The Kristian Harloff Show - REWATCH! Thor: Ragnarok (2017) | The Big Thing

Episode Date: July 8, 2022

Thor Love and Thunder is now out in theaters. Chris Hemsworth stars in his fourth Thor, MCU film. The first two movies were very different in tone and when Taika Waititi came on board to direct and Thor Ragnarok was a shift in tone. The character of Thor shifted and the story in general focused on Thor and hulk and a different spin from what we've seen previous. On this episode of rewatch, Kristian Harloff, Winston a Marshall and Coy Jandreau watch the movie and give their thoughts. #ThorLoveAndThunder #Marvel #Thor STORYBLOCKS: http://www.storyblocks.com/bigthing Follow the crew on Twitter! Kristian Harloff https://twitter.com/KristianHarloff Coy Jandreau https://twitter.com/CoyJandreau Winston Marshall https://twitter.com/TheSwaggyBlerd Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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It's the one that started the shift in tone for the Thor franchise. It was the first one that Tycho Atiti directed. And it's Chris Hemsworth. It's the thing. This is the last one before we get into our spoiler-heavy discussions of Thor, Love and Thunder. And the Rewatch crew is back. Winston and Coy are here.

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Download the podcast on Spotify, on Apple Podcasts. podcast are found and that's the show everybody let's get into it it's myself it's winston it's koi store ragnarok let's do it what's up everybody welcome back it is the big thing for ragnar rock i'm ready to talk about it i'm ready and who who's with me i got you let's talk about ragnar koi's with ron m Winston's with me Winston's with me all yeah yeah yeah you're all with me We're getting a little laggy here, but that's such as life and we're not doing it in studio. So what are you going to do? So all right, boys, let's get into it.

Let's talk about this movie rewatching it. What do you think? I mean, it's, prior to seeing Love and Thunder, which obviously we have seen it at this point, but it is the best Thor movie to date for me, you know, previous Thor, before, before, Thor four. I know it's a pretty big tonal shift, but I just was never truly vibing with, I didn't like Thor as a character personally before the movies. I don't really, I'm not super into medieval stuff or Vikings or anything like that. So like it just never did it for me. So adding that real element of humor, making him a little bit more relatable,

made this so much fun when this movie first came out. And I felt the same way on this rewatch. I really enjoyed what was put forth by Teco Watiti on this one. Cool, what do you think? Yeah, I totally, I totally, not about face, but it's like a 90 degree. It's not a 180. I was like, you know, it was like a C for me. I'm not going to lie.

I just had a really hard time with the character being an interpretation that I couldn't find my way into. Like, I could find it funny. I could enjoy the tyke of it all, but it never felt like Thor to me. It felt like an else world, like a guy that was a Thor of another universe, like meeting our Doctor Strange or like doing things in RNCU. But the longer I've gotten away from it, the more unaccepted this blend. And to be honest, I think even more than Love and Thunder, it was Infinity War and endgame that kind of congealed this ability.

Because I think that scene with Rocket, where you still see the depth of Thor while the humor is still happening. That was for me a way that I was able to see the characterization as that walk about. I talk about a lot where he's a, he's a character in search of purpose, a sense of self. And so comedy is a is a common way for people to express a insecurity. So that finally clicked in a way that I was able to enjoy this more. And now it's still, you know, like a B plus for me. It's not in my top 10 like a lot of people. But I definitely get more out of it each time. Yeah. It's, uh, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, I'm trying to, Oh, I'm getting really laggy here with this thing.

So let's, I'm going to try something and see if this works. Give me a second because this is going to drive me nuts and we're not going to be able to air this if it's like this. So I'm going to try to do an on-the-fly thing. Let's see if it works. Okay. Give me a second. You want us to just keep talking while you're working on it? Keep talking.

Well, Coy, I'm curious about your thoughts as far as, because I know you said for you that maybe the tone was slightly off. I felt like having those moments of, you know, Odin's death, you're not the god of hammers, even scourge, kind of having that realization of Jesus, what have I sold my soul for? You know, those moments were like those elements that grounded it and kept it from getting to out there. You know what I mean? They like kept it still very realistic. You're just kind of laughing while you're doing it. I mean, what were your thoughts kind of on like the serious tone elements of Ragnar. So when I look at the movie, I think of the action and I think of the comedy.

I think of the Valkyrie scene. I think of the final bridge scene. I acknowledge the drama, but it feels so not out of left field. It just feels like they were moments of depth that felt like they needed to be there, not that they were naturalistically there. Whereas the action of the comedy felt like it was one weird Tyka Webb. but like I think Jojo Rabbit and boy balance the drama and comedy a little better and Wilder people especially

whereas this felt like it was like okay we need a moment to remember who Thor is and we're back and Thor so like they don't stick in my memory of the movie as well as the action of the comedy do no I understand that I mean part of the things you gotta remember with those with those other movies you just mentioned a boy and Jojo Rabbit

if I'm not mistaken boy came before but Jojo came after and when you also throw in the fact that you, at this time, they're not really giving Tyke a full rain. He's still playing in Feigey Sandbox, which is a very, you know, you're like, oh, I want the dump truck. You can't have the dump truck.

You can have the bulldozer, but you can't have the dump truck. And that's kind of what we see up until phase four. I give like a little bit of a pass of maybe it's not always being a smooth sailing, knowing that that's how just we operate in the MCU at this. particular moment. But I don't know. I really loved the subtlety of the humor because we haven't gone to that full action comedy place that, you know, that will happen.

We've said that as a non-spoiler already for Love and Thunder, that it goes full tilt on the comedy. But I do think comedically, I think since the humor is one of the most relative things in the world. I talk all the time about how, like, I think shame black's comedy is way more my cup of tea than a lot of comedic movies that are like, aha. Like, I like more dialogue-based comedy that isn't like joke and punchline. Like, to me, does walk that line, but at the same time, it was more, James Gunn's comedy is more my thing. Guardians One is to me an action comedy that's like more my sensibility.

Yeah, no, I understand that. Yeah. But this has grown on me. Yeah, I like, I definitely like, I still stand by the fact that I love this one. And I like it way more than the new one for, I mean, hands down. I just think because of that blend that I think is there. And I think that it is, it definitely does the major shift when you, how different Thor dark world is compared to this. I mean, the shift is is right in your face.

So like you can see when people say, hey, this is, this is a full on comedy compared to dark world. Of course. I mean, there are comedic moments in Dark World and like back in the day when like Kat Jennings was too much. It was like that's nothing. It's like, you know, it's like Citizen Kane compared to when you look at it now. But I do think that it blends well. And I also think there are a lot of great moments that happen that are really serious, whether it's the stuff with Odin and there's these moments even when even the like,

to me, the combination of humor that works that seems like it fits the scenario in this movie, like as I mentioned before, like when they go to see Dr. Strange and Loki's still falling. He's like, I've been falling for 20 minutes. Like, but it's relevant to what has been going on

in the scenario and the idea, like here they are, they're on this corner in New York, and then this thing opens up and we haven't seen him. Where the hell is he? And is, I've been falling for 20 minutes. It's a good setup to a joke that was set up without our knowledge.

those happen a little bit more throughout this movie to where the comparison of the new one which just seems like you're just you're at a comedy club buckle up it's it's improv it's improv time but this is I don't know this one to me is just the perfect blend and it is still my favorite out of the out of the three hands down four I think the I think the big thing for that

and again a lot of people will get this from us on Monday the big thing I think that keeps it from going full tilt in this versus versus Love and Thunder is the fact that he didn't write this. He just directed.

And so obviously he had to say somewhat in what's going on being the director, but you had somebody else's voice really kind of at the core of it. And I think that that, knowing Tyca, he has a tendency

to be even further with his comedy, which you can see the elements that he directs into it. And I do think there was a fair amount of improv within that script, right?

Like there was going to be, like the get help. I think. is clearly tyca or the snake story of you know when with mark ruffalo and uh valky they're all talking and loki sitting over there like there's definitely tyca moments or they're like okay we wrote three sentences this is a three minute scene do the rest and i think a lot of that works because it's tyca is going from a to c and they gave him b my only issue is sometimes the b makes it feel like a different character than the a and the c and so i get like what is this uh you know

amalgamation that said i think that jeff goldblum in this is I think the fact that he gets to play in 11 and it doesn't feel out of place is inspired. I think the sequences with like Matt Damon and Sam Neal and Luke Hemsworth are some of the funniest in the MCU. Like that play bit is so funny to me. Yes. But that all feels like new characters as opposed to characters we've been living with. It's kind of the thing I had with Multiverse of Madness. Multiverse of Madness was like we'd had six out of the 10 moments in Wanda's arc.

And then Multiverse did nine and 10. I wanted to see seven and eight. It was like we'd seen Thor long enough that I'm like, what is this guy doing? And then the Russo's kind of had to rain it in and put it back together. And that helped me like this more because I've lived in that space longer. Yeah, no, I get it for sure. And I think that other things that people will get,

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Now, I do want to give also credit to Hela. I really like Hellas a villain. I think that, you know, we had to get to this point in the story to get a villain that kind of balanced Thor. Because Loki, obviously, the relationship with them is incredible. But that wasn't really the full villain in the Thor movie because that led to Avengers. And then we all know Malikov didn't work. So this was really nice to feel like there was a villain in a Thor movie. And I think that elevates it a lot.

Winston, you weren't on board last time. Are you still on board? I'm not. I'm just not a big hella fan person. I don't I don't I think that Cape Lanchett is a phenomenal actress and I think that what she did was great. I just For me when we're in the middle of the the killmonger era we're in the middle of we're about to gear up for Thanos She just rang kind of boring. I think there was an interesting element of You know my you know Odin was trash and he just kind of left me for dead right, but when she came on

You know she was a step up like a massive upgrade to Maliketh. Like, let's not even pretend that. And obviously, you didn't, you know, it was Loki and the first one and his mischievous nature, but we didn't get to see real full Loki until Avengers. But I think that she, for me, is at this point before Love and Thunder. She's better than Maliketh, but not even touching a candle to Loki.

So, like, I was just kind of like, you have done a lot better already before. So this isn't really doing it for me. If anything, I thought the Grandmaster was a better villain, even though he's kind of like a pseudo villain on the side than she was. It's a perfect role for Goldman, though, isn't it? It really is. He's so good at it. The post credit, bro.

Okay, good for you. We did it. Yeah. You know, somebody has to be, you know, revolted against. And we all did a great job here today. All right. Dude, the prisoners with jobs, like, holy Christ. crap. Like what a dark joke.

It's true. Well, the other thing that I think that works really well is that Loki's nature throughout it, right? Like, the fact that he's still trying, no matter what, throughout the whole movie, still trying to get Thor. Like, he's still trying. The whole time, you scumbag, it's like every single time Thori tries to do something, he just gets, he gets betrayed. And I think that that's the, that I like that they were doing that. And all, but also, but also still showing that he's still a good guy by the end of it, you know? And I think that's a testament to

Tom Hiddleston's like complete and total knowledge of how he's portraying the character. Because even if you look at, you know, Thor 1, he's navigating that hungry, mischievous. He's a little bit more, not toxic, that's the wrong word, cantankerous. Like there's a, there's a rage in him that doesn't quite work later

because he has to play those equalizers. And I think taking the rage down, upping the mischief, uping the confused sincerity is masterfully balanced here. I'll tell you what I also love is, and it kills me every time, is when Hulk falls, you know, all the way, when banner falls all the way to the thing. Yeah. Don't worry.

I got a secret one with drums out the plate. Just lands. Like that, to me, that again is circumstance, like funny circumstance as opposed to just going for the joke, right? Like, it's funny and it worked. And it's part of it because of the whole, that, even the setup from the very beginning to how we get to the very end. Like it's set up very well.

I just think it's a very well-written movie from story, from comedy, from all of it. Because even when, because it's tragic at like the very end of what happens to all of Asgard, you know, and then he finally, and that sets up that entire thing that ultimately happens with Thanos so that all these guardians, you think that they're going to be safe and it turns out they're not. And so I liked, I liked the stakes that it said. I liked it. That's why when people were like, well, there's not a lot of serious. that happens in Ragnarack, the hell

with that, tons of it. And it's a lot of tragic stuff happening on a lot of loss throughout it, I mean, even with the eye and with everything. It also introduces one of my favorite MCU characters in Valkyrie. I'm such a Tessa Thompson fan, and I think she, you know, the scenes they cut, we heard about

after to enhance the character, and I wish they'd stayed. What were they, by the way? What were they? There was a scene with her and her Valky lover. Oh, right, in Ragnarok, right, you told me that. Yeah. And that whole sequence, like, you know, is four times as strong if you're invested in that particular Valkyrie. So cutting that did hurt.

But I do think, you know, just knowing that knowledge makes the character stronger. So I love Valky. And I think, you know, Tess Thompson doesn't have a ton of screen time, but she's always on fire when she's there. Well, she's really good, too. Sorry, sorry, Winston. She's, that's, that's, again, the pushback for me if when these, when people go, oh, it doesn't have a lot of serious moments. Her whole angle that she doesn't trust on why she's there. and the idea of Thor kind of having her to come back

and trying to convince her. Like that, I mean, yeah, he's kind of hitting on her in the beginning and all those things of the way that that plays, but there's humor involved in it, but I still think that it's,

that's why the balance to me is just there in this movie all the way through, even when he meets Cork, you know, like the stuff that he, that Cork's in, what he's gone through. Yeah, the loop.

Yeah. It's hilarious. But again, Coy, plays into the circumstance of where it. C, structure. He gets the B. And I think that works for this movie very well. And I also, we mentioned Valkyrie,

but I also think this is the best of the three. Heimdell gets to be the character that I know Heimdell to be. Like we get the warrior elements. We get him like battling. We get him actually having like his own arc. And I really do think that the writing of the movie allowed these characters, even with the comedy, to be closer to the comic book. You know, I'm right there with you.

I just wanted to say about Tessa Thompson and Valkyrie, just the fact even that I'm glad that the very least what they kept was the kind of flashback sequence of her in that big battle with Hela and how all the Valkyries except for her got slaughtered. And essentially how she's gone into such a deep depression, she's just constantly drunk, like that she is, she is now just a random drunken bounty hunter because of what. what has happened to her. And I think that that was really well-crafted how they did that.

Are those scenes they talked about? Are they deleted scenes? Because I never really explored the extras to see. Yeah, there was a sequence where the Valkyrie that we see shot is her lover. And so we see that that is a moment that's not just losing one of her soldiers, but losing her love. And that, you know, furthers the sense of loss that she carries throughout the film. It also furthers the connection to the Valkyrie beyond just, like, anonymous soldier. And I love those sequences because they look like the side of a.

van like they've got that 70s metal album cover like the 60s per second drips but that's what i thought but that's what i thought this movie was about this movie this whole movie's about loss this whole movie's about loss whether it's a hella you know from the stuff that she had gone through with with with odin and and and how he pretty much get the hell out of here they didn't even know about her loki and thor you know it's uh that particularly the loss of odin the loss of the fact that it final is is the brotherhood finally gone the loss of asgard the idea of of still trying to figure out what the hell Hulk's going through. The loss that Tessa Thompson, the Valkyrie is going through.

So there's so much depth in this movie that is, I don't think, overpowered by the comedy, but I think people can say that there's a frosting on it because of the comedy, but it's all there. It's all there. And that's why I think that I do. I think this is one of my, this is one of my favorite Marvel movies, not just, not just Thor movies. It's one of my favorite ones because of that perfect blend. No, no, absolutely.

And you're exactly nail on the head, nail on the head with, you know, about it being lost just from the standpoint of even outside the comics, if you just look at the term Ragnarok from like Norse mythology is specifically about a giant battle, the foretelling and death of a bunch of Norse gods and the flooding of the world, like the destruction of the world. So like when you have that, that's literally what happened. Odin dies. Thor sort of through his eye, though you're about to lose both Heimdell and Loki, essentially immediately after this movie is over. Asgard is completely destroyed. Like everything that was foretold about the destruction of everything essentially happens through the course of this movie. And so to also, and I think that that's the element of why I like Tyca at the helm of both

this and Love and Thunder, why I love him and Jojo Roe. rabbit, it's that old adage of laugh to prevent yourself from crying. Yeah. And that's pretty much what's happening. I mean, Thor is literally losing everything. And then it continues to go on. And I think that that is such a vital element to just kind of have in there so that this doesn't just become like a Jesus cry.

Like if you take the comedy out of this, this is a super depressing movie. It is. That's right. And I think that that's probably why there's a lot of blending. of both. And I think that that's why it works so well. And I think that that's why I do push back with people when they say that they're that, I mean,

you've seen Ragnarok? That's all jokes. It's not. It's not all jokes. And it, there's a lot of jokes. But it, but it does exactly what Winston said. It puts a nice frosting on it to show you that if there wasn't comedy involved, it would be a depressing film. And I also

like that the story is so weird that it needs the weird. Like, like, For example, it tones down some of the weird of the comic books, but since it's Tyca, you've got some truly insane, big scope madness to keep up with it. So, like, in the comics, Hela and Feneres the Wolf are actually Loki's children. So he's got like a wolf child and he's got that crazy goddess of evil children. So instead, they make it a family element. They make it like, you know, the wolf is responsible part of Ragnarok and defends and all those things. So I think they play with the mythology really well with the comedy.

It doesn't. when hella comes in because even, and I don't want to get into spoiler talks for the new one, but like I feel like the reason why hell is such an effective villain, like she comes in, she's, she's ruthless. She's like,

she wants to destroy Asgard. She's taken out. People left and right. You see people that are going and dying, people that we've known and see you later. That's, that's the end. And because that's because what's his face?

Oh, gosh, Shazam. Zachary? Yeah. Yeah. Like, so it's, there's there's a lot there's a lot that happens inside of this movie that I think is re-watching it it's just and and the and the stuff we're not talking about is the relationship with with with Thor and Hulk yeah and like even even how we start to be we start to see

the progression of what because this is the first time we really seen Hulk start to say words you know like a lot of words and saying all these things and that the scene when he's when they're in like when they're like roommates in the in the room together and he's all pissed off throwing things that that that scene is is I love that scene. I love that scene because this sad Hulk and I I miss that Hulk. I miss that Hulk. What dude? I do too though what the no you and Thor was very similar. The Hulk was like big fire. You like water. He was like well no I were both actually like fire. It was like Hulk bigger fire much bigger fire. Right right right yeah. That is a Hulk I am very familiar with from different like a series of him right right that he is

isn't just screaming Hulk smash all the time that he can hold a conversation. It's kind of broken. But it's like a little. He's like a three-year-old or four-year-old. And I love that. And I think that's, I miss that Hulk. I hope we get to, I hope that Hulk comes back.

It'll be interesting to see where they go with She-Hulk and Abomination, because we've seen like She-Hulk Abomination and Hulk are all in that new show. So we're about to get like in August what our Hulk will be. Yeah. Like that's soon. I didn't realize how soon that was until I realized we were mid-July. Like that is a month away. Yeah.

She helps like three weeks out. There's a ton of stuff. I mean, look at it, man. We have, we're in, so, Corey, what do we have? Oh, by the way, before we, I even asked that, I'll come back to it. We were wrong when it came to Chris Evans, by the way, last week in how many appearances in, we forgot. It's in a post-credit scene in Captain Marvel, apparently. We forgot about, too.

Oh. I'm still forgetting. Oh, it's, if I remember the post-credit. scene is actually a scene in end game. Oh, it's the scene where Bucky is trapped. So it's directed by the Rousseau's. It's the scene where Bucky was trapped. I thought the scene was the one where Thor shows up.

It's essentially the scene in the end game where Thor summons the hammer and then she's, and then she doesn't flinch and he goes, I like her. So it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was thinking of the Civil War scene they put in another movie way back in the day. there's a lot of post-credit scenes but yes yeah so that's probably the one um try yeah who knows

um anyway so what was I said before that I had something I'll use the question as far as TV shows go so we have Ms. Marvel that's on right now wraps up this week the finale is on Tuesday night at midnight and then Thor is out currently and then in a few weeks we've got She-Hulk and then in October nobody's talking about werewolf by night we're getting a horror show

on Disney plus or a horror movie anime yeah uh I don't I don't know. Oh, really? I literally, it's directed by Michael Giochino, the composer you love. Okay. So next, but next year we've got Loki, too. They're already filming that. Yep. We've got Guardians three. Guardians three. What if the Guardians Christmas specials this year also? Yep. But next year, that's all we really know, right? Loki, and we're probably going to get more announcements, I would assume, a Comic Con, about what's coming out next year for TV. I would assume.

Yeah, I think we're getting Ironheart next year. I think we're getting Secret Warriors next year. I know more like the TV slate seems stacked, but like Secret Warriors. Antiman Quantumania movie theaters next year. Oh, that's next year. Yes. Ant Man. Ant Man is February. Yeah. So Ant Man and Black Panthers in November. All right. So let me still can't believe that that movie is coming out this year. I know. It's crazy. It's crazy. But let me let me ask you guys this because this is a conversation I've had.

I had it with Roxy. I had it with Ben Bateman. I have them with you guys now. phase four of Marvel right now. I know that we're going to get more of a question or more answers supposedly from Feigy at Comic-com, but this phase to me is the, I think, I don't know if sloppyest is the word, but it's definitely not as strung together as well as the previous three. Like I don't know what the hell the overall story is thus far. I don't know who connects to who. I don't know how Thor and Dr. Strange are involved with each other anymore.

I don't know how Loki is involved with any of this with his series. The Wanda Vision was just kind of negated a little bit from multiverse. And it just seemed, and Shangchi, to me, has the best story character, but like, where's he going? How do the Eternals fit into all this? It seems like a big old mess. I think this is one of those, I wouldn't say Shyamalan twist, but one of those where you don't see the forest for the trees. Like I think there's going to be a thing where we're like, oh, that was, like, I, yeah,

I think that you don't make a six-year plan and not have a pull-your-rug-out moment. I just think we haven't seen it yet. And if it wasn't this franchise, I would say I'm being too optimistic. If it wasn't this universe, I'd be like, oh, I just want it to be that. I think they plan so far, they're going to be like, ha-ha. And I think it's going to involve the DODC. I think it's going to involve Thunderbolt and Young Avengers paralleling. And I think it's going to involve Kang.

And I think all of that is leading to Dr. Doom and X-Men and things like that. But I do think short-term, those things are going to be like a big eureka moment. That's fair. I mean, sorry, it's really, it's fair. Because as you say, we've been in this place where there's been delivering this. And it's Fikey doesn't seem to go into something without having a full story. It's just the things that we've talked about, and we'll talk about it more on our spoiler review, is that it does seem like there's been a big shift. in Marvel where it used to be like,

okay, we want to get great directors, but we want them to tell our stories and put their style on our stories as opposed to now where it seems like, well, the directors are going to tell their stories, it'll be in our universe, but it's going to be a Tycho-Watiti film. It's going to be a Sam Ramey film.

And whether you like that or don't like that, it is a shift in the way they've been doing things. But Winston, what do you think? Do you think that this is going to happen? I think that the reason why I think a lot of people are, probably off put by how phase four is gone, is because they're simultaneously kind of doing an epilogue to phase three.

I know they said that that's what far from home was supposed to be, but truthfully, they're simultaneously epilogging what we just finished while also starting something new at the same time. You normally would do those separately. You normally would say, and here's the final piece to what's going on here, and now we're going to start something new,

because think about it, sure you got Yelena at a Black Widow, but it really was more kind of saying goodbye to Natasha. Like sure you got Kate Bishop out of Hawkeye, but you're kind of saying goodbye to Clint. You're not, sure, Spider-Man's going on a new adventure, but you've got to wrap up 20 years of Spider-Man films.

You're not really picking a lane yet. Right. And so I think that's why people are confused, but I think that the main thing is similar to what Koi said, is that Figey has been, and this team has been so focused on making sure this stuff works properly before. they clearly have a path and they've left cookie crumbs all over the place for us to know what's coming. But it's just you just got to be patient because we didn't really, we knew the Avengers were coming.

We didn't know what the hell they were going to be doing. Yeah, but those were set up very, very differently though, where you have, you were setting up each movie to get a, to get really equated with those, with those characters. And then a post credit would start to set up little things, even though even though they don't even think they knew right away what was happening. But Sam Jackson was trying to recruit Downey to create the event. Avengers and and, you know, even Thunderbolt comes in and sees him at the, at the end of, uh, of Hulk and they start to kind of set those up as they're, as they're moving. And each little, and the hammer is set at the end of, what is it, Iron Man 2, I think that Iron Man 2 post credit.

Right. So like, they, they were setting up all these things that you're like, oh, well, I'm, that was set up. And like these little setups, like the things that have been set up so far in, in these movies, even the post credits, whether it was now Harry Styles coming in, like, where does he play in and if he does and even Thanos was set up in the Avengers at that point so it's like you could very well

be right that they're setting up all these things that eventually pay off way down the line it just seems at the moment it's just taking a little it just seems like it's taking a little bit more longer you got more movies per year we're more plugged in now yeah and TV shows you're trying to do both and then like I said you're genuinely

trying to do you you didn't have to worry about trying to wrap up anything when you were in phase one setting up the Avengers you're having to let these actors that are no longer a part of the story or their story is going to be revamped, you got to give that time to kind of do that. And that's the only sloppy element I see is you should have really kind of ended some stuff and pass the torch versus feeling like you're, because Black Widow, for example, made zero

sense where it came out. Right. It didn't, it genuinely should have happened. Yeah, they didn't know. Well, they got hit with the pandemic on it. That was a tougher one because they didn't know. That was that classic. Put it on Disney Plus, put it in the theater.

What do we do with it? How do we do it? Like, do we wait? They were caught in that same thing everybody else was caught in where they like, here's the difference between them in Top Gun, right? Top Gun had the luxury of saying, we're waiting until it's time. Black Widow did not have that. It's not wrapped in a universe.

It's not tied. I understand that. But I'm saying even if we didn't have the pandemic, there is no reason that Black Widow should have come out after Endgame. That made zero sense. There was no, you know what I'm saying? That was a bad miscalculation of you should have done that before she died type scenario.

Right. Right. Because people were calling for that movie. People were calling for that movie for a while and it just took a while before they okayed. But we are doing a wrecked. I know Winston's got to go and this is internet. This is because of me because I'm doing stuff today. So, that's why this is remote.

So thank you for your patience, gentlemen. That said, my last thought is that I think it's interesting that one of the things that DC is thriving at is now what it feels like Marvel is doing. And I know there's a lot of like rivalry between the two of the fans, not the actual companies. But fans are always like, why doesn't DC do a big shared universe? And that didn't work for them. What's great about DC is that they have very strong directors doing their own independent things. You've got David F. Sandberg and Shazam. You've got Zach Snyder making his different choices. And now Marvel is doing that, but fans are getting mad at what DC was thriving at. So it's just an interesting duality of like,

wait a second, this is working. Well, the only difference with Marvel is that. But they're still connected where you can put out the Batman and you can put out these movies. They don't necessarily have to connect. And even if movies like Shazam and Black Adam do connect, they connect within each other and they don't have to connect within everything else too. I think DC has found their stride at the moment. We've gone from my shirt to Winston's shirt and people are like, that's a lot. Yeah. But listen, this is a great Ragnarok rewatch for the first 25 minutes.

And then, but either way, we got, we do have a full spoiler. And it's okay, it's a little shorter today because, like I said, there's two episodes up on Big Thing today. And we will have a full spoiler with the three of us for Thor, Love and Thunder. I'm going to put my spoiler review out, my own. You'll have that on the weekend. You'll have ours on Monday, the spoiler discussion. And then on Wednesday, Sith Council, on Thursday, Big Thing with myself, Roxy and Brett. On Friday, we're not going to have a rewatch because Josh Robert Thompson is going to be on the show.

I don't be myself and Josh kind of shooting the is shooting the ish. And then the crew will be back, myself, Coy, Winston, and we'll be able to figure out some a little more things to do. We'll be back on Fridays. So what I am trying to do, and I haven't talked to, I've talked to Winston and Coy about this briefly, but, and I've talked to you guys more about it, we are really making a push as we're close to 50,000 subscribers. We're making a push to 2023 to start to take this show on the road.

Koi and I have talked about it many times over about doing live shows. We'll do some in L.A. and stuff too, but we want to get to, we want to get to a lot of different places. I know for like Winston, we want to get to Texas, for Corey, we want to get to Boston. We want to get to all these places. And we need you guys to help support the show. Now, you can do that a lot of different ways. You can do that whether or not you go to Apple Podcasts, Spotify, anywhere podcasts are found. You can go there and you can check that. You can check that out. That helps. Likeing, commenting, doing that. If you can get one of the sponsors, right? Go to StoryBlocks. Get Storyblocks for yourself. That helps out. Join the Patreon. Can you do that? But let us

know if you come to see a show live and where are you? What part of the world are you in? What part of the country are you in? Because that's what we need to do. I want to get to around 70,000 subscribers by the end of the year and then start to gauge because I want to start New York. That's where we're going to start. We're probably going to start in January or February in New York. But I'm going to put out a because guys, what I want to do also is what I want to do is I want to take us to New York, let's say, in January or February. Right. And then, but the difference with like schmowdown is we would do like one big show and we would a lot of us would kind of jump on mark shows and stuff for comedy and things too but what i want to do is i want to do like a full

weekend like Thursday Friday Saturday and even Sunday let's say we're in new york and we do whether it's a Sith council show a big thing show a stand-up comedy show a rewatch show we do all that in the course of a weekend and if you're a fan you can buy the bundle package you can get all of them if you want or you can just say no i just want to come see coy winston and christian bs or i want to come see the guys do some stand-up, and I think it gives more of an option, but we're working on it. We just need the support. So I know you guys are down to perform. Prince Street Pizza.

Yeah, the real one. The real one. The real one. All right, guys, thank you guys so much for joining us. We appreciate you. Thanks for joining us on the rewatch today, and we'll see you on Monday. Peace.