The Kristian Harloff Show - REWATCH! The Dark Knight (2008)

Episode Date: February 18, 2022

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Now that's something to make noise about. Just not constantly. Progressive casualty insurance coverage provided in service by affiliates and third-party insurance. Take two. How would you know that? You wouldn't. Welcome back. It is the in-studio show. It is the dark night. Man, I'm ready to get going. Why did we take so long and start filming this? I wish I knew. Yeah, me too. So there's going to be a lot to talk about this one. It's the dark night. It's one of the most revered comic book movies of all time. Why are we doing this? Why are we doing this? I wish I knew. We're doing this because we have a full-on rewind. watch of the Batman live action movies. A lot of them anyway to get us prepared for the Batman. Robert Pattinson, Matt Reeves. It's coming. That's right around the corner. We did it for Spider-Man.

We did it for Matrix. Now we're doing for this one. And we wanted to get the crew back in studio together. And that is what we did here today. So it's the, it's the dark night. It's the second movie in the Nolan film. And we have a lot to talk about. It's myself. It is Winston, a Marshall and Coy, Jean-Drew. And before you do anything else, show a little class. Will you subscribe? Do it.

Hit the notification button. All the stuff that makes things happen. You know how to do. You just hit that subscribe button. Comment, all of it. All right. Let's get into it. It's a dark night.

Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. It is. Story watch. Oh, yeah. There he is. Oh, yeah, there he is. Excited. Oh, yeah.

There we are. Look at that. We're all in. studio. It's here. We're going to do this bit again since, you know, it got cut. And you know, but I actually think it worked out better because even though there's still close ups, yeah, when we did it, when we did it the first time, it was, and, and I still, and I think that it looks, it looks better now, even with the little black bars in between and I think everything else, it looks better. It looks better. But the studio, the studio is going to change, um, sooner than later, actually.

But we wanted to get it and coy was, coi was harassing us and saying, when are we going to get back in? When are we going to get back in? He was right. He Ledger joker does not deserve a Zoom treatment. All right. That performance of a lifetime does not deserve us sitting in her house. You're not wrong. You're right. And on top of the fact that there's always that baby bit of delay on digital.

So like it really is us interrupting each other. And like Christian saying someone, oh, and then you're like, okay, go ahead. Listen. Right. Versus, I can watch your face. No, I know, especially when you do it when I was trying to set up the joke for. I wish I knew. And every time we, every time we tried to do it, you guys didn't know what's coming.

There were a few times that I was like, I was like, I'm like, Koi, you know, and you would talk over it, not knowing, and then you can't hear it on Zoom, because if you're talking, the audience doesn't hear it either. But now, I wish I knew. I didn't know. Why didn't we take a little bit more time with that? A turducat. Why did Christian have to have a second child? Apologies.

Totally different, different franchise. Apologies. Yeah. Do me a favor, please? What's that? Get out of here. Get out right here, man. Shit.

This is the danger of being in person. Now we've got a full toolkit. We don't have. But we're not doing that. We didn't have it before. The toolkit is this movie, gentlemen. It's got everything. What a toolkit.

It's got everything. For people who are saying that this movie is just a Joker movie, shut up. Because it's not. It's got so much more. Batman's a full-on detective in this one. There's more Batman screen time in this one than either of the Burton films. Tim Burton,

used him as the background, whereas I think they used Joker here. He's in it only 38 minutes. He's not background, but he's such a force that every time he's on screen, it's all you remember. Like you think about him for minutes after. So I think people think he's in it more than he is. But Joker's the catalyst for TwoFaces, arguably the big undercurrent.

Like Two Faces are lessons learned. Joker is the dog chasing cars and Batman is the movie. Yeah. No, I, a thousand percent. I actually, I mean, I still think that Batman is at the center of it, but for all the people that are constantly like, oh, I didn't get enough Gotham. I didn't get enough Gotham.

This to me, it was about Gotham. And specifically, it may not be about the little people of Gotham, but this is, and you get some of that on the boat. Right. But this is specifically about the key players of Gotham. You're talking about the mayor, the commissioner, the Joker, Batman, the DA, the assistant DA. And the third movie's about the little people.

Like the first movie is about fear and the origin. And Batman. The second movie is about what choice is to each character. And the third movie, which you were talking about. about in our first take, which I want to get into, because that was incredible. I like your perspective. And the third one is about what is Gotham, which means you're going from the ground up. Right. So you need this second movie, which is the beautiful linchpin. And I also love that it's a movie about Two-Face. Yeah. And it's a movie about his philosophy. And it's a movie about

philosophy. And Joker gets to be this agent of chaos that causes all of these people to look at their lives differently. And I was saying that I think every time you rewatch this movie, you get a different experience because you're a different person. Right. This time I experienced it very much in Aaron Nackard's perspective. I really get what Harvey Dens gone through because the more we live in this world, the more I understand the lack of faith in man. And all Aaron wants, I mean,

all Harvey wants is to be the white knight that believes in people. And he just keeps having himself proven wrong. The movie's about Harvey Dent losing his faith in mankind. But he's been proven right for a lot of it, though, but he's been proven a lot of it. Like when he's up until the point that his face gets, he's in,

when he gets captured by Ramirez, you know, he he's in a spot that they just won. They just won the battle. So he's, he's, when he gets captured, he's in a good,

good spot. Is Gotham proving that humanity's worth saving? That's, that's the moral of story. But I also, it ends with Harvey Dent not going so well. And that's where I feel it. I identify.

Well, to be honest with you, the funny thing about watching Harvey Dent is his, he doesn't have his hubris in check. And I think that's the biggest thing. There's a level of arrogance that's there with Harvey and you see it, including with the fact that the name Two-Face did not come, because of the scarring.

The name Two-Face was something of people who are calling him beforehand because he thinks he's untouchable. That, oh, yeah, I punched dude that pull guns on me in court. I'm a badass. Oh, I kidnap people that just attempted to kill the mayor and kill the commissioner. And I'm a torture you because I'm a badass,

but you have to understand that they're... He is bad ass. I'm not saying he's not, but remember, that's the same reason. But he's carrying it, but he's carrying it around and showing people. But I think that that's also one of the things I really liked about this movie is the fact that, like, you could look at it because,

Bruce Wayne is trying to just give the mantle up. And he's like, I finally found somebody. This guy's good. He's trying to give it away. He's like, I'm not the Batman. He's not the Batman. He's not the Batman. And I do love that, that idea.

I mean, I think that it, once again, when you watch it, I've seen this movie so many times, but every time you watch it, you just appreciate how well written it is. Yeah. It's so quotable. But besides just great, great quotes on, it's like everything about it and then the story beats and the structure beats

and the fact that Rachel and him have that kiss, And you're like, and you carry it over. You have to separate the fact that you remember the Katie Holmes part of it is the way that. And that's what I said in our last one is that even though I don't think Katie Holmes was the strongest actor in the last one, I still would have liked to see her carry on the role because it's a, it's a me thing. Like I just like to, I don't like to. That's the person I got attached to in that role.

Right. And now there you can. And it's nothing against Dillenha because I happen to think she's a way better actress. And I think that if she would have been in the first movie, then. The first one would have been stronger. Yes, 100%. Yeah. stuff I buy way more of Maggie General. But I think Maggie General is great. My point is, though,

through all that with knowing the relationship with Rachel and Bruce, that they share that kiss and then the whole reason that he's upset and Alfred gives him the card after Rachel dies and she says, I'm going to, and it shows her character. It's what I loved about it. Because when they give that kiss, she's like, oh man, she's just going to leave dent out on the road. She's just going to pull a Mary Chain Watson. Yeah, I was going to say, you know what this is the opposite of? Spider-Man, 100% because she's like, I've thought about it. And I, and I, And I know what I told you, but I love this guy. Yeah.

And you don't want to let Batman go. And she knew. And it just made the character stronger. I love that each and every character has their own arc that's justified, unlike the Sam Ramey Spider-Man films. And I'm only bringing that up because that's what we just watched. But when I rewatch the Sam Ramey Spider-Man films as an adult, I struggled more with character choices. When I re-watch this every time as I get older, I like the character choices more. The simple fact that with the exception of Joker, because him being this agent of chaos,

so his decisions are already kind of premeditated a little bit. the only one I can think of maybe is when they don't blow up the boats, he seems at a loss. Because for him, his plan has been going off without a hitch the entire time. You didn't think everyone was as terrible as you. Right. Exactly. He literally looks lost when that happens, right? But otherwise, even the simplest little thing with Alfred, where he's watching Bruce and he's trying to be a support and he's watching the Rachel thing go down.

He's giving his sage advice as Alfred does. But then he has to make the decision of like, I need to be real with you and about giving the note from Rachel. but then seeing how he was just like, because she was going to do it, man. She was just poor hard. Why take that away from him? Yeah, why take that away from him?

Because he knows so well that if he does it, it will completely break Bruce and go send him to another dark place he doesn't want to necessarily send him to that he's already in. This might be the best Alfred because of the Burma stuff.

They talk about it, my 6, Alfred. He's still paternal, he's still all those things. Is that a thing in the comics? Oh, yeah. He's a badass. There's flashback comics,

but he's the lead. That's why they gave the Petty War show. Yeah, actually epics, There's a show in epic that's actually great. It's not HPS on Max now. It's literally, I've seen, I've seen the,

I haven't seen the show, but I've seen like the, it's James Bond Jr. It's dope. Is it? It's a really good show. Yeah, I didn't know enough about it.

I just knew that that, that worked out really well. And just, and besides Alfred, Lucius Fox has a lot more to do with this. And even, I love the thing. He's like,

I can't, this machine being around. Like, I, I didn't sign up for this. And Bruce knows. He knows. He loves that.

Yeah. Dude, But that's the other beautiful thing about it. Choice. Once again, it was like you choose, either choose to trust me or don't. But like once this is over, if you choose to trust me, put in your name and see what happens.

The fact that even the dude that tries to blackmail, it's like, choice, what you won't do? Do you really want to try and screw over a multi-billioner? I love that line. The guy that beats up people, that's here trying to blackmail. He's like, that's your plan. And then the guy still does it.

And then Bruce winds up saving him again. And he's just like, that look. That look is why I think he's a better Bruce Wayne the people give him credit for. I agree. That look right there, those two seconds. Also,

while we're on Mr. Reese, can we acknowledge there's four Batman villains in this movie and they managed to make it work? Mr. Reese was the Proto Ridler.

You've got Scarecrow in the opening. Mr. Riddler, really? Yeah, the guy that's gonna reveal his name's Mr. Reese, Mr. Rizler.

Oh, I didn't catch that at all. Oh, is that that was that was the Riddler? He had that guy as like the Riddler kind of character. It makes sense only in the, as far as like, Riddler being super smart. There's a lot of different iterations

where he works for all sorts of corporations, but he does work for Wayne at some point. And he's inside Wayne. His name's Mr. Reese. And that was the thing. He wasn't even working at Wayne. He was a investigating of books. Exactly.

He was a separate consultant. No, I got a trivia question for you guys. True or false. Was there anybody from any one of the first four movies in this movie? The guy that Joker says reminds him of his father. Yeah, it says, oh, was he? Yeah, he's a producer. He's been on all of them.

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Is there another guy? Challenge. I challenge the question. An actual actor. An actual actor. Besides the producer. You could have made that up. I don't know if that's true.

I got nothing. Well, you're going to have to say true now, obviously, because I change it. Nikki Kat. Nikki Kat from Dazen Confused, who he's in this movie. He's in the car with Gordon, with Gordon, thrill line. And he's basically navigating saying, like, we go there. We're going to be sitting duff. and he's the whole time he's talking.

He's exquisitioned city, but he's in Batman and Robin for like a split second. Oh, wait. During the racing scene with Corey Hame, who we never brought up to him by the way. You know Corey Hames in that scene also? I did not know. I didn't know that either until recently, yeah. Well, I was going to say, so that was the beauty of it.

Remember, we talked about and begins how you had the cops saying the things going through our mind. So I love that they did it. It's essentially like a call, like having seen begins a week prior. Right. I connected the dots because I didn't know. We're in the car. We're going to tell you what's going on.

Here we go. just like, oh God, that's dangerous. We're going to go down here. We're going to be sitting ducks. Is that a bazooka? 100. Well, that guy. And I wonder how they convince them to come back.

I wish I knew. Oh, that's true. Now, can we give, now, we've talked about the themes. We've touched on the philosophy. And everyone that's in the YouTube comments is going to say, like, Corey's too deep in the movies. But this one, you cannot deny that there are so many beautiful existential questions about the meaning of humanity about what it means to be a person that lives in a city,

what it means to be responsible, it means to be a hero. The end of this movie is about being chased. for your beliefs and that's the greater good. That's what he has to do. I was just going to add on to what you're saying. People saying you read too much in the movies, clearly you can't say that about this Nolan trilogy because if you've ever seen a Nolan film,

that is actually always doing the one thing you're told to do is to answer the question. He wants you to think as a viewer. It's also interesting like reading those comments on any movie, whether it's, I don't even know what a surface movie would be, but like Armageddon, art is meant to be interpreted So anyone that gets mad that you don't say, you say a certain hue of blue instead of blue.

Yeah, you can watch a movie and call it blue, or you can say it's periwinkle blue and look into it. So watch art however you want, but if you want to actually interpret art and experience art, look into it and how it makes you feel. And this movie does a great job of being an action film that you can go, ooh, shiny, big boom, or you can look at how you perceive which character you identify with,

and that might change over time. And even the start of it, and I think that, remember that at the time when this movie comes out, it was similar to when Keaton was announced as Batman. Everyone's like Keaton as Batman. Same thing with Heath Ledger as a Joker. Now everybody puts him as the goat. But and some people.

That first shot came out, man. Like as soon as that first shot came out, people got real quiet. That first shot. And when it comes out and he does any, and the other, that scene is very, very much so, um, an homage to Michael Mann's heat. Yes. And from the, everything about it from the, and even watching it today, I watched on a bigger screen, but I remember seeing that opening in IMAX.

And that's when like the whole. movies could work now whole movies are in iMacs but at the time it was ground it was like the first 12 minutes right yeah well not just that's all he's got to see was that was that first 12 minutes yeah because he so he screened it and then he passed two weeks later wow but they had those 12 minutes that but there's also another scene inside of the movie when he goes to hong kong oh there's also i'm all the exterior scene because you're i watched it on my blu-ray that has the expand it expands out to the tv and it's like so i remember seen that just been blown away but like that opening scene and everyone william freaken comes in and

And I guess freaking actually. Yeah. Love the shotgun banker. Like freaking just being like clearly a mafia banker. It establishes Gotham. Everything about it. I take back something I said in Batman Returns. I think Nolan's Gotham's great.

I said that I think that the Schumacher Gotham has more of a character. There's a character here. It's just subtle. It's more. It's real. It's real like everything else from like the Joker and the way the Joker is being HIPS. And that makes the character.

But what he does though, too, is that because I like how clever this movie. he is. And this movie throughout it, whether it's the maniacal shit that the Joker's doing with the little games that he plays, whether it's the stuff with Harvey and Rachel, whether it's the thing with the boat, all these different things. And he starts off right off the bat, telling you, like, he's just

he puts these people on the job and then he tests them because he knows, he doesn't give a shit about the money. He knows that they do. So he basically test them and says, I'll give you a bigger share if you kill this guy. Because he doesn't want anyone else standing. He knows humans so well. Right. And the corruption

of what makes us soul, at least he thinks, you know, and ultimately that's thwarted at the end. Um, shout out to thwarted. But, you know, but, but, but either, but either way, either way, like you set it up going, oh, that's what this guy's going to be about. All right, let's do it. I think that honestly, what Joker's able to represent is what a lot of people think freedom is.

And I think it's really interesting that the people that are attached to the Joker character are people that think that's the way to solve problems. And I think that's the danger of the character is, you know, you've got all these like Joker bros that have become really problematic. And, There's an entire subculture of people that thinking that the answer, but it's the immaturity of believing that chaos can solve problems. Inherently, this movie shows that chaos isn't the answer.

It's a problem that solves some things, but it's not the solution. All it does, honestly, all chaos has a tendency to do is that if you were not listening to the question, it makes you pay attention to it. It shows you the problem, but it does not solve it at all. You're right. If anything, it makes more questions and more problems. And that's what freaks me out about this. Like I love the Joker.

He's my favorite villain. Like, Joker as a character. And Heath Ledger's Joker. Like, this is everything to me. This guy right here. But it's kind of like the Tyler Durdin thing. If you think Tyler Durdin is the hero of fight club, you're watching the wrong movie. Like, you're interpreting it wrong.

If you watch Joker, Waukeens or Heats and go, that's the guy. You misinterpret what a protagonist is. And what I'm really worried about in society is the more we regress into isolation, whether it's because of the pandemic or because of the social media or because of the Metaverse, more we're going to be in the echo chamber of only talking to people like each other. and more Joker type archetypes are going to form in real life. You're going to end up with what ends up happening at the end of Joker, where all of a sudden now everybody wants to idolize, like what you're saying,

but they become their mini jokers. Exactly. And that's not good. That's not the solution. We need more Harvey Dent's because he's flawed, because he needs to grow, because he needs to see this. And we need more people like Christian Bales,

Batman, specifically to go, I can't be the savior at all times. I need to pass this mantle. No one can shoulder that forever. And even Gary Oldman, like he gets promoted to commissioner. and there's so many things about honor and knighthood

and passing the torch. Because you could argue the dark night in this film is Gary Oldman, Aaron Eckart, Joker, or Batman. So much. And then like even when, you know, he's, because it's heartbreaking. It's heartbreaking what happens to, Dan, because you like him so much and everything. And he, and, and bail likes him, so we like him, right?

And this is a guy who's dating his ex-girlfriend, but he realizes he's not going to be petty about it. He's like even, because she even says, I know when you're, I know you well enough when you're teasing. You don't know him well enough, because he actually does care. And he does care. And it's heartbreaking when he falls, you know, his face lands on. He's trying to save her.

And then his face catches on fire. And then that lady walks out and she says, He needs some milk. Right, right. And it was a really bizarre. That was the off credit scene. But I'm about, salient scenes. They cut that out.

People didn't know that that's where the meme started. That's where it started from. It was right there. Party done. But that whole, was pretty heartbreaking though overall and then you know once that he just snaps because he's he's got the physical pain the emotional pain joker is is with him and i he's he's ledger i mean obviously it's just so like duh to say how brilliant of a performance it was but like he's just

such a freaking maniac in this movie like just so and and by every definition of the word in what yeah and it has a mission and in the same way that like like that like And we can bring it up like Thanos. You know, he's got his mission and he doesn't, he knows he's evil. He knows he is. He doesn't, he doesn't care. He knows, he knows what, and that's why Alfred says some men just want to watch the world burn. Yeah.

I honestly cannot, I give Joaquin a lot of credit. I obviously give Jack Nicholson credit. We don't talk about Jared Letto, or at least I don't. There is not, I do not, I do not know if we'll ever see anybody touch this performance, not just as the Joker, but maybe, maybe as a performance. Like I'm honestly thinking about all of the things that I've seen and I know it seems like I'm maybe going to be a little You know bias because it's Batman one of my favorite heroes all that stuff but genuinely if you just Look at what he did and all of the the little nuances mid dialogue sentences

He would change his inflection mid sentence. He'd surprise himself like yes it was a ventriloquist of his own mind He was able to get into a role that he was able to manipulate himself in and like whether it's the interrogation scene whether it's the Aaron Rckart bed, hospital bed scene. Everyone was playing at the top of their game. And Michael Kane forgot his lines. The scene where he busts into the penthouse, that was the first time Michael Kane had met Heath Ledger. And he forgot his lines for the first time in his career.

Dude, all of that. I even think about the very first time we see him and he's obviously got the clown mask on to you. But when he falls to the ground, he's trying to skirt up against the thing. Even the physicality of trying to hide behind. I was like, dude. Nothing working like it.

Well, even when he walks in, he walks into the mob, hide out and he's the pencil trick. And it's all so darkly funny. The sense of humor I think of this Joker is my favorite sense of humor for Joker. Because it's really actually funny, but it's all depraved. Like nothing about it should be funny, but I'm laughing my ass off. Yeah, because he just, it's, it's that bringing that charisma that he naturally had as a human being

inside of this. Dude, he was 28. That's wild. He was, so he played that at 26, 27. Wow. Can you imagine? Was he really that young? Yeah, he died to 28, dude.

The other thing about it that's so interesting, is that you've not just a performance. You have to give Nolan a lot of credit for how he wrote the Joker because he wrote him to be what Joker really is. He is sadistic as hell, but he is a certified genius. Yeah, he is.

In the sense that even think about when you get to the abandoned building where Batman's trying to come in and swats, busts him to try and stop this whole thing, right? You have put all of the hostages in clown outfits and duct tape guns to them. And then let's... Dude, he stuck a phone in a guy's belt.

That stuck a phone in someone's belly. You had to set up the two boats of prisoner. I mean, obviously did not work out, but you got everybody to flee. But he also, but he also, but kidnapped by Commissioner Gordon. He didn't know if Gordon was going to that prison, that whole setup. And then you look at it. You're like, yeah. But he also, but besides that, he also has like this David Koresh thing going on too

because he gets people to put phones in their belly. He gets people to follow him because, I mean, he even gets Harvey Dent to to follow him, right? Because there's something that kind of rings true to it. and he puts you in this position, like the stuff, the boat thing is brilliant because it's like, here you have all these criminals

because, and both sides of it, you have to start thinking, right? If you're on that boat, you're like, well, okay, here's all these criminals.

And besides the fact of whether or not, like what a lot of these people were saying when they're going, they deserve it, they made their choice. If you don't feel that way, the other side of it is, well, there's got to be somebody who is so maniacal over there

who's in there for a reason. That's probably going to push the button. So maybe we should. And then the flip side of that is the criminal's saying, they probably don't think, very much of us. So they're probably going to take us out. I want to redeem myself in life.

Maybe I have a chance to take them out. Two-minute performance by Tiny Lister. Oh, incredible. Oh, man. Jesus kills it. Oh, dude, rest in peace. Yeah, what a moment. That's what's sad is to,

because I think it's maybe it's only just those two, but to see both of both Heath and Tiny just gone like that. And that, and that, I'm so used to see him as Debo. I'm so, you know what I'm saying? Like, Zeus, too.

Like, it was, it was, it was, when I remember seeing him on, there. I was like, yo, Debo just about to murder everybody, but to see a very in-depth, calm, powerful performance. But that's what I'm talking about with the writing. So he goes up and he tells, and he tells the guy, because you've seen Tiny Lister in so many different

roles where he plays that, like, it's, this is what I liked about that casting because you don't know which way he's going to go. And his performance allowed for that. Yes, and in what he says, and inside of what he says, he says, I'm going to do what you should have done 10 minutes, 10 minutes ago. And when he says that, you could read it like, you can blow him up. Or you could look at it like. We should never had the option. And I love the fact that it showed, we have no backstory from that guy.

But what I know about him is that he is a respected leader because the second he walks over, nobody says shit. Yeah. And the second thing is they huddle around him. Yeah. They huddle around him. And it's just like, and he throws us like, look, our fate is going to be what our fate is. Right. And then even, you know, the, the dushy, um, scared businessman who's like, I'm taking them out.

Those guys made their choice. He can't do it either. So like, okay, so we're just going to have to figure it out it is what it is. And that's the addiction after two hours of movie where we're going like, what is humanity is right. And also for people that watch just the action movie, they got the bat pod. They got the bat pod. Oh, dude, the bat pot was awesome.

We got our glowing, a Batman eyes from the animated series that nobody talks about enough. It's like, I want those white eyes. I'm like, we've had that. Like, and also you need that to have a purpose and also you are going to lose emotion and stuff. So it's used just the right amount, I think. Bro, it was perfect. You got all the action. To be honest, probably my favorite scene.

And there's a lot of great scenes. And it has to be him again talking about the doctors. And it's so it genuinely feels like you're playing like an Arkham game. It feels like an Arkham game like mixed with the animated series because like the music's coming in and swelling. You're getting like objective stuff from Lucius being like, we got five doctors on top pulling guns about the shooter. Throwing people out on like a hang line like you would do in a video game. And that's the other thing. That those moments are.

also the moment where you go, Batman is very, like people love to argue that Batman is in a superhero, he's just a guy. It's like, uh, just a guy would not have figured out how to perfectly somehow tie a rope around five SWAT guys while not getting shot and throw him out a window.

It was so good. And yeah, even all of that, like the way, when he goes in there and the fact that he figures it out first, he should have been a little bit better communication with Gordon and those guys. But even good with Gordon at that point has a gun on him and he's not going to do anything. But,

also I don't understand how people think that Batman killing works for character because this movie is all about why that one rule is important there's an entire film about about why batman's one is important so for these people it's such a weaker choice well he can't do it it is he can't do it he doesn't one he doesn't want to what no well but he doesn't run over he doesn't run over he doesn't choke him over he doesn't choke him out which is a great parallel to jack nicholson's joke that whole thing with the long gun yeah it was it definitely and and and he's ledger's performance here too he's like come on go go it do it because he's accidentally shooting while he's getting up and like laughing about it.

Like, good. And when he's getting beat up, it's like, yeah, it's consistent. Guy gets shocked. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like jumping on his dude. And the scene where he's convincing that cop to beat the crap out of him, the scene where he's like, he's like, you don't know which one of your friends were cowards? Right.

Because he knows. Because his desperation still comes in calmness. Right. Because he knows, because he needs to get to that phone. And he's not going to do it because if he makes it too obvious that he needs to make a phone call, then he's. And he's so good at knowing how to play people. And like, I love the fact that he's talking about like,

you know, knives are more fun. Yes. He plays on, he knows how to make people do what he, that's what I mean like that David Koresh thing. He's got like that, that thing where he's always knowing how to manipulate the human spirit. And I also love that Batman breaking guns throughout this film is Frank Miller. Like so Frank Miller redefined Batman.

You've had Batman in the, in the 40s that was like murdery and like less of the character he is today. Then Batman had kind of fallen into like this Adam West thing where he was kind of a joke. He'd had like, you know, bat bombs and stuff and the Robin. And then Frank Miller came along. made the Dark Night, more of the character is today. But he was very, very anti-gun. There's shots of Batman breaking guns saying this is a cowards weapon.

And there's a few shots of Christian Bale doing the exact frame from the Frank Miller thing. So if you want a Batman with guns and if you want a Batman that kills, you can watch your other movies. You can read your old comics. But to me, that makes the character much stronger because he has integrity. But remember. And they give you the guys in the beginning when he says, I know, we're an hockey pads. Right. Like that like, that whole thing.

I'd give you a realization moment that I had watching this for the first time since it's been out. Yeah. I kept thinking he was, because of this stupid voice, I thought he was saying hockey pants. And so I was like, I was like, I mean, I mean, yeah, I guess he is wearing some big ass pants. You never knew he said hockey pads? I did not hear the word pads. I heard pants. Yeah.

And so finally, I had the subtitles on for the first time because now I just watch everything with subtitles. So I see it saying pads. You're not a big hockey guy? I'm not really. And so why am I not a big hockey guy, Christian? You tell me. Oh, God damn. It was right there.

It was right there. We don't get to do it. Oh, what an ass. I set you back. I set you back up. That hurts. I sent you back up. Dark.

Why won't Christian let us play? I don't. I wish I knew. Oh, oh. Oh, I see what it is. I see what it is. Because you can see his face, huh? No, no, because I thought you were making.

Making a different type of joke. One that I'm not privy to set. Oh, side note, if you haven't seen it, go watch the S&L sketch with Chance the rapper where he was supposed to report on the Madison Square Garden for the Knicks, but the Knicks didn't play, and he had to report on, on, God, what is the, what is the team for New York?

I don't know. The Rangers? Oh, the Rangers are the Islanders. So he had to report on the Rangers, and they were like, okay, what's your name? Turn around. And he turns around. I was like, yeah, I'm not even going to try that.

Like, it's a black dude trying to navigate hockey. It's the funniest thing I've ever seen. Thank you. So now you came back to my joke and I appreciate it. I got you. I got you. So we are back in studio, ladies and gentlemen. So the one thing that I realize about Bruce Wayne is that, you know, he's obviously

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Argentina's a great pump too. I mean, in the gym and that sends. Yeah, you go. I think you get embarrassed you look down. That's what I'm saying. means a good problem. I'm just saying, uh, amen. But, all right, back to this. So talking about, uh, back to making Rachel Dawes happy. Yeah, right. So, and that's exactly what, uh, look, he, Aaron Eckhart though in this, in this does exactly that. And you can understand why he's

smooth, he's slick. One ball. One ball? What he got his balls blown off? Well, no, two, he's got the whole half body. Like, I wonder if he's got a one nut. The one thing I thought was fun is kind of silly. Uh, but I understand because he just didn't want it. It's, it's the clothes that he had. He just kept the, he kept the disgusting suit. Yeah. Because he got up the comic. I know. I know. Oh, I know. It's, I, I looked at it. It's that 11. It's that like,

Christian. Christian, you're thinking about this wrong because remember, Joker was like, go ahead, blow my brains out, like, do what you're going to do.

And then he was like, well, I'm going to blow this place up, man, so you might want to put your clothes on and get out of here. Sure. And how about the fact that he also,

the Joker after that, first thing he does is wash his hands. Yeah. And I'll tell you, like, Yeah, that guy's got a gross face. He's gonna clean up. But not just that.

It's like the pandemic and everything around. Bro, is it bad that I watched Joker walk in with the mask on? I was like, man, even the Joker wearing that. Even the Joker. Yeah. And how about Anthony Michael Hall in this too?

So much. So, I mean, there's just so many great moments in this. And it just, and even when they killed Gordonoff, I want to, I feel like they got me when I saw it.

I can't remember. The first time they got me. When I saw it in theaters, they got me. I feel like they did. The marketing for this was, I mean, if you guys don't remember,

this was the first movie to have like Cloverfield like viral marketing the comic book space. There was there was, I believe in Harvey Dent was everywhere. There was the why so serious marketing campaign. There was Easter eggs. There was all sorts of like the viral stuff. That wasn't pop. And it's kind of faded sense. But like that wasn't popular yet.

And this really kicked off things in popularity. But the the marketing showed that there might be a big death. And I think we all thought that was Gary Oldman. Like I thought he was never going to be commissioner. Yeah. It was it interesting when they did that because they had. So what was the commissioner's name before? Lobe.

Lobe. So Lope was a nod to Jeff Lope, which a lot of the imagery in this is based off the Long Halloween. Okay. The Long Halloween, Jeff Loeb, Tim Sale, a very iconic comic run from the duo that kind of reshape things after Frank Miller. But what's interesting is, so the money burning imagery, the three of them standing on the roof, as in Two-Face, Gary Oldman, all that storyline, there's a lot of imagery from the Long Halloween. And there's a couple plot points. But the Long Halloween is also a major, major influence on The Batman. So what I'm wondering is I might have figured out too much about the Batman by reading Long Halloween again.

Like I think I might have figured out the mystery and I'm like no. But the parallels between the two, I feel like one chose imagery, one chose plot. Sure. Read the Long Halloween carefully. I'll just wait. Read after. Because I'm afraid I'm really afraid I solved some stuff. I don't want to know.

I can wait two weeks. Yeah, I don't want to know about it yet. Jeff Loeb's a great writer. Well, how much? So that's a good question though because this, out of everything that I've seen so far with the Batman trailer, and all of it, it seems to sync up the most with this movie, right? The overall tone of it. I mean, when it comes down to the Ridler, the way that the Ridler,

I mean, they're going to be different, obviously. But, and they've even said that. I can't remember. I think it was Matt Reeves, like, his producer. They hold Nolan's movies to the gold standard that they want to surpass. It's a bold statement. Yeah. But it's still, it's a great goal to have.

I mean, especially when you watch this movie, because I think that this movie is flawless. I mean, it's one of my rare five-star films. It really is. I just watching it, like, it's just, I was excited to be watching. it again and like there's never there's not like sometimes even with great movies like a great movie will pop up and the scene will pop up and you'll go all right i think i can i'll wait for this to be over yeah i don't have one of those in this like every single scene is is worth something to the

next and how about david dal smolshin who who shows up and it's so creepy in this as well his debut man he was living in chicago and uh and signed up for like an open casting is that really what yeah okay so david like so david's a buddy now which is insane um and like i was i mean i was i mean huge Dark Night fan so I interviewed David and I was just like I don't remember what we were promoting I was like talking about bad man and we were talking and he was saying that basically he was in chicago living as an actor hadn't had a big breakthrough yet went to an open casting and the role grew from like oh you can show up and be creepy guy to like oh you're really talented and gave him that whole thing's really so that all organically happened and that you're talking about the dude that ended up shooting the guy that they blamed for

yeah he's he's an aunt man he was in the suicide squad yeah no i know i know you're talking about So, yeah, the guy that shoots next to Joke him. Because we had him on Clare Live, and I probably asked him about Dark Night, but I was just, you know, at this time, I think the suicide squad was coming down. And we were trying to, we were trying to talk about it. He's literally one of the nerdiest people that does nerd stuff that actually is a sweetheart. Like there's no, like it's one of the nicest guys. He's such a nice guy.

His comic book out is incredible. Yeah, I'm a big fan of David. I think he's a really, and he's very open about his past and this things in general, like how he's kind of, it's a very inspirational story to him. Yeah. So watching him in that scene. And he's very memorable. I mean, it's very memorable for a smaller scene like that.

And it's because he's one of the, and it's such a crucial scene because it's the first time that we really see Harvey Dendez's two-faced even before he's burnt. And he's in that. He's about to flip the coin. We see the potential of what he can become. Batman tells him. He's like, dude, if anybody saw this, like, this is bad. And I love the recurring joke of like, you know, make my own luck. That bad scenes especially where he's like Batman doesn't know the coin is double-sided, but I love the dialogue around what happens.

Right, right. but it's just the fact that it's there. And what Batman said is like, dude, you're lucky they haven't really invented Twitter yet. You'd be in trouble. Well, that's that. Well, that's. Oh, God. That's what he said.

Direct quote. That's it. No, but I love even those nods to the books and specifically to Batman the animated series where you have two or three scenes where like all of a sudden Batman just shows up on the scenes and starts talking. Yeah. And even it's like, hey, let me get in there before you let your people ruin the, ruin the crime scene. Are you kidding me? That's straight long Halloween. And that's why, like, I really think that they read the Jeff Loeb Tim sales stuff.

And we're like, this is the tone we want to capture. And that's what's interesting about Matt Reeves as well is there's different types of Batman story. But the one you want to tell, I think, in our day is that slightly elevated. You want to tell a story that, like, could almost happen. And I think that's why some people didn't like Dark Night Rises. Is it got to the point of like, well, like when Batman just shows up in Gotham. Like there's certain elements we couldn't escape as much. It becomes more of a Batman movie.

Like a little more of a cartoon. but I like, I really like the third one. At least I remember really like the third one. Because now that we've been, like, I've never watched three back to back. So I'm really excited to see what I haven't either. This is a, this is also a first for me that I've never just full on what, but I think I still stand by my statement. And part of it is, it's not to say like a lot of people, I should say what I said. On Twitter, I said that I think that the, the Dark Knight trilogy is the greatest trilogy ever.

Wow. At least in my opinion, obviously people are going to have their own sayings one way of the other people immediately counter with Lord of the Rings. We've never seen Empire Strikes Back Return of the Jedi and New Hope. And I give you that, I give you that too, but I think part of, Toy Story. Smurfs?

What the, I wish I knew. You completely took me off guard, bro. Holy shit. Do you never cease? Why wouldn't you include Smurfs? I wish I knew. He needs some milk.

I do. I do. He's got a thing for Smurfette. We just discovered a smurf that fed fed. I'm trying to help you, mother. I don't have that. You got rid of that one. But, uh, uh, uh, all.

Apologies. Apologies. No smir's apologies. But just, but just in the sense that, a, empire is incredible. Yes. I personally think this movie is better than empire. How dare you? That's fair.

You said personally. You did. Co-signed. Personally. Personally. Personally. Personally. Um, I also think that to that point, there is something to be said whenever

you're talking about a movie, obviously it's not just about the movie as a whole, but the acting is equally as important, right? Right. I can't think of any other trilogy where someone has blown it so far out of the water. Yeah. That you're just talking about it on its own.

Right. You know what I'm saying? And that no one was weak around it. Well, I thought there's an 11th, but everybody else is like a 9. And what he also did was that, remember, when we brought it up for the old ones, we should bring it up,

obviously what we're talking about it is that when you look at what we had for the first four movies and the two Burton, the two Schumacher's were that you went significantly more into the Adam West cartoon version. So to spin it on its head to do a complete 180 and say now we're going to make, we're going to say,

what if Batman was realistic and you believe that it really could happen? Yeah. And you make it, and it's terrifying in that second. My daughter was, my tenure was watching a little bit of the beginning of Dark Night last night, look a little bit.

And she was fine, you know, and then she went to bed, and then I got to certain parts. I'm like, oh, I'm glad she didn't watch this. It's dark. And it's, it teeters on PG-13 R because of how intense it is. That's why it's so funny, people are rebelling against Matt Reeves,

the Batman being PG-13. I'm like, Homeboy put a pencil through somebody's eye on camera. Like, they didn't cut away. They showed right there, though, guys, it's Batman. We didn't fully see it, bro. But you knew it, but you knew exactly what happened.

They also, like, gutted it. Michael Jai White got like face-gotted on camera. No, he didn't. You didn't see that either. You got it. The knife in his mouth. But that's way scary. So let me make the arm in then.

So if my daughter was watching that scene, she didn't. But if she was, she would know as a 10-year-old girl that a guy just got a pencil through his head. Right. If she was watching, she would know that a guy just got knifed and fell on the floor. So it didn't have to be shown in order for it to have an impact. Of course. And that's the whole point, the mental impact of that's why you get the ratings.

The ratings are, you know, if it was a graphic, if you would have stuck the knife in the guy's face, like, like I watched the thing recently, right? There's some brutal kills in that thing. It's rated R. And for a reason. You can make movies PG-13. Now, Deadpool wasn't just made rated R because of the violence. It's the mouth, dude.

And the character has to be R-rated. He's a mercenary. He does kill. And also, like, the sexualization of Deadpool, one of the things that separates him from so many other moral characters. It's all of it. It's the sexualization of violence and the language. You only get so many F-bombs, and he drops so many.

And this movie, when they did the PG-13 Deadpool, it felt neutered. It didn't feel like I liked it. It was fun, but it was fun. it was a commentary on the fact that he'd be raised on. It's not the essence of who the character was. Exactly. And this is, like PG-13, what, Deadpool? The one's upon the Deadpool.

The censored one. But the whole joke is the censor- Right, all right, right, right, right. So, but the, um, but anyway, the point is that Batman doesn't need to be rated at art. It really, it really doesn't. It's like, you get in a three-hour movie. And the best arguments I've heard is that the villains need to do such heinous things that it warrants Batman being so violent.

Right. But you can do that, like, just off camera like Joker does. You can, you can make the villains violent and not actually show the, blood. And I think we're in it's very interesting how much blood letting we want to see as a culture. It's interesting that we're like, oh, I, I want violence, but I got to see the blood myself. I think it's a very strange thing, though I don't see a lot of complaints about it. I do have quite you, Wayne Manor. Yes. Was burnt down to the ground. Right. It's back after, you know, it's about a year or so that it's been. Well, they're mainly no, it's, it doesn't exist. It doesn't

exist. They're actively rebuilding. They're still rebuilding. So he, we're, that big ass warehouse of the docks for the Batcave and then the penthouse that he's in to live in. Yeah. Because Alfred makes that joke like, I'm excited for us to rebuild so you can not sleep in the manor instead of not sleep in the penthouse. Well, the bigger, the bigger question is who is going to be doing their lawn? And I'll tell you, it should be Sunday. Sunday should be doing the lawn at Wayne Manor.

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I was really, just completely caught me up and I almost went, Oh, but you need a clean read, so I just kept my mouth shut. But I looked at Koi, I just said, Ah, I wish I knew. That's how we felt. That's how it felt. That's why I was bringing him with the banner. I think he's wrong.

Did you guys see, so we had a guy that used to, and he still does it. He does, I got a shout out of his channel. Maybe it was posted in the description, but he does, he's been doing since Collider Live. Oh, dude, his montage. So he, this guy did a full-on montage. It's like four minutes long of a bunch of different clips of people. Movie questions with, I wish I knew. Oh, yes.

Yes. I read tweeted all of them, but I saw like about about like a minute or two. I'm going to put it in the description of this video. It's really, really good. Anyway, so every. I don't see it. I have that much time. But we did say though,

Koy, in the last episode that you could tell Heath Ledger even says it, right? He's like, we're going to be doing this dance for a long time. And they set it up because Joker was going to come back. Joker was going to come back in the third one. I think Nolan might have made more.

You think so the scarecrow. Because Scarecook was back in the beginning of this. And I love that scene, man, when he's just like, That's not him. He's like, that's more like it. Yeah. There he is.

Because in five minutes you establish a universe, which is something that Marvel, Marvel's got a great MCU as far as everything feels like it could be shared, but they're really bad about not having villains pop up because they don't have a lot of support level of things. If Crossbones popped up. They keep killing them.

Like if Crossbones popped up in other movies, it would feel more connected. If you had a rhino or shocker level character that popped up in other movies and you didn't just kill them, then it would feel more like a universe where a scarecrow in one through line makes Gotham feel like they've got a villain problem because he's like this rat that keeps popping up. And he comes back again. And Killing Murphy in one scene, you're like this guy. You don't like my drugs? Figure it out. Right. Figure it out. That's not him. And then the courtroom in the third movie where you, you escalate also. The scarecrow was got an arc of escalation and madness. Well, because you also

never saw in Batman begins. Like what happened to? We just rode off on the horse. That was, that was it. And so they, there was a lot of, there was a lot of great things that they did, especially when they set him up, he gets captured again. He always kind of pops back up. But yeah, that scene with Heath Ledger at the end when he's just kind of dangling because you're like, well, if he got- His whole speech there's so good. He's like, if he got out last time, why wouldn't he be able to get out again?

And so they never really even- I want to use this soapbox. Let the record show. And it's awful. And I hate the internet. And it really was the first time I thought the internet was a force of negative, not good. Heath Ledger was filming a movie in London called the Imaginarium of Brattsman.

which is incredible. You should watch it. And he was flying back to New York to visit his daughter who was brand new. And him and Matilda were going through relationshipy stuff

that I don't know about. But he was flying back and forth. He caught pneumonia. And Heath is someone that couldn't sleep. Heath's someone that has a lot of anxiety. Heath didn't like being in public because he was hounded constantly. Heath was on anxiety meds,

sleep meds, and he was flying back and forth and caught pneumonia. He had doctors in Australia or London or don't remember and in New York. And they didn't communicate. And he was prescribed the exact amount of medication

that was in his system, Heath didn't kill himself, Heath didn't O.D., Heath didn't die because he played the Joker. Heath took medicine that he was prescribed, and because we have a drug problem and people being ashamed to talk about, and because we had a communication problem with his doctors, Heath drowned in his own fluid in his sleep and never got to raise his daughter. Anyone that speaks ill of Heath Ledger and calls him a drug addict, anyone that has anything negative to say about that man

and his incredible talent in his family can fuck off, and that's my one. That man is so talented and it hurts me every time I see that shit. Joker is a work of art and he's one of the best actors we will ever have. Quay, I'm sorry, the audio was off. Can you tell a lot? I wish I knew. Oh, God. Oh, I would have.

If that had actually, if I were you, Koi, I would have left across this goddamn table, bro. He needs some milk. To the point where I went from like about to like, yeah. And I was like, no, I'm going to let Koi go. Koi is on a roll. I'm just shut up and listen. I don't get on one much.

But like the Heath thing, like he means the world. He's the reason I became an actor and then became a host. Like without Heath Ledger, I wouldn't have gotten an entertainment. And without this movie, I don't think I would have moved to LA as quickly.

And I don't think. You're a host? Sometimes they'll let me talk for money. But yeah, I don't think without Heath Ledger and without the dark night because I moved to L.A. within a year of this coming out

because of Heath passing. And every time I go to New York, my first stop is his apartment. And I pay respects. Every time. So that day I was late for pizza. because I was at his apartment on Broomster. Oh.

I just thought you were just late because you just be late. Sometimes there's a reason. Speaking of which, if we're staying on very important topics here, there's a new pizza place in Los Angeles that I just heard about. What do we got? I guess,

I guess the bar still does the pizza stuff. I saw this TikTok. Yeah, apparently it's incredible. Apparently it's really good. And there are hours or bananas. They're like four hours a day. It's near like Libra. It's in like the,

Abrea tarpitz area. Yeah, they're open from like 2 to 4.30 and then from like 5 to 7. Like they're literally like, eh, we're going to tag out. We'll come back for dinner. I'm excited. We'll figure it out. If we find good L.A. pizza, man, I need to go to New York less because that's a big, big reason. There's only like four or five good places I hear, but that's another conversation.

All right. Pizza talk. What else? With the rewatch guys. What do we miss? What do we miss if, if anything? You know, we got the action inside of this thing. The way that it's shot, the writing is so good.

The new bat suit bothered me. Music. This time? Music. Music is phenomenal. Oh, dude. The Joker's horror. Is it just simmer?

Is it just simmer? And because I know Howard, James Newton and Howard was, was part of the first one. I want to say it's just simmer. I feel like it was just simmer. That the, the edge of the Joker score, the way he uses, like, the chords, the way it's like, it gets under your skin. Man, if you, if you ever need like a power ballad to run to, that stuff will, like, get you. Yeah. It's really.

If you take that and some of those sex pills. There's no one. That's your second. What are you mean? No. That's all. So, Corey, let me tell you about JoyMud. It's a powder.

It's a powder that you can take on the treadmill while listening to the Joker Ballet. That's right. Get you going. That's right. Oh, my God. Just don't try to nail your treadmill. That's what I'm concerned.

And he's like, while you're right, Rachel! Rachel! So a whole lot, the whole definition why you want to choose her first. Why do you think? What do you think Tom Cruise is fueled by, man? Those sprints are not, not adulterated. Oh, man. We're going somewhere.

We're going. So the music. Why'd Batman choose to get Rachel first? Well, let me tell you about Joy mode. Rachel! Give the Joker some Joy mode. And if you give the Joker some Joy mode, he's going to stop trying to kill people.

That's true. He was also on Joy mode at the 10. Here we go. And here we go. All you need the little push. That said, the music and this escalates the theme nicely. And the Joker theme is one of the best. The bats who bothered me less than it used to.

Yeah. Well, they also got some modifications to it. No, no, I like the begin suit better. Oh, okay. This time. You like the begin suit better than this one. Yeah. So this time it was less, because I really enjoyed the, like the gauntlet use and like the tactical.

No, no, finish, finish. I like that the tactical flaws because they acknowledge the fact that he could get hurt in different ways, but he could move more. They still bruised up and stuff. And this time I noticed more that they leaned into the fact that the suit was less powerful in that it was mobile because it's kind of got that Spider-Man thing. The more mobility, how the weaker you are. So two things.

One, I'm assuming it was just a buzzer. So what was the thing that he had in his hand He's on the van And he's like trying to cut it open? Yeah, basically like a little tiny like can opener. Okay, that's what I thought. All right. But then the other thing is you were asking,

is there anything we missed? I think the only major flaw personally with the film is Bale's Batman voice. It was not this bad. Oh, it got way worse. It got so much worse. And when I walked in on you watching the end of it, Christian,

it's, I don't know if it's because he's supposed to be at it. I had my pants on, by the way. He did have his pants on. That's true. He was, he was, it was being, it was waited. I think God, you got here not 10 minutes earlier. Oh, my God.

Rachel. The, the, screaming, Rachel, did it for you. But I, he heard that outside. He waited, actually. He gave you a minute. I'm sorry. Winsentz and I have my pants off right now. Frankly, guys, the dark night was rising.

And when the dark night rises, you stay outside. When the dark night rises, you break your back. Well, don't break first, your spirit or your body. And as soon as I'm done with this, I'm going to do my lawn with Sunday. But I, I, but I, but, but, He was born in the dark, just molded by it. That was the only problem, in my opinion, because it becomes glaringly like, oh, dude, you're taking me out.

I know what you're trying to do. Someone didn't tell you you're doing too much. Because it was fine in Begins. He did not go over a cliff and begins with that voice. Something happened in this film where he's just, maybe Nolan told him to do it more. In Begins, there's a shot that he puts in the tech in his ear, but apparently there's a leaded scene where they had him put in something

in the cowl for a voice modulator where it was going to be tech. and they cut that. So I'm wondering if in the first film they were like, well, we'll change it in post. And then he saw it. I did love by the way. What if I do this?

Winston brought it up before like the, when the shock happens and the Joker beats the crap. But I like, I love that idea because in the, in the Burton ones, I keep trying to take his mask off and nobody does. And it's like, there's a reason why you can't.

Even in the spider one we talked about it. It was like, why does Norman Osborne just not unmasked off? Just take his mask off. It makes it like blade sword where you have to have the code and then it cut your hand off. Yeah. Well,

No, but that's, but that's also very true to the company. Batman does that all the time. The Batmobile's booby trapped. His Cal is booby trapped. Like, I love that they included that. Yeah, me too. If he's got the tech, he'd use it defensively too. And Winston also mentioned before him before we were on air,

but we were talking about the detective side of Batman and how much like it is the most clear. And he's even trying out like the gun on the wall to see which one is the one. Bullets on bricks. And like, but he's constantly, for people like, we haven't seen the detective Batman. Are you know watching this stuff in, in the apartment? I really enjoyed the crime scene. Totally. investigating everything that's why this can be a good three hour movie he keeps looking at stuff

throughout this movie and this movie's two and a half hours by the way you're like oh my god it's three hours it's only a half an hour in the new one one's three hours like this one's two and a half hours yeah so it's really not that much more like two 40 like it's not like oh you mean the rises yeah right right so it's not like batman has been an hour and a half rump and they're doubling it's like yeah it's kind of a long it's it's long as long as it's as long as it's as long as it plays i'll tell you why people are freaking out myself included it's not because you're not thinking about the Dark Night or the Dark Night rises, it's because there has been this weird trend

to just make movies longer and longer and longer recently. That's true. That's true. That's true. So just in, if you take it just individually of itself, yeah, we didn't blink at Dark Night because that was rare. Now of a sudden everybody wants to do a 24 to three hour movie. Well,

I think it's because we're used to, now we're in an age of binge culture where you watch three hours of three episodes and you're like, that's right, but you're home. You get up a good, that's the reason why people are good with that.

But that's why actors are going to TV is because they want the time to flesh their characters out. Directors and actors, if we don't make these three-hour movies, they might just come make TV shows. No, I know, but that's why I don't want to, as Winston was saying, you know, it's like we're going to, how many bathroom trips are going to take during the three hours? I'm just worried for the exhibitors, because if you look at the actual like runtime of the movie,

you've got a three-hour movie, you've got a three-hour movie, you've got to clean up after it, and then you've got a four-hour window. If you're only open for eight hours, you play that movie twice a day, you've got to actually pay your ushers, your lighting, your concession, all that money. If you're paying it twice a day. Yeah, but I mean, exhibitors got to eat. Yeah, but look, remember, Spider-Man was, what,

2-30? Yeah. 240? I'm saying the only negative to movies getting longer is if they're all two-plus, then we have a consistent. But what I'm saying,

it still made a billion dollars. It's like the number three big movie of all times. Just past Avatar. So it's not going to... Did it? Yep. Did it? Yes.

So it's not... Past Avatar yesterday. Don't get too excited because I bet you, I bet you... The re-release Avatar. 100%. But you can also re-release Spider-Man. But I thought Avatar was the,

was the, so Spider-Man is number one? Domestic. Domestic. You're talking domestic. So it's number six worldwide, number three all-time domestic, which is still baller. This one, this, well, that begs. Without a Chinese release, it's number six. So what is one and two domestically? Force Awakens and Endgame. Endgame. Yeah, so by the way

Spakens is number one. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah, that's, I remember that. But by the way, that also, this movie, the Batman is tracking to have even a bigger opening than Spider-Man. Right. And it costs a third. Right. This movie costs the crafty budget. So this is going to be very interesting to keep an eye on. But that's, look,

that's a dark night. We got one more movie that we're going to do. Yes, we're two weeks from the Batman. Yeah. And oh, so by the way, and I don't know if you guys knew this or not, but myself and Winston and Coy, I think on the last episode, if you were watching it, we decided on the Patreon, we're doing exclusive watch-alongs. Every one of these, the Batman ones, the Spider-Man ones, Matrix. Those are all on the public channel. Those will be Fridays. We're doing one exclusive a month and this this month we did the thing we're thinking from march we're going to do mask of phantasm i've never seen it these guys love it um when we we'll do like an exclusive one for that one because a lot of people why didn't you guys cover that and the reason why we

didn't is when we started this we only had seven weeks to do it so we wanted to do the um the four live action burton and schumacher and then the three nolan leading into the batman we just thought that the nolan movies look so much like the what the new batman is it can be very different we don't know, but it just looks and tone inside the trailer. And with Flashpoint, we have the bat flag opportunity. So it's not like we're skipping. And people are asked. So we're going to, and for Dr. Strange, we're going to probably do Dr. Strange

rewatch plus the what if episodes that are probably going to be relevant to it. Jurassic Park, I don't know. And all the X-Men. Yeah. We got tons, man. We got tons that we're going to do. So we have a lot. So make sure on Fridays you're checking that out.

And then the big thing in studio is going to start coming back gradually. Obviously, it's come back with. with rewatch, but it's going to start coming back. Once I do, I have a lot of my pre-tapes of people that I've talked to. I've had some great guests, Booker T, Dominic Monaghan, Bobby Moynihan, Frankie Gazzarian is coming on. We have so many, so many different people that came on. I just had Sam Roberts on, Danny Fernandez, Jessica Chobot, a lot of people.

So please go and check those out, but we're going to be back in studio soon. Next week, we'll finish up Dark Night Rises. And then we're going to do the same thing we did for Spider-Man. We'll do a full-on spoiler episode of Big Thing of the Back. me in with the three of us. But that's it, everybody. That's the show for Corsi Andrew Winston-A. Marshall. Thank you guys once again and show a little bit of class. We'll you subscribe and hit that notification button and we'll see you next time. I wish I knew.