The Kristian Harloff Show - REWATCH! Thor (2011)

Episode Date: June 24, 2022

Thor: Love and Thunder is coming out soon and it is the 4th in the Thor film franchise. The one that started it all though was THOR back in 2011 starring unknown Chris Hemsworth and Natalie Portman directed by Kenneth Branagh. The MCU film about the Norse God and the God of Thunder finally came to life. On this rewatch episode, Kristian Harloff, Winston A. Marshall and Coy Jandreau discuss the film. HELP THE SHOW! RUMPL: http://www.rumpl.com/BIGTHING CODE: BIGTHING  ATHLETIC GREENS: http://www.athleticgreens.com/bigthing  STORYBLOCKS: http://www.storyblocks.com/bigthing Follow the crew on Twitter! Kristian Harloff https://twitter.com/KristianHarloff Coy Jandreau https://twitter.com/CoyJandreau Winston Marshall https://twitter.com/TheSwaggyBlerd Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It's nice to see you. I can't see you, but I say it anyway. What's going on, everybody. Nice to have you back here. It's the big thing. What a week it's been, as Eugene Levy said, what a week I'm having. None of my co-host know what movie that is because they weren't born during the time. Splash, 1984.

I love Splash. Good for you. So it's great to have you guys here. And we're doing a rewatch. It's Thor today as we get ready to go see Thor. love and thunder and we're going to be doing a rewatch every Friday leading up to it. There's a few reviews already on the channel. So subscribe.

If you haven't done it already, got a black phone review up. I got Elvis review up. Got all the Obi-Wan stuff up. There's some reactions going on. A little busy, busy week, man. And at this point, the out-of-the-the-the-the-the-the-the-the-tear reaction for Thor is already on the channel as well. So we are doing good old Thor today. is the 2011 Kenneth Brana film.

I got Winston. I got Koi. And we are doing it. Let's go. Come on. It's a big thing. Let's get it. At the wide shot, you didn't know it was going to happen. A garage door with a curtain hanging off the back and a ring light. There's Ken Napsok next to the horse. All right. So you see him up there?

Beautiful work. Yeah, Ken to the... Look at all beardless. So that's a... Yeah, that's from... I did an hour. show at uh it was my hour special that i did at this place called room five and it was ken and my buddy lj my friend jody miller who all uh went up for me ken hosted the night so and that's the headshot that he used for it so um this is this is a wide shot that we're using at the moment um i think

people like it just you get to see the full setup of the of the show in general and then you get you get this one trying to fix coy's lighting give me break uh work and i just got a wide shot for you so You've been talking about the wine shot forever. There you go. You just need to get like another tiny ring light. Right here. We need a ring light there. But like here.

I think so. Balance my face. The new studio would be great too. I mean, hey. We're getting there. That's a thing. We're working on it. We'll see.

I hear rumors. I hear a lot of rumors. Who knows anymore? I have no idea. All I know is that we watch Thoy. Thoy. We watch Toy. We're not cool.

We watch Toy. We watch Toy. Yeah. You know what you do. That's terrible. You bounce back and forth. I'm a big, I'm, you just sit still. I mean, you've met me.

Have I ever sat still? No, it's true. I'll focus up. Let's try, I'll find some sense. Just pretend like Magneto was pulling your enamedium skeleton straight down. I'm going to do this once. Okay, what we got?

I don't want to do it again. Okay, this is the far back so I'll go. So I'll fall forward. Oh, look at that. It's perfect. At a girl. All right. Clever girl.

Let's, let's do. Never again. We're done. We're done with that. No, no. Well, don't, don't, don't jinks it. Don't change it. It's coming back.

We're going to watch them all again if they do another world? I don't think so. At that point, I don't think we have to at that point. Thor was something I was actually looking forward to rewatching. I actually did watch it recently with my wife, where we did the MCU rewatch. We didn't get through all of them,

but we got through all the Thor's, but we didn't get through all the MCU movies yet. But it's amazing when you look at where Thor is today, and not even just as solo movies, but the character in general from 2000, where he is in 2022 to where he was in 2011. They were going more so with that. He's serious.

Everyone else is kind of joking around him, but he's more of the serious. Even when he's doing things, like when he slams down the, which is hilarious. Another. Yeah. This is delicious.

Yeah, but there's a deleted scene of him going back and, like, bringing the waitress a mug and apologizing and ask if he can imbibe in their fluids. And like, basically like, that's hilarious.

And it's, and they should have kept it in, but they literally, he takes a mug from, Natalie Portman's and brings it to the cafe and apologies. That would have been the same way in, because we're going to talk about Dark World next week. And the same way in Dark World, there's two, the two post credits. Yeah.

That would have been a perfect second post credit, like to the fun one where it's just him giving the mug. But again, we didn't. We didn't have those yet. It wasn't a precedent. We weren't there yet. Yeah, I thought that, I thought that what Kenneth Brana did in this movie was he brought his style that kind of, they asked him for that Shakespearean stuff, that you could

feel it inside of the actual as good. Guardian stuff and the way that that was set up and that was kind of that epic feel. And there was, there's comedy in this movie for sure. And it's funny because when I saw the movie back when it came out and even Dark World, I had such a, like, I don't think I was used to the Marvel humor yet the way they sprinkled it in because

that's what Kat Dennings is there for. I think Kat Dennings is way better in Loki than she is in these movies. She's in Loki? Yeah, not Loki. Yeah, not Loki. One of them. One of them. That's what I meant.

Wanda Vision. So, but yes, yes. They all blend together with it. I know. No. I just for half a second, my brain was like, No. Do I need to rewatch Loki? What's going on with Loki?

But it's funny you mentioned Loki because of how far we've come. And it's funny because you look in the terms of a movie and you look at that character development of like the journey they go on and where they go, how much, as you've mentioned, all of these characters evolves. I actually rewatching this did not like Loki. I remember when I first saw this movie. You're not supposed to. No, no, no, but not even in a way that like,

You know how people have had like a heart of... You know, because that was the thing, again, for someone that's supposed to be the god of mischief, and we get more of that in the later films, he's not really mischievous. He's just kind of a seeming douche and he's bad all the time. And not that Loki isn't in the books and everything else, but it felt now that we've gotten to see 3D Loki,

coming back to what looks like a 2D Loki was just very disappointing. It's interesting looking at the MCU as a whole, because, you know, we talk all the time about how it's like serialized almost like TV. It's like two hours. episodes, but it's interesting to look at when you've only had two hours of exposure, all an actor can do. And then the writing evolves and changes. But I'd say like between, you know, the big three, as much as I think Cap and Iron Man's arcs are perfect in how

they cross. But I think Thor has had the biggest change in the entire MCU. As far as characterization, and Loki's not far behind. I completely agree with you. And it's actually what I love the most, when I go back and look at Infinity War and Endgame, if you look at all of them, all these heroes have lost something. Thor has lost everything. When he spells it out to Rocket, you realize the scope of it. And I love the idea of using comedy as a coping mechanism, but it also is embracing Chris Hemsworth's inherent. Like, how is that guy that funny? Like, the dude shouldn't be able to look that good, be that talented and be comedic. But that's also the thing to, I don't think they, in this movie, they didn't know. Yeah. They didn't discover how funny he was. Like, right. He hits his comedic

beats in this movie. But he's not, again, he's meant to be the guy, he's meant to be Thor. Right. Right. And the Thor that everybody, there's a lot of people that still wish they had Thor, right? Because once he gets, I can't remember where the switch really came because there's a moment in Dark World and then eventually right. Yeah, but Dark World, he's still portrayed as kind of serious story. I think it happens in more so only Avengers. Is it Avengers? I think Weiden brought it out of him. Yeah, yeah, Avengers. Avengers he does, that's true. He's, he starts, it's, it's the other movies that he starts to develop it. And then I think then he does movies, whether it's vacation or Ghostbusters and those things and people, oh, wait a minute, we

we should be using Chris Hemsworth for some of these comedy bites here too, and then they switch it up more so, and obviously they really lean in on it on an end game. But this particular movie, it's, I don't think they knew what to do with Dore yet, right? And it worked. I mean, I think it worked. It works.

Like, it's one of those things that, like, this is still a mid-to-lower-mid movie for me, MCU-wise, just because things have gotten so good in that regard. but that doesn't mean it's a bad movie. Yeah, it's just comparing it. I mean, if you start with something, it needs to grow, so it's good that it improved, and that just means like this was foundational,

but, and if you look at the story you think in this movie, like it was released by a different distributor. It was way back in the early Marvel days. When they did the press release, it was like Marvel takes risks, cast two unknowns, Chris Hemsworth and Tom Hiddleston, and Tom auditioned for Thor and then got Loki, and Liam Hemsworth was the one that had booked Thor

until his brother came back and was like, Nope. Like, we almost had a Liam Hemsworth Thor. Really? And that was like literally, I think it was like three weeks before production, something absurd. Chris came in an audition again. They're like, ooh. Bring in Jawsweden, though, too.

What was the horror movie that? Cabin in the woods. He produced. But that's what, see, that was, if I remember correctly, that was in the can. They had already shot that. It was done. I know it came out afterwards. I think it came out of it.

It got delayed for like two years. He got delayed for a while. And then, because I can remember the story where he was telling you, he was like, you got to see this guy. This is the guy. that should audition. He was really pushing him after him. Yeah.

Because he had also shot that horrible ass Red Dawn remake. Red Dawn's one of my favorite movies of all time. The original 1984 film. You're talking about Kevin Smiths? No, not Red State. Red Dawn. Red Dawn. With Liamsworth, I believe.

No, no, is it Chris? Chris Hemsworth. Chris said that. Red Dawn, the original is Charlie Sheen, Patrick Swayze. It's a phenomenal, phenomenal. John Milius film. I love that movie. It's a great 80s movie.

And then they were going to remake it, And it was Josh Peck and Hemsworth in the Swayze role. And it's terrible. He's good in it, but it's terrible. And it was before he really popped. Because that was another movie that was shot. Yeah, well before. Yeah, they did all these reshoots because they didn't want to piss off certain countries

and say they had to reshoot what countries it was. Anyway, so he hadn't come out with Thor yet. And then I remember that came out after Thor. And it was like the same thing that happened when Jennifer Lawrence popped in Hunger Games. She had some horrible-ass horror movie that she shot. Oh, right. And they were like, ooh, this is a headliner now. street or something like that. Even in Star Trek. Like he's the dad. He's Kirk's dad in Star Trek.

Well, that's in the Calvin universe. But that's where he, but that's where he first people go, who's that. This guy. Who's that? Because in five minutes, he's so much. Yeah. You're immediately like, that's a movie star. And he carries on that the charisma is there for sure throughout it. And you understand. The casting is so perfect as this, even though he's not doing this Thor that we see today, the thor that we do see, you get all the arrogance. You get the progression of where he starts from, of this just arrogant fool who is just blinded by hubris and can do it. And his dad's like, no, you've got it,

but you're just not, you're not doing it right, man. I was just going to say it's really interesting because Odin is wise, but he does have that mentality, if you look at him over the course of all media, of being, having that same humorous. Yeah. He passes it on to his son. So it's so interesting. to see this portrayal by Hopkins

to really father his son to get to the place he needs to go, including when he finally dies in Ragnarok when he's giving his last piece of it. Spoiler. Ten year or five years. Which how many times are they going to be like, yo, Odin dead son?

Oh, dead. No, no, no, no. Hey, Loki's dead. No. Well, I like this cast. To stab him through the chest with the lightsaber, he'll live. He'll be fine. There's one poke.

You get a hand cut off in the OG. You get a little pokey, pokey in the stomach and the new ones. But Quigon. Quigon's like, wait a minute. Everybody can get stabbed and live. I got to be a forest ghost in the desert. Somehow, fill in the blank, survived. Come on.

But I do think this is one of the most wasted casts of what they had at the beginning. Because Idriselba should have been so much bigger than what they do with Hamdell. Natalie Portman gets like very much like damsel and distressed. And it's insane about her for a second. Because Natalie Portman. it's so bizarre. I think she's such a great actress. Like,

she's a great actress. But when she's not invested, it's phone in city. Yeah. Like, you look at someone like Tom Cruise, never phones it in. No matter what he's,

you can be in the mummy and he's not phoned in it, right? For some reason, when Natalie Portman is not, and it's not for some reason, we're all get that. If you're not really taken back,

or maybe it's exactly what you just said. She's the damsel in distress. I think she got the script. It was like, okay. And it just didn't invest. No, and because the chemistry is,

not there with them. Yeah. It's, it's not, he's trying. I love that last kiss is his real life. You guys knows that? No. So the shot of her from the back, the like the final kiss is his, Elsa, like, like his wife, like his wife, like, his wife's, like, he's not, like, he's not, like, he's not, like, another wife, portman. So that's not even Natalie Portman. So that's not even Natalie Portman. Did they say why? She was great in the fast and the furious movies. Yeah, that's fair. I mean, you're not, you're not off base here, man, because I don't know if you guys remember what, no strings attached and friends with that. Oh, I love both of those. Yeah. And I love them both, too. But there's a reason why I believe it was friends with benefits was Justin Timberlake, right? Yeah.

Yes. That one with Milakunis did better. No. No, no strings attached did better with, it was Ivan Reitman's film. With, with Ashton? Yeah. And Natalie Portman. No way.

I'll tell you right now that I'll tell you which movie was better. So I got the box office. Out of the two of them that I saw no strings attached was much, much better film. Really? Oh, yeah. I like to both. I don't remember which. Let's see.

I'm going to look. I love how this has become. The recurring theme is box office. It's not even about the movie we're talking about. That's what I mean. I liked them both, but for some reason in my mind, I remember Friends with Benefits doing better.

Let's see, it's Star Power. No strings attached. 150. It made 150 mil and cost 25. Wow. It opened almost its budget. That's incredible. What's the one called?

Friends of Benefits. Yeah, I think this one didn't do well, if I remember correctly. It made one But it costs a little more So just about the same It looked at great So technically because of budget

What about reviews? Let's go I miss rom-coms, man We'll do it later The only reason why I asked though Was because that that actually felt Like a Natalie Portman phone into me Oh which one then?

No thing's attached? Oh really? That's why I was curious if one did better than the other Oh no I didn't see that I actually thought she had chemistry with Kuchner, Ashton Kutcher. No, no, she does. But either way, this particular thing and how they set up the relationship with her and Kat Dennings,

and Kat Denny's the one who's crack jokes and, hey, look at the hot God and all that, those things. I mean, the humor in this one worked, it's funny because I remember hating the humor in both of these watching it back. I don't mind them as much. And I don't know what it, what changed. I think you just got into the MCU tone. Like the world's changed. Yeah, but even,

but even there's, I mean, I guess, I guess so, I guess it may be the goofy, that was the first. Expectation. But I guess back in 2011, that was the real first glimpse of the goofy humor that can pop into these movies because you have, Hulk didn't have much of it.

Nope. Iron Man didn't have much of it. Just just, just, just, oh yeah, exactly. It's like snarky downyism, which you expect. Yeah, what was the, Iron Man 2, Cap, no. Caps,

caps came in the form of like, you want to serve your country side, and then he's at the USO show. Yeah, Perpatriacism was like tongue-in-cheek. I guess I wasn't, I wasn't used to it yet. And now it's, and I still don't always love it. I still think this is three years out from Dark Night and Iron Man.

Like it's, it's new tones. I get why you'd feel that way. I think that's what it was. And I think the Kat Dennings just kind of threw me off because it was, that's when they really started going for, this is just the, these are just jokes. Yeah. And it's not, it's not like a real character.

I remember I saw this in theaters with my dad. And it was the first time I was like, I think they're actually going to be able to do this. I think they're actually going to be able to make, because you know, you get Iron Man, that can be a fluke, and you just have an Iron Man franchise. You get Captain Merrick, but you're like, how are those going to go together?

But once they landed Thor, I remember thinking, like, okay, they've got the big three from the Avengers. I think they might actually be able to do this because the tone of Thor was so different from Iron Man and Cap, but it still felt like something new. I wouldn't call it a Marvel movie yet, but I didn't know what I was feeling.

I was just like, this is the beginning. And to me, to this day, Thor is one of the only times it looks like they cut the budget because they're all of a sudden, and one remote town. They're like, we've got this one sec. Well, they're probably nervous. You got to remember how nervous they are at this point.

Two unknowns. Because they have not done Avengers at this point. They're setting up each character. Cap did good. Yeah. Captain Good. Hulk did not do the numbers that they thought it was going to do. So, and they're trying to lead up to the Avengers. So they're cutting back as much as they can.

They're setting up each one of their characters. And they're still, they're not the MCU that they are today. No. It's the, it's the step. That's what I'm saying so impressive is the fact that they're so like, hey, we got to cut the budget, but we'll do this. Like I thought it was smart even then to go like, hey, we don't have all of these things we can gamble with.

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And then come back and let me know how it is. Okay. So as we move on to other things going on in it's the mission itself. What did you think about the overall story in this one, though? It worked from, especially from a comic book standpoint. Simple, more simple. Yeah, it's a lean. you've got to make sure Thor goes from I'm a god to am I human to I'm worthy.

Like it's a very important arc and that's followed him through through the entire MCU. He's always searching for a sense of self. And you know, there's so many people that don't want. I like when gods are the original intent of gods, which is to be a mirror to us of our failings. It's not, they're not supposed to be these all powerful deities actually. They need to have flaws in their own ways, which is why when they cast Russell Crow, as Zeus in the new, you know, Thor movie, I was like, oh, good.

They got a guy that looks like Zeus, I imagine, from the original myths. Look, it's a guy. Well, yeah, he's not Gladiator. It's a guy that puts his dick and everything causes problems. Like, that's this whole thing. That's what Zeus is.

So, like, you need that in these gods because I don't love that Zeus in the Snyder verse is just a bodybuilder that doesn't say a word. And then the DC fans and Marvel fans have this weird thing of like, we're going to pit him against each other for absolutely no reason.

Zeus doesn't even have a line in that movie, but fans want to fight. And I love... Oh, there's the best. The internet's great. But Thor did a great job of establishing Odin as godlike, but fallible. And Thor's whole thing is searching for self. And I think that's a beautiful journey across four movies.

I think that's an important story to tell. So I think the story worked because it gave us the foundation we've lived on since. 100%. I do say, I'm talking about... I wanted to bring this up at some point with a fandom that is hilarious, by the way. Star Wars. Yes. But you know, it's great.

Within a course, I'm not kidding you both. Within the course of, I think, It was 12 minutes. I was going through the comments and responding back with the Obi-1 finale, and I saw Harlov is a Star Wars show and will never criticize Disney. And then five seconds later, it was, Harlow's too negative on this stuff. And then I switched back and just like,

of course Harlov loves his show. He loves everything Star Wars. Then I flip it, when you let Steph talk, she's the one who thinks the most positive stuff anyway. And you're just nitpicky. And I was like, you can't win. You can't win.

You can't win. That's how you know. you're killing it. That you've got much rage. You got that much rage. Dude, it was hilarious. I was going through it.

It's like, wait, do I hate it or do I love it? Tell me how I feel. How do I clearly don't know? It was amazing. Dude, stop,

stop complaining about it. Stop living it so much. What I do? What I do? It was hilarious. Oh, man. It's hilarious.

The internet's a lot. I posted a thing where nerdist ran an article saying that Hayden and Kristen, Hayden and Kristen said and you and both want to come back for season two. And I literally start casting about,

oh, spoilers. Now I know, neither of them dies the finale. And the amount of people that are like, oh, they didn't get it. Hundreds of comments.

It's insane. I'm so actually impressed. Someone's outside your door. Yeah, it's part of my wife. Oh yeah. My wife. She waved.

It's your wife. She probably. You got a little kid too. Yeah, look, it's a family. They're all waving. I got a little parade. It's true.

Yeah. Who knows who is it? It's the truth. Where's the dude? He's out there somewhere. Speaking of the dude, I am excited about love and thunder. We'll get back to OG Thor that we're getting the goats finally.

Yeah, dude. Yeah, yeah, that's true. Well, look, at this point, we've all seen. Oh, yeah. That's right. Oh, that's right. Future us, man, I love the goats. The goats are the real MVP.

You know what? The goats are the film. I didn't like the goats. You know, they're terrible. I love the goats. Man, Christian doesn't know. Disney show. He loves the goats.

Oh, oh, no. I'm a goat shell. I'm a goat shell. I don't know. He's too critical of gore. He's not critical. He's not critical. No, I was going to say he's upset the tirators.

Rex in Jurassic Park. Hate the goat. I'm a goat. He hates. He hates goats. He's a goat hater. He hates He hates goats. Noted Pita member, Christian Harloff, hates goats. Tom Brady could suck it.

Anyway, it's hilarious. I couldn't believe it. My head was spinning. I was like, I was just trying to post my Elvis reaction. Yo, oh, oh, he loves Elvis. He loves Rock and Roll. Oh, oh, he's a race. Hats jazz, does he, but he hates jazz. I couldn't, I could bounce in back and forth. Anyway. So I think they did waste Heimed L a bit.

I do think they wasted. In the beginning, Natalie a bit, but I also think you needed this foundation to be strong. So I don't critique this film as harshly as some. I do think it is in the lower tier of Marvel. Do a lot of people critique the first? Yeah, people like, well, not as bad as the second one, but overall they put it in the lower echelon. It is considered

to what I've heard, it is considered on the lower end of the trilogies. Yeah. So what, you had three trilogies and then we're only for the big three, right? Right. And he's the first one to get a four. Typically, typically people have been saying that it goes what cap iron

Man Thor is what most people will say. Yeah, and I think that could change, obviously, with the fourth movie, but I think most people, most people put Ragnarok as the best with this one coming in. And then I'm one, I don't know where you guys stand on and we'll talk about it, obviously next week, but I'm one of those people who don't hate Darkroll. Yeah, I'm not, I've defended it. It's not the worst thing ever. I don't hate it.

It's considered by many as like the worst, the worst, the worst, the MCU film. I don't feel that one. It is grown on me, especially knowing that we, are getting Jane Foster back. I needed to see a little more strength and agency, I guess, because she's going to obviously get the hammer and become Thor herself. I needed to see that. And her with the ether with the reality stone,

you got to see that a little bit in this next film. Because in this one, smart as a whip. Right. But there is this thing where all of a sudden her brain shuts down. Yeah, that was my issue with it. It was like she, they very consciously did the Amazon distress thing where it was like, oh, big boy. And like, that's so not, it's not her, it's not the story.

It's not. She's like out here being like, and this 50 million years ago on this physics plane that opened up a wormhole that gave us the galaxy, you have muscles. You handsome. And that's not the character. What do we think about about the final? The Destroyer? Yeah.

I mean, it is a, it is a, it is a enemy that has shown up numbers of times in books. It is kind of exactly that. I think the only thing that I kind of hated is there's a point at which in both the Avengers cartoon and in a book where Loki will actually fully possess the destroyer and use it as his body. So it's not just like go kill and it's like robot. That might have been too much for audiences,

that was my thought. I was thinking like when you're not used to Loki yet. I get that. But what you could have easily done is maybe Thor like beats the destroyer on Earth. He goes to fight Loki. Loki, Loki obviously is very rarely a match for Thor.

Right. So then he's like, fine. And then he brings the armor up and let us have a battle that way. I thought that would have maybe been a little more interesting because by the time we got to him

fighting Loki on the By-frost, I was like, we'd already have a big fight. Yeah, what I did like with how Thor was punished sent to go go live on Earth without the powers and all that. I thought that worked and I also think that...

Also, that first Thor fight. Like you're talking about, like when he first landed on Earth, like when we get Hawkeye for the first time, that was again a moment where my brain as a comic fan like you gotta remember audience back in the day we didn't have crossovers

really like there was the occasional like you know TV crossover but to see Hawkeye in a Thor movie I can't even describe how I felt I was like this is possible yeah and they set this up though with what is it the post credit scene in Iron Man 2 when they find the hammer

I like my brain might I just couldn't comprehend it and I really wish I could describe that feeling because there's there's people growing up now that will never understand that that was special. It's the standard. That's just how it goes. Right. Is it? Well, but my question is, is, did that not do it for you in Iron Man 2? Because Scarlett was promoted so much. She was in the trailers to such a level. And Hawkeye remember was like in the, in the background like rumbling. So it was like, I hear Hawkeyes in this.

Okay. So like when he appeared, it was like, oh, this is every kind of like the Spider-Man moment, no way home. To be honest, like, I kept hearing about it. I didn't believe it. Right. And where Scarjo was like, I'm the second lead. So like to see Renner, and I'm also a big runner fan because of the town and like, you know, his, his work and her. locker and everything else. So that was the thing of like, oh, they actually got the guy from the Ultimates line, made him all Chester Bennington up, did the thing. I got a question for you, man. So that, Thor gets to Earth, right? He doesn't have his powers. Right. Is he supposed to be human because my guy got hit by two cars? Ended up having, like, I know he's not God

strength, but did end up against like an Andre the giant like dude in shield. I've always thought that he isn't the powers of a god, but he is still inherently immortal. Because his biology hasn't changed. Yeah, he's still in Asgardian. So even though he, I mean, think about it, the Warriors three, they could get hit by a car.

They're not four. So he's still got the infrastructure biology. Okay, he just doesn't have like the thunder powers and the power and like the strength boost. He's just not in an 11. He's just got stripped of his citizenship. Yeah, exactly. He's a man of that country.

Yeah, yeah, his royal lineage. And then, yeah, he's unworthy of the hammer, which is those additional. It's kind of like what they talk about in Ragnarok, which that was interesting. Like, you're not the god of hammers.

And that whole concept. And in fact, there's an arc right now in the comics called God of Hammers where basically Mjolnir, dude, Donnie Kaine's genius. God of Hammers. But Mjolnir breaks like it does in the comics. And Odin takes over the actual Mjolnir.

So Odin's force is in the hammer itself. So when he talks to the hammer, it's talking to Odin. So now he's the god of hammers by way of Odin being a force that died that's imbued in the hammer, which is fascinating. It's interesting since we're getting this other Thor book. I've been reading its current art.

of Hulk and Thor where right now you have Hulk fighting. Oh yeah, it's also Donny Kitz. Hulk Thor. Yeah. And that in itself is insane. So metal. So that's the thing that I think I'm most interested in with Love and Thunder as we just saw earlier before this.

So good. You know what I mean? Maybe. Amazing. All the things that they're bringing in right now, these stories we haven't heard. The colors. You went straight up Goldman there. All the things.

Yeah. You saw the movie. The possibilities. Josh Roberts. Thompson when you. Well, welcome to love and thumb. The Christian, to Bales,

Gorge. The goats, yes, yes, goats, milk, goat's mother, yes, yes, yes. Well, what did you think about Friggin'am, because I love that they brought her.

Dude, Renee Russo. I mean, the casting is amongst the best of the Marvel films. It's like, Kenneth Brown, he's like,

all right, I've been waiting 20 years to call in these favors. I'm one of the most established directors of this genre. Well, I don't know how many favors he needed to call in,

though, too, because it still is still a a big thing yet. still had Marvel money. It wasn't Disney money at the time. It was still, it was... I mean, this money was like, I think this was like $110 million budget, which is tiny. I mean, for what it is. I want to say this one was a pretty small budget.

So I think this felt like a lot of favors. I don't know. Dude, you gotta remember. So, I, as René Russo is a phenomenal actress. She's not, like, she's not a poster. She's not pulling in Julia Roberts money. But, like, between Natalie Portman, you know, Idriselba, Renee Russo, Anthony Hopkins.

Yeah, but like, look at that cast as far as like... Now, but that's still that's true. It's not a big. price. Hopkins was. There are three. Hopkins. Plus 150 mil. It's a lot of money. Holy. For 2011. Okay, that's way more than I thought it was. I take it back. But I rescind my statement. And it still almost hit half a bill. It had half a mill. Half a bill. It was 449 million, which is still, it's a, it's good.

And I think that you put that, knowing how big of a character Thor is now. Yeah. That is a smaller number. Considering like, because there's no, if, if Thor, Love and Thunder makes 450 million, that's a problem. Things have gone poorly. Yeah, it's a problem. So Ragnarok was, what, 800? Is that what it was? Yeah, I think so. Because, because it was, it was, we saw an approach to a bill.

We hadn't hit a billy yet. 8.53. Woo. Yeah. Look at we go. Dude, only a $30 million more budget, though. That's crazy. It's only $30 million more.

Well, I wonder, I wonder. Dark world, we had almost 700 mil. Wow. I mean, that was name recognition. We were on a roll. We were all hoping to. Yeah. We were like, because, because I'm trying to think, what MC movie,

It was after Avengers. Yeah, yeah. What MCU movie has bombed at this point? Bombed? Black Widow did, but that was timing. That was pandemic. That doesn't count. That's not her fault.

I don't count. I don't count that either. I don't know if it bombed, but I'd say Eternals is probably the one that. That might be, but that's the recency of it and that we've hit it hard reset. But after you finished Avengers? Eternal's made four,

well, it don't, yeah, it made 400. They don't have the budget. They don't list the budget anymore, but 400. Because it was probably 400. Post to it. But again,

I think anything before 2020 is harder to judge at the moment. But I don't, no, nothing financially bomb. I think that the one that was probably the weakest was Thor. I mean, not Thor. Hulk. Yeah. And that's why they went a different direction very quickly. But even to that point, I'm saying, like we kind of were mentioning,

once you hit Avengers, really, that was. Off to the race. They were printing money. Even this, like, this was like them being like, okay, Avengers is safe. Because, like, they're already filming Avengers when this comes out, right? But like to see the turnaround on a character like Thor do that well, I think they knew it do well. I don't think they thought it'd triple. Well, this was the, this was the one of the pieces to get to Thor.

I mean, to get to get to Avengers. This was, this was one of the pieces you had to put together, like you said, once you hit Avengers and Avengers works and you put that big gamble. Change cinema. Yeah, it did. Absolutely it did. Because it was always, you didn't see those crossovers because you always dreamed, I always dreamed as a kid of, oh, my God, I'm going to see a movie with Arnold and Sly. Never happened. Yeah.

You never, John Matrix and John Rambo never showed up on the same screen. Had that been around the same time when Avengers was coming out, you probably would have seen those two guys. And if they got in their differences behind it because, oh, wait, that works. We can't have these big egos together and do it. But that doesn't work unless Thor does well unless, because even Iron Man 2, because Iron Man 2, before Dark World was considered, and that movie came out, and that was a rushed sequel.

Oh, 100%. And that's, kind of like two years later, no, script one's even done. It was just, we need it. We need to come out. It was massive hit. Got to put it out. Sequel, sequel,

sequel, sequel, and on top of the, when you had the drama with Terrence Howard because remember he was right and he was getting, that he was about to get less than Downey Jr.

And they were like, crazy. Because he made more than Downey Jr. Before, because, remember, Terrence was doing well at that point. And Downey was getting insured.

Yeah, yeah, of course. He wanted to take a risk on him. But then he was like, I need as much if not more than Robert. And they were like, and he's like,

he's hired man. That was the silliest thing only at that point because you don't know where you're going, you know, with the MCU in general. Yeah. It's like how many movies Don Cheadle did as Rody. Can you imagine that realization now? Bro, what's funny to be, and it still stings me every time I watch Iron Man One next time. And it's, there is no next time.

You're done. You're done. You're literally done. And I'm like, but you blew it. I'm trying to help you, mother. It was the same thing with the dude from Matrix. Yeah. Tank. Was it tank?

Yeah. A gozer. Tank, I believe. Dozer is the big brother. Yeah, he's tank. The one that survives in shoes. Yeah, they recast him. I ran in.

I ran in. They recast him. Yeah. Same reason. Same reason he wanted more money. He didn't recast them. They didn't recast. They didn't recast and they killed him off.

They made Link. Oh, that's right. That's right. But Link was so clearly going to be. That's right. The character was that character. I remember running into that guy at a bar afterwards and talking to him about it. He was demanding more money.

Is that what happened? He was demanding more money. He wanted more. He wanted way more money. And like an obscene amount of money. And it's like, dude, you're good. But you're not, Neo. Play the long game.

Like, I get it for the first movie. For the first movie, play the long game. Does he, like, ask for some more money, but you don't need to rob the bank. You're not, you're not Neo. You're not Morpheus. You're not Trinity. But even Terrence Howard, though. Terran Tower, after the first movie, look, do Iron Man 2, you know, and see where it goes.

Yeah. And if then start asking for more. I mean, because Territ Tower is great. But Territ Tower ain't complaining either, though. He's had a pretty great run with all TV shows. Oh, of course. Making up new math. And then he would never got hustle and flow.

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and understand that you need a couple of athletic greens you shake it up and give yourself a nice jog in the morning put on some running shoes let the record show when I was back home in Boston I did run into my old arcade guy and I thought of you immediately I went to my old movie theater

and he happened to be in there and I was like you know I wonder if there's like some sort of union if there's some sort of fever of you like can you put Barnaby on the show and it's like muffler his voice and I'm like do the FBI thing like blackout his face In no world I would do a live show with him

That's smart In no world He might You might leave with less bluerreys Like I feel like I might leave getting incriminated If I'd do it Doing something

He's just Like Well well well I just ripped off three banks Last week You don't want to be a zalbite man You don't want to be a zalibi I just snowed

The frozen casket From the escarion He is he's Loki Barnaby's Loki And all that stuff works for me man With a name like Barnaby He sounds like Loki So like Loki

stuff really worked me. I see what you're coming from and I do think there is different versions of writing the character and if you look at what we've gotten to now with literally having the OG Loki in the show like what we've evolved to is flabbergasting but I think for what they had to do to start this, having that more aggressive Loki worked. Like I do

see why Tom Hiddleston went with that choice and I think we've earned this more God of mischief. That's his choice though as much of its Brana. Bronna's choice and that's how they ask them to play it. And you do see the chemistry and the charisma of Tom Hiddleston for sure because that, you know that he,

I don't know if he was supposed to be a one-known villain, but he just becomes so much more throughout the duration of the MCU. He's the first one to survive, and like to this day, my favorite show. Well, in what world would you think, if you're looking at that, like, oh, there's the, his way movies work back then?

Oh, yeah, no, eventually this guy, this guy here's going to have his own TV show. Right. You wouldn't be thinking at it at all. You'd be like 11 years ago. Yeah. I would tell you of if you're looking at any of the villains, he's the only one I would have guessed just because Loki and the comics is one of the few that is constantly

effing with that. Avengers One, you know, he's been around from the beginning. Yeah, and after Avengers One, I think for a long time, he was, he had the title for best villain. Oh, I'm sorry, the comic book. He was the first Avengers One, he's the villain. No, I know, I know, but I'm saying after the movie comes out, because the way that this is set up, because you can tell he's troubled and he's got these things, and he's not one note. There's more to why he's doing this. Because normally you would just get it because he just wants to take power.

But there's more to get, you know, his history and how Odin got him and all that, which we find out later. But he becomes this big villain in Avengers. And then he was the gold standard as far the villains went. Because you couldn't get anybody to, there's some people argue with me. But there was not a lot of villains that I liked up until, I think, Killmonger was the one that I was like. And it was so funny. I was like, finally, Kilmonger kind of thrones Loki.

And then, I think, two months later, Thanos comes out. And it's like, sorry. It had a good run. Yeah, he did a good run. That said, I think Loki was the first one to kind of do what they've done with Thor now, where he was playing both the Shakespearean and the more grounded and being in the

MCU flavor. Like, Loki, if you look at him, that's what we need, like, we needed Ragnarok to get Thor there. But Loki started doing it even in Avengers. He was starting to blay, like both, you know what I mean? That was the starting point for sure was definitely,

in Avengers and you could that's the Loki I'm kind of talking about from the books and from the shows where it's like it is this level of

almost Mark Hamill's Joker except with like godlike powers you know what I'm saying where he genuinely is just out here looking for chaos

and that general mischief but we'll flip it on a dime and like wreck you just self-serving man at the end of the day and then you've got you know Thor who starts is self-serving. You've got Thor that has to evolve. And I love, like, it's crazy to look back at

this one and see that Thor was huge, but now he looks tiny. Like, the fact that Chris Hemsworth has, like, he had, you know, the year, whatever to pre-appen looks great. Like, he's above anyone I know. He was, he was more, uh, he was, like, thick. Yeah, he was, he was a guy, it was attainable. Now he's, like, ripped in, and, like, what he looks like there, you could get at in, like, five to six years. Right. What he is now is not, this genetics and powers, like, and money. Yeah, there's a thing that he is now. We can't get there. Put money. There's money. Money. Hard work. Money. I mean, look, the two things I think

that stick out from the trailer for Love and Thunder is the look at somebody that you care about and that just like he's just piercing blue-ass eyes and then just jacked. He's like a bodybuilder size, but he's talented. And no disrespect to bodybuilders. Usually when you're bodybuilding, that's 100% of your life. So it's incredible. That's why I wanted to see that Hulk Hogan movie. I don't think they're ever going to do it. Is it done? Nah, so he, Chris Van Vleet interviewed him recently and he was like, so what's going on with the movie?

And he was, oh, yeah, I'd love to do it. It means, yeah, it's over. It ain't happening. Yeah. And he was the right, he got huge. It's perfect for it. But he's, but he was, it's amazing to see the difference of what Thor was in this movie, what he eventually becomes from Ragnarock and now Love and Thunder. That's, that is why.

And just to be completely honest with everybody, like this, we, we pre-recorded this. We're going to see Thor, Love and Thunder tonight. So I am, I just, I told the guys before we started here today, I'm nervous for Thor and Love and Thunder because what I, my, my big worry for that movie is the same worry of what I just talked about with the Cat Denning stuff is I just, and I don't, and I'm not a big Guardians too fan. To me, out of all the movies in the MCU, I think it might be my least favorite. Maybe, the Black Widow and that one, but I think that it's because, not because it's not necessarily a good movie, but it's like everybody gets a joke, joke, joke, joke, joke, joke, joke, joke, joke. The last trailer I saw Thor and Love and Thunder is great. as it looks, I'm worried that they're just going to rely too much on the jokes. And Thor is so radically different from Thor, 2011 to now he's just kind of like, I don't want to say a buffoon, but he's just kind of like a hippie, like he's not serious at all anymore. He's always cracking jokes, just kind of like, he's kind of like Spicoli at point.

You know what it is? I think the true, I think what it is, I think what it is that that's what they lead with with advertising. If you actually go look at Ragnarok, he's obviously joking a lot, but think about... I love Ragnarok. No, no, no, no, I know, but I'm saying to just to counter that he is just constantly in joke mode, just from the standpoint of when Odin dies, spoiler alert, again, you know, obviously he anchors it down.

When he, like, loses his eye, he anchors it down. When he, like, realizes I am the god of thunder instead of the god of hammers. Right, they have those moments. They have those moments. And I hope that those moments are there, you would assume that they would, and Tyke is pretty good at that. It just makes me nervous that they're just going to rely too much on comedy and evolve too much on the comedy. But we'll see.

Yeah, I hope it's more boy and wilder people and Jojo Rabbit type of. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. That's what I'd like. If they kept the tone of Ragnarok. So I'm the rare person that doesn't love Ragnarok. I don't, I don't like it. There's a lot of people who don't like it. It's just, it felt disrespectful to the character to me more than even where we started with Thor.

So you're going to hate this movie. I possibly. Yeah, right. But on rewatch of Ragnarok, I'm hoping it's improved because of where we got with the character. I think much like Thor Dark World is improved because of endgame, I think that Ragnarok will be improved

because of what they're able to do with the character through the Avengers films. Do you watch, or have you watched either Avenger Earth's Smitey's Heroes or Avengers Assembled? I've seen Earth's Middeas Heroes. Okay. So, like, to me, we're splitting

the difference would have been perfect is bringing in that iteration of Thor where he's still like, I'm Asgardian, but he's also like, Hope, did you eat the last sandwich? Right. Like that would have worked for me. I think if you split that difference and go there,

I think maybe everybody would have been happy. I actually like what they're doing with Hemsworth because again, they realize that he is a comedic. What they have. Yeah. So you don't let that go. There's like what 35 MCU properties.

Ragner off by like 20. It's not bad, but it's not like a lot of people on their top 10. Yes, they do. Yeah. When you write your book about your life, I know what you should call it.

What is it? In that regard. I like that. I like that. I was going to say the first one might be a thousand percent. In that regard, as you get more wise and seasons, in that regard.

Now you're not going to be able to, now you're not going to able to say it without thinking of your book. Not at all, dude. You know what it is? You know what it is? The book will be a thousand percent. The stand-up special will be in that regard. In that regard, it's a good point.

It's 17 for me. It's 17 out of 35. It's halfway. Yeah. Ragnarok. All right. So, I mean, listen, this is the movie itself is, is it is radically different for sure but you also get

Thor and I think you know what we're not talking about is the score the score is fantastic it's really well done it's a good it's a good theme and it was it was during those times though where it was Perlmutter was still running around the joint so you know what he did which was terrible and finally when they pushed him to the side they start bringing back composers because Feige understands

the power of music and the score and he was bringing back because whatever it wasn't fast enough Because five leaves are the power of love, like I just wasn't fast enough to count. But he does. The power of music and pro-mother, which is like, I don't want to pay those guys. Get rid of them. Put him in there.

Bring someone else in because this guy does the first score. And then I forget they'd bring someone else to do the second one. And the first score is really great. But I think there's a lot, there's a lot that works. Asgard's gorgeous. I love the world. That was really good too. They're kind of back and forth.

So we're just never going to explain how the, the, the rifles. The Bifrost got rebuilt. I know we haven't got to Avengers Dark World yet, but I just realized, because he shatters it at the end of this. Yep. And we just never address it. That's the end of the Dark World, though.

No, no, no. The end of this one, he just shatters the Bifrost. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. And then he's back in Ragnarok. And he's someone teleports to the planet. He's back in Avengers.

Yeah, how the hell did he teleport back on the Bifrost. Right, right. And he has some, there's like one throwaway line of dialogue about it. Like, like, willpower. I don't know how you guys remember all these names and everything, too. Like, because I,

The Bip Frost obviously being the big machine that he breaks. Yeah, the rainbow bridge. Right, right, right. So, yeah, who knows? I mean, look, Idriselba is capable of doing a lot of stuff. Great things. So many great things. He's able to...

And Thor Dark World uses Idraselba better than Thor 1 does. Like I would say. That scene where he's like in like the day-to-day wardrobe. I was glad that they finally legitimately let him start to do stuff in Ragnarok. But that was the sad part is once you really got him doing something, next second you kill him. Yeah. We'll talk about that next week, huh?

I know, yeah, we're going in regards to. In regards to. In regards to. In regards. In that regard. Before we move around, everybody. Oh, that's not it. We did that one, right?

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I think that's the majority of what we, is there anything else that we need to touch upon? I'm trying to think. We covered Anthony Hopkins. Hopkins, Vennar Russo. the performances, Kat Dinnings. Oh, the doctor. Right, Scars Guard, who's great. He was fun, like, wacky hijinks that built up and up.

I think his character, you wouldn't expect how big he gets and how important. Right. I mean, look for the stuff that, whether it's Avengers, because he ultimately Loki winds up turning in. He's technically the first one talking about the multiverse. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's true. We kept tipping our hat to this.

Well, okay, I have my question then. What is your favorite line in this film? Because there's definitely some one-liner. Another is so hard to talk. A horseback enough I can fly. Okay, and not a horse than an animal big enough I can fly. That scene is great. I think mine might be, we've got Zena Warrior Princess, Jackie Chan and Robin Hood.

I was like, you're just going to ignore false stuff over here. But yeah, no, I guess the last thing I would say with this evolution of Loki that thought crossed my mind earlier, Rana essentially had him go Yago, if you think about it, from Othello. Yeah. He had him go very, very just like, you know, Othello. with, or Iago with it. And so it's interesting to see he goes from that to a little... He goes more Puck and Mercutio.

Yeah, he does. Because Mercutio doesn't always do the right thing. And Puck is almost like, you know, villainous in some of the choices he makes as selfishness. So yeah, he does evolve and I like that. That's a good point. Well, look, next week I'm Shakespeare. There's a lot of points here made that I'm very proud of. And we did it.

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