The Kristian Harloff Show - Rian Johnson Says His Star Wars Trilogy is Still Happening? - The Sith Council

Episode Date: August 31, 2022

Rian Johnson has been having a ton of interviews lately. One of the main points coming out of one particular interview was that the Last Jedi director said that his supposed trilogy is still happening.... He mentions conversations with Kathleen Kennedy and Lucasfilm still ongoing and wants to return. Is this a good or bad move for Lucasfilm? We talk about if the Damon Lindelof Star Wars project is even more possible now? How badly is the classic music missed? Will Star Wars show up on Earth? This and more with Kristian Harloff and Steph Sabraw! #rianjohnson #starwars #themandalorian #D23 AMAZON WISHLIST https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/1KPH42T0TP0PG?type=wishlist SUPPORT US ON PATREON:https://www.patreon.com/TheBigThingShow Ask Kristian questions for next time! https://facebook.com/harloff Become a Patreon of the Schmoedown: http://patreon.com/schmoedown OTHER GREAT CONTENT: REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT368qY7sfE0nKE4c04CqGvu TV REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT1LU-t2Z9AD5UJDiWW4pS_E STAR WARS SHOW https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT0XmfpbblkF9PY7uO2qhbN6 THE BIG THING PODCAST https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT3KAwbzDsv6mdR-gwUiydQg - CM Punk Interview: https://youtu.be/R8Js8uj6GfE FOLLOW KRISTIAN + FIND HIM ON CAMEO https://cameo.com/kristianharloff https://twitter.com/kristianharloff https://facebook.com/harloff https://instagram.com/kristianharloff Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hello everybody, Christian Harloff here from The Big Thing, from the Christian Harlov channel, from Sith Council. Guess what we're going to do? The Big Thing Patreon officially launches on September 1st. Now here's what membership is going to get you. You're going to get exclusive episodes of The Big Thing, Sith Council, the rewatch series, plus weekly editions of SEM live, Brett and Kate's playdate, playdate, and much more. So you can sign up now at patreon.com slash shmodown and drop a comment and tell me What perks you want to see as we grow the community. So check out the big thing weekdays on Spotify, Apple, anywhere. Podcasts are found.
Starting point is 00:00:38 We appreciate it. We'll see you next time. What's going on, everybody? Welcome back at Sith Council. We are not too far away from a lot of different things going on in Star Wars. Obviously, D-23 is next week. So we're going to have a lot to talk about next week and the following, as we're sure to get some announcements from Lucasfilm, obviously. So we'll talk about that.
Starting point is 00:00:58 Ryan Johnson's out there saying that that trilogy, he's still going to happen and he wants to do it. I don't know, man. I'll talk about that as well. And then obviously, Andor is right around the corner. We take questions from all of you guys. So we're excited about that. It's me and Steph.
Starting point is 00:01:10 Mike will be back. We're thinking next week. He's funny. He wasn't feeling too good, but he's coming back. And we're excited about that. And that's kind of one of the reasons why he's not going to be at the Schmodeown Spectacular 7, which is going to be the last Schmodown event ever. And that is on October 1st.
Starting point is 00:01:27 and it's going to be on the movie trivia Shmodan Archives channel. So if you're not subscribed to that, please go over there and do it. You'll see a lot of the matches that are going on. So we're excited for you to join us. And by the way, if you haven't already subscribed or followed us on Spotify, please do that. Very helpful. Numbers have been growing on audio tremendously. Same on Apple Podcasts.
Starting point is 00:01:50 Head on over to the Big Things Clips channel. Because not all the time can you guys watch the full show and I understand that or listen to the full show. We get it. but you can go over to the clips channel and we have been clipping out the show i just had it i don't know if step knows this or not but i i just interviewed um adriana from the sopranos she was on the show last week which is on there right now you see you should see step's face she's very excited um so that's up on the clips out the clips channel has that lastly well we'll get into it i guess i'll talk about when we start the show but um step myself we are ready to go ladies and gentlemen it is
Starting point is 00:02:22 Sith Council. I'm ready for it. You're ready for it. Let's do it. What's going on? Everybody, welcome back. Sith Council. And I am joined by Steph Sub-Step. How you like in the new setup? It's sick. It's better, right? It's something great in here. Real nice. See, we get the wide shot now. Look at this. I'm really, it's, and now we don't have the deal. We both said as we started out for people, for the audio listeners, what used to, you couldn't stand it. The stream yard setup where you have like the three shot. Yeah. And we'd be in studio and people were like, oh, why don't you guys do a studio show? We're in studio. Yeah. So now we're back here now and we're doing the show. And so I don't know.
Starting point is 00:03:12 So Brett helped me do a lot of this stuff, you know, setting up and we got rid of that table. We got rid of everything to make it look a little better. And then we said, we really got to build this thing out and we really want to build it out more. And what we decided to do is we announced on Monday that we put like an Amazon wish list out there, right? but we said if nobody you know donates to the show or contributes to the show or whatever it's fine it's just a list of things that we
Starting point is 00:03:38 eventually want to get and if we want to help it out help us out for sure and Brett and I like yeah maybe somebody get us like cords or something I am blown away by what people got us people like especially this I have to shout out this one dude that's sick it's insane it was insane and by the way if you do a donation by the way
Starting point is 00:03:57 please please put a note in so I and thank you on the show. So Nathan is the guy who, this guy, I told him to stop because he started getting so much. He bought so much for us. And I was like, he, so Nathan got us the TV stand, the TV, the floodlights and the freaking LED lights.
Starting point is 00:04:17 Damn. Good, I needed the lights. We're going to get much better lights in here. You need to be better lit. You're going to get much better lit in here. And Nathan Ovendale is the reason why. First rate Nate. First rate Nate.
Starting point is 00:04:29 And we're going to call him the first. rate Nate Lights. Yes. I mean, and there are other people, by the way, too, that donated. And I want to thank them once they put their card. We haven't gotten a lot of the stuff yet. But look, this is all that's left now. And we have it on the list.
Starting point is 00:04:45 We're excited that people. So there's two out of the four headphones are gone. There's a cam link, a coffee machine, and a table lamp. And that was it. And all the stuff that we need to make the studio better. It's on there now. So like I said, the link's in there. If you want to, if you want to donate, you can.
Starting point is 00:04:59 But if not, like I said, There were other things like panels and posters that weren't allowed to be gifts or something. So we're just putting, Brett and I already. Like my thing is I don't know yet. And as I told you as we started, it's scary and fun that I'm going out of my own for the first time since like I left Collider. I was on my own for like two months before I signed up with Skybound. And then I got the job and the health benefits and the salary and all that. And now it's like, okay, I told you as we were starting.
Starting point is 00:05:26 I don't know yet what this channel will bring in. I want to keep everybody and I am keeping everybody. And it looks like, you know, we should be doing, we should, I'm excited about it. But it's like, we also have to be conservative. And I'm like, okay, so here's what I want to spend on my life. Like, don't spend everything on the studio right away. I'm like, I know, I know. Because I did that as we were, as I was leaving.
Starting point is 00:05:45 I went into debt with all the cameras and everything. Yeah, cameras are, it's so expensive to have like a nice studio. But you want to give the, you want to give the audience the quality is the thing. Because the thing is, oh, why don't you just, you know, do it like someone's, so at someone had said. well, it's not just about making the studio. It's about the quality of the show. And I'm like, well, yeah, that's the most important thing. And I hope that that's what we do on the show.
Starting point is 00:06:07 But like that, but I want to, I think you can, you do both. So that's why we were able to do that. So for everybody who, who donated, please, if you didn't put a card, let me know that you sent it because I want to be able to give you a shout out. And then also if you do, if anybody does get anything on that Amazon list, please put a card because I can't. I'm very humbled for everybody who, who did that. Um, okay, so we got a lot to talk about, man.
Starting point is 00:06:31 A lot going on. Let's, uh, let's start where the hell is it? I think I have the stories, the news. I don't even remember. No, that's not it. Um, hold on a second. All right. That's it.
Starting point is 00:06:45 And I will get it in just a moment. That's the other thing somewhat so there was a, like a, the stream deck finally. Oh, Roxy's here apparently. Yeah. Nice. Rocks. There it is. Okay.
Starting point is 00:06:55 So, Ryan Johnson. He's doing a, he's doing a tour. And so here's the, let's see what he's got. What is he saying? Ryan Johnson says, trilogy is not dead, and the director would be heartbroken if done with Star Wars.
Starting point is 00:07:12 So on November 10th, isn't it much better, you can see the screen now? Yeah. It will be the five-year anniversary of the official announcement that Star Wars The Last Jedi writer, director of Ryan Johnson,
Starting point is 00:07:21 would be creating a new film trilogy set in the galaxy far, far away. As a point of reference, that was also the day that Bob Iger announced a Star Wars live action series for Disney Plus, which is what we now,
Starting point is 00:07:31 no is the Mandalorian. While that show has now completed production on its third season and it's filming its second spin-off, there has been almost nothing but silence about Johnson's announced trilogy. The filmmaker has now given some formative update shortly after it was reported that, this is by Miguel Fernandez, by the way, this article, it was reported that Damon Lindelof has been regularly visiting the Disney lot for lunch, supposedly to discuss his Star Wars films.
Starting point is 00:07:55 Empire Magazine published a new interview with Ryan Johnson where he confirms he's been talking to Kathleen Kennedy since the last Jedi came out. out and this is what he said. Excuse me. I've stayed close to Kathleen Kennedy and we get together often and talk about it. It's just at a point of a matter of schedule and when it can happen. It would break my heart if it were finished. I couldn't get back in that sandbox at some point.
Starting point is 00:08:19 Since this Last Jedi came out, Johnson has become one of the most successful writer-directors in Hollywood since the summer of 2018. He wrote the script for a murder mystery that was inspired by his love of Agatha Christie's novels and apparently the backlash he received from The Last Jedi. he and his producing partner, Ramberg, and quickly signed Daniel Craig to star after Bond 25 sauce from production troubles and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 00:08:39 The first of these knives out, we'll be out later. Okay, so if Johnson were to come back to the Star Wars Galaxy, but not until the end of 2024. All right, so there's a lot to kind of unpack here. So I believe that he wants to do it. I believe that those conversations are happening. I still think that for him, of course, he wants to do it for a lot of different reasons.
Starting point is 00:09:00 One, he legit does love Star Wars. I mean, he does, whatever you think about his movies or not. He does when you hear him talk about it. And I think he wants to return. And let's also call it what is. He doesn't want to lose that payday. It's a big payday. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:09:12 Why would you want to lose? Of course you want to do Star Wars. A trilogy, it's a lot of money coming into your bank account for a long time. So he'd be, of course he wants to do it. I don't think it's a smart move. Not one written and directed by him right now. I don't think it's a smart move. I mean, maybe that's why they're waiting.
Starting point is 00:09:28 They're thinking that in time wounds will heal. But I don't think so, man. I think that for me, I still think that what you do if you want to get him back in the phrase is you have him do what he did for Breaking Bad and you have him direct an episode of one of the television shows. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:45 So what do you think? I feel like he would slaughter that. I would love to see him direct an episode. I think that I think he's playing the political game right. You know, like he's saying what he should say. He's talking, he's cool with Kathleen. he wants to do Star Wars I don't think any of it's actually
Starting point is 00:10:01 No nothing no because they still don't know what they're doing No I think he's just being like cool Why we like Ryan Johnson he's no drama And he's just cool and everyone wants to work with him for a reason Yeah and he's well he said that he said those things inside of the interview right He's like I and he talked what I respected a lot was he when he first started looking at the comments Because he had when he was on Twitter he had before last jihad had never seen like a lot of hate before And when he did, he did, it made him feel terrible, right?
Starting point is 00:10:30 But then he had to learn how to live with it after that Shedda, but he also knew there's a lot of people out there who dug it. And there certainly are. But he, I do, as a filmmaker, I actually like him very much, whether it's brick, looper, and I like knives out. And I think, and I'm looking forward to the sequel. I just don't think Star Wars needs that type of fire right now. You know, like that, and not the good fire.
Starting point is 00:10:55 Yeah, I think if he did. what they're doing with Taika right now, which is, or what they were projected to do with Tyca, which is say, like, you can pick basically what story you want to tell that's outside of anything we've seen. That would be cool for Ryan Johnson, like something like that's not interconnected
Starting point is 00:11:12 in a story that's already being told. Yeah, but even, but that's, yes. He's not my number one choice. No, no, I know. I know what you're saying. Rather do like a spin-off than just a whole sequel, full movies that you've got to lock into for a bunch of, and I get that. But it's the same thing I say,
Starting point is 00:11:27 said to you though about Tyca. And my issue is, right now, Star Wars does not have a solid film division. They just don't. And they don't have like the next movie that they lead with, it's got to be a hit and it's got to be something that
Starting point is 00:11:43 the fans, and not just a money hit. A hit that like people love the way that Mandalorian season one was, right? Like that's the type of thing that they need for their movies. And if they don't, and they put some Tycoa Wati comedy out, it's like no. And then Ryan Johnson,
Starting point is 00:11:57 comes to do something that's out of left field. It doesn't feel like Star Wars or something. People are going to go up. There you go again. Screw this. We're out. Let's just stay on Disney Plus or just go stick to Marvel in D.C. Right.
Starting point is 00:12:08 They got a hit. And that's why I thought like that Beniof and Weiss idea of the formation of the Jedi and the Sith and going so far back in a time that it's like you can create what you want to create. You have the Jedi. You have the Sith. You have all these things. You don't have to go Wackadoo Central in order to. people try to do too much in Star Wars sometimes.
Starting point is 00:12:30 Yeah, I know it's kind of like the curse of, I like the new generation we're in where we, you know, like a lot of us like we'll watch a movie now, not based on the stars, but based on who's directing it. And there's like a lot of clout with directors and I like that.
Starting point is 00:12:46 Like I like, because it takes so much talent and work. But what I don't love with Star Wars and I think we agree on is like the idea that because you're a hot director right now, you just take a whack at Star Wars when it's like it's a completely different entity. If you're a great director who does fit in with Star Wars, hell yeah. If you're a great director who's like, let me just try Star Wars.
Starting point is 00:13:10 That's a little bit, I don't know, that's just for clout purposes. And to me, that's losing sight of Star Wars. Yeah, and it always comes back to that same thing that everybody always says on the press. Of course, I love Star Wars. It was the thing that made me a, when you listen to who's really kind of dives deep. And I think that like, I don't have to say that. Right, but why not give a movie at this point, if you're going to give a movie to somebody,
Starting point is 00:13:31 give somebody who's proven inside the lore, give a movie to Bryce Dallas Howard. Right, she clearly knows the lore pretty well. I mean, I know she's doing, I think she's doing Asoka or something. She's doing something again inside of the series, and she's done TV. But, you know, I would much rather see her do a movie than Tyca right now, the Star Wars movie. And people are, oh, you just want to write Tyke off because he had one silly comedy movie.
Starting point is 00:13:53 No, I just don't want to see him to Star Wars. I want to see all of Tycoa What's He's movies. And that's the thing that I say. I love Tyka with Tidi. I'm not like a, I didn't like Thor, so I don't like Tyka. That's stupid. Yeah. It's like, it's like, I just didn't like that movie.
Starting point is 00:14:05 And it makes me nervous that he, he's a comedy, heavy, driven dude. And he's hilarious. I've had an opportunity to talk to him like three times. And every time you talk to him, he's just naturally funny. I was just having a conversation with Ellis the other day about Brett, right? Like, Brett's naturally just funny. Like when Brett's sad, he's funny. When Brett's angry, he's funny, right?
Starting point is 00:14:24 And there are not a lot of people like that can do that. And Tyca's that way. I mean, I don't know him all the way through that I can tell him when he's totally mad and angry the way. I know Brett. But still, he seems like that type of guy. So comedy is his thing. I just don't want to see it, you know, in Star Wars right now. I think that maybe down the line or in a separate episode.
Starting point is 00:14:45 Yeah. Yeah. I'm for Tyka, but I hear you. I do think that like this is all in the same conversation with Ryan Johnson. Yes. Give it time. Yeah. Give it time.
Starting point is 00:14:54 I think that's the main thing. We do have a lot of questions from you guys, by the way, that we're going to get to in a little bit. But I also, so this is something else, too, as Miguel mentioned in his report there about, where is it? Oops. I'm still getting all these things down here.
Starting point is 00:15:14 That's you again. There it is. David and Lindelof, he has been regularly spotted on the Disney lot, reignite speculation about the reported Star Wars project. Remember, we talked to Jeff Snyder about this, because I think Snyder was the one who, yeah,
Starting point is 00:15:27 who broke it. There it is. Okay. So back in March of this year, it was reported that writer Damon Lindelof, whose credits include the likes of loss, Prometheus, leftovers, and watchmen, was potentially working on an unannounced Star Wars movie with Lucasfilm. More recently, a possible update to that rumor has surfaced indicating that he has been working with Disney and possibly Lucasfilm since then. Trusted film reporter, Jeff Snyder, revisited his prior report about Damon Lindelof, taking a trip far far away, and this is but he originally posted, I'm hearing that Damon Lindelof is working on New Star Wars movie. Now, he said that back in the end of this is, this is recently update.
Starting point is 00:16:04 Remember that Damon Lindelof's Star Wars scoop I broke in March? Well, Lindelof has been spotted dining on the lot quite a bit lately, and I doubt he's working on his Peacock series up there. When will the trades confirm it? Stay tuned and subscribe to Mr. Jeff Snyder, former movie Tribby Shmode on two-time, team champion. I believe three times, teams champion. Is that true?
Starting point is 00:16:27 think so. Talking to myself here, stuff. Anyway, so there's a lot, there's a lot about the movies. Here, we can go into this. The future is unclear for Star Wars films. Fans have expected Lucasfilm to reveal news about their live action projects at Disney's D-23 in the middle of the next month, although there is no word if they'll be presenting updates to their film slate.
Starting point is 00:16:47 A film project indicated to be furthest in development is Tycho, Autiti Star Wars project that he set to direct and co-write, as the movie is expected to begin filming early next year. Marvel Studios president Kevin Feigy is to produce a Star Wars Spinoff. I totally forgot about that by the way. I totally forgot about a Kevin Feigy produced Star Wars movie. It was such a major story. We pushed that so far.
Starting point is 00:17:08 I totally forgot about it. And it's written by Michael Waldron, who has previously worked on with Loki and Dr. Strange and other proposed films have run into Snags. Rogue Squadron was supposed to be 2023, but the project is not likely to make that release date. Yeah, no S. Other questions,
Starting point is 00:17:25 Ryan Johnson, Game of Thrones. They were supposed to have that, depending on why. So it's just, it's basically just saying it's in, it's still kind of in shambles at the moment. So D23 is coming up next week.
Starting point is 00:17:39 And there is definitely, so it's two hour panel. And it's, just our, no, no, it's two hour panel. It's,
Starting point is 00:17:46 it's, they're sharing with both 20th century, which is now part of Disney. So Avatar, most likely. So that, Avatar will probably dominate the Fox or, 20th century side of it.
Starting point is 00:17:58 They've got to. They have to. They have to. And it's going to be and it's and it's probably show more footage, bigger trailer, full trailer. Yeah, you probably have a 15, 15 minutes or so for sure on Avatar, if not more. Um, more of the cast and everything too. And then, and then one other thing from 20th century maybe, but avatar will probably be the, the majority of it. And then Lucasfilm will go. And so let's say that the 20th century is half an hour, 40 minutes. Lucas film will probably get about 40, 40 minutes. as well, if I was to guess. And the major stuff, it's going to be the TV.
Starting point is 00:18:33 It's going to be the TV. And I think they're going to get Asoka cast. We're going to find out who's playing Ezra, maybe who's playing Thrawn. I think the majority of the cast, you're going to find out for sure. I think you're going to see the Asoka trailer again, whether or not they put it out to the public and not, we'll see. The Mandalorian, you definitely can get some more people again coming in for that. The cast, the trailer is going to probably be released to everybody.
Starting point is 00:18:56 publicly. The acolyte. You've got to get some cast out, some footage, some story points. Now that they've announced the Mandela for absolutely confirmed, they're probably bringing out some more cast confirmation, maybe some more stuff on skeleton crew. So right there, that could be your whole panel. Yeah. Now the question is, do they do you think, let me ask you, do you think they touch movies at all? I don't think so. I think if they're going to do it, they're going to do it in London for the next Star Wars celebration. Just because D23 is, I would guess that they're incentivizing Disney Plus shows and content right now because that's where they're getting all their money.
Starting point is 00:19:37 And I don't think they haven't figured out yet, really. Well, they're going to do more than just TV because, remember, in games. Well, no, they'll do movies. Movies still brings in probably more money than TV. Oh, yeah, yeah. They want to push their subscriptions. You're not wrong about that. for sure.
Starting point is 00:19:51 They, like, if that, but that's also really all Star Wars has going on right now. Like, Marvel will be, will be announcing a lot of their movies and talking about, they'll be talking about Disney Plus series also, but a lot of their movies. But yeah, Lucasfilm, the reason that I say, I just, I don't know if you do, because we've just been burned too many times by that, guess what movies come in? Oh, no, it's not happening. Guess what's coming? Just kidding.
Starting point is 00:20:16 You know what's happening now? They left. It's like, don't do it. Unless you say Flonini and Favro are doing a movie, that's how you can get people to get excited because you know that they're going to make it happen. It's going to go through with them because they're there. Phelonis part of the company, it'll happen.
Starting point is 00:20:32 So that would be a different thing. But to get excitement for it, and it really depends on what the movie is, because what could be a real turd in that room is if they go, okay, guys, so you know, here he is, Tyco Watiti, and Tyca comes out, and he's like, hey, everybody, makes everybody laugh, and he does everything, it's like,
Starting point is 00:20:49 and here's my movie, it's called, called, you know, whatever it is, fly Boy Central or whatever. And it's like, well, you've got this character and he's this. And he's like, like, that kind of, that's the story. Because, and I, and it's tough because you also don't want, like there's another question I probably just answer right now that someone, Ryan Newsom asked, what Star Wars character do you want to see have their own show or a movie?
Starting point is 00:21:15 My answer is none of them anymore. Maybe Vader on like, you know, him and Palpatine doing like, like, a six-part series or something, but like I want to see new characters, I want to see new things, I want to see the lore, and I want to see old characters show up here and there, the way that they did with, like, Luke, but I want it to be, to follow the vein of Mandalorian. That to me is how you, you can sprinkle in old characters, whether they did in that, but this focus on the old characters is too much, too many expectations. Yeah, and I also think that a lot of their shows have been title shows on singular characters,
Starting point is 00:21:49 like Mandalorian, Boba, Obi-1. Asoka. Asoka. And that's cool for, it has a time and a place, but also we're living in the era of, like, Game of Thrones, now House of the Dragon type,
Starting point is 00:22:00 where we're like, let's get the ensemble. Like, I want, I want to be invested in 10 characters. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, absolutely. And that's why I still think that there's, I hope they take a page from Game of Thrones.
Starting point is 00:22:12 And I was on Campy's show yesterday. And one of the things that they brought up, there was a viewer that, I don't know, called in or wrote about the Star Wars, theme and how when is the next time we're going to hear the Star Wars theme right like you don't hear it anymore and they have like this weird stance on the John Williams music where it's like whether it's they talk to him and he was like I'll try to pull back on it a little bit and I love
Starting point is 00:22:32 John Williams and I know it's like blast for me to say anything to John Jones but I think that is a silly silly thing you need that music like oh oh to pull back yeah you need that music you need that he's just being humble I yeah but I mean this is a but you know I just think that it's like thank you John I appreciate you don't want but we have that music and we it's it's it's It's the same reason they put, did you watch the second episode of Game of Thrones? No, I'm going to. I heard it's great.
Starting point is 00:22:54 It's fantastic. But the beginning of the episode, they used a classic theme. Oh, yeah, I heard that. That's awesome. And so you instantly ignite. Instantly, you're back in Westrose. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:19 Thrones. It's like that and the same with Star Wars when the Star Wars theme plays and like there's little bits like I did I I couldn't stand the answer when they were asking about the Obi-Wan series and it's like well Vader's not that Vader yet so the dint as he's always been that Vader guys always and they used it in rebels and it worked really well. Oh I got I love that episode it worked really well and just like the very now he's mad so now he gets that theme it's like no yeah no if you study film at all like you You know that almost every movie, every movie has some sort of set, like, timeline or things, beats that they have to hit. Most are on, like, one normal arc where, like, in 10 minutes, you have an inciting incident.
Starting point is 00:24:02 Like, that's how it works. Because humans work off patterns and emotions and human psychology. So it's like, why wouldn't you tap into a song? Like, once you hear a song, you're instantly tapped in to the world. Yes. And it's one of those things where it's so. And I do believe. that the composers should have their own voices.
Starting point is 00:24:22 Look at Ludwig did for a Mandalorian, right? He brought in his own theme for, like, Dinn. Like, that should be his own theme because he's a new character. But even, like, when Luke shows up when he takes the, you hear the classic theme, right? I still think that they could have used it beforehand, but they were going, they didn't want to spoil a reveal. That was him until the hood, so I got it.
Starting point is 00:24:39 But, like, Obi-Wan, that show should have had so many more of the classic themes, like sprinkled throughout. Like, I mentioned this yesterday on John's show, but I also mentioned it here many times over. Kevin Smets and a bunch of other people who did those fan edits for the Obi-Wan series. When Obi-Wan catches Leia, they played the Force team. Like every one of them, they didn't collaborate with each other. Kevin Smets doesn't know the guy who did it.
Starting point is 00:25:00 They all instinctively put that Force theme, and it played so much better than the original. And there were some great stuff that the composer did for the show that worked really well. But I thought it's always this thing that's been a consistent theme for my shows recently, and it's balance. And there's no balance on the music at all. So I don't even know how the hell we got into that topic. I don't know, but it was... What I will say is I just think that Lucasfilm needs to be very careful
Starting point is 00:25:32 when announcing their movies unless it's like something that's already locked in. And Tyca's movie better be, if it's announced, better be something that's just so incredibly kick-ass. And you're like, okay, because what I want to do and what I hope to do is that if this movie does come out his movie next year that i'm going to look at you and go boy was i wrong like i i hope that that that's what i say and i never want to be like i told you so i when i'm when i'm not feeling about like a movie and i go into it and i love it that's one that's my favorite and i hope that i'm wrong about this one i know exactly what you mean because that's how i feel about house of the
Starting point is 00:26:11 dragon right now i like want to like the show i know so i'm like so excited because i hear that there's a lot of great things in the episode two. And so, and you have to give leeway to episode ones. Pilots are tough. Which is crazy, which I love. I know,
Starting point is 00:26:27 but yeah, but you didn't, you didn't dig it. I didn't dig the story that was being told, but it's a pilot and you're setting up 50 characters. Right. So I get it. But I,
Starting point is 00:26:36 so I hear you with the Taika thing. It's like, as a lover of Star Wars, we want to be proved wrong. Yes. We want to love it. Of course. Yeah,
Starting point is 00:26:43 we're not here to hate on it. Like, it's just a matter of like this right. Right now, we're in a little, bit of a disarray again, which the difference is that they've got some stuff that you can really, like the Mandalorian, people are going to be stoked for, Osoka, people are going to be stoked for, right? Like skeleton crew. After seeing the old man, so John Watts directed the first two
Starting point is 00:27:00 episodes of The Old Man, I can't wait to see what John Watts does with the skeleton crew. I'm extremely excited for that show. And Andor, I mean, come on. Andor right now is supposed to be like the most adult Star Wars. Oh, I can't wait for it. Oh, I can't wait. I cannot wait. I can't wait. Do you hear Diego Luna talking about Pedro Pascal? No, tell me. He was like gushing over him and they were like, would there ever be like a rival between you? And he's like, no, he's literally the nicest person ever.
Starting point is 00:27:28 I love that. That's great. That's so cute. All right, let's see. So that was that one. That was the, oh, Lindelof. We didn't even talk about Lindelof. So it was a whole story.
Starting point is 00:27:38 Yeah, I mean, so here's, I will get back to that. Let's go back to that then real quick. Lindelof, the thing is that usually when they start leaking stuff out and you start hearing things like right before a big convention, like look at this Fantastic Four stuff that's going on, right? Like the dude from you and Gossip Girl, whatever. What's his name? Do you remember his name? Ben Badgley or something like that? Isn't that his name and Gossip Girl?
Starting point is 00:28:03 Is that his real name? Yeah, it's Badgley. So he's being rumored heavily now for Fantastic Four, and it's a week before D-23. I would bet the form they're going to announce that guy at D23 that he's Reed Richards. Bet the form on it. Same thing with the director. Bet the farm they're going because when leaks come that close to it, it means a lot of people are talking about it.
Starting point is 00:28:23 It's that close. It's going to happen. So this might be the same thing. This might be the thing. Even though we're like, okay, be careful with the movies. So we do have some movie news. I'm going to be sitting in that room like this. Right?
Starting point is 00:28:36 Like, okay, what are you got? And they're going to announce Tyka. I'm going to go, eh, and then they're going to announce Damon. And then Lindelof, like, okay, is it going to be going to. happen we'll see um and i what i hope i hope that they do something if they announce movies i just hope that you're like oh wow they're going that route they're going a thousand years before they're going a thousand years after like in a different route take what the story is from the skywalkers and everything too tyka did say that that's what he was going to do so i'm i'm just interested at what time period that it would
Starting point is 00:29:03 happen yeah if at all which is so bizarre because i loved his episode of the mandolorean i really love You just have a bad taste in your mouth right now. I do. I just, I'm, it, it worries me that it's just going to be like, if I see that type of scene that I saw,
Starting point is 00:29:16 that Zeus scene, oh, it's so horrible. But I love Lindeloff. Lent, like leftovers and watchmen are some of the greatest, yeah, ever.
Starting point is 00:29:26 Yeah. And incredible storytelling. And I feel like he's not as known for, I don't know, like he's not inside of our business. In the business. Like everyone's like, Lindeloff.
Starting point is 00:29:36 Like everyone wants to work with him. But if you name. named him to like, he's not like, yeah, she wouldn't know. No. Even though she watched the leftovers and watchman. Right. She knows J.J. Abrams, but he doesn't know him. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:45 Which is weird. Yeah. Right. Right. Right. But he, I really would love to see what he did. I would too. I would too. I just like my, my nerves with him is not. Him. It's not him. It's just, will they announce him and then he decides he doesn't want to do it anymore because he doesn't. Creative differences. Right.
Starting point is 00:30:01 Yeah. And so that's, that's what, that's what makes me nervous on it. So it just, they just have a really bad track record with all of their films. All of their films, even the ones that got, like Rogue One is one of the most successful ones, and it had so many problems. So much. Anyway, all right, let's see if we go, I keep going to this, I got to really figure out what the hell, where I am on my, there it is.
Starting point is 00:30:22 Okay. So what's this now? I love her, by the way. She's from that pissbox, Morpheus. Oh, yeah, she is. Not Morpheus. What was it called? Morbius.
Starting point is 00:30:33 Morbius. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Morbius. Okay, so, well, I wish they would. have done that. She confirms her character will return for season two. Oh, that's weird. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:45 I mean, okay, great. So I guess she survived season two or season one. You know she's got to crap out by season two because where the hell is she in Rogue One? Yeah. And well, I'm not going to read that story because it's going to get spoiled. Oh, come on, Google. Get out of here. Let's see.
Starting point is 00:31:00 Any other big news? I think the major news that we saw here was Ryan Johnson. and what's what's fin doing john boyagon the last jeddice i met with travaro he said it was a great meeting with travaro i think that's the main stuff right bad batch update disney plus team confirms a bad batch still scheduled for september 28th oh really that's dumb oh i thought they were going to go oh that's dumb that was i thought it was a smart move is september 28th a wins
Starting point is 00:31:32 It's going to be It's going to debut Andrew's still going to be That's stupid It's going to still be going on I thought it was a smart move When they were going to move it Yeah it's a Wednesday
Starting point is 00:31:42 Yeah and then And then when Andor comes out on Wednesdays as well Doesn't it? Yeah that's dumb That's stupid Burying your show Yeah Disney has released a list
Starting point is 00:31:52 With all the content Arriving on Disney Plus in September Including four episodes of Andor Missing is the upcoming season two Of the Bad Batch Which the streamer Accidentally revealed earlier This summer would be airing
Starting point is 00:32:02 on the 28th. Neither Disney or nor Lucasholm announced this date on social media through press release. There is no cause for panic. However, as Disney Plus probably wanted more space between Andor and the Bad Batch, after they delayed the former a few weeks, I release date sometime in October or November is highly likely. Let's say, oh, here's the list of
Starting point is 00:32:18 current programs. It's number 28th of my... This is Andor. Second trailer for Bad Batch 2. I'm sure that's going to be a D23, right? Or Disney Plus day? Oh, here's any update. Hold on. It may have been a false and red flag after all. The official Disney Plus page is still listed in the Bad Bad Bad for September 28th.
Starting point is 00:32:36 And they said season will be on that date. I think that's one of the stupidest things I've heard. That's dumb. Yeah. That's really dumb. Yeah, that's weird. Yeah, it's like, why? So, that's everything.
Starting point is 00:32:49 Okay. So, all right, well, that's everything on there. So those are all the stories, the big stories. Ryan Johnson is, I think, to me, everybody's always going to be talking about that. And I still think for me, give him something, you know, like on TV. I think I'd be interested in seeing that. I know people, because the difference is with that one, that if you're watching a, if let's say it's episode,
Starting point is 00:33:15 let's say it's an episode of Mandalorian season four. And you're so invested in Mandalorian. You're going to tune out because Ryan Johnson's doing episode five? No, you're going to watch it and go, oh, I'm going to go in. And then if it's awesome, you know, all right, well, he did a pretty great job there, as opposed to if he has his own film, I'm not paying money to see that guy's movie again. Yeah, a whole movie.
Starting point is 00:33:36 So I don't know. I don't know. All right, let's get to some of these questions because we got a bunch of them. Let's start here. Jamie Powell, if you could have a remake of any Star Wars movie or show, which would it be? And why? All right, Steph, we'll start with you. I would have a remake of episode eight and then nine.
Starting point is 00:33:59 Okay. Because I loved what episode seven. set up and I feel like we could have been a different trilogy. It's not that I think episode eight is horrible, but I'm saying in the trilogy, I could have done with it. You would have connected more of what was set up from seven. And that's right. I think a lot of people choose that.
Starting point is 00:34:15 I'm actually going to choose episode seven. Not that I think Force Awakens is the best out of the three movies for sure. I just think that there's a lot that could have been set up in the way like, you know, when you look and using the Mandalorian as pretty much everything now, you look at the way Mandalorian set us up and brought us back in. That's the kind of feeling I wish would have brought us back to that trilogy where it felt like it was connected to the original trilogy. Not just memorabilia everywhere and all that types of stuff,
Starting point is 00:34:44 which again, I like the movie, but it was full of memorabilia and it wasn't a lot of, it relied on a lot of the stuff in the past and a lot of repeated stuff. And I said that when I saw it, I don't mind the fact that they did the Death Star type thing again and all that, but they repeated, they put, the new empire is again, it's like, we don't know what to do. So just put a new stormtroopers and knew this.
Starting point is 00:35:05 And it's like, just come up with like what they did for the Air to the Empire series when I came out of the book. It was a great way to continue it on and continue our adventures. And you get to see, now you probably would obviously at the time that it came out, you would have had to put the original three, the big three,
Starting point is 00:35:21 as older than they were in that book. But I would have had them together doing one more adventure and eventually gradually passing the torch. as opposed to these are your new characters and then our latest kind of in the background, Hans over there, he's dead now, and then Luke, you see him at the very end as opposed to, no, let them take the first episode,
Starting point is 00:35:40 carry it over and introduce our new characters throughout it. In episode seven, you go heavy into, let's say the big three have 75% of the screen time, 25% for the kids. In the second one, it's the, or episode eight, it's 50-50. And then in episode nine, it's new peeps to the, top and that's when you're going to kill off if you're going to kill off Luke and if you're going to kill off the rest of the characters you do it in that one.
Starting point is 00:36:06 So that's because that would have been kind of I think a kind of gradual emotional ride. Yeah. So that's what I would have done. Okay. Let's see. Let's go to the next one. Thank you for that question, my friend. Dennis Amy.
Starting point is 00:36:21 What's the deal with Canon? Are the novels, the movies? What are they? Are the novels for the movies canon? You know what's funny about this? that question is the reason why I'm not. It was the answer that Pablo Hidalgo gave about the book and how they're related to canon that I was like,
Starting point is 00:36:39 I think I'm out now. He had said that basically, so if you read the Force Awakens novel and there's stuff inside of it, they're like, well, wait a minute, that kind of negates a little bit what was going on in the movie. So that's canon? Like, no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:36:51 If it negates the movie, then the movie's canon. Like, well, that's confusing. Oh, that's weird. Be on the same page. Yeah, it's weird. It's like what if it's, oh yeah, I remember that. It's pretty much like if it's not mentioned in the movie at all, then it's canon.
Starting point is 00:37:04 But if it negates what something was said in the movie, then the movie takes precedent. It's like, how about everybody just gets on the same page? Yeah, that's weird. So I'm like, nah, I'm good. And you just want to sell books and I get it. I don't, I've never really been a fan of reading the novelized versions of if the movies come out first. They're really good, though. It's like, it's like the old, the best one is actually not even a canon one.
Starting point is 00:37:27 and it's Revenge of the Sith, because you're so inside of Anakin's head when he's making the turn, it makes more sense. Okay, that's cool. But yeah, but I'm with you, though. It's like, well, I've seen it. It's just the more detail.
Starting point is 00:37:38 And the reason I was reading them, I'm like, oh, because these are kind of canon stuff. I just, I bailed. Like, I'm, look, there are very much so, like a lot of times when you read these books, you should because you just want a good story and you want to read. Like, I just read a great Star Wars book.
Starting point is 00:37:50 And that really should be the reason why you're reading these books, honestly. I didn't read them for that reason. I read them because I'm a canon, right that's that's why I read them I read them because I was sold I mean there was a few that I read just for the stories obviously during Legends of Bain the plague us all that stuff because I just wanted to read those stories but when the reason I was reading everything was told by Kathleen Kennedy when she was um make that announcement in 2012 everything
Starting point is 00:38:18 is canon everything's put together in it all and I'm like oh it's all going to tie in and it's all going to play out and it's like some some of the big wigs over they don't even crap about the books. They'll take some of the stuff here and there, the comics. I'm like, eh, I don't waste all that time. Yeah. The great stories, and I support all the authors,
Starting point is 00:38:35 but I'm like, eh. I know, it takes the fun out. Yeah, it does. But, yeah, so that's the answer. So it's a, I don't like that answer, but it's canon when it is, and it's not when it's not. It's essentially what the answer was when they answered it.
Starting point is 00:38:52 Slam. Burrock Artie, if the Darth Plague is supposed, was made into a TV show, aka the acolyte, I hope. Could they make it without changing anything from the book? I've read it so many times, and to my knowledge,
Starting point is 00:39:05 nothing in the book contradicts canon. What do you think? Well, that's the beauty of it. That's why I think they're, I mean, usually the answer that people go, as well, they can't make these stories because of the canon side of it. And it's like, like I said,
Starting point is 00:39:19 they don't really care about that. It's part one. Part two is you can still stay true to canon. And I, I haven't read the Darth Plagas novel in a while, in a while. And I read it like two times, but I haven't read it in a while. But I'm certainly, I remember if things pop up on screen, I'll go, oh, right, I remember that for sure. But if someone who's fresh just read it, the way that when I saw, I think I saw like the second Harry Potter movie right after I read the novel.
Starting point is 00:39:44 Okay. So I went in going, oh, well, they changed that. They did that. And they did that. And that's fine. You're allowed to do that if you read a novel and everything too. But they stuck to it. They had to change things because they had to get to, you know, two, two,
Starting point is 00:39:56 hours and 25 minutes. Now in a TV show, you got more time. TV show, you got more, you can make an eight hour. You stay as true as you want to. I think that that would be something to me that they would want to do. Get somebody who can really adapt a novel, have them write eight scripts out of that novel, and make a TV show and try it. Try it once. Yeah, just once. Just, whoops. Again, Steph, I'm getting sick of this. So what do you think about the, as far as novelizations going. Well,
Starting point is 00:40:29 do you ever read Plagueis, right? Did you start Knights yet? You haven't started Knights yet? No, I'm starting it with you. We just, I thought. Oh, yeah, on Twitch. Yeah, we want to do it on Twitch with y'all. If you guys are interested in that, then...
Starting point is 00:40:38 Someone actually asked that question, so I should have just saved it. I just wanted to throw them in the bus, yeah. What do I think of that? I think that's sick. I've, I don't know if I've read Plagis or I've read like an entire summary of it, because I've heard it. And I was like, oh, that's sick. But I don't think I ever read the book.
Starting point is 00:40:56 book. But I think that would be great. You know, I'm a Harry Potter fan too. I love the movies and I love the books. It's like we've seen it so many times. Adapt it. Adapt it. Adapt it. Adapt it. That should be hashtag adapt the novels. Do it, Star Wars. Do it. Get it. Do it. Do it. All right. So let's see. That's the, uh, that's a good one. I'd like that question. Steve Shaw, do you think Andor will be better than Boba Fett and Kenobi? And could it take over the Mandalorian? It does look very different yet. epic from the trailers. So the answer to that question is I do think that it's going to be better than Kenobi.
Starting point is 00:41:32 I do think it's going to be better than Boba Fett. But I think it's going to be better for me because of my taste, right? And I think now, Mandalorian, I don't know yet. I don't know yet. But I think that for me, what I've been looking for in Star Wars for a very long time is Andor. And I think that it's going to be more serious. I don't think that it's, I don't.
Starting point is 00:41:56 don't think it's going to be very fun. Yeah. Which doesn't mean that that's the beauty of TV as you can have a lot of things. And that's, this is not a fun time in the galaxy. It's the same way the Obi-1 times that, Obi-1 was a fun show at times. And it shouldn't have been. It was in a time where everything, it's as, it's as as dark and dreary as Andor is in that time period. But as kids running around the woods and, you know, other things happening.
Starting point is 00:42:22 And it was, but there are a lot of people who want. that fun stuff. I know people who loved Oval, loved it, and I liked it. But this show to me is the type of Star Wars I've been looking for, the reason why Rogue One is my favorite at the moment. I don't know if it'll be Mandalorian,
Starting point is 00:42:38 but I think it's going to be up there. What do you think? I think it has a potential to do a lot of good things because it's not attached to legacy characters. I think that they've set it up where they have a person in charge who's really familiar with the story that they're going to tell.
Starting point is 00:42:56 And the cast is incredible. The trailer looks great. Like, it's set up to be awesome and exactly what we're looking for. Like, we talk about all the time. We like Star Wars is serious. Like, I just do. So I think it will be great.
Starting point is 00:43:11 I think that for a lot of people, it will be better than Obi-1. I don't know about, it would be great if it was just as good as Mandalorian. Like, that would be epic. It would be amazing. And I think that they need it right now. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:21 And I think that's, but that's always been my point with television. And that's why I still think television is the way to go for Star Wars because I can guarantee it. You can look absolutely. This is exactly what's going to happen if and or is as good as we think it will be, right? So the first series is Mandalorian. Mandalorian comes out.
Starting point is 00:43:39 People like, oh, my God, this is how Star Wars should be. It's so much better than Rise of Skywalker. Oh, TV, TV, TV, and everyone, when I was talking about how Mandalorian was going to be the thing, people like, oh, TV, it's not for Star Wars, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Now everybody loves Mandalorian. That Mandalorian season two comes out, oh, my God, it's amazing, amazing, amazing, amazing. so good, so great, great, great, great. Boba Fett, can't wait for Boba Fett. It's all right. Obi-1 is coming out. All right, Obi-1, Obi-1, Obi-Wan, right, you forgot about Boba-Fet's gone.
Starting point is 00:44:05 It's three months, who cares? It doesn't matter. It'll be better than Bobafet. And then some people like, eh, I don't know. Some people love it. Some are like, day. Like, oh, story of ruining Star Wars. And then And then Andor comes, ah, so the question, but the problem is, and people aren't wrong about this. If Andor isn't good, then the, then the same conversation will be like, that's three in a row that I just was not, dig into maybe Mandalorian is the only thing I want to watch. Yeah. As opposed to, okay, wait a minute. Now, this is how you do Star Wars.
Starting point is 00:44:33 It's just the cycle and how it all goes. And it's, and that's part, that's the business. It's like you're going to have, here's this product, but what I will say is Disney and Lucasfilm, Lucasfilm more so, if this show does hit with the fans, because Mandalorian is pretty serious for the most part. There's fun, obviously, Grogu and all those things, and there's fun moments in it, but it's a pretty serious.
Starting point is 00:44:55 Yeah, like the original. trilogy. Yeah. And they crack jokes and there's some things that happen. Like there's the Star Wars humor in there. If this show does that type of thing the same and both of those shows, they should stick to doing shows like this. They should stop trying to do the other stuff that they did with Boba Fett and Obi-Wan.
Starting point is 00:45:12 And they should stick to this type of stuff. And they should stick to the way that the lore is and they, I don't know. But we're going to find out pretty soon, man. Yeah. Yeah. I'm so excited. Okay. Let's get to the next one here.
Starting point is 00:45:26 So I do think Andrew has a chance to be better than those other two. I don't know about Mandalorian yet. Okay, so this is another Ryan Johnson thing. But Christopher says, Christof, I see what he did there. Is Ryan Johnson trolling us, seeing that his trilogy is still on? Why would Disney spend money on films that half the fan base will be against from the outset? They already walked back all his story choices to try and save the saga and rise.
Starting point is 00:45:50 So would they really back him again? It will ignite cats and dogs living together levels mass hysteria if it's announced. I don't disagree with you that I, like, but you remember, there are a lot of people who will be like, yes, and it is, but it's this strange war that you really don't need right now, which is, you just don't need it. Yeah, I don't think he's trolling us. Like I said before, I think he's just being a professional in the business. You want that paycheck.
Starting point is 00:46:16 Yeah, he's not cutting ties with one of the biggest production companies in history. Yeah. It's just smart. And also, I think, I get, I get like the, you know, know, episode eight wasn't my favorite either, but we shouldn't bring out the pitchforks if Ryan Johnson comes back. Right. We should see what he has.
Starting point is 00:46:36 Exactly. It's like, it's like, there will be a lot of people who won't see the movie. And I'll be, and look, I'm going to go in hesitant. Yeah. I'm going to go in hesitant, but of course I want to check it out and see it. But I, I just don't think, I think for his point, though, he makes a good point is that it's not the time that you want to announce him doing these movies. because you don't have a film division that's secure right now.
Starting point is 00:47:00 It'd be divisive, yeah, for sure. So, much so. So, I think Lindelof should be the one that you announce first. I really do. Lindelof to me is the one you, that's the one you, if you announce Lindelof and Tyke at the same time, I think,
Starting point is 00:47:13 and again, a lot of people are going to be excited about the Tyke movie. I'm just, because of Thor, I'm just a little put off right now. But I think that if you announced both those guys at the same time, I don't know. I think maybe,
Starting point is 00:47:24 maybe you get a little bit of, you just got to make sure it happens. I think the entire fan base is going to be like, yeah, I'll believe it when I see it. Yeah. That's what's going to happen. But okay. But yeah, I understand your points for sure. Brandon Lee Krushki.
Starting point is 00:47:39 Star Wars lately seems more hit and miss than the MCU. Is there a way for Star Wars to reestablish itself as a dominating force than the MCU at this point? Just seems like Marvel has more figured out. Formula, I get these lightsapers out of the way. Formula-wise to be profitable. And Star Wars keep. making missteps, including Mando and Obi-Wan. Mando?
Starting point is 00:48:00 Oh, excluding Mando and Obi-W-W-W-W-W-W-W. Okay, so see, he likes, he likes Obi-Wan. So that's good. Yeah, I like that. How can we bring back its days of glory? All right. So the answer to that question, again, I think that it's a, it's what everybody says.
Starting point is 00:48:14 It's like, you need a Figey, right? You need somebody like that. And that's easier said than done, obviously. But you need someone that's going to have a full-fledged plan, but start to connect it all and have the story, and you can't do that you just mentioned before. What you have to stop doing for at least a little bit is going, oh, what they used to do,
Starting point is 00:48:32 where they did many times over when I worked it for Joe Silver, you would have a script and you would say, okay, let's meet with Director A. Okay, Director A, what's your vision of this story? Well, what I'd like to do with it is maybe this. I read the script, and I think we did a couple changes there and did this. And instead of having this part of the story, we do that.
Starting point is 00:48:50 And then, oh, that sounds interesting. Okay, we're open for that, blah, blah. And then our Director B. Well, Director B wants to leave that in, but wants to move this and do all that. Marvel said, no, if you want to do a couple changes with that, but we need this story to continue on, but I don't feel comfortable with doing that.
Starting point is 00:49:05 Well, that's the story we're telling. So you got to go. And that's what happened with like Edgar Wright and Patty Jenkins for Thor and other things too. Star Wars needs to do that. Star Wars needs to say, okay, we want to tell the story of the Knights of the Old Republic. And we know where it's going to go.
Starting point is 00:49:20 We want to do three movies inside the Knights of the Old Republic. And inside of that, it's going to start here. we're going to take it here and we got to end here here here's our big treatment is what we want to do we're gonna we'd love to have so-and-so direct episode one we'd have to have so-so do the second one and so-and-so do the third or maybe so-and-so do one and two you know and
Starting point is 00:49:38 formulate a plan that way as opposed to oh okay JJ you're on board cool but you're gonna leave after the second one okay well go yeah Ryan Johnson oh you don't like anything what he did you want to change all of it oh it doesn't make sense it doesn't matter it'll make a billion dollars that old school producer money
Starting point is 00:49:56 you can't do that for Star Wars you just can't and so they need to get that on track the way that they have TV is on track though like even though they said that there's a couple of missteps he said in the air their their connective tissue whether you like to Obi-Wan or Boba-Fed or not the connective tissue is there
Starting point is 00:50:12 and that is what they're doing right in television yeah I think that I agree with that and the the truth is that it's not the MCU Like we're not working with a well-established comic book characters like in every from like every generation. There are so many characters that are sick in Star Wars. But I'll say the majority of fans I would, or people who like Star Wars like when I think
Starting point is 00:50:37 about my parents, family members, friends who aren't like us, they probably could name Luke, Han and Leah. Right. And that's it. Right. And so it's a unique. Imagine if we just focused on the first Avengers all until now. And like all we were seeing is just the first Avengers, like Iron Man, whatever, the Hulk.
Starting point is 00:50:55 You like, even though those are great characters, you're not establishing an MCU then. Like I think Star Wars, if you want to establish something like the MCU, you have to make people fall in love with all new characters. Calcustis, like whatever it may be. The Asoka is great now. Like we're getting more of those people that were familiar with as household names. Yes, 100%. But what Marvel has done is they have earned that through success, establishing the previous characters.
Starting point is 00:51:22 Absolutely. So when you establish Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, giving their own movies, then it's like, oh, well, we just made all this money. How do you guys feel about Guardians of the Galaxy? Oh, you love them too? Great, because now what we can do is we can do this. And that's what you need to do. You need to build that up.
Starting point is 00:51:39 And not necessarily by building up with old characters now, but familiar type of themes and ideas and putting in stories that what could work with Star Wars. and again, use the music. Adapt your books. It's right in front of them. It's right in front of them. Like the TV, again, they've got a narrative.
Starting point is 00:51:59 They have an idea. I'm still hoping for that big massive send-off event that they're going to do, but they have it. But as far as the films, I think that's how they do it. Okay, it's a great question. Eric Coteman, love seeing George Lucas and his kids in the Mandalorian set during Light and Magic's last episode. Could you ever see George direct an episode of Flonoy Ran series?
Starting point is 00:52:19 would love poetry there. I mean, I think I could see Faloni asking him, and I think that that would be amazing. I don't think I see George doing it. I think George is kind of, I don't think George wants to work for Disney because he would have to get a paycheck
Starting point is 00:52:33 from Disney on that one. Yeah. I don't think he wants to work for Disney. I think George is on the ranch, man. Yeah. He's just like, yeah, he's just overwatching. Do you know, someone sent this to me in the other day,
Starting point is 00:52:46 like, have you heard this thing between George Lucas and Robin Williams? talking about like Jar Jar and everything too. And I was listening to it. And I swear to God, I thought it was Josh Robert Thompson and Jamie, Costa. So I wrote to Jamie and go, is this is you guys? He's like, no, that's legit. That's real.
Starting point is 00:53:02 That's Robin Williams and Lucas like talking about Jar Jar Jar. Oh, really? Yeah. And it's fascinating. Whoa, I got to watch that. You'll listen to it. It's really, really good. Someone sent it to me.
Starting point is 00:53:14 Anyway, so yeah, I don't think I see George coming back. Cameron Dane Scott. Hey, I love the channel. Thank you very much. Thanks. Do you think we'll ever see a reboot spinoff of some sort that places both Jedi and Sith on present-day Earth? And do you think this would do well in the box office, thanks. This is nothing against you, my friend.
Starting point is 00:53:32 I want nothing to do with that because it negates a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. A long time ago means that it was probably around the time of the dinosaurs or even before when all that stuff was going on. So a long time ago. So Earth itself is not a – I don't want ever see. the Star Wars crossover with it. Yeah, it would be interesting. Like, I'm just thinking about other, like, historic events crossing over. Like, can you imagine if Samarise were just, like, walking through the, like, New York City?
Starting point is 00:54:03 Right, right, right, right. Like, it'd be like, okay, the sword was cool then. Yeah, right. And I know with them, yeah, it reminds me like the Masters of the Universe movie that came in when they arrive at Earth and all that. But it's like, yeah, and do I think it'll do well at the box others? No, because it goes back to our previous conversation, where they don't have anything established.
Starting point is 00:54:23 And can you imagine the next one is a bunch of Jedi show up and they go to Earth? And people are like, oh my God. And again, I'm not making, I'm not shitting on your idea. I'm just saying like that if that was, like, it's not, they haven't guardians of the galaxy earned it yet. You know what I mean? Yeah, no, yeah. You would have to, yeah, I would have to be like starting to get conditioned.
Starting point is 00:54:41 Yeah. Like when we're talking about psychology, conditioned to understand that that could be possible. And like how humans would interact. Well, they did it at Battlestar. I'm pretty sure in one of the last scenes of Battlestar Galactica. but it was after many seasons and it was not the Earth that we knew and it was like I can't remember how they did it I haven't seen it in so long but but like something like that where they discover it like a planet like that and you find out like it's Earth but it's not the Earth we really know yeah it's like they go to this planet and it's like Earth I don't know 10,000 years ago or something who knows but who knows yeah but I maybe I'd say not in another galaxy for another galaxy far far away right Okay, so this is
Starting point is 00:55:22 Thanatos. Will Vivian Lyra Blair, the young actress who played Leah and Ovi-Wan-Kanovi, appear in and or at some point, season one or further seasons? I would say no because she, because this, I think it takes place, what is, this takes place a couple of years, like four
Starting point is 00:55:38 years after Obi-W-W-Wan, doesn't it? She'd be like a teenager. She'd be older, so I'd say probably not. She probably wouldn't show up in this one. But I love, we love her. She's great. Yeah. Jason Burch, do you think the next Star Wars movie should be the first of a trilogy or a solo film. I perfectly think a solo film isn't a way to go.
Starting point is 00:55:54 A new trilogy with new characters is very exciting to me. That's a, it just depends type of question. It really is a depends type of question because it's like, if it's Lyndalloff and they announce, I prefer solo movies, honestly, because I think trilogy, you're just setting you, there's, the structure is not secure enough over there to, to make me trust the trilogy. I think solo movies and kind of put movies out and, you know, Solo Star Wars, adventures.
Starting point is 00:56:21 They earn it too. Like, right? You know, like if the first movie slaps, then all writers usually write with open ends, you know? So it's like, I don't think like this idea of like you get a trilogy because we can is a little. I don't love it. I'm kind of getting over that. I'm with the same page. Okay.
Starting point is 00:56:40 Let's see. Keep going on. The FitGM with the absence of post rise of Skywalker novels and an abundance of high republic literature. Do you think there will be a shift in movies going backwards in time rather than forward? Or do you think they're waiting for a new film before they're starting writing novels about it? I think all of that, actually. I think all of that. I think the answer to your question is, yes, I think because of the High Republic stuff,
Starting point is 00:57:01 they're going to start to play there. They're even starting with the Acolyte. The Acolyte is like 50 years before Phantom Menace or something like that. So I think that's a first start. I think that there's that video game that's coming out. I think that there was rumors that they were going to do more stuff in the High Republic. But I do think that you're 100% right. I think that once they announced,
Starting point is 00:57:19 a movie and maybe that movie is Tycho Atiti's movie where it takes place after episode nine, you know, and maybe they start writing novels afterwards. But I think there's no rush to write novels in that time period right now. You have so much time. Yeah. What do you think? I agree with you. I think they're going to do both going forward and backwards, but with the High Republic, I read the first book. I really liked it. I think that that's what they're setting up. All right. Let's go. Let's go. Let's see. We have a couple more left. here he is Miguel Fernandez
Starting point is 00:57:49 Let's throw a fun one in here Is Sabine showing up in Mando Season 3? I say yes Have a great show you guys I don't know Because I will It seems like every time
Starting point is 00:58:03 This is kind of why I love having Miguel on Because he and I don't Well we also don't really see eye to eye And a lot of things I say no Because I don't think They want to debut her there. Maybe in a post-credit scene or something like that, but I don't think Asoka shows up.
Starting point is 00:58:22 I think they're going to, if the series was like a year away, I'd say maybe, but it's, it's within months. And maybe that's probably his argument against it, is that it's so close they want to promote it a little bit more to get you there. But I think, I think that the way, they've already set up that Asoka is going on this mission to go get Thrawn. Thrawn. And we know that at the time period, and then it plays into Rebel. So no, I don't think that, I don't think that she does. Do you think otherwise? No. Yeah, like we got the announcement,
Starting point is 00:58:50 which the actress, like, looks so much like the character. I'm so excited. But I don't, I think it's too, I don't know if they would have cast her before they started filming season three of Mandalorian. They might have, but here's, but this is why I wouldn't bet against Miguel,
Starting point is 00:59:08 because they, it's not like, if it was, so someone's saying, do you think she'll show up in Andor, right, regardless of how, much time is in. I'd say no, because it's Tony Gilroy and everything too. But this is Flonny and Favro. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:22 So they're both doing both shows, right? So, or more so Flonone on, uh, Flonnie on Asoka, but still. So his reasoning behind it is probably, well, they know that they're going to be shooting with her one day. And you could see Flonnie going, why don't we shoot this scene and put it in Mando? Because as I hear myself say it, too, it's like,
Starting point is 00:59:42 I'm not going to be surprised. Here's what I'll say. I don't think she will be in it. But I, I won't be shocked if she is because also of the Mandalorian connection, obviously, and her connection with Boatat. With Bo. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:52 That's like the reason I would think that it would happen is because they had such a connection in the animated series. So, yeah. So it's possible. But what I would say, actually, I think that it's more possible that you'll see her in Mandalorian season four. Yeah. I think after she's established in Asoka and then I think Boca tan's going on a run.
Starting point is 01:00:16 in this one man i think bocatan is going to go and i don't even know if she's going to make a heel turn or not but she's going to go on a run um and i think that sabine might have to come back and and deal with bogotan yeah so we'll see we'll see all right all right here we go this is from richard ginch we haven't had a rogue one we haven't had a rogue one re-release in the uk so i watched it again anyway there's some great stuff where we see every life of stormtroopers working in prison camps. I love the joint asteroid settlement, the ring of Kaffrein.
Starting point is 01:00:47 Do you think we'll go back to these locations from Rogue One? I think it could be the best Star Wars thing in the new era. Thanks, guys. I think a lot of people are thinking that too, Richard, about Andor, and I think that what we could potentially get
Starting point is 01:00:58 is I think we'll definitely see locations from Rogue One that pop into this show. I do for sure. Now, if it's those particular things, I don't know, but I think there's, Tony Gilroy has made it very clear that this is a full-on lead-up to Rogue One. So he it's funny because I keep mentioning and people keep DMing me and stuff when when I say this,
Starting point is 01:01:17 but I'll say it again. Tony Gilroy at Star Wars Celebration when we were in the room was like, oh, we're going to do like three seasons. And then Dioglino's like, I signed up for two. And then he's like, yeah, we're going to do three. I guess we're doing three. And then all reports are that they're doing two. So I don't know if two ends up going into Rogue One or if they do like announce like a season three. But either way, you're getting a lot of tie tie-ins to Rogue One.
Starting point is 01:01:41 You're getting a lot of things that are familiar. I mean, you're already seeing like Saw Guerrera and some of these things. So I think this is a full-on lead-in to Rogue 1. Yeah, I agree. I don't know exactly where they're going to be on location, but they're clearly shooting on locations, which I love in the trailer. No volume in this show. I'm so excited.
Starting point is 01:01:58 I love the volume, but I got a little fatigued from it. So I can't wait for you to watch Game of Thrones because... The second episode. There's a reveal afterwards that there was something shot at the volume that I couldn't tell. at all. Oh, sick. And, but the majority of it is all locations, but there's one particular thing that was shot in volume and it's like, wow. Wow. Sick. Yeah, I'm excited for it. I heard there's more dragons this time, so let's go.
Starting point is 01:02:24 It's a very detailed, the episode's very detailed, and it's what I loved about it. All right, let's see. Aaron Lameb. Hey, Christian, in regards to the air to the Empire-inspired series on Disney Plus, the thing I've been screaming about. At the Disney Investor Day presentation in 2020, Kathleen Kennedy announced shows like Asoka, Mandalorian, and Future. your stories in this time period that will culminate in a climatic story event. That's interesting. I didn't know that. Would be interesting to see the stories start with Thron and the Imperial forces in the unknown regions, aligning with our heroes to fight the Griske, who are the canonical
Starting point is 01:02:58 equivalent of the Yuz and Vong in terms of the threat that they pose. The Grisksk were also a main factor of Thron joining the empire. So Imperial forces would come to the aid of the Chis Dendency and fight the Grisks when needed. after the threat is dealt with, Thrawn and his forces could return to the known galaxy in the hope of regaining the empire's influence and the story could continue from their thoughts. Thoughts are, I love that.
Starting point is 01:03:19 Love it. And I hope it. And I've been saying it. And I, again, I was on campus show yesterday. And I said, I keep saying this because I want to throw it into the universe. Please make this happen. Please do a big, huge event. I didn't know that Kathleen Kennedy said that at the Investor Day. I hope that that's true.
Starting point is 01:03:36 She said many things, though, that don't come to fruition. So I hope, I hope, hope, hope that that's what they announced at D23. That'd be sick. Big event. Oh, my God. I mean, are you kidding me? Like, to have, like, that's, that's all I'm looking for. I don't, and I've said, I don't, you do that.
Starting point is 01:03:51 You're going to even cement, okay, fine, I don't care what movies they do. So. You'd have people happy. I'd be excited to do, like, a full on, like, it's that crisis on infinite earth thing that they did for, like, Flash and everything, too. And they do that, like, to do that and to show this is what you can do in TV. Yeah. We've set up this universe.
Starting point is 01:04:07 And it's essentially their Avengers. Be sick. It's their Avengers. I think that they set it up with Luke in Boba Fett when he says, am I going to see you again? Yeah. And so, So, Sokish, like, we'll see. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:19 Let's do it. Let's do it. I forget that was in Boba. You know what I'll tell you, though, is what they, what that show, Boba Fett really needs to be commended on that deep fake, like even more so because it's amazing how good it is. I just watched the Samaritan, which is that Stallone, superhero movie, there's a deep fake in there that is atrocious. It's so bad.
Starting point is 01:04:42 It looks like a really bad video game. It's atrocious. I didn't mind the movie. I thought the movie was fine, but that was, I'm like, wow, just going, like, there were tons of YouTubers that could have done way better than what they did. It was so bad. It was so bad. But the credit needs to be given to them and to show that that's what they would have
Starting point is 01:05:00 to do was Luke and Leah and Han. If they did it, imagine they did some big event like that where they all showed up. People lose their minds. Yeah, they would. Lose their minds. Okay, let's do the last one here, and then we'll get going. All right.
Starting point is 01:05:14 Artem Shakermanian, I hope I said that right. In the latest, but there's no way I said that right. In the latest book, Star Wars Shadow of the Sith, Sith Eternal Follow mentions, Darth Bain,
Starting point is 01:05:24 Darth Nillis, and Revin. Do you think the accolite will go into the Sith lore? Yes, I do. Because I think that, yeah. Was it Leslie Headland? Is that, is that her name?
Starting point is 01:05:32 She's apparently a massive book reader, a massive lore person, and this is, kind of her jam. It's like the dark stuff. I'm pumped for this show. This is my most, I'm the most like,
Starting point is 01:05:44 no, listen, out of all of the shows, even more so than Andor, this show has to be dark and serious. Yeah, I agree. It has to be. I don't care if you have a comedic character in there to kind of lighten up the mood here and there,
Starting point is 01:05:57 but this show has to be. Yeah. And by the time, like if it was following Andor, then I'd say, yeah, it's probably going to be lighter because they don't want to go dark, dark, but it's not.
Starting point is 01:06:06 Mandalorian's coming out. Mandalorian will be a little, lighter, but it's still It's still a dark Yeah, you got Grogu in it though, so you know, it's, and then Asoka will have their light moments in it too, but and we'll have that rebels feel for sure. But then the acolyte will come out after that.
Starting point is 01:06:22 Fire down that Sith lore. Tell me more about Bain. Let's let's let the people who don't know about Bain and Plague's and Revin. This is where you're going to do it. Introduce it and introduce it big. What do you think? Yeah. Yeah. I think like those make it like the scene.
Starting point is 01:06:38 in Revenge of the Sith, right? When they were just talking about it, it's like the best, yeah. I think if you get into lore that's outside of politics with Star Wars, because I love the politics in Star Wars, but it's not everyone's, they don't, they haven't, they're finding the tone with that, I would say.
Starting point is 01:06:55 But I would say, like, the lore is like, that's the thing that I think makes people love Game of Thrones and why House of the Dragon is working. It's like that lore of the family. And wait, the politics really in Game of Thrones, really comes into play in episode. I'm excited. That's the type of stuff.
Starting point is 01:07:10 I hope they start doing. There are two things that I think are just like winners that you got to do. All right, everybody. So I want to thank you guys so very much for joining us here today. And obviously thank you to Steph Sabra. Once again, if you have donated to the studio, thank you so much. Please, if you haven't left a note, please tell me about it. If you want to and you want to check out that list, it's in the link of this description.
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Starting point is 01:08:08 to Steph. We hope to get Mike back next week. Next week is also, let's see, next week is, what the hell is it on Wednesday? So you got to be two days before D23. Oh yeah. So I'll be at D23 for sure. Are you going? No. You're not going to share. No. I've never been. Are you haven't gone? No. Did you apply? You didn't apply for press, did you? No. I will next time. Oh, Steph's a abroad. You're my mentor. You got to help. All right. Well, the next, the next one is, do you apply for Star Wars Celebration Press yet? Is it out? No.
Starting point is 01:08:39 I don't think so. I don't remember yet. We'll see. I don't even know. Anyway, listen, thank you guys for joining us. We appreciate you. We'll see you on the flip side. It's Sith Council.
Starting point is 01:08:48 Peace. Makes you stronger.

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