The Kristian Harloff Show - REWATCH! Thor: The Dark World (2013)

Episode Date: July 1, 2022

Thor: Love and Thunder is almost here and the Rewatch Crew revisits the entire Thor series. We started with the first MCU Thor film, Thor (2011) and now we cover Thor: The Dark World. It is widely regarded as the worst MCU film. Do you agree? Will the crew agree? Kristian Harloff, Coy Jandreau and Winston A. Marshall give their thoughts. ATHLETIC GREENS: http://www.athleticgreens.com/bigthing  STORYBLOCKS: http://www.storyblocks.com/bigthing Follow the crew on Twitter! Kristian Harloff https://twitter.com/KristianHarloff Coy Jandreau https://twitter.com/CoyJandreau Winston Marshall https://twitter.com/TheSwaggyBlerd Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I don't tell you right now, I didn't hate this movie. I didn't hate it. I didn't hate there's an arm in my shot. It's out of my shot. There's an arm back in my shot. So, yeah, I didn't hate this movie. People hate this movie. They say it's one of the worst.

I don't think so. I think it's fine. Alan Moore, I believe, director, who directed Game of Thrones. And at the time, you got to remember, Game of Thrones is a massive property at this point. So getting him was a good idea. It was originally supposed to be Patty Jenkins. And she dropped out and whatever the hell happened.

I don't know if it's creative differences or whatever it might be. But he takes over and some say, look, the movie made a lot of money. He said last week close to like $600, $700,000. This also takes place after the Avengers. There's a lot. We're going to talk about all that more on today's rewatch episode of Thor, Dark World, Hemsworth, Portman, are all back.

And one of the worst villains for sure. We'll talk about that a little bit more, too. If you haven't already, please go to the little subscribe button there. Hit that button. Got reviews on this channel. Got a bunch of stuff on this channel. A lot of things going on. And I want to make sure that you do that.

And also go to Apple Podcast, Spotify, anywhere that podcast are found, and help us out. That's what you're going to do. All right, listen, let's get into it. It's going to be myself, Winston, Coy, And we're talking about Tor, Dark World's. Hey, everybody. Store, Dark World, the Dark World.

Jane gets possessed. Whatever she gets, something. All right, let's talk about it. You got Coy, you got Winston, got a wide shot. Patty Jenkins, really? Yeah. Yeah, she was attached up until like six months out. It was really.

Natalie Portman was going to bail. Oh, that's why Natalie Portman wanted out. I forgot. Oh, that's exactly right. She wanted out because they lost Patty Jenkins, and she was excited because it was, I think, first female director of doing an MCU. And, like, we saw how great Wonder Woman was,

like what could have been, the first Wonder Woman. Well, I don't know if it could have been as good, and I'll tell you why, because I think that the difference was, and I think that Patty Jenkins made a right move. 100% because I think with Wonder Woman, she got to play a little bit more in her sandbox and do a little bit more of what she wanted to do. Also, the script is just so much tighter.

So much better, and I think that, yeah. You also got to world build. Yeah. You know what I think so. She established a thing versus following up a thing. And I think that was some of the weakness here is, you know, Alan Taylor's hands were kind of tied. But also, like, the pacing of this film is really interesting.

There's a weird second act where it's just like, and okay. Like, there's a slog that doesn't happen in other Marvel films. You know, it's interesting, too, because the trilogies that tended to have a little more consistency with the creative team, to do a lot better. I know obviously Iron Man 2 wasn't that great with Favreau and whatnot. So maybe that's an exception to the rule. but like I know it wasn't a trilogy but like Gunn, I know you don't like Guardians

too but like universally people kind of love how those two films flowed generally. Well universally people are idiots I'm just kidding. Actually might rewatch Guardians one and two before our next watch because I'm going to see Love and Thunder at least a few times I might actually try to watch Guardians 2 before that because I assume the Guardians are going to be pretty heavily

I haven't seen it in the years. I don't think they're going to I mean look again by the time when we've shot this we have seen the movie but we might be fools but I don't think Guardians are going to be in it that much I'm thinking like 15-20. I think they're going to be in the beginning of the movie. I think you're going to start with him with them in the movie,

and then he goes off on his own adventure. Maybe they show up at the end. But they're not going to be in the movie that long. I bet you the first 10 minutes maybe. All right. I was to guess. Yeah, I don't think it's going to be like a full act, but I would say like a decent time.

You think a little bit more? Yeah. I'm going to go, I'm going to go Empire with it. And I think that it's going to be like kind of a hawth situation where the crews together. Yeah. And like you said, similar to Thor going on. Yeah.

But I think instead of having a, and the very end of Act 3 is Luke's showing up to save everybody, I think they reconnect like the end of Act 2. I think that you, there's a lot more. He needs family. Because I think his new family is going to be the Guardians. And I think he's going to have to accept that.

Because you also have to include Valky right. Because that's its own thing about her being king now. Right. You know? And the Asgardians, the Galaxy is like a fun thing that they might play with on purpose. But I mean, this is all for next week or two each from now.

But that said, dark world, It is still in my lower Marvel films, but kind of like you were saying with the first Thor, that's only because of how great the MCU is as a whole. Like in a giant franchise of A's and B's, when a C happens, it feels really low. And a C is fine.

I don't hate this movie. I really don't. It's not super exciting. It's got a lackluster villain for sure. The story itself of people flying through dimensions, I thought was pretty, some of it I thought was cool. Kat Dennings, like I said last week. Meow, meow.

Yeah, but Kat Dennings is, I remember her being really annoying in the movie when I saw it, and I actually don't mind her in this. And I don't know if it's because she plays really well in Wanda Vision for me. She does. That's fair. 92% of households that start the year with Peloton are still active a year later. 92% because of a bike?

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Yeah. It's just really funny to me. And I do appreciate her being that relief. I find it interesting that Scars Guard that they go into. Yeah. Imagine being mind control, bro. Your brain unravels. Yeah.

running around naked talking about wormholes where he's still on point with his science. Right. But the rest of him is a wreck. And what a great way to show ramifications of Loki in a different way. Like what a great way to have Loki be a problem. And I think this is some of the best Loki Thor stuff. Like I think the battle, I think the brotherhood, I think all that's a highlight. Yeah.

The only thing I would say that I don't love because of that, and this is a minor continuity thing, if you're saying that the mindstone being mind controlled drives you insane i would have loved for them to connect those dots with with clint yeah maybe he's having random psychotic breaks i know we get a little bit of that in hawkeye but that's more PTSD of the things he's seen dying yeah if you would have had this element that being mind controlled by the mindstone makes you uneven would love that that would have been really cool to see and it's very interesting psychologically it's just there's so many threads there's so many stories, but I would have loved to have seen that. This movie also has my favorite cameo

in the entire MCU, which is Chris Evans doing Tom Hiddleston doing Chris Evans. Because Tom Hiddleston's known for his, you know, you know, stylistic personifications, and then Chris Evans does this beautiful over the top Chris Evans. It is, I think, the best came here. Has Chris Evans been in the most

MCU films? I think there was a time he was. Because it was, what, the three kind of downy, no? I think it's Evans only because it's what, three Captain America. Okay. Four Avengers. Homecoming in the videos.

The Dark World for this. I think it's still Downing, man. So that's nine. So then Downey is in three Ironmans. Four. Hulk? That's eight. Homecoming.

Homecoming. So they're tied. They're at nine each, nine apiece. Is there any more? I don't know if there's any more that they're in. But I was just curious because you're right, because Chris Evans keeps just popping up. He says all the time, yeah.

Yeah, it's true. 10 appearances from Tony Stark, Iron Man. What was the 10th? Hold on, I just opened an article. Got to get to the actual. Anyways, while he looks that up, as far as the dark world goes, I think what has redeemed it in my eyes,

you have a really good story set up about family even more so than the first one, about what those brothers, what that means. The fact that that, Loki, they're both torn up about frigid dying, but Loki is like distraught, and especially because it's his fault.

Right, right. Because Downey's in a Cap movie, and Cap is in an Iron Man movie. Civil War is a Cap movie with Iron Man as the villain. So we got three Iron Man's, four Avengers, Civil War, the Spider-Man Homecoming secondary lead, Incredible Hulk, and then Endgame. So 10.

Right. And then he's actually tied to Samuel Jackson, which prizes me. Nick Fury is also in 10. Steve Rogers is in nine because he's not in Iron Man movie. So Steve Rogers is in the three caps, four Avengers, cameo and Thor 2, cameo and homecoming, endgame. Got it.

Crazy. Yeah, they're both in a lot, and they're both never to work ever again. So, yeah, but this is a, it is, and similar to what we were talking about last week, the tone is probably why they shifted so much because the tone is even more serious, even though, like I said, there's a cat Denning's joke, and they're definitely humor in this, but it's definitely the more serious of the films out of the three of them, I think. Yeah, no, no, no, for sure.

And I, we, we talked about this in our Thor review. The other thing that this movie does right, she still kind of has the, oh, there you are, like kind of mentality. But the minute she gets the ether, once she kind of realizes what's going on, you see a little badassery come out, and that is going to lead into what we're going to see or what we saw in Love and Thunder.

Right. Because the big iteration that we've always seen with her is, like, either she's a scientist or she works as a paramedic or a number of different things where she is like actually throwing herself into the action. Right. Which then leads to her being worthy enough to wield the hammer. Yeah, she's always smart and hands on.

This character as seen is not yet that worthy. She sort of does it now with the, with the stick. She's able to start teleporting some of the dark elves out of the way to help Thor. Right. But like, that's what we needed more of.

I hope we get some Jane Foster in the movie we've already seen, but have not yet seen. It's a set up her worthiness. Like, I'm hoping retroactively. Do you know what I mean? Do you think they're going to do the cancer? I think that it's so important to the comic

that it would be really hard to not. I'm wondering if it's going to be caused by the ether. I think that's probably where they're going to go with it. I think so. Whatever happened to her change their molecular structure. Yeah, because we haven't really heard from her at all. At all because, and he even makes reference to that, I think in Ragnarok when he's with.

Where's Jane? We're not really talking about now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's. And then her. an end game is a cut scene from this movie. It's from Dark World. Yeah, so we haven't had Natalie Barton back because the only new footage is from this.

Well, I think that the reason they were definitely able to get her back was once they came up with that angle. Yeah, well, the comics are so good. And all that stuff too. And being able to bring it, when did that first be introduced? 2008? It was a long time ago at this point. It was. And I think that that was part of the reason why she was signed on to do in the first place to the potential for it.

But it was clear that they weren't planning on doing this in the first three phases. And so you mix that with like the Patty Jenkins thing. She's probably like, well, then screw you guys. She hasn't even said this last week. She doesn't have the biggest track record. I mean, I'm not talking about box office, but with big budget movies, right? Because when you look at, she even says that she's on record saying that it was hard for her after Star Wars because people didn't want to book her because they thought she was a bad actress, as she said. And that was very hard for her to do in general.

right? So I think that and the first Thor was tough to sorry 2015 I was way off I thought it was 2015 first mighty Thor official that's what I thought I remember talking about that on Schmo's when it came out but either way so but my point with her is that she hasn't had an opportunity yet to really shine in these

what's the what's a big blockbuster movie that she's done it when I think of Natalie Portman her for vendetta Again, a studio release, but not a massive movie, big blockbuster movie. That's a, but technically, I got to say, technically the first appearance was 1962. Okay. In a what if. That was what I was going to stick around this. I'm going to stick around this.

I'm going to stay on. I'm going to be on my phone. You guys carry out. I'll check it. You just let me know who we're back. Okay. In that regard. But I will, what I will say that you're with, with Natalie Portman, what do you think of

when you think of Natalie Portman, her career roles? You didn't get a professional. You think of Black Swan. Swann, the Oscar. I do think of V, but I don't think that as a big film. I think of her on S&L doing Natalie's right. Yeah, I do think of Natalie Portman as Natalie Portman, which is weird. Like more than a lot of movies stars.

You know she was in a movie that was called Vox, Vox, Vox Machina? No, Vox Lux Lox. Vox Lox. I'm one of the few people who, like, I love that movie. I still haven't seen it. It's hard to watch. Yeah, it's a hard watch, especially the opening scene. It's a hard watch, but I really enjoy that movie.

But she's great in that movie. and I don't think she's been able to do her Natalie Portman thing in big blood. Well, we talked about the cancer element at Comic-Con, and she was really excited that that was such a fundamental part of my experience of the character, and she really appreciated the fact that, like, that is how I see handling something so heavy in the superhero space

is you're not demeaning either side of it. Like, to me, the cancer thing isn't demeaning what makes her mighty, but it's also something that's so human for people that need to experience. Like, just like any form of representation, I think that people that are not, like, healthy need to be seen. I think people that are going through trauma need to be seen. And, like, she really was drawn to that. I mean, and the two things about it that are so incredible is both, A, like you said, with that representation,

it's showing that people that are sick are still out here doing incredible things. Right. Doing mighty things, pun intended. But then the other part about it, I know how that story kind of ends with her in one of the runs. The cancer's, like, too much. They're like, if you keep using the powers, you're going to die. Such a good run. And so that could also be not only a way to really show Jane at that ultimate hero level,

it could also give you an out potentially if Natalie was like, I'm definitely down to do this, but I want one and then I'm done. You can make it where maybe that's a situation. That would be brutal. And I also think it's interesting. Like we're seeing it tonight slash two weeks ago. And we don't know all that much, right? Like I was saying the other day, like I love that the Thor trailers don't give us a lot of any story.

Like the movie's coming out in two weeks. Yeah. That's it. That's it. Alan? But like we really don't have a lot of like context for these things. I'm realizing that Jane is the new friend from work. Oh, 100%.

Jay. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Dude, the friend from work line, that being a make-a-wish kid is like one of the most beautiful things. It's all full circle. If Jane does have cancer,

it's other to do. That's real. This wild. But like this movie itself, back to the one that we're not talking about. I think Dark World suffered from a very, very generic villain that was cast. Like the actor's great.

He's a good actor, yeah. Chris Eccleson. Yeah. But I looked him up and I was like, I have nuts. Maybe he's a theater actor or something. No, he doesn't have a doctor. Doctor Who is this big. Like he's one of the big doctors.

Okay, okay. Because the rest of it, there wasn't anything really like, and maybe that's what I miss. I probably saw the Doctor Who, but I just didn't episode count. Yeah, he's like the original rebooted doctor. Okay. Yeah, so. I'm going to get, I'll get her. I'm going to see where he was.

And he pops up and stuff. I just, I feel like this was not. No, no, no. I feel you. Because it just, it felt almost like a throwaway in that regard. If you're not a big Doctor Who person. Also, Maliketh is a way bigger deal in the comic books. Maliketh leads to the War of the Realms, which is one of, I don't know if you read War of the realms.

It's one of my favorite modern Thor storylines. And like the Dark Elf story is so akin to Loki's search for justice and vengeance. They could have done a lot more. Yeah. No, for sure, man. I think there is a lot that they're trying to, they use this so as like a bridge the gap movie. Yeah. You know what I mean?

And you feel like Iron Man too. He was in the leftovers, which I love that show. He was, yeah, Thor, Dark World. But before that, yeah, he was just in a lot of TV stuff. I mean, obviously, G.I. Joe rides a cobra made of a star. But yeah, I mean, Heroes, he was, yeah, that was probably his biggest role, it was Claude in Heroes. I don't remember that character. Doctor Who, 28 days later.

He only did one year, Doctor Who. Holy crap. He's so foundational to that fandom. I don't know Doctor Who that well. I won't claim to. At all. But that's, yeah, so he wasn't, it was definitely, plus the fact that he's in makeup and doing all this stuff. But I thought that character was going to be a lot.

There was no depth to him at all. I'm a bad guy. Yeah. Like, what do you want? Villainee. I want darkness. Well, that's what they, and they, they, they, because they leaned so heavily into really defining Loki more. Yeah.

Inside of this. And that relationship. And as you guys mentioned, where he's the one who's kind of broken up about René Russo, it took away from this character. Because there's none of that. Well, what makes this character tick? Just the dark elf was pissed off. That's enough.

Locke. Because at least even with Lofi in the first one, there is that history of Odin coming in and wrecking his shop. And he's just like, bro, I am going to murder the Asgardians because you keep messing with the Frost Giants. That's a rat. Context. We needed context. The only context here was there was an injured wall with the dog elves.

And it's only told via like cutscenes. And we get bore for half a second. You know what I'm saying? And all that. And it's, it's, it's just not enough. Because if you were going to do that, it almost feels like what you were doing with Lord of the Rings with, with Saron,

where like you're, at least you're setting up, this is the lore of who Saron was. Right. And now we're going to explore this for three movies. And that scope felt worthy, obviously, the Lord of the Rings. But that's,

that's how you tell that in flashback. This did not accomplish that. And it's the same tone. This is the most Lord of the Ringsie of any of the MCU. films. It's the most like fantasy paste. And there's a scene in this where Thor hangs his hammer on a coat rack. And that apparently is like one of the moments the Marvel

was like, oh, Chris Semsworth's funny. So like this movie is important. But if you look at a rewatch, this is not one you need to rewatch necessarily. Zach Lee We've got as a Fenderlob. We haven't talked. In our last rewatch, we didn't talk about. The Warriors 3. His buddies. And

and the idea, because who was the Jamie Alexander? God, I love Sif so much. And she was rumored for Wonder Woman for Ever. Yeah. And I wonder if that would have happened if Patty Jenkins did do this and then that,

like, you know what I mean? Maybe. And I didn't realize that, because Josh Dallas was originally Fandrel. And they even, I'm reading this article on,

I don't know, then Shazam took over. That's right. Well, exactly what it takes over it. And you didn't even really notice, you know, when it didn't make a massive deal of it

when he shows up in this one. And he just like, oh yeah, he's always been in it. And he hasn't. Well, I love that the first the were the guy, Josh Dallas,

yeah. He looks like the, the same hair style choices of bleaching Thor's eyebrows. And then exactly if I actually looks like that, that could be a person. Like, I love that the first one was so over the top that everyone's makeup and everyone, like side by side. Exactly there's in front, dude.

I actually think that's exactly right. That's just the Mop hair. It's hard for me to tell. So there's, here I'll give you a, here's a photo. Oh, there you go. There's the pair. Like I keep looking at both of them and trying to see which one is that. No, I think I think dude on the right looks all right.

Again, it's, it goes, I think that it's a difference with the Bronna stuff, right? The guy on the guy, the Josh, whatever his name is, is he's clearly, he's in a Brono film. He's in a Shakespeare movie. Yeah. He's got the, oh, I guess they both kind of have the collar. His just seems more like roughy and.

It's so Shakespearean. And even the way the hair is quaffed and how all those like. Levi looks like he's in Chronicles of Narnia. Yeah. Exactly. He actually looks like he's in the middle of a war. And you know what's a bummer? Sorry, one more time in that image.

What's a bummer is Thor Dark World did some of the best production design choices. Like look at the costuming. Look at the, you know, the Asgardian style. That was all beautiful. It's just the movie was paced. I don't know if you could trim 20 minutes. I don't know what I would do. But something about this movie just makes it not as rewatchable.

It's so funny. And I am very aware of how in the minority I am. But if it does not, like I would rank this. We should definitely probably do this at some point, ranking the whole thing, the MCU. It's doing it. It should just be a full episode.

It will take a full episode, dude. Well, Fikey's apparently announcing what phase four is going to be in the next month. So, five. It's either going to be at... How they're wrapping up for. So what the big thing is. I would say D23,

because that's more his territory. That doesn't happen. When is D-23? Like two weeks after Comic-Con. Is it really? I thought it was like September. No, it's like August, I think. I feel like it's less that it, that's his thing.

It's more Disney was like, nah, save that. Right. We want this on our house. September, dude. It might be. I could be totally wrong. But we should do it then when they announce how phase four is going to go. D-23 dates Anaheim, right?

Yeah, it's 22. September 10th right there. I think you're totally right, dude. Is it September 7th, September 10th? Well, there we go. Yeah, yeah. I'm going to write that down because that's going to be book out. Yep.

Yeah, so I think, you know, then we look at what phase four has become. D20, so this says D23 Expo. Who the hell knows? But it looks like it's September. Okay. So that's why I, if you're saying the next month with Kevin Feigy, yeah, that could be Comic-Con. It should be Comic-Con because that's next month.

Yeah. Oh, shit. So what do you do for D-23? then. Probably to show a lot of footage and stuff that's coming out. I mean, that's like, they're going to show, well, for Star Wars, they'll probably show more Mandalorian stuff and maybe some stuff with Acolyte. Well, as of this morning that we were shooting this,

something came out that they started already talking about Secret Wars and what's going on with that and how, you know, Nick will lead sword to deal with what stuff that's going on. So maybe it's diving into that. Yeah. But focusing back on this film, you know, at this point, we've seen, what, two infinity stones, and we get introduced to the third now in the ether, aka the reality stone.

The only thing that's weird, knowing that the reality, it sort of shows some reality warping, but not. It's pretty tame. Really? You know what I'm saying? Like, it's more just like,

oh, you're attacking Natalie Portman, explosion. Yeah, it's all very impact-based, weirdly. That's not what it does. No. It's literally, like, he turned a laser into bubble. Whizanos had it. It's reality.

It changed the entire room into... I'm wondering if they were just short-sighted with their imagination of what it will become. Like, I wonder if they... I mean, they were obviously... The evolution probably changed inside the room with, like, the Russo Brothers, you know, too. They're like, yeah, they don't think we did that in a dark world, but, like, what he should be able to do is that we just said, like, he should be able to turn things into, like, bubbles. You should really do this.

Like, maybe you go even a step further what they did. That was my problem with Scarlet Witch and Dr. Strange Multivier's a Madness was, like, she can literally change reality and she uses their fingers to zap. Like, she's, like, she's, like, basically. basically like made a gun out of her hands. I'm like, you can change reality. Bro.

On top of the fact that like what, they have that giant magic dome that she can't get past and she can't all of a sudden just like turn the dome or just start sucking oxygen, like anything. So many things.

Yeah. So I get it because sometimes like, let's be honest, I don't know how much writing y'all have done as well on scripts and that you can't always think of all that stuff. We're sitting there and we didn't think about the bigger scope of,

yeah, you're focused up and just getting the story told. Right. Which I think is what happened with Dark World is they were like, okay, reality, uh, boom. Like, they just needed a weapon more than they needed to world build. And I think that also is the strength and weakness of doing the MCU as big as they do. The only thing that I really regret,

I do wish that we had gotten more Frigga in one. Yeah. So we felt more. I think her death would have had a bigger impact on us. Yeah, I think it has more of an impact on you because it's René Rousseau. Yes. That helps the way that they built the actual character. If it wasn't René Russo, I don't know if I would care.

Right. They tried because, remember, she goes to visit Loki in a cell a couple of times. a great scene. Yeah, she does. But I think we did not get enough of her previously since this is a follow-up. Yeah. That I'm like, ah, but I don't really care. What do you think about the ending, though, of the movie with Loki with the...

On the throne? Yeah. I think they undermined it immediately. Like, they kind of kept throwing away what Loki ended with. Like, you know, they did play around with it Ragrock, but it never felt impactful. It never felt like he actually did anything to the kingdom. Yeah. on plays about how Loki was a brave hero that died.

Like I don't, which is funny. But like that's about, and that's kind of the Ragnarok thing I have. It's like we set up this big moment where Loki could have actually achieved something where Loki was actually in charge. And then Ragnarach's like, what if Matt Damon?

Like that's, that's the extent of it. Matt Damon. Well, and that's why, as I said, that's what worries about me. Again,

seeing it tonight, taping it, but it worries me about the new movie is just how much they're going to rely more on. Well, let's make this fun. And what if this was in there, that could be hilarious as opposed to how it could actually work in the overall. Especially if this is the last.

I mean, I do feel like we're going to see something that affects the MCU. I do feel like it's going to tie to Eternals. I do feel like it's going to tie to, obviously, Guardians 3. But how much is that tone going to balance? Speaking of real quick, so speaking of the tie-in tall, are you caught up on Ms. Marvel? I haven't seen this piece. Okay. I was traveling.

I haven't seen this week. All right. Because I had a question about Eternals. I'll say Tuesday. Yeah, tell me on Tuesday. You ask me on Tuesday. I mean, yeah, I guess I have to wait because of this day is insane. But yeah, over, under, do you think Loki makes an appearance?

Because we do know that he lives because of the TVA. Oh. Well, I would confuse the hell out of Thor. It would. That's fun. I don't think so because I think it would take too long of a scene for him to explain. Explain the TVA. I'm going to go, yeah, I'm going to go unlikely.

Yeah. It'd be fun, but unlikely. Maybe a post-credit scene, though. Are they doing a Loki season two? They are, right? Yeah, they're filming it now. The guys that did Justin and Aaron who did Moonnet are doing it. Oh, cool.

And then over under on Gamora. Over. I see that happening as a reason. Maybe they leave. Like I think that something's going on where they have to solve that. I think it's post credit. Yeah, they can both be post credit. What do you guys think post credit's going to be on this?

Maybe some guardians wise reason that's going to lead into part two. When does part two come out next year? Next year. Part three. Yeah, yeah. But holiday special comes out this year. What the hell is that? They're doing like a Star Wars holiday Christmas special with Guardians.

Oh, right, right, right. Yeah, yeah. So it's a full on in-canon thing. So, yeah, that's also this year. So this year's crazy. But that's direct to Disney Plus. Yeah. But this is interesting because is this supposed to be the last Thor?

Is this supposed to be it? It's last thing they've confirmed. The last thing they've confirmed. So knowing that, you have the ability, I'm sure Chris probably is like maybe no more solo films, but I'll come back in and avenger stuff for you when you need me. Yeah. So you're also looking here at like the, kind of this whole end of the era type situation.

I know we've kind of... Old guard. Yeah. The old guard going out, bro, because... All gods must die. Well, exactly. Which you're getting that, which is, I guess, the part that's so interesting about dark world, I don't think I ever felt threatened by Maliketh.

Right. Maybe to the world, but never to Thor. There is a bit of a, there is a bit of a, oh, stop at you. Yeah. Even with the reality stone. You have a friggin' infinity stone. And it never feels challenged. He's never scary.

He's never, he's never, you just like, oh, cut it out, you silly little elf. Stop getting so mad, will you?

And they did all the right things. They made him look scary. They made his voice deep, but like it didn't land. It didn't land. The convergence also didn't feel like it was that big of a deal. Like you were like, I was like,

okay, cool. Like things are kind of flying in and out of portals. That seems worrisome. And here's another, like when you, if I say to my, my daughter's never seen an MCU film here. We're going to watch the whole thing.

That's fun. That's how you should rank them. After what she's seen. But if I say to her, if I say to my daughter, do you know who Lockees? Yeah, she knows who Lockees. She knows who Lekos, right? She knows a lot of these main villains. If I say to her, who's Malaketh, huh?

You ask some MCU fans. They won't remember. You know what I mean? Like, it's such a... The casual fans will be like, who? Like, if this isn't the worst Marvel movie, I do think it's the worst Marvel villain. It's not a good one. Yeah.

I mean, Corey Stoll's not great, but he's at least... You know what I don't mind Corey Stoll. Everyone gives Corey Stoll such a bad fun. Oh, I thought he was great. But I felt he had more to do. I at least knew what his motivation was. I mean, you still pretty buy the numbers. Yeah.

I was just thinking of the mustache-rolling villains. Those two jump out. As far as a bad villain goes, I mean, it's... Oh, wait. Memento dude, homeboy. Adrian fucking... There you go. The dude that breathes fire for no reason in Iron Man 3.

Oh. Aldrich. Oh, Killing Alder. There it is. Yeah, he's probably my worst villain. Well, but I understand his reasoning. I understand him more. I understand him a little more good.

You know what I'm saying? Why I also understand Corey Stoll. There's nothing here that I'm like, yeah, let's do it. Dark, huh? Ghost, I at least, no, darkness, right? Ghost, I at least understand her reasoning. Well, I like Ghost a lot. Ghost is Ant Man, too.

Right. So. That movie is another one that brings kind of love for me. Yeah, but she just stops. Yeah. It's just like, hey, I love the man. Cut it out. And then she's like, okay.

And that's it. Like, you know what I'm saying? So I like what they were setting up. They just didn't follow through. I didn't like what they set up or what they followed through Malikin. I think Ghost is going to be in the Dark Avengers or Thunderbolts, whatever they do first. And then I think Malacith is going to stay in obscurity. Like, I think you can redeem Ghost and like somebody.

Because he died at the end of this, didn't he? I don't remember. I don't remember. How did this end? Bro, here's the thing. This is all you know. This film was really low for me. I screwed up because Christi.

had never seen, my girlfriend, Kristen had never seen the MCU. She'd seen films here and there, but she had never just, like, seen it. So she decided, we're going to do a rewatch of it. We're moving along. We're moving along. I had trash talked the dark world so much.

We froze on this rewatch for almost two years. She was like, I don't want to watch it. Thor's my least favorite character, and his story sucks, and I don't want to watch this movie. She only got the face too. So we eventually watched it because what I did was we bought a new bookshelf.

So we were building a bookshelf, Watch the Dark World. She didn't have to focus. She's like, yeah, yeah. Something about, that's an Infinity Stone, and Thor's mama died, and this guy sucks. I got it. It's so funny. My wife loves the Thor movies, right?

That's interesting. Loves them. It doesn't even mind the Dark World, right? Because it was the one, she hasn't been to the movies in like three years, you know, because of everything going on the world. And I was telling her about, you know, going to the Thor, which is like, I want to go to that. She thought about it, but then she missed it. She doesn't want to see it.

But, like, it's funny because how does Kristen like Guardians? She really liked Guardians 1. We haven't watched Guardians 2 yet. I couldn't get my wife to watch six minutes of Guardian. Wow. She was like, she saw the talking raccoon. She was out. That's it.

So it's all the, that's to be to the MCU, right? Like, everyone's got their niche. It is truly a genre of everyone. Guardians 1 stopped our MCU watch in its tracks. And I was like, let's just power through it. Because I said, I said, I like the first one. She started watching. She's like, no, I'm out.

Wow. She didn't like it until the, Jackson Pollock line because she thought that was really clever. And then from that point, I think you're talking about my wife. I'm like, what the hell? How do you know that?

Winston's always outside. I just gave it out of things. Hey, man, I just always watch him, baby. It's a homelander. Remember three weeks ago when, uh, oh yeah,

how's your wife react to that, by the way? Homelander? No, no, the, the, the,

uh, the video of Winston, uh, I didn't show. I didn't show. I didn't show. I didn't see yet. No, because she was so when I told her that I even brought it up, she was so embarrassed.

That's how Winston heard, though. That's how he knew about the Jackson Pollock lot. He was there. He was waiting. But for Kristen, she was the beginning of Guardian. She was kind of like, oh, boy. And then he said the Jackson Pollock thing. And she was like, oh, that's actually pretty clever.

Yeah. And then she jacked in from there. Oh, did she? Did she? Wow. Did she? She was on board. She was really hard.

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Back to it. Let's get it. So villain problems, good character growth, just a little stagnant at times as far as pacing. Directing's fine. It's just kind of like neutral at points. The fights are fine. Feels a little TV-ish sometimes.

Feels a little TV-ish. It's probably coming off the Game of Thrones stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I got a question. Okay. Early on, when we are on Vanaheim, is that Corg's brother? I think it's the race that Corg is from, but I don't know if they'll do, I think it'd be a funny TICA bit if they'd tie it together.

If randomly one day. But it's the same race. That's what I was asking because he's holding the same weapon. Yeah. So I don't actually think he's corg's actual brother, but some sort of. He's in that species. Yeah, which is fun. Because I've often wondered if they were like just had the mapping and they were like, we've got this Tyca.

a guy. He wants to voice this thing. He's directing. Pluck that. Like, it feels like they just used a rock guy. But it's funny. It's great. Are there other things in here that really stood out besides Loki's a highlight for me again. Yeah, Loki seems to be, and it's where they probably even more so want to develop more.

They have his buddies that the Jamie Alexander, Ray Stevenson, both they're in this again too, but not as bigger roles. Yeah. Lady Siff is a highlight for sure as well. She's so cool. And they have those moments. I think that it's interesting when Jane goes to Asgard and there's that little bit of love triangle action.

You think it's going to be, but it never really goes in there. It's kind of a first act, but I felt it was like if he stayed on Asgard, she stuck with her. Yeah, and that's a cool thing to be like, that's another way they show him choosing Midgard. They show him choosing Earth. Does she eat it in the third one? She was rumored to have been dusted, but then she was in Loki. She wasn't Loki. Yeah, she was in that scene with that.

But that's not, but that's not really time. But that's also not in the dusting universe. I think she's going to be in Love and Thunder there. You think so? Yeah. I think she shows up. Because remember the Warriors three, Siff and the Warriors three get that you ask what by Hela.

Right. That's what I mean. That's the question he's asking him. Are they alive? Well, I know that. I know Zach Levi is toast. Right.

He gets done. He's killed by her. He's out Shazammon. Yeah, right. But like, I think, I imagine that would be a conflict. But I do think he,

I think she survived. I don't know why I think that, though. But that's, I guess, my question because then why didn't she show up in Infinity War? Why didn't you remember all the Asgardians were together. They were together. died. They were murked by

Thanos on the ship. On the ship. We have only a few survived and then the ship gets taken out. So his entire thing, like, that's why Thor's got the darkest. Siff was among the many victims of Thanos's snap. However, she was resurrected five years later by Hulk. So she is alive. Why didn't we see her? That's the weird part. And also, that actually makes me think about

Well, where would you see her? Huh? On the ship. Where would you see her? And what? Either in New Asgard. In Ragner. In what? In Ragner. No, that would be end game. So either a new Asgard, or in the final battle. Like, why didn't we see Siff and the Warriors 3 or any of them that survived?

In what movie? In the final battle and end game. Oh, in end game. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When they came back when they snapped back. Yeah. They established new, new Asgard in like Scotland. Yeah.

So here's your answer. Siff set out Ragnarock and didn't help Thor in Avengers Infinity War or Avengers on game either. It was later said that she was among the casualties of the snap, which means that she was dead for five years. And then came back in it doesn't really say anything. As far as why. Yeah.

I'm going to see. Why didn't ladies' tiffs' lazy ass help in game? Okay, so definitely a highlight moment in at the kind of... The real-world reason was scheduling. Oh, yeah, Blind Spot, that show she did. According to Alexander, Marvel waited until the last minute to ask her to appear in Ragnar. At which point, Marvel's shooting schedule conflicted with Blind Spot. Got it.

Let's see. What was I going to say? The moment that I really loved at the kind of beginning of act two, when Loki and Thor are going off and all of his friends start threatening him on the way out. And I swear to God, if you betray him, I will kill you. Like every single one of them having one of those moments was like a fun little. And it doesn't, that plays back into that Loki moment too.

Yeah. But I think that there was, I don't know, there's a lot in there that I thought worked. And I don't know. I think that the biggest thing that I can agree with is the villain doesn't, Doesn't pop. Does not. But the other stuff to me worked pretty good. But it's not one that I'm going back and watching every time just because,

oh, you want to watch a great Marvel movie? Thor, Dark World. But I don't put it as my, as my stinkiest. And a lot of people do. I mean,

I think it, in some ways I think it's better than Captain Marvel, which is, you know, made a billion dollars. Because at least like it lives with a certain expectation of power sets. And like it doesn't, like there's parts of Captain Marvel that look cheap and it's so expensive.

Whereas this, sometimes it looks TV, but it feels at least grounded. I think I like this better than Captain Marvel. I like this better than than Guardians 2. Trying to think something else. I disagree.

I like Guardians 2 better than this person. I like Guardian 2 more than this. It's going to be interesting to that list because I think this might be like toy story we're all, yeah, toy story we're all like, we all agree, all four great and we like no,

this order's going to be good. I can already tell because of how high Black Panther ranks on my list, our lists are going to be drastically. Black Panther's pretty high for me too. I'm not saying it's not, but like, it's still, depending on the day, can be number one for me. And a lot of that has to do with the impact. A hundred percent.

And I understand that completely. I could, like, as much as I appreciate how great of a movie that is, I'm clearly not going to watch the movie the same way that you do. Yeah. And my Spider-Man experience is probably going to be different than your guys because I learned to read with that character. But even so, though, it's, yes, we learned how to read sort of, yes. But, I mean, I saw the movie. I took RB3 with me to the premiere when I went. And we both, we just watched the movies.

We appreciate it, obviously, in the filmmaking aspect, the same. Sure. But the way he was watching it. And I can't imagine. I was dying. Right. So that's a very different kind of impact for you. So I understand the way that would be up there for you for sure.

And it's also a phenomenal movie. But I think that, yeah, for me, and if I was going to rank him right now, I still think Endgame is up there for me as my favorite. I think Endgame is my favorite. Over Infinity War, because a lot of people actually will put Infinity War over Endgame. It's got time travel in it, man. He loves the time travel. And it's done.

But what I liked about that movie with the time travel aspect. And by the way, I didn't realize, now makes more sense, that the Russo brothers also produced everything everywhere all at once. Yeah, Agbo. I did. Yes. And so you look at the way that they approach time, they probably read the same articles that I do. Right.

Because like that's the same. Like when they had that whole conversation, back to the future is one of the best movies of all time. I prefaced it by saying that. The time travel and the mechanics of that are garbage. Well, they're from the 80s when we didn't have the same, like, studies. A lot of people still do it the same way. Right. You go, most scientists say, if you go back in time and you, like, if Winston goes back in time and

stops himself from ever coming to the studio, then maybe he's not sitting here right now. Right. But that's that timeline. Right. This time lines happen. It's like, you don't disappear. Right. It's just, it's just that timeline.

It doesn't happen. And that's what the Russel Brothers kind of explored. And that's why endgame for me, the way that they did that inside of that, that was like, okay, I love what you're doing here. And they even had that back to the truth. If we ever have a gap again, we should do the Avengers movies. Christian's lying. He loves Endgame because of America's ass.

I mean, obviously, he's right there. He's so investing. Got double gaps? No one needs to lie. I said it was ending. It was part of it. But yeah, if we ever have a gap again, the Avengers would be fun. They call America's ace.

America's ace. Hey, listen, not for nothing, man, but I got to tell you, got to be honest with you. Chris, haven't shown up? Oh, my goodness. What an end credit that was. It wasn't even an end credit. It was an end. And now I got a credit for watching it.

Thanks, Richard. I mean, I don't have anything else say about Dark World than that. I think that's kind of where we're at. I'll give you a dark world. Dark World's one. I can't look at America's ears. Let me honest with you. Oh, my goodness.

I mean, I got to tell him. Taking my girlfriend with me to see it. And the next thing I know, I'm getting these feelings. I didn't know I was supposed to have. It's like, what am I? Some kind of, uh, I mean, the next thing you know, they'll be covered me on some of news news, news, news program saying, listen, it was in the bathroom.

I go, look, I've got to be honest with you. I've got to reveal my true tendencies. No, dark world. That is the reason That's right These bits just keep coming out of nowhere Absolutely Like Maliketh

The guy did nothing Did nothing for nobody She's like drinking chocolate milk With another elf He always ass was flattered At his table It's like unbelievable What are you doing in Maliketh

What kind of name is that It's like a lisp Maliketh Give me a break Unbelievable what do you do with something And you got better people Who are working for you over there Let that guy be the villain

You go mow my lawn will you Biggest twist of a love and thunder Maliketh comes back Imagine if he did, yeah. They make him relevant, like they made Dark World Work and Endgame? Well, you know, the other moment that I really loved just as an action set piece is the only are being confused because of the portals. Yeah. Where it's like shooting off in one direction and goes, oh, Jesus, he's like on Asgard.

Oh, Lord, he's, you know, he's on Van Gogh. And that was a clever way to depower for a bit. Like there were some clever mechanics in this film. Yeah. But that's all we got for you. Oh, we got. That's all we got. It's where we're at.

It's where we're at. Thor dark world. And there's so much, man. We got as we just covered this, we cover Thor. We covered Dark World. Next Friday will be Ragnarok. And the following Monday will be a full spoiler discussion with the three of us. I will have the review of Thor, Love and Thunder up the non-spoiler.

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