The Kristian Harloff Show - REWATCH! The Matrix (1999) | The Big Thing

Episode Date: December 3, 2021

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What's going on, everybody? Happy Friday. Well, it's here. It is here, finally, the Matrix rewatch. Thank you guys so much for... I didn't do that, by the way. So, I don't know who did, but it's a crime that we're going to have to talk about a little bit. But it is the Matrix rewatch.

We did a Spider-Man rewatch with myself, Koi, and Winston. We did all these Star Wars movies. The rewatches for those. You guys really liked them. And people kept asking, what's next? What's next? Well, the Matrix Resurrections is coming up. It's right around the...

the corner actually. So we said, let's do that. And Koi J. Andrew, obviously, a massive fan of The Matrix, and I am as well, but we wanted to do something a little different. We wanted to bring someone who had never seen it before. And on one of the episodes of Big Thing, Kate's like, you know, I've never seen The Matrix. And I was like, well, see it. I know you're going to like it. And let's see what she thought about it. But it's going to be myself, Koi, Jandrew, and Kate Mollion talking about the Matrix. Let's get at it. Come on. Let's do it. What's up, everybody? Welcome back to The Big Thing.

It's Matrix time. I'm excited, man. It's always fun to revisit this movie. Man. It really is. I've seen it so many times, and I never, ever mind watching it. And there he is. Spider-Man extraordinaire.

Matrix extraordinary. This one's going to be fun for you. A student of the Matrix. I don't get to talk about this nearly as much as they get to talk about comic books. I know. So this is my game. Katie, wasn't it you and I were on the phone? When we were together and we called Koi on the phone.

We did, right? And you expected two minutes and I gave you a 20 minute dissertation. But it was like, I was like, I was like, oh, we just went to church. That's right. And I was driving. Like, I was literally like, oh, let's talk about the Matrix, shall we? It was a blast to watch this one again, man, because like everything coming out. Like, did you see the new?

So I thought it was like the official trailer number two, but it was like a, I don't know if it was a TV spot or whatever it was. But there's so much more in this little, I feel like you got more about the story of resurrections in this one minute. Did you see the new one? Yeah, it's beautiful. It's one minute piece of what's going to be like in the deja vu trailer. It told me so much more of like what I think as we get closer and closer.

Still not. I mean, you won't know until the credits roll and then maybe not even. Maybe not even then. But I'm so getting into this. So Kate, I want to start with you because you had never seen this movie. Was I right to believe that you love this movie? I absolutely loved this movie.

And first of all, I want to say, Quay, thank you for being here because I know you just screened a call from your mother. I did. I did. She was actively calling. And I was like, you know what? I love you. It's going to be a minute.

It's going to be, we're talking to the Matrix, mom. And she'll understand because she's my mom. Like, my mom goes like, oh, they're talking with the Matrix. I can wait. I love you, mom, but you know, the Matrix is on. No, I absolutely love this movie. I think one of the things that I've found so interesting is that I have seen,

and I was saying this to you a little bit before, I've seen before, I saw the Matrix in the wrong order in terms of the fact that I've seen Avatar. I've seen Inception. I've seen movies where your body stays in one place and your mind goes someplace else. Right. And I, it's sort of, it's, I was sort of odd. I'm like, wait, they, they did this in 99?

Yeah. Yeah. And it's so funny to, you know, and it really does. Right after Dark City. Yeah. And sometimes you can tell. Yeah. And that's the thing that you were saying to.

You're like, well, they actually weren't the first to do this. But I'm just amazed by that because I, it's, I still think Inception's an incredible movie. I still think Avatar is an incredible movie. But it is so interesting. I'm like, well, this is very, very similar to, not similar, but like, yeah. That concept, that overall concept. And they just do it very well.

And Koi, so one of the things you really, I think, went over really well with when we talked about the last time was the philosophy of the major. That's what draws you to it. That's my obsession is this handles the Socratic Oath, this handles the cave, this handles so many broad strokes. And it's also like an inkblot test to your beliefs. Like you can see this as a Buddhist metaphor, a Christian metaphor, a take on postmodernism. You can really interpret your own philosophy through the guise of an action film. What I love about this film is that it doesn't just pivot towards one belief system. It is so open to interpretation while not being fickle.

At no point does it not know what it stands for, but it's literally an inkblot test of you believe blank. Here's a story that allows for blank in a way that I think, like, I should preface this. And I'm sorry in advance. I personally, Coyangro, am not a religious man. I grew up agnostic and the older I get, the more atheist I get. I personally believe that the Matrix does a better job in telling a moral story with religious elements than most religious texts, and it does it in a way that has an approachability. The reason I love comic books is they're a moral compass for me, and they're a way to tell these grand archetypal stories.

This, to me, does that in a sci-fi kung fu epic that does a lot more for me maturing as a man that wants to believe in higher powers, that wants to believe in concepts beyond myself. and it does in a way that really catches you up in 2,000 years of theology in a John Wu movie. So it means the world to me that we're even discussing it, much less they're getting another one. Well, thank you for sharing your thoughts, you heath. I just know it's going to come up later

that people will be like, wait, that's his take, but I personally struggle with any organized religion and this to me is the closest I've come to understanding why people believe. Because I believe in the Matrix. Well, there was so much in this movie of the way it's set up. Because, again, what we've talked about every time we discussed The Matrix is that in 1999, when this movie came out, this was not the talk of the most anticipated movie.

Star Wars was. Episode one was. And this came out. I believe this one came out. I think it came out like April. Something like that. It came out on Easter because it's about resurrection and the new one comes out on Christmas. So I'm just saying, and they're smart.

Well, but it came out. And, well, they probably also lucked out because they probably couldn't get May or June because, A, no one knew what it was going to be. But it literally came out on Easter. They came out on a weird Tuesday. They literally scheduled it for that Jesus. Because they didn't know what they had on their hands. Nobody knew it was going to be this. Like, you know, probably a lot of people, this is too confusing.

I guarantee it. You can hear it. audiences are going to be like, we're not going to know what's going on. And there are still some people that when you watch it the first time, they don't really get it all the way through. Yeah. I have some questions.

No, which is why we want to have you here. Are you saying that one cannot be told what the Matrix is. You have to see it for yourself? Because that's what I think you're saying. You've got to experience your own journey. I think. Well, I do want to jump to that moment right there. Because last night, you picked new things up all the time, right?

But the Oracle and the actress who played the Oracle passed the thing right after they shot this. They're a rashly loaded. Yeah. Before Revolution. She wasn't in the second one. Was she? You sure? 90%.

I thought she was recast in the second movie. I had thought that originally, but I think it's her in the second one. Then the third one's a new actress. She passed away, though. Yes. But she's in this particular scene when he goes to find out if he's the one. and it's set up her timing. She tells him.

She goes, you're the only one that can really know whether. Don't listen to anyone else. Right. And then she goes, all right, so you know what I'm about to tell you that I'm not the one? Sorry, kiddo. She just told you. Don't listen to what anybody says. You've got to believe it.

And that's why it's simultaneously the greatest story ever told, which is the Jesus commentary, while also being the greatest story never told, which is the Socratic story. Socrates, the Socratic method of questioning, is endlessly questioning until people doubt their own beliefs, which is what's happening in that scene. But it's also clearly a metaphor for being the one,

the chosen one, the Jesus allegory. So it is simultaneously the greatest story ever and never told in one scene. The Oracle Delphi also translate to all sorts of myths. That character herself ties directly into the myths of, the original myth was you'd go to this Oracle and she would inhale this fume and then talk to another person

and then you'd speak in tongues and you'd translate it. In this, she's smoking a cigarette. She's inhaling fume. inhaling cookies. All of it is tying to the original mythology while giving us a more digestible version of these very heady concepts. What did you think, Kate?

So questions. I thought Keanu Reeves was hot. He was. He really was. Sorry. Yeah. Was that what you were probably about. Oh, yeah.

That was my next point. As Joey Pantz says, those big, beautiful eyes. But what did you, what were your questions? So part of, part of the, I think, I guess I sort of don't understand the way in which it works. So you can get plugged once you get your brain, hole. That's what it's called, right?

The brain hole. Once you get your brain hole, once you get the brain hole, you can plug in to simulations, but you also can then plug into the matrix. Because the matrix is a simulation. So it's the same programming. So they just... Think of like HTMLI courts. Yeah, it's universal.

You plug into PlayStation. You can plug into TiVo or DVR. And they designed those programs off of the matrix. So they literally designed their training program, their whatever program. off of the program in the matrix, so you'd use the same port. So they, and then the phone is like,

obviously for them to get out of the matrix. That's their hard line. And it's got to be a hardline phone because they're using like, remember the dial-up sound? They're using effectively similar to that to remind your brain. Basically, that's triggering your brain to go,

oh, this isn't real. I need to be back there. That's why I'm jealous of you watching this the first time because when you, not knowing anything about this movie going into it, right? So that opening scene when Trinity is on the phone and then she's leaping around

and then obviously runs to the phone booth and the guy smashes her. So what were you thinking when all that was going down? Because I'm so... This better make sense soon. Yeah, yeah. Like, boy, this better all come together. Did it? Yes.

Okay. Yes. I think that's like, Dickie, I have a problem with like being like, I just, I don't know, what's happening here? And Dickie has always been like, well, let's just wait and see. Let's just wait and see. Like, I definitely had that problem in the movie enemy. I was like, what the whole is happening? Oh, that movie.

Seven, eighth's amazing. And then the eighth is amazing. didn't land and I was like, I just spent two hours. To watch a big spot. There's a big spider? Yeah, I just, I like endings. I think people, I know. That's, anyway, so I have gotten used to be patient, be patient, be patient.

So I watched this by myself, but I was, but I was patient. I was like, okay, so this doesn't make sense to me yet, but it's going to make sense. Right. But also, I love, like the first scene that really grabbed me was Keanu hacking. That's his name John Thompson. Tommy Johnson. Mr. Anderson. Mr. Anderson.

Mr. Thomas. I guess, yeah, that's right. It is Thomas Anderson. It was like John. I was trying to mnemonic. John, John, that's another one I haven't seen.

Oh my God. Oh, man. We're gonna have to rewatch those. Yeah, that's gonna happen. That's gonna happen. Those are real special. But, um, okay, so then that scene. I loved that scene.

The white rabbit, falling white rabbit? And when he's interfacing with, I guess it's Trinity on the, on the, on the computer and then all the white rabbit. And I love the white rabbit metaphor because obviously the Allison Wonderland parallels. And through the looking glass is what we're all experiencing.

We're looking through the looking gas. So like the, the, the idea that we can, and see our mirror self, residual self-image, et cetera, or we can look past the surface into the world that we don't really understand. So the white rabbit representing the trippy aspects of the story, as well as the book he's got his stuff in

is Simulcrim and simulation, which is the idea that we're living in something that's digitized. So even the background stuff is giving you all the details along with those metaphors. I was going to bring that up. You're going to bring that up. We did it first.

We should have talked about our talking points before. We really just said, beat by beat, beat by beat. Because I just keep stealing all my stuff. But all of it, though, putting him in that hacker world, understanding it because even if you're watching it like the first time, saying, okay, this is a hacker named Neo and not knowing what the hell's about to happen, right?

So then, and you see the, I think that as, I get a like Kate speak on this, when you're watching it for the first time, and okay, so now he's on this adventure to find out who this is. And then when you get to that scene, when the agents are chasing him through and he's like leaning down and he almost goes up to the scaffold, and Trinity's waiting for him, but he doesn't go.

And then the interrogation scene, when his mouth goes. Yes. What the hell, at that point, are you like... Yes. Still. Still to this moment. Yeah.

Well, I guess part of the thing I don't quite... The idea is... They just rebooted him again. They were just rebooted him into his bed after that whole thing happened. Okay, so that area... Okay, so that's what I was going to say. I kept getting confused about, like, how these things would happen and then he'd wake up. And then he'd wake up.

And I was like, oh, it's because the real world is our dreams. And when we think we're awake is the... It's not really we're in a simulation. when we think we're awake. So I think I was sort of putting it together, but I think one of the, the thing I have the biggest question on is when we see him in the pod and all of that going on,

does he believe he's dreaming that? He doesn't know what the hell is going on. Me too. Because even when Morpheus says to, he's like, how can my eyes hear? He's like, you've never used them before. Right, that's his first experience in his body. So that's in the real world.

That's in the desert of the real. That's the reality that's caused the planet. We've napole on the planet. We've burnt out the sky. So that's in reality reality. Those pods are how they stay alive is through using our body for warmth and all those things and that scene.

So that's the first time he is in reality, but his mind is 27 years of not being able to hang. So that's why he throws up. That's why he can't believe it. That's why that pill is... It's gonna pop. Yeah, exactly. And that's why you don't do it that old.

They even say, like, we don't bring people out at this age because your brain can't handle it. So you're fully formed and believing a thing. Right. So that's the first time we as an audience and Keanu as a character experience is the real.

But that's what I love about this movie is because everything is so detailed and it's not if like when you go back if you watch this movie again like every time you watch it it makes more sense more sense more sense every time you watch it two and three we're not talking about that right now not as much i think they try to get too complicated with two and three yeah but this one it's like there's these little things that are just so that are set up perfectly like you said like these the reason why this search of everybody has a purpose yeah purpose mr anderson and every detail is so like even the name neo means new but also one even even the name is so tied to so many

details and it's just, it's so tightly written and so perfect. And some of the lines of dialogue are straight out of theology books, some lines are straight of philosophy books, and they weave it into the story that makes you want to think that there's something more. Like I personally, the older I get, the less I doubt this reality, and that could be drugs, but also, like, I definitely experience moments of as I get older, the less religion makes sense, because it, we've explained, like, we invented gods to explain away things. Like, Zeus was thunder and lightning, we've explained that away. Whereas we've invented now, in our reality, a world where we're using our phones more than we're in person.

We're getting dopamine from notifications that are digital. I wrote all my notes in a phone instead of writing it on paper. And more and more, I'm spending more time in someone's phone. Like you're watching this right now, we're on a screen. I'm digitally more alive than I am analog. And we're living in a reality that makes more sense to be a simulation because we're seeing more and more cryptocurrency, NFTs. Everything we're doing is going to the abstract of the fake instead of the reality of the real.

So I'm starting to think if we can prove this could be a possibility, that makes it more real than disproving other things. What do you mean? Like, AR, VR, VR. Do you know what I mean? Like everything feels like we're heading towards, if this isn't already true, it will be. To me.

Yeah. Because our neural impulses, like, everything we do, like this is just signals electricity going to our brain saying we feel this. Yeah. We can't prove this is real at all. Right. Well, I mean, so, and that's ultimately what the,

what's, but that all that, I mean, in all the philosophy of it, everything that they put together, like you said, the political side of it like everything it's still a statement of what's going on today the technology how you're so relying on it but there is that great scene when um he's starting to get trained and he's like i know jujitsu yeah and then he goes you want some words like hell yes yeah that like just because imagine you could just download and that's it yeah and that this was before the internet was mainstream that's exactly what we're doing we've just used it for evil like we can actually get all information ever gleaned by human minds on the

internet. We can't plug it in, but we can gain all that information. Instead, we'd like send dick picks and troll people. Like, we have that access. Okay, you and I use the internet differently. I mean, I just send dick picks and troll. Quote from Choole-Henger, I just send dick picks and troll people. I never taken a dick pick because of the Matrix. Because there's such accessibility and they're such like, I don't trust this. Just because the Matrix. I mean, just because of Keanu. No, but in 99, I feel like it was before we had the internet. You really do get your morality from the Matrix. I was 11 years old and this came out. And I was like, yeah. If we can access, I know, I know, I know, I'm sorry.

I wanted to save that for later. Oh, no. Yeah, I was 11. But that taught me. That really makes me hot. It makes you hot. That makes me, no, not like hat, but like, like sea red. But think about how much connectivity they showed us in 99.

And then the internet really went mainstream in 2003. So I was like, I've, I've learned some lessons. No dick picks. Well, but. So, I mean, let's get back into the story of it. Because when he goes, he goes, and he's trying to figure it on this, that this movie is a classic, because anytime you can pull something out of it, no matter what it is,

it's instantly recognizable for the film, and one of them, obviously, the main thing is take the Red Pull of the Blue Pill. How many times you hear Red Pill? Oh, my, oh my, why didn't I take the Blue Pill? Yeah. And that whole scene, even when he decides it, and they're trying to figure it out,

and it's like overtaking his body, and then, as Kate mentioned before, he wakes up. When you're watching it for the first time in the theater, whether it's, or just the other night, if you're Kate, right? It's like, you're like, what the hell is going on? Yeah. This is, this is, you're following it, but you're still like, wow, this is crazy.

Okay, you know, his body's like this, and they start to, it explains, and each piece just keeps figuring itself out. And Hugo Weaving, who is just an absolute, Elron, Taubbard. But he's a Terminator, you know, like that's, and by the way, Terminator, another movie that this, very much so takes a lot of, the machine's taken over. Yeah, yeah. you know, that was, James Cameron did that in 84, you know? So this was a mixture of like all those great things.

But anyway, that particular thing of him having to learn it, figure out believing in himself. Because that's ultimately what this is about. And that's where the cave comes in. Like the allegory of the cave is the concept that we've all been clouded in a visual that we've only got so much access, right? We've only seen this world. And the cave is about this world where we're all chained to something. And basically they use firelight and shadow puppets to make us think we've seen the world.

And then someone escapes the cave and sees the real world. And that's the exposure to the reality that's so traumatizing. It's too bright. It's too much. So the red pill is you accepting the reality that you actually can't handle. And what I love is the etymology of the word educate literally means to lead out. So the idea of to lead out of the cave is to educate someone on reality. So this movie does in one scene show an entire concept that we've studied for years

through this incredible action set piece of the red pill. Also, the red pill is based on, this movie is the Wachowski brothers at the time. They are now the Wachowski sisters. The pills are based off of estrogen pills where people take to become who they feel like they actually are. So by it being a pill, that's actually a metaphor for the trans allegory that slowly forms throughout the films. And this was a movie made in 99 when this, we were even less accepting. Right now, a lot of people are monsters, even more people were monsters 22 years ago. But this allows them to be like, hey, this is the body I actually belong.

and this is who I actually am, this is who I actually feel like I belong to. It's very interesting you said that because I said, oh, after watching this, I'm like, this is definitely a movie made by people who feel trapped. Yeah. There's no,

I mean, I feel like that's so fascinating to see somebody's sort of personal. I mean, of course, like I'm watching it with hindsight. You didn't know in 99. When you watched it, like these men are going to transition

to be women someday. But it definitely felt to me, that's interesting about the estrogen pills because I didn't know that it was that closely linked. And look at the culture they're in. They're in this underground scene. There's a lot of people. And even the casting,

Kianu and Kary Ann are almost a non-binary representation of each other. They're like very, they're very, like the male and female, but both are very... And Kianu's a very pretty man and Karyan's a very handsome woman.

So there's an element of the transition even in the duality of the characters that love each other. And her love is what the Oracle tells her and his accepting that he's the one is also tying back to Socrates because Socrates died because he believed certain things

and they killed him for it. So him having to die to be reborn as the one, ties into the Jesus metaphor and the Socrates metaphor and the Trinity love, which ties into the Oracle three times over. I'm going to ask a question that maybe gets answered in the later movies. Sure. Because I've only seen...

Right, you're right. We're not doing those... Yeah, and An Animatrix, you saw. Yeah, any amount of an Anamatrix. Does the blue... Do we ever find out what the blue pill actually does? You wake up back in your bed and you think... That's what they say.

Do we ever see anybody take it? I think Major Deseriction says it. You think the new one. There's a part of me, and this is my tinfoil hat theory that thinks that the real... Matrix, the Zion experience, is a bit of programming design to bring Kianu the malware that is Neo to the surface, and that we've not seen the actual real world yet, and that we might have certain characters we think that are real be programs within the matrix. I think we've still potentially had another layer coming in this next one. I mean, that's, and that's, all that stuff is laid out to where it's possible, but it's just, it, it's possible when it needs to also make sense and not in a way that it's like, wait, what? Because that's, yeah, you can't. You can't. You can't. dream within a dream. Yeah, because in the third movie,

a lot of this stuff that happens, you're like, wait, what? The drop off between one and two is bad, but not horrendous, drop off between two and three is pretty rough. It's a bad time. Well, that's why I'm hoping that four, you know, and it looks like from the trailer,

that it goes back to what this movie is. Yeah, that's what I'm here. And you spend a lot more time inside of the Matrix and the ideas and the philosophies and all of that because I do want to say, though, about Joey Pantino, who I love, George Panty. Love him.

The only problem with his casting is that it's not really a surprise when he turns on him. Sure. Because it's Joey Pants. He's usually always either bad guy or criminal or something too. A Fratelli. He's in the Sopranos. He's a Fratelli.

I mean, so a lot of times when he's doing it, minus him being what the lieutenant in bad boys. But he's, you know, so when it happened, you're like, okay, well, we knew that was coming. But I thought they did a nice setup to where Tank winds up coming back. I mean, Judas always seemed pretty obvious. So I feel like him being the Judas, you're like, well, guys, maybe don't trust that guy. You know it right away. And even the way that he's, like, you know, the way that he's doing, I do love that conversation that he has with Asian Smith.

It's like, I want to be someone important, like an actor. Yeah, because that adds a metanist to a meta movie, which is, which is genius. I love that idea. I love the thought of it. I love that scene where he's got the stake. And he's just like, I know this isn't real. I know that it's not. I know that it, because what that scene does, it also allows you.

it starts to tell you more so, more information about the movie. Yes. And it's just those little tidbits where it's just like, the Matrix is telling me that these are, it's sending symbols to my head to tell me that it tastes juicy and delicious. And that does two things for me is, is it's mind over matter, which we later see through powers.

So that movie is, he knows consciously it's not real, but his mind is able to overpower the information. So he tastes it again. So the mind over matter later is beautifully rendered, but there is no spoon. Like the matter of the spoon is irrelevant because you are the one that bends.

So mind of the matter is kind of the theme of the film and the concepts. But it also to me shows there's this concept in reincarnation that when we're dead, our soul experiences the true forms of life. So a form in the cave metaphor and stuff is the truest essence of something. And when our soul is free from our bodies, it's able to experience true beauty, true horror, true love. And what we experience through deja vu, which also is used in this film, is our bodies remembering those things.

So I also felt like they were touching on the idea that every time we were plugged in or plugged out of the matrix or we become a new body because you see the gooey residue of other people feeding the babies. That's a form of reincarnation. So the idea that our bodies inherently remember

positive forms and we're drawn to something. And I feel like that steak moment was in a very literal steak method a way of showing like humans are we know something's off. We know something's Jeff's out of center. And I don't know if you guys, but I've always lived with that like splinter in my mind. thing where I feel like something's off at all times.

So I literally don't trust any reality. And I always wonder if that is either mental health or if it's something that's pulling me towards we're led by questions. So is it keeping me asking questions to keep me from being idle or is it something as broad as a past concept? Yeah. I think mental health probably. Probably mental health.

I mean, I live in LA and I definitely do talking to the camera for living. That would be it. I was calling the cops during that whole thing. All right, guys. I'm going to get a head start. No, I know. It's a great point you made, though, too, because that's, I mean,

that's ultimately what this movie wants you to do. It wants you to think about those things. It doesn't want you to, I mean, look, the action scenes are phenomenal. The technology at the time. This is the thing.

When you say that Phantom Menace came out the same year, I'm like, why didn't the speeders look better? Flying. I don't think the speeders look pretty good in that, in the pod racing?

No, no, not the pod racing. Which one? Like, you just see like a bunch of, I don't know if Thomas Harper's going to be mad, but just like a bunch of ships flying like in the sky. I'm like, oh no. Like it's like there's land below. I'm like, this is a green sky.

Well, the tech that they had, it was definitely, everybody started doing. Oh, yeah, scary movie made a fucking meal out of it. Everybody started doing it afterwards. And it was just, it was tired after a bit. But they really changed the game with the effects and the way that they used it. And again, remember, this was not a movie

that Warner Brothers thought was going to be what it was. Joel Silver, no chance he knew. I was going to say, you work for it. for Joel silver. I did. It was way before this. I mean, but it was, oh, excuse me, way after this, but this was... No, no, no, no, but way after this was, but, you know, he, that's the thing, Joel caught gold.

Mm-hmm. A bunch of times, predator, die-hardt. Leathold weapon. Weird science. Leithel weapon. I mean, it goes on and on and on, and this one was the one that basically had him set up at Warner Brothers for years. Obviously, Project X. Project X. Not the worst movie in the world. I know it was on that movie. I had to five weeks in that book. Did you, did you work with that movie?

Yeah, we're just Joel and, uh... But did you work with Ethan Irwin at the time? Because he was on it, yeah, Ethan's, Ethan was the producer on that movie. No! Oh, we gotta have that talk. Do you know Ethan is the president of Silver Pictures now? What? Did you not know that? None of this. Yeah, Ethan's a president. Joel doesn't even run the company more. Ethan is, Ethan is, Ethan runs the company. Ethan runs Joel's company. And Ethan was, would he have been on set? At that time, yeah. That is insane. Yeah, Ethan, Ethan is, Ethan is, Ethan went from me. I was an

I was an actor and a stunt guy and I was the, so in the original script, there was a villain, which they pretty much wrote out. I was the, I was the, the villain's best friend. So as they were changing the script on the day, which they did because it was a party movie, they just were like, hey, Coy, you want to a skateboard down that roof? Okay. I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised if Ethan wrote some of it because Ethan was

there. Ethan was there in 2000, when I got there in 2005, that's when I met Ethan. Ethan was there in 2005. Navid was there, Eric Olson, Gambino. That's amazing. Susan Downey. And Ethan's still there and stayed all the way through. And now Ethan, after Joel left.

Ethan outlived Joel. I got to ask him about it. If we met on that set, it'll be like the Winston moment all over again. This show is teaching me all about my own life. I'm trapped in the matrix of my own reality. Look, this movie, it takes place in 2199 is what Morpheus says. You believe it is. You think it's a 1999.

It's close to a 21. Yeah, look, we lost track. The question is, are people shaving their balls in 2199? I don't know if they're doing that or not. They're probably doing it in the Matrix. Probably not on the ship. But if you were smart, you'd be shaving your ball bags. And you've got to do it because, ladies and gentlemen, guess what?

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Clean up your nuts and make Santa proud this year. Stop being a fucking asshole. All right. I hope Keanu watches this. I hope. I hope he's like, you know what? I'm enjoying their conversation. And then nuts.

And he gets one. I hope he does one. I hope he does one. I'll send them. Yeah, I think, because, I mean, Kiano, we got to make sure he's good. He's got the beard for John Wick. We want to make sure he's taken care of.

He's got him. Yeah, he's got him. You wouldn't be surprised at that motherfucker invented it. He's got the one. Yeah. He's like, how great is that?

Now that makes sense. Now this makes sense. I've played with her every single time I've come into this. How amazing is carrying in that movie. She's so good. Like, what a force of nature. She's not ugly. And just, like, so goddamn capable.

I just love that she can just hang. Well, she is just, it's a great character overall because of, like, she's, like, doubtful in the beginning. Just a little bit. Because she knows what the oracles told her. But she's doubtful. But she's still willing to give it a shot and say, all right, this is, I believe in Morpheus. Yeah. Morpheus is saying, like, I mean, he's relentless saying that this is the guy.

So this is the guy that I'm apparently going to fall in love with this guy. So let me see if he's. got the goods. And then the more and more she spends time with them, the more and more she's like, okay, I'm kind of starting to fall for this guy. And he does have it in him. And even when that whole thing went, when pulling the, pulling the plugs on on everybody when Joey Pants is doing it. And it's a cipher, right? Yep. And I, and another quotable line, I like these. Dude, she's only got a couple lines, but so much impact. That's the most, that's so memorable. then we're done.

But when he's like, look in those eyes and tell me, you think he's the one? She's like, yes. And he goes, no. And then boom. Yeah. The efficiency of time is so incredible because you only get so much time with her. You only get so much time with Wheaties guy, the snob. Oh, mouse.

Yeah. You only get so much time, but you care about when you lose them. You do, right. You're so invested. And the, the balance in action and long, heady philosophy and back to plot. Like, the movie juggles so much in just over two hours. It's so more movies need to look at this. We haven't had anything really like it.

Inception is maybe the closest. But I would argue even Inception doesn't really balance it as well. Like Inceptions, I love Inception. I don't rewatch Inception as much. Yeah. Like I'll watch Matrix four or five times every couple years. I've only seen Inception like four or five times total. Yes.

That's a harder one for me to, I know where you're going with it, but Inception is one of my favorites of all time. Yeah, yeah. I'm talking about the balance for me. But there's something about Matrix that like even for this. Like there's certain movies that we watch in Spider-Man or Star Wars and I was like, here we go. Shrap in.

Here we go. I'm a little like that with Revolution. I'm not going to laugh. I'm a little worried about Matrix 3. And I know we're going to talk about Animatrix. There's a lot of Animatrix that I really like, but there were some of them and I feel like, okay, let's go. I never feel like that with Matrix.

Not a moment. I'm just, I, like, even, I'm just, I watched it with my wife a year ago. Yeah. And I was like, let's, I'll watch it again. And I know she wants to watch it again because she wants to see the new one. Right. So I'll watch it again with her. Yeah.

It's like. She likes it, too? She likes the first one. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's just such a, it's just such an incredible movie overall that it does lend itself to be able, because of what they have going for them leaning into this new movie is because of the computer and because of rebooting things and rebooting a system, you can get away with, besides of just like, it was a dream. Yeah. Or the Dallas thing or this didn't really happen or it was a retcon.

You can do it because of the, you can do it because of the, you. the way that computer programs works. Matrix was version six. They talk about how this was the sixth iteration of the Matrix. So we have the opportunity for version seven. This could be version 20. We really don't know because they allow for that kind of storytelling. Well, Smith has that whole conversation with Morpheus

when he's trying to get the stuff out of his brain. He goes, you know, the first version of the Matrix was basically essentially Eden. Yeah, exactly. And he was telling and he's saying that, but humans rejected it. Yeah. Because they didn't buy it. And all of that. The human beings as a virus thing

has struck with me since 99. The reality is really, we don't know what it is. And the more like I look at the Mandela Effect, the more I look at like certain realities that don't make sense to me, the more I look at, you know,

our spatial awareness, things that we can't quite comprehend. Like the Mandela effect freaks me out because the Berenstein Bears thing, the shack in that wizard movie, like things that we miss remember. Like, Berenstein Bears,

like it's Bernstein Bears. Like we all think it's spelled differently than it is. Yeah. Like the concept of Berenstein Bears and the Mandela effect, the fact that we all thought Mandela was dead. And then like 20 years later actually died. Like, that's the concept. Oh, okay.

Those glitches in the Matrix, I've been wrestling with since 9-and-9. I read Berenstim Bears to my kid all the time. I know. I was like, she got gone. Oh, no. Papa. Oh, no. Papa Bear got canceled. He's out. He's done. I'll tell you, those fucking bears, though, you can't come up with a better name than brother or sister bear. That's all you get. And then the baby's honey bear. I'm like, she's going to be a strepper. Honey bear, though, at least has a little bit of, you know, personality. Yeah. Or who else is brother and sister bear? It's a good. Give me a break.

That's all they get. Yeah. But to this day, like, when I wake up and I'm not sure if I'm awake or not, like I think of this.

I don't know if any singular movie has had the impact on me in the history of my movie watching experience as The Matrix. Yeah. It's like, it's the only other movie to me, and it's for different reasons,

but Eternal Sunshine and the Spotless. Oh, I love that movie. Has a pretty solid effect on me also. But, but yes, it does because of what he says, and Morpheus,

he says to him, is you ever have a dream that you felt was just so real. And how many times you've been, the other day shit two nights ago I had a dream and I felt like I was sleeping

for like seven hours I was sleeping for 40 minutes right and and I felt like and I remembered all the it's so weird though in the dream though too where you can if you start to remember your dream right when you wake up

how much detail you can remember but as time goes on it just goes away what is that that programming where did it go it was in my head I can't remember.

You know what's crazy is that when I went on Zoloft for When I went on Zoloft She was on Zoloft. She was a serious regular in Zolov. Wait, Ethan Irwin worked it on Zoloft At the same time as I was a Zoloft.

He wrote it. He's the president of Zoloft. Oh my God. But no, when I went on Zoloft initially I started like remembering all of my I mean like just truly having vivid, vivid, awesome dream just like in remembering them all

because apparently the reason why we do or do not remember dreams is depending on when we wake up if we wake up in an rm yeah whatever but so i remember talking to my therapist and she was like or my psychiatrist and she was like so are you having these symptoms didn't and i'm like no no no no she's like vivid dreams i'm like yes i said that's a thing she's like yeah that's a thing and then also i don't know if you've experienced any of the weed gummies i've given you great dreams on gummies too yeah there is something about like altering your mind oh absolutely and we alter chemicals constantly in lSD movement timothy leary and all that and

open up the doors of perception. I mean, all that. I've literally seen realities where I've mapped the world with my face and then reality mapped over my entire body and then I felt like I controlled space time. Like I've experienced a space time awareness. So you're from a therapist, right? No, that was with the Timothy Leary map.

I didn't even realize he's sleeping. No, but like through microdosing or heroic dosing and through LSD and like through those things, we've been able to see other realities and it's kind of like the smelly fart theory. Like we're sitting in a world right, exactly. So like say he farted right now, And we didn't have the ability to smell it because one of us didn't have the olfactory sense.

Both of us had COVID. Right now we're all going to die. But we wouldn't know that happened. We wouldn't be able to sense it if we were lacking the lack of perception. That's the same as the perception of the world we live in. We can't see some colors. It's when you're, first of all, dogs have different perceptions. Right.

You can fart in a dog's face. It's vibing, man. I've tried. No, no, no. But little kids, little kids don't develop that right away. Yeah. Because if you, it's like, like, garbage smell. A little kid will just crawl.

all right, bye. Right. Right. Like, and then eventually the brain says, no, no, no, that stinks. Right. Yeah. I don't know. It probably happened quick with my, my four-year-old. But she was screaming out, oh, stinks in here. Right. Like, but that, but she wasn't doing that when she right away. Yeah. Like even, like, even, even when she can talk wasn't one of these things of just, like, making a face or the, dude, the smell is, it's just there for them. And dogs don't know. They just think the air smells bad once in a while. Phantom limb theory. Like, when, when, when someone loses an arm and still feels it, there is something to that that is more than what we're experiencing. The fact that we can acknowledge neurons that are no longer firing, the fact that we can have sensations in something that isn't there, I just don't necessarily believe in this.

Yeah. I don't buy it. Well, I'll smack you over the head with some close to this. But either way. So this is, you go back to him. I think that what really moves this movie is once Morpheus, like the Oracle tells him, you're going to have a shot here, kid, this is it. You're going to have it. You're going to choose.

He believes it so much. And she knows exactly what she's doing. She knows that he's the one. she knows and she's and she's basically like here's here's what you got to do he's going to sacrifice himself because he believes that you're the one so you've got to you've got to go in there and you've got you got to make a choice your life or his and neo even says and neo at this point doesn't necessarily believe that he is the one but he believes that he knows that he can save morphias and this is the only problem i i think even though i said it's perfect i think i do have one

question about when neo and trinity are on the helicopter and they're firing that big gun why don't they hit Morpheus? I have the same exact question. How does he, he's in the background in the chair, and he's like, you know, he's like,

I know he's able to manipulate the bullets and stuff too. I always thought it's the opposite of dodging bullets. For me, yeah, for me, I just saw it as like, he's controlling where they go as well as like him stopping in that direction.

I can get behind that because of the way that, you know, because he can fly and the way that he can certain do stuff. It's just, there's just a lot going on with the amount of, the amount of bullets, but whatever. I mean,

he's able to manipulate all other realities. He's flying and the stopping. For me, it's like... But he hadn't gotten to that point yet, though, where he is on the helicopter. Remember, because he doesn't really... Because even when he's on the roof, he was, Trinity!

And that's the first time he does something like that. So he really hasn't manipulated. That's fair. So that's... If it was, if it was, like, in the middle of two or three, and he did that, but, oh, yeah, well, he knows how to manipulate it. He's a superman now.

He hasn't figured it out yet. So, but I can give it a pass. Because we talk about that roof scene and everything that's going on. It's like, he's starting to believe. Like, all. All of that. That comes later on. Chills, man.

Like seeing that slow-mo, the ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch. And there's just so much going on and the visuals are so per- I love the green tent the whole movie has when you're in the Matrix. And, oh, man,

90s techno is like nothing else for energy, man. Like, Prodigy and Crystal Method, that is my jam. I love that they use. I love that the Wachowski's used. I listen ADM all the time to help me write,

whether it's ADD or whatever, too. It's funny. Like Ellis walked in one day and I had it blasting on my ears and he's like, you can write to that? I go it shuts everything out. Yeah.

Have you tried bionic tones? No. You can have a bionic tone of one frequency in this year and one other than this year, and it helps your brain actually calibrate differently. Like I've cried putting on headphones where it was like tears. Like it caused immediate emotion. All right. So I'm going to have to,

I'm going to have to do this. Try bionic tones as fast. You always said to me, you really want to put on a pair of headphones and cry. It's so helpful. This is how you do it. Usually what I just walk around in my backyard and cry. Cry.

That's more about the four-year-old. That's more about the four-year-old. More about in general, I'm picking up shit again. All right, so, but it's that, it's that moment. Go ahead, Kate. I was going to say, I do have one more question. How come Neo makes it?

How can he lives? What do you mean? Yeah. Because he has to die in order to believe he's the one. It's the reincarnation. That's because that's the thing is that what they tell you, what they tell, most people who are plugged in. Yeah.

If you die in the matrix, because your brain makes it real. But he believes so fully. Oh, did it make it real? And that's what activates the oneness. So that's why when. they die on the ship, they're actually dead dead. So if Neo would have died on the ship, he's dead. But he dies inside the matrix, but he knows it's not real.

He knows how to manipulate it. So what's the threat of them chasing you in the matrix then? Well, because not everybody can do that. Only Neo. He's only going to even fight the agents before. He's the one. That's not the two. The point is that he's that.

So I missed that. But Morpheus tells him when he's telling him about there was a guy that was able to manipulate the matrix and able to do all this stuff. And then you see it when he's, like he's seeing in code when he when he's like that's and that's sound design too man it's great when you hear the

yeah but how about like the old Western feel of when he's in the subway scene with with Angel Smith and like even even the piece of paper goes about like an old dust ball yeah and then they duel but Kung Fu and even when Neo's he does that confidence

they embracing it and one of my favorite bits of sound design in the history of cinema is when he catches his hand he goes and he like does the little oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it's pretty great Oh, I love the movie so much. It's great. So did you, go ahead, okay.

You had something? There was another. What scenes, but what scenes really stood up to? At what point? Because you, like you said, it's beginning. I'm new. Because you're using your eyes for the first time. When you started watching it?

Yeah. And like you said, you had a lot of questions. Yeah. When did you start going, oh, I get it. And then it's like, oh, my God, this movie's great. I think once he, once he got a head hole. It started to make, like, once they gave him a brain hole. I feel like, I was sort of like, okay, I'm feeling this out.

I'm feeling this out. And like, the hacker stuff was like, really clear and then like him getting but once he actually like joined them on the ship that's when i was like oh and like there is some exposition to help explain it of it but um i have to say like i i loved all of the training montages like him but not even training because it's he just was programmed but also he and laurence fishburn did they when they filmed this that looks like it's at least kianu oh yeah he learned so much and and uh larry fishburn did they speed up the filming You mean for the martial arts when they're doing it?

Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay, okay. That's, but that seems so great. Even when they're, he's like, Neos, Morfut's fighting Neo and they'll run out and drop everything. And they watch it in code. I love that they're watching it like that. Yeah.

They can see it and it's, well, but they're watching in a code at one point, but then they're actually, you can actually see them almost like VR. You know, like, it's like projection because you think about it. In 2199, you'd be able to project the actual images

of what the program is on a, on a screen and to watch them doing that and seeing, and then going into, the jump. No one makes their first jump. Did you think he was going to make it? Yes, I did. You did? Of course I did. I also love, like, that's a leap of faith metaphor times two, because he, the initial leap of faith would have been, you know,

he's coming out of the building and he didn't trust fully. And then he trusts when he does the leap of faith and still fall. So I honestly think the leap of faith is meant to fail. Like, you need to experience your trust being validated. He fully trusted him enough to have that Looney Tunes in the moment. You have Morpheus, who tells him, he says to him, he goes,

there is, there's a lot of people that they're not, they don't understand it. They're plugged into the matrix and they're, unfortunately, they're enemies. They can't understand it. So you're like, okay, it tells us, it tells the audience. Wait a minute.

Look deeper. Yeah, we got to look deep. We also know that they don't know that they're connected to the internet. They're connected to the internet. Yeah. They don't see it. They don't see it.

So when they go, they got to go. Right. And the moment for me, actually we're talking about the fight. Like, you think that's air, you're breathing now. There's so many moments that make you, like you as the audience go like, okay. Let's talk about it. Let's see where we go from here.

And the writing is so tight and it doesn't waste a breath. Yeah. Kate? Yes. Thank you. Also, if you guys, have you ever done a flotation tank? Have you ever done? The sensory deprivations. I've wanted to so bad.

Oh, I highly recommend. There's one of Woodland Hills that I love. Oh, there is. Okay. And there's group on the time, so it's affordable. Oh, she loves a group on. I'm a grubon guy. But like, it puts you in a, it puts you in a tank that actually reminds me in the matrix. Obviously, this informed my life. But you are at a temperature that is your exact body temperature and you're

completely weightless and you're floating in this abstraction and your brain is able to find new tributaries and places it's never been because think about how often you're just aware of your body and you're aware of all these things and all these visuals. Within like 10 minutes, it's like skipping ahead to year 20 being a Buddhist monk. Like you just

meditate deeper and see further and experience more. And I often think about what that would be like as parallel the first moment, seeing the real world in the Matrix, seeing for your first time. And it feels like being one of those pods. Like, I highly recommend. It's funny.

Do you watch the show Dave either of you? Oh, I love Dave. So there's season two. Yeah. I'm not giving anything away, but he... He's a Matrix, Aligua, there's a whole matrix sequence. Well, I was going to say he goes into a deprivation tank. Yeah.

But he comes out with the eyebrows and things. It's a matrix. Yes, oh, that's right. Yeah. But he, but yeah, basically he, they leave him in there. They forget to take him out. Right. And he basically has had this horrible.

Horrible, horrible writer's block, and he comes out of the tank. He's at Rick Rubin's house. Yeah, right? There's an almost Rick Rubin, like wandering the bag, and then you see a real Rick Rubin. Highly recommend a flotation tank. Yeah. Well, you know, the, you guys mentioned mouse before. Yeah.

I love that scene when he's sitting there and he's talking, when they're eating the goop, and he's talking about how do you know what chicken? Because everything tastes like that. Yes. That was another great line. Yeah. Yeah. So much, but you know what I wish, you know what they wish they had?

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You're lying. No, it's bomb. It's so good. Do you hear any of speeches before? No, because it's got like that. And you wonder why he's been dreaming. Guys, if you put Guinness in your series. He's like, I know you guys probably feel the same way,

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Jumping back into. We got a little bit of time left on this rewatch of Matrix. And we are going to be doing. So next week we will be doing Atomatrix and then followed by the two and then three. And that will lead us into the Resurrections movie, which is, it's so close. I'm so excited. Every bit of footage I see, every line of dialogue I read like this. I don't know.

There's something really special about living in an age where we had the Magist's about 9, which was pre-Internet 1. As we go pre-Internet 3, we're about to transition into a brand new internet. So Internet 1 was your AOL era and trying to figure it out. Yeah, and then internet two has been where we've been living for the last like 20 years. And then internet three is going to be where things are arguably more digital than analog. Because we're getting to the point where money is arguably, I mean, it's this. Because we're, I mean, the new iPhones 13s, you can already do AR, you can already look at a store.

And we put these things on and you put these things on and you're driving drones around. Right. Like that's, it's augmented reality to a level that. So the new internet is coming. So I love that we're getting a movie much like 99 was setting up internet two. We're setting up internet three through the matrix. And the trailer to me, One of my favorite shots is Keanu's in an elevator.

That's a glass elevator. And that's one, a fourth wall reference, which I dig. But also, everyone is plugged in, but manually by choice. They're all plugged into the matrix of their phones. While he's looking around, like no one's living in this reality. So we've already, in our reality, made the choice to plug in. We've all taken the collective blue pill. We've all made the choice to not be here.

So I'm going to be really curious how people react to being called out so directly by a film. because we've all chosen ignorance as bliss. We've all been cipher this whole time. And it's going to be interesting to see how they tell that story without being like to album us. Do you feel like it probably is hard to imagine but that people might watch this and not pick up on all the stuff that you do?

Guaranteed. Okay. Because I'm going to say like you've got a brain that's very special. I watch movies differently than most. And also remember that when a movie speaks to you the way that this movie spoke to Koi, the amount of research you probably did on it, books you read on it

articles you read on it like things like so he's this is this is 20 years of data of data yeah because I started you did you did start like I started when you're like the book that he's carrying around read it immediately like as soon as I left this movie I started picking up books on philosophy and I 11 I think I was like yeah turning 12

so like I picked up Kant when I was 12 and I started reading on how dare you we don't say that word around there I think I jerked off into a sock the first time I was No but I really like this to me was like, yo, if I'm going to live in a world, I saw this movie as a cautionary tale for a lack of control. And at 11 years old, I decided that I didn't want to be someone that was taking the blue pill and someone that wasn't in control. And I made a cop jab earlier. Sorry, I take that

back. But there's a certain part of me that I have a problem with authority when it's not in my control. And I do feel like I'm living in an age where I don't feel like I'm in control of government or police force or these authoritarian things. And that's why, again, I apologize. But I do feel this movie informed me going like, no, no, I'm going to be in control. I'm going to make these choices. So I'm going to learn because the only knowledge we have, the only power we have is knowledge. So I started reading then what this movie was telling me like, hey, this might help you in a broader

sense. So I'm obviously watching these movies from a perspective of this already shaped me. How is it going to reshape me? I'm going to see this movie as a resurrection of that side of me as much as it is an action movie. So I'm already prepared to have this conversation and look forward to having this conversation with everyone because I feel like it only

benefits us to look at the world differently. Like when I do drugs, it's me taking sunglasses off and seeing the world differently. It's not me trying to feel or augment or trip or have an experience that's like a party, it's literally me going, what else could be this perspective? How else could I see this? Just like when you read a book, if you actually think about the act of reading a book, you're looking at a bunch of dead trees with a bunch of ink on them,

making little shapes that we've all decided mean that. And you're tripping balls going like, I'm going on this journey and I'm feeling this. That's the same as doing a mushroom or an acid or anything like that. It's just a perspective shift. So I'm going into these movies going, I want to immerse myself in this world where I'm experiencing something as visceral, role as reading a book, as putting myself here, and I want to grow from it very consciously,

and I want to be informed about how I can make better choices for my life. So I picked up these books at young. That's, it's really, it's a very special brain, I have to say. Like, I feel like a lot, like, I think about like my son, who's six now, but I imagine when he's 11, if he sees the Matrix at 11, he'll be like, who, who, he'll be like, you know, pick up on it. It's like, but I was reading comics at two. Like, I read Jurassic Park when I was five, I was reading comics at too. Like I learned how to speak and read. Sorry. Wait. You read Michael Crichton's.

Jurassic Park, like five or six. I didn't get all of it, admittedly, but I knew the basic plot and I was able to go like, yo, we're in a messy way society. Look at Vivi. Vivi's been reading full books. Five or six. She started reading books at like five or six. I know, but not Crichton. But so, and I can't account for like a amount I absorbed because I was a child. And I can't ask my parents, like, what do you think?

But I was able to go like, this is what my experience was. that when I saw The Lost World, I was, like, making references and I was able to understand, like so. But, but my, I remember reading that book when I was,

I don't know, in my teens and being like, a lot of this is really, but I was so weird that I, I liked reading and talking, hence my job now, more than I liked doing anything else to the point where I forgot how to walk.

So I learned how to walk, and then I forgot because I was so engaged in sitting and reading, they had to take my books away and my little drivey car away. Like, I, I got crippled in, not the crippled sense,

but I got, I got so impaired by my want for knowledge that I forgot motor function. Which another reason, another reason the Matrix speaks to me is I literally got so much knowledge I was impaired. No, there's just certain movies that really do that for you. And this is, this was your Star Wars. Yeah, 100%. This really was.

This was a movie like what the way people were in 1977, as an 11-year-old kid, someone, you know, would go and see it. That's how this movie spoke to you. And this is why this one hopefully can resurrect, spinningly enough. But not even just your hope. but the franchise in general, because that's what they're going to be counting on, right? This, this, because if this movie doesn't hit, it's over. Right.

It's over. But I am hoping, my expectations are high. I'm hoping this resurrects my belief in mankind. Like, I really want to believe, like, at this point in my life, I'm a posthumist. At this point in my life, I believe that we've lost hope for us to maintain this for even my grandkids' generation.

I think my kids could live almost a full life, but that's it for the planet. Whereas if we accept a post-humanist reality, like the Matrix is kind of inferring, especially in the Animatrix, which we'll talk about next week, we can kind of blend our corporal flesh with machinery. We're going to have more cyborg elements.

We're going to have more. Maybe we do upload our reality to a cloud and we actually willingly accept the matrix and we remove our sentient concepts and put it in something digital that this planet can survive. But I don't know unless we make changes in the next five years

if we're going to live in any reality that isn't digital first, analog second. And I'm hoping the matrix has elements of that that gives me belief that we're worth saving because I do believe we're a virus. I do believe there's an element that humanity needs to be uploaded and removed before we destroy.

the only thing we have. Because for some reason, we're like, let's go to Mars, this thing that has nothing that can save us instead of fixing the thing that can save us. And choices like that make me believe,

one, that we're in a simulation, but two, that unless we start changing this reality, we're done. It's funny, if you think we're a virus, why would you spread it by having kids? Because I want the balance to be, in my opinion, a lot of dumb people, and this isn't saying everyone

that has nine kids is dumb, but a lot of dumb people just have a lot of kids. So I think we need to balance that with intelligent people that are going to raise the future better to have one or two. Otherwise, we're overrun.

It's a population issue. It's an intelligence issue. It's how you raise the kids issue. So I actually want to have three and adopt four. Like I want to have an army where I'm helping overpopulation, but also passing on my genes while also raising people to be more intelligent to counteract the amount of people just spewing out kids that are not being educated on bigotry, much less theology, much less philosophy,

and to kind of counter the scales to make the future actually worth living. Because plenty of people having kids. You could raise my kids for it. So that's the overall thing is that you look at what this, this movie does get people talking. It does get people. thinking and that's what a really good story in general does. That's ultimately

what this movie does. Matrix 1, first one, at the end of the movie, this is why, this is the same thing though when it comes to like the Star Wars the new movies. But it's different. But the Star Wars and new movies, they knew they were doing a trilogy.

Right. And there was no plan. This movie didn't know it was doing a trilogy because I didn't know it was going to be so good, but there was clearly no plan to do two and through. Maybe the Wachowski's had an idea to say, okay, if we go further on, we're going to do this, this, and this. But he flies up into the sky at the end of the movie.

You're like, oh, what's that going to be? And then when you pick back up in the second one, it's just, it's not as effective. What I heard was they wanted to do a trilogy and have one be a prequel, one be a sequel, and they would tell the story of the Revolution, which is what turned into the Animatrix. But the prequels of Star Wars not doing so well.

They were like, ooh, people don't like prequel. So Warner Brothers was like, here, have some millions to make the Animatrix, but we still want three movies, so we're going to split your one story into two, which is apparently, and I'm not, well, you said it last time, but when we, and we want to be clear on that, when you say the prequel's not doing well,

you're talking about as far as, like, reviews and, yeah. Yeah, because money, money. Oh, if they made money, shit on money. But, I mean, Wachowski's are people of, like, looking at art. So I imagine they're going to be like, oh, this isn't popular. Maybe they should have done it because it didn't work out with the, with two and three,

with two and three. Yeah. I mean, again, I'm looking forward to what, rewatching two because I remember watching two and said, I'm very curious to how you feel about it, because I remember seeing two, and I liked two more than most, but I said that I'm going to like two even more or less depending on how three pans out.

Right. Because it's such a setup for three. And then when you're like, okay, if three delivers, then this movie, people are going to go back on this movie and they're going to go, oh, man, I missed it. Now I get it, but it's the opposite. I've also never seen a movie with a sequel go more.

Like, we've got a hundred new ideas. And then in three, they're like, we're not going to talk about it. Like they introduced so many characters like, what you guys knew three was coming. A lot of you. They do that. Yeah. And the beauty of what this one is is lost in those.

Because like what we're talking about, these little moments then, whether it is that moment of Morpheus saying, that person right there, like, yeah, they're just another person plugged in, but they're your enemy because they don't get it. Like, because then that allows you as an audience member to later on say, oh, I can't understand why they had to do that.

Yeah. As opposed to not watching it blindly, because there's a lot of those questions in two and three. And they don't like, yeah, I'm really curious your thoughts, because it's even more, but it is less, it's handled less succinctly. Are all of the films, the Wachowski's?

Yes. Okay. So, does that, when you see that three, you said three did not deliver for you necessarily. Does that, does that affect the way you feel about one? No. I'm one of those people that,

I always am curious, people are like, I don't want to reboot because it'll mess up the original. I'm like, bruh, it doesn't rewrite your Blu-ray. Like, I just watch the original. It literally doesn't affect my experience of the art itself. It just means I don't watch three as much as one. Right. I've never understood the don't rewrite history thing.

Now, making the special edition that is actually rewriting something, I understand a kickback. Yeah, I don't like to do when you're changing the thing that it was. If they went into the Matrix 1 and started messing stuff up, that's like, that's why even, even Spielberg, who tried to do that with ET at one point and then went back and go, no, no, no, you guys were right. Spielberg, Lucas will never admit that. Spielberg says, no, you're right. I shouldn't, because he replaced, I think, the guns for phones or something. Waukee talkies.

Walkie-Tonkeys. Yeah, and they look rough. They look bad. Yeah. I don't even think you can find those any. I don't even think you can find that. Yeah, I don't think it, like a VHS. I don't think it exists in normal.

But look, so this is the first Matrix. We are done with that one. We're going to be back for Animatrix. It won't be as long of an episode next week because Anamatrix. It's a shorter. There's just the, I think, like, nine shorts that lead into part two. But we'll get into it, ladies and gentlemen. But this is the big thing.

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