The Kristian Harloff Show - REWATCH! Toy Story 2 (1999)

Episode Date: June 10, 2022

Lightyear is the latest Pixar film starring Chris Evans. He plays the iconic character made famous by Tim Allen in the Toy Story films. On our rewatch series, we have been going through the series as we await our big Lightyear episode. Toy Story 2 is up next and it was released in 1999 and once again sees Woody, (Tom Hanks) Buzz (Tim Allen) and the rest of the toys on another adventure, this time to save Woody as he learns where he comes from. Kristian Harloff, Coy Jandreau and Winston Marshall rewatch and talk about the classic animation. Follow the crew on Twitter! Kristian Harloff https://twitter.com/KristianHarloff Coy Jandreau https://twitter.com/CoyJandreau Winston Marshall https://twitter.com/TheSwaggyBlerd Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hi. Yeah, that's it. Hi. That's the whole show. We're doing a rewatch. Did you know that? Do you know what a rewatch is? Well, if you tuned in, you probably've seen it before. We're doing Toy Story 2 with Light Year coming up. So the way we're going to do it coming forward. If you listen, first of all, you're listening on Apple Podcasts or Spotify or any of that stuff. Thank you so much for that. This is not that show. That's the Council. This is a big thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've got so much to show you. Show some class, all of it. And then absolutely nothing. Subscribe to the podcast. Listen to the big thing on the go. Apple Podcast. Spotify, all of that. If you're wondering, what the hell are we doing for rewatches? Well,

we've decided. We've made a plan. Today, you're getting Toy Story 2. I don't know how long the episode is. You know better than I do because you clicked on the video and you saw the time. So you know better than me right now. So good for you. But next week, next Friday, we're going to do Toy Story 3 and 4 because I just don't think that somebody's going to click on a full video of just Toy Story 4. I could be wrong. But I think three, at least I rope you in, because three is one of the best. So we're going to do three and four next week and then light year. Full spoiler review conversation the following Monday.

So we got a lot going on. We also have this Monday, Jurassic World Spoiler Conversation, tying off on the Jurassic Park rewatch series that we did. So Winston and Coy, new cameras. Well, that's not true. It's the same camera, new quality on the camera. And all that stuff on the show today. So make sure once again that you're commenting,

subscribing, hit that notification button, do everything you got to do. And we'll see you. In just a moment here on the show, it is the big thing. Come on, baby. What's up? Yeah, they're both here. Yep. Got it.

Talking about Koi's hair earlier. It's doing fantastic things. At this point, we should be talking about the black eyes. I'm not from lack of sleep. Dude, that hair looked like, you were sponsored by Joy Mode. That's what that hair looked like. I was in. I was up and I'm staying there.

But if it's more than four hours, can tell the doctor. I love the new cut except for when I look like I just found a microwave and put myself in it. I'm so tired. I mean, yeah, you know, that's all right. That's the only thing about putting shit in 4K? Yeah, no, it's all real. All right. Now, I'm going to hold you to this one today.

This is Toy Story. Okay. All right, all right, that's my only one. Stuff. That's my only one. I'm genuinely going to think about my words. I believe in you. It looks like.

What do you got? You found a Jesse. That's right. That's right. See? That's what that. You know what? Pixar brings people together.

And I'm saying it's a magical time. And these are family films and I want kids. So whether or not those things correlate, we'll see what happens. Hey, man, look, I, I'm happy for you. I appreciate. Just knowing that you've been, you've been at like every promotion.

I've been hustling. And I finally got to meet Chris. I'd never met Chris. And like, we're from, we grow up near you. How I'd be your intern? Dude, I need one. Hints the bags of bags.

Man. And like that, I love that Toy Story. Like, I grew up with these movies. So it was kind of like personal. I didn't realize how personal it was going to be. until I got an interview and someone started asking me stuff, but I was like, oh, I'm having emotions about the past.

You know what's so interesting about rewatching these? Because we're, can I spill the tea about what we're doing today, Christian, or should I not? Yeah, you go ahead. Behind the curtain. We're recording all of these in a day, and a lot of that is scheduling issues and whatnot, so we had to knock them all out. Which was hilarious. You're going to tell the story about what happened when you walked in today?

Which part of that? My wife. Oh, what happened? I don't know the story yet. This is hilarious. So I already felt pretty ghetto, right? Right, so I didn't have time to eat breakfast. I knew we were going to be here for a while. So I ordered food to Christian's house.

I'm standing outside. That's not good. You should have just asked me, can we order food? I would have. I'm sure you would have. But either way, I just stood outside his house like a grifter, just waiting for this guy. He gave me the food.

I'm walking by. And all of a sudden, I hear, why do they have to be here for four hours today? And I was like, I literally look. And I'm standing here like this. And it looks like you're moving in, like at top of it. Like, I was like, should I just turn around and walk out? And I came. sat down and then

like, and like, Christian came in, I'm like, anything good, he's like, yeah, it's fine. It's fine. I'm now afraid

because I didn't know that story. Now I'm afraid to leave. Now you know. When we leave in three hours. Just like, wave like, straightly.

The funny thing is I'm going to show her this clip tonight. She could be so embarrassed. She had no idea. Like, we're sorry? You have to understand. Every time I walk into your backyard,

I do look like just some random black dude just walking into someone's backyard. Remember, Corey Coleman. Corey Coleman is coming here to same thing. What happened? He'd go to, First time he went to the front door, I was like, you know,

this isn't the height of the pandemic. So she's like, hello? And he's like, oh, there's Christian here. And then she's like, she's like, he's like the nicest guy. Corey's like the sweetest guy in the world. And like the last time he was, I think he just came through the gate and she's like, ah!

It's hilarious. You know, it's not, it's not as bad, but the fact that I can't reach the gate. The fact that my five, nine ass is like literally thumping across the gate. And only because we know each other so well now, like you had texted before where you said like I'm four minutes out. Yeah. And this is my first response. What's from?

A little hobbit can't get over. I need the time. I need the four minutes. It's me and Christian's children trapped in the game. I literally, my black, spidey says this would have to be in for four hours since I had. I'm like,

oh, oh, oh, looking towards the accent. It was hilarious. They brought a change of clothes so we had different things. Same,

same? I'm ready. I can't wait to show her this thing. Because when we camp, when we camp out at night, we shoot last night she's watching so you think you can dance. And I put on

I showed you guys the clip of Brett. He was just on fire on big thing this week. And I was showing her because we had watched Deepwater together. And I was like, hey, I was like, hey, pause it for a second. So listen to this. So I'll do that tonight. And I'll say, hey, won't you hear this? And she's going to be embarrassed.

She loves you. All about her. It's okay. You did not commit a racism. You were totally fine. You were just talking to your husband. It was totally fine. She loves you.

She sees you trapped outside. She sees you like flopping at the gate. Let him be. Corey's just another guy. Here he is. Yeah, cause just another. She did call me like Corey and Cody.

I've gotten a few names. No. Not recently. Not recently, but I remember specifically. I've earned a name. Yeah, no,

but Winston, Winston she likes. I'm the reason the four hours is a problem. That's a reason. It was just Winston. You're fine. She liked me before, but I'll tell you why,

Corey. No, has nothing to do with what you're talking about. Do you even know what I'm about to say? No, let's see. I was going to say, I was going to say,

because I bailed his family out from death and went got groceries for them a few times during the pandemic. I was running, I was running, I was doing Instagram and running my own grocery business. Yeah. So I, it was right when it started. It was right when it started.

Yeah. So you endeared. You got in the family. I get it. That makes sense. I was, she was like, I need these types of bananas and not those.

And I was like, all right. I was like, I don't see if she's like, it's all right. Don't even worry about it. And I was like, oh, they just stocked them.

She goes, see, you're a savior. See, I'm just out here inviting Christian premieres and shit. She's like, you're going to get my husband killed. I'm like, it's fine. It's fine. And plus you don't listen. I already said no S-H-I.

And you did it. He got one. But I said, please don't do that. Oh, well, here we are. You're hungover. That's it. That's it. That's it.

Guys, it's been a week. Okay, we're doing stuff. We should talk about Toy Story Store. Toy Story 2. The leap and video quality. Like the leap, I mean, obviously. Our video quality? Well, that.

But also Toy Story 2, between one and two because they, four years and Monsters Inc was in the middle. So it's not like they had a full four years, the same team. A lot of those, like, compositors. and obviously it's only improved. Lightier looks flabbergasting. But between one and two might be the biggest leap. Like it is insane because the first one is the first CGI film of all time.

So it's largely like here's a shape, here's a mapping, here's the texture. That's what you can do. And then the second one you start to play with like cinematography. You start to play with like the depth of field. You start to play with the texture on them changing depending. It's a really beautiful film. Even I think the thing that stuck out to me is that you're already seeing like the color and getting better. Yeah.

It's not that it was bad in the first. was still really good, but, like, I think about, like, Sid and some of that room, and it was very kind of wild. It reminded me of when you go to Adobe film, and they're like, this is not Dobie, this is Dobby, and then they wipe it across. You can't see the dude in the shadows, and all of a sudden you see the guy blowing the fire.

And that's what the coloring difference felt like to. I love that we watched all four in a week, effectively. Because, I mean, one was, like, late last week for me. Five of you. Five of you, yeah. So it was cool to see the progression of art, like, what animations become. I literally saw the first, well, I guess we watched. I watched the first one the previous week, so I watched two and three and one day.

I was gonna sit down and watch four and I was like, I need to give myself a break. Yeah. And then I watched Power, which is, you know, the complete opposite of Toy Story. The Netflix joint? No, no, no, the stars one with 50 cent and about... Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Close, yeah, yeah. Close, in tone.

Close in tone. But what I was... But the movie itself, I thought that what they also do, remember that this, I think it was the... Excuse me, the third Pixar movie what we said, because they're First was... Toy Story, Monsters Inc. No, no, no, I'm Monsters Inc. Oh, sorry.

Bugs Life. Then this. And then Monsters, I think, came afterwards. I think so. So this was first, or at least third, excuse me, but the up, as you guys mentioned, the up in quality because of the amount of success that the first one had. And then this one, we talked about crushed at the box office because people were just pumped to see it and started playing on more.

I believe, still at this point was VHS still. And playing... I think so. Yeah, in 95 was VHS. This is 99. This is right when, so this probably started, but they were expensive. Because I remember I got the Matrix on DVD before I had a DVD player because I knew I wanted the Matrix. Matrix was like the first.

And that was 99. I actually feel like I remembered Matrix being announced as like one of the first. Because it was the Wachowski's like they know that. But I remember I couldn't afford the player so I just had this thing that I knew was going to be special. And then it was like a year and a half later. I got the player and I was like, it's time. But like 99 was the Matrix and Toy Story 2. Like I consider 99.

I'm one of the best years in cinema. Like that movie, that was crazy. No, I think it was that. I mean, that's the year of Mummy. That's American Beauty.

That's, uh, fight club. That's, uh, I mean, that's everything. American Pie,

I believe it was 99. Yeah, it was a lot, things really shifted. It's so funny you mention American Pie because, uh, like I just, just randomly some video popped up and it said,

how to never start an interview. And as John Cusack sitting there, right? And he's, and he's, he's talking to whoever the, the interviewer is. And he says, hey,

how are you, to the woman and she's like, hey, she's like, oh, it's so funny because last night, going into this, I just watched American Beauty with my friends. And he's like, American Beauty. Okay, what's the significance? She's like, you were in that? He's like, no. Wasn't in that.

And she's like, yeah, you are. He's like, no, I wasn't. And she's like, really? Really? Yeah, pretty sure. I'm not in that movie. How do you correct someone about their life? I got a story like that.

I got a story like that of my own. I remember this. Holly Hunter, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I could not remember what movies Holly Hunter was in other than The Incredibles. And so I'm in the Batman v. Superman interview with her. And I'm like, you've been so many great films, the Incredibles. So tell me, after being in a superhero film, like the Incredible.

Yeah, because I genuinely was like, oh, God, oh, God, oh, God, oh, God, oh, God, oh, God, oh, God. Raising Arizona, me? They just, is that on the internet? That's amazing. It's not. It's not. the footage somewhere, so I got to see. We got to play that on this show.

Yeah, that should be real. That's it. I'd like, just a little extra in that pause, a little curbed your enthusiasm. What's wild? I killed it in every other interview. My interview with Ben Affleckxie, because he went to Oxennaud College and that's where I graduated from. We had a talk there.

Had a great interview with Galgado. Had an incredible interview with Henry Cavill. I'm still, I'm still in a meme with him. Yeah, I've seen it. Because it's him saying like, oh, I see it's laundry day and I'm wearing a batman t-s a great moment. Yeah. And Moritz Fishburn.

I treat him like an uncle. and we just chopped it up like two black dudes for a while. Incredible. I got to Holly Hunter. Bomb, just, just, you'd use it up. You'd use it up. You'd gotten all your goodwill from the universe out.

I get it. It happens. But you blew it. You blew it. He needs some milk. He needs some milk. Magic costs debt, man. It's a debt.

That's what happened to my eyes. Like it's a debt. You pay for it throughout the week. Here we are. So I also like that they mixed it up from, you know, the growth of the first film is buzz accepting, like, what he is.

and there's also the childhood evolution of what it means to be a child imagination, all those things. And then the second one is like Woody has to go through an arc similar to what Buzz did, but it's more about like the reality of what it is to be your own man slash toler. Like I love that the arc becomes Woody and Buzz have kind of opposing arcs that always work narratively even throughout all four films. Well, you know what's so interesting is because we had to watch our four and we'll get more into this when we do the three four episode, it really is obviously Buzz had his own growing

But if you're following it as Woody, not just as a toy, but as his life. It's kind of the idea of, again, that replacement at work. Yeah. And then after that, realizing that maybe you didn't live your full potential. And the second one, the third one, you end up in retirement. And what does that mean? It's also like mortality, right? Like, if you go macro with that exact same arc, like, this movie is about him finding a new family that is his pre-disposed family.

But he's putting himself in a case. But I like that they did that. He doesn't want to die. Like, he's a friend. of not being played with. So we'd rather be not touched and just, like, that's terrifying. I like what they did with the fact that they were focusing so heavy on Buzz in the first one, obviously, that they wanted, and Woody gets a lot of love in the first one, obviously,

but this is really more about, as you said, his story, his origin, like the, the idea of where he came from, because we get that way more now in Lightyear for where Buzz came from. But, like, Woody, this is kind of that story of where he came from. So people are like, oh, this should be a Woody movie. This is. It's very much a Woody movie. This is the Woody movie. SIE and what's the horse's name?

I love that horse. Bullseye. Bullseye. But this is how we, this is how you learn. And it's great because you remember, at least I remember my dad telling me stories like when he grew up with howdy duty and all those things. And it was like very reminiscent to the types of shows that my dad watched, you know? So like, so that when that was happening, I thought that was great.

Plus the fact that they've done this a few times now and it's kind of like a cliche kind of trope in the toy story movies. But like the guys you think are his buddies. Yeah. are the bad guys. Yeah. And it's fun. Yeah.

They do it twice. Twice. They sort of do it. I guess not really in the fourth one. I like that they kind of twist on the twist, though, because in this one, it's a twist that sneaky Pete. Like, it's late. It's third act.

I liked that in the third movie, we just know, hugs. Right away. It is like within a few minutes. Once the toys get abused, you immediately know. So you get more of the long enduring trauma of villainy versus this is like, oh, hoodwinked. And they do a really good red herring. where they keep because of Jesse's,

her own trauma, because of the fact that she's like, I'm not going back in a box. And you feel for her. You think, and you do. You think it's her. Right.

You don't think it's Pete until he finally is like, nah, you're done. Mint condition in the box was such a clever thing because it's a great toy nod. It also introduces a new style

of character because I love that with these movies, you wonder like what it is to be a toy. Like, are you activated when you're out of the box? We learn that's not the case. And what's hilarious. He's still mint condition.

And what's hilarious is that Al is pretty much the same character from Jurassic Park. Oh, It's amazing. It's amazing. Wayne. Yeah. It's the same exact character. He's so good at it. Yeah, he's so good at it. He has mastered it. I didn't realize, since we're doing Jurassic simultaneously, this somehow actually worked. I didn't realize that Dodson from the new Jurassic was supposed to be Dodson from the first Jurassic. Like that's supposed to be the same character. Which one? Dodson, the guy that like, Dodson,

we got Dodson here. See, nobody cares. The scene with Wayne in the first Jurassic Park. The guy at the barbassol can. That's supposed to be same homeboy in the new movie. What's the main villain? Oh, really? Yeah. Because Because that real dude was my acting coach, and he got arrested. That's why he has, that's why he has a can. I didn't get it. Oh, interesting. It's like the recasting, because the real guy's in jail.

But like, that part, but the other thing that was weird about, I mean, let's save it for the Dominion talk because it's over my, over my head too, but just his personality is very different. Right. It's a weird, but it's funny. We're talking about the two movies that, like, have this one character that, like, you'd never would have been like, oh, Jurassic Park and Toy Story, that correlation. But, like, there is a similarity of, dude, you had, remember Rex falls out of the back of the car in the toy store, and you see.

see that him running behind it. Closer than they appear. Also, they reinvent technology. 93, 95. Yeah, too. And I do love how Buzz has to step up, though, and become like the leader. Yeah. And be taken over. And be selfless. Like, he has to be a team player.

And he is. Well, I mean, he was, though, in the first one. He got to that. It was, it was Woody, though, that was, it was Woody that was the one who was more about, you know, he had the leadership role, but he was doing it because he was, he knew he was Andy's number one toy. Right. And then once Buzz came in, he was like, well, and everybody kind of shunned him to

the side. He was like, well, I don't want to be a team player anymore. to all look at me again. And then him and Buzz had to work together. And now it's kind of reversed where Buzz has to make everything work. And the whole scene when they have all the various buzzes, you know, it's a great scene. The whole toy store segment of like you meet the new characters and really inventive ways. I'm a married spot.

I'm a married spot. Even that, even Mr. Potato getting his Miss Potato after the first movie. Like that whole art is great. But then literally like what her packing all the stuff for his like adventure. Yeah. Which that was also the fun thing. It gave that homage of like the. the guys going on the road trip

because they have to, like, maybe think of road trip and made me think of American Pie where it's just all, we got to go save our buddy, man. That was such to this era, like the 99, because I was thinking Rush Hour

had those spoof credits, which was iconic because of Jack and Chan. And this movie had spoof credits that were animated. Like, they had to animate bloopers. I cannot believe they have green lit Lits Bugs Life 2. It's not Bugs Life 2.

What is it? True! That's funny, yeah. And that quest with Buzz is so great because you've got the arc of Woody having his own. existential crisis in a new way. You've got Buzz taken, like we said, the leadership role in a different way, but going on

like a noble quest. And it all comes together by introducing like 30 new toys and the cast grows by like twofold. They really love playing idiot, like, newbie buzz. Because they did it in the first, obviously, with our buzz. You do it again with the one that came out the box with the belt. Yep. Because he's genius. Tim Allen knows how to be dumb so well.

I love watching it now, though, knowing, it's true, but I love watching it now knowing that, so that Tim Allen's voice. is essentially, like, they couldn't get the main actor, so they got like the, right, they got the, they got a spin-off bootleg. Yeah. Like, someone's like, extra. Well, we can't think about the plot later. Because the movie of light here, they basically couldn't get the actor to play them.

So they used Tim Allen's like, but what's hilarious. True or false. Tom Hanks does the voice for the Woody toy that you buy in the stores. Oh, false. It's his brother. Isn't that cool? It's exactly canon. Video games.

Yeah. Which is essentially what, like, life imitating art. So if that, so if that, so that, so. that, so that, if that Woody doll was based off a movie with Tom Hanks, it would be his brother. You know what I'd love if in canon in this movie on TV, it was his brother. Like, it'd be funny if the, if the black and white stuff was his brother, like brother, Hank's. Um, but either way. So you have, I mean, there are those, as you said, anyone but shit.

I know, but I think you said, I think you said it. I think you said it well, you know, where it's, it is this, he, when he first gets taken from that garage sale or the, the, the outside and, and Al steals him, uh, like the, like the, like the net, like the net, like the net, like the net that he is, or whatever is. He goes and he doesn't want to be there first. And then he feels like you said, he starts to accept. He maybe this is the place I want to be. And then once his old family comes in,

it's when he's got to make that choice. And I love that they bring him in, that they bring them in. And you see the cast. You see the dynamic between that family, that family, literal family. What's really funny about this is that Woody, if you look at his arc over all four movies, is actually super selfish. We knew that in the first one.

Oh, they don't change that. Yeah, his arc, he evolves in his selfishness. Well, exactly. So, like, the second one again, they got him because they go, bro, not only were you were a TV show, you were a record player, you were a ball drop. You were buzz. Yeah, you were the buzz. You were the buzz back then.

You didn't know you were buzz. And that's what, so there's that. Then in the third one, again, we'll get to it. But the idea of like, screw with daycare, y'all. I got a kid that wants me to be number one. It's about me being number one. It's still about one. In two, it's him being number one to America.

Like, it's him being number one on a scale. But it's really interesting to have a quadrilogy that's that consistent Because we talked when we did the Spider-Man movies when we did the Jurassic Park movies about like certain ebbs and flow and quality I would argue this quadrilogy is amongst the strongest like you can have good trilogies Rarely is the fourth one decent and rarely does it keep the arc and pace going well It's true and I'll tell you right now that if you want ebbs and flow in quality Listen to the big thing as we should be getting story story blocks Story blocks is fantastic.

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Pixar is still only three in, but knowing, we got something here. Yeah, it's something special. When you go in in 95, it's like, we think we got something. We hope this is a new thing, but like I would like to see, I'd be very curious to, because you know how studios are.

Once at 95, you look at all the studios that were making animation, and it was still all the old school way. Right. The stuff that was lined up, the stuff that was being developed. Strait didn't get to 2001? I think the success of this helped. A hundred percent of it. That was DreamWorks.

Yeah, it was DreamWorks. Yeah, it was DreamWorks big one. Right. And that was, and Toy Story paved the way for that film to do what it did as well. And then, but I would be very curious to see the animation that was being greenlit from 95 until Toy Story comes out, how many of the traditional it were. And then how much of the shift. happen from like 95 to 99.

Because now we don't see 2D animation. It's weird. You go, one of those. Yeah. Or they show up Klaus and you're like, oh, beautiful. Or they show up on streaming. Right, right, right. Which is mostly where they land.

You don't see a lot of them theatrically released. Is it the Princess and the Frog, the last traditionally animated Disney film? Is that right? That was a while back. Theatricly released. Yeah, I think that they've done a ton of ones like on like Disney Plus. You're getting a lot of now if you're going to do anything like that. It's more of like a gimmicky thing.

So like Chippendale, which is amazing. So that's also, but that's also. You're blending all three. Yeah. And you're acknowledging it as about 100%. Live action, CGI and 2G. Yeah, it's part of the conversation.

I would count that one. I would say that more so. But Disney Plus is where something like that would land. But it changed the game. Yeah. And then I can even imagine, as I say, those numbers and the distribution. Is it doubles between one and two? The budget.

But I can't imagine how after two made the money that it made, how even more studios were like, whatever you got as far as it started. Like I literally think people saw it and they're like, oh, no, we're going to start a studio. We're going to start a CGI. Because you remember the 2000s was like so CGI heavy, good and bad. That was a lot of really rough. We're trying to be Toy Story takes. Because one of the things that also gets confusing now, since everybody does this, like Encanto, for example, is not Pixar, but it is CGI. Pixar looking.

Yeah. So here's some of the ones, by the way. So this is in 2000. So this is 2001. which was two years after this movie, right? Spirited Away, which was traditional. Shrek, which was not, Monsters, Inc. Atlantis, the Lost Empire, which was, Osmosis Jones,

Monkeybone, waking life, Jimmy Neutron Boy Genius. I don't remember which one else. Jimmy Neutron wouldn't be just because they were using C. That was a CGI. That was C.G. Okay. So let's see. We'll do 2002, see if they change.

Lilo and Stitch was traditional. So that was probably the last. Princess and the Bronx. Ice Age. That's a big, that was a big new one. Treasure Planet was traditional. With CGIE backgrounds, though.

Treasure Planet started using. Remember it was like the 3D background, 2D, hand drawn over it? Stuart Little 2, Peter Pan 2, Wildthorneberry. Stuart Little 2, CGI. But it starts to, you see the shift. Yeah, you're feeling it.

In 2003, Finding Nema, Brother Bear was traditional. Ludenton's back in action. Sinbad, the triplets, Jungle Book 2. It's a weird year. It was a weird year, but it starts. And then, 2004 is really, starts moving.

The incredible, because remember, it takes about three years to make these movies. Right. So that pans out, right? The Incredibles,

uh, Shrek 2, Shark Tale, Polar Express makes a big swing. Yeah, these are more CGI. Yeah, this is the first year

that's more CGI than traditional. So it starts. So, so it's, from you look at what happens from, it takes, so it takes really, roughly about a decade

from the start of Toy Story 1. I think people were hedging their bets till 2 came out. I think, you know what? Yeah, it was also, but it was also,

Let's see, yeah, maybe you're right. Like the other studios are gone. You're like, this could have been a fluke. Flash in the pan type. Yeah. And then you see a Bug's Life and you're like, okay, I'm listening. And then to Toy Story 2. Sky Rock.

That's it. And everybody starts making the phone. Bug's life was 97. I want to say. And then 99 is, you know, we're doubling down. You make twice your budget on twice your budget. Yes. It costs more, but then you double that.

And they're like, okay. So this might be. And you can see the cigar chompers, you know, all right. It looks like this is the way it's going to be going now. Kids, scrap all the other stuff by 2004. I want everything in the can that's traditional, put it all digital. Yep. Well, and what's funny is how one set of projects, one studio can really set that curve.

Money, man, money talks. Because Marvel did the same thing. Yeah, look at 2008. I started with Iron Man and everybody's like, all right, whatever. But you get to Avengers at that point. And now all of a sudden people like, oh, snap. 10 years ago. We got to connect these.

2012. Yeah. 2012 changed everything. And now we're in a multiversal phase where like everything's got a multiversal tangent. Which is funny because multiverse has been kind of happening for a lot of different. The problem is now, even hearing myself, because you guys know from talking with me for a while, I've always been interested in multiverse, but now when I talk about multiverse, I'm like, I have to like, and there's nothing against it, but I always have to say it's not like Marvel

multiverse, because it's like, because it's so vast, everyone thinks about multiverse, they think of Marvel now. Right. And it's like multiverse was around way more Marvel guys. It's very funny because it feels like, I liked this band before they were cool. Like people that take the sound and you're like, no, but the original. That's exactly what it is. Well, it's funny because you remember the air.

Arrowverse and like the CW. They tried to beat the curb because they knew this was coming from, uh, from Spider-Man the animated series teamed up with X-Men in 93. You had that. I mean, you had so many different stuff that different, but you see they tried to do that where they were like,

quick, get Kevin Conroy to be old Batman and get, you know, Brandon Roth did like, we know he's playing the Adam, but have him play a version of Superman. Just get everybody to come in and like do their thing. Right. And it's just that everybody is trying to be that person that creates the new animation style,

that creates the new superhero genre, that creates the whatever, you're trying to find that thing that'll hook. And Pixar had it for a long run. And even if you're not trying to create it, you're trying to do, I mean, look at,

I always bring up like TiVo. Nobody talks about TiVo anymore. TiVo is huge for like eight years. TiVo, when I had a TiVo. And TiVo, I remember saying to people, they're like,

what's TiVo? I go, I can pause my television. And it's shocking. And they're like, what? I'm like, yeah,

I can just pause my television. And then you could record your television. That was insane. And it's not, and it's no tape. And what happened was everybody stole their technology. Yeah. And now it's just what you have on your TV.

It just comes with it. Yeah. That's the same type of thing with animation or anything where they go, okay, look, well, they did that. How do we do it and make a benefit for us? And that's what DreamWorks did. Like, let's get rid of the clearly Pixar's gone to something. Yeah. So let's stay away from the traditional because Trek would have been a regular animated film.

It had it not been for Toy Story. It probably would have just been the regular animated and probably still would have been fun. Sure. There was something else about it that was just, it allowed people to now experiment with this technology. And I remember being a kid and all this was so mind-blowing. Like seeing 3D animation,

we talked to last week about the, you know, 95 being this is something I've never seen before. I remember 99, I'm 11 and I'm thinking like what they're able to do with camera movements. And like, I don't understand the language of film yet, but I'm like, this feels so big and this feels like we can do so much and there's so much more excitement

and that's like the evolution of these movies and rewatching them all back to back it's insane how photorealistic three gets. Yeah, and so the directors of, there's three directors of this movie as there was only one in the first one. There's three directors in this movie.

The directors are both John Lasseter, Ash Brannon, and Lee Unkwich where I think it was just, maybe I was wrong, but I thought it was just Lasseter for the first one. So the cast, so the castor, alone you got tom hanks tim allen jones jack comes in as jesse kelsey grammar comes in as the prospector um that's thinky pete right yep uh don rickles is mr ptoheadhead jim varney the late grade jim varns the late great jim bernie is gone yeah i think he passed away i think he passed between two and three

because i noticed i was like slink sounds a lot weirder and i wondered why they cut so many of his lines from when in this one in four well yeah he died between two and three yeah he wasn't even in three he passed in two thousand years old holy crap. Yeah, he died young, man. Ernest, man. Yeah. So, yeah, so then we get... I want Pete Davidson to play him in like a biopic.

I'd love to see, like, an Ernie biopic. Like, the making of all the Ernest movies and have, like... He can't play Jim Varney? He's got that, like... Dude, he can't... It's too big. Pete Davidson is about as East Coast. He's about as East Coast as you get.

He's gonna play a Southern guy. I was just thinking like he's got that, like, I don't know, like a line cook energy. I always thought... Like Jim Barney's got a line cook energy. Yeah, it's true. Jim, Jim Varney was a tall dude, I think, though, too. Yeah, that's less about it and more about the fact. It's just, hey, you know, I'm earnest.

Yeah, that's something like, I hear Pete Davidson, like, there's energy there. But that's not earnest. It's like, hey, everybody. Oh, that's not a Kentucky drawl. Yeah, I mean, what kind of earnest? Hey, guys, you know, come over the shadow. A bark, bark, bark, bark, bark. It's Christmas, guys.

Badcasting. Yeah, it's Christmas. I'll own this. I just want to see Jim Barney movie. I got my sneakers on here. Check it out. Judd Apatiel puts me in his movies. It's great.

That's right. You guys see my girlfriend? You've got to see my girlfriend. Pretty hot. Always. Always. Always hot. All right. So it's like, have you seen my last 14 girls? Dude. I got a lot of tattoos. Someone who is never missed. Dude, what a journey he's been on.

And he's authentically funny. And I'm proud of myself because I had a joke, but I'm going to save it because of the toy story thing. Okay. Oh. See self-control Winston and Colin. That's what it looks like. Annie Potts, Bo Peep, Wayne Knight is Al McWigan, Big Al. Lori Metcalfe, returning his, and he's mom.

So really a lot of the... Estelle Harris as Mrs. Potato Head is amazing. Great. And Arlie Ernie and Sarge is incredible. I don't see you, Still Harris. Right there at the, right under John Lewis. Oh, I see. I see. I see. Yes. Dude, that is, that is a great cast.

That is a great casting for her. And you're able, and look, and with the success of the first movie. Oh, we lost her this year. It was this year. Oh, wow. I didn't know that. Oh, dude. So all of the, but with the cast, with the success of the first and in Bugs life,

you can shell out a little bit more cash. Yeah. And because you know. at this point, and he probably had, because if it only took four years to release from the first, they probably started working on a sequel right away after those box office receipts came in for the first one. They were like, oh, let's, we've got these renders. Start working on two. And you, you know you can evolve, like it's the, uh, the Sheeulk issue is you've got the

compositions of Hulk and abomination. So making them look better is easier than inventing Shee Hulk. And Shee Hulk is more photorealistic because she's just a seven foot green. So our eyes, the uncanny, Allie's like, why is that just a really weird take on Tatiana Maslani versus Abominations? Like, that's not a thing I can find in nature. And it's got 10 years more composition. So I imagine opening weekend a toy story. They're like, okay, we've got these toys.

Let's keep developing them. Let's figure out who we're going to bring in. Let's get them looking as good as our OGs now. And then you just add those textures and layers and flavors make the story. I think the other thing that's so wild because we were talking about that, you partnered up with a lot of brands. You partnered up with like Mattel with Mr. Potatoe. Yeah.

And with Barbie and Ken at this point. Huge money. The fact that you can then throw a toy story, like, logo on the official Barbie from Toy Story, the official... If we roll these video games? I played every Toy Story video game. I was obsessed. They were great. They were great.

They were so good. But like the toys that were toys, like, it's another wave. Like, not only just adding the sticker, but it's also like you can invent brand new IP from these toys. Brilliant idea overall, going back to the first episode, the first movie is that even in the pitch, like, if this thing works, not only we just playing with the idea of toys in general. They start thinking like Lucas did back in, you know, because it's, you're playing in Toy. Look at Lightyear. It's the astronaut. Like, now we're going the other way.

Right. So it's crazy you can expand this. It's interesting. And, yeah, and, well, we have a lot to talk about with Lightyear because even Winston and I at one point, we're like, the only glitch. I can't wait to hear your thoughts on that. Well, yeah, and this isn't a spoiler. The only glitch with that, which it's a nitpicky glitch is that Sox steals the show. Oh, right?

That's not the nitpick. The nitpick is that if that was based on a movie, it's a movie. movie. Andy would have socks also. That's the one. That was the thing. Big glitch. He would have, he would have socks. He would probably, he would potentially want the rest of the range of the, but he, the one thing, the, maybe socks is too expensive. Like, this isn't really a 10 years.

Yeah, no, this isn't really a spoiler. Um, that there's two post credit teams. The one that Christian wanted and I think would have been great for a post credit, uh, would have been Andy telling his mom, I need to get that toy. And it's like, maybe for your birthday as like a little tease. Or something. Yeah. I love that. Connecting it.

Yeah, to something. But either way, so this one, it was what Toy Story 1, 2, and 3 did very well. And again, I like Toy Story 4, but I just think that these did,

the reason why they are considered such great movies and people didn't want to afford it because three were done so well is because it is hard to do what each one of these movies did. The first one set you up in a very familiar place with your toys and takes you back to being a kid. Or if you're seeing it as a kid the first time, you're thinking about all your toys, and they throw a nice little emotional thing.

Same thing about wanting to belong. And then two and three play even more so inside the emotions. Yeah. And to be able to do that each time to make you care more about the same characters you've been with is not an easy thing to do. So they do this. And to grow without feeling like sequelitis. It didn't feel like it was big for the sake of big.

No. But at the same time, you're in a full toy barn and you're feeling like all those new characters felt organic. It seems that they had a story to tell. It didn't seem like they were just doing a sequel because the first. one made money. It's part of the reason. But it's not the reason. It's not the reason. And that's, and that a lot of times when sequels,

you can smell the fart in the elevator, you know, when they do that. A lot of that time, yes. A lot of times when they're like, okay, let's just do a sequel because we need some money for the studio. We know we're going to get some people in there. What's all? We'll do this. Throw it in there. Do that. Great. Let's do that. We don't need a plan. Let's go, go, go, go. That's not the case with this.

Lightyear is the fifth toy story movie. Jurassic World Dominion is the sixth. These are running side by side. One of them is consistent. Right. It's the truth. Well, they're both consistent. They're just consistent in a different... Consistent in a different...

Yeah, I'll take this over... We'll talk about it. But sticking to Toy Story 2, there's a lot of things specifically that I love about this that I think are really great. So you get... One, if you look throughout the series,

someone is always losing an arm. So Buzz lost his trying to fly in the first one. And this one, Woody ends up losing it. Stitched out. right. He loses it twice. Yeah, one's fully pulled

and one slow. Andy accidentally pops it. Yep. And then they, uh, and then it comes all the way off and they fix it. And then Pete trying to attack him does it. And then you got that cool moment with Andy,

making him look buff. It is sad though when the beginning there when he wants to take him to camp and he can't take him. Yeah. Oh, it's so sad. The emotions. I mean, ticks are so good at pulling out.

So apparently Toy's dream by the way. Bye Woody. Yeah. Wow. That, like, like mind warpy sequence. Yeah.

Oh, dude. Yeah. All of that. So it's, the movie is, and it does not get old. No. Like, it's amazing how, in 1999, you watch it 23 years later or whatever, and it's still, it still works, man. And like, and I mentioned to this, this last time for people who were tuning into this for the first time,

um, my four and a half year old at first wasn't, like, wasn't interested in Twister and was scared at one point, but then she read something in her book, then wanted to watch all four of them. Yeah. Just blazed through them and she, share her favorite is Jesse. She loves Jesse the most. And that's also who her story was the story was about. But yeah, it's just, it's amazing how it just resonates with everybody. It's pretty wild, man.

The little things that they did knowing what we're diving into. So 99, you're about to get into the golden age of video games. Like, honestly, you're about to get, because you already, it's about to start. PS2, 2001. So you, you're in the middle of N64, regular PlayStation, all that kind of stuff. You open it up with a buzz video game. You think it's like Buzz doing a mission.

Yeah. And you're, you get deep down because he is. Oh, right the beginning right now. Yeah. The character that we genuinely, I mean,

people love Woody. They love all the toys. But Buzz is the toy that everybody is obsessed with. So you're like, oh my God, he's fighting. He's like, wait,

Buzz died. Yeah. And then you realize it's Rex playing a video game. Yeah. Absolutely hilarious. And now it's funny, though, too, how,

because if you watch this movie after you watch Lightyear, that how much different that opening scene plays now. Yeah. Because they really, are adapting a story. Don't, don't, don't, I don't want to, I don't spoil anything. But, yeah, but still, but it is, and it's a very clever way to do it overall. And I think that that's what this, even for, which, which again, I like for a lot.

I think each one is kind of, they keep it clever in what Pixar does well, and especially in the Toy Story series, is that they make it watchable for children and they give you the humor that you can watch it as an adult. So if you watched it as a kid growing up, and remember a lot of the things, as you said last week, Winston, where there's now things that didn't play that you didn't pick up on when you were younger, that play even better now as an adult. Oh, dude, like, like, I think I mentioned it, but Buzz, when they realize the dog needs to go out and Jesse does the same thing Buzz did earlier to open the door. Yeah. And so then Buzz, oh, yeah. Just like, you know, little things like that.

I also love that the dog in this one, like you assume he's going to be the enemy at the end of the first film and instead he becomes his best. Yeah. And I also love that the animation improved so much the dog look like a dog. Because the dog in the first home is nightmare field. And they set that, yeah, it's true.

But they set that up though really well even too. Like even where they let you know really fast that he's a friend where Woody, would he pretends. Immediately belly and like it's so cute. It's the same bait and switch

as the light year thing, but on Woody scale. Right, right. It's the same like what's going to happen. Oh right. They're friends. I love it. This movie's great.

It's really good. And I do you still stand? Last week you said two's your favorite. I will be changing my rankings by the time we finish. But it's still, it's still, up there. I'm excited to rank them at the end

like we've been doing. Are we going to put Lightyear in there? Yeah. We are? Should we? We should do it on Lightyear episode and put it in there. I still know if Lightyear is part of the Toy Story films though. If I'm ranking between one and two right now, it goes to one. How about that? Okay. Yeah, we can do that while we're here. I'm still one, two for now. I mean, we can do, when we finish the whole thing,

we can do it, we'll rank them two ways. We'll rank them as far as the Toy Story goes, then we'll rank them as far as, because it's a spinoff movie. It's not right. This is the Lightyear's not a Toy Story movie. But when you look at like the MCU, we rank them all. And like, Ant Man barely correlates to guardians. You got a lot of, but they're not spinoffs. They're all directly connected in a real story.

But I'm going to stop, I'm going to stop giving in to you also too, because as I saw, when we talked about Tropic Thunder and everyone was like, Tropic Thunder is not a, not a Tom Cruise movie. And I, and when I was saying, I was like, because I, I, the comments were not thrilled about Tropic Thunder being Tom Cruise movie. I backed off on that one with you, but I was like, I think it's the comic mentality. Because like in a comic book, if a character shows up one frame, You're like, Spider-Man's at the issue. You got to own it.

It's that mentality. Tom Cruise in the movie. I got it. It's Tom Cruise movie. Oh, there he is. We're going to wrap it out with this guy. We're going to close it out with it. Come here, dude.

Dude, come here. Come here. Come here. Come here. Dude, come here. Hey, dude. I got him. I got him.

Get over here. Come here. I'm going to pick him up. Okay. Come here, buddy. Come here. Come here. It's a little goofy ass.

Dude, come here. Come here, you little rat. Hey, your dad's calling. Dude. Here, here. Look at that bundle of wiggle. Oh, Wiggle Joy that right now. This dog, this dog is the enemy of every toy in that.

There is not a toy. We have a toy, like it's a puppet that is, we call Puff, it's a dragon. This dog goes out of his way to go into that toy thing and rip this dog, rip this puppet. The chaos energy of this dog is amazing. I mean, he's almost a year old. Oh, that's crazy. Amazing. He's going to be a year old.

We've been doing the show a long time. You see you just go. Hey, got to move. Bro. Yeah, look on him. Oh, look at that face. Dude. All right.

So look, we're going to end the show that way. The dude comes in, causes chaos. Hi, buddy. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining us here on the big thing for the Toy Story to rewatch. As I mentioned to you earlier, the way we're going to do it. Dude, you want to tell them? No?

The way we're going to do it is Toy Story 2 will be, is today. Toy Story 3 and 4 will be next Friday. Lightyear, spoiler will be a week from Monday. And then we're going to do the Jurassic World Spoiler Talk this Monday coming up. So there's a lot of stuff that we're doing, but we're recording a lot of it today. So we're wearing the same outfits. We're not going to pretend and give you guys, oh, we're going to change outfits. I don't want anything to do with that.

The one that lives here. Yeah. That's exactly right. I'm not moving. I might put a switch on that. That's fine. So anyway, listen, thank you for joining us on the show. Thank you to Winston and Coy.

As I said, Monday, we'll be doing the spoiler review of Jurassic. Oh, whatever the hell that crap piece is called. We'll be talking about that. And then if you did not watch yesterday's big thing with Roxy and Brett, if you want to laugh, you should. because Brett was on a whole other level. He was throwing bombs. Thank you to Storyblocks.

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