The Kristian Harloff Show - Robert Downey Jr could return as Tony Stark and Doctor Doom in The new Avengers movies?! Smart move?

Episode Date: July 19, 2024

The Russos are potentially back to direct the next two Avengers films. Will they get the ship moving again for Marvel? How will it work? Speaking of returns, it looks like Robert Downey Jr will not only return as Tony Stark variant but he will or could return as a variant of Doctor Doom. Does this make sense? Good move? Superman news, The Boys and more. Join Winston A. Marshall and Coy Jandreau on this episode of Capes and Cowls. In this video, we dive into the exciting possibility of Robert Downey Jr making a comeback as Tony Stark and Doctor Doom joining the MCU in the new Avengers movies! Is this a smart move by Marvel Studios? Join us as we discuss the potential impact on the Marvel Cinematic Universe, the legacy of Iron Man, and the rich history of Marvel Comics. Could this be a game-changer for Marvel Phase 4 and beyond? Let's explore the possibilities of these iconic characters crossing paths in the world of Avengers, comic books, and the ever-expanding Marvel universe. Plus, we'll touch on the connections to other Marvel movies, the introduction of Deadpool, and how this could shake up the superhero landscape, including comparisons to DC and potential implications for Marvel Phase 5 and even Phase 6. Don't miss out on this exciting discussion!

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I'm not to dive into it. It's like, it's Tony Stark, dude. How do you not trust Tony Stark? I think it's all but certain that it's going to be an element of Secret Wars part one and two. Like whether or not it's going to be called that, I think it will effectively be two films. Kind of like what you're saying, it's been fitting to wear an end game. That's not the face you thought you were going to see right now, is it? A lot more melanin, way less beard.

I can't grow it. There's patches. Anyway, welcome to capes and cows. Christian, unfortunately, cannot join us today. So it's going to be coined myself as we're going to go through the top stories that are going on, the Russo brothers are coming back potentially for both Avengers. This is getting serious now.

We kind of talked about the rumors, but now they're officially in negotiations. Are they, do they still got the sauce? We're going to talk about it. The boys just ended. Jesus. That's it, Jesus. It was absolutely crazy. We're going to talk about that too. It's going to be non-spoiler. If you want to

see some spoiler stuff, I'm sure. Both of us have other stuff up. We'll talk about that. Robert Downey Jr. might come back and be doom? Really? There's just so much going on as well as Superman news. Scarlett Johansson didn't like how things went down, man. We got to talk about all of it. So strap in, man, it is going to be a wild capes and cows.

I even sit up the shots to make it seem like Coy is not sitting directly to my right. Come here, Coy. I made it seem like he not here. Look at this. This is crazy. I did this. Be proud of me. Let's get it going.

It's me. It's Coy. It's Caps and Cows. We own. Welcome back to Capes and Cows, everybody. as I mentioned before, Coy, Jean-Drew. How's the weather over there?

Oh, it's kind of nice. Follow me. It's nice. Myself. Twist. And Twist. We're in the same room. Absolutely.

Fantastic, y'all. So, again, welcome to capes and cows. Christian had a little bit of emergency going on. So we're going to be running this solo dolo today, but it's good to see you, brother. You too. Look at us in the same room doing this,

the studio. I'm being real careful. Like, I'm kind of like, I'm trying to lower my trapezeous. Well, because of that two episodes ago, I was literally two feet tall. Last week I was like four feet tall. And that's what they keep saying is they were just like,

they were like, so we're just doing Hobbit. It's the force perspective. It's just like it's actually at an angle and I'm actually five, nine, tier six plusness. But it's all good. Like that's why I set up these solo shots. So again, it looks, it looks professional. I just got to make sure I choke up on the mic.

No ditty. Otherwise, it just looks ridiculous. But yeah, so we're going to jump right into it, man. We've got some, a bunch. of really crazy stories going on. So let's get into it about the Rousseau's coming back. All right, this report coming from comic book movie Marvel Studios officially in talks with the Rousseau's to helm Avengers Five and Avengers Secret Wars.

Shock and development out of Marvel Studios today, as it's being reported that the Russo Brothers are an early talks to helm the upcoming fifth and sixth Avengers film, which will start filming next year. Now, this is Rohan Patel, originally from the Hollywood Reporter that comic book movie is pulling this from. Just when they thought they were out, they're being pulled back in. Breaking news from Marvel Studios this afternoon as the Hollywood reporter has learned that Joe and Anthony Russo, aka the Russo brothers, are in early talks to helm the still untitled Avengers Five and Avengers Secret Wars.

While a contract is likely still being drawn up if the studio and the Russo's come to terms, this will mark the end of a lengthy director search that saw the likes of Destin Daniel Creighton from Shang Chi, Sean Levy, Deadpool, Wolverine, and Sam Ramey, the Spider-Man. Trilogy in Dr. Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, all in various stages of contention for arguably the hottest directing gig in Hollywood. After a strong reception to Shang Chi, Destin Daniel Creighton was originally hired to direct Avengers Five, then titled Avengers the King Dynasty, but exited the project a month prior to star Jonathan Major's assault conviction. With early buzz trending in a positive direction for his upcoming MCU debut, Deadpool and Wolverine director Sean Levy was recently offered the job as well, but seems to have passed based

on this latest development. Avengers 5 is now expected to receive a new title and will shift its focus to a different villain. Filming on the fifth chapter is reportedly set to begin in March 2025 and is slated to run through the end of summer 20205. Also, while unconfirmed, it appears as though Avenger's Secret Wars will now commence filming immediately after the first half-raps production. It's also being reported by Jeff Snyder. Wow. Fun to say, you feel a little Harlow off there? I just, I don't know if I like.

You're taken over by the spirit. I just, the Harloff was in me. It was, I felt it. No, Diddy and the Harlow. That's two. Oh, my God. All right. This is what happens when you host, Cap, and Cells.

It's also being reported by Jeff Snyder during his hot mic podcast that Christopher, Mark, hold on. I'll do that again. It's not just Jeff Snyders. It's Jeff Snyders and Rokas. I get Rokas do. During his hot mic podcast. That's what I'm reading.

I'm not going to let the Hollywood reporter do that, okay? I'm not. Full credit. Full credit. It's also being reported by Jeff Snyder during the Hot Mike podcast with John Roker that Christopher Marcus and Stephen McPhele are being courted to write the screenplay for both films. Rousseau's have a long history with Marvel Studios and played a vital role in establishing the Marvel Cinematic Universe, previously directing four of the most widely acclaimed superhero films of all time,

Captain America the Winter Soldier, Captain America's Civil War, Avengers Infinity War, and Avengers Endgame. Joe Russo also directed the second episode of Agent Carter. Their four films have grossed over 6.681 billion globally. That's crazy. It's insane. Since 2019, the Russo's have directed Cherry and the Greyman, uh, Cherry and the Greyman,

which starred Marvel alum's Tom Holland and Chris Evans, respectively, but neither film managed to reach the critical or commercial heights of their Marvel blockbuster, so a return to the MCU may help them get their groove back. However, before they can get started on those, massive endeavors. Next up on the docket is the Chris Pratt starter, the electric state, which is due

out later this year. For years now, the Russo's have expressed interest in helming and adaptation of the classic Secret War storyline, and it looks like they're about to get their wish, and it should easily be the most challenging venture to date, especially with the film having been rumored to return many factions of the larger Marvel universe, including the likes of Toby McGuire Spider-Man and Hugh Jackman's Wolverine, amongst others, and thrust them into the battle to end all battles. With Comic-Con around the corner, we should probably expect some sort of formal confirmation at the annual event and the likely full title and slate reveal and maybe even a few cast confirmations. So what are your thoughts hearing all that? Are you excited about the Rousseau's?

Do you think this is a mistake? What's going on in your head, man? I think when you make four the most successful films the last 10 years, you should do what you want. And I think that what they want was to take a little break from Marvel and then to come back and do Secret Wars because they've pretty much said, hey, we want to take a little break from Marvel. But if you ever do Secret Wars, and I think they should come back and do Secret Wars, I think it's such an obvious. It's tricky, because I'm a man of two minds about it.

On one side, it's so obvious, it seems like a yes. On the other side, with it being Avengers 5 and 6, the only negative, if I'm seeking a negative, if I want to be angry on Twitter, like people that are complaining, and by the time this airs, they'll probably say winter soldiers overrated, because that's the culture we live in right now.

My only negative would be, it is kind of proof of concept that Marvel isn't taking any risks. So we went from phase one only exists because of risks. It literally is, let's get Downey Jr. Who no one else will hire. Let's do a script that's not even done being finished yet. Let's hire John Favro, who's not yet a household name.

Let's make a superhero movie. That's risky. And then the bigger risk is, what if we put these four heroes together and we have an assemblage of heroes that are these six characters, you'll know four of them, call it the Avengers. That's risky. That's crazy. And they've kept taking risks.

Guardians was a huge risk in phase two. changing tones with Winter Soldier, up until phase three ending, going into phase four, people were celebrating those risks. Phase four was a lot of risks, and people didn't like all of them. I would argue it's about 50-50.

Some people would argue back, but the risks are what Marvel did to get here. I would have liked, if I'm nitpicking, to see a different Avengers director and then them back for Secret Wars, just so we could see what a different tone is. Sure.

But it's not worth the risk with where people perceive the brain, brand right now. So if I'm looking for a negative, I can still say popping holes in that. Because I wouldn't do that right now, but it is kind of a shame that we're living in a time where everyone feels like, oh, we can't do anything risky. And I don't think they're not risky. I think they make big swings, but I think they're such a comfortable name to say. No, that's fair. I think where my mind goes with it is I think about the fact that even though Endgame and Infinity War are technically two separate films, because of how they were shot,

It's actually, they've technically, not technically, they sort of, metaphorically, whatever they would fit in there, done one of Endersfilm. Because if you think about... Six hours. No, no, no, no, I understand that. It's a very, very long. It's a Ben Hurd, like, you know, type level of length.

But if you think about it, since it's one continuous story versus Whedon doing the OG and then doing Age of Ultron, which it all connects, but they are two very separate stories. Yeah. That was one story that they did. it just happened to be a longer version of it. So there's a part of me that that is kind of okay with it in the sense that it's all right,

this is now arguably their second four-way into doing an Avengers film. I mean, if we're going to be, I mean, if we're going to split hairs, we want to split hairs, Civil Wars got out of the Avengers. Yeah,

but it also, you just said it six hours. That was only like, that's eight hours of Avengers. So you really did want and some change. You know what I'm saying? You did want it, one and one in your pennies.

Infinity War is more of a Thanos film than Avengers film. and then end games of Avengers film. If we're going to be semantical, which might be a word. But no, no, no, I hear what you're saying. And definitely. I think that there is something to be said

about the fact that, you know, they have shot a lot of stuff. But I also think, like you said, Marvel is trying to write the ship right now. Right. And if you know for a fact that they've brought you 6.681 billion. It's insane. You know what I'm saying?

And it's like, yes, the, what? What? Did the first one hit a billion? All Avengers films have hit a billion, but they still had to be done well enough for people to go and see it. 100%. And I think play the hits is a good move. I just think it's also, as someone who likes art, I get worried when I hear.

Play the hits. Like when a band goes on tour and only plays, you know, now that's what I call music tracks. I don't think it's an artistic endeavor. Here's the difference, though. You're not playing the hits. You're saying, let's get the band back together for a new album. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. And so I think if you have it that way of the idea of let's, get the band back together for a new album, there is the possibility of putting out something great. Now, there have been plenty of bands that have been retired. They come back and their new album is garbage. So that is also a risk that's being had here.

But I was seeking the negative. This is great news. I just like, I wanted to play devil's advocate off of something that feels like great news. Like, to me, this is an A plus. Like, to me, this is a no-brainer. To me, this is, well, yeah.

I was just trying to think of a negative because I'm trying to be more like aware of where other people are coming from that are complaining. I don't have it in this one. Like that's the only negative I could think of. They've wanted to do Secret Wars for a long time. They love the story and that's so important. If you're going to do two movies back to back,

these guys are about to dedicate like three years of their lives nonstop. Like they were so exhausted. I've interviewed Marcus McPhili and the Rousseau's and the amount of exhaustion from doing two movies back to back, from doing six hours of movie, from doing a 40 person cast each. And the script for five before they changed it had 60 characters. And like, it's just such a life endeavor. Obviously, they make a billion dollars.

You're going to do okay. But it's at the end of the day, you've got to make sure that's worth your life because they don't need money. Well, I know you don't. Well, they don't, but let me put it to you this way because you don't do the sports, but you do the Boston. Yep. This to me feels very like if the Rousseau's of all the directors in the MCU is essentially

Brady, this is a situation where it's like, A.O., can you give us one more season? and we want to go get this chip real quick. Like, it is time for us to start to move up, but should be willing to give us one more? So the question is, can they come into essentially this Tampa Bay situation where the team is similar, but it's pretty different, but you're going to have a lot of say, you're going to have a lot of clout to do what you want to do.

Can you get that one last ring before you're like out, out? Yeah, I think that's the move. You know, especially knowing that they specifically said, we want to do Secret Wars. You can do Secret Wars, but we're having trouble with this other thing because we, you know, we have this all-world. But he got a pretty good ending. If you think about the Kang arc, Loki being the god of stories and it ending with like

Kang effectively not being as all powerful as he assumed, we never saw all powerful Keg. We only heard about him. So it kind of worked out that he's, it's more of an ego thing. Like if Kang goes out because his ego was too big and it didn't like land, I think Loki taking over is also kind of a beautiful inversion because Loki had to humble himself. Yeah. So it's kind of a good story to land where it did.

I don't think, you know, recasting Kang as a major player. really makes sense with that post-credit scene. Before we get going, man, let's go ahead and take half a second to let Christian tell you about our wonderful sponsors for today's capes and cows. Christian? I got to tell you about Cremont. That's right, man. So I think you guys also have, last week when I was telling you guys about them,

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I caught the end. But you had already seen it, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. That would have sucked. It took a lot of twists. I wasn't necessarily expecting based upon how we had the episode before. And so to see where the chips kind of fell with the seven and Homelander, I definitely had this feeling that Sage, I won't say what happens. I thought Sage's story was going to go in a slightly different direction. I thought that it was going to be a situation of her being the smartest person, having her own plan. And I thought that plan was going to go one way.

And this plan went a slightly different way, which I don't hate actually. I kind of actually appreciate that I was wrong on my calculation of how this was all going to play out. Some deaths I did not expect, a love story I'm very happy about. and then honestly we were talking about how much a lot of folks were upset with this season because they felt like what's the meme on euphoria? Is this about us? Like there's a lot of people that are upset about it. Are we the baddies?

But what was interesting was just to see that like again, they really took direct shots at everything from January 6th to, you know, We didn't necessarily know about how certain things were playing out right now. But I'd be remiss to point out that even what happened this past Saturday, kind of got a nod to where I'm starting to be like, is there a Nostradamus working in that writer's room? They have to change the title of the finale episode. So with all of that going on that I brought up, man, Koy, what were your thoughts on this finale, brother?

So I personally enjoy the satire of the boys quite a bit. I personally, I think it's a great commentary on many things, superhero culture being what it started as, and then talking about capitalism and extreme greed being what it developed into, which is the fun Vought Amazon parallel. But by the time we got to this season, I was still enjoying the show, but man, I really struggled to that last episode's prophetic nature

to the first time that I really, I was laughing, but it was from a really dark place. And it was interesting to watch something that, you know, was reflecting the world that was, so prevalent in the present. Like when you have to change the finale's title, you know you wrote something that's ahead of the curve because the show was written a year and a half ago,

filmed almost a year ago. That's an intense thing to watch. And I mean, most people are pretty clear where I lean politically, but violence isn't the solution to things. And I like that the boys theme this episode was that. And to not give anything away, there's a beautiful moment where a character

that's probably gotten the worst of the emotional trauma this season is acknowledging that violence isn't how you make people believe in you. And I think I really liked in the topical nature of the show, us acknowledging that we don't make things better by making things worse.

We are not living in a timeline where it's always darkest just before the dawn. Corruption corrupts absolutely. If you're going to have a problem, the solution isn't to become as bad as those that you're against. And I liked that message at the time it came. It was, the message specifically was, if you're fighting monsters, then you need to remain human.

Right. But don't become a monster. And I agree. I think this idea of genuinely trying to cool things down and try and bring people away from the edge of violence and insanity, I think that that is the ultimate message that the episode was trying to deliver. And there's a line, like, you know, there's a line between teams will Smith slap. but like that's not gonna you know like there's a there's a you know talk beep get beep but like there's also the other extreme you know what I mean so I think that actions have consequences but I also think you can become the thing you sought to defeat by letting those consequences carry you into a place

you don't want to be in no I agree and I genuinely think that a lot of the other big thing that I think was the main theme of this season was this idea that we all need to have the space to forgive ourselves and to forgive others. And that is where you end up in a position of actual power and a position of actual healing. And again, we watched a lot of characters have to come to terms with that. But there are two characters in particular

where because they kept lying and because they thought so low of themselves, it led to just disarray the whole time only for them to finally acknowledge that. And at least for them, things started to turn around. Again, if you know what I'm talking about, you know what I'm talking about. I just try and very hard to keep this as

spoilery free as possible. But yeah, I just genuinely thought that they did a really good job of rounding it out. I had no idea about, because I was confused. I paused it and it said season four finale and I was like, oh, that's interesting. That's like a title, I guess. I was like, maybe it's marketing thing.

I don't know. Did Amazon forget to type something? Well, especially because they still had the rest of the description. Right, you're like, whose job is over because they didn't write the title of his episode. Because they love to do the same thing that like, you know,

Donald loves to do with Atlanta It's just like a stream of consciousness Kind of like talking at you Did you see that Bando released his actual track titles? Oh, did he? Yeah, I'm shocked. He never does that. Yeah, yeah, I didn't know that.

Activista didn't have titles to the re-release. Like he actually like... Well, that's because it wasn't done. No, like, clearly. But like, we needed that album at the time. But I love that he released his full track list today. Oh, that's cool. Bando's got a whole...

Had no idea. Honestly, I've had the new M&M on repeat. Dude is incredible. It's fascinating because you found it, he found a way to both acknowledge his old persona and how he used to go with people, what that kind of meant, and then at the same time,

still acknowledge how things are today. It's almost like maturing into acknowledging your past and your villains is also the arc of the boys. And there's exactly. Well, and the fact that I think about that album, which again could tie to the boys, you can do both.

Yeah. You could find a way to like make jokes and be kind of offensive, but acknowledge of their jokes, acknowledge that you still care. It's all it's intent to me. A thousand percent. Are you doing it because you are actively trying to be a crappy person to go with somebody or are you doing it to kind of make the joke but then are you still

support? Like there's there there is definitely a positive and a negative you can see with how people are delivering certain things. And I felt that album and this show find a way to take those jabs but then have a real conversation about what that means. the people that are getting the jabs thrown out them, how you actually support. Like, that's what's interesting.

For me, I'm always shocked and people are surprised that I like M&M. I'm like, are you not aware of my anger and frustration at the status quo? You are white. I'm the whitest. I've got a lot of anger and whiteness in equal measure, and that is M&M. Everybody got some anger.

Let's be real. But I think it's interesting when you look at M&M, like a lot of the things he says are to get attention on the things he's talking about. So I think it's really important. we're living in a time where nobody's going to give a crap unless you use certain language. Like that's why I used to use the C word a lot and then I lost a lot of sponsors. Yeah, you can't do that. But that word is impactful and few words are.

Like four letter words don't matter anymore to scale. YouTube matters. So I have to believe everything. But on a day-to-day basis, there's very few words that actually make people listen. And I think Eminem uses a lot of them. And I think it works. And I also think that you need to raise awareness of some stuff while also maturing. But no, I totally hear you.

And again, I think that's the big. thing, no pun intended, is it's just the idea that Eminem, this show, in order to address an issue, you have to talk about it. You can't skate around it. You have to talk about it directly. I think the difference is, is we see people that will say they're trying to do that, but then they don't make a point. Right. They're just talking. Yeah. Those comedians that are like, oh, I'm going to say something's going to get me canceled. Eminem's saying the stuff that you're saying, but he's got a point. Like he's not,

he's saying it to say it to raise awareness, not saying it to say it to be edgy. No, absolutely. I think one of the best people that does that right now, to be honest with you, just from a stand-up point of view, is Andrew Schultz.

Like, he's on his world tour right now and the jokes that he'll post that he's doing on the fly about current events, fantastic. Same thing with Josh Johnson, who has, what he's on, I think it's Josh Johnson is his name,

but he's on the daily show now. He's done a number of specials. He posts a lot of, clips to him at the comedy seller and same thing he'll talk about relevant topics and they're uncomfortable yeah but he is making a point and so i think that that is what art should do and people have to remember comedy whether it be a tv show an album stand-up that's all art and there's other art if you don't like it like that's and that goes back to my russo thing like hey you didn't like winter soldier one we probably won't get along but two then don't watch it or like if you're not

excited about this thing like i didn't like that's it like i didn't like that's the M&M album. Okay, don't listen. Like, then, you know, like, not all art is for everyone. Right, right, right, right. I thought the acolyte was rough.

But I know a lot of people really like it, and I'm not going to be upset that they liked it. I'm just going to acknowledge that it wasn't for me. Well, and I also think that there's something to acknowledge, especially if you're going to, if you're going to stick around, if you're not going to walk into a movie,

spend 10 minutes and go, this is awful and walk out. I think we can all acknowledge when something, there is something of value still there. Yeah. And the way that they always say, you know, a broken clock is right twice a day. Like, for example, watching, since I've been doing these Fox rewatches and whatnot, I put out a short of me trying to be like, name something nice about the OG Daredevil,

which a lot of people saying if you watch. Directors cut's dark. I've never seen it. Dude, there's a whole Coalio subplot. Okay. Like a big one. He's in court. It makes it.

Dude, there's like a legit decent cut. Do you own it? I do. I'll bring it next time. Okay. Bring it next time. But otherwise, just looking at the theatrical version. I'm like, some of the stuff I was like, okay, well, Jennifer Garner and Ben Affleck met each other.

Great chemistry. Colin Furrell was having fun. Michael Clark Duncan was great. It's Marvel's Green Lantern. In a way, yeah. It brought two people together. They have wonderful lives. You know, they didn't make the best movie, but they made beautiful babies.

Yep. And so I say all that to say just from the standpoint of you can find something of value in virtually all art. If it's coming from a place of actually trying to. to make art and talk about something. Again, if it's just shock value, if you're just throwing it out there, that's not necessarily the case. But if somebody's making an intentional attempt at art,

even if it is awful, I guarantee you there will be something in there, the acting, a line of dialogue, set design, something that you'll be able to find some value in it. But that's just me. I want to know what you think in the comments, both about the Rousseau's and about the boys finale. Let us know here.

Let's get it on with our next story. Also from comic book movie, there is a rumor that Robert Donnie Jr. could return as Tony Stark before becoming Dr. Doom. Could we see Robert Donny Jr. reprised the role of Tony Stark in the MCU? His return has been rumored for a while and we're now hearing that this Iron Man could undergo a villainous transformation. This is from Mark Cassidy. Rumors have been doing the rounds that Robert Donny Jr. could return as Tony Stark slash Iron Man variant in the MCU for quite a while now. and the actor himself has admitted that he would be interested in reprising his most famous role should the opportunity arise. It's just crazily in my DNA, probably the most likely-be character I've ever played,

even though he's way cooler than I am, he said in a recent interview when asked about a potential return. I become surprisingly open-minded to the idea. If Daniel Jr. suits up as Iron Man again, it will most likely be in one of the upcoming Avengers movies. But what if this new take on the armored Avenger goes down the villainous path? In his latest newsletter, Jeff Snyder. says he's heard that Downey Jr. could return in a future Avengers movie with his Stark variant ultimately transforming into Dr. Doom. Interestingly, Downey Jr. initially auditioned to play the iconic villain in 20th Century Fox's

Fantastic Four movie before he landed the role of Tony Stark in Iron Man. If this does happen, we'd say it would almost certainly be a one-and-done situation, as another actor will likely be cast as Doom in Marvel Studios, the Fantastic Four reboot. Stark's death in Avengers End game will go down as one of the most emotional and impactful moments in MCU history, movie history, honestly. And a lot of fans feel that bringing the character back in any capacity would be a mistake. Marvel Studios head, Kevin Feige echoed this sentiment when asked about the RDJ return rumors last year. We're going to keep that moment and not touch that moment again.

We all worked very hard for many years to get to that and we would never want to magically undo it in any way. Would Donnie Jr. returning as the Stark Baron who becomes Dr. Doom Count is undoing the moment? Well, in related news, Snyder also mentions that Jeremy Renner is likely to return as Clint Barton for Avengers 5 following his near fatal accident last year. Runner recently said that he was ready to return, but it sounds like it might take the right story for him to fully commit to hanging, to taking up Hawkeyes' bow and arrow again. Maybe if enough time goes by, right, I think it kind of has at this point, but also what is the point of the narrative and the story he told the Happy, Sad, Confused podcast? These are beloved characters. We did spend 23 films together essentially, as a collective. What is the reason?

What is the story? Do you have to do more after that? How do you ever resolve this? When is it ever going to feel like everyone gets a little bow? Nobody died. It feels great. What happens here? He continued.

I've got feelings about it. I think everybody does. I think the guys that died have feelings about it. All right. So you hear all that coy. And what do you think about the idea of Jeremy Renner coming back and his thoughts on on potentially doing the magic about Robert Dunney Jr.

And if it makes sense, you know, the variant rumor has been floating around for a while, but then also, you know, the idea that a variant

of his might become a version of Dr. Doom. What do you think of when you hear all that or do you rock with it? You don't like the plan. What's up? I mean,

I think that Downey's death is very impactful. I think that it's like when people are confused that Pedro Pascal is playing Reed because John Kersenski was read. We have to think about

the day-to-day audience. If you watch a show called Caps and Cows, you are probably not the day-to-day audience. Like, we are very specifically in an echo chamber of loving this stuff, being passionate about the stuff. You got to, if you're trying to make a billion dollar movie, you've got to think out the

grandmas in Idaho. You know, you've got to make sure that it's approachable. And I think that no matter whether you're someone that wouldn't get it or someone that does intellectually get it, when you see Downey Jr., in a Marvel film, you're going to think of your Iron Man. It's a different medium than comics.

Like, when you look at a comic, you go, oh, that's another universe's character. And when you look at an actor in a movie, you're not going to go like, oh, right, that's not the one. I've got a 20-year investment, too. That's clearly the very, like, your heart, the reason acting is so beautiful is you look to the soul of a performer and you connect to them as a person. That's why so many parisocial relationships exist. It's because you feel like you know this person. And so if you're going to make them someone else, it's not going to feel like someone else. And doing even more than that and trying to separate them more from Iron Man by making him doom or making him a Tony Stark very,

that turns into Doom, I think it's a little disrespectful to both characters because it can work in a comic and I understand these are based off comics and I understand that's a different thing, but that's the point is a different thing. I think that it would mess with how we bring about Doom as well as sacrificing the beauty of the Iron Man arc.

I think for me it depends on if we get a full introduction to Doom already, and then you're just, as we've seen in comics, and one person makes one different, change. Like we both are obsessed with the show community, right? So the whole alternate reality's darkest timeline type situation, one little change of, oh, Coy, will you go answer the door? And now we're on a completely different path. I don't hate that. And to me, that is what Secret Wars will ultimately be about because we're finally diving into what all these variants do

and how we get to that spot. If you make that the prominent focus of the whole thing, I'll have a little bit of a problem. But I don't hate the idea if we know who Doom is, we've seen Doom before, oh my God, Tony, this is amazing. And you buy into the false hope that Tony's back, only to find out that, like, he took his dad's, he came out of the cave, he ended up killing a slay. He stayed a warmonger.

He stayed profiteering. And so then he, but he's learned to put on the facade. The narrative rights itself, which is where I think this rumor came from. It's very thin. Like, that's what I mean? Like, it's like, well, yeah, that's easy. And that might feel gimmicky.

But I, I can understand that, but I think if you, especially knowing that we don't even know what now the fifth Avengers film is, if that is our true foray, if that's our Infinity War type situation, our foray into this idea of having all of these different heroes from these different verses in that situation,

if Tony was say, I know people hate The Last Jedi, but if Tony was essentially the Red Herring, so you think that he's actually the one that's running all of this and he's really just the being used as a smokescreen, more or less, I don't necessarily hate it because, again, then that's not, not our Tony anyway. It really is something else. If you're going to go into this multiversal

thing, you need to get to a situation where you are getting various versions and how they affect certain things. How invalidating was Ralph Boner? That's what it's going to feel like. That was invalidating because they made it straight up seem like they were actually going for it. This was actually the crossover to get us into mutants, to get us into the X-Men, to literally, like, you You know what I'm saying? That's a little different. Definitely the payoff didn't land, but none of it really worked because the whole time it was like, that's quicksilver. And I know that's the intent of the casting.

It just, it didn't feel as like, aha, as it. I guess that's my whole point. You just, I would argue that was not written well. Yeah. I would argue that that was specifically made to be a gimmick. And I'm not saying that this doesn't have gimmicky things to it. But if you're telling, as Renner was saying, you're telling a real story, if you have a real idea in mind, of what you want to do with this

and there's a point to it? Oh, sure. I mean, I would love to be proven wrong because I love Robert Downey Jr. I love Chris Evans. I would love to see a story where I'm like, man, I got two years worth of YouTube videos saying the opposite

and I'm going to have to go, you know, say like I was wrong. Like, I want to be wrong because I would love to see more Downey. I just, where I sit now, as soon as death doesn't matter in these movies, it'll be the same problem as death not mattering in the comments. But I think that's the whole point though, is that look at Gamora and look at the,

By that argument, the whole idea of bringing her back and then ultimately putting her in Guardians 3, that was a very interesting story to prove a point of people are not the same just because they look the same, just because they... If they make it the whole story, though, that was her entire story. I don't think they'll have enough time for Doom Man, you know? But I think if you attack it from a situation of, if you attack it from the idea of like, Pete all of a sudden sees him and he fully trust him, he's Tony, like he would. But then you have somebody that maybe they're like, you're being a little too paranoid,

or maybe even Cap was like, hell no. Like, because I'm assuming Steve would potentially be back. If you're going to do this. It ran my everything back. And so then Cap was like, that is not Tony Stark. And then, you know, maybe that's where people are like, okay, is he actually HydroCap? Like, that's a way you could bring Hydro Cap into that. I know people don't love that either.

But like, if we're just going to explore all these different options, I could see that that's a way that you dive into it. It's like, it's Tony Stark, dude. How do you not trust Tony Stark? I think it's all but certain that it's going to be. an element of Secret Wars part one and two. Like whether or not it's going to be called that, I think it will effectively be two films

kind of like what you're saying with Infinity War and Endgame. I think this five and six is going to be that. So that's maybe you set up the first film to be like all the multiversal stuff and maybe you set it up as soon as Deadpool and Wolverine. But then you land with Secret Wars like, you know, being that battle world, Doom elements and all those things.

But if you introduce Doom, if you introduce Doom in Deadpool and Wolverine, then you get what, three appearances before there's a variant? I really just don't think we're there yet. It'll be interesting to see. We're very curious what you think about the whole situation. Do you think that this could potentially work with that happening? Do you not like the idea of Tony being due? Because I don't think he needs to be doomed. Like I mean, you could, if you want to use the name, you could. I think just the idea of an evil Tony, I don't have a problem with

that. If they want to say in that world, he takes on that moniker, sure, but I think just the idea of an evil Tony, especially when you consider in a lot of ways, with the exception of the magic part, Tony and I know they always say that Doom and Reed. Yeah, but Tony's, I mean, the three of them are two sides of a coin. They are for sure. I think Doom's the middle. I think Doom ends up being more like Tony both from the warmonger element and from like the technology he built. So his Doom bots is suit like all that.

You know what I'm saying? So like to me, Doom always felt like if Tony and Dr. Strange had a baby. 100%. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's just that as far as intellectual level, Doom is on the level just below Reed. Yeah. And that's the only difference.

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James Gunn's Superman reboot wrapped filming in Cleveland yesterday, and crews are now setting up to begin shooting in Cincinnati at the historic Union Terminal building. When we first heard that the movie would be shooting in Cincinnati fans immediately speculated the building would factor into the plot in some capacity as it was the inspiration for the Justice League's headquarters in the comics. Will the Union Terminal actually double for the Hall of Justice in the film? We don't know for certain,

but with the Manistale joining forces with several other huge. heroes, there's always a chance that an early incarnation of Justice League or the J-L-I will be formed. So far, the only actor to be spotted on set is Edie Gith... How do I say that? Eddie Githagi. Eddie Gathagi. Okay. So far, the only actor to be spotted on set is Eddie Gathadi, Mr. Terrific.

But we should get to see some more revealing photos when filming officially gets underway tomorrow. In related news, Gunn has confirmed that we will not get a first look at some. some footage from Superman at San Diego Comic-Con next week. D.C. Studios is not expected to have much of a presence at the event, so this isn't too surprising. Although we have seen sizzle reels of movies that

were still shooting at Comic-Con in the past. Superman also stars David Cornswet as Clark Kent slash Superman, Nicholas Hold is Lex Luthor, Nathan affiliate is Guy Gardner and Isabella Merced as Hawk Girl. Bloddy Blue. We're still not sure exactly how these other superheroes were factored in the story, but

Gunn has previously revealed that Superman's dual life as both Carcan and Man of Steel will be explored in the film, suggesting that these characters will be his super friends, whether they're actually be part of a team or not remains to be seen. So, Coy, again, I will toss it to you, my friend, you know, hearing about Cincinnati and the potential Hall of Justice, you know, what are your immediate thoughts? Like, because we've talked about the idea that maybe the Justice League

sort of existed without a Superman, and maybe they've lost their way because there's under some corporate greed. Does this kind of read into you as well? I mean, I think the outfits made that, to me, pretty clear they're going to be very much Vought employees, right? Like they're working for a guy that's a corporation. They all have matching outfits. And then Superman comes along and shows them, you know,

truth, justice, the American way. I would love if the Hall of Justice was represented by its, like, original intent. I think it's adorable. I think it's, I mean, if you want to look at the heart of Superman, what hasn't James Gunn done? And the movie's not even out yet. I mean, this is a slight spoiler, I guess.

His photos on set with the son of Christopher Reeve. Like, they literally are going to every bit of the heart of the character. You go to where the character's from, you use inspiration from the original intent of Justice League. Like, I think that's all really special. And I think we just talked a lot about art having to come from a place of intent. And I think that there's nothing more beautiful than, hey, when they designed this build, they use this building. What if we use that building? Like, that's really special. So, I don't know.

I think this is a really good sign that we're going to get something really special. Yeah, no, I agree with you. I think what this means to me more than anything is it really is the indicator for people to be quiet. And I think, I mean that in the sense of...

Every indicator is that people... I mean that in the sense that everybody that was hating on gun and like, oh, he's just, you know, he just always puts his friends and things and he didn't know what he's doing and I don't trust him. I think he's showing proof that he knows his history. He's said this multiple times about how much this stuff means to him, especially Superman.

He's brought that up multiple times with his father, right? Yeah. And he said no to doing it until he found, like, his way in. I think at the end of the day, like, some people aren't worth listening to. Like, I think we just need to accept, like, if that's something else art teaches you, if you don't think it albums for you, it's not for you. If you don't think of movies for you, it's not for you. If you don't think of persons for you, block.

No, and that's totally fair. I think it's one of those things that like there'll be conversations all the time about Eminem we talked about earlier. Taylor Swift, Beyonce, they would be like, oh, they're trash. No, like Koi said, they just not may be for you and to try and say that their artistry

isn't actually very good when you could objectively look at it and go with the musicality or the lyrics or what it's done for enough people to buy tickets to whatever said show, there is still some value in it and especially if they are showing you, they show the work

in that they genuinely get it. And that is what I've seen at a gun every time. You may not like his style of humor or the way he does films, but to act like he doesn't know how to build a world. He doesn't know how to give a nod and pay attention to canon and build his own at the same time

and have that merry together. I think that is just your own, for people that really are hating that much, not just on him, but on any of the artists I just mentioned or any of the artists of world, that's your own personal bias coming into play versus,

is acknowledging somebody being good at what they're doing. And I think now that everyone's a critic, that's even more prevalent. Like, people just, you know, yelling into the void. But I had a really interesting moment last week with Twisters. Amazing. Twisters is so good. But I had an interesting moment where I'm not usually a country music guy.

And there's a lot of country music in that because it takes place in Oklahoma. And it takes place like around people that are cowboys for Twisters. And I was vibing with country music. And I'm like usually, I'm not against it because I'm not ignorant, but I'm not like someone that listens to it. Sure. I went home and listened to tons of country music. and for the first time I had a connection,

but it's because I found a connection through a movie I loved, and I think it would have been dumb of me if I had spent the last five years being like, ah, Luke Combs or whoever. But that's what people are doing with this, and that's exhausting because it's, it's just, like, there's only so many hours in the day.

I think a lot of people always say, like, you got the same number of hours in the day as the Rock. How does he get so much done? I think we should think the same of how we spend time with people. There are too many people on the planet, and there's also clones. Clones? Is that the Rock does it? Clones.

Clones, is just the Rock and the Pebble and the Boulder. It's just a lot of. A lot of Dwayne Johnson. Shadow clones, Shadow clones. Shadow clones usually. We got a whole new audience in the comments right now. You got,

you just, that UAP audience is like, wait, I got something to say. People act like there isn't a Super Satan 2 go hon chilling right over there. I'm just acknowledging what we're bringing in. But I think it's the same with enough hours of the day

to get all the stuff you need to done is also because you really need to curate what you're spending your time on. Like, it's the same number of hours is just like, why you want Twitter? No, I, which is that me. That's literally to yourself. No, no, no.

No, that wasn't me. I wish I could zoom in more, but it'll mess all the shots up. Why you on Twitter? But I, no, I genuinely agree. I think that sometimes you just need an in for a particular version and stuff like that to do it. But no, I think that Gunn is giving a lot of respect and a lot of credence to Superman to the lore, to D.C. in general, he's taking his time and he's doing it right. So if it comes out that the movie is bad, and then that's a real conversation we can have, I mean, I really hope that it isn't, both for the sake of,

I genuinely love D.C., so I want them to do well. It's good for both Marvel and D.C. if both are on their peas and cues, because then you're pushing each other the way the Lakers and the Celtics used to push each other all the time. I understood that, right. But then also just the idea of we know that, I don't know if I already said this because it's ADHD brain, but just the idea that Warner Brothers is in trouble,

and this is kind of their life. That split, man? We've been hearing about that? I mean, not only did they find. like, you know, hell of staff, but that might split to two companies. Back to Warner Brothers and Discovery? Yep. Jeez. As of this morning, there's talks of split. Like, so they got rid of like

a lot of employees and... Oh boy, I got to call some people I know that work. Yeah. So, I mean, they need this. They don't want this. Like, this is in need. Like, that company isn't... So, I mean, for the sake of filmmaking, I want this to do well, but for the sake of my love of the character, I'm really excited at the heart that seems to be imbued in every frame. No, absolutely. And if we're ever going to finally get our Marvel,

versus DC crossover. Both companies have to exist. They both have to be doing well. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like the last thing you want is to go into an all-star game and the NL is trash and the AL is great and they just get blown out of the water. That's not fun.

No. And you got to care about both sets of characters. That means it's going to work at all. You got to care. But again, tell us what you think about Superman. Moving it to Cincinnati, we're actually going to keep it here with Superman because there is a very interesting person who already dawns the cow just not in the way that you think.

He apparently tried to do it. in a physical manner. So the boys star Jack Quaid reveals he auditioned for the title role in James Gunn's Superman reboot. The boy star Jack Quaid has confirmed he auditioned for the role in the DCUs made of tomorrow in Superman, but it doesn't sound like he got too far despite playing the hero in an animated TV series. Josh Wilding. While the boys put Jack Quaid, the son of Dennis Quaid, and Meg Ryan on the map, the actor has proven that there's more to him than just Huey,

thanks to memorable performances in the likes of Scream, Oppenheimer. and Star Trek lower decks. He also joined the DC Universe in recent years as the voice of the Man of Steel and Adult Swims popular My Adventures with Superman. The show has exceeded expectations since launching, and Quaid is frequently praised for his take on the hero. Unfortunately, that wasn't enough to secure him

the title role in DC Studios and James Gunn's live action Superman reboot. Talking to Josh Horowitz, Quaid confirmed he auditioned but admitted to not getting particularly far in the process. I think everyone did, he says, in a video. If you fit a bill, it's like just one of those things. I didn't get very far at all.

I put myself on tape and it went nowhere. And that's fine. We know that feeling. That's such a funny. Like, I love that he's like, yeah, of course. I am reading for this role of this role that I fit for it. Everyone's going on for this. Bro, I auditioned for both.

White Man Can't Jump that reboot as the trash can dude, like the one of the trash bag. And I auditioned for Axel Foley for the Beverly Hills Cop. Yeah, yeah. same thing. It happens. Sometimes you do stuff and you put out a tape and you start going deep in the process. I don't miss it. Sometimes you throw the tape out there and they're like, who the, I respect that you still, like, because that's, that's the heart part, but you actually book stuff. I didn't book stuff after, like, I had a good run and then it's, then it dried up and I was like, I don't like being

told no anymore. Plus, like, I kept going out against Glenn Powell, that beautiful beast. That's the problem. Yeah, no, no, me and Glenn went out, like, the reason I know Glenn is because we auditioned against each other enough. I love that man and the better man won. That's fair. The only person I could think of that his superstar status that I would, but I wouldn't really be competing with because bigger stature,

darker than me and a better actor is, oh my God, I forgot his name after doing all of that build up. You're like he's a movie star. No, he really is. Oh my God, Atlanta. Tom Hanks. Atlanta. Brian Tyree Henry? Thank you.

Just if you're looking at just like physical appearance, He's a significantly better actor, and he's a different shade than me, so we're not actually really going out. No, literally, like, me and Glenn, I think the last thing we went out against each other was Dark Night Rises, and I got, like, I was one of Baines Hinchman, and he's, like, in the thing. But it was really funny when I was like,

He was the Wall Street dude that Bain takes out. I was literally one of Bain's henchman, and he got to be taken out by Boney. I don't even remember that that was him. No, no, no, no, no, I know. I'm about to go rewatch that. Young, Glenn. Didn't notice.

Ten year overnight success, that guy. Let's finish reading the story. Glenn Powell episode of Cates and Cowles. We just finished reading the story. That's how much I'm thinking about Twisters. God damn it. I'm just thinking about Twisters. Be quiet.

I'm going to cut your mic off. You know what? You muted. Okay. It's totally cool specifically. Okay. Let's try again. As for how he feels about missing out on the role of a lot of time he added, it's

totally cool specifically because I actually know David and Corn sweat a little bit. We did a pilot years ago that never went anywhere, but he's one of those people you meet and you go, yeah, whenever they need another Superman, it's probably going to be him. That guy is Superman. Unsurprisingly, Quaid had hoped that voice in the Man of Steel on television might go some way to giving him a leg up. However, we've already seen how that sort of history won't necessarily go to sway gun because the Tomorrow versus animated Supergirl McDonnelly missed out on playing the woman of tomorrow to Millie Alcock.

I remember getting that audition to me like, yes, I'm the voice of Superman in a cartoon, but I don't think I really fit the bill physically, and that's fine. it's totally cool. He later acknowledged, despite being 6'1 and corn sweat, however, six foot four. Do you think that Jack Quaid would have been a good Superman coy? I love Jack, dude. I think Jack, you know, you give him 60 pounds of muscle. I think he's a great Clark Kent. I think he's, I think Superman, the show proves he'd be a great Superman. But it's not necessarily the Superman that we envisioned for the James Gunnverse that he's building. And I think that's the same thing I'd say about Henry Cavill. Like we have a lot of association with Henry Cavill,

and it's just, if you're starting from your universe and starting from your scratch, you should cast your Superman. So I think my adventures of Superman take is amazing. It's the most Superman has felt like Superman to me in years, and that's because of Jack Quaid's performance, along with the great writing. But I don't think that necessarily fits what he's building,

and I also don't know if Jack wanted to put on 60 pounds. Like, I don't know if Jack would want to spend three a days at the gym for the next four months. Well, the problem is, on top of that, you got to remember the whole first chance. chair situation because I don't know how long ago he was auditioning but the boys would still be first chair so how are you going to write Huey out? Because Huey all of a sudden

can't show him and be like, I'm a ticket, a homelander. Like that's not. Chris Pratt did it. Chris Pratt stopped eating one thing. Remember the line tonight and Parks and Rec, or he's like, how'd you lose all that way? He's like, no, stop drinking beer. And they like didn't ever acknowledge it again. But I thought that was for the final season and the final season took place in the future. You know, remember?

No, he was in the present and the future. It was like the penultimate season. I would have said Jack Way just took compound V. Okay, okay. Compound V Superman. Okay, but then the way that, they did that and that makes more sense because I get that the boys really has gone their complete own way from the comic at this point but Huey is still still a lot of element

versus Andy isn't necessarily so what they did is they put him in London so that they shot it was. They shot a bunch of like random episodes of him in London and that was so he could go do Guardians. And then once they he was kind of wrapped they brought him back into Pawnee and so I don't know how you write Huey out like that.

Compound V man. Huey took it and then he got addicted and now he's yoked. Either way, I I think it's funny that, I think it's funny that Jack Quaid auditioned saying that a lot of people did. I think it's funny that that might have been why the Megan Donnelly conversation was so prevalent because it would have been exciting. And James Gunn has said over and over again, his animated voices are his video game voices, are his live action voices.

So I think there is merit. Absolutely. I just think that we have a great Jack Quaid Superman already. So if it doesn't fit, like, I think this, and I don't know the writer, but I think it's funny, the writer's like, I'm going to make sure this is a whole story. I'm going to bring up Jack's parents. Like, it's just such a weird thing that we. put certain people in these positions of like,

I made a flippant statement and my parents were successful. Now it's an article. You know who I think he would have been better for? But remind me if this character's already been cast. I know we obviously have Hamirayez, but do we have a Ted Cord? Oh, I like that. Because I think him as a Ted Cord would actually be pretty great. And so on top of the fact, the number,

a lot of people don't necessarily know this. A lot of times you will go and audition for the main role of something. And that's being used not only to consider you for the main role, but you have an entire world to build out, whether in that movie or in a universe, and that it sets you up. There was somebody else that that happened, that that was a pretty famous story.

I love that Chadwick auditioned for Drax, and then he did it. But I love that Chadwick auditioned for drags, but then he did it with the Wakanda exit. Like, it was clear to Chadwick Bozeman. He's like, I know what this is. And then crushed,

and that's why, you know, one of the most incredible performances ever. But I love that he knew. He's like, I see these drag sides. I know what I'm going out for, what I want. But there was another one that's,

that's bothering me. That's like very favorite. that they went out for it and they were like absolutely not but here's this other thing you say hold on we're going to do a slight pause for a second while i looked this up um i feel oh duh no no that that triggered my memory it wasn't it wasn't felton and so they're saying uh felton went up for harry potter and got drako balfoy uh it wasn't even oh this one too that one's huge because that was the trilogy this one too so uh killian murphy went out for batman and got scarecrow but that wasn't it it was um tom hildleston going out for thor Oh, yeah. And the fact that they were like, hell no. But we got a guy. But she'd be a great Loki. And that to me, apart from Robert Downey Jr.

might actually be the best casting at the MCU I've ever done. 100%. 100%. Totally agree. I don't, like, it doesn't mean that you didn't get it right with pretty much everybody else. You did. You did it exceptionally well. But I cannot think of a casting in the MCU that was more spot on. Yeah.

Outside of Robert Downey Jr. With Tom Hiddleston as Loki. He has absolutely owned it, made it fully synonymous with this. It's why the character is still in the MCU. It's because of Tom Hiddleston. Like that character could have been just the Avengers villain. Like put him in The Woolworth, put him in Avengers, okay, thanks. Like, he's in.

And giving us the reminder, most of the time we hate Loki in the comics, but there is plenty of times where we see him and we genuinely have empathy for him. And for him to understand that not every actor would be able to necessarily pull that off. Yeah. And we genuinely had empathy for him and what he was doing and whatnot. to the point that he became essentially an anti-hero. Yeah, and the comics to reflect his role. Like, the comics make Loki more likable because of Tom Hiddleston.

Also, I think if Jack Quaid was my height, he'd be a great Jimmy Olson. But then that'd be kind of typecasting, because that's pretty much like a Huey parallel. But as far as Superman goes, if he was like, you know, much shorter, it'd be a good Jimmy. Yeah, well, what do you guys think about the idea of Jack Quaid missing out on being Superman? Let us know.

Okay, real quick, let's see. We had a story here about Scarlett and the legal battle with Disney. It felt very unprofessional. Back in 2021, Black Widow star Scarlett Johansson fought a lawsuit against Walt Disney, saying that they breach contract when Marvel Studios released a movie on Disney Plus in theaters at the same time. Apparently, Black Widow had been guaranteed an exclusive theatrical release when she originally signed under reprise the role as Natasha Romanov in the Kate Shortland prequel film. Flammity of the Moon Star also came that Disney was aware

that making the movie available to stream would dissuade theater audiences, but did it anyway, knowingly and intentionally. The situation was exacerbated when Disney issued a response really after the news of the filing broke, calling the lawsuit sad and distressing and a callous disregard for the horrific and prolonged global events of COVID-19. During an interview with The New York Times, Johansen was asked about the lawsuit and her current relationship with Disney. I don't know how to grudge she responded. I think it was just poor judgment and poor leadership at the time. It just felt very unprofessional to me the entire ordeal.

And honestly, I was incredibly disappointed, especially because I was holding out, hope until finally my team was like, you have to act. While Johansson is unlikely to return as Natasha Romanov, though a multiversal variant is always an option, she is still producing an upcoming project for Marvel Studios, which is rumored to be a blonde Phantom Disney Plus series. Okay, the rest of this is just her talking about that. So just super quick. I mean, I honestly think that I don't blame her for doing that.

I also don't blame it in the situation that at the time. time when we were there. I get why leadership was doing that, but there is a point at which it's why Nolan walked away from WB, why Villeneuve was furious with Dune is that there were no talks. You didn't pick up the phone and go, look, this is what we're thinking we need to do to try and save the companies of studios, this entertainment, et cetera, et cetera. And if that's the case, do some sort of renegotiation. You just, carte blanche made it because it's like, well, it's mine. And it ignored a lot of contracts. So I do not blame all of these artists for being like, so you don't actually care.

You generally don't care. And to be honest with you, I think led to what became such, maybe not so much with the directors because they signed that crap like two seconds in. But why the strikes went as hard as they did? The studios showed their hand before contracts and negotiations that they genuinely don't care. Yeah. And they're only out for themselves.

And so that spawned a lot of people to be like, well, I'm not going to let you do that again. So I don't blame Scarlett for doing that. What are your thoughts? I mean, I think it's another example of if you have money, there are no rules. like, you know, we're seeing it every day in our real lives, we're seeing it more and more

in the entertainment industry. As long as you got money, what's a contract? So to me, it was just the studios being like, well, you know, we said we do this thing, but what if we didn't? And, you know, the people that are at the top made money and the people that are trying to, you know, eat.

And that's always tricky with actors because there's this weird perception that, you know, because in the 90s and 2000s, it was all these talks of $20 million deals that actors are rich. Most aren't. And if you are, you've got a team of 20. So you're paying out a lot of that money.

And like, it's crazy that you can have a contract that is as big as what Black Widow is to the MCU and still be pushed aside. So I think it's more of a precedent setting. I'm sure Scarlett Johansson's fine. I'm not saying she's someone. But I am acknowledging that the character had been around that long and they still just threw it out on the streaming. That's so disrespectful to the character, to the fans, to the actress, to her team. So I'm glad there was a conversation. And I'm glad that everyone, to their credit, landed with, hey, let's work.

together again, not you shouldn't have sued us. Like, I, you know, the top of this was me saying, like, I can't believe they did that. But I do want to acknowledge, much like the boys, that as long as it ends well and you learn from each other and you seek not to be villains, then now we have a new precedent and they're continuing their relationship. And I think that's all for the best. So that's it. The only other thing that we were going to talk about is apparently grown men,

we're crying when they saw Hugh Jackman in the suit. You grown men. What's wrong with you? I said what I said. Okay, so since Coy's got a going, Koi, tell him where they can find you. I'll find me at Koijandro all over the YouTube as well as Twitter, Instagram, and all that stuff. But YouTube just did a bunch of Deadpool and Mulvreen stuff

leading up to Deadpool and Wolverine next week. I cannot believe it's next week. Also, hot take. I think they're going to announce Avengers 5 and Avengers 6 directors as the Russo's, but I think that the events of Deadpool and Wolverine might allow for an Avengers versus X-Men title. So I'm going to be curious if that's what Avengers 5

ends up being as a set-up for Secret Wars. Because I could see Secret Wars being a sequel to Avengers versus X-Men because you could use the Fox X-Men, make it multiversal, setting up Secret Wars. That'd be an interesting thing to do. So that's my hot take of the week. That is going to do it for me, but please help me down on YouTube for more crazy takes. Yeah, I'll do this quick because I got to cut, coin, get them out of here.

You can find me here on YouTube as well at the Swaggy Blurton and on all the platforms, man. I've been doing my marks for a little Fox Marvel rewatches and whatnot. I will have a lot of Deadpool and Wolverine content next week as we will go to the screener and all that. So you definitely want to check that out. And remember, here on Capes and Cals, we'll be doing a non-spoiler next Friday. We'll be doing a spoiler the following Monday after everybody's had a chance to see the movie. so don't miss any of that. So we're going to get out of here, man.

Thank you so much for watching this episode of Caps and Cows. And, yeah, show a little class. Do we still say that? We just did. Okay, great. Peace.