Spider-Man.

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We do trailers. We have the big thing every Monday, Wednesday and Friday. And then Sith Council that will drop today at 4 p.m. And we're doing the Force Awakens rewatch. So head on over there for that as we lead up to so many different things coming up. And I did a, as I showed you guys,

did a reaction of the Pixar Light Year. A New Yorker, a New Yorker observes. I just had it. I was in some mood, though, because, you know, we finished up. We did, and if anybody watched my reaction, just watched the last, like, a minute and a half, and you'll see what I'm talking about. But when I went, I was in that kind of mood for the day.

Yeah. So we did a set at Flappers last night. Yeah, yeah. And in Burbank, California was myself, Ken Napsok, Mark, and Kate Mulligan. And, oh, shoot, I forget the other. there was a brand new comedian. I missed him too because I didn't get there,

but really nice guy. And then Jake Lewis, who is Jake Lewis, who part of the Lewis Brothers comedy group, but was the one who directed and wrote Jamie Costa in that. Oh, that's right. I remember the connection. Gotcha.

So he was, he was, and Jake's a sweetheart of a guy, man, and we were there, but like, I was just in that mood. And Kate crushed,

by the way. So did Ken. Good, good. Just, and Alice, obviously always. But like, but when,

but Kate, I just got there in time to see Kate go up. but I was very relaxed and it was the, I don't say it was the least prepared. I was definitely prepared for the stuff, but like where I was so in my head about the other sets where I just, because I hadn't been back in so long and I'm going,

okay, here's what I need to hit. Here's what I need to hit. I'm going to see if this works in this. This one is like, I know I have X amount of this 15 minutes that I know works. I'm just going to pull stuff from things that I've used in the past and just talk and I used the crowd and I just,

it was the most relaxed. That's great. I'm jealous. It sounds good. That's not so, man. But anyway, we'll be doing some more stuff, especially at Spectacular. Spectacular's going to be nuts. Dude.

It's going to be, oh, we're going to have like 600 people there. Yeah. Downtown Los Angeles. That's great. I love that theater too, man. Yeah, for people, even if you've never seen the Shmodown, you should just come to party. This event is a party. The Shmodown Live.com, you can get your tickets.

I'm looking forward to going sober this time because I, because the last live one we had was the day after my birthday. Oh, man. So I showed up hungover. Oh, you show up. Okay. Yeah. Well, give it. give it within the first match.

Yeah, I'm going to go to the opposite. I'm taking a lift choices. I'm going to get home safe. Well, you've got to wait until your match. I mean, after my match, I'm just going to bring a little flasky. Make a choice. Wait, wait. Shazam.

Okay. I was like, it's not a spoiler. It's not a spoiler. It's not a spoiler. Well, shoot, it might have been a spoiler. Don't watch the pay-per-view to know. It's the first time Chris has ever had one of those. That just happened.

There it is. I'll put a warning in the thing. But people are going to be, like, oh, you just spoil. I waited until he said it. I was like, I must be there. I guess that's fine.

So guys, check out the paper view tonight. It's Sam versus Lightning Time. Who knows what's going to happen? Who knows what's going to happen? Bitt. I appreciate it so much. It's a great show.

I think he's got to walk off today. I think we all. This is what happens when you don't edit your shows. But you just, you just pre-taped. I just pre-taped and just spoiled the paperview. I'm sorry about it. And all the times I yell at Roka for spoiling the papers.

The first one, it was, it was, just kidding, lightning time one. It was brutal. It was good. So now your question is, am I telling the truth or am I not? Gettushy.com slash snot watch your ass. Yeah, you got to clean that shit up, don't you? I need a tushy to get that whole moment. Yo.

Let's text Frank. Can you cut out the whole show? A minute and a half. Sorry, guys. I'll put a warning in the thing. So Spider-Man. So, Spider-Man. So I think Toby McGuire,

Tobin-Wire was playing Spider-Man, and I think Andrew Garfield used Spider-Man. I do. And the more I get away from, the more I feel it. And I try to be so diplomatic. I want to see you interview him. Oh, dude, it would hurt me as a human being.

Also, like, the amount of here is a piece of shit. Do you hate him in these movies? He doesn't like him a person. Dude, Molly's games about the motherfucker. Wait, that's your, you've, you've, you've, you've, you've, you've, you've, you've, you've, we talk about poop in the show. Well, yeah, that's my first F in the, in the history of four episodes, it's about Togold of shit, poop. It's warranted. No, like they made a movie about him being a bad person and with a gambling problem.

They've... It's in the book. Yeah, and we've heard over and over again how he treats people. And like, there's a definitely a nest to him. But don't you say it's hearsay also? I mean, if there's enough smoke, there's usually fire. But, but again, I just feel that sometimes if we don't know somebody, how can we... I would prefer he be a nice guy that's a bad Spider-Man.

But I hear he's both. I hear he's a bad guy, Spider-Man. But, you know, I like most people, so maybe I'm wrong. I never met him. So I will, when I, the only time I'd ever not interacted, but been in the same room with them was when I saw Zero Dark 30. And he was there at the same screening. He didn't make a rockist in the theater.

Seemed like a nice guy in me. Didn't talk, didn't have a cell phone on. Good with me. Shoot quiet. All right. He did start dancing on a piano, but other than that, you know, good to go. We just accept it. I'm trying to think.

I've only had maybe one or two instances where, where there was a celebrity that I was like, oh, you're a prick. Yeah. Like, you know what I mean? And other than that, like, for the most part, it's been pretty good,

especially like being on set, like that, I think there's also a different air sometimes. Here's what, here's this, and this is this, again, personal experience as well, but too, but what I would say is it,

it's very hard to judge people off of one interaction. A hundred percent of, and one thing, too, especially when there's a matter of, you know, like, look, we don't know what the guy

was going through in his personal life. We don't know what he's doing. And again, I know nothing about it. I mean, it could be a terrible human being. I have no idea. But from what I'm saying is that if someone meets you have a bad day and they automatically go, oh, he's a jerk to me.

And someone else goes, I mean, look, Tommy Lee Jones is a grouchy old man. Yes. Can you say that? Yes. Why? Because every person you talk to interviews says the same thing. He was grouching to me. And that's like, if a hundred people interview Tommy Lee Jones and they're like,

he was really grouching to me, then he's grouchy. But like Harrison Ford, we both had good interactions with. And like a lot of people say he's not. So like, you do need to understand the grain of salt of the situation. There was even a situation There was a show I was on Where the lead actress Had just had a kid

Like four months prior Yeah And human beings And had to come in Much earlier than everybody else Because of all the makeup She had to do with everything And I had been warned

Ahead of time That maybe she was kind of Grouchy And so when I got there She'd like Other than the line she had to say to me I was like Oh hey I'm Winston

Love Blum She's like yeah Okay And I was like That was kind of But I remembered like, okay, she's had, her name has been going since three this morning. Yeah. And then after that, I knew somebody else on the show.

And she saw me like, like, hey, what's so? Like whatever. She was like, oh, you guys know each other? I was like, yeah. She's like, oh, okay, well, it's good to like actually meet you. I'm sorry. I kind of blew you off before. And like that's.

And then that's the thing with people. And I try not to. And like you said, the Tommy Lee, though, the amount, the volume of it changes my perspective. I get it. I understand. It doesn't change the fact that you hate him. It doesn't help. It doesn't help. You know, just the end of the day, it's how I connect and it's dark.

It's true. It took me 10 years to C.C. Biscuit. But jump it back to this. Back to Spider-Man. I actually, one of the biggest things that I really appreciated about this, again, we were talking about the fact that he made his web shooters. It then, because one of the dangers that happens a lot to Spider-Man, it seems like Batman always has infinite battery. He runs out again. He runs out of either webbing or the shooter's malfunction or they break.

So in this case, Lizards destroy the most of that. I like that. I like that. That was awesome. And the science mind of both of them. Exactly. So now he has to come up with a different way to solve his problem and he can't use his webbing, which is his typically like end-all be-all solution to stuff.

And the first two acts that use the webbing so well with the different type of the hips and the pullbacks and the tens of strength. They do the New Yorker thing again in this one too. This time to C. Thomas Howell, not doing the best New York accent. I'll let it pass because it's C. Thomas Howell. We need the crates. Get the crates. I like this New York better as far as the moment.

So Winston, do you think in in 2021 C. Thomas Howell could get away with soul man? I think the answer to that is no. I don't think it's going to go well for him. I don't think it's going to go well for him. How he survived that to this day. Yeah. It's crazy.

He's day golden. Crazy. Stay golden pony boy. But he shows up. He shows up in this one. And it's funny when, because he's in that scene. He's, we talked about the kid. He's the dad.

And when he, when he's in that, I go, is that C. Thomas? How? I'm like, that's all the use him for it. Then he comes back for a pretty big moment at the end. But yeah. He gets to represent New York. Yeah.

But there's a great moment when you're like, that guy's vaguely familiar. And then later when he comes back, like, that's why they cast them. Oh, it took me a minute. Red Dawn, baby. Red Dawn. Well, the funny thing that I was noticing about that whole situation. And maybe you can just tell me this is a New York thing because it's, it also happens to the Avengers. This idea where it's like, hey, I go get call on the phone. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He's like, I'm not doing that. We got to go. And he's like, I don't care what you said. Get call on the phone. We got to help this dude and save my kid. Like, it's terrible. New York accent, but like, you see, like, this, I love that it feels even more genuine New York.

And then, like, you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us. Yeah, that was more like, get it. Come on, what are you doing? Get it done. Get it done. Get them on the phone. Hey, listen, I've got to be honest with you. You know, I'm sitting here in my pajama pants.

You want me to go help the guy in a mask? You know, why can you figure out? They're shooting around on webs and you want me to what? I'm not getting my crane. Am I getting overtime? I am getting overtime? Yeah, they're literally yelling at overtime in the movie. I'll be there in 20 minutes.

I'll bring a slice. I do. And I have a theory about that. I think the East Coast, both New York and Boston, there's a certain multi-generationalness to it because people have been in those cities for hundreds of years versus L.A., which is historic with a 40-year-old building. And then the resilience of the cold, there's a certain stubbornness to East Coasters.

So I feel like this tribal brutality of like, everyone thinks New Yorkers and Bostonians are angry and hate them, but we just like protect our own. So I feel like it's more about protecting within than pushing out. And I think in these movies we get to see that because Spider-Man's one of theirs. I'm going to go ahead and use my one for the day. there's also a lot of you motherfuckers.

That's true. There's a level of, no. Leave me alone. There are so many people. I don't know you. And so there's a level of respect for other New Yorkers and other Bostonians, but there's also a level of like, I don't know you from Steve, so go away. I was so funny, I had this thing I was going to talk about in New York where like with New Yorkers,

when you're in New York and you're walking around, everyone's like mean mugging each other. And it's just like, what? What do you know what? What are you going to say? But then if I run into you in California, Oh, where are you from? You're in Brooklyn? I'm Queens.

I'm Queens. Hey. It's like we form an army out here. Oh, immediately. You're part of the neighborhood? Yeah. And if you're in New York, you live 20 minutes away. Nah.

If you're here, oh, that's only like 20 minutes away. Go back to your neighborhood. Yeah. Well, y'all, y'all treat it the same way. A lot of us treat family when you're like right there with them. But then when you, like, see each other or family, you're like, hey, Carl, I don't know why Carl is the only Carl's one member of your family. Oh, Louis.

Just Louis. Hey, Louis. And Louis. And, wow. Oh, we down here in South Beach. It's been a bit. It's been a bit. Hey, you know, I was in Los Angeles.

Ready to go to San Monica Boulevard. And he was living over on the other side. And then when we lived on the other side, we didn't really get along. But we lived in California, man, I drove to San Diego because those people are stupid. Yo, but the minute you land back at JFK. Hey, oh, get the fuck out of my way. You're not sharing that cab. When you're going on a drive,

you're cool. But I think you feel that in these Spider-Man movies. You don't feel that in the modern MCU to me. You don't get a sense to New York? No, they establish New York pretty well in this movie. Yeah. Yeah. And I thought, like, there's a lot of, and the, what is it?

You didn't mention, you mentioned yesterday on a phone call, but when the shots, the video game shots. Oh, the POV of him swinging through the city. And he literally climbing at first. Yeah. And then he lands and the mirror shots you launch into yourself and you're like, you feel like Spider-Man. Yeah.

I dug that too. There's a lot of stylistic. things in this that I do like. It's not, there's not much, like, Stylo, it's pretty gorgeous as far as like in Spider-Man film. This is the first Spider-Man movie that ever came out, and this is the first images that you saw. You'd be like, wow, this is everything I envisioned as a kid. It's just the over, like I said, I just don't love this story.

Like, I just don't love this story. It's not, it's not acting that bothers me. There's really not too, too much stuff. The score is, yeah, it's all right. It's not one of James Horner's best. But the story to me is just not great. There's a lot of stuff that they do in that the stuff that does work in this is the same type of stuff that works in the Ramey. Sure.

It's the essence of Spider-Man. Yeah. That's the stuff that works. I understand, however, being very clear about this, that they had to switch it up. And the reason they went with this storyline, what people don't realize or may not realize is this movie came out in 2012. The only reason that Sony did this movie and didn't do the fourth Ramee is because of contract. And they couldn't get Ramey to agree. and they didn't want to lose the property

so they had to make a Spider-Man movie so they did it and because it was so it was only what 10 years or 9 years attached from the first Spider-Man. Yeah. Or something like that. Only 5 from the 3rd. They were filming it within. It was 10 years 9 or 10 years, whatever from the first one

but yes but then in the third like 4 or 5 years from the last one so they said we're too, we're not that far removed from Ramey so we got to change things up a bit. Tone's got to change. The story should change a little bit. They probably grabbed from that comic book that you were talking about. Let's make it part of his

parents. We haven't seen that yet. Yeah. So I get it. I see a producer going like, what are we missing? What haven't we done? Let's grab. Because the lizard definitely felt like that. Because to me, I was like, wait, they used Kirk Conner's in two and three heavy. And they were like, we haven't gotten our Dylan Baker lizard. So we've got some lizard's... That's probably exactly what it was. They took stuff from what they were going to use in the fourth ones.

And then David Fincher was supposed to do the first Spider-Man movie before Sam Ramey signed up. He was supposed to do the day of Dinkgoin' Gwen Sacey dies. So what his, David Fincher's Spider-Man. Me too, man. Can you imagine? So his movie was going to be the opening credits of Spider-Man's origin, and then the whole movie is about Gwen Stacy dying and the vengeance of Spider-Man. The second movie, Death Gwen Stacy. It's not a coincidence. Sony's like, we got these scripts. We got them. Use them. And let me ask the question, what if?

What? I would absolutely have seen that. Can you imagine? Not bad, right? Not bad, right? Yeah, so bad. But David Fincher doing anything I'm in. Imagine him doing a Spider-Man before Sam Ramee. So there's no association, no content. Like, oh. That's what I'm saying, man. That would have been absolutely wild. And I will say I appreciate the fact that for the most part, they continued to move forward. They obviously had to retcon a few things in there that some of it that worked, some of it that didn't. But I appreciate the fact that they didn't rehash out.

Like we didn't see a single thing of Harry or Norman. No wrestling. You got the ring. At the end. At the end. So is that who is that? So in the prison cell? Yeah.

Who's in that thing? What's going on in that post-crime? This is the crazy shit. Oh, I forgot to watch the post credit. Okay. Okay. So, this is my favorite shit. First of all, let's, so the post credit scene itself is lizard boy sitting in the jail cell.

And then it says something about going after Peter in the shadows and someone with a hat shows up, right? Is that right? Yep. Okay. So the guy that gathers those people in the comic books is literally in three frames of Amazing Spider-Man Annual Number. one. There is a single individual that just his only thing is a hat. So for some reason, some producers like, this character

is important. He never shows up again. He's in one comic for three panels. The Sinister Six don't, it doesn't matter. Like, usually Doc Ockgathers them. Usually, like, one of the dogs. So he's like dollar or kingpin, one of the two of them. He's like dollar store Nick Fury. He's like, yeah, he's like 10 cent Nick Fury. He's literally, he's three frames of a comic.

And then in the post credit scene, everybody's like, oh my God, who's that? And every comic book fan is like scowering. Do they bring him back in number two? No. No. But I remember being so. With, like, who this mystery man was. And then I found it was a guy that was in three frames that even I didn't know.

And it was one of the biggest disappointments of my life. It was like, guys, post-credit scene, guy with a hat, who could it be? Because I remember when I saw it, I saw it in the theater and we're like, oh, is that, is that Norman Oswald? Yeah. That's what we thought it was. That's what it wanted us to think. Yeah. But it's, I, but see what would be really funny about that is what if at the time, Mark Webb was like, yo, they're already eating up these post-credit scenes because there was the one at the end of, like X3, which is a terrible movie.

But, you know, you get, you get, all of a sudden, you know, Professor X, alert, like transporting himself into a coma patient, so like now he can be reborn and all that. Right, right, right, right. So, like, um, I have a movie does stink like farts. It's not good. Oh, he does come back in the next one. I totally forgot about him. Yeah.

So he's literally a guy. He's known as the gentleman, because of writing, uh, that showed up for the first time in those three panels. He brings together to Sinister 6. He doesn't show up again. They made him a really big deal. And then the commas retroactively added some more. So, but what's crazy is who plays him.

Ralph Biscuits. It's Michael Mask. who killed the crow. It's the guy that shot Michael, Brandon Lee. Oh, man. So he hadn't, he'd like retired from acting for a while, came back. And that's what he did. Wow. Yeah. Well, that actually, actually segues us into our topic of why we started this series in the first place of how it overall ties into No Way Home, right? So that's the question. You guys have brought it up many times over about how whatever the deal was that Marvel made with Sony, because at one point it looked, remember that big controversy where it looked like, it was. It was over. It wasn't going to be a third.

It wasn't going to be a third. 2019. Right. Wasn't going to happen. It was over. It was done with this. There's no more continuation of Tom Holland, Spider-Man. It's done because they can't be on the same page.

And then there was the big thing that came together. They figured it out. What was in the contract, right? So because they obviously, this movie. Yeah. Does he, is this the last MCU movie that he shows up? You certainly think this is the last one. I think it's the last MCU film and I think he cameos or does some light flat.

I think there's another. I think there's another scene of him in another movie, because that's what his contract is, is one lead, one supporting. Is that what it is? But that's it. But they could renegotiate, but I don't think they want to

because Sony needs this cash case. So a spoiler then, so spoiler then, Winston, for you guys, because, and this is spoiler for everybody else who has not seen Venom. I haven't seen it either, but I saw Venom too. I didn't see the second one, so, but I know Venom sees Spidey and he sees Jay Jonah Jameson. Oh, he sees Jay Jonah talking about Spider-Man,

and then Spider-Man on like, a previously recorded video just like looking off in the distance and then Venom's like, this guy, right? I hate that guy. Yeah, well, like, I want to say like Venom is like intrigued and is like

I kind of want to like eat that guy. Yeah, you're like, and like, and then Tom Hartley Brock. Eddie Brock is like, I don't like that guy. Yeah, yeah. So, so that then sets up a lot of questions and it really scratch.

I know people gave you crap about it, Coy, but like the idea. About what? The idea that he's going to be trapped in Sony. The Tom. It's called no way. home. And he can't get back to the MCU and he sticks around in the

Sony universe, right? And that then ties into a lot of this other stuff, like the guy with the hat, right? We know Sinister Six, does that guy come back again? I know the lizard is in a couple frames of that trailer. We get the lizard in the movie at some point. And I think, honestly, I think... The trailer? In no way home,

there's like two frames of lizard. What? No, Electro's in it too. Electros. And then briefly, briefly, Sandman, which I theorized. Well, okay, okay. So my only... I knew Electro, but we've also heard of Jamie Fox's casting. Right. That we know. So that's fine. But I guess in my brain, I don't trust any of it just because we've seen the MCU intentionally make trailers that are false. True. So like, oh, totally. So like the Hulk charging an Infinity War, it's the Hulkbuster. The fact that when Thanos attacks Captain America,

there's only two stones there, three stones there. And actuality has everything. Sure. Spider-Man not being in the Civil War trailer. A hundred percent. However, the thing is what people also might think right away, because you see Spider-Man, you see the guy. It doesn't mean that any of these people are going to be in the movie more than what the DeLorean was in and ready or not, or ready-player one. Because you could have all this stuff, because as they're jumping through the dimensions, right,

it could be quick, and you could see Sandman fighting against Peter or whatever, too, or fighting at someone else, and it's like, then he goes somewhere else. There could also be a scene. I think Dr. Strange might trap some of them because they're incursion events and they're trapped. I think the lizard is trapped in Dr. Strange layer.

And it's a proof of another multiverse intrusion. So it could be just a second of him. Speaking of what if and a cancel, a cancel. You cancel, what if? What did you say? Speaking of what if and a spoiler, if you will. Dark, Dr. Strange, I think we call him. He's not evil.

They were calling him Dr. Strange Supreme. Okay. So is that who we're seeing? I think so. I think that's a. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I see it. That's wild. Two frames, man.

I'd certainly think that that is a possibility. The only reason, though, again, you said you finish what if, he's now in charge of guarding Kilmonger and Ultron. I don't know necessarily if he has the time to do it. Right. Do it because he's now focused. Because that was my thought until the what if finale. And then I was like, I don't know.

There's just a lot for sure. And I'm wondering how much of Garfield. So Garfield, Toby McGuire, how much do we think that both these guys are going to be in the movie? Well, we still, so that's the other thing. I think Garfield will be there, but we still haven't gotten any confirmation that he is. No, he's been lying and saying that he's not. Which is beautiful work.

I love how he's handling this. The video of him talking to Kemmel and being like, I'm in the picture, I can't see it. Like that, that joke is so peak, Andrew Graham. It's also peak Spider-Man. He said, he said to Josh Harwitt. He talked to Horowitz. He talked to Harwich. He said, no, I'm not in it.

Yeah, that was one of the first things that, like, he had one of the first interview saying, like, no, it's not me. Not me. But like at the end of the day, we're going to find out some craziness. And I still probably only 10, 20 minutes at most. Yeah. I, I, I, that's still a lot. Oh, yeah, that most.

I mean, it's the third act. 20 minutes is a lot. You'll still, I mean, you're saying that you don't think the Sinister 6 is coming together until the third act. Yeah. Well, you see those, you saw those pictures that came out now with Doc Hock holding, Spidey. Oh, I haven't seen it.

I think Doc Ock's the main villain. I think the Sinister 6 will form throughout the film. Got it. So maybe maybe a situation where you end up, either we're in another universe or, or we've accidentally merged one over here. So Doc Ock is the one that's in the way. And then he was like, I can't be. There's too many Spinovus.

Will we see Tom Holland fighting the lizard, do you think? I think Tom Holland, so my theory, Tom Holland goes into other universes, bops around for a while. Fight some of them or no? Fight some of them. Or midway through that happens. And people have already come into ours,

and he has to solve it by going into theirs. This movie needs to be seven hours long. Mandatory. But I think the lizard is a quick hit that's in Dr. Strange's layer. That is a moment of just like proof that a multiverse exists. because you don't need to do a story with that character.

Right, just like, what the hell happened? What was that? So that's the first act. First act is characters coming into our world. No Spider-Man, no Docok. Now, does he jump in... All right, so when he jumps in an amazing Spider-Man, right? Like, when he jumps into that movie,

because that's the movie we're covering today, and he jumps into it. Now, does he jump into, like, a what-if type of Amazing Spider-Man? Or does he jump into the actual events of the Mark Webb film that we saw? And it's when the lizard is trying to do all these things. Dennis Leary is still alive at this time. Like that type stuff? Or is it just a completely different version of that. I think Sam Ramey will be jumping into the Sam Ramey universe and I think Andrew will be different.

I think they're going to show both and I think the best way to do that is everybody's got this loyalty to Sam Ramey's films. So they don't mess with that. I think that's why we've got so much Doc Ock and then I think Garfield is going to be the one that's different. I have a feeling that they're going to tap because we're talking one more day type stuff and all that and not. I think because we haven't heard about Kirsten Dunst being in this, right? There's rumors, but nothing solid. I would not be surprised if they actually went, As much as people hate one more day, but since it does involve a lot of retconning. So one more day is a storyline where after Peter reveals who he is,

obviously all his people hate him. And so a bullet is aimed for him, ends up killing it or fatally wounding Aunt May. And she's like in a coma. She's probably not going to make it. Mephisto comes up, which everybody keeps going on and on above Mepisto. He comes up and goes,

I'll save your aunt. But I want the one thing that is special beyond all things. Like, who needs souls? I want your love to marry Jane, your marriage. Like it will never happen and you can live if you do this. And so they debate it back and forth and then eventually they do it. And that was the point in time at which Peter and Mary Jane were no longer together. I would not be surprised if based off of what's happening there that that was a situation and that's what Toby's Maguire, Toby's spiders coming in is kind of dark.

Yeah. Where he's just like regardless of what's going on, something like that happened where maybe something happened to Mary Jane and Mary Jane was gone or. I would love for them to play in, though. I would love from the, this is just a dream scene. that will never happen. But I would love for Tom Holland and Andrew Garfield to team up, right, together. And then they jump into Spider-Man 3 and they see him jumping on the piano. And they go, stop this.

Stop this. Tom just lands on the sidewalk and stops him from dancing. This is going to be a mistake. You don't want to be a meme is what he should say. Oh, Deadpool 2, when he goes and shoots the, the, the, sold-up mouth, Deadpool. Yeah, that with the Tom Holland. I could almost see, I mean, they're not going to do this because obviously Toby's going to be more in the film. but I can see them showing up in his universe

and seeing him doing the finger gun thing and they go, yeah, we don't need his own. And they get back in the corner. We're going to go to the other direction. Now we're good. We're going to go back a little earlier. You were doing great about a year ago. Not this one, not this one.

That would be actually funny. I mean, look, this movie is going to cause a lot of conversation. It is, I mean, but the reason I brought it up is, it does allow an opportunity where I just don't think, you brought this up, and I think it's a great idea. I just don't think they're going to have the balls to do it. And that is being able to start. if you wanted to do Amazing Spider-Man 3, right?

To do... Sam Ramey's 4? Same Ramey's 4. If you wanted to because it's like, well, you just set these two Spider-Man up, it's different universes, and now you can see where they continued on. Yeah.

And because of the Marvel machine, it's going to help kind of bring it in. I love the idea. I just don't think Sony will have the balls to do. But if I was in charge, that's what I would do. I would make three Spider-Man actively working, and then you get miles because you can. Right.

It's easier to enjoy it. introduce Miles in either Toby or Andrew's universe because he's not a kid. But will you confuse casual? Will you you confuse casual? I think we're getting to the point where people understand because in Spider-Verse explained quantum theory to children. Wait a minute. See, this is why I know you're

a comic guy who is so inside of our bubble. Totally. I bring up my friend John Pinto. He has no idea what you're talking about. Did he see into the Spider-Verse? I don't know. He might not even know it exists. And I'll say he's a movie fan. The way he finds, he didn't even, he doesn't even know that I talked, he's a massive

of Star Wars fan. Love Star Wars. Sure. Had no idea. He was, I said, dinner with him in New York. Had no idea there's an Obi-1 series coming out. He doesn't, he's not in our space. And, and, like, he doesn't, and he's not like the fans who are like, he didn't want to know about it. He sees it when it pops up on Disney Plus. Yeah. He watches it. He doesn't, he probably doesn't have, I'm going to try to call him. I'm going to try to call him, I'm going to try to call him a CV, he's probably working, but I want to try to call him and I'm going to ask him about, I know that he likes Spider-Man. and I don't think he is going to know anything about this or whether he's even seen the trailer.

But I'm going to try it. I told him, I mentioned him on the show. I'm going to see. Whenever Christian calls, you've got to wonder. I was like, is this on the air? He says it quickly. Well, he doesn't know. He's never been, but he may not pick up.

He's probably going to be, he's probably working a job. He's working a job in the city right now. But just the fact, well, I get on the crane. Do I get overtime for this on? He's not picking up. But I want to get him on to talk about the stuff to prove it. And that's what I mean, though. That's why, like, my wife, my wife, who is part of this, part of, you know, is connected because of me.

Has no idea what the hell's going on with Spider-Byr. Yeah. But I think that's the whole thing. I think part of it, I actually disagree with you. I think that this is a way, and I had said this in one of the other reviews, I think this is a way for Sony and Disney to continue to get along, where their deal is still some form of what it is, maybe more favorable terms for Sony or something, but I think that they have so cemented that Spider-Man has become like an important part and almost, again, setting it up as

like he's a replacement for Tony and blah, blah, blah, I think there's going to be a situation where they allow Holland to continue to do what he needs to do. He may never solo a film again, but he might be all over Revengers films. He might be a... You know what I'm saying? Things like that. And I think that that even speaks to what Holland said in his interview, whether he's pulling our chain or not, of like, this is the end of the homecoming trilogy.

What else, what about if during this movie, the multiverse gets so screwed up, right? And Tom Holland does get lost. Yeah. That not that he's never going to come back, but in the mouth of madness, is that what it's called?

Multiverse of madness. Multiverse of madness. Yeah. I mean, the multiverse of madness means that there, something happened in that movie. And that is, it got moved for a reason. Yeah. What is the Multiverse of Madness about in the comics?

That's not a comic story. Okay, great. So, so you have full friend. Then it could absolutely be, yeah, whatever that hell happens. Now he's got, maybe he's trying to free Tom Holland from that, from that, maybe you get a few Sony movies in between. Yeah. And he still has, or, or you get the Dr. Strange, what is it, three, where he finally

freeze him or something. So there's a lot of stuff that you can do with it. And then also still set up. It would be great to have maybe Andrew Garfield in the next Spider-Man movie. with Tom Holland. I think the way to bring Miles in is do Andrew Garfield Spider-Man because you can't have Tom Holland and Miles Morales at the same age. You can't have him like, he's supposed to be a mentor,

and it's supposed to be like, why is this kid two years old with me? Like my uncle Spider-Man, but if you have Andrew Garfield, who's now in his 30s, he's actually almost 40, but in the movie he'd be near his 30s, and you have him die and you bring in Miles as like the next wave of Spider-Man. Even specifically because it was, because Miles comes from the ultimate verse, so the fact that even the electro used by.

is ultimate. This is the ultimate election. Andrew's very much ultimate flavor. He's very much that style. I'm John Pinto

right now. I have no idea what you're talking about. So long story short, the main Marvel universe 616 for a while they were doing the ultimate verse which was very like,

even though it was like early 2000s. I'll understand that just as well. You know how in the 90s there was like everything's extreme like crossfire and like shit like that? You don't remember how 90s everything was extreme. They did extreme ghost busters at one point. We're like they were,

I don't. I don't. stickball. Okay, so imagine our universe is one way. And we talk about multiverse a lot. Multiverse theory. Imagine the universe that's just more modern. So 20 years newer.

Same story, same introduction. A little extreme. And it's more condensed. So imagine your favorite story of Spider-Man. And instead of being 120 issues, they made it like 10. So you get the greatest hits. Ultimate universe is the consolidated,

modernized version of the regular universe. So I think, that's a good, that's a good, you know what? It's now that's what I call universe. Think of, think of the ultimate universe in a lot of ways. I haven't seen all the visions yet,

but like that's stylistic where it was like, obviously that was more towards scaring towards anime. This was more like the 90s extreme, just like, yeah, I'm Spider-Man. Right, right, right. So Andrew Garfield's more of that.

It's a little edgier, it's a little hard. It's funny, and even when you're talking about how it just shows, you can tie it all back here to Amazing Spider-Man, what Andrew Garfield does very well, right? And granted, it's only one movie, as opposed to Toby's three,

but if you're going to tell me, who I want to mentor Miles Morales. It's not Toby McGuire, Spider-Man. Not even, he's a bad person. Well, by the third one, hard to argue. And the third one, hard to argue. I'm so used to you saying it. I just, I just absorbed it and didn't even think about it.

I was like, wait. But the first and second movies, even though I don't think he's a bad person. He's just, he's throughout from, from all, from one to three, he's selfish. Yeah. From one to three, he's selfish. Andrew Garfield, Spider-Man is selfish in this movie in the beginning, and by the end he is not. Right. And that to me is someone that I would like.

I think you're right. I would rather him be the one. I actually just want them to just have secretly been training Jake Johnson and make him like genuinely go be treated. He's ready. Like he's a little bit. Will there be any into the Spider-Verse? I think so. I think Spider-Hen.

I'm telling you, man. I love Spider-Ham in the thing. I don't want a Roger Rabbit situation. I could see Spider-Gwen, dude. I could see Spider-Woman. I could definitely see that. And I don't think it's going to be in the Spider-Verse what Roger Rabbit's really like pops onto this table.

I think they're going to be showing the multiverse and we'll see him. Something quick. Yeah. I don't think it's going to be like, hey. He's not going to actually have something to do it. But what would be, but you know what to be heartbreaking is if Andrew Garfield's character who's lost Quinn Stacey when we meet him in this and in the multiverse, he's with them.

And then Spider-Gwen shows up. And it's that when is a different way. It's like, it's like, what if, right? When, when Black Widow shows up at the end there and sees... You're not my Black Widow, but you're a Black Widow. You got Moxie Kid. That happens constantly in the comics. And it's really dark and harrowing.

So I think that's the beauty of these tones. That'd be great. You try to throw that in there. And we've seen that obviously, Fikey does that stuff. But anyway, there's a lot of tie-ins there, and it all ties back to all these movies. And that's hence why we're doing the rewatcher. This was Amazing Spider-Man. Now, you've got to do the Amazing Spider-Man.

Best costume. Best costume. The question is, what's going to be worse? Is it Spider-Man 3 or this one? I'm going to venture and say this one, because like I said, when I watched, I'm only, with this movie, the Amazing Spider-Man 2 came out of what, 2014?

Yeah. Okay, so that's only like seven years removed as opposed to, like, the 14 years that I was removed from part 3. And as bad as part 3 is, of Sam Ramey's, it wasn't as bad as we remembered it. It was watchable.

Yeah. Yeah, it was watchable. Is this movie watchable? I think we're going to forgive this more. that are for sure. Like I think the initial fight with Electro where he's saving people and like the spider sense and like he's literally calculating oh crap that lightning is like two seconds away. I remember a really bad extras in that scene though. I remember a really bad extras. I got to look for that. But Emma Stone and him alone is better than Spider-Man 3 to me. Well, I remember the, I do remember

the Gwen Stacy death at the end being pretty heartbreak. Their chemistry in this was like ripping you out of the scene. Like you're feeling that. I remember that. I remember thinking when I saw this movie, the best stuff in this movie is them. Because Mark Webb had just done 500 days of summer right before Spider-Man. Like, he's so good attention. He's so good relationships. Yeah. And then these two, like, so you get a director that's the king of rom-coms and friction.

And then you put a couple that actually starts being together. The chemistry is bananas. Like, it's curated. So I think we're going to love the chemistry more than we liked Spider-Man 3. But I could be wrong. So here's a test for you guys. Who did the score for The Amazing Spider-Man 2? I don't schmow down anymore.

That's right. Hans Zimmer. Oh, no shit. Really? Dune Zone. That is right. Actually, that's right. That's right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's, I mean, you can tell. I got to listen to it again. I got to see. I'm excited now. But I mean, that's the one I'm going to check out for sure. Looking forward to seeing it. Amazing Spider-Man 2.

And then after that, then we got the Tom Holland ones. And we start with Tom Holland. We're going to go, we're only doing, you know, with homecoming and then far from home. Are we not going to do like the scenes of him? I mean, I think that maybe after, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe. for when we're done with Far From Home like the last part of Far From Home, we'll just cover those scenes inside that. I don't know about doing a full

episode of it. I didn't think that. We'll watch the scenes and watch how it ties into it. Yeah, that, that works. I still think Civil War is the best better movie we've had. Like, I think Tom Holland in Civil War is really good and Civil War is so good. Yeah, but he's what, he's only in it for like 20 minutes. The movie's long, but like he's got a good chunk. It is. Which I was going to say, you were saying

this movie needs to, far, no way home needs to be like 12 hours. I would bet we get at least 2.30, 2.45. Yeah, it's going to be long. I'm being honest. Say 2.30. But yeah, yeah, I think it's 2.40, you're asking a lot of the audience. But, I mean, Eternals just did it.

And so did, uh, so do it. And both crushed. I mean, Eternal hasn't come out yet. And, and, well, I mean, also from the standpoint that again, this is, this being as big of a culmination as it is, they're going to, they're going to be like, we're never doing this again. So they probably will put more in it than less. They're calling it's Spider-Man Endgame.

So we'll see. Is that what they said. Yeah, that's the director said this week. I said that last week. He said it official. They're watching our show. They're like,

Hey, Tom. Why don't you say hi to Toby, dog? Toby right now has like a dark board and just coy's big red head. Just like throwing bar. It's that still earlier of me at Winston when you're like holding on me. That's the dartboard.

It's just me. He's got the hair combed all the way over right now. He's flipping his hair and throwing. He's not happy with you. He's throwing. Cards like Gambit. He's playing poker. What's tricky is like Leo's. I've had a couple interactions with DiCaprio and he's such a nice guy and their best

friends. I don't know. That's what I mean. I don't know the man. You don't know the man. Maybe he's great. It's not a good Spider-Man. It's not a good Spider-Man. You don't know the man. Maybe he's nice. Well, I know you guys. No, I don't. But what I will tell you is this. It's been a pleasure to do this show with both Winston and Coy, we ain't done yet. We got two, three, three movies definitely with... Four? What are we only four? What are you talking about?

Amazing Spider-Man, two Hollins and in the Spider-Verce. We got four more? That's what I said, right? Did I say three? You said three. We got four. We have four.

Counting. Math is great. So we have... We're halfway there. We did four. We got four. So we got 13 and a half movies left. We have these four movies left.

We got the Amazing Spider-Man 2. We got the two Tom Holland movies. And then we're going to close out with Spider-Verse. Leading in to No Way Home. And that's going to be a lot of fun. Can't wait to do it. We'll do for that movie. you guys know what we're going to do is we'll do a non-spoiler episode for sure and then we'll

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