The Kristian Harloff Show - RUMOR! Is Henry Cavill playing Wolverine Variant in Deadpool 3?

Episode Date: March 15, 2024

Become a Patron!: https://www.patreon.com/TheBigThingShow On today's show, we discussed the rumor that Henry Cavill might be playing wolverine in Deadpool and Wolverine. True? False? Another rumor? However, there are credible rumors that he is going to be in marvel in some capacity. What will that be? Dr. June? Something else? We also discussed the X-Men. Not just Cavel potential role, but X-Men 97 is a brand new animated series continuing the old series. We also discussed the controversial firing of the showrunner.we dive into the comments about Batman again. The crow trailer dropped. It didn't seem like a lot of people liked it, except us! Comment, as always subscribe. #DC #Movies #Marvel #MCU #Pro #Superman #HenryCavill #XMen  OUR SPONSORS: AG1: http://www.drinkAG1.com/BIGTHING FACTOR Head to http://www.FACTORMEALS.com/bigthing50 and use code bigthing50 to get 50% off!! ROBINHOOD: OFFER GOOD THROUGH APRIL 30th! http://www.robinhood.com/boost MANDO: 5 Bucks off starter pack when you go to http://www.shopmando.com CODE: BIGTHING  OUR MERCH STORE IS LIVE: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/the-... FOLLOW KRISTIAN + FIND HIM ON CAMEO https://cameo.com/kristianharloff https://twitter.com/kristianharloff https://facebook.com/harloff https://instagram.com/kristianharloff AMAZON WISHLIST: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls...

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We do all that stuff. All right, it's capes and cows, everybody. Let's do it. Here we go. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to capes and cows. Christian Harlov, Coy, Jondro, Winston A. Marshall. To me, my X-Men. At first I was like, who are you?

Cyclops? He's like, no, no, no. It's the long-haired Magneto. I love long hair magnino. I love that hair to. Dude, it's, it's luxurious. It's really, it really is elegant.

He looks like he smells like sandalwood. Just has an ambiance about him. It just wears himself. It was so good. Sandalwood and cigals. It's just got a vibe, man. What I don't understand, I'll tell you this,

is that you guys know me, more so that of the three of us. I like to, politics and things of that nature. I hate when people are so blatant about it on Twitter and Instagram and on awards ceremonies and everything, too. But when I see someone go, well, the X-Men are too political and this X-Men series looks woke.

I'm like, have you ever read an X-Men comic? Real talk. The whole thing started off as... They were the definition of woke. Which is funny because that's not even know what the... Anyway, it started off as an allegorion for the civil rights movement. And then it further pushed into LGBTQ rights and everything. else and they've never hidden that.

It's always been there. Ever. The whole thing is like it's not subtle. No, it's like we're different. We have to come out to our parents to let them know we're different. A lot of our, a lot of the parents are like, get them out of here you take them. And all the shit that was going, like, it's like, what are you

watching? It's like, because I saw so because we talked about last night on our out of the theater reaction. I said, look, this is sticks true to what the X-Men do. And it's this political kind of commentary overall and they stick to that and someone goes, oh, politics, I'm out. I'm like, well, they said that in the comment.

In the comments, I'm like, I'm like, look, it's one thing if it's like, if somebody does a weekend to Bernie remake, weekend of Bernie's remake, and it's like, dude, this whole thing is very like politically. Like, why? Yeah, that's very different. But if you make a political thriller and it's political, perhaps it wasn't for you. Right. So that one I didn't understand.

I didn't get that because. Those people don't deserve art. Like, if you're that dumb, you don't deserve to be attained. It's media literacy is at an all-time. Again, stupid people don't deserve nice things. But I do think it's an argument sometimes. I'll tell you sometimes when it's just like, oh, the politics on this. You're just going towards one lane.

We're not talking about that. We're talking about like the comprehension of a commentary of the X-Men. You brought a politics, Chris. What I will say is this. I will say that there's sometimes though when people, when, and you see it a lot lately that studios don't understand that you got to go to both sides of the aisle, and they have not been doing that recently. They have been going one side of the aisle. It's true.

but when it comes to X-Men, it's always been, this is what it is. So either way, let's talk about, let's start with that. We'll start with X-Men 97, because we're already there. All right, everybody, X-Men 97 gets glowing first reactions amid shocking showrunner firing. This is from Mark Cassidy over at Comic Book movie. The first social media reactions to the three-episode premiere of Marvel Studios animated revival series X-Men 97 have been shared online following creator Bo DeMaio's recent firing. Marvel Studios animated revival series X-Men 97 made headlines earlier this week after a somewhat shocking development,

the firing of showrunner Bo DeMeo just days away from the show's Disney Plus premiere on March 20th. DeMayo, who previously worked on Moon Night, as well as early drafts of the upcoming Blade reboot, is said to have parted ways suddenly with Marvel last week. No reason for this falling out was given, but DeMayo's company email and Instagram have been deactivated, and cast and crew have been reportedly informed that he is no longer on. the project. We still don't know exactly what led to him being taken off the project. There are rumors that it might have something to do with his only fans account, but X-Men 97 is now back in the news for a more positive reason. Following the show's three-episode premiere, critics have been

sharing their first reactions to social media and what sounds a little more like a few nitpicks aside, they are glowing. Jamie Jirac from Jamie Cinematic says the first three episodes of X-Men 97 are epic. It exceeds expectations in every way. The nostalgia is strong, but it's just so much more. Beautiful animation, excellent storytelling, and above all, my favorite thing about the X-Men is the drama. James Whitbrook. Okay, now I can say that I've seen the first three episodes. It's on the whole good, a solid continuation, but that means it has a few of the show stumbling points, too. When it's great, it's great, and so far that it's more often than not, Scott fans will be feasting. Everybody just loving on it. The official synopsis says,

Storm and Wolverine, try to continue the X-Men. Magnino comes in and wants to step up for Charles. Sinister comes in and try to end the X-Men once and for all. Okay. So we've all seen this. Okay. So you guys have watched the series lead. I know that you have for sure. You watched the entire lead-up going up to you.

You watched. So I hadn't. I didn't re-watch, but I've seen them. You've seen them. Yeah. I re-watch it like every 18 months. I remember it. I think that you guys were kids when this thing was on.

And I was like, I was a teenager or a little later. Oh, when did it come out? 96 no 92 to 96 so I was like I was in high school so you know I was like so when I I noticed it was on like I think my brother watched it you know and I would like notice it was on and I was an X-man comics fan so I remember like if it was on and I tuned and I saw it I was like oh yeah this this is cool and I always remember it I remember that theme everybody remembers the theme and so I didn't really remember enough the storylines so when I was watching Winston Winston would say oh yeah this happened in in the finale of like season whatever it was

five or whatever. And very easy to catch up to, especially if you know the X-Men. It felt approachable without- Very much so. I love this series. I love the first three episodes that I saw. Because I'm an X-Men fan. It made me excited what we were talking about.

Just the feeling of talking about X-Men again. They got to lead with X-Men. They've got to be everywhere. And I'll push back because I know that there's at least 10 of you that does this every time. So let's do it. Michael Keaton-style to Danny DeVita and Arnold Schwarzener. I'll tell you right. I'm going to do it every time.

The X-Men should have single movies leading to one X-Men event. Come on and disagree with me. I love when you do it because you're wrong. They should all have their own single movies, especially when you see the detail that Rogue has and Storm has, and they can all lead up in the same way that Captain America did, and Tony did, and you lead up to a big X-Men event. I would push back on that.

You're wrong. No, but I'm going to tell you why. I'll give you a better way to do that. Because I think, it's fine. You part all you want. you get some Bino. So I would say, like, with some of these characters, they're all very flushed out in their lore and everything else like that. I think what might be a little bit stronger is if you almost treat it kind of like, if you do kind of like a mini-series type situation where each one of them gets like a werewolf by night, like length of their own.

Yeah. You said that, but the problem is that Disney's not doing that right now. And Disney wants to make money. And the other thing is you get Captain, or what is it, the Marvels, and you get these movies, the Eternals that no one gives a shit about. And when you have the X-Men, I would much rather see a Storm movie than I would the Marvels. I would much rather see, you know, a lot of these movies that are coming out, I would much rather see the, because I know it's going to lead to an event that's not multiverse,

that's not all this stuff. It leads to like a Super Team. I'd say split the difference. I think there are some X-Men that deserve their own movies, Storm especially, because her cinematic backstory is like why not like we should have long ago i think cyclops i think certain characters i don't think if you have a six x-men team you need x-men to be the seventh movie sure but i think that somewhere in between like you have maybe cyclops and jean have a love story yeah well look antmen didn't get a movie until after the first event so you like i would love to see something like

a love story drama between scott and jean that then when we get the x-men we know them a storm gets a real movie and then you If you're gonna do that because remember they tried Fox tried this previously when they were gonna do all their X-Men origin movies and it started with Wolverine it was so trashed they canceled Magneto and everything after it. And they put some of that

into the first class movie. They like gave him those three scenes that were gonna be his whole movie which shows how good that would have been. Exactly. So if you're gonna do that then I don't really agree with anybody maybe other than Logan kind of having his solo whatever. I would say then pair them off and

And if you're going to do, it's Cyclops and Gene. And so how they ultimately met as part of that first class and you focus on them. So it is showing the old, the first beginning of it. I think you could do circus life night crawler. I think you could do a thief into like Gambit. You can make them smaller, yeah. Yeah, like those movies are ready. I guess that's what I was saying is if you pair them off like that.

So then I know we already kind of got a Magneto and Charles story, but if you're redoing this for the MCU, you could do one with that. And their friendship leading up to the split. you know, I guess you could do that, but like the idea of, for example, having a Jubilee movie. No, no, I'm not saying, but that's not what I'm saying. I mean, more so, like,

just not every X-Men should have their own movie, but I mean, in the same way that if you're going to look at the way that they did leading in from phase one, is where Captain America, you know, Thor, they had a couple movies beforehand, and that led into a big event thing because I just don't want,

it's just, they're pulling up these obscure characters in Marvel now and doing all these things that it's like, there's no pure direction. And we were way off course. The point is that... The show is great. But it starts this conversation.

It starts this conversation in that show because it shows you how deep... Like this is a different storyline where you got long-haired Magneto coming back after the events of what happened with Charles. And he made a promise to his friend. So he's going to come back. But they got to trust him. And all the essence of the X-Men is there. Like the stuff that you know about it. But there's like if you know anything, even if you've just seen the movies, you can follow a long.

with this because like, oh, okay, well, that essence of what made Magneto special in the comics that transferred to the movies now transfers back to this show. And there's some really, you know, sci-fi stuff that plays into this, especially like the third episode and you can either be really on board with. I said it and are out of the theater reaction. There's a moment at one point. You're like, well, they accepted that pretty quick, you know, but 30-minute runtime. Here we are. And I mean, 30-minute run, which is a nitpick. Which was always the old show, too. Yeah. The old show, they had so much lore and they did so many giant arcs. I think it's just letting the audience, trusting the audience.

The one thing that I think is improved upon in 97 from the OG, part of the OG that a lot of people don't know because we were kids, and there have actually been a couple of little documentaries that have come out on it is the amount of production woes that that show faced because Fox didn't really believe in it, and it was pitched multiple times, and then they finally kind of let it happen, but then there was a delay in animation. So you actually got episode two released before episode one.

And then you kind of had this back and forth when you played the same three episodes for like six months before they eventually. And so because of that, there was a lot of disjointed kind of stuff going on. You couldn't fully get into it until we got deeper into the run of the series. And then you could really just kind of feast on it. I think they did such a good job because you didn't have that issue of having each episode have its own. specific storyline as we move forward as to what is going on with this team post-Charles Xavier and I think someone else mentioned in their view but I like that only the first episode felt like it was just getting you back in I was afraid that and I enjoyed the first

episode but I was afraid the whole show would feel as nostalgic as the first episode the show the show has lots of nostalgia as a character but it just throws you into the storyline and it doesn't it doesn't weigh on it sometimes nostalgia weighs on a show first episode I was like this feels a little too familiar but then once you got to two three, it moves. Yeah. And a lot of that has to do with the fact that every iteration we've seen where we're being essentially introduced to the X-Men always starts with some young mutant on the

run, like having to kind of deal with stuff. And then here comes the team and they try and bring you it like every video game. This show started, the OG started with Jubilee. I'm not going to give away what happens in this first episode, but you have a similar storyline there. The Fox movies, you started with Rogue on the road. Rogue was your eyeline. So it is, they use that as the,

starting point and that's why I think it probably feels so much like an echo. And it was great for one. I was just really, my whole concern about the show was when they called it X-Men 97. I was like, how much of this is going to be like, remember kids? Like, we didn't want to remember. A lot of people have been doing that lately with what, when it comes to nostalgic stuff. Yeah. And look, I didn't know about what was, I was looking at fresh eyes really.

Sure. So I didn't know that's why I was going to hear how approachable it is. Yeah, like everything you said with the first episode, you're like, oh, this is members. To me, it was like, oh, I guess I'm just catching up with stuff. And the one thing that I did is because I just know again from X, from reading X-Men as a kid, knowing friends that worked on the movies and stuff too, there were certain things. Like at one point, I won't spoil it. But I was like, oh, that's so-and-so.

And Winston's like, nice. And I was like, yeah, I knew that. I was actually very impressed. Because I knew it was once that I was like, oh, yeah, that's right. That's so-and-so. I knew that from the lore and I knew that in general. And I thought they played that really well. But what I, what it did for me is that for someone who was like, oh, I'm curious, because I like the X-Men.

I'll watch the show. I don't know if I'll watch the whole series. I want to watch this entire series. I thought the music was really good. And it felt this is a point that I definitely wanted to make here is that we've talked about it how, and to the exhaustion of the fans are like stop talking about the budgets, which I heard you.

But one of the things that I've always talked about is how I want to see like those A-24 feel for like Robocop or like Terminator and smaller budgets. And if you're going to do it like that, make it feel like it was made in 1984. Yeah. This show feels like it was made in 1997. Yeah.

But with like today's cinema angles and music. Yes, because it's like use your tools that you have today. Yeah. But if you're going to tell me that it's X-Men 97, make me feel that it's the same animation and it felt exactly the same. I was afraid to be what-if too much. Yeah, no, it just, it felt like somebody was building a classic car and they did it, but they improved upon it with stuff that we have now.

And I thought it was expertly done. I even like, again, for the people that are saying, you know, okay, this is too nostalgia, whatever, I think two of the really interesting things that they did to make sure It didn't feel fully like that as A. Not a spoiler in the sense that people know Jubilee's in it. Jubilee now having been the young one that came in with this new mutant that comes in, she ends up being, it's this, it's that, like, I've been in your shoes. As well as then what the ending of that episode ends up being.

It really just kind of takes off from there. So where you think you know where this is going, you have zero idea. Is the rest of the series, the first five, is that on Disney Plus right now? Okay, because I probably, what it did is, and it's probably going to do this to a lot of people, I want to go back and watch now. I was going to say my two favorite elements of this are what we talked about with getting the X-Bend back in the conversation and having people go back and make that thing. But also, the show doesn't feel like other Marvel shows in that a lot of other Marvel shows have some drama and gossip.

But overall, they're, you know, telling a narrative and overarching story and there's lots of action. This has plenty of action, but X-Men are dramatic. Yes. They're super gossipy. Like the X-Men are like, it's a soap opera with action. 100%. This feels like a soap opera with action, not action with a soap opera. Yeah.

There's some funny moments. Yeah. Oh, it's generally hilarious. There's a really funny moment. What's it? Morph? There's a funny thing that Morph does to Cyclops is what I'll say. Like in the third episode.

It's hilarious. Not Cyclops, Gambit. Yeah. It's the Gaport's the Gapest. Yeah, but that's the Sycops. It's the Gambit. In the third episode, that is hilarious. It's really good.

I, honestly, I think this is the show that's made me smile the biggest and most of any of the show. I love, you know, you guys know how much. I love Loki and Wanda. The good ones, but they're definitely in a, they're a different thing because like they're X-Men right. You love the X-Men. Yeah, it's mixing nostalgia with my modern love of them. Right.

This perfect blend of like, I'm so happy and my inner child's life. Yeah, yeah. I haven't been this excited about any comic book media, I would say, since no way home. Right. And I loved Wakanda forever. I loved Guardians. I love Spider-Verse. There was, I absolutely adored Spider-Verse.

I know for you that it's like top tier, probably your best comic book movie ever. There was something very just, I guess, specific for No Way Home where, and I guess maybe it's because I also know it's not MCU. So I think specifically knowing we've been so scared about what's happening with the MCU and I know it's not a direct tie-in to the MCU, but it is the same camp, I guess, that they're, that there, it feels like if this is the start of riding the ship to go from this to Deadpool, yeah. Everybody's going to feel a little bit better about where we're going. Sure, but that does bring us to the elephant in the room. And so, Bo was fired. Fire. Now, this guy wrote the majority of the first two seasons, or new seasons, rather.

And then he was just abruptly fired. We were kind of going over a text thread. And as I've been saying lately, something stinks in Denver. Denver. It's close instead of Denmark. No, I say Denver. I've been saying, this is an ongoing joke, what we've been saying with me and But something stinks in Denver.

Russell Wilson. Yeah. But either way. This isn't them saying, oh, well, we don't really like what you did. Clearly, all the reviews. I mean, this is something to happen. It's so interesting how little we know. We'll learn a lot more.

You can't keep this quiet. People are going to be, you already see Jeff Snyder sniffing around. Like someone's going to find out some. This report's going to come out. I mean, I don't buy the only fans thing. He's been on that, I thought, since, like, the show was in development. Yeah. I don't know when he signed up, but that seemed public.

That end, based off of everything I was seeing, because there were reports of what his only fans was. It wasn't anything explicit. It was just something that he was almost using similar to a Patreon, except he was using it to cover LGBTQ news, him being a queer man himself. Yeah. But there is, yes, the streets are hot. But what is this? What Koi says, though, it's like if you, when you, because I told someone go, and we talked about it the other day, I was like, they're not going to get rid of someone for the only fans. Oh, you don't know practice of standards.

They can get rid of someone right away. I'm like, but you don't think Disney's going to be before. When you hire someone, the first thing you do is you go, when I was, when we were hiring somebody, really, look at their Twitter. How bad is their Twitter? What are they done on Twitter? You look and it's like, well, he's got an only fan's like, yeah, but that's his own personal thing. Let's bring them on. That's what happened.

Something else happened. It's so I think that Disney wouldn't be stupid enough knowing all of the backlash that happened with the gun situation than having to rehire gun and everything else. I think that was a lesson learned. Right. Like if there is something that had happened before we hired you, they have actually done their work now to deep dive. So something has to have happened in present time for sure. And something bad enough that they're willing to have this press the week of their X-Men. That's what's crazy.

It's now. I mean, Marvel is going through all this like, hey, things aren't as bad as you think they are because it's a very vocal internet contingent. I don't know how much the regular world. Sure. Of the things, the high up and downs. But we're the same people that are going to be talking about this firing. Right. The same people that are having the conversation of like, what's going on with Marvel are now like what's going on?

So something must have been big enough to allow this to come out this week. Yeah, I don't know, man. I just think it's, it's this. You can't keep a lid on the story like this. So I think it'll rear its ugly head, potentially, depending on what it is. But it goes back to what you said. He was all over this thing. Like, he was all over this thing.

He seems to really understand the X-Men. That makes me nervous. Right. Because if I remember correctly, Cole, you might know better. I believe they've already said that this is getting two to three seasons. I think season two is written already. And then they're approved, but they haven't started. Exactly.

So like what concerns me in that regard is he what he wrote the pilot. I want to say he also wrote episode two, but I could be wrong. But again, he's the showrunner of the show. And the one thing that I know about a lot of shows, if the showrunner is that integral to the show, when you just drop them, a lot of times you lose the soul of it, and that can get really scary. So like community was never the same once Dan Harmon left. That's why they had to bring him back in. The Boondocks.

I love that show to the ends of the earth. Dexter's another one. The minute, like, what, Air Magruder left boom docks at the end of three? Four was trash. Dexter, when did the showrunner leave that one? Four after four. And that's about, came back for the final season. And that was the Julius Style season, wasn't it?

Because the Trinity Killer was season four. Yeah, so he didn't work on the Julius style season. Right. That's what he left. So, like, it's one of those situations where I am very concerned that if that's the case, we might get to great seasons and then it might go off. But to also be fair, there could be people that worked with him that understood it just as well that helped. Yeah, there's a lot of writers on it.

And I know two of them. They're fantastic writers that really love the source. It's just what do you do with the position of power? Like, do you hire another showrunner? Do you upgrade one of the writers? Do you like that becomes a question? Yeah. So I don't know.

What do you guys think? Let me know your thoughts about all of this. First of all, are you excited about the series? Do you think it's going to work? Are you excited about it? Comment, and obviously weigh in on the controversy also. Do you think that this will be something that they can move forward with past the showrunner? Comment, let me know.

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Ask your doctor about Skyrizzi, the number one dermatologist prescribed biologic in psoriasis. Visit Skyrizzi.com or call 1-866 Skyrizzi to learn more. All right, MCU rumor roundup. These are updates on Eternals to Henry Cavill's role and possible spoilers. So this is from Mark Cassidy, comic book movie. It's a big night for the MCU-related rumors with several different scoopers, some with better track records than others, sharing updates on various projects. I'm going to start with the reliable Daniel Rickman, who is claiming that the quality over quantity approach Marvel Studios adapted after the underperformance of Ant Man in the Wasquantomania and the Marvels has led to the planned eternal sequel being shelved for the time being.

The studio is set to be putting all focus on guaranteed hits, whatever that means, which means we more than likely won't see a fourth Ant Man or direct follow-up to the Marvel's. No surprise there. Now, on to Venom the Last Dance, and while the three-quel will indeed be the final solo outing for Tom Hardy's Eddie Brock, Richmond has heard that Feigey is open to having the lethal protector in the MCU proper for a potential face-off with Tom Holland's Spider-Man. As for the upcoming Blade reboot, Can We Get Some Toast is reporting that the movie is currently being retooled by writer Michael Green and will no longer be a period piece. Filming is expected to take place in the UK. My Time to Shine Hello, meanwhile, believes that Barbie and the Fall Guy Ryan Gosling has accepted a role in the MCU. If accurate, we're not sure what he'll be playing, but there is speculation.

It could be either Nova or Dr. Doom. The Fantastic Four script has been compared to Little Women. She didn't elaborate, but we assume it's because both movies follow characters over two time periods. Recent rumors have claimed that the former man of steel Henry Cavill has joined the MCU in an undisclosed role. And giant freaking robot believes they know. what character he'll play. This is going to be a potential spoiler, so if you don't want to hear what he might play,

move along. According to the site, Cavill will play a multiverse variant of Logan in Deadpool and Wolverine. We don't have much to go on there, but the Mission Impossible Fallout actor will reportedly be wearing a long brown coat when he shows up.

How much stock should we play in this? The site has definitely had a few scoops that have panned out in the past, but just as many that have been nonsense, so it's difficult to know. If Cavill did sign on with Marvel, We find it hard to believe that it would be for a one and done cameo, so perhaps our plans to bring the actor back in a different character down the line.

All right, so let's move on to the next story. I want to talk a little bit about some of the upcoming MCU rumors, one concerning Henry Cavill, one concerning fantastic. For a couple other ones, here we go. All right, so you guys, you hear all those rumors. You hear all that stuff. Coy, let's start with you, man. Everything I just read there, what stands out to you?

Baby Goose, man. I want Ryan Gosling in the MCU so bad. it's been talked about for like five years. I think he's one of the last like movie stars. He can do everything. And I think you want someone that is bankable,

that is versatile, that carries a movie that is a big enough above the line actor that you can have a character and an actor both be big enough that Marvel gets that, you know,

huge surge they need. I'd love to see him as a Cyclops. I'd love to see him in like a big commanding role. My buddy Yuri sees him as long shot, which I think it'd be hilarious. He'd be perfect. I just don't know

if that character would be, as big as long shots a guy that kind of, it's kind of like Black Cat, he plays with luck. So he's a character that his power is making long shots happen. I thought that's more of a dominole thing, Black Cat? I thought Black Cat's whole thing is more, but I see, I thought Black Cat's thing,

and maybe this is where the Spider-Man, the animated series is throwing me off, that she has like some, her own version of the Super Soldier's serum, and that's what. No, that's the, that's only the animated series. In the movie, I mean, in the comics, she basically, around her, bad luck happens everyone but her.

So it's like the inverse of it. So dominant. But I see, you know, like a long shot visually, dynamic and perfect, especially with his current hair. But I'd love to see him in like a Cyclops role. I think Gosling is, he's the right age for his kids to care enough that he might do it. Well, he's like what?

He's got to be close to 40 now. I think he's early 40s. Is he? Okay. So he could if you have Pedro Pescal who's 46, 47, he could play Dune. Yeah, but I don't, I don't like that casting. No. I really.

He has told Giammati Sure, but that's a whole different reason why I said that I just after What I've heard about the fall guy and I've heard that he crushes that What he did in Barbie and especially that performance of I'm just Ken and all that and He just gives off that particular vibe it doesn't mean that he couldn't play a villain 100% could There's just different villains that you could give him that charisma

Doom isn't charismatic in the way that Ryan God's like is. Doom is very about his business and very command. That's why we kept saying Cavill. There's that thing about Cavill that I think would be really good. And I hate the idea of Cavill is Logan because not that he couldn't give you that gruff thing that you're looking for, but

I agree with a lot of people that feel some type of way that like, look, if a super tall person is just going to be the person to be Logan, fine, but there is something specific about Wolverine being a shorthy and that Sabretooth is way above him and that's his main rival. I hate that Wolverine rumor. I hate that

I don't like that. I still, Edgerton, I still think that he would be, Taryn Edgerton would be better. Oh, totally. But Taryn Edgerton, well, this just seems like this is going to be like,

a one-off. A one-off. Don't waste him. That's what I'm saying. Unless that's all what Cabo wants to do. I can't imagine Cavill wants to sign on for another 10 years of dealing with fans. I don't think he has a problem with the fans,

dude as much. I think it's for him, he had a lot of support from the fans. Oh, no, the fans love them. I just mean, like, do you want your lifestyle to be only comic book movie? I know,

I think it's more so the fact that, like, he has been working for the studio system. That's one thing. I mean, like, the weight of it. I'm not saying he doesn't like the fans. He loves the fans, and he's a nerd. I'm not saying any of that. I'm saying, does he want to pivot from 15 years in one house to the next 10 years in another house? And the weight of stuck there.

I don't mean the fans, as in they're the problem. I mean, like, his life becomes that again. Right. What are you going to say? What you got? One, if you're going to pick him to be any sort of regenerating whatever, I can't believe I just missed what I You could make him Sabretooth, and I think that would actually be a pretty good castle. Yeah, that would be good.

And then the other thing that I thought about, if you really want to use Gosling, I actually think, again, tied to X-Men, you could make him Mr. Sinister, and he would crush that. He would absolutely crush Sinister. Yes, he would. The only problem with putting him in the X-Men right now is that when do you want to use him? Do you want to use Ryan Gosling to help sell the Fantastic Four? Do you want to use Ryan Gosseling before the Avengers? Or you want to say, no, no, we got him signed on.

But you're not going to see him until like 2027 in a Marvel movie. I think Gosling could absolutely do the Doom thing and be great. But Doom is, it's funny to laugh at Doom yelling in all caps. Like when you see Doom, it's funny in a non-charming way. And Gosling is so good at being charming. I think he would be a bit wasted and Fantastic Four. So I see, you know, while he's the hottest out he's been using him. But I think it'd be better to use him.

for a character that's better suited for him. And Marvel's good at casting long term. So I honestly, like, I love your sinister pick. Dude, I think you would be so... And they might do sinister for the first X-Men movie. Why not? Five times. Do something new.

Don't automatically jump back into the whole Magneto thing all over again. On top of the fact that, like, the more I think about Doom, if I was going to kind of blend him between like two movie characters that come to mind, it would be a mix of like Agent Smith and then like candy from Leonardo's candy from uh... Django. Thank you. It's the insanity

that Leo shows when he like had the blood on his hand and all that kind of stuff but then also the cold calculated nature of Smith and putting those he can be either one of those. I'm not saying that Ryan Gosling and Henry Cavill don't...

I think Henry would probably be a little closer to him. I'm not saying that Ryan doesn't have the chops to do it. It's just not necessarily what he oozes charisma. Yeah. Which is why sinister for me I feel like to be a great point. I like your saber to the pull, too. I want someone like giant and beastly, and Henry Cavill's huge.

Alan Rickman, I guess, if you're not going to do Cabell for him. Yeah, I think that that's one of the... Richson. Yeah, Rickman passed away. Rickman, I'm because of the news reporter. That's what... Right, right, right. I think that, I mean, look, there's a lot of stuff that they are saying, even though one of the

rumors in the beginning of it is that Marvel is looking to do just guaranteed hits. And I said, whatever that means, because you can't ever, like, do what a guarantee. It's such a dumb... Phase one was like, let's have a C-Lose. character, a D-list character. There's no guaranteeed hit. No matter what you mean. Like, Avatar 3, right?

Is not a guaranteed. It's real bad. It's not a guaranteed hit. It's going to be a massive success. But it's not, nothing's guaranteed. Nothing is guaranteed. It's true. The only reason, though, I understand why they're coming at it in that particular way.

I know we all go at that. Less risk. Less risk would have been the better way to go with it. But I think the other thing we have to remember is in how ridiculous dire straights like Marvel was when Iron Man happened and they went out on that plan, you move so differently than when you're like dirt poor to like I'm now I'm super rich to now I've lost my fortune. How do I build it back up?

You're a very different type of person than when I've never had anything. So I don't think you can go and try and replicate phase one. That's not something you can do. But you can see why that worked and see the clout that you have and come up with a new solution. And I guess it's one of those things we see a lot of times with. like musicians. That debut album is incredible. The sophomore slump kind of kicks in. And it's like, how do you recapture the artistry that brings you back to it? That's what I need to see out of Marvel right now. And I think that that's what they're trying to say is what is what is

special. Sure. I get what they were going for. It's just bad wording. Yeah, it's just for for Marvel to say, we're only going for guaranteed hits. I'm like, I mean, yeah, that's, that's what every studio goes for is guaranteed hits. But, but I understand their approach is right. it's like let's go for more recognizable stuff let's stop just putting out everything let's stop putting out they got into a place because they were hit after hit after hit well everyone uses guardians as the example

well nobody knew guardians and guardians is a massive hit you were rich then and it was a different phase and the trust was a lot different with the fans back then it is a thousand percent that same adage I was using with the musician would have at that point you've earned so much clout that it's like I'll listen to your experimental album wow it was actually pretty good. Right. Well, staying with that Cavill part of it, that Comic

Group movie actually did a little bit of a list of certain characters, and there's going to be some characters, I'm sure, in this list, I don't know what the hell it is, but that's why you guys are here to tell me if you agree or disagree. We've done this before with comic book movie, and here is the list. All right, comic book movie. This is

from Josh Wilde. Rumors that Henry Cavill might join the MCU have persisted for several years. However, it was last night that we learned at the form of Superman is supposedly being lined up to play a Wolverine variant in Deadpool Wolverine. But after he was fired by DC and James Gunn following him, I don't know if he was fired. This wasn't brought back. He's not fired.

Anyway, Cavill deserves another shot at being a superhero or a supervillan for that matter. Beyond playing Superman, Cavill has proven himself as an actor capable of playing all manner of characters on screen. So these are the suggestions for a comic movie. The first, whoever this is, this is, Beta Ray Bill? Beta Ray Bill. Okay, it looks like a guy with a horsehead. What is this created by Walt Siminson? He's a, is a Corbinite and a member of an alien race

whose planet was destroyed by a surter. I'm bored already. Chosen by his people to wield the most, the stormbreaker. He lives to Thor's hammer it. No. The most iconic characters in Thor. No, no, no, thanks.

Silver Surfer. Okay, no, I know that. I don't hate that. Silver Surfer is an example, and we know who Silver Surfer is. Now, for now, it appears at Lover Surfer won't join Galactus in the Fantastic Four reboot. Instead, the Devourer of Worlds will be joined by another Herald,

with the door left open for Norenrad to make an appearance. Okay. Next one. Beast. That's interesting. So they're not going to go... Just because his name is Henry. They're not going to go back with Kelsey Grammar.

So the rumor mill may have turned up some wild claims about Cabell playing Wolverine, but there's another member that we think he'd be a better fit for. Yes, we're talking about the one and only Dr. Henry Hank McCoy. This won't work if Marvel Studios decides to introduce the mutant team as teens But if they're already established as heroes after Avengers Secret Wars Then we think it'd be a perfect fit okay This is number two dr. Jim this is my pick this is the one that I will Dr. Doom is rumored to make his MCU debut post-credit scene

Presumably meaning the actor cast of the villain will only need to lend their voice to the character for the time being We'll eventually get to see what lies beneath the mask of course and have all going to toe to toe with Pedro Pascals, Mr. Fantastic, is exciting. Last one, number one, Captain Britain. This is the one that everybody has been talking about. So I don't know if enough about Captain Britain, but we know this is predictable, but damn it, we don't care. Cabell will be perfect, helping to ensure this superhero feels believable and every bit

is crucial to the MCU. Okay, so I like most of those. I mean, I agree that I don't know enough about Captain Britain, but even Henry Cabell himself said that would be kind of the one that is the most obvious. I'm obvious. Dr. Jume is the one that I would love. That's what I've been calling for for years now at this point I like the choice of the beast. I think I think that's an interesting choice and I think that Henry Cowell could absolutely I could see him holding a clipboard and and having that conversation like all dressed and blue I could absolutely see it I don't know who that first person first person is I don't think oh the beta rate bill He's like a Thor from another planet. He's someone like fighting for the same man. I doesn't care

No thing. He's like he has a horse face. I don't want a horse face. If we're going with those, I would say probably doom is my one and Beast would be my two. And that and then Britain three. Yeah. Same. Surfer four and Beta Able 5.

I think specifically the one thing I will give him for Beast, and that's maybe part of the reason why I was leaning so hard into Doom. The fact that we got up behind the scenes of Cavill after like I want to say Man to Steeler, Batman v. Superman, where ladies were losing their mind. He's like, oh, I like to build computers on my spare time. And then all of a sudden they were like, oh, my God. He was a massive fan of? Schnapp. Yeah.

He was a massive fan. You know that. Yeah, he loved Schnapp. Yeah. So, who didn't. Right. Yeah. But that's how plugged in he was, that he was like internet awareness.

He loved that. He'd actually, when Schnepp passed away, he did a post. I don't even know if they even really met each other too much, but he was just a fan of Schnapp. Wow. Yeah. I love Caval for that. Yeah. But I think to that point, he could both give you the, the bestial side of beast, but he can

tap into that nerd element clearly. And I think that that would be great. But that's also why I think he'd be so great for Doom. We saw him in Mission Impossible and how he can bring you that big bad as much as he needs to, and you're just giving him a different flavor of, you know, of that type of villain. So I'm, yeah. I don't know how well they'd do a Captain Britain. Like I feel like, I feel like.

No, it's, it's, it's, it, you want him to his bad guy. I just don't know if they'd do Excalibur. I don't know if they'd dive into, like if Guy Ritchie wanted to do Excalibur, I'd be interested. Like if someone that loves making the British texture and flavor had that punchiness. But if it was just like Captain American

but Britain, I'm like not as invested. But it's also the same conversation that we just had. One, is Captain Britain enough of the guaranteed hit, right? That's a funny part of it. The other thing is like, if so, if it is to just bring him on

to do a Captain Britain thing, when does that movie come out? Right. Right. Dr. Doom, you're going to see him soon, right? Silver Surfer, you'll probably see him soon. Beast, you'll see him soon enough. Those are the three out of those that are like, okay, that's more realistic as far as,

while you want to place him in there and get some star power in there and put a little bit more oomph to it, I still think Dr. Doom is the way to go. I think that he's imposing. I think that the fact that he, you know, like they said, you could use his voice for a little bit, and then when it comes down to when he, imagine that reveal in Secret Wars Wars, whatever, when he takes the mask off and it's Henry Cavill, the place goes crazy. And like the intensity in his eyes, I think you need someone that also has that gaze. And that's one of the reasons I do like the Killian Murphy Room, right?

There's a lot of reasons I don't because it's the stature and certain things. But like the intense gaze through the mask, I think is so essential. Like that, like, condescending. And I feel like Henry Cavill would be fun to see him play that. I think he'd enjoy it. And he's the language of Beast would be great. I really think that Cavill being such a, like, computer building, Warcraft, like, purveying nerd would be great to hear him get to, like,

show that side of himself that he only really shows in interviews. Because you see him in interviews, like someone's talking about nerdery. He perks up and he's attentive. And you don't get to see that in he's like Lethario romance cover rolls. So I'd like to see Beast. I think I think Doom's My One Beast is my two. I don't love the Silver Surfer just because I see him as a lot more stoic. And I've always seen more of like a Keanu Reeves like Wistful type.

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And I didn't know what to expect from this trailer. This trailer was bonkers. It was amazing. Yeah, this trailer was bonkers. The trailer is, I still agree, the imagery is not for me. because I like that he kind of mirrored like a traditional clown mime. Like there was something unnerving about it being innocent and changed, whereas this look is just aggressive.

So I don't know if that would be, you know, a problem for me? Like, you know what I mean? Like there's an innocent. I understand I was laughing because I could see you on your camera. And I was like, oh, yeah. Like, I mean, there is something about Sting when you were watching wrestling that you would go, oh, yeah. And then I was like, yeah, Sting.

Oh, that's not Sting. That's literally the crow. That's why I like that. You know what's funny about that, as Sting recently said, recently said, oh, I actually wasn't based off of the crow. It was based off of Kiss. And then there's actual footage of, and I love Sting, but there's actual footage of like Razor Ramon or Scott Hall saying that he,

Sting hadn't seen Crow, but Scott Hall had recommended. He was a big movie. That's where he said the crow to him, and that's where it came from. So it was like, come on. But yeah, that's like that's that that is the crow that is right there Quay, can you bring that? Yeah, yeah.

Just show that one. I love that. Yeah, it's really, I love that. You should see the original though, Winston before you see the new. You think? Yeah. Because I wonder in the same way that you with X-Men 97 that you. That's true.

It just gives a different eye line of like, what is the first one that you say? I mean, that's true. You could always see this one first. I can just put the controlled experiment. You could be our like, what do you consider the crow? Because if you see this as your foundation, you might have a different take altogether on what they do. And you could compare it after you see. You see this one first because what was interesting watching it with you, this trailer, was that you didn't really know too much about the story.

So going into it. We had different pops. We knew. Like when it was starting and we're like, oh, this never gets easy at the beginning of that. Yeah. And to this day, that scene with Shelley is one of the most painful. It's rough. It's like, it's hard to watch knowing.

It's kind of like you said knowing it's coming. It's still like that first movie is so good at making violence. unpleasant. I think a lot of times violence is fun. Like, John Wick is fun violence. Right. But the crow makes violence unpleasant until the crow is doing it. And I think that's one of the most interesting. And even then, it's rough, but it's not.

There's something really interesting about violence where, and I talk about this all the time, so apologies viewers, but like we've made sexuality and nudity and all those things, the perversion, and we've made violence the accepted entertainment. Like, we're entertained by violence and beheadings and punching and all these things. And like, sex is natural and violence is

And it's really interesting. The Crow is one of my favorite examples of violence used, I think, well because he's a character that is like the Punisher, but they frame violence so differently in that when violence is being done to the innocent, it feels awful. When things are being done to Eric and Shelley, it feels horrendous. But when he's getting revenge, the way Alex Pro A shoots it, the way that's written, all those things, you're suddenly like, this is vindictive vengeance. This violence feels deserved. And it's incredible because it's a flip of a switch. And I feel like a lot of times we make all violence celebrated, and I think that's dangerous. But I think a good movie shows where violence can be a negative and where vengeance is deserved.

And I think the crow is a great example. Well, especially, look, as I said, I'm not a big Rupert Sanders fan, but trailer's great. I'll tell you, this trailer was good, the way that they said it. And because I even like how they dove a little bit more into the lore. And they show, and I said it in our trailer reaction, and it looked like the Sandman at one point where it's like, okay, we're going to let you go back. And here's what you got to do. And here's what you can accept now that you're going back. And in the original, it's just like, you just back.

Yeah. And so a little bit more of that, depending on how they do it, you could now, on the same note, we could watch it and go, oh, why did they add that? I wish I didn't add that scene. Because in the original, it's interesting, him trying to figure out what happened and being disoriented. And there's that communication with the crow that isn't like they're talking, but there's a communication that is how he figures it out. Right.

Like there's a guidance. He's got the little girl, too, that he talks to. But the crow is kind of like a spirit guide. Right. If he's got a human in the underground, that's kind of like, hey, that negates. It depends. We'll see how they do it. It depends on how they do it.

So very interesting. I, but I'll tell you, I really enjoyed all three of us, really enjoyed the trailer more so than we thought. And that's one of those things. I love being surprised like that. I love being surprised to where you're like, I don't know about this one. I'm always happier to be pleasantly surprised than like, not like something. Right. I mean, I think the reason why a lot of us have a bad taste in our mouth for reboots is because people keep doing them poorly.

Right. So if you actually are going to do a reboot and you're going to do a reboot and you're going to do something that's so phenomenal that I'm like, this just expands my love for this. And when you change genre correctly, this doesn't look the same as the crow. It looks like a very different atmosphere. And I think that... It looks more John Wick.

It does. And Mr. Mrs. Smith is a remake of a Hitchcock movie. And then there's got a new remake on Amazon. And I think a lot of people forget the Angeline and Brad Pitt one is a Hitchcock film. So I think it's like when you think of that movie, now you think of the new one. It doesn't make the old one go away. But they didn't try to make another Hitchcock movie because that wasn't the goal of that movie.

Is that true? Yeah. I didn't know. That's a point, right? Like, Mr. Mrs. Smith, we think of an action movie because that's the one of our generation.

There's a classic Hitchcock film that precedes it by 40 years. So if you make something that is new and it's different enough, then you get two great movies instead of trying to make one thing again. 50 years. The comedy thriller.

Oh, makes sense. I mean, that's kind of what it is. It's your new tidbit of the day. Look at that. Okay. So thoughts on the trailer, guys? What did you think? All right, let's do the last

story, then Winston's got to get the hell out of here. Okay. So this is the last story. We covered this last week. We talked about the Zach Snyder interview on Joe Rogan, while DC writer Grant Morrison hits back at Justice League director Zach Snyder's comments about Batman killing. DC Comics writer Grant Morrison has shared his take on Zach Snyder's recent remarks about Batman's no kill rule, arguing that it's a fundamental part of what makes Bruce Bruce.

Last week, an interview with Zach Snyder was published, which saw the filmmaker justify his decision to have Ben Affix's Dark Knight Kill in Batman recent. Superman Donna Justice. It's a director who had also had Superman defeat General Zod by snapping his neck in Manate Steel. His deconstruction of his point of view of superheroes and added people are always like Batman can't kill so Batman can't kill his canon. And I'm like, okay, well, the first thing I want to do when you say that is I want to see what happens.

He'd later go on to say and they go, well, don't put him in a situation where he has to kill someone. And I'm like, well, that's just you're protecting your God in a weird way, right? You're making your God irrelevant. Snyder's take on Batman's no kill rule has split options and prolific comic book writer Grant Morrison has now shared a rebuttal. They're well versed in what makes the Cape Crusader tick, having spent years writing the Heroes DC comic series.

Morrison also introduced Damien Wayne Robert. I was reading how film director Zach Snyder thinks Batman should kill as part of the character's self-imposed mission to stop crime. If Batman killed his enemies, he'd be the Joker. And Commissioner Gordon would have to lock him up. That Batman puts himself in danger every night, but steadfastly refuses to murder is an essential element of the characters magnificent, horrendous childlike psychosis.

They explained that fundamental to Batman's grandeur as a fictional adventure hero, is this not obvious? Okay, so, Coy, this is pretty much everything that you just said last week. They tried to come for you too, bro. I saw it, because we put it, we put an IG version of it out, and they were like, did you not see 89? Did you not? Just because Batman's killed before and other mediums doesn't mean it's relevant

to make him do it again. Yeah, they're all else, like, they're all versions of a character. That's the beauty of an archetypal character. That doesn't mean it's the character. is when you make the character different to that level, it no longer is that character. Like, it's literally as simple as that becomes a new character. If he doesn't kill the Joker, there is no yin and yang. I mean, like, that's the point is he would never kill and Joker should be killed.

You're supposed to look at it morally and go, Batman has a view that I don't share. Let me understand him. His entire, Snyder's entire thing was, let me look at the morals. Let me dissect. Let me, and I like that Snyder does that. But in the case of Batman killing, it's not dissecting anything, it's being wrong. It's, you don't get to dissect if you don't question it.

If he goes, oh, he killed him, that's Punisher. He's got guns. That's not a character. It's the crow. Like the Batman's whole thing is that his parents were killed by guns. He won't kill. Batman using guns in general is insanely foolish to the character. And him killing is just him causing more hymns.

He doesn't want anyone to ever feel like what he felt like in that alleyway. He doesn't know these henchmen have children or not. If he's killing them, that takes away every bit of the fundamental of what Batman is. One of the most powerful storylines, I would say. And it started off really won't. Obviously, the death of Jason Todd and all that. And the voting in and barely one of the, et cetera, right? But I think one of the things, and I know what happened in some of the books,

but it was done super well in Under the Red Hood, the animated movie, of him having a conversation being like, you didn't kill this freak, specifically him. I get you don't kill, but he took me. If he had killed me, I would go to the ends of the earth to put him in the ground. And it makes sense why Jason slips into that darkness because he died, came back from the Lazarus. There's all sorts of stuff there, right? The fact that Bruce tells Dick, tells Jason, tells everybody, no, because then we're no better. If you were going to challenge it, if you were going to give me in those movies, that Bruce had a situation where he truly broke and that's who he is now.

and then Superman inspires him to fix his code. That's one thing. That's not what you did. You just said, screw it. He's just out here shooting people as blowing up flame throwers. Like, it doesn't, it just didn't, you didn't tell us anything. You just did it because you wanted to. And the psychosis of Batman is essential.

And I love what Morrison says, like his childlike psychosis. Batman isn't mentally well. Right. He doesn't use his money to solve problems. He uses his money to dress like a giant bat and beat up the mentally ill on the streets of Gotham. We need Batman to be someone to go like, hey, that's really cool. You're not good. Like, bro.

And there's no, why I love Michael Keaton's Batman, I don't, he's not my Batman. I love Michael Keaton's Batman. But when I look at Michael Keaton, the psychosis is there. And when like, you, they cut to him at the Oscars in one frame, I was like, that's Batman. I personally think that you need someone that you can, you're concerned about mentally. And that is why him having that line in the sand is so insane because we know fun fundamentally, Gotham would be safer if Joker was dead. We need to question his sanity.

Also, the use of Snyder's, he's like, you're gods. The point of Batman is immortal among gods. And I know it's a figure of speech, but him even considering Batman a god when there's an actual pantheon of gods is, to me, another fundamental misunderstanding of the character. Well, it's because also that whole situation of because he's with those gods and those gods actually revere him as a mortal. You can't, you have to separate

him out in some form or fashion. And including the fact that when you look at Soups and Wonder Woman, it's a whole different thing in the sense of like kind of them pulling back because of the insane strength that they have and all that. Whereas as a human, if you're that terrified when you're fighting

these type of villains, it's like, wow, you didn't. I would have killed them if I were in your shoes because my life is in danger. And yet somehow Bruce figures out a way to beat them to a pulp sometimes but like still a lot and that's also the fun question of like if someone's legs are broken arms are broken they're in a coma

is that better than just killing them and we want that question of like he's so psychotic he thinks that they're having a pulse means that's better than killing them like literally Batman's broken people's legs and like left but he's torturing them in that regard and that's way more psychotic than just taking someone out so I just I really

like Zach the man I really like the movies he built as an else world but I think that it's so detrimental that an entire generation think those the the characters. Like the Jacob Allardy from Saltburn said he didn't want to play Superman because it's too dark of a character. Superman for an entire generation is too dark of a character. That is so horrible.

So I just wish that Snyder fans understood that, yes, you love that character. And I appreciate you loving that character. But that's not the character. It's a version of the character that I personally think isn't the true one. Well, he doesn't have much to say him no matter. So what do you guys think about it? Do you think

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