The Kristian Harloff Show - REWATCH! Top Gun (1986)

Episode Date: May 20, 2022

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Starting point is 00:00:00 All right, everybody, it's Top Gun time. Wait a minute. You say you weren't going to do it next week. Well, I lied to you. That's the bottom line. We're doing Star Wars Celebration next week, and I realize we're not going to be able to do a rewatch. So, because there's going to be so much Star Wars celebration,
Starting point is 00:00:14 but we're doing Top Gun now. The movie, the new one comes out really soon. Yeah, I'd definitely been not shutting up about it. So we'll get into all that because both Winston and Coy rewatched it. Coi knew it very well. Winston had only seen it, like, I think, like, the first time once or twice. before like the six, seven months ago, whenever it was. So to get him rewatching it now going into this one,
Starting point is 00:00:37 very curious about it for sure. And I want to make sure that you guys are checking out, what the hell am I doing right now? Where the hell is everything? I don't even know where it is. Oh, I took the... No, there it is. So what a day.
Starting point is 00:00:50 Subscribe to this channel, will you? Hit the notification button, do all that. It's going to be a good show here today. And this is what I really want. Here we go. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Rockin body, pretty face.
Starting point is 00:01:08 And the dude bigger than the sand and grace. It's troubling when she's troubling. So give a white berth. Can help but love her. She's the salt of the earth. Now I wasn't expecting a full-fledged passion or salt. All right. So I have questions for you now.
Starting point is 00:01:28 I have so many questions. So we're going to do the game that we did. We guessed the clip last time. Now we're going to guess. So, singing that song, is it A, me, B, Will Sassau, C, Arnold Schwarzenegger, or D, Jamie Costa? Play it again. Okay. Rockin body, pretty face.
Starting point is 00:01:56 And it good bigger than the sand and place. It's troubling when she's troubling. I'm going Saso. It's a good Arnold, but I think it's Saso. Okay. It's incorrect. Is it Jamie? It's incorrect.
Starting point is 00:02:08 Is it you? It's incorrect. No way that's fucking Arnold. Come on, Winston. We didn't get, we didn't even get it. A minute in. Right before we went in any area, he said,
Starting point is 00:02:18 all right. Let's just try to, we're gonna try to bring it down. He's like, all right. I mean, you sucker punch me in the jaw. With an Arnold. With an Arnold country.
Starting point is 00:02:27 That's real Arnold. It's really Arnold. Yeah. So I thought, I thought that it was, we talked about a big thing yesterday, but I thought it was, um,
Starting point is 00:02:35 uh, some karaoke. song or something you're saying it's from the film finding gunther which that's amazing i love that like i fully believed will sasso or jami costa or you well roxy and roxy and step thought it was me yeah and then i was like you know what i'm gonna start playing a game that's i nobody thinks it's no way it's i thought it was you the first time we heard it and then once you like kind of said the option i was like i should actually like listen and see and i that just goes to show how good will sassel's has got yeah yeah Yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:08 Yeah, yeah. Okay, listen. This is fun. Top Gun. Gonna do a rewatch with my buddy's done. I'm gonna watch it and look at it long. I have to say this is my favorite song. So now I need a band of you, Will Sassau, Arnold.
Starting point is 00:03:29 And I need that. And Jimmy Cotton. We need the Beatles. We need to make the Arnold Beatles. Oh, my God. Yeah, so anyway. Call it it, it's not a tumor. It's not a tumor.
Starting point is 00:03:36 It's not a rumor. Get to the chopper. It's not a tumor. Hey, it's not a rumor. It is true. You might be a late bloomer, but I tell you it is time for top gun. Okay, thank you.
Starting point is 00:03:49 It's terrible time. I want to do each movie, but like songs like Will Smith does. Like a Batman and Robin rap. Hey, way, wait, wait,
Starting point is 00:03:56 bro. It's an eraser song. The 90s when you would be like, with all your favorite hits, like, okay everyone, chill. Like,
Starting point is 00:04:04 yeah, that's the song. And it's just coming. Black God and I'm freezing everyone. It's like a Predator song and he's dancing in the back. 100%.
Starting point is 00:04:12 Yes. This is on target. We're right there. But look, Top Gun. Movie comes out. The new one, Maverick,
Starting point is 00:04:20 Top Gun Maverick. And as I've said, you guys have not seen it yet? I've not seen it. I've not seen it. All right. So this is a perfect lead up. And what I've told people
Starting point is 00:04:29 going into the second movie, you do not have to see the first one in order to really appreciate how good of a movie the second one is. However, all of the Easter eggs that you get and the emotional attachment you have from the first film does carry over into the second film. So, and this is something, someone I was talking about, if you go to IMDB and you look at the characters, you know, like, Tom Cruise playing, Payne P. Mitchell, he's going to be Maverick again, Val Kim was in there,
Starting point is 00:04:55 playing Iceman. Jennifer Connolly playing Penny Benjamin. And I was like, well, Penny Benjamin is mentioned in the, in the beginning of the movie. I noticed it now because I've said, told you. And then Meg Ryan brings her up later. But what I got annoyed with is somebody on my... Two mentions. What was it? And then Meg Ryan brings her up later when she's talking to...
Starting point is 00:05:13 She does. Yeah. She's like, hearts breaking all over, blah, blah, blah. And she mentions like that night with... Yeah, so she's mentioned twice. So the thing is that I had mentioned on my review and a few people like, thanks for spoiling that Penny Benjamin is in it. And I'm like, it's on IMDB.
Starting point is 00:05:24 It says her name is Penny Benjamin. What do you want me to do? I didn't write the movie. Well, I'm so offended by this character referenced twice being in it. Like, what it's not a spoiler. It's not like, it's a moment. If you look, if you, but no, no, no, he's saying because I said in, in my top gun maverick, I was like, well, Penny Benjamin, for people who know, she plays Penny Benjamin, who was, who was the admiral's daughter. I'm saying they're hiding it.
Starting point is 00:05:46 Like I'm saying that's not like, no, it's out there. It's, it's, if you go to IMDB, it says Penny Benjamin. If it was said, I, if it was like, Demi Moore Blank. No, but it was Jennifer Connolly, but with like a different name. Yeah. Then I wouldn't say, well, they watch it. It's a big reveal. And so I didn't even mention it.
Starting point is 00:06:01 Like, you have to kind of see the first one and realize it. You want to even pick it up if you don't. Right. To the point where, again, if they were trying to hide it. Right. Atlanta, like, did an episode recently where, God, I cannot remember the actor's name, but he played... Donald Glover? No, no, no.
Starting point is 00:06:16 God, no, I wouldn't forget Donald Glover. The guy that played Doug in The Hangover, the guy that was getting married. Oh, yeah, the fourth guy. Yes. Ringo. Well, he was the star of one of the episodes because what they've been doing is since the main characters are in Europe,
Starting point is 00:06:34 and obviously all four of those actors have become A-listers now, they couldn't keep them to do a full every single episode. Right. So half the episodes follow white people in Atlanta, which is hilarious. So the guy that plays Doug randomly an episode just follows him. And I'm like, why do I know this face? Why do I know this face?
Starting point is 00:06:50 And it's not on IMDB at all. He is listed in the credits of the actual episode. Yeah. But the production specifically did not want to ruin the surprise. Right. So you do it here. Yep. So now you tell us.
Starting point is 00:07:00 Because I'm a season behind. I'm rewatching it. Four weeks. I'm rewatched Atlanta. I haven't seen it. I'm doing a full rewashes. It's great. I'm on middle of season two.
Starting point is 00:07:08 What do you want? Spoilers or swearing. You get one. I can't stop both. All right. Keep it swearing away. Spoil everything. Aluminati,
Starting point is 00:07:17 Illuminati. The third act of. But no, but the movie, even when this movie starts out and the music. From the opening credit. Everything is stunning. It just throws you into it. And I was reading about it in a couple,
Starting point is 00:07:30 I was reading a few articles about how they shot it. And like the military was very involved. And unlike the second one, it was all pilots that were doing the flying. Yeah. Like there were no actors in doing that, you know, actual stuff inside the plane's flying. line around. And there was, they could only shoot, because I think you, they shoot a few missiles
Starting point is 00:07:48 in this movie, but they're only allowed to shoot two of them. They filmed two of them. So Ridley, excuse me say, really Scott, uh, Tony Scott reused that shot. Yeah. The explosion. Yeah. And the other firing out. Yeah. So there's a lot of interesting tidbits about this movie and, and in watching, you watched the Val doc? I got about halfway through. I just haven't had an attention. Did you get to the Top Gun part? Not the Top Gun part yet. Okay. So, do you You haven't seen it. I saw it. The week came out.
Starting point is 00:08:15 That's right. I remember. So remember that the way that they played that so well was because Iceman and Maverick can't stand each other without the entire film. And the actors actually set up camp where they were not hanging out with each other. And they were like making fun of each other. Yeah. Like even in that in this documentary, you see the old footage where they're kind of making fun
Starting point is 00:08:34 of crews and stuff. Yeah. And it's interesting to see like Val Kilmer talk about the role and how like he didn't connect until a certain point. And like seeing the role develop on screen. and how Iceman is a stiff character and he's intentionally calculated cold. And I think any lesser actor than Val Kilmer
Starting point is 00:08:49 that would have been a really boring part and it would have a much lesser movie because he doesn't have a lot to play with but Val Kilmer is so inherently charming and interesting you can have someone do very little and do so much to juxtapose the wild reckless Maverick. You know what's really interesting and it's not that Tom Cruise doesn't have lines.
Starting point is 00:09:06 He does. So to answer your question, Christian, it was very long ago. It was winter 2019. When you saw the first time. Because you borrowed it for me. Because I borrowed it from me. It was when we were still doing SCN here.
Starting point is 00:09:22 So I borrowed the DVD. I was staying at my sisters at the time. So that's how I remember. It wasn't that long ago. It was a Blu-ray. It wasn't a DVD. Well, okay. It was a blue-ray.
Starting point is 00:09:30 Laser disc. Sorry. Actually, there's a VHS tape. I have a laser disc. Actually, Christian just did shadow puppets for me in a window. That's right. You know.
Starting point is 00:09:38 Yeah. But what I noticed about this is it reminded me a lot of baby driver in that like while obviously Cruz had a decent number of lines here, he really was doing a lot more like reactionary acting and having everyone, I noticed Goose's monologue and Vipers monologue and, God, Charlie's monologue, where like he's, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. So that like he's still obviously speaking a decent amount.
Starting point is 00:10:04 Sure. But he really is just more taking everything in. And I thought that that was some of the best acting I've ever seen at Tom Cruise. and it seemed so interesting because it's so young in his career, what he had Cottail right before this, and Days of Thunder. Yeah. Well, Risky business was a big.
Starting point is 00:10:19 Risky business was the day's of Thunder was after. Radio was after. Yeah, it was risky business. It was outsiders. Taps was like a small part. Yeah, outsiders. All the right moves, the football movie. And then I don't know all of his movies in order.
Starting point is 00:10:32 I'm on Tom Cruise gag. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it was just interesting watching that Maverick because of how Tom played it and maybe that's partially Tony how he directed it, was just genuinely a very deep character and not just from like my best friend died, but just in general, you could see the wheels turning in Tom's head
Starting point is 00:10:53 as this is going on. And that's what drew me in. And I can say that in the sense that I told Christian when I walked in, this is aggressively 80s. But it doesn't hinder it at all because of how good the acting and the story is actually being told in front of you.
Starting point is 00:11:07 And I think that the 80s is much like the decade having only lived two years of it, a very big, like it's, you know, the big shoulder pads, the big amount of cocaine, the big amount of everything, the big music, the big,
Starting point is 00:11:17 yeah, like it's big. I got the need, the need for speaking. But it works when the emotional heart is so big that the action can be big. And I think that's why we revere these 80s movies so much is because we're in a time
Starting point is 00:11:29 that everything feels like we're being stifled a lot. Like we're in a time where everything feels like we're like, ooh, what can I navigate? How do I? Whereas the 80s was like, yeah!
Starting point is 00:11:37 And like, there's something beautiful to that. And, Tom got to do a lot of this while the movie around him was high fives and homoeroticism. Like it was great. It was the movie itself, even when it starts out, and you have the introduction of everything Koi's saying where it's, get ready. We're going right into this thing. And you started out where they teach you who Maverick is immediately.
Starting point is 00:11:59 Yeah. He's doing the inverted thing, which they also said inside this thing I was watching, impossible to do. But that's one of those 80s movies really great moments, like when he's inverted upside down. he gives the mig the finger. With the polar eye. Another thing, by the way, I realize that they,
Starting point is 00:12:14 they constantly use the, the term mig wrong throughout, at the movie, it's not, it's supposed to be as far as unknown. I forget what the exact, um, definition was,
Starting point is 00:12:25 but this thing I was watching, it's, but they, they did it because again, sounded cool, felt cool. There were a lot of inaccuracies, but to sound cool.
Starting point is 00:12:32 But to sound cool. And it works. And it works. And it works because even, that whole thing, the setup of Cougar, how about Timothy Robbins in this movie? Dude,
Starting point is 00:12:40 the first, time I watched it as a like young adult. When you, you've seen it your whole childhood. And then all of a sudden you're watching a movie, you're like, is that Shawshank? Like, when your brain goes like actor equals part
Starting point is 00:12:51 and he just reveals, right. The cast of this is bananas. Like everyone from, die hard, the black guy from, yeah, who takes over when we lose goose?
Starting point is 00:12:58 When he, when he was, and the quarterback is toast. Yeah. But even like a young Meg Ryan. Like it, you know, she's incredible in this in her shoot scenes.
Starting point is 00:13:07 She's not even, she hasn't even hit Superstar. Not yet. No, this was, Maybe she did Armed and Dangerous. I don't remember. But this was 86.
Starting point is 00:13:16 So, yeah, I think Armed and Dangerous is around the same time. But Harry Met Sally wasn't until like 88. I just love the relationships. Because even her relationship with Pete is more interesting than most action movie relationships. It's true. Even their connection in that scene after we lose Goose or their connection when Goose is playing the piano,
Starting point is 00:13:35 way more captivating than most movies. That scene, besides, it's very important to the second. a movie, by the way. But also saying important for just you, for people who've watched it, you get rewarded a little bit more emotionally. Okay. Because of that scene, right? But that, but I'm glad you brought that up, Coy, because there is that moment where even
Starting point is 00:13:58 when it starts right away and you see how Meg Ryan and Tom Cruise are, you feel like they've known each other for a long time. You feel like they've been through it. You feel like she's supportive of them. And she even said, she was like, I want to warn you off about them, but I can't. I love him to death. Yeah. And all that, it's like, and he's falling in love with you.
Starting point is 00:14:14 And all that, and I, and just in that line, go, you big stud. You know, like, all of it. It's like you believe that they've been married for a while. And you forget. Take me to better lose me forever. And then when he repeats it, like, there's so many inside jokes that are like on screen for us. There's so much like groundwork laid. I thought it was, I thought it was, uh, Charlie did.
Starting point is 00:14:33 Yeah, that's, that's what I mean. It's like, they build out those like moments that are like connecting them together. Right. Can I, can I say just from watching it? because again, I know you guys know it like the Bible, but I'm looking at at Maverick's, like, opening line to her when they're kind of flirting or whatever. And he's like, hey, girl, you trust the government.
Starting point is 00:14:51 Why can't you trust me? I said, bro. Yeah. What? What? Oh, my God. And I loved how they broke him down. Like when he came in, he came singing the song.
Starting point is 00:15:04 Yeah. And like super cocky. Eric goes into the ladies room. That's not going to pay in today. And he goes in, but it's still, it works, but then you break him down to where he's just, the thing with his dad. He's a guy that's like covering a lot of his wounds by being arrogant.
Starting point is 00:15:21 And I love personally one of my favorite moments is as an adult when he leaves her house. And she's like, where are you going? He's like, I'm going to go shower. And it's like the bravado of a guy being like, I could stay. I know you want me to stay. I like what's happening. I'm going to keep this happening. I'm going to go shower.
Starting point is 00:15:35 And I offer to take a shower here. Yeah. I tried to walk in and shower here. If it would offend you, I'll go shower right here. You said, it would offend me. Two hours I've been stinky. I'm going to leave. That's right.
Starting point is 00:15:44 I've been sitting here talking. That's right. All those emotional beats feel way more real than a lot of action movies and franchises especially give us now. And you also buy the friendship between Anthony Edwards and Tom Cruise. Or all the friendships even in the other wingmen. Like you buy Iceman with his partner. Hollywood.
Starting point is 00:16:04 No, no, no, no, no, no. Slider. Slider. Yeah, yeah. But you buy those. Slider. Slider. It's so stupid.
Starting point is 00:16:11 It's so stupid, but I love it. Okay. The only thing that I didn't love, but it might just be a military thing and so I can do whatever is, is that opening getting the entire bar to sing to her? That was a little weird to me personally. I think that might be. But go to San Diego, not at Comic Con. But they're also very tight-knit group, man. Fair.
Starting point is 00:16:32 They're the one percent of. Now, if it was the whole bar that didn't know each other and then they start singing. That happens sometimes in movies and you're like, oh, come on. It's not a Seth McFarley. These are people who are like tied together and like do a lot together. And like they'll go after each other. But, you know, they'll kind of bond together. And they were being wingmen.
Starting point is 00:16:52 And they probably been with each other for like, what, four or five years. If they've gotten to that point in the academy. Well, no, no, no, for sure. And that's what I was saying. I get like like if Goose and Maverick are doing it together. But it was literally the entire bars. Like, I know this song. Who we flirt.
Starting point is 00:17:05 And wait. Also remember, because this is something that I realized afterwards, too. It's also a bar full of like 22-year-old kids. That's also true. They're not like, that's the thing is that we're looking at it like today. You and me. I'm like, I'm going to sleep. I ain't saying nothing.
Starting point is 00:17:21 Can you imagine the three of us at a bar? All single and all of a sudden Christian just starts serenading somebody. I'm like, I got you, dog. I'll do all the other words. I got you. And the three of us would do that. And then everyone else would be like, what are these idiots doing? But one of us might leave with Meg Ryan.
Starting point is 00:17:37 That's, well, now. Sorry, I realize it's Kelly. What's her name? But there's actually a picture of McGillis. There's actually a picture of Meg Ryan on the wall. It keeps distracting me because he keeps talking about Meg Ryan. There is. A long time ago.
Starting point is 00:17:58 So, oh, I have to play. This is not Topcom, but I wanted to show you. I found this today. And someone tweeted at me. This is incredible. Check this out. Look at. Oh, I love that.
Starting point is 00:18:11 Isn't that great? That's history. Two legends. What's that? No, no, no. Who is that on the right? Tony Soprano, man. That's what I thought.
Starting point is 00:18:18 It's got to Phine. That's awesome. Again, Lafini. And Ali, sorry. There's nothing to do with Topcon. I just thought it was really cool. It's all the time and it's historic. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:27 So, yeah, this movie to me, like, you know, I was raised on this movie. My mom is. No food. They just put this on. That's it. We grow pork. We watch Top Gun. No, but my mom was obsessed.
Starting point is 00:18:37 with Tom Cruise to the point where like my dad looks like Tom Cruise. Like my, he's my stepdad and my, he's my stepdad and like, it's because her obsession with Tom Cruise. So growing up, like literally any movie night, my mom got to pick. It was probably going to be a Tom Cruise movie. Gotta keep her off TikTok. A lot of people look just like him now.
Starting point is 00:18:53 Woo. Yeah. But that said, it's really interesting to see like how much these movies shape a generation and how much these archetypes kind of inform what action movies became. Like this followed by Days of Thunder followed by, you know, what he did with the Mission Impossible franchise.
Starting point is 00:19:07 Like Tom Cruise is always the guy kind of shaping the next one. It's very true because this It leads into the next one. That's why people who have seen this movie The first one, right? Are expecting This right and there is some of this in there, but this but it also adapts to the times and it's why it's also what I told I talked to my friend last night from New York He's like, dude, I saw your review. You really love that Top Gun movie. I'm like, dude, people are talking Oscar for this movie He goes, shut up and I'm like I'm telling you man. This is this is not a Because I can understand it, like, going into the movie, I'm like, it's going to have this 80s feel to what,
Starting point is 00:19:42 and I enjoyed watching it again. It was great, but it's, you know, when an Oscars are the first Top Gun, this movie is deeper and I get to explore more because this movie Top Gun had, the first one, had a decent budget for 1986, for sure. But, and I said this, and someone was like, well, Tom Cruise was a big star at this point.
Starting point is 00:19:59 He was not. He was a star. Like we were saying, he'd gotten warmed up. He was getting, he was getting, this was the one that made him a massive star. Yeah. But it also, it wasn't. and it didn't have this budget where you could,
Starting point is 00:20:09 it's movies, what, an hour and 40 minutes, 45 minutes, like that? So it's like you, you couldn't, you didn't dive deep into it. But what they did, they put, they gave you a good emotional attachment to these characters in the hour of 45 that it did.
Starting point is 00:20:22 But the second movie does that in, and then, this movie felt like, you know, rest in peace, this is like, Chadwick was already like a pretty big star before Black Panther. Sure.
Starting point is 00:20:33 Black Panther launched him into full-blown A-list, superstardom, even though he'd already, done. James Brown, yeah, well, James Brown was the one
Starting point is 00:20:39 that got him like the notification as far as being like that guy's like shit, but the household name, 100%. Like his risky business was, you know, the biopic stuff.
Starting point is 00:20:47 Yes, absolutely. And I think that the Anthony Edwards performance and the connection is one of the better 80s romances or connections and movies because it's really emotionally available.
Starting point is 00:20:59 And like some people joke about the homoeroticism and joke about the connection between these guys, but it's really vulnerable and open. And I don't think the movie works without these guys having these very open, vulnerable connections.
Starting point is 00:21:09 And then you've got the male female dynamic that's built off the male male dynamic. And you let me see that in movies today. Like you don't see scenes like Meg Ryan talking to Tom after Goose with that much openness. With support. With support. Like she's not mad at it. No, we don't see that.
Starting point is 00:21:24 She knows the game he was in. She even said he would have floated out you. He would have hated it. We would have done it. Yes. Those kind of scenes, that's why I love lethal weapon so much. There's like, there's something about 80s movies where they let you breathe.
Starting point is 00:21:33 And there's more time invested. Like there's a whole subplot and lethal weapon about like what's on the fridge and the cat and the house that's always in construction. That stuff we don't get in movies anymore because everything's on this one path and Top Gun lets you live a little. It's tension spans also but I think that it's but the well it's true but the um the other thing we're talking about like goose's death right you know why it's so impactful because he just dies he doesn't get hurt and go oh math tell my son or tell my wife uh who is his body hit the canopy he's dead instantly and
Starting point is 00:22:06 And that's and it's, and he's, and Tom Cruise's reaction to it of, of, oh, no, no, no, you know, like, it's, it's real. And even when the guy comes down, he's like, let him go, sir. You've got to let him go. And even when Scarrett comes in afterwards, Viper comes in and says to him, you know, just as much as you got to let him go. You know, Vipers, and Viper says to him, you know, it happens and it's going to probably happen again.
Starting point is 00:22:28 Yeah. So, and that whole thing is pretty, pretty powerful. It's, and it's, it's so expertly done, even how you then take his trauma and just as far as storytelling, you take his trauma, he gets put back out there. Iceman's like, can hang. Don't bring him out here, sir. He's like, hey, shut up, do your job. And then he starts to bail out.
Starting point is 00:22:45 And it's like, bro, you're gonna get too more people. What a great climax, right? Like, what a great storytelling element that he can't hang. He doesn't do it. Then quits, you live through that beat. Then he leaves Kelly, live through that beat. And you don't know at the very end. Obviously, it's a movie, so we assume.
Starting point is 00:22:59 But we don't know if he is going to be able to actually achieve the goal that the movie sets up. And then the movie ties itself up in a bow. Like the movie's like, It does tie itself in too. And remember it also ties itself in from the selfishness of what Maverick is. Maverick's just trying to win the game. I love that Iceman's crown top gun too. I love that element.
Starting point is 00:23:16 Yes. And he says, well, he says in number one, he says that he was all, he was trying to become number one as he's flying through this whole entire time. It's what he cares about the most. Yeah. It's just being number one. And he leaves Iceman for a second. And he leaves, or it's not Iceman, I think.
Starting point is 00:23:31 He leaves Hollywood. He leaves somebody as a wingman. And then he went and Viper winds. of catching him. He leaves Hollywood. You were right. And then he won't leave. He won't leave. Even though it sounds safe. He's like, we got to go. And he's like, I'm not leaving my wingman. And he's learned that now. And that's something when the main character kind of learned something puts you in that kind of
Starting point is 00:23:48 perspective. And people go, oh, that's kind of cliche. You remember this is the 80s also. They also saves it for later though. It did. It's cliche, but it's a bit later. But it wasn't as cliche. But it wasn't as the 80s. At what point does it get cliche later. You know what it happens a lot. Yes. Like I said, this movie was the precedent for a lot of Yes. Right. It wasn't happening all the time beforehand. They don't have the association like we do that's right what movies does it line like if you're saying it's cliche what movies is it like but you can't say eight you can't say anything past uh before you have to say 85 and under right and this movie started a lot yeah and it also like i think the action style is really unique like
Starting point is 00:24:22 tony scott does get enough credit because like the way this movie shot i love the use of orange i love that it's actually obviously practical was the only way to do it then but they actually attached cameras to the planes like that wasn't a thing that was established yet like the bold choices it took. And it wasn't just, even when people are talking, it's not just like a two shot. There's a lot of really intense claustrophobic, high stakes, sweating. Like the movie's intense as hell. And it's throughout. And I don't think that it would have done as well if it wasn't Tony Scott. I agree with you. I think the moment that sticks out in my brain, obviously the dog fights, but when he gets, Charlie calls him out in class, he takes off on the bike when she's trying to tell him something.
Starting point is 00:25:03 And she's like, I'm not done. It gets in her car. It is we've, we've, through traffic. He's like, you try to die. I said, look, you a maverick, maverick, but it was a good job. I just can't say that. I'm trying to get a job here, son. I was like, yo. They're great. And you know the scene that comes after that is in the
Starting point is 00:25:20 elevator? They filmed that six months later. She's actually got brown hair, and that's why she's got the hat on and stuff. Oh, is that true? That was a completely additional. The movie had wrapped. So additional photography, they were like, we don't want the last scene of them being yelling at each other. We need this, like, closure scene. That's why she says, like, oh, you need another shower. She literally
Starting point is 00:25:36 as like she's on another movie she's got brown hair and stuff so it's funny to watch the movie knowing that knowing that like they needed that one more emotional beat because the last thing was them like oh no no no yeah it's true yeah I mean he had a lot I mean and that's the thing it was very hard for me though to try to separate a lot of the moments that they took from top gun but from hot shots oh no I know well isn't there something where like they're like eating food off of each other or something it's in the beginning it's in the beginning well no yeah yeah that's from nine and a half weeks though, but the thing that I always think of is
Starting point is 00:26:08 in Topper Harley's, Charlie Sheen's dad is killed in the beginning on a mission, but he sticks his head up and he thinks, and they think he's a deer or something they shoot him or something. But it's like they all think he's crazy and then it's revealed that he's, that he was good and saved everybody
Starting point is 00:26:24 and that's what happens in the gun. And you find that there's that whole thing that he's been trying to live up to his dad and trying to figure out you know, was his dad this kind of lunatic that was off the grid, is he going to be like him? And then Scarrett tells him, your dad was about as solid as it gets, man.
Starting point is 00:26:39 And you're that guy too. Yeah. It was a great scene. Yeah. Tom Carrot's such a good like father figure. Scarrett. Yeah. Tom Scarrett's such a good like father figure mentor role. And again, not a lot of screen time. If you actually look at each of the scenes in the movie,
Starting point is 00:26:52 Scarrett's got like three or four scenes. Meg Ryan's got like two or three scenes. And the movie moves at a great clip because of that. I'm really excited for the new one because of the amount of cast. Like I obviously haven't seen it yet, but like I'm such a Glenn Powell fan. I'd like to like Miles Teller more. I love Tom Cruise.
Starting point is 00:27:06 Dude, I love Jay Ellis. I can't wait to see. I can't believe, which by the way, I'm not even trying to harsh the vibe that people are still like, oh, they're going woke with Top Gun 2. You got a black and a Jew and I'm like, Taylor Rock from the Sweets yesterday.
Starting point is 00:27:18 Like Taylor from like Shmoda, I saw that stuff and I was like, because there's more than white people, also angry white man, are you aware this is the gayest movie ever? Like did you watch the first one? Like if you got a problem with this. I mean,
Starting point is 00:27:30 that what's wild to me too is that you go back and watch the OG movie and again, sundown is black. Like, you have, you have people of all different whatever in the movie. So what are we talking about? I don't understand. But it got woke. That's the stupidest thing ever heard. I mean, it's so stupid.
Starting point is 00:27:47 That's stupid. That's stupid. It's like you, any, that happens. It's such a lazy argument a lot of times where people will write and they'll, and they'll go, oh, I'm not watching this because, well, because why? Because the cast, you haven't even seen it yet. You haven't even seen it. I also don't understand.
Starting point is 00:28:01 Like, yeah, because, people don't all look like you in the world? Like, do you not go outside? Like, do you not look around you? Yeah, I do understand, like, you know, sometimes when it's, and you and I have talked about this, sometimes it's, it, it hurts a purpose. Sometimes when it's,
Starting point is 00:28:15 when there are things that are forced in that don't make sense. Sure. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Sure. Or when a character is inherently overpowered because of like, they, they cast a certain way and you're like, well, I know that's not the villain.
Starting point is 00:28:24 Right. They wouldn't like, that to me distracts from a movie. 100%. But, but guess what? There are black people and women in the military in the Navy. It's new. It's new. It's woke.
Starting point is 00:28:34 What are you talking about? And by the, and look, and it's also one of these things to where, and just to jump into the same. It's a man, Hulk a woman. But the James is the same conversation,
Starting point is 00:28:42 but the same conversation, right? Like, and I've talked about this with Reva, right, for, um, for Obi-Wy-Wy. I think his character looks awesome. I think it's great that they got in her. Everything,
Starting point is 00:28:53 every interview that they, that you hear from her is how excited she is, the stuff that you see in the trailer. My concern with that is not the fact that you're putting a black woman in a role. that's great. And I hope she's a kick-ass villain. Let her be a villain. You've got the Disney.
Starting point is 00:29:09 You're worried she's going to get saved. Or she's going to go to the lights side. It's okay to make... I don't care if the villain is black or white or Asian. I don't care. I want them to stay a villain. Yeah. I want them to stay.
Starting point is 00:29:22 And I also want it to be Obi-Wan show. I would love for Revere to get an own show, like an Inquisitor show. But I love... And that goes into the same thing like with Top Gun Maverick. It's his movie. It's his movie. It's the Boba Fett problem. Like, you know, the Boba Fett problem.
Starting point is 00:29:36 We'll see how that goes, but they made him a hero and it wasn't his show. So I'm really curious how that... It was a show for like four episodes, though. Yeah, but like the ones we didn't enjoy it. But that was the thing. It almost felt like he was the camera for a completely different story, the story of the Tuscan Raiders, the story of the biker gang, the story of the mando.
Starting point is 00:29:54 He was her eye out of the wrong way. Yes. Yeah, and I understand that argument for sure, but that's not the case for Top Gun Maverick. It is his movie, and it is, and all of those people that we just mentioned, shine. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:07 Because they're used. They learn to fly. Because they're used in a great way with their team though, man. Like they're used inside of this. I mean, everybody shines in this movie. Everybody shines. But I mean more than,
Starting point is 00:30:18 I say they learn to fly because in even more than most movies, like you can have an incredible cast and you can have these people that are large in the life. But in a movie where they literally had to learn to do the things they're doing on camera and act and direct themselves, they must be exceptional human beings. So if anyone's going to complain about a cast being cast for like whatever reasons they're upset with, these people learn to fly and operate machinery while they're like, they must be an 11.
Starting point is 00:30:43 And also, but see the movie. Yeah. Before you got to see. Absolutely. It's a you want to have your thoughts of why certain characters outshined others afterwards. Free country. Do whatever you want to do. But see the movie.
Starting point is 00:30:55 Yeah. It's like it's whether you have, whatever side you're fighting on, see the movie. I cannot stand when people are, are, or start. fighting about an issue and throwing things out on Twitter and they haven't even seen what the hell they're talking about. I got tickets for the AMC investor
Starting point is 00:31:10 like, because I have AMC stock like that thing and like it was only half full. I'm like people need to see Top Gun. Like it scared me that I was able to like casually secure ticket to an early screening. Of the first movie? No, this. A Maverick.
Starting point is 00:31:23 What's I'm saying? It's like usually those sell out in like no time and it's two days early. Yeah, I'm just I'm hoping I'm espousing like I think word of mouth. I think word of mouth is going to start Because right now, this movie will have bigger legs than most. Like, and nothing against Dr. Strange.
Starting point is 00:31:38 You know, again, we've all talked about that movie. So they had a big drop off. It's still going to probably make a billion dollars. So it's not going to have too much of a massive hit. However, if it would, if it was more universally liked by everybody and the word was strong, there were some people who love it, but there are a lot of people who don't. If it was more like, let's say, 9010 or 9510, the way no way home was, right? That movie would probably have a chance to beat.
Starting point is 00:32:01 No way. I think we're going to see more of a structure of tent poles that are popular are going to surge and then have a bigger drop off accordingly because they're bigger surge. And then we're going to think we're to see mid-level movies. I mean, sorry, mid-budget, not quality, mid-level, mid-budget movies have longer legs because people are seeing it when they have time. Right. That's what I think there's going to be an impulse.
Starting point is 00:32:22 I got to see it before I'm spoiled. Top Guns like first weekend, second weekend, it's top go. It's going to be people raving about it. And right now it's just the critics that are raving about it. So you're like, I don't know. And I can already tell some people who are like, yeah, there was one guy yesterday who said, and this is exactly what I think most people are thinking, oh, you're just hyping it up. You're hyping it up too much. You're just hyping it up.
Starting point is 00:32:40 They can't be that good. And this guy who saw it yesterday at a screening said, I thought you were hyping it up in this movie is incredible. I can't wait. I can't wait, man. Look, again, the fact that that's two movies that are not just in Oscar contention already this early in the year because of their special effects, but because of the. the actual films. Everything you've said about Topcom, you know, I've heard this buzz
Starting point is 00:33:04 with Maverick, but everything everywhere all I want to want as well. Another movie that's got legs. I think that's what I'm saying. How big of a budget is that movie though? Not at all. Nothing. Right.
Starting point is 00:33:12 But that's what I mean. I think movies that are like, we'll get movies smaller than Top Guns. That's what I'm saying. But I'm saying they'll have the same legs where it's like barely dropping off. Oh, I agree with that. I agree.
Starting point is 00:33:20 I'm just saying as far as a, it's not like, it's not like, that one's not a big budget. You don't think of big budget action film. No, you think of Top gun. okay, this is going to be like an over the top. And so speaking of what's so special about both million. Yeah. Wow.
Starting point is 00:33:35 About what's so special. I know. But what's so special about both of these movies, Top Gunn movies, is the music too, right? Yeah. Whether it's the 80s, Kenny Loggins. Is there new Kenny Loggins? Do you want me to spoil you? Never mind.
Starting point is 00:33:47 Never mind. I was like, please. I want to know, but I can't. Yeah, I don't want to. I still jogged at the Top Gun soundtrack, man. That Top Gun soundtrack is incredible. It's great. Can I say watching this a second time made me love Archie?
Starting point is 00:33:58 that much more. I can't imagine. Because I would watch it. I was like, I get it. You love Top Gun, whatever. But it doesn't really resonate with me all that much. And now having rewatches, I'm like, Jesus Christ, I see that this movie has fully formed Archer as a character.
Starting point is 00:34:13 Because I actually started liking Archer only with Top Gun stuff. Like Archer wasn't for me. I struggle with cartoons. And then, but once I got the Top Gun, I was like, he gets me. I get him. Like it's like a connection. He loves Top Gun.
Starting point is 00:34:24 He is obsessed. And to the point where he actually hires Kenny Loggins. at one point to do his engagement because he's actually i need you to yeah it's real kenny he's like i need you to sing danger zone it my engagement damn it i saw all the videos of like our friends interviewing people on the on the ship and i was jealous because i wanted to be there it wasn't until i saw someone talking to kennie loggins and i was like okay now it's personal like it's on that boat so uh and then going back into what we were talking about with val kilmer where he was another one he hadn't really he did like real genius was the only thing he had done
Starting point is 00:34:53 no no no top secret top secret and i think real genius was right was before that too yeah probably right But he still had not popped. But this was, and Koi, I think you said it before this, Iceman's not really built out too much on the page. It's how electric he is. And what you ultimately see down the line in his career, whether he's playing Jim Morrison or whoever it is, that charisma that he's got,
Starting point is 00:35:15 that he brings Tom Kazansky, Iceman, just to life. Yeah. And it's a perfect, you know, into Cruz's Yang there because it's so. Because they're both intense. And I think if you played it poorly, intense and intense, it'd feel one note. But instead they're intense and opposing directions.
Starting point is 00:35:31 I think the perfect, the perfect bow on what their relationship was, not just as characters, but as actors, I didn't know about them living in separate camps like that, was Iceman trying to tell Maverick, I'm sorry about Goose. Hey, look, I'm sorry that, you know, he's a good guy. He's a good guy. Everybody liked him.
Starting point is 00:35:51 Everybody like, I'm sorry. And they just walks off. And I'm like, that is like the most, we're not friends, but this is serious and I'm sorry you're going through. It's your buddy. I know he's your buddy. I knew he was doing. And the beat of Val looking up and like trying to figure out what to do. That is why Ice Fan works. That one beat is like, oh, this is a character. You don't write that on the page. It doesn't say like, pauses, looks up. Val Kilmer goes, he's controlled. He's always calculating. How does this come
Starting point is 00:36:17 across? And like, that's why Val Kilmer had the career he has. That's right. And the reason that Mark Riley has is the career he has is because he's doing Star Wars and Star Wars in 30 minutes yet again. He's, him and his buddies have been doing this for a while and it's really,
Starting point is 00:36:31 really good. The show is awesome. They're going to be doing at Star Wars Celebration on May 27th. So make sure if you're there, you should check it out, but they're also going to be
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Starting point is 00:38:54 No, I'm just kidding. I can't do it again. I eat my greens in the form of a smoothie. That's what I do, and don't be rudy. Oh, man. I would love to see Arnold in this role. Can you imagine? Man.
Starting point is 00:39:16 You never close your eyes anymore when they kiss your lips. Not get in the car. Come on. Average. Goose. What are you drinking over the middle? Milk? Milk is for babies.
Starting point is 00:39:26 Come on. Get in there. Who do you see? Oh, you see the plane? He'll be fine. Come on, let's go. Get the viper. Get the viper.
Starting point is 00:39:35 Oh, there's the viper. Come on. Oh, no, Jester. Ha, ha. You're dead Jester. Ha! No, who's next? Iceman?
Starting point is 00:39:40 Ha! I laugh at you. Who's next? After you? Oh, he's the guy from the Shoshank in the back there. What's he do? Oh, this is the guy from Die Hard. Ha!
Starting point is 00:39:49 I love you. You're lying. The quarterback. He's toast. Fuck you. Oh. It was Arnold. Arnold did it.
Starting point is 00:39:57 This was what? This was at 86? This was 86. So he would have been right on Mr. Olympia. Like he would have been, No, he was past that. No,
Starting point is 00:40:05 it was. Going in and out. Terminator was 84. Oh, got it got to got it. Yeah, Predator was 84. That was 82. Arnold is skyrocketing at this point.
Starting point is 00:40:15 He's just right after commando. But he's still big enough he wouldn't fit in the plane. No, he beat the plane. Like that man would not fit to a fighter jet. Yeah, no, he was. He was massive at that point. I remember in Commando, he's got the, he's carrying the tree.
Starting point is 00:40:29 Oh, that's right. Yeah. And Predator, he like was the size of the guns. Him and Jesse Ventura would not fit in planes. The best. I would have been hilarious. And as much as we goof, though, that's actually a great point that we can kind of put at, at Tom Cruise, who's pushing five, six of his lucky, five seven, right?
Starting point is 00:40:46 And at the time where Stallone, Van Dam, all these people are kind of coming up at that. Van Dam is probably getting there. He's getting there. But Chuck Norris, like that was the action star. Yeah. And Tom Cruise was, it's similar to me. My five, nine time to shine. I know.
Starting point is 00:41:02 But like, think about it. I can't get a jet pilot, race car driver. Right. Small, compact. Those are, you ain't sent an Arnold in as a spy. That's my true lies, mother. Yeah, but when he walks her, you're like, bro.
Starting point is 00:41:15 When he's in that suit, you're like, you want to tango? That's why one of my favorite jokes about why there hasn't been a black James Bond is like, if James Bond is like, if James Bond is supposed to just be the quote unquote, every man to just slip it. Can you imagine a black dude coming in like in the middle of just like Sweden, you know, Bond, James Bond, hey, he's the spot. It's him.
Starting point is 00:41:32 He's the guy. Idraselba stands out somewhat. Idriselba may raise some flags. This very handsome British black man has entered the chat. Did you, but you see what I'm saying though with the way that how? It reminds me of like Jason, Jason Bourne. Yeah. And when Matt Damon was playing that character,
Starting point is 00:41:51 at the time when he took that character on, there was he was not an action star no you never even considered him to be Tom Cruise was similar you now you think about you go oh yeah Tom Cruise he's a mission impossible but he he was not an action star did you see the behind the scenes of how he trained for a collateral it's one of my favorite things
Starting point is 00:42:06 Tom Cruise like it's 2000 oh he was riding around in cabs right he was a GPS drive oh okay so or FedEx whatever it was he delivered packages in L.A. Oh wow to prove that he could be so covert Tom Cruise no nothing on his face just literally Tom Cruise has Tom Cruise delivering packages in downtown LA to be like
Starting point is 00:42:23 Like, I'm that incognito. And this was in the 2000s. He'd been a movie star for 30 years. Wow. That's when he knew he'd accomplished the collateral thing. Wow. It's on YouTube. It's so cool to see.
Starting point is 00:42:32 Dude, I mean, collateral is one of my favorite movies in all time. Yeah, Michael Mann. But yeah, I think this is very similar to what happened even with Chris Pratt's transformation because he's coming off of Parks and Rec and all that.
Starting point is 00:42:43 And then all of a sudden between Star Lord and, you know, Jurassic World. Yeah. Like all of a sudden you can kind of see that trend. You would have never thought that. Sure. He was the chunky. funny guy from that and now and now and now he's a start.
Starting point is 00:42:57 The same thing. And Tom Cruise was, again, risky business, all the right moves, kind of more of a drama, but not, he's comedy stuff. Yeah, like outsiders was a drama,
Starting point is 00:43:04 but he didn't play the handsome guy. He still had that single tooth. He did. That's right. No, it's true. So this is a, this is a massive role for him.
Starting point is 00:43:11 People don't realize how big of a role. This was one of the ones that kind of shot him into Superstar. This movie also changed the distribution model. This was the movie that changed what VHS was. Like, this movie actually changed how they released home video. because so many people wanted it,
Starting point is 00:43:24 it was the number one selling home video purchase versus rental. So this movie literally changed movies by being something people wanted to own. And I think VHS was like $35. So like this movie made money. Yeah, right? 35. That is, that is cheap. I'll tell you, no, dude, I remember this,
Starting point is 00:43:40 my dad was a saint because I would have told, I can tell you right now as a dad now, I'm like, are you out of your mind? I wanted splash on VHS. Okay. I must have been really good. For a while because my dad got it for me. It was like 70 bucks.
Starting point is 00:43:56 What? I'm telling you. Splash. They didn't sell movies at home. Like it wasn't the same thing. Because it was go to the theater and it's going to be in the theater for a year. It was like this is like 85, 84, 85 and my dad bought me this thing. And it was he just like, you better guard that with your life.
Starting point is 00:44:10 And now I know why. The Top Gun VHS would be released. Sorry to interrupt. Released in 86 and would change the home video market forever by lowering the cost of home movie, which were previously extremely expensive. They would introduce theirs at a much cheaper cost. use ads to offset the cost. This set the new standard for home video, which is still used today, 1986.
Starting point is 00:44:27 I mean, I do remember that at the start of it, you had all the trailers for other stuff and the occasional. So you'd have to fast forward through all that. Right, right, right. It's like, watch other stuff. Now it's 35 bucks. Like, and that was, and at the time, 35 bucks, like, that's today's 70. So 70 would be like $200.
Starting point is 00:44:43 Well, it's, it's nuts. Because like the dollars worth nothing. It was nuts back then. So, yeah, so either way. And the movie just, it, it was very, very, very. popular. Remember, the music, the video game that came out. People love that Nintendo game. There was a top gun video game. Oh yeah. For Nintendo it was hard. It was hard. So hard. Yeah. The VCR cost $1,200, which is $5,500 today. A VCR was $1,200. Yeah. Remember, though.
Starting point is 00:45:10 So 5.5K, dude. Yeah, because those, it's, well, think about when the first CD player came out. Yeah. Well, think about how, think about how expensive the first VR headset was when it first came out. I know what it is today. I remember when Blu-ray players came out. They were like 500 bucks. Yeah. But like I guess maybe like you said, talking for inflation,
Starting point is 00:45:28 like how much would 500 when the blue ray dropped in what? Like $2,000. $700 now? I mean, look at, look at gas. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:34 The dollar's not worth. But to think that a VHS machine was $1,500 though, and a blue ray player was $500. Remember that other thing in the two is the, the production of them were not, it was harder.
Starting point is 00:45:46 It was harder to do it. Yeah. And not as many. It's like having a TV special. Well, because VHS is when they first came out, we're not, Because what you think probably in your head, when you got a Blu-ray,
Starting point is 00:45:56 they were pretty much like CD players when you got the players. Even the crappy ones when they first came out. The VHS, the first one was like a car engine. Yeah. And it was like, it was heavy. And they had like this metal thing. It was like, push it down.
Starting point is 00:46:08 It was like, slide the tape in and then. Yeah. And rewinders because the VCRs were brief. She had a separate real winder. Yeah. Have you ever seen, have you ever seen short circuit? Yeah. So the first VCR was like Johnny Five's head.
Starting point is 00:46:21 That's like, that's like, I'm telling you. Wow. So it was like, so pre top gun, uh, the average VHS was 80 to $90, which is over a hundred,
Starting point is 00:46:28 which is over $200 per video. So 200 bucks for the movie, $5,500 for the actual device. Yeah. Well, because back then, it was before that, it was you made your money on,
Starting point is 00:46:38 I was, because like, I'm watching and I'm obsessed. And if you guys, do you have Paramount Plus? Yeah. Yeah. You guys better start watching the offer.
Starting point is 00:46:44 One of the best shows I've seen in a very long time. Really? Awesome. It's awesome. And, it just, I'm even thinking about it, where the in that time,
Starting point is 00:46:55 like the Paramount, they're really waiting for hits like box office. There is no home box office. There is no blue rays. There is no digital things. All those types of deals that you can make extra money with. The movie bombs, you're done.
Starting point is 00:47:06 But that's why when you look at the inflation of like when people, you have to go back and realize how impressive it was that Gone with the Wind made the money that it did. And these movies made the money that it did back in the day because that was the way that they made money. They didn't get re-releases. They didn't do all these. If they did, it was,
Starting point is 00:47:19 but they stayed in theaters longer because it was more of, event. And the same thing with Top Gun did very well because it just stayed in theaters. Now, you're in theaters for like three weeks a month if you bomb out and then you're on streaming. Yeah, and that's it. Or simultaneous if you don't trust the movie. I mean, it's funny that you mentioned that because I do, even though you had VHSs and DVDs,
Starting point is 00:47:38 I even remember in the 90s growing up that you're exactly right. A movie would be in there not a month. It'd be six weeks to maybe three, depending on how well you're doing. Titanic was in for like 10 months. Yeah. Something like that. And you'd wait for secondhand. Like I'd wait for secondhand movie theaters.
Starting point is 00:47:55 Like the $2 theater and be like, you catch stuff. It's where I saw Wing Commander. I saw that's where I saw Shawshank. I shot Shotshick in two bucks. So Shawshank bombed out in the theater. It didn't do very well in the theater. Wow. I didn't know that.
Starting point is 00:48:05 Yeah, nobody realizes that. It didn't do very well in the theater at all. It wasn't in the theater very long at all. And because Forrest Gump was the movie everyone was talking about that year. And then Sharshanx came out nowhere. And I was in nowhere. And I was in Florida. And I saw Shawshank was playing like the dollar theater.
Starting point is 00:48:19 And I'm like, I'll go check it out. And I said, how in the world is that movie playing at a dollar theater? Like, you, you should, like, that's the guy from Top Gun. That's right. It's funny how he pops in there. That's curious so, too, because he wasn't a big star yet either. Like, why, why wasn't the black dude in, in there with him? Because they, I guess because they got, they had had their riff.
Starting point is 00:48:40 Yeah, maybe he didn't trust him. He was a bigger character, I thought, throughout the entire time. Yeah. Sundown. Sundown's not with him in the final firefight. I thought, no, he's not. It's Merlin. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:49 But that's because. The Sundown was one of the people in the Top Gun Academy, and remember they were given their assignments to the ship. So that's not necessarily the same class. I'm assuming he just got differently prioritized. And he might have been a better, he might have been better ranked because he actually graduated. So he wasn't part of that crew.
Starting point is 00:49:05 Yeah. Well, that was the thing. I thought that he graduated, he just didn't make the graduation ceremony. I thought that he was about to quit, and then he ultimately did come back. But I'm saying like, then he'd be higher ranked.
Starting point is 00:49:13 I'm saying like if, you know, he got higher ranks, you might not be on, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. But also based on how that fight went, because remember he did give up in the middle of that last little skirmish before they get their real assignments. So Sundown may have been like, I don't trust this guy. That's probably true also, yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:30 Either way. And he threatens him on the deck. Like I'm not sure sundown's like, I want a time. I want to do it again. Yeah, I know. It's true. I think that that's my point though where in the new movie, you would see that scene,
Starting point is 00:49:41 that transition scene. They did have enough time. They probably just didn't have enough time or film to do it. Because it was actually film on an aircraft carrier. Can you imagine trying to get film stock? Like all of the variables. of making movies in the 80s. I know.
Starting point is 00:49:52 Trying to get film stock out to the ship, like the ship docking, having to adjust for all that. The sound, launching actual aircraft. Well, Val Kilmer talked about it. He was talking to Larry King,
Starting point is 00:50:01 I think, like 2012. And he, they were asking him back then. Because I remember, because Tony Scott, I think, passed in like 2013. And I think that they were looking for locations and ideas
Starting point is 00:50:13 for Top Gun 2, even back then. Yeah. They were talking about it forever. And then Larry King had asked Valcomer. He said, are you going to be in the second one? He said, nobody's asked me to.
Starting point is 00:50:21 He was like, I'll do it. But he was talking about Tony Scott. He was talking about how he would take these shots and how excited he would get when he was shooting the engines
Starting point is 00:50:29 in the back and watching it. It's really great interview. And the movie is stunning for those reasons because like, you know, it's kind of a love letter to jets as well. Like, you know, you don't see a lot of movies
Starting point is 00:50:39 that care about the vehicles, the devices except like Transformers and shit. Like this movie feels badass because you're like, we do this? Like in real life, we fight jets. Remember,
Starting point is 00:50:48 they had a lot of people sign up to the military because of this. Oh, it's almost, I mean, it's practically propaganda. Like this movie's like, you know what's awesome? The military. You get to play volleyball. You get to ride motorcycles.
Starting point is 00:50:57 There's so many shots in the Navy where it's like join the Navy. I'm like, I get it. But that's why they had such cooperation from because that's exactly what they used it for. And it worked because tons of people signed up after this movie, tons of people. It's great ad. It's funny because for someone that didn't watch this film, I, rewatching this today, slash last night, it reawoke the fact
Starting point is 00:51:23 that I had a massive obsession with fighter jets and wanted to be a fighter pilot and I didn't even remember that until I started watching I was like, oh my God, and I was out here obsessed with the F-16 Falcon
Starting point is 00:51:32 and all this stuff I was like, man, that's so cool. Couldn't do it because I can't ride a roller to say my life, but it's dope as hell. And they're flying the F-14s in this one. Yeah. Yes.
Starting point is 00:51:42 So the F-14s for, and it's, I can't wait to you. I see the new one. I couldn't handle 1G, much less 7. Like I was watching the behind the scenes of Maverick where all the actors are doing it. I'm like, no.
Starting point is 00:51:52 To be honest, for half a second, I got confused with it. It was like, I can't reach. I was like, just reach up and grab it. I'm like, oh, the G forces. You're spinning at such a speed. You can't move your arm to get to the thing. Is that though why Goose died since Goose pulled it? It did something different or just, it just.
Starting point is 00:52:05 It just was faulty. Yeah, it was faulty. It was faulty. The canopy didn't launch enough to clear. So he broke his neck. I assume. And they got caught in that whole thing. And they also get caught in it because Iceman won't,
Starting point is 00:52:17 refuses to leave. Yeah. It's probably like Iceman's fault. It is. And they never even address it ever. Because Iceman is sticking around and Maverick's like, you don't have the shot, dude. Get out of there. And he's like, I can't.
Starting point is 00:52:27 And he said 10 seconds two minutes ago. He's like, 10 more seconds, five more seconds. And it's like, bro. Get out. Yeah. And so Iceman never really, he never really gets any crap for that. And he was, he's, I hope that that that comes up in the new movie. I mean, it's a less.
Starting point is 00:52:40 Remember, it's a long time after. He's still upset 30 years later. But, but, but what I will say is that the fact that what it does is that it does is that it does start that whole thing that they have from when Maverick saves him at the end, and they have the handshake, and he's just like, you can be my wingman, and he tells him,
Starting point is 00:52:55 you can be mine. Like that, that's the core of their relationship. Yeah. And that's, that's what's so special about Ice Man and Maver. I can't wait for Maverick. I can't wait.
Starting point is 00:53:04 I'm so excited. I can't wait. I can't wait for you guys to see it. I can't wait to build it. I mean, not even even on air, just to talk to you guys about it. Yeah,
Starting point is 00:53:11 we're going to be texted and then we have to remember to save some of it. And so that's a reminder to everybody because of that, we are not doing a, rewatch next week because I'm going to be at Star Wars Celebration with Steph and Mike covering everything. So there'll be a lot on this channel on probably Thursday, Friday, and Saturday coming on, like, I'm going to be posting a lot of clips. So we didn't want whatever rewatch it was to get buried and all that. So we're just going to, we're going to push it back. No rewatch next week. But we will be back the following week. I think we're starting Toy Story.
Starting point is 00:53:40 Oh, are we doing Maverick, though? I thought we were doing Maverick the next week. So we're doing, I mean, I think that it's, it just, it depends on if we can get it in time. If not, we'll probably just talk about it in general, but let's, let's, I mean, not on that Friday, because I know Ellis and I are doing a spoiler review of it. So it is, it's coming out in six days. Yeah. So we would have to do it on that. We'd have to do it to release it on that Monday. Right. That's usually what we do. We'll figure that out. Okay. But, um, either way, guys, make sure you subscribe to the channel. If you haven't done that already, hit subscribe. Notification. Make sure you're following both Winston and Koi on the tweets and Instagram and all that
Starting point is 00:54:14 that stuff. And that's it. It's all I got for you. We will see you guys on the flip side. peace out

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