The Kristian Harloff Show - Robert Pattinson Being Eyed For Villain Of Dune Messiah?!

Episode Date: April 9, 2025

Robert Pattinson Being Eyed For Villain Of Dune Messiah?! | Kristian Harloff Show On today's episode of The Kristian Harloff Show, Kristian is joined by John Rocha and Sean Chandler to break down some of the biggest movie and TV news of the week! Is The Batman star Robert Pattinson about to step into the sci-fi world of Dune Messiah as the mysterious villain Scytale? We dive into the reports and what it could mean for Denis Villeneuve's upcoming sequel. Other topics on the show include: Emma Thompson reportedly being eyed for a key role in The Hunger Games: Sunrise on the Reaping. Jesse Plemons rumored for a major Star Wars villain in Shawn Levy's upcoming film. Set leaks and speculation from Avengers: Doomsday, plus Marvel drops a wild Wolverine ASMR video for Stress Awareness Month. A new Andor Season 2 TV spot has dropped along with official air dates – the final season is coming fast. And yes, you read that right — a live-action Hershey's Chocolate film is officially in the works! Don't forget to like and subscribe for all the latest updates in the world of film, television, and geek culture! #DuneMessiah #RobertPattinson #StarWars #AvengersDoomsday #HungerGames #Andor #MCU #KristianHarloffShow #SeanChandler #JohnRocha OUR Sponsors: If you're 21+, try VIIA during their annual SPRING 420 SALE for Black Friday-level savings up to 35% OFF site wide! Go to https://viia.co/KRISTIAN and use code KRISTIAN! FAST GROWING TREES: This Spring FGT has the best deals, for your yard, up to half off on select plants and other deals. And listeners to our show get FIFTEEN PERCENT OFF their first purchase when using the code BIGTHING at checkout. http://www.fastgrowingtress.com VIIA: Try VIIA! https://viia.co/KRISTIAN and use code KRISTIAN! FACTOR: Get started at http://www.factormeals.com/kristian50off and use code kristian50off to get 50 percent off plus FREE shipping on your first box. 

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Happy Hump Day, happy Wednesday. Welcome to the Christian Harloff show. So much going on in the world of entertainment on today. There are just tons of stories, big casting rumors, major franchises. We've got to dive into all of this stuff here. Andor reveals its air dates and its episode times here, which are pretty amazing. The Predator animated movie dropped its trailer. You know that Jeff on the hot mic revealed the time.

title for that one, this and more. Plus, we've got a really awesome co-host for the show today. I can't wait to bring him on and talk about all of this stuff on the Christian Harlov show. So let's not waste any time. Let's just get into it. Here we go. Yeah. What's up, everybody? Welcome to the Christian Harlov show. I am the outlaw, John Roker, sitting in for my buddy of years and tears, Christian Harlov here, the old Seminole buddies hanging out. And today I'm very excited because we've got a lot of stuff to talk about. The news is just piling up here as we walk into, well, we're already in spring, but summer movie season is somewhat underway, but it's really going to start kicking off here along with we've got Last of Us this weekend. We've got Andor coming real soon.

We've got so much happening in the world of film and entertainment. And look, there's a lot of great topics here. I can't do it on my own. So I'm very excited to welcome to the show. I don't know if it's for the first time or not, but it's my first time working with him. He's someone you guys know you follow the movies, Pundit Speer at all, a guy who's really been incredible to watch his rise to the point that he now on his show, on his channel, Sean Chandler talks about. He is at 295,000 subscribers. I recently watched his interview with Christopher Landon for the film Drop that's coming out here. And that is the great Sean Chandler. How are you, Sean?

I am very excited to be here. So I am doing wonderful right now. I'm always in the mood to talk movies way too much. I got to talk about something, though, real quick with you, man. How do you get the hair to look this good? How do you get the skin to look so? I mean, like, you've got to talk about. You should do a whole video about your skin treatment and your hair treatment, for God's sakes.

I was on the news this morning, so I did wake up nice and early, ice my eyes, put the mask on with the vitamin C to make the skin glow. And, yeah, experimented with all the products to find the ones that make me look really nice. And, you know, use the camera just right to get the right. glow with everything like that. Exactly. But I appreciate it. No, really, you got to do the 4 a.m. wake up like that. You got to go viral with your own video about how you get ready for these things. That'd be very funny. There very much is a whole process to get ready. Beyond camera, you see me rough out of bed sometimes through the trailer reactions. My eyes are swollen.

Two different Sean Chandler's to paste up, depending on if you get the full routine or not. I've been there, man. If I've got a hat on, I haven't showered. I've got a hat on. I haven't shower. That's the way I mean. Exactly. That's the key for me. But we are very excited to have you on the show, Sean. Tell, I mean, people who might not know where you talk a little bit about like your channel and what you do on your channel and like some of the and your journey just just for a few minutes or a couple of minutes if you don't mind here. Yeah. I mean, I'm just like everyone watching right now that I went to the internet because I loved movies. And back a decade ago, I was watching movie talk in the AMC and Collider Days with Campia, you, you, you. yourself, Harloff, all those people. And I went, hey, I wonder if I could do that too. And started up a YouTube channel and just kept pressing ahead, iterating, experimenting, and just trying to get better and better. And I feel like the luckiest guy alive, because now the thing that was my hobby,

that I was just like all of you watching, and now I get to do it for a living, which is incredible to be here on this show. It means so much to me. So I'm very honored to be here. And also, dreams do come true. If you're wondering, thinking about starting a channel, give it a try. You never know what could happen. Oh, I know.

You're fantastic as well because on one of the other channels, you talk about a step-by-step process. You have numerous videos, a step-by-press, a step-by-step process, encouraging people how to start their channels. I'm going to have to take a look at those, you know, because as someone just pointed out in the comments, I'm still stuck on 37,000. So I'm a slow mover. I'm not as quick as some of you all, but maybe there are tips in those videos that I'm not doing. and it might be great for me as well. But for anybody starting out, certainly watch Sean's videos.

They're really great primers for what to do. But we're not here just to kiss Sean's ass. We're here also to talk about entertainment news and entertainment stuff. But remember people, super chats are super important here on the Christian Harlov. Shaw, Roxy had 103 yesterday. We've got a special guest. I think we should break 103 super chats. So start sending him in and we'll answer them on the tail end of the show.

Anything you want to ask about, anything you want to know for me and Sean. Anything you want to know for these topics and want to make comments on, please send them in as we go along. Remember to subscribe and remember to hit a like on the video and leave comments if you're watching this later or as we're going along in the chat. So, Sean, let's not waste any time because, as I said, we got so much to get into here. So let's bring up the first story here. And that one's got to do with a little man named Robert Pattinson. And this is not going to cause any drama at all. I don't think when we talk about it, you know, it has no connective tissues to any other bigger franchises.

but here we go. So this is the story here on Dark Horizons, the Batman and Mickey 17 star Robert Pattinson. I'm going to make this a little bit bigger here. I don't have Christians full setup yet. Here we go. It's reportedly circling the role of the main villain for Deni Villeneuve's upcoming Dune Messiah at Warner Brothers Pictures.

And legendary, according to T.HR, the actor is reportedly looking at a role with speculation being it's the character of Slalek-Su face known as Side Tale from Frank Herbert's books. Apologies to anybody who knows to accurate and play on those because I do not. According to the trade, no offer has been made to Pattinson, who is currently filming Christopher Nolan's The Odyssey in a role

rumored over the weekend to be that of the Greek gods herald Hermes, though recent set photos have brought this in the question. Patton, of course, has commitments to Matt Reeves, the Batman part two, which is aiming to shoot before the end of the year. So if he does, Messiah, he'll have to squeeze the project in between Odyssey and Batman.

Do you, Messiah is currently on track to film this summer, published in 1969, Messiah kicks off events 12 years after those of Dune with Paul Atreides, ruling as emperor, married to Princess Irulan, who is of course played by Florence Pugh, while maintaining a relationship with his concubine, Chani, played by Zendaya, who I doubt

she will be described as a concubine in that movie. Forces blood against him, including the Benetilix and arcane xenophobic sect of genetic manipulators who traffic in biological products. Face dancers are genetically engineered servants with the ability to mimic any human. The recent Dune Part 2 brought in 714.6 million globally.

Dune Messiah is expected hit theaters on December 18th of 2026. So, Sean, you hear this news. Where does your, well, sorry, where does your mind? Here we go. Oh, here we go. Where does your mind go with this stuff when you hear this news of Robert Pattinson? Well, there's several different directions you can go, whether you talk about what does this mean for the production of Batman 2.

but the one where I go with it is just how this guy has managed his career because he does Twilight 15 years ago and really got kind of pigeonholed into oh teen heartthrob part of the most ridiculous franchise but he spent a decade working on his indie credibility yeah and so the people in the industry know this guy can actually act he's not just twilight sparkling vampire guy he can act and he reached a point timer he goes all right time for the mainstream and you look at the last few years he's just collecting the biggest directors and Reeves, Nolan, Villeneuve, and part of these big franchises, that's a really nicely handled career. And so if you, once you get past Twilight, he obviously is incredibly talented and the best directors see that. So whatever they're going to do, I don't, I haven't read Dune Messiah, so I don't know how to pronounce the guy's name either. But if they're excited for him, I'm excited for him.

But also like, there's all these things that feel like warning signs like, is Batman too in trouble? Is this thing going to collapse? They got delayed again? What's going on? Yeah. Well, another thing to think about, too, here, Sean, is this, if this happens, this is going to be a reunion between Chalemay and Pattinson yet again,

because if people didn't watch The King on Netflix, which is a version of Henry V, Shakespeare play, Patinson played the Do Fon, who is the French rival to King Henry, which is Chalemay's character. And they were incredible in that movie. It's definitely a one you can rewatch multiple times to really enjoy two fantastic young actors at a certain moment in their career. And so the fact that they're coming together again with Florence Pugh, I mean, these are three phenomenal actors now who are really establishing themselves as awards contenders and developing a track record of incredible performances, whether they be, as you said, in independent movies or in franchise films. Right.

And that's what's kind of fun when you have those actors that aren't just doing big blockbusters and they're good enough that when they do a blockbuster, it's the ones that have credibility to them. that you like you these are the directors that you patinsen's doing the odyssey like this is the the real deal yeah and you know especially in his case where you know twilight had just especially people my age twilight has such a stink to it which they made something for teenagers that's fine yeah one project that he did and and he worked hard to earn the right to be taken seriously right and i'm glad that it's finally paying off for him yeah and this is multiple franchises as you said because you've got twilight you've got even harry potter people forget he's in harry potter you've got the batman stuff if this if this comes through you've got uh you've got dune there's a lot that he's collecting

on both sides of the fence but one of those of course is the batman so how do we look at this because obviously clearly we're both on the same side this is exciting if he's really going to be cashed as the villain and dune is going to be fun to see that that's how you get more butts and seats these great actors coming into it but the batman part two is supposed to be later you're supposed to be later this year. And as the article points out, he'd have to shove in his time on the set of Dune in between these two other projects. So what do you think? What's your feelings on this? Is this now moving towards the Batman part two being delayed again? Or do you think this is much to do about nothing because the social media has been blown up about this a little

bit? But I thought I read an article yesterday that Batman had been delayed by six months again. Oh, yeah. So yeah. And so like there's, There's already something there where it's like, wait a minute, that was pushed back and he's looking to take another big role. Not a small little thing. This is a major event film with a big director as the villain that both comes with the filming time for that as well as all of the stuff that comes afterwards. And if that's what he's throwing in there, it seems like, okay, this thing's not ready. And it's the same studio. Right.

So it's like people that are in the same no, Warner Brothers are like, okay. we want to keep this guy in our in our house. Yeah. So let's put him in Dune. What does that mean for Batman? It just feels like there's, there hasn't been any encouraging news about the Batman part two in years. Like everything is,

well, the scripts, we're working on it. Yeah. And it's just discouraging. The report you're referencing came from Nexus Point News. And they said they now state that it will, the Batman part two won't begin filming until early 2026 at the earliest.

Now there is no official statement. I don't think from the studio themselves, but you bring up an excellent point. The fact that it's the same studio, they know that they're pushing it, and because they're pushing it, they want to reward their main actor, Robert Pattinson, with something.

So now possibly this is something they've done to fill in the time where he normally would have been shooting the Batman part two. He'll now come on possibly as the villain in this Dune film and still be under the tent, as you say. But it's really curious because you look at this and you wonder, Why all the delays on this movie? And then recently James Gunn plucking Colin Farrell out of the Matt Reeves verse to put him into his verse for Sergeant Rock.

So it's just a lot of curious moves going on behind the scenes with all of this stuff. And do you think we're going to get any clarity on this? Do you think we won't get clarity until after Superman comes out? And we see how it does. At the moment, it's starting to feel like maybe that's what's happening here, that enough time passed. that they didn't get forward momentum on Batman Part 2 that they went, well, let's just see

if we need to go all in on James Gunn or if we need to hedge our bets. Yeah. And when you're just a couple months away, you start feeling like, why would we hard commit to something when we're still at the point where we can pull the plug?

Yeah, yeah. And that's what it, especially now it feels that way because there's just been no update, there's only been delays. Yeah. And it feels like Warner Brothers is doing this with a lot of the DCU of they want to see how people respond to this movie.

Does it get the numbers they're hoping for? Is it kind of moderate? Or is it actual big disappointment and decide from there where they're going to start throwing $200 million and what we're going to like hard greenlight move forward on? But it certainly feels like Warner Brothers is going, okay, let's just wait. We'll see what happens. And then we'll start throwing our money around. I mean, yeah, you hear these reports about Dulac and Abdi, possibly,

being on the chopping block. Then, of course, they're crowing like crazy after the experience after the success of the Minecraft movie. So now it becomes a little more, it becomes more muddier. Then you hear all this stuff about how the Batman part two is getting delayed, delayed, delayed, and then rumors that Pattinson is actually, they're trying to figure out how to get him into the James Gunverse of DC. How is that going to work? Tonal shifts, all of those conversations. And then you're right. I mean, there's a lot of pushback on this Superman movie after that sneak peek. It certainly wasn't my favorite, but I think a lot of people did like it. So you're seeing that it's not getting this universal crazy buzz

necessarily. And it almost feels like it's lining up to be another one of these cultural touchpoint battle movies that we've seen recently. Sean, doesn't it feel that way when people on the right are already grabbing onto this and trying to destroy it and beginning the process of this? Yeah. It's frustrating that that's what the space is turned into when everything's a battle. And this one's extra tricky because of the weird Snyderverse type stuff. I'm a big Zach Snyder fan. I'm a big fan of Henry Cavill and Zach Snyder's DC movies. But then there's that side to it that's like the what we would call it the cult mindset.

That's like that's their whole world of movies as Henry Cavill is Superman. And so there's people are angry about this before they've seen a frame of it. And suddenly people hate James Gunn. It's like, where's this come? Didn't we like James Gun until five minutes ago? I don't understand where this is coming from. And then Superman is just one of these characters that he's been around so long that everyone has connected with a different version of Superman. Or even in the last 20 years, 30 years, there have been so many TV shows and people love Smallville where they love Superman and Lois.

And that's what they connected to or they connected with Henry Cavill. And so he's been reinterpreted so many different times that how do you find the version that everybody loves? That's a good on-ramp for my kids that makes me happy, that makes 25-year-olds happy, that gets my mom, who's. 70 to go see it and she's happy. That's tough with a character where everyone has so many preconceived notions about the character. Yeah. And for me, it's my most anticipated of the summer. So I'm so excited because I love Superman.

I love James Gunn. So I'm curious as to what he's going to do. But I'm so nervous, too. I don't know how I'm going to feel about it. Yeah. You get that weird feeling that you see certain channels or certain people are already starting to ramp up the content they're going to generate. to go after this movie

and it really, I was watching some of this morning and I was like, why is this guy even pining in on this stuff? And I was like, this is nonsense, some of his points of use and takes on this. And I'm like, this is, this feels just like Star Wars all over again. This feels like shades of snow white all over again where people are lining up to try

to destroy this movie and use anything. So we'll see how that plays out. But if you look at the track record right now, Matt Reeves, with the Batman and with the Penguin, of course he wasn't the showrunner, but he was the EP. Those are two solid victories in his ledger, whereas James, yeah, Creature Commandos is fine. I don't know about the finale, but Creature Commandos is fine, but we haven't seen a theatrical

film from him on the D.C. side of things to maybe counter that. And if this comes out and underperforms or doesn't do well or has mixed critics reviews that affect the box office, if you're David Zaslov, who clearly is a guy who just acts whenever he feels like acting, this, you can't, I mean, there's a rumor to be getting rid of the Looney Tunes franchise or brand. Yet they're working on a Looney Tunes feature film. So it's very confusing what they're doing behind the scenes there. So there's all kinds of possibilities that this could go awry before it ever gets settled.

And that's everything with Warner Brothers. It feels like everything. It's all in flux. There's so many moving pieces to where it's not like you can just look at one piece and analyze it in a vacuum. Yeah. There's even like room, like the, you know, murmurs about why it's taking Matt so long to finish the script. of these like vague allusions to things going on. Yeah, personal things or whatever.

Filter it through that. You can filter it through the DCU and do they want two Batman's and all those different things. Plus, David Zazlap, Warner Brothers as a whole. Right. How do you interpret this? I don't know. But I would love to know the behind the scene and all of this.

That MCU book was so amazing. I hope one day someone writes a DC book that explores all of this stuff from the beginning through all the different regime changes through the David Zazlov era. I would love to read that and get some real knowledge about what went all behind the scene. I love that.

Even that Marvel book you were talking about, I was re-listening to it during my trip this past week out to L.A. to do that interview because it's so good. I love that stuff. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So we'll see. We'll keep a tab on it. Keep tabs on Robert Pattinson and see where he goes.

And, of course, Superman is just a couple of months or three months away. So we'll find out for sure when that happens. Let's move on to another franchise here. Sean, let's talk about a little what do you call Hunger Games stuff here going on with Emma Thompson. She is being eyed speaking of an actress that can play in franchises

and go into independent films. Emma Thompson here, she is being eyed for Hunger Games. She's reportedly in talks to portray Drusilla Sickle in the upcoming prequel film The Hunger Games Sunrise on the Reaping, which I think they released over at CinemaCon the title there, at Lionsgate

Reports, Nexus Point News. The sixth film and the overall saga, the story is a midquil set 40 years after the events of a ballot of songbirds and snakes and just over 30 years before the original Hunger Games. Events will unfold during the second quarter quell, the 50th version of the games that were won by Hamich Abernathy, the only District 12 victor until Catnus Everdeen and Peter Malark came along. Drusili is an escort from the Capitol who has been going to District 12 to carry out the

reaping since the first quarter quell. She's described as a detached and unsympathetic figure who clashes with several others. Oh, Emma's great in those kinds of roles. The report follows on from several others in the past few days with the same outlet indicating Charlie Plummer is rumored to take on the younger version of Hamich, the character that Woody Harrelson played in the original films. Others have reported that Ray Fine is up for the President Coriolanus Snowroll.

Karen Colkin has been offered a young Caesar Flickerman, which is Stanley Tucci's role from the original. That seems perfect. And Jesse Plymonds and not Cooper Hoffman has been offered Plutarch Evansby, Philip Seymour Hoffman's role from the original. the new film is being directed by Francis Lawrence, while Nina Jacobson and Brad Simpson are producing

Billy is writing the script, and filming begins in July in Germany ahead of a November 20th, a 20th, a 26 release. So, you know, this one, Sombards and the Sombards of Stakes, that one did really well. A lot of people came out of that liking that recent Hunger Games movie with Rachel Zegler there. So what are your thoughts here at Emma Thompson

possibly stepping in to give even more gravitas to this movie? Well, as you kind of mentioned it alluded to, they describe the character as detached and unsympathetic clashes with other characters. You think you want to bring someone in that can be written to be very unlikable. But because of their talent, the audience still likes them. Yeah. That's where you want to bring in someone like her that can do that. They can play a very likable, totally unlikable person.

And so that's where you kind of, you see it and you go, that's perfect. Yes. And you read the description. And as you read it and you, oh, she's perfect. Like, right. that's the thing that she can do really, really well. So that was my immediate thoughts on it. But yeah, like you said, the last one,

I wasn't really sure how it would work. It would be any good. It was like, surprisingly like nice to be back to that world and a prequel done right. Yeah. And in particular, because there's so many years of Hunger Games you can explore, setting it in the middle, there's, you go, oh, cool.

Like, what will the technology look like? Yeah. And all these different things to it, you kind of want to explore it because they've built out this great world and with lively characters. Yeah, I wonder if you're going to have any of the actors from the most recent film, are they going to age them up or are they going to replace them? What is the, what is going to happen with them 40 years later?

What's the end result going to be? But clearly, because this is all kind of where it's at, having someone like Emma Thompson coming. You know, I think of all the Harry Potter movies when they bring in the villains of the piece. And, oh, God, I remember, I can't remember the name of the character who was an all pink, but she was a great person to bring in to frustrate everybody around Hogwarts and trying to undercut Dumbledore there. Yeah, yeah, Dolores, that's right.

Yeah, coming in and doing, have an incredible effect on the entire movie. So Emma can bring that kind of strength. We've seen Emma in interviews. She doesn't suffer fools. And so to have her play a role like this, I think is really smart. You put a foundational, very talented actress at the center of this to be someone who, it looks to be hard to overcome, difficult to defeat. And so I think that's going to add a lot of energy to the movie that I'd be looking forward to as well. But what do you thoughts on the possibilities of Ray Fines coming in?

Fresh off Conclave, Kieran Culkin, who is currently on Broadway doing Glenn Gary, Glenn Ross. And then Jesse Plymouth's playing the Phillips Seymour Hoffman role. Do you like these actors possibly being in talks here to be in this one? I mean, you just kind of go down the list and they're all great actors that bring something interesting and different. Sometimes it's a little bit tricky on this one because a lot of those, they're playing characters that have been played by other actors that are already iconic. And so sometimes you're immediately like, uh, okay, is it like, does that feel right? Does it feel like a disconnect? Because it's such distinct, you know, Donald Sutherland versus Ray Fines.

Like they're so distinct and different. But at the same time, you go, they're great. They're awesome. So I want to see what they're going to bring. And because there is, you know, these 30, 40 years stretches between the different entries, it gives you a lot of room in there to be able to reinterpret it and be okay with the differences. But even, you know, the headline is about Emma and you read the rest of it. And you're like, this whole cast seems just stacked with that.

I mean, that's what these movies have always done so well is having every small little part is this character that pops and is played by a great actor that is interesting. So much so that, you know, we're taking the original franchise and we're doing these prequels about all of these side characters that now they get their own movie. Yeah, yeah. And I think it's great to see that as well, the level of actor that is being attracted to this franchise. This isn't like the Transformers movies, which I like, by the way.

But they're, you know, they bring in like Francis McDormann or Stanley Tucci or Kelsey Graham or these other, like, really. good established actors, but they bring them in to have fun in a crazy film. But with something like this, there are some real commentary going on in these films, social commentary and what have you in these films. So you kind of want to bring in these actors that are going to be able to convey the nuances and the complexities of what you're trying to tell with the characters and with the stories. So, yeah, along with Charlie Plummer, I mean, this is, as you said, a very stacked

lineup. If all of these deals fall into place and these rumors come true, this is a hell of. of a stacked cast for a film like this, that it'll appeal to a lot of different sections of the movie going fandom to get them in there to see the film. And bring the franchise to a new audience. That's like my daughter's growing up older. And so we're sure a little bit of the franchise before this last one. But by this time this next one comes out, she'll be in that prime age and she was interested. We just didn't want to show her too much just yet. She'll be in that prime age by this next one. And like it, like you said, has that broad appeal. And it's a franchise that it's a, there's,

smart blockbusters. They have all the spectacle, the excitement, the world building. But they're packed with commentary too. Yeah, 100% agree with you. 100% agree with you. So we'll keep tabs on it, as I said, and we'll see what happens. And when the casts start being announced, we'll definitely put that in motion. Sean, I'm going to take a, I'll do a break here real quick. So I'll bring you down here and talk to the fans here. So guys, we have got ourselves a ad coming up here that you want to pay attention to. It is for Viat trees. They are pronounced, it's Vaya, they are fast growing trees. So, you know, some of you, you need a little vegetation in your life.

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Oh, wait, Jeff Snyder did on the hummike. But anyway, Hulu has premiered the first official trailer for Predator Killer of Killers. The new animated anthology featured from Prey Director Dan Tractenberg. The story follows three of the fiercest warriors in human history and their engagements with the creatures from the live-action films. One is a Viking raider guiding her young son on a bloody quest for revenge. It's time I tell you. Another is a ninja in feudal Japan who turns against his samurai brother in a brutal battle for succession.

There's also a World War II pilot who takes to the sky to investigate another worldly threat to the allied cause. While all these warriors are killers in their own light, they are merely prey for their new opponent, the ultimate killer of killers. The project is one of two. Tractenberg directed Predator films releasing soon, the other being the live action Predator Badlands, which was previewed at CinemaCon. starring L. Fanning, which will open November 7th only in cinemas. Predator Killer of Killers will release on Hulu on June 6th. So, Sean, your thoughts on this trailer? Did you like this thing?

Did it do it for you? And what's with all the samurai content happening now within our lives? So what are your thoughts on this, man? I am so on board with this that everything about this, I am so down. You go back 15 years ago when Predators came out, which I like it more than most people. It's a safe follow-up, but there's a sequence in it

where a guy pulls out a samurai sword and fights a predator. And it could put this idea in a bunch of our heads of like, well, that could have been cool. That could be a cool movie if you play that out. And then they do the movie Prey that makes it clear. You take the predators and you take them global,

you take them to all these different cultures and have them battle the best killers throughout human history. That's a great concept. And now we're getting an anthology series, which is a way to play that out. And it doesn't have to be a full movie with like elaborate stories, but there are little situations and scenarios that are interesting. And you see it and you immediately go, oh, that's so cool. The Vikings and the Samurai World War II soldiers,

and you go, what about a Western? What about? And just keep playing the what about of what this could look like if this thing is as good as it looks so. I'm very excited. Even the animation, it feels like paintings come to life. and then it's gory and violent. Like they're leaning into it. So I dug everything about it.

Yeah, I did too. I loved it. I thought it was a fantastic trailer. I took the day off yesterday because I didn't want, I was just tired from my trip to LA on Monday. So I didn't do a reaction to this one. But when I watched it, I was losing my mind thinking I should have done a reaction because I did not anticipate it was going to be this excellent, this level of animation, this level of story.

It doesn't mean the Hulu doesn't do some good animation. I mean, Hit Monkey is a lot of fun. But I didn't anticipate this. level and the predator stuff. So clearly, Sean, pray open the door for what could happen here in Tractonburg, not necessarily James Gunn, not necessarily Kevin Feigy, but certainly in this corner of the, of the predator universe, he is creating some really interesting content and where that goes next because now we're all looking forward to a predator badlands trailer whenever that's coming out. But this idea of having this go about, you said what about. It's almost like what

if, but it's called What About Now in the world of predators? That is a lot of fun to explore in this one, the animation, the storytelling, and the different types of warriors they're using from different times in history. That's exciting to people. And again, covers a lot of ground for people who like this kind of stuff, like a Viking, a person who might not be a samurai person. A samurai person might not be a World War II pilot person, but you're covering those three stories.

So you've got enough interest from all these different quadrants, a quadrants. of people to enjoy this stuff. Well, even just the nature of the trailer, you immediately see the different scenarios to get interesting. Where they're doing like the fighter pilots battling the predator, they shoot the hook through the plane.

You go, yeah, yeah. That was so cool. And there's just the different types of action that it just got me excited and giddy. And it's like they realize, we don't need to really overthink this too much. Yeah, yeah. There's something in the predators,

like, let's take the best killer. from Earth and put them on this hunting ground. They went, that was almost the perfect idea. Yes, but it was like, let's go throughout time. And the predators come to all these different cultures, and you just, it's a very similar concept, but like the better, more exciting version of it, because it's cross-cultural, cross-time,

and there's so many different things you can do as soon as you're going to these different places. And I think an anthology is the way to do it where it doesn't feel like it's too played out, and it doesn't feel like you have to like repeat big, gigantic story arcs or anything like that, It's just little episodes of battles. Yeah.

I hope it's as good as it made me feel. We see these franchises opening the door to this more and more. John Wick's got an animated one coming, animated series coming out. So, you know, Star Wars all the way back with Clone Wars was kind of, you know, opening the door to animation that would be canon and connected to the overall story. So you see here that now these franchises in 2025, 2024, and are opening the door more and more. to the animated content going side by side and hand in hand with a theatrical con even the james gunn with creature commandos with the frank grillo apart is connecting that up to live action as we're

going to see him in peacemaker season two right and it's just interesting to see the way that um that with streaming yeah and with kind of these different options that storytelling is getting expanded that there's ways to have like formal canon ideas that are given a budget sometimes you get movie stars and it's like the guy doing it's dan trashman's the same guy that did pray same guy that's doing bad lands he went i have more than one good idea like people loved that like we're taking it and native americans do like people like that let's play that concept out but i also have this other movie concept let's do both and they went yeah let's do it and we're in a time like we're getting two different Predator movies this year

that are so wildly different. That's awesome. Yeah, I agree with you 100%. And so you hope all of it works out and people get excited about it. But I want to see this explored more and more of the animation side of things because I think we're in a golden age of new animation. You know, Blue Eye Samurai, all this stuff that's happening here on all these different networks. There's really, although the animation itself is starting to constrict a little bit since the strikes, the quality of this high of this animation is really a high level that we, for us nerds and geeks

who are into this kind of stuff which I'm excited about to see. Continue. Which just feels like over the last few years there have been so many interesting things happening with animation. Like I wouldn't have thought going into a predator movie that I'd be like, oh, that looks really cool. Right. Right. It does.

And they're getting animators that are bringing something new to the table and, you know, combining certain aspects of what you can do with digital as well as classic animation techniques and merging together and bringing art into it. And there's so many different things they're able to do these days where so many animated projects just look really cool and really interesting. Yeah, Arcane, Invincible, the Boys stuff.

Like, there's so much that people can choose from. And Netflix has opened the door to even more anime coming through here. I've noticed last night as I was going through suggestions how many of those titles are animated. And so it's exciting right now to be in that field for sure. Yeah, Love Death and Robots is another one, too, that I enjoy seeing some of the animation from that as well. All right, so we covered that story. We talked about covering the story. So we covered it.

Let's move on here to another story. And hey, exactly, have some fun with this particular one. This is an interesting story here. I don't know if you're watching the studio right now. Yes. Let's take a body break. Yeah. This story broke yesterday.

a Hershey's chocolate film is in the works. Finn Whitrock and Alexandra Dadario had been set to star in Hershey, a live-action film about the story behind one of the world's most famous chocolate companies. Whitrock will play Milton Hershey, who alongside his wife, Kitty, that's Dadario, built a candy empire which powered a philanthropic legacy,

the pair founding the Hershey Industrial School that provided free education and housing to orphans and underprivileged children. Decades before his death, Milton would transfer the majority of his fortune into Milton, and Hershey School Trust, which became one of the wealthiest educational endowments in the country. Mark Waters, who I love from Mean Girls and Freaky Friday, will direct the project, which will shoot in Pennsylvania, starting in May and be released in 2026.

Water said in a statement against all odds, Milton achieved great success, but unlike a lot of other wealthy men of his time, he shared his success with the working people and community around him. Sharon Paul McTimon and Mario Lowe, Joshua Harris will hardly produce. The Hershey Company, which also owns brands like Kit Kat and Twizzlers, is the fit largest chocolate company in the world by revenue behind mars brigley for our group mondales international and maji co uh company limited there so sean i know the initial response is to compare this to the kool-aid movie from from the studio but i mean the story here seems to have more more

more serious elements to it that could lend itself to be more like the founder or the social network what are your thoughts when you hear this right i mean it's the headline yesterday, the tweets about this yesterday were hilarious and immediately people like using pictures of Seth Rogen from the studio like Hershey's. And it's funny. The joke, like that show has just like completely satirized Hollywood so perfectly. Yeah. But there's a difference between using chocolate as a springboard for a story and using the foundation of a company as the foundation for a story. In particular, when you're talking about people that grew this chocolate empire and then used it to make the largest educational endowment ever. So it's a story of a

philanthropy. It's a story of great rich, but great generosity. That's a story. It's an actual thing that happened that's interesting. And we've all eaten Hershey's chocolate, but how many of us know the story of the actual influence beyond that where there's people being educated? There's people because I bought the chocolate bar. Right. That's not the same thing as the Kool-Aid man would be like, And so I only saw the tweets yesterday. And so when I was prepping for this, I read the article and oh, okay, this is a movie about the company. It's not chocolate bar. Yeah.

I love this in its approach, right? Look, first of all, Mark Waters is a great choice to get what he was able to do with mean girls and Freaky Friday. You know he's got a little bit of an impish sense of humor with what he does. But underneath, there's some great heart. Felt moments in both of those movies. Some great commentary about connecting with people and being honest with who you are and wanting to do good for other people. You know, you see that throughout both of those movies. Yes, it's very contained in terms of the friends group or the family situation, Freaky Friday.

But it's very much about like finding the good goodness within what's going on and the madness of it all. And nowadays, as I alluded to, I mean, you see the world is going crazy. People are angry of billionaires. People are supporting billionaires. and their instincts and all this stuff. So a film that comes out that is about a person with wealth and achieving so much success who's giving back to help the community, to help people, to educate people at a time when education is being cut all over the place,

here's a story that's coming along to tell you that education is important. Education is valid and that this is a man who took his money or a company that took their money and put it where their mouth was in terms of helping people and getting and making the world a better place. And I think that's a good thing, good energy and good message to have in a movie like this. Right. Exactly. And that's first class, I get why people don't like. But as soon as you look back a couple years ago, was it 2023?

It was like the year of product movies. Yes. Air, Blackberry, Tetris, and Cheetos. There was a Cheetos movie. I actually eat those. Those movies are so entertaining to me. They're so interesting to me because there's these brands we engage with. And there's a whole story about where they came from.

And in the case of this one, it's a story. It's a story that's inspirational. It's about people using great success to help other people. Yeah. That's something great to put out in the world right now. Yeah, and I'm curious to see how Finn Whitrock and Alexander Dodario doing a movie like this. I think DiDario's been building since White Lotus, certainly the first season of True Detective, but like White Lotus is what really kind of got Alexandria even further out into the public, so to speak.

And now with Finn Whitrock, one of these up-and-comers who's been going through the last few years, getting more and more attention for himself. Got to be real curious to see where they can come up with, along with Mark Waters. So, yeah, we will see. We will see very soon, I'm sure on that. All right, let's move on to another story here. And guys, we're at 21 Superchats. Hey, come on.

Sean is here. Let's get to 100 at least. Come on. Let's match Roxy with 103 at least. Send in your super chat. Send in your love people. Sean is an incredible resource and a fantastic funded. So you want to ask him all kinds.

I see you guys asking questions in the chat. Ask those questions through stream lab, through superchats rather, and send them in as we go along. All right, let's move on to this story here, man. Andor is happening, Sean, very, very soon. I'm sure both of our channels are revving up their engines for this one. But Disney wraps up the first season of Daredevil Born Again next week. By the way, that episode last night was a banger.

After that, it will be jumping directly into the second and final season of Tony Gilroy's acclaimed Star Wars series. and or reminding everyone about the new runs compressed release plan. The show's official social media account has released a graphic showcasing when episodes will air. The new season consists of 12 episodes comprised of four three-episode arcs. We knew that with each arc set to see a time jump between them of around a year. The result is essentially four feature-length movies with a weak gap between them. The first airs on April 22nd, followed by the second on April 29th and the third on May 6th and the 4th on May 13th. with Empire recently to promote the series.

Showrunner Tony Gilroy says the cast and crew had, quote, ultimate freedom making the show thanks to key executives, the success of other Star Wars shows, and the audience, all standing up for them. He said, quote, we were protected all the way down the line. Kathy Kennedy protected us. Lucas film protected us.

Bob Iger protected us, the audience protected us. The Mandalorian protected us. We had all these people out there, fictional and real backing our play. The success of the Mandalorian gave us the platform to jump off. Their success is what would fuel the whole thing. I mean, no Baby Yoda, no Andor. Seriously, don't think that we don't know that. Online people try to drive a wedge all the time between us and John Fabro and Faloni. It's horrible what people say. It's terrible.

And the truth is, we don't have a show without them. They gave us the muscle to go. Fascinating to see his comments here, Sean. And I'll add something more to in just a second. So what do you think about these comments? What do you think about what we got to hear from Andor? What do you thoughts overall on this? Yeah, I mean, like a lot of people, I loved Andor. It was just something so different in the world of Star Wars, but it felt like it was exploring the piece that we hadn't really explored in that manner, the actual espionage that would be required to exist for the rebellion to take place. Yeah. They look at, we're doing the release schedule.

I've actually, like, wanted to have more streamers experiment with kind of this hybrid model of releasing in chunks. And this is a show that that complements the way. the way the show is written. Yeah. As they said in the article, basically each week, we're going to get a Star Wars movie every week for a month where each three episodes is its own little mini arc. That's the way the first season was designed too.

So it makes sense that it doesn't feel like we're stretching it out too much, but we're getting like this significant Star Wars burst. Yeah. Each week for a month, I like that. Or I guess I'll see if I like that. Well, I like doing the experiment. Let's see how it plays out. But I'm excited to see how that works out.

And it like a prequel done right in a prequel that our knowledge of the future, our knowledge of where all of this is heading, it adds to it rather than spoiling it. You're piecing it together in a way that's like really interesting. So I can't wait to check it out. And, you know, as we kind of even talked about earlier on here, there's this tendency to turn everything into a fight, polarize everything. And everyone has to be at odds. And there's a battle everywhere. And you go, you know, maybe we're. We're a little bit too bored in our lives and we're trying to fabricate some drama where it doesn't exist.

And in the world of Star Wars, they went like we've got our cute little baby Yoda that my six-year-old has a thousand little baby Yoda's in her room. She doesn't understand Star Wars, but she understands cute guy. And then we've got Andor that's like this sophisticated, thematically rich version of Star Wars. Both of those can coexist. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. That's once again, the advantage of the era that we're in.

Maybe there's, of course, setbacks. Maybe there's oversaturation. There's other things to discuss. But it's also cool that they can make something that my six-year-old that does not understand anything about Star Wars, it's her on-ramp. It's making her want to be engaged with this thing that means so much to me. And there's the most mature, serious Star Wars that we've ever gotten that's for me. Yeah, 100%. I'm in the same boat.

My lady does not watch too much nerdy or geeky stuff. But Mandalorian with Baby Yoda, she watched all those episodes. because of baby eota she enjoyed that kind of stuff and or is speaking my spoke my language you know being latino being the son of immigrants this idea of the of the approach they were having here with that story of the revolution going against people trying to take over things and so that kind of really appeal to me but of course that's universal right we all can experience some entity wanting to control us wanting to force us to do things and then kind of going along with our lives until something happens that makes us react and start to play a hand in this overall battle.

I think a lot of people have been having that conversation with themselves over the last few months with everything that's going on in the world, no matter what side of the fence you are on, which is interesting. But what do you think of his comments, Tony Gilroy's comments here, trying to undercut or trying to throw water on a lot of the fire that there's division between Tony Gilroy and Faloni and Fabro. Certainly we've talked about it on this show. I've talked about it on my show.

I don't know if you've talked about it on yours too deeply about whether there is this idea that Faloni doesn't like Andorra and that's why they're rushing all of this out at once. And so it seems like Gilroy's trying to put to rest all those rumors and saying that everybody's on board with us, everybody likes what we were creating and what we and they supported us. What do you think is comments here? Yeah, sometimes it's a little bit tough to know with all of it because they're writers, producers, actors, they all, they all lie from time to time. They're all trying to promote their product.

And so the division doesn't help them. all right so how much of it is sincere but like he's so confident and just squashing all of it and he's so like we love them they love us like why would we have issues like why he says it was such confidence it's tough to read it is if you're just making an empty statement you don't normally say it that way yeah um also this is a guy that there are podcasts of him being as blunt yeah it's possible like this is a guy that doesn't seem like you better say well we want he's not that guy and after he said stuff that was not favorable they still hired him to do and or yeah so he's the sort of person that you take a little bit more as if he says that he's like what are

you guys talking about we're like why would they be mad at me like yeah so because i've seen him be mean it's yeah very uncomfortable things you trust him when he says something positive yeah yeah i agree with you 100% yeah uh one other thing i want to bring up but connected to this story and get your thoughts on this Sean is this. They released, or this is the rumored runtimes here from Bestman Bulletin. I know we're using another account here, but these are the runtimes,

51 minutes, 44, 44, 44, 54, 44, 44, 44, 47, 58, 48, 42, 46. This is amazing, these runtimes. This is, I mean, you talk about trying to review stuff on a channel, four episodes or three episodes that are like 50 minutes or 45 minutes. That's a lot of reviewing per week. What are your thoughts when you see these run times? Does it excite you as a fan? But on the other side, are you like thinking,

God, reviewing this is going to be extensive? Well, so there's the side to it that a number of these Star Wars and Marvel Disney Plus shows for a while got criticized because they were just too short. And it felt like, you know, they're 40 minutes and then 10 minutes of credits. And so it just felt like it was too small of a taste and not enough happened. And so you see them getting more that. 45, 50 minutes, you go, right, these are full episodes of television again.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you want them to be that. And so my first thought is, okay, we're not doing the bite-sized thing that I don't think worked the best, generally speaking. Yeah. Flip side to it, I've been playing that out in my mind, too, of like, Tuesday night, two and a half hours of Star Wars drop every, and you wonder, like, is that going to be too much?

Because there's a side to it. You go, cool, a Star Wars movie drops every Tuesday night. Right. And then you go, wait a minute. day night. I'm scheduled for a month. There's there's so many different ways to analyze all these, these different things with these different models where they do it. But you know,

you think with the, you know, Netflix got us used to the binge model where. Yeah. A full season would drop and you'd be like, I got to watch this whole season right now. Yeah. And this at least breaks that up.

And so we're doing, you know, three hours every week. Yeah. It's a lot. And even trying to think like, how do you do those weekly reviews when it's like, okay,

I got to watch all of this. this and figure what am I going to review? How am I going to break? I'm going to do as one chunk. I think through all of that stuff. Yeah, I know. I know. I'm, you know. I'm, I'm, the fact that these run times, if these are the actual runtimes, if these are the rumored from Best of a Bulletin, if these are the rumored runtimes, this shows you the level of seriousness they take this show at. This is House of the Dragon runtimes. These are Game of Thrones run times. These are like premier TV run times for shows like we just had severance.

I think every episode of severance is almost an hour. So that tells you that their approach to this is much more prestige versus something like the acolyte or or even Mandalorian at times, which was only 30 to 35 or 40 minutes. Like this tells you that they are seriously diving into lobbying for awards for this show. Even though they came close last time, there may be even more of a push this time around, especially with the release schedule. Right. And, you know, going back to that same language that we'd be using all along of. Yeah. Legitimately, these are these are two and a half hour long Star Wars movies dropping every week. Yeah.

And espionage stoes, heist shows. Like, like, the thought, like, we've had to wait a long time. And it's made me wonder, like, why didn't you just do, like, do half of these a year ago and half of them now? Oh, interesting. If you're going to have a time jump in the middle of I thought, like, why didn't you just do split it up? up into two two batches um but also being like it's finally time and you're delivering a lot of fingers crossed prestige star wars a prestige star wars movie every week for a month that's cool we're gonna be rung out emotional wrecks uh after the end of and or and uh the last of us like these next two

months are going to rip us emotionally i think i have a feeling and they just announced season three of the Last of Us I saw this morning. So we're not even done with that story beyond the video games, it seems like. So that's going to be real exciting as well. Well, let's stay in the world of Star Wars. Sean, let's move on to this rumor about Jesse Plymins. This is supposedly happening here that Jesse Plemans from Civil War, as you see there, I love the Civil War.

Zero Day Killers of the Flower Moon reportedly has, quote, has the offer for the role of the lead villain in the new Star Wars film being directed by Free Guy, Deadpool, and Wolverine Helmer. on Levy at Disney and Lucas film. He also did an additive museum. I want to remind you. Daniel R.P.K. reported the scoop, which follows on from a report last week that Killing Eve and the last dual star, Jody Comer, is in talks to join the project as well. If true, they would join previously announced three-time Oscar nominee, Ryan Gossling,

and the project, co-written by Levy and Jonathan Trapper. The project is reported a contained a standalone film, not connected to the Skywalker saga, and is set after the events of Rise of Skywalker. The new film is said to have a significantly small, budget than the previous Disney Star Wars films. Kathleen Kennedy, Sean Levy, and Jonathan Trapper will produce while filming to take place in the UK later this year. And we

talked about Plymonds already, but Flemonds was rumored to be in the running to play Kylo Ren and Star Wars Force Awakens prior to Adam Driver scoring the part. And he has Liorgos, Lentthomas, Pogonia coming, and Inerito's new film on the way as well. So Jesse, another one of these

incredible actors completely in his prime right now. So, I mean, Jesse Plemons, Jody Comer and Ryan Gossack. That's a hell of a lineup for a for a film of yours. This doesn't feel like a Deadpool, Wolverine yuck, yuck joke fest. This feels like something of much more heft and weight. What are you thoughts on this? Yeah, it's interesting to me because Jess has come up now twice, tied to the big franchises. And I started watching him back in his high school show, Friday Night Lights. Oh, God, yes. I live in Central Texas. So Friday,

night lights is like royalty like they literally shot parts of it around here there's a stadium i can see the lights from it from my office right here that's in the show like that's how friday night lights central so that's my memory for him is like landry's taken off in his career and then of course breaking bad and all of the other things that he's done over the last 10 years so he's of course great he's versatile my first thought though is he has a very specific like naturalistic style to what he does that feels different from a lot of typical Star Wars acting. There's a certain theatricality.

Even you say, like, he's great. And he say that he was in the running for Kylo Ren. I go, how is that? Like, I don't see, like, my brain can't see it. I haven't seen Adam Driver's Kylo Ren. And like, what would that? Like, I'm confused hearing that. So I'm very curious what, what this movie is.

Now, people, you know, think Sean Levy and they go Deadpool and Wolverine, but like, this is a guy that's brand for 20 years that has done a lot of different. movies, a lot of different genres, and had a lot of big, gigantic hits. They just knows how to work with a lot of people. And that's the side to it where you go, that bringing him into the world of Star Wars, like, there's a lot of potential for something cool there. And that we're doing a story that's stand alone.

That's another thing I'm just excited about of like what the world of Star Wars has so many little pockets that you can explore. Yeah. We're going to do that. And it looks like we're going to have an awesome cast. Yeah, I'm excited about this. You know, I was a little, I like Sean as a director. I think he does really good crowd-pleasing fair.

I don't really think of Sean as like an inorritu or any of these other directors that deliver much more, or even Tony Gilroy with what he did at Andor, I don't think of Sean Levy that way. That being said, it doesn't mean he can't do it. It doesn't mean he can explore something like that. So if you're going to take a chance to maybe shake up your brand or style of directing a little bit and take on a much more serious story,

You want to bring actors that are going to help you, bring that across, and maybe do a little bit of the extra work that you don't necessarily know how to do just yet. And you bring in someone like Ryan Gosling and Jody Comer and Phillips Seymour Hoffman who all delivered layered nuance and complex performances and a lot of the things they've done in the past. So this to me gets me excited now for this movie in a way that I wasn't necessarily. And Jody, as people are pointing out, played Ray's mother. and there's rumors that Ray is supposed to appear or be a part of this movie. So what are we telling here? Where are we exploring are Ryan Gosling and Jody Comer, Ray's parents? You know, what are we exploring here?

And is Hoff in the one, sorry, is the Plymouth's the one that kind of deters them from and makes them give up, Ray? I don't know. So there's all kinds of things that go on my head or are these completely different things? I know they say standalone, but they always say standalone. and then a Skywalker thing shows up or Vader shows up. So you just never know. And so to me, this gets me really excited. Even if they don't go that route,

I think people will forget that she was raised mom or don't care about it if you do a good movie. So I'm excited all around to see what they're going to create here with all this all this cast. Yeah. All right. So let's leave the world of Star Wars

and let's move on to something else and jump into something that's also under the Disney banner. Let's jump into some events. This is going to be real curious. Now, I don't know how Sean feels about some of this stuff, but we will see. We will hear. Well, I do know how Sean feels because I've watched his channel, but something like this. So we will see.

But filming is getting underway on Marvel Studios Avengers Doomsday. And already there's leaks from the set with a video going up showing off a photo of what appears to be a garden courtyard turned battlefield, covered in both small and large craters. The video which appeared on the channel of YouTube Unbox Ph.D. to showcase the site of an incursion as pieces of one earth land on another as the worlds collide. If you go to this Dark Horizons article, the link is there. I clicked on it and watched a little bit of it. I'm not going to put it up here for people that don't want to see spoilers.

The Russo brothers and previously indicated plans are in place to deal with the paparazzi, ranging from huge walls around sets to much of the film being shot in secure soundstages. Head over to YouTube to check out of the video. Tom Hiddleston also recently spoke about reprising his Loki role for Doomsday, saying via the direct that he is quote very very excited it's really remarkable actually that i can talk about it because mostly i'm in a position of knowing and not being able to say anything he added that playing loki was an extraordinary chapter of my life and it's not over yet uh talk of avenger spiked earlier today when marvel released an eight-n-half hour asmr clip dove wolverine breathing exercise i watch

this is great uh um to mark national stress awareness month really kind of them kew jackman is seen breathing in a video loop, which has a brief moment of him flashing claws at the halfway mark. And speaking of Marvel, filming is also continuing on the second season of Daredevil Born Again with eagle-eyed witnesses spotting a boxing match, advertisement for a Mayor Fisk versus Matterhorn

match. Spoilers, there, for those of you read the certain runs. The ad also indicates it's a charity boxing match for the benefit of the New York Born Again revitalization project of Edgeers Doom Day is due, a dooms day is due out in cinemas in May of next year. Okay. Your thoughts

on this, Sean, did you get a chance to look at this footage? And what do you think about what it looks like if you did? It gave it a quick look. Sometimes I try not to get too much into the world of leaks and stuff like that. I want to enjoy the movie as much as possible. You know, the basic idea of it, if it's being incursions, worlds colliding, that all sounds about right. Yeah. My immediate feeling about stuff like this is they started filming days ago and already we're getting set leaks. That's the frustration for me that like I have criticized. I a bunch of Disney projects and a bunch of big studio projects for spending too much time in front of a green screen.

And then they go outside and immediately were taking pictures. And, you know, this happened with Endgame that we had pictures from the Battle of New York two years before the movie came out with their bracelets on stuff. This happened with Force Awakens. Is that with Force Awakens? Exactly. Like, if they go outside, people pull out for a mile away with their telescopic lens and we're posting pictures of everything. It's on the internet instantly. And it's frustrating because, um,

You kind of create a scenario where they have to go into studios on sets to protect themselves from things being spoiled. And that when you're making creative decisions about storytelling and how you're going to make your movie just to avoid spoilers on the internet, I mean, I think the internet and the fans are starting to hurt the storytelling process. And that's frustrating. It's a fair point. I mean, you can only do so much. I mean, the other step is shooting down drones and having. like almost like a military,

you know what I'm saying? Military style approach to it where you've got special forces on the ground or monitoring. Get the whole cast from Lion, or the crew from Lioness to be a part of this thing to watch over it and to protect it because it's really brutal

when you look at this situation and that you know right now there are sections of the fandom that don't care about spoilers. Don't care. They want that information. They want to be, I either want it because of their own selfish desires

to know this. kind of stuff or they're so into the franchise or they want to be the cool kid that's telling everybody what they saw and all that kind of for status so you see that so unfortunately you can only do so much to stop it especially as you said an open area there unless you're shooting down these drones and i don't know how far up those drones are that you might not be able to detect them right that you're really at a loss for what you can do i mean the shots are interesting i saw speculation of where it might be what particular right uh place it might be a alluding to.

But I like the shots, but you're not going to get much from this shot other than an approach to what they're doing. So it's interesting. Yeah, very vague. Yeah, exactly. So not too heavy. What did you think about the breathing exercise thing? They really did that great?

Well, it feels like Marvel hired somewhat new marketing person to play around with their viral techniques. Because, of course, the doomsday announcement with all the chairs. It's such an odd choice that, like, everyone had an opinion on it, whether it was brilliant or you hated it. It was infuriating. We have a mutual friend Griffin. And the whole time during that, during that, he's texting me like, what a nurse are they doing? What is it? Like, why are they doing this? Why does it take you five and a half hours? But it got everybody talking. Yes, it worked in getting the chatter. And then you kind of do something like this that it's like, we're going to post eight and a half hours of Hugh Jackman breathing.

It's so weird. It's interesting. It's funny. I get you talking and that you're tying it to, you know, anxiety awareness and things like that. You go, okay, which is great. Maybe you're onto something with this of just kind of like playing around with the quirks of the internet and the way people interact with it and what gets people talking.

It's already at 326,000 views this thing from yesterday. So clearly people clicked on it thinking it was some kind of footage, but enough people stuck around that maybe they tried. it up maybe they breathed with it and i think the goal is a really uh cool goal in that you know as i said the world is crazy taking a moment to breathe before reacting in and especially for young people who are you know who enjoy these heroes enjoy these universes maybe they're the ones who uh could look at a video like this and be like okay i'm gonna breathe with here with my wolverine hero i'm gonna breathe with you jackman who i like this will maybe help me so you never know as long as you

put good stuff out in the world you just never know how people how you're going to be helping people. And also, as you said, it's inventive and funny and out of the box and interesting. So yeah, I kind of like that as well. All right. Do we have any more stories that we did the Hershey's? Oh yeah. We did the Andor. We did Avengers. We did the Star Wars villain, Hunger Games, Dome Messiah. Okay, we've done everything. Before we jump into the questions, though, Sean, I want to give you the floor here to let people know about your channel and promote anything you want to promote. Yeah, absolutely. My name is. Sean Chandler. I have a YouTube channel called Sean Chandler talks about, and it's a place for people

that love to talk about movies and TV way too much. That's my origin story. I was just like all of you watching movie talk back a decade ago, just loved learning everything about movies, and I thought, hey, maybe I can do that and started my own channel where I talk about movies way too much. So if that's you, you're someone that drives all the people around you crazy talking about movies way too much. Consider checking out my channel. If you look up Sean Chandler, you will, I find an NFL player or a guy that looks like me talking about movies. It's the guy that looks like me talking about movies. 100%. And you've got like three other channels. You've got the,

the plus channel. Yeah. One of these other channels. You're doing. You have a personal channel. Then you've got a channel that has a lot of videos to help people start out in YouTube. Yeah. So I have one called Real Creators that I'm just going to buy my nature, want to help people. If I've been successful, it's something to help them. So I just feel so lucky that I get to do this for a living. So I wanted to kind of share my thoughts on YouTube and done some Comic Con panels with other kind of big creators talking about how to grow on YouTube. And then I have one called Sean Chandler Plus that's kind of more clipping out segments from live streams and stuff like that. It's a little bit more

personal. If the main channel is like more edited, move your reviews, rankings, things like that. The second channel is kind of clips that has a little bit more personality that comes out. Yeah, absolutely. I'm nowhere near Sean Chandler's subscriber numbers. But if you want to come follow me. You can follow me at the Rokasaz on Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, and my YouTube channel at YouTube.com slash John Roka says, basically the outlaw nation there. All right, let's get into these superchats

here, Sean. Let's see how many we get as we go along trying to hit that 100 mark people. Let's welcome Sean to the show by hitting that 100 mark. So here we go. Mike's movie Madness says, hello, Mom's in the hospital because of an idiot driver. Thank you in advance for helping being a distraction for the day. Thankful

that she's doing well. tough one to start off with my mic thank you for reaching out and thank you for letting us entertain you during a tough time right now and of course i think sean and i send you and christians and you and your family a lot of strength in your mom especially as she as she deals with this you know yeah on a personal note when i was in high school my mom was hit by an idiot driver it was in the hospital for two months oh wow and it like to this day there's certain health issues that she still has related to it and so i i know exactly what you're feeling right now of just just the helplessness of seeing something like that happen.

You're like, why are people like this? Yeah, yeah. Take your time through it, Mike. Process it, take your step by step, brother, step by step. And let us entertain you, however. And hopefully, maybe if you're not a fan of Sean already, you are a fan now and go watch his content, which will entertain you as well.

Matt Sinister McCall says, hey, Sean, a big fan. Love the interview with Leone and coverage of Fantastic Fest. I hope to go there someday. Any predictions for Terrify? for. So I do have my predictions for Terrifier 4 because I was able to talk to the writer-director, Damian Leone, who he's referring to there. But, you know, the third movie kind of ends teasing with exactly what's going to happen

that they're going to try and rescue this girl basically going into hell battling. Art the clown. I mean, Damien pretty clearly made it clear. He has an end in mind that he's working towards. And so it feels like hopefully it's a satisfying conclusion, but it's one that he's had in mind as soon as he started this journey with the Sienna character that was introduced in the second film. And so I have the utmost faith in him as someone that watched the first terrify. I was like, what is this thing? And then he introduced all of this other mythology into it.

And as soon as he expanded it went bigger, I was like, there it is. That's this weird crazy killer clown franchise that has something that I'm super into. So, uh, and it's been a cool underdog story of true indie cinema making tons of money. So, but yeah, I mean, I think I'm, my prediction is that It's going to go exactly where the last one teased that it's going to go literally to hell. There you go. Frankie sees this. John is Hollywood cooked if China initiates closing its box office to U.S. movie makers, happy hump day and keep going outlaw.

Oh, thanks, Frankie. And, of course, I want to hear with Sean things on this as well. But my reactions is we heard this morning that China jumped up their tariffs and then the U.S. responded in kind. I think Trump put it out 125 percent tariffs now on China. but backing off tariffs with 75,000, I think this is all posturing right now and China would lose out

not bringing American movies in as well. So I think they're just, you know, for lack of a better term, this is like two guys in a playground circling each other like this and eventually threatening each other and then eventually cooler heads

are going to prevail. So I don't think it's going to affect anything. I don't think they're going to bar U.S. films from coming over. They're eventually going to settle, whatever they settle on. and it'll be fine. Sean, do you think they'll even go far enough

to ban U.S. movies in China anytime soon? Nothing actually long-term or significant to the point that you said that they lose out. As soon as you're not going to have all the things that people want. Yeah. Like, that's a lose for them. I'm actually going through the reign of Marvel Studios.

I mentioned to listen to it again. And the section I listened to was on China, their policies. And it kind of covers how back 12-ish years ago, the journey of Chinese changing policies and how when they shut some Hollywood off, it hurt their industry. And so they reopened up and who helped their industry. It's,

you know, it's symbiotic. Like, they're a gigantic market. And Hollywood puts out movies that people want with gigantic franchises. So they're going to work together. It'll work out that. Of the things in the world that are crazy that you go like,

what on earth is about to happen? The Chinese box office is not the one that I think that'll kill things. And, you know, it wouldn't kill. Hollywood, it would just hurt it and you would just adjust your budgets, which I'm sure you've discussed many times. Yeah, maybe not a bad thing. Maybe not a bad thing. That's a good point, Sean, for sure. Simon Section is part one. Thanks, Sean, for your education on Auto Man. Yes, I'm aware of Manimal.

It's so funny. Last night, I dove into a YouTube, a black hole going through 1980s shows by year that were canceled after only one season. For me, it's like going back to my childhood, trying to remember some of these. So it was such a fun time. Are you aware that the actor that played Manimal also auditioned for James Bond? I did not, though, that. We could have had our first James Bond,

who was blonde in the living daylights. Oh, that would have been interesting to see him play. I liked him on Manimal. So, yeah, well, nice. Thanks, Simon. Part two, preferably I would like Annie McDowell to be the Bond girl from Greystroke to Bond to Hudson Hawk, and John will not play Nintendo with me

because I dare to challenge his geekdom. I don't play Nintendo. been forever. I'm a PS5 guy now. So that's the main reason I don't play Nintendo. But thank you, Simon, appreciate. And I loved Andy as well through the 80s. And, you know, her daughter is fantastic. So she's certainly making a name for herself for sure. Jason Ashcroft, the collab, we all wanted. Oh, thank you, Jason. Yeah, appreciate that. Go, pal says, welcome, Roka. I have to cut out early but support. Thank you, go, pal. Jason says, excited for Avengers, Doomsday? Do you guys think Fastbender or Maccable?

will show up in either that or Doomsday, or probably either Secret Wars or Doomsday. What do you think there, Sean? I mean, obviously this, this doomsday, they're leaning into the OG timeline. Yeah. I mean, like I feel like all bets are off. I'm not surprised at anything that kind of happens

with how open they are with these things. So Secret Wars, I feel like it's everything's going to do. They're going to do all of it across the two movies. I did watch just yesterday a video where Fossit Bender went through his career and talked about his favorite memory from each of his movies. Is that the Vanity Fair? Whatever they do, yeah.

One of those things, yeah, your favorite movie memory from every movie you've done. No X-Men were mentioned. Oh, wow. He did everything, and they even, like, cut to like the helmet on him and stuff when he says, every movie I've ever been in, and then it cuts, puts the helmet on it says, except one. And there's nothing from X-Men.

And he wondered like, was that, is he like, he like burned out? Like, he's like a no. I don't know. What does that mean that you like, no X-Men of all of them to not have not one memory to talk about? So I don't know if that meant something. I don't know, Matt, I don't get the feeling McAvoy. I've never gotten that flavor for them.

I haven't from Fossbender until, till this, but I would love to see him show up. That's interesting. They might have been. Let's do. It might have been Sean because they didn't want, like he didn't want to reveal anything or you want to say anything or whatever, but it also could be because maybe he doesn't want to do it anymore. That's very possible. I think you're absolutely going to see at least McAvoy.

After Sean said what he said, maybe not Fast Menor, but I think you're going to at least see Macavoy because you're bringing all the old school X-Men back. And you've already announced Patrick Stewart in that, I think in that chair thing. So the fact that you connected them already in days of future past, I think it makes sense that they would absolutely show up. If you want to just go all out, two Professor X's next to each other in a big showdown, like you just do all of it and you just do the, you can't go bigger than this. You just go for it. Yeah, agree with that 100%. Jason Ashcroft says, I just wish the Reeves Batman universe would continue.

I'm excited for gun, but I hate that I feel like I have to pick sides. The Reeves Batman universe is my favorite thing DC has done in years. Yeah, Sean, what do you think there? I mean, whenever they first announced Reeves, when Affleck was out and they said, if we're going to get Reeves to do it, I was like, this is fantastic. This guy does smart blockbusters that have like a Shakespearean element to them

while apes that are battling each other. This is perfect. And then we got the movie. And I was like, yes, this is the Batman. I've been waiting for for so long. And then unfortunately, sorry, I clicked on something. My computer and I started talking to my head. But we got the movie.

and it was the detective Batman story I've wanted all this time. Right. And then Penguin was like, well, this is really good too. And then it feels like we're stalling. Yeah, yeah. So it's missing out on something

that I think was really good. And unfortunately, whether that's because of personal issues with him or just the unfortunate world of Warner Brothers being, whatever Warner Brothers has been the last several years, whatever it is, I hope we don't miss out on this movie. I don't feel like I need to pick sides

I'm perfectly fine to have different things kind of going on I know there's people that play those games but I don't let them be silly if they want to do high school politics with your super comic book franchises and stuff you could do that and I'll be like it's not being annoying but you know

I'm perfectly fine if we've got our very kind of more grounded Reeves version and then the DCU one goes all out with a interconnected Batman in a universe with flying aliens I'm cool with having both of those but Yeah, it's the world we live in now that everything. Yeah, I'm with you though.

Yeah, exactly. I'm with you. Picking sides doesn't make sense. To me, it's more a matter of like, look, you want to see good content from both sides. So whatever is working here, and they've already said it's a big umbrella with the elseworld stuff, with the main stuff. So to me, that's the way you go about it and have fun with it. And I think we are going to see more from the Reeves Batman universe.

It's just like, how is that going to come about? And I think we have to be patient and wait to see what decisions they make. And look, it's not like Matt Reeves dies if the universe doesn't work. Matt Reeves will move on and do something else. And we'll follow what Matt Reeves does and be excited to see what new thing he does. It might be Marvel. Who knows? It could be interesting.

Sean McCabe says, Roque, always good to see you, brother. You two, Sean. Thank you. From one, Sean, to another. Welcome to the crew, pal. I'm wishing you much continued success and congratulations, Sean. So there you go. Nice.

Mike Joyce says, given the scale of the destruction, the Holy War causes, is Patinson's character really a villain? Also, since his character is a shapeshifter, I hope he turns into Kristen Stewart at one point. Look, I think they'd love to have Kristen

Stewart in the Dune franchise, so that's not necessarily a negative, but as Sean mentioned, neither one of us have read the books, so I don't know what the Holy War is here, so I can't opine on him being a villain or not being a villain, credibly or not. Anything you want to say on this show?

Just based on what we know from having seen the movies, part of the appeal of the world of Dune is the moral complexity. Yes. Our hero, Paul, is also manipulating people. And he himself is the creation of a manipulation. And it plays out the hero's journey while inverting the hero's journey. And so the idea that you would have a villain, that he's the antagonist of the story.

Yeah. But he's also, in another sense, morally correct or something like that, that's exactly the complexity that made me enjoy the Dune movies. It has all of the hallmarks of a classic blockbuster in the victories, but it's all more complicated. There's always that second layer to it. Yeah, yeah, agree with him. Goebel also says Pattinson has a good look for the base version of Sightel in Dune Messiah, and he's a good actor, so I think he'll make a good addition. Yeah, I think Sean and I both felt the same way. SJ6 360, SJC 360 says,

if Christopher and Jonathan Nolan had to make a Transformers or Terminator movie, which would be more successful. Well, Jonathan was one of the screenwriters on Terminator Salvation, so he, in a little bit of a sense, we do have a bit of a Nolan Terminator movie, though there's a lot of other stuff that happened there. Yeah, yeah. I would say they'd be more successful with Terminator.

There's more to explore with that. I mean, you have to play mainstream with Transformers. You don't necessarily have to do that with Terminator. So I think both Nolan's would, it'd be real curious to see what they could create in a Terminator franchise. It could be a Dan Tractenberg situation where they revitalize it if they were to jump into it. And Nolan is like obsessed with time. And you're talking about one of the most famous time travel franchises. So you think no two Nolan's brains playing around with time travel.

mechanics in the world of Terminator. And I hear that and go, oh, that could be really cool. Yeah. They do with that. But I would certainly go Terminator over Transformers, because Transformers is, you want it to be that mainstream cop popcorn fighting robots.

And I want my Terminator to be smart. Yeah. If I'm paramount, I am waiting for Sean Levy to be available, and I am immediately pitching him the Transformers franchise. If I am paramount, right? Because I mean, Real Steel was really cool as well. well, that's kind of a maybe a dash of that.

So to have Sean come in and take over Transformers, I think would be great. Like you said earlier, he has a creator, Sean Levy is he's a popcorn filmmaker. That's his thing. He's not the autour. He's not the guy who's super distinct style, but he delivers quality films that people love. That's what that franchise is. Exactly. Exactly.

And that's no, that's, and I want to make it clear, that's no knock on Sean. It's more a matter of everyone has their strengths. And this is where Sean's strengths lie so far. Goopal says, Chani is Paul's concubine like Jessica was Lettos. Irlin is the wife to legitimize Paul's claim to the throne, but never had any affection from him stated explicitly in the first and second books. Yeah, we do know that, Gopal, from what we saw in the movie, it's very clear that she's not.

She's marrying him out of convenience to save her grandfather and all of that. But the Chani situation, yes, you're saying she is Paul's concubine in the novels. I don't think they're going to play her as his concubine in the story, because they already changed her actions and behaviors at the end of Dune Part 2, from what you saw in the books, where she willingly went underneath Paul that's different in the approach. I think you're going to give, I think China's going to have much more agency.

And I know someone like Zendaya doesn't want to play someone's concubine. That's not exciting for her. There's more to come from her in that role, for sure. You think I'm off base on that, Sean, or what do you feel? No, I think you're totally right. Of the, you know, the little changes that you make and that both to where audiences are at versus the 1960s versus the actually bring in of like you just make for a stronger character and yeah agree draws and day into the part yeah uh mr penguin says it seems like matt reeves

knew kind of where the universe was going with all these shows like the gotham cop show the arkum asylum and it seems like how that halted with the change of leaders at dc yeah sean there is an alternate universe where reeves is the guy that is kind of rebuilding the dc universe It's even the way you phrase that It's kind of interesting of like Obviously they gave it to James Gunn you wonder Was there a point in time where they were thinking Let's launch off Matt Reeves

And maybe he just went no I want to do the grounded Batman stuff Like I'll do my Batman universe We'll build that out but like I don't I don't want flying people and aliens and stuff I just want to play in the Batman sandbox You wonder if that's what it was And he started to do that

and then the regime change. And like there's so many things that were mentioned or announced and all we've gotten is penguin. And apparently we don't even have a Batman 2 script yet. You go, yeah. Yeah. You start to wonder. I know a lot of people get upset.

They're like, why are people trying to create issues with Matt Reeves? It's not that. It's that you're reading the tea leaves. And this is what looks like you, you can't help when you're an analyst. You can't help. But look at these things and go,

look, this is veering in a certain direction. That's all we're saying. Go pal back again and saying, Sean, is there Toadies outside of Possum Kingdom? I should check out. Grunge is my home, but I only know Toadies from the radio in high school slash college. So if you don't know, Toadies is a Texas rock band. They're kind of like Texas's response to the Pixies. In the second trailer for Thunderbolts, there's this song where they're like,

do you want to die? Do you want to die? That's the Toadies. It's their song, The Awesome Kingdom. To give the point of reference. So I heard that as someone from Central Texas that saw the Toadies live a zillion times. 20 years ago decided to get the shirt and represent them. Their whole album, Rubberneck that Possum, Possum Kingdom is on.

It's, it's great. If you like Toadies with a different, or excuse me, if you like the Pixies with a different flare, give them a try. The other singles were Tyler and Away, but that album in Hell Below a Stars Above, those two albums are both ones that I thoroughly enjoyed and saw them play live so many times in the early zero. Wow. Wow.

There you go. Nice stuff. There you go. I'll put that on my list. Cool cast, Gigi says, Hello, Outlaw Nation of Mr. Sean Chandler talks about. Please give me each of your top five movies of the year. I mean, I think those are kind of videos we would do on our channel,

so I don't know, maybe a couple. Sean, what about it? You got a couple that spring to mine right now? Yeah, I mean, one coming out this weekend, warfare, I've seen that one. Nice. I thought it was great. Just like a very immersive film. I don't feel like it's thus far.

We don't have a bunch of like top contenders for what I think will actually be my favorites of the year at the end of the year. But I thought Nova Kane from last month was an absolute blast. That was fun. I thought companion in January was a fun little thriller with a twist to it. But I don't feel like we've gotten a bunch of like great stuff just yet. But we're early in the year. I have to say, I saw the amateur the other night. I thoroughly enjoyed it.

And that's one of my favorites. And I'm going to do a review of it tomorrow, I think, or Friday. I liked it. And it's a patient thriller. and revenge movie in a style I've never seen before, and it's a Rami Malik I've never seen before that I thoroughly enjoyed. And Rachel Brosnahan. Getting some more screen time for Rachel Brosnahan was great to see in that movie as well.

So I'll throw that in there and Nova Kane as well. I thoroughly enjoyed that as well. Cool, Cass Gigi says, dumb question, please forgive me, but what's the point of bringing back the OG vendors if the Thunderbolts will be the Dark Avengers for Doomsday? Well, I haven't written the script, so I don't know, but I think it's more. I think it's more to kind of hand the torch off if they're going to do that. And with Secret Wars,

you're going to have multiple teams fighting throughout. So I think it's just a matter of getting fans back in who are excited, who maybe walked away. I think from the current version of MCU and want their old people back. You know, it's like you go see a band. Some people

go to see them play their hits. Some people go to see them play their new music. And so you bands sometimes have to satisfy both masters, so to speak. What do you think, show? Exactly. It's that. As soon as you put a poster out there that has Robert Downey Jr.,

we got Chris Hemsworth, you sell tickets. It says Avengers and it has the original Avengers, you sell tickets, more so than if you put Wyatt Russell on the poster. He's not going to sell tickets the way the OGO Avengers will. But also you can just look at what these movies are. This is a quantity approach of like all of your toys. We're going to play with all of them in these two movies. They're all in there.

Fox Fantastic Four, the new ones, the old ones, it's all in here. Yeah, we're using the whole backyard with all the toys. Get ready, exactly. Chris Greiner says, do you think that the tariffs will affect award season with possibilities of less foreign films being distributed in the U.S.? Or does that not matter for nominations? That's tough. I'm not sure how tariffs would affect.

Again, I think this is all going to be settled. He already backed off the tariffs this morning with 75 countries. So to me, this, he's getting... He's given them a 90-day grace period for right now. So to me, I think this tariff stuff is going to go by the wayside very soon. And I don't think we'll have to worry about any of this stuff. But I think it would depend country by country. How it would affect the foreign nominations or foreign films coming over?

What do you think, Sean? Yeah, I don't know what the exact qualifications are for foreign movies to be nominated in the category. But, you know, for domestic films, they have to play in a certain number of theaters. But it's not a lot. That's why these movies will get a limited release. in New York and L.A. I don't think the tariffs are going to stop that from happening and there's still film festival.

So I don't think in the terms of awards, that's not where I think the big effect would be. I think the question earlier about if they stuck out, what would that mean for China? I could see that being meaningful. Yeah, yeah. Because the requirements are like four screens or something like that. Yeah. You know, I don't think a tariff's going to stop that. Also, I mean, I think there are so many incredible networks that, like movie that show foreign

films and so if you wanted to go see those you really realize like the foreign film category is nice for whoever wins it but there are so many foreign films that are incredible for so many different countries that we're not even seeing like the the tippy top of the cream uh because there's so much of foreign so many great foreign films out there uh jason ashtroff do you guys think we will ever see moon night show up again he was so sick oh 100 percent he's shown up in mc u at some point in Secret Wars or something. What do you think? I mean, this has been kind of my frustration with phases four and five

is that they keep introducing cool characters. And then it's like, what are we going to see him again? I don't know. Shang Chi. It's like, I'm glad he was on the chair. But it's like, why don't we, we should have already had Shang Chi too last year or this year. And there's just a lot of that. I just introducing too many characters without developing them and having more time

with them. So you get a great actor playing an interesting character. that's unique, distinct, wildly different from all of our other superheroes at one season. Yeah. So it would seem like a waste, waste if we don't see him again. But I don't know, like, what is your plan for him? And it's the sort of thing of like if you throw him into Secret Wars or something like that, it would just be like he shows up in a fight to like fight somebody.

That's not satisfying. Right. So what is their plan? That's my frustration with so much of this of, you got me excited for something. You got me invested in it. and there's never that there hasn't been that follow-up with most of these characters. Yeah. No, it's fascinating.

No, you're a great point with that because, Sean, I mean, the Marvel universe is trying to operate. They try to operate it a little bit like having their cake and eat it too. And that like, we're going to come out with these shows. And if they don't hit that hard, ratings-wise or creatively, we're just going to, you know, not do a season to do and move away from it. But it's like they're in a network when you're releasing shows, sometimes you have to have faith in a show. So when you can bring it back for a second season and see how people respond, then if people don't like it, then you've got a good idea and you can do what you can do. But like, Seinfeld was getting terrible ratings.

Cheers didn't strike initially. So there's all kinds of stories of even and or didn't get the greatest ratings beginning. And then eventually picked up steam as it went along. So breaking bad, cobra cry. There's so many examples of things that it was in the middle of the run where something happened and it exploded. And I think the way that Disney has handled these Disney. Disney Plus shows in some of these new characters where it's like, let's just wait and see, you've killed the momentum on all of them.

Yeah. Whereas very early on, you know, Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, even the Avengers, they're all getting sequels, multiple movies, Guardians of the Galaxy, everything gets a sequel. So you were invested in the characters and building momentum with them. And they should have done that with Moon Knight. Yeah. Weird that they didn't. That's a great point.

Yeah, because if people stopped after Iron Man 2 or Thor Dark World, we wouldn't have gotten Iron Man 3, which I kind of personally like from Shane Black. But then Thor, Ragnorock would have never been. And so those, those things, you kind of have to stick it out sometimes. So studios forget that, I guess. Mixed, Ms. Mastacks, D's support for Sean and Roba. Thank you, Mistax. Jason Ascroft says, people forget how good Force Awakens is.

Yes, the sequel trilogy was a massive disappointment, but Force Awakens was awesome. Feel bad for JJ Abrams. And what do you think, Sean? Yeah, I mean, it's a really fun movie. It's a movie that I think has been hurt by them, just the way the two follow-ups went, where they couldn't commit to everything, where it feels like both of those movies

are like antagonistic towards the movie they came before. I was like, undo it. It's like, what could you just stick to commit to something? And I wish that they had, whether it picked JJ or whatever it was, then do one person do the trilogy and mapped it out beforehand so it felt cohesive and consistent.

But yeah, that movie, you watch it, and it's a really fun Star Wars experience. It's safe, but safe isn't a bad thing. Yeah. You, like in December, 2015,

did I have a great Star Wars experience? Was I excited about Star Wars again? Absolutely I was. And that's what their goal was. And so they succeeded. Yeah.

I agree with you 100%. I rewatched an hour of it, I think a week ago. And I just found myself with a smile on my face the whole time watching it because there was so much hope and promise of what was to come. So you were like,

this is, I love the lightness here. I love, I enjoy Daisy Ridley. I like what we're doing, where we're going. let's see what's going to happen. And then, of course, we saw what happened. So, yeah.

People don't like RISE gets a bad taste in their mouth, but JJ's great at making these roller coaster rides with most of his movies. You get on the ride and sometimes you think about the logic. You might run into issues, but you just get along for this ride and they're a ton of fun. Yeah, yeah, good point. Jason Ashcroft says, I'd like to see Ray show up again, her own project or leave as well. I mean, that's the plan. If it comes to fruition for her to have her own movie,

Kathleen's been pushing for that for a while now, but we, like Batman Part 2, we keep getting delays. Writers are changing. We don't know what is going to happen with that movie. I don't think Charmino-Ba-Chon-I will end up directing it. And I don't even know if it's even going to, if it's even going to happen, maybe she just appears in Sean Levy's film. I don't know. What are your thoughts at this point, Sean, on a Ray film? Yeah, I don't know what to me.

It's so discouraging. Like, I remember when they announced Disney bought Star Wars, and I was running. around the halls of where I was working. Did you hear they're going to get new Star Wars? We're going to get a new Star Wars movie. And it's reached a point in time where you hear they're making, we're doing a new Star Wars movie and you go, I doubt it. Yeah.

I don't think anything's going to come to that. And that's so discouraging to not be able to trust, like, things that should be so exciting. Things that like in my world, I'm thinking, okay, now my, like my girls are getting old enough that this could be a Star Wars movie that's made for them. Yeah. And get them excited about it. But instead of my, I mean, I don't think it's ever going to happen.

So, yeah, like, I just don't trust any of the movie announcements. Like, Mando and Grogu, supposedly it's shot, but until I see a frame, I'm not convinced this thing's actually coming out. Because it's just so intangible. And if so many things are canceled, I got to see a frame before I believe it. Yeah, that's a great point. It's crazy how many of these things have been canceled. It's wild. I know, I know.

I do a Star Wars show on my channel, my friend Laura Kelly, who is a massive, massive Star Wars fan. even she's become like enough enough with the snake bitten i don't believe anything like you until i see a frame of it on the screen so yeah uh shjc 360 john that's not christian can you introduce him i already did it's sean baker i introduced it uh introduced to john chanler oh chanler sorry that john baker's a director is that a great year uh that's right uh that's right honor that's right sean chanler and sean chanler talks about is his youtube channel uh but so go back SJC 360 at the beginning of the show and the hour and five minutes section of the show and Sean talks about his stuff there. Jason Ashcroft says, man, Adam Driver was so good as

Kyle Ren. I would love to see Marvel or DC cast him. I wanted him as Reed Richards or Doom personally. Well, I mean, according to Jeff on the hot mic, he said that Adam had kind of priced himself out of the role. They didn't want to pay too much for these roles of Fantastic for because Disney was cutting budget. So that's, I think, what ended up doing that. But that being said, I also don't know that Adam wants to go franchise shopping again. I think this, I think he did it with Star Wars, and it was a hell of a reaction. And I think maybe he wants to stay where he's at.

What do you think, Sean? Well, I mean, he seems like an actual serious Thespian. Like, he could have fun. He'll do silly roles. But you look at what he's done after Star Wars, even during Star Wars. He used that as a springboard, and he just started collecting big directors that he's worked with. And so, you know, he's working with Ridley Scott and these other directors that are that it's like, he's working with the people that he thinks the best at what they do,

right, very different types of roles, very different types of films. And if he wants to do a big franchise, as you just said with, you know, started talking to him, um, pricing himself out, it's like, yeah, if he'll pay me a ton of money, I'll do it, but that's not what I want to do. Right. You can trust that with Pedro. Pedro seems like he's very, very, he's very, he's very, happy like yeah you want me to put me in all the franchises people cool yeah i've been in this industry a long time if everybody wants me right now let's do it yeah i'm gonna make that money of course uh jimmy some body says sending in support thank you jimmy uh joey peddras we need sean on the channel more i agree sean's a great great addition and you know but sean's also busy doing his own

content flying across the country interviewing directors you know it's not easy to nail him down Have you got something new coming soon? What do you got coming up in the channel this week, man? Do you have anything you can preview or anything new popping up on going into the weekend? Yeah, it started to be a pretty busy week because I just interviewed the director of the movie Drop that's coming out. So that's what I just posted. And then I actually interviewed the director of a goofy movie. The 30th anniversary is this week.

And then they're doing a documentary, not just a goof. So I interviewed the director of that as well as the people that did the documentary. And so just several cool things like that kind of I've been able to do. It's like it's a new direction that I've been leading it in the recent future of just getting some of those opportunities opening up and having fun with it. And once again, all this stuff that it's still like, how is this my life? I'm sitting down talking to the director of a movie I just enjoyed. And a movie, like, I got the DM from the director of a goofy movie asking if I'd be interested in interviewing him. Just handed the phone to my wife.

Like, here's the DM I got. And she's like, her wallet is for a goofy movie. So she reads it and she's like, yep, that's how is this my life? Sometimes life is a wild ride. Yeah, if you hold on tight and you're honest with your life, you never know where it can take. That's amazing. Let's see here. Jim once says, Sean, I heard screen junkies, Lon Harris moved to Austin.

Is that true? Do you know that? I didn't know that. Oh, yes. That is true. I mean, I don't know him at all, but I saw him tweet that because he was posting about being in Austin. And so I've exchanged a couple tweets with him. him about Austin traffic because people in Austin complain about the traffic.

Him coming from L.A. He's like, oh, it was cute. People told me they had bad traffic. That's adorable. Try driving in L.A. Yeah. But yes, he gives you. I imagine I might run into some screenings in the near future. Oh, sure. Yeah, he's just a move to your a couple weeks ago. Lon's a perfect energy for Austin. So I think he's going to have a lot of fun down there for sure. Can't be a space. Oh, he just brought a boat. It is on sale. Okay. I don't know. that means. Michael Tompsox says one of Sean

four of minions here. Great to see him on this show. It is true. There you go. Buster Barnes says, out of curiosity, as I have no clue, would Patton have to run it by Reeves regarding Dune or can he just do what he wants? Not sure how this works. I would imagine Warner Brothers had the conversation with both Reeves and

Pattinson and said, listen, Reeves probably says, still not done. Let's push it to 2026. We're going to use Robert in this. you cool with that? Yes, absolutely. I'm sure they all had a discussion about it and clarified it so that he could be available for both if they're going to go that direction.

Right. And the key ingredient, Warner Brothers is over both projects. So, as you said, Warner Brothers is probably the one like guiding it. And as you alluded to earlier, there's a good chance that they were kind of like, all right, if Batman 2's not working, we want to keep him happy, here's our other big gigantic things. Which big gigantic thing would you be interested in? Well, Denny Vol Neuve? I would like to be in his movie.

Yeah. And I imagine there's something like that. kind of going on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, agreed. Daniel Skinner, do you gentlemen think it's fair to say Simul Liu got his big global breakout role in Barbie since that was the movie that cracked the billion? No, he's in Sean Chi, Sean Chi came out for Barbie. So, yeah. Yeah, so Daniel's another one of my supporters over on my family frequently. So, yeah, I mean, he started a Marvel movie. Yeah, period. That's his breakout. Being cast in a Marvel movie, before the movie comes out, that's your breakout. You're the star. You're the title character. That's your breakout. And then it was,

it was nice to see him in Barbie. It was fun. Yeah. He had a lot of great moments in it. But, you know, you didn't leave Barbie thinking, who is that Ken over there? You were thinking about our main Ken and Barbie. So he was great in it. But of course, Pete, when you think about him, you think about Shang Chi. And you should because he's Shang Chi. Yeah, 100%. Where's that sequel, Damn it. Exactly. Jimmy, Somebody says,

great show today. Gentlemen, thoughts on Mobland. Are you watching it, Sean? No, I'm not. And I think that's kind of indicative

of the state of television right now where there's so much stuff where like a show starring Tom Hardy and a Bond and it's like, oh, I haven't been able to get around to it yet. Like there's so many TV shows that are like that level of like,

I love them. And you just can't get around to all of it. Yeah, I haven't watched any of Severance. So it's like I got to catch up to that stuff as well. Or 1923. And I know I got to catch up on that. But I did,

but we're anglophiles here in the outlaws house. So we definitely watched mob land. We watched the first two episodes. I reached out to Paramount so I can get to compress contact because I want to get the rest of the episodes to do an overall review down the road. So yeah, I'm loving it. It's really good. It's some of the best work.

I've seen Tom Hardy doing a while. And this is some, this is the right kind of Guy Ritchie that hits my appreciation of Guy Ritchie. and so if you've been maybe hesitant on some of his projects recently, this is one you should definitely dive into. And yeah, Timith... I'm sorry, Pierce Brosnan.

So good. So good. Francisco Lopez says, hey, guys, Sean, have anybody ever told you that you look like Travis Fimel from Dune Prophecy and Viking? Have you seen... I guess you have. O'Rocard, the Geekbud is going to do a weekly

spoiler read for last of us season two. Yes, we're working on that. I'll announce that soon. But, yeah, Sean, any reaction? to that? I think I've heard the Travis Fimmel comparison before. I think I've heard that one before. I'll take it. I'm fine. Anybody compare me to any movie stars, TV stars. I will take any of it. Yeah. I think I've heard that name before. Right on.

Simon Section says, Sean Toady's triangle, please explain. Are we walking on the ocean? Because I like, love that song. Also enjoyed JJ Star Trek challenging involvement more than Star Wars. Interesting. Okay. I'm not quite sure what the question is on that one, but we talked about the Toadies earlier, Texas man, kind of like the Pixies. They're in the second trailer for Thunderbolts, and I saw them live a zillion times 20 years ago, but yeah.

Yeah. Are we walking on the ocean? Is that a song you know? I don't understand the reference there. Yeah, I'm not, I mean, my brain just could be missing a lyric from one of their songs, but I don't know what that means either off the top of my head. What about JJ Star Trek trilogy?

Would you say that that came off, a little bit better than Star Wars. But I mean, he didn't... I think it because it works in a pocket universe. I think that's because it can stand on its own thing. As a lifelong Star Trek fan, I have my issues with it because it's so... It removes the allegorical elements of Star Trek.

But, like, as just blockbusters, they're a ton of fun, and I have a blast with them. I have very fond memories of that 2009 film. Yes. And, you know, even just recently rewatched it. So, like, very... as their own pocket universe, I'm very fond of them. And an example of JJ Abrams bringing that energy, that life, that roller coaster ride that

he does so well to the world of Star Trek and giving it a blast of fresh air exactly when it needed it. Yeah, yeah, 100% agree with you. Also as a lifelong Star Trek fan, I completely remember sitting in the Cinerama Dome in LA watching 2009 Star Trek before I got into this crazy business, going on opening night. 70 of us were there taking up three rows. just watching the whole thing. It was amazing.

Yeah, Interd Darkness works all the way up until that con moment near the end. Beyond, I'm kind of, Justin Lind was kind of on the fence on that one. But the first one is fantastic. But you make an excellent point about the allegorical stuff. That's an excellent point, Sean. Vincent Zawata says, Warner Brothers feels like the studio come to life.

Okay. The TV show, I imagine. Oh, the TV show, oh, the studio TV show come to life. Yeah, kind of. And that's exactly what the show's supposed to be. They're literally like taking every weird little episode they've had in 20 years in Hollywood, and let's make that into an episode of the show. Yeah, yeah, agree.

Agreed. It seems what Warner Brothers is up to. Except Zazlov, I don't think, would be as nice as, you know, as he is in that show. Daniel Skinner, are you guys planning on watching the new Violet Davis Amazon prime action thriller tomorrow where she's the president and has to find. a homelander. I've seen the trailer. I think G20 is what it's called. I've seen the trailers, but yeah, yeah, but I'm sure I'll watch it over the weekend. What about you, Sean? Are you stacked up with busy? Are you going to be able to watch this? It's that, like, the genre, the cast, all

things that I really enjoy, there's just so many things out there. Yeah. And I think that's hurting almost everyone. It's a great point. There's so much great stuff out there. Yeah, yeah. And I think is our last one. Oh, no, we got a couple more here. Francisco Lopez, have you guys watched The Pit? The show is great. That's another one I haven't watched. Have you been watching the pit, Sean, or no? No, and I've only heard fantastic things about, like, television's

finally coming alive. It's perfect. I haven't watched any of it because there's no time. There's so much, all of the, so many movies, so many TV shows. And then just like, I started watching some old TV shows from 20 years ago on streaming and got hooked on these old shows and stuff

and there's, when you have access to everything all the time. I know. It's tough. And sometimes it's daunting to start something. Because, I mean, I have time. My lady goes to bed at like 9.30. So I have two hours before I get to bed because I don't like to sleep before midnight. And sometimes the thought of starting a show with all the extra stuff on it, late at night, it doesn't necessarily appeal to me.

What I like to go is, like you said, go watch old episodes of cheers or family ties or old lawn orders or something. That is more pleasurable to me. and starting the this daunting task. So yeah. There's like a weight to it. If I watch the pit, people are going to ask me about it. If I just throw something on,

just because I want to watch it. Like it's so detached from my job, which is watching things to talk about them. Yeah, people, people from the outside think it's amazing. You can get these things and watch them all over you. But you do burn out in the fact that you, it seems like your own personal choice is being removed from you

because you've got to watch these things in order to put up content in order to put a video. So, yeah, people on the outside don't seem to understand that, and it's a lot of responsibility, you know. Simon Section says, Toe the Wet Sprocket, 90s song, Walk on the, oh, right. Gotcha, okay, different band. Yes, yes. All Fall Down is my favorite wet sprocket song.

Zeus Fleming, old, trek, new track, I enjoy it all. Shout out to you, Zeus. He also says, can we get more feel-good shows in movies like Ted Lasso or Shrinking? Shrinking's another one. I've watched a lot of people on it. Yeah, we're getting a season four of Ted Lassau. So it is coming back. So for those who've seen it, so there you go.

Yeah. Anytime something's a hit, Hollywood pays attention. So all the great buzz Ted Lesso got almost certainly there's something happening where they're trying to recapture that that just hasn't come out yet, whatever it is. Absolutely. Absolutely. All right. Well, that's all the stream labs we have for today. Sean, another great show here on the Christian Hall-Lav Show.

And thank you so much for being a part of it. one more time. Please let people know where they can find you on social media and where they can subscribe to the content you do there on YouTube. Yeah, my name's Sean Chandler. My YouTube channel is Sean Chandler talks about. If you look up Sean Chandler, you find an NFL player or you find me. On Twitter, it's Kirk Never Died. That is a Star Trek reference. And Sean talks about on Instagram. I love that that is. So real quick, is that because you don't like the way it happen in generations or is it because yeah it's an overt reference to generations of uh there's a lot of things in generations i like but if like yeah that's what you're doing with kirk that's the way that it plays

out really really um but yeah my that the handle that i use on twitter it's the technically my youtube channel is actually kirk never died and it's just the thing i years before i started that you started posting content i just had the handle for the youtube channel and it's a start trick reference I appreciate and love it because he acted the hell out of that moment. His, oh, my, is amazing. And it always brings me to tears. But I agree with you. They never should have killed him all.

All right. Well, Kenya King says, can we get Mars attacks versus predator or terminator? That would be fun. I'm down with that. All right, Sean, thanks so much for taking the time, man. Always great to be in the room with you or be here over Zoom. You have such a great energy. So I hope to hang out with you more.

Hope to see you more. But much love to you, man. Thanks for taking the time. I appreciate it. And I was honored to be asked into to get to talk movies with you today. Right on, man. Take care. Be well.

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