The Kristian Harloff Show - Secret Invasion AI art causes massive controversy in the industry.

Episode Date: June 23, 2023

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What's up, everybody? Yeah, it's a weird angle, I know. Get over it. Okay, so we got some stuff going on today. It's capes and cows. It's a big thing. Secret Invasion, we'll get into our thoughts about the first episode, for sure. It'll be a couple of spoiler things.

If you haven't seen it, it's available. So you probably have to skip that section and watch it later. There's stuff with the AI that they use for the art. People are losing their minds about it. We'll talk about that, for sure. Annie Mushieri was talking about. Ezra Miller and I said there was never ever a discussion to recast

talk about that as well speaking of the flash it ate a pile of duty it really did and people are I didn't do that bad it did when you get into the nitty gritty of it all Swamp Thing director James Mangold he said it's going to be a stand-alone project

we'll kind of dive into what the hell that means and then there's a few other things here in there Batman there's some news of Batman we even really even talk about the delays last week. We'll talk about that as well. And Spiderverse crossed $500 million, million, million at the Global Box Office. So all that and more with myself, Winston, and Koi.

So you're saying, wait a minute, what are you doing here? Aren't you supposed to be in New York? Yeah, I'm going to be in New York tonight. And if you're in New York, you should be there too. But wait a minute, I don't live in New York. I don't live anywhere near. I'm in Australia. Well, get your kangaroo and sit down and watch

it on the live stream. I thought you were going to say, get the hoppin. Thank you. So make sure that you get that ticket, the live stream, the Christian Harlovaf.com. And head on over to the Christian Harlovak.com. And there's a lot of things going on over there. Over there. We have shoes and beef coming out July 1st, man. Excited for that. The Capes and Cowles comic book is headed there as well. And as I told you guys, a few different times. I'm working on the Katie Sackoff podcast.

Her tickets for Comic-Con are available now. There's not a lot of seats left as far as in-person goes. There are still some seats. You can go to blah, blah, blah, katie.com to get tickets. But we're also doing a live stream from the event that you can see. If you just want to watch the podcast itself, she's going to have very special guest. But something that's really, I don't know if I told you guys this, that she's going to do this thing that afterwards she's going to get into the car to go home,

from San Diego to Los Angeles, and she's going to have the live stream on. I read that. I thought that's genius. For the two hours. And she's going to have people, like, being able to join in and ask questions and do all that. So it'll be like a two-hour stream with her on the way back,

right after the podcast itself. So, again, blah, blah, blah. Katie.com. All right, let's get into it, guys. It is capes and cows. It's me and Winston and Coy. Let's do it. Like butter.

Welcome back, everybody. It's a big thing. Cates and Cows. I'm Francois Biscuits. And these guys. I really hope. And we're Roxy Stryor, bro. What you know about that?

I know, it's true. We together, Roxie would actually be one half white man, one half black man next one... I don't know. I don't know. I'm from Boston doing the work. It's good to be back.

Yeah, it's good to be back. Like you said, I've been... I've been on my own for the last, like, A couple days. Did I tell you guys? I've told this on the live stream, but maybe not on capes and cows,

so I'll tell it here. Did I tell you the, what's the name in Harry Potter? Inner Geekdom, guys, you won't know this. But was it, the Weeping Willow? Yeah, yeah, what about it? Womping Willow. All right.

So did I tell you my Womping Willow story? No, no. All right. So for people, you're probably going to hear this story in New York tonight as well. And I'm going to tell you guys, it's going to be a little longer. I don't care.

It's worth it. I promised. Okay. So last week, or two weeks ago, rather, his daughter's graduation party. Yeah, yeah. So we were having this graduation party here, and we were setting up, and we had everything, and Adam

Gertler grilled and did everything for us and all that. But we had to set up for it. But in the morning, we went to this park, and at this park, it was because my daughter's going into the sixth grade. So they're like, okay, and they have this whole thing, and everybody's setting up, and I had, and I took my

five-year-old, and I was, I took her to the park, to the other side of the park, and there's this whole collaboration of children, and And they have like, and the father brought like footballs and basketballs and jump ropes and all this, hula hoops and all this stuff. So I'm like, oh, this is amazing. So finally we got to get the hell out of here because it's going to the barbecue. So I come back and I'm walking over, I see there's a whole set of these trees, like big trees.

And there's some of them, pretty easy trees, but then there's just one. And it's the wamping willow. It's just full of just thick branches and everything. And these kids are like looking up like, oh, man, I'm like, what's going on guys? I'm looking at me, the hulu hoops up there. So there's a hulu hoop up there. And it's caught. And I go, all right, we've got to get this fool of hoop out.

So I start, I look at what can I throw? So I look around and there's one of these little footballs. Trying to knock it off the thing. And I hit it once in a right. So now it's like you might as well be at a fair trying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not going anywhere. So I'm there firing this thing.

I lose the football. It goes right into it. It eats it up. So I'm like, okay. So what's next? So look around. There's a soccer ball. Yeah, I guess that's on the soccer ball.

So eventually I'm throwing aside. Then it starts catching attention. And now the dad comes over who brought all this stuff. And he's like, hey, man, this is great. I see what you're trying to do here. This is amazing. But the thing is, that's my soccer ball. And so I threw it and then it got stuck in the tree.

And he goes, you got to get that out. So I was like, all right, I hit it. I'm up there 15 minutes hitting it. So I was trying to do this. My wife's like, we have to leave. We have to leave. And I go, but I didn't get it. And the guy goes, hey, is anyone seen that little football?

And I go, let's get out of here. So we leave. So fast forward two weeks later. Father's Day comes along, and my family's out of town. So my wife's like, what are you going to do today? I was like, hey, do you happen to have that address for the park? She's like, well, what's going on? You just want to take the dog to the park?

Oh, yeah, that's it. I want to go to the park. So I smoked a bowl, and I take the dog. I'm going to the dog's like, oh, I'm going for a walk. I'm like, kind of. So I walked and I go to And so now it's like 9.30 in the morning, whatever it is. And here it is.

I'm literally staring down the wamping will. I'm just staring it down going on how we do. So look up. Two weeks later, Hulu Hoop's still there. Football is still there. So I take this old shitty ball that Macy, my youngest has, didn't even know, doesn't even know exist. Dogs pissed on it a thousand different times.

So I'm like, I'm taking this. This is going to be the one that gets it down. firing it. And as I do this guy, this soccer teacher guy, and this guy couldn't look more like a soccer player. Long hair. Might as well just, I mean, basically a family guy uses an image of this guy to portray a soccer

guy. And he looks by, he goes, ah, tree of death. And walks by. So I'm like, I'm just firing the ball at the thing, just firing it. And then Macy's ball gets stuck there. So I'm like, all right. Dude. No, no, no. First, first, Actually, wait, actually wait. Before that, I got the football out.

Okay. I knocked the football up. Soccer ball still up there? The soccer hall, I got, I got out. I got that out last week, the two weeks prior. But it was right. So right now it's the football and the Hulu hoop and Macy's ball. But I got the football out.

So I'm like, okay. So what can I do here? Now I'm 10 minutes into this. I'm like, what do I do? I haven't spent enough time here. I got to figure this out. Can I, I could cut my losses, give this ball to this guy, and say, look what I did.

You know, I found your football when I went back by chance. So I started firing the football out of it, and it gets stuck. So now I'm like, what do I do? So now I'm like, all right, I'm not letting this tree to this fucking tree. Because the tree's looking at me like,

all right, buddy, get out. It's over. It's over. It ain't over. And I got mothers looking by like this. I got people walking by, looking at me just firing things at the tree. And so I start shaking the tree.

And I'm like trying to jar it loose and branches and shit start falling off. And I'm like, okay, one big piece falls off. And I go, do I feel bad about that? And I'm like, I'm looking around, it didn't cause any real damage to it. I'm like, no, plus, you know what? If you're not going to help me out

and give me my balls back, then your arm fell off, and now I'm going to throw your arms at you. And so I'm chucking his fucking arms at it, and throw it in there, and I jar the hula hoop loose. And I'm like, yeah, right. And then I get the football out. I'm like, all right.

I'm like, this is it. And then so, and then, Please tell me you through the Hulu Hoop at Bazes. No, no, the Hulu Hulu Hube did not fall. It just jarred loose. Okay, okay. And then all of the sticks got caught. Like, when I tell you, there was tons,

it looked like Arnold Schwarzenegger in command or holding all these trees and everything, but they were all gone because they all got stuck in the Wamping Willow. I'm going to show you a picture of this thing. I'm excited. You have a photo. I'm so excited. And so all of this stuff landed on the forest. So finally, I got the football out.

Throw it. It gets caught again. So now I have nothing. So I'm like, is it time to give up? Never. I look down, pine cones. Big thick pine cones. And I'm firing the pine cones.

And I start to jar at list. And I'm like, I got it. And then all the pine cones got lost. So I'm like, all right, football comes out again. And I'm like, cut your losses. This is Vegas at this point. It's 100% Vegas.

And I'm looking at my watch or my phone. I've been there an hour and 20 minutes. What is the dude doing? going nuts, running around, zipping back. That dog gets tired licking his feet, right? He's exhausted at this point. So I'm like, all right, I got to either cut my losses. I've got the football.

This is all I need to do. I've got the football. Give it to the guy, at least you cut with that. My arm is blown out. My hands are cut up. I have sap all over my hands. It's a disaster. Tree is one.

The tree has one. But I'm like, I look and I go, cut your losses, dude. If you can't. Go back to that tree right now. What you will find in that tree. Are 75 pine cones, all of the branches that fell off, looking like it's just a weird extension of it,

my daughter's little shitball and a football. They're all there. Whether I go back. And a Hulu. So we'll see if I go back to do it. But that's a... I'm going to tell that story on...

That's all I'm going to... That's going to be my whole set. That's my whole set in New York tonight. So if you just... So if you just watch that tonight, you're going to New York. Say some time. Hit them with the hose. I know.

Oh, when I say hose, I mean H-O-S-E with water. Not E-S. Don't throw hose. I'll get them, daddy. I'll get them, daddy. I'll get them, daddy. What's my favorite word? Bitch!

I really, I did think about, I was like, I thought about calling you guys. And I was like, shit, Winston's had a commission for a little bit. So I was like, but I was like, I want to, like, live stream it. I was trying to actually do it. I actually, I mean, I'd have to see the tree, but like all this dodgeball, baby, I would have nailed that. That's true. He's got different aim skills. And I'll climb that thing.

So, anyway, so that's just the story I was going to tell you guys. Don't climb it. All right. Listen, let's get into some. That's how you. Hold on. This is what happens. There's an age threshold.

Oh, is that why you're saying Roxy Stryor? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just because you put it. Got it. I love you thought we were just saying. I didn't know why you were saying it.

I made no sense to me. Now it makes a whole sense. You know, suddenly I think you and I combined to Roxie's trier for no reason whatsoever. Oh yes, that makes sense. 100%. All right, let's see. Let's get to our first story here.

You know, before we do that, I'm going to show, I want to show you guys there and the guys, the pictures of the the tree. All right. Now, this is the tree. That's what you first got there.

Oh, it's dense. Oh, that's why. Yeah. How it was caught. No, it's a dense tree. I was wondering how it was caught, but that makes sense. It's that way.

pictured it. You should have never gotten involved. See, I thought it was like that. Yeah, if it's like that, then I'm like, oh, you can get that down. But if the way you had it situation, oh, man. Is that the shitball? That's the shitball. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, so anyway, it's, it's, it won, but it's the, but the war isn't over. No, no, I believe in you. I mean, I, I think because I've told the story, we've got to all go. No, it's personal. We all have to go. Which angle were you, were you undergoing out or were you throwing into it? Out going to, I was, you had to take it from this angle.

here firing it this way. To shoot it out that way. Yeah. Yeah, okay. That's okay. Because under's too dense. Under under under it looks like a dense. You can't you can't you can do nothing. Is it? I got nervous thinking about you trying it. Okay. I really did think that you would, I thought that you would try. Yeah. You would hurt yourself. Probably. It's it's it's no, this thing is no joke. Okay. This is a reason why that it was still there. Yeah. Because the Zaga walked by. So the kids didn't put it up there. They just saw it up there. I don't know. I mean, I think

they got it up there somehow. I don't know. It could have been there for 50 years. That was his earring. The tree got its ear pierced a long time ago. Be like, who the fuck? That's a great call. That pool of hoop could be...

That Hulube was there when that thing was a stump, and it grew with it. Could have been there 80s. Got it to ears pierced right under birth. The whole episode's going to be about the freaking Huluwhip. All right, let's go. No, that's it. All right, let's go to the first piece. All right, let's talk about this secret imagination AI thing.

Method Studios defends its AI opening credits and says, it costs no artist jobs. Following a vocal backlash aimed at Secret Invasion's AI-generated opening credits, the VFX studio responsible for them has made it clear that the way it was created didn't come out of the cost of real artist. Yesterday, we learned that Secret Invasion's

haunting opening credits were created by AI. There was some backlash, though most of it seemed to come in articles reporting the news rather than directly from fans. Exactly. It's strange as critics who saw the first two episodes over a week early had to say about the animated series sequence and reviews. There is, however,

an awful lot of negativity surrounding AI at the moment, particularly when it comes to detect potentially taking people's jobs. Method Studios, a team that's worked on multiple MCU projects, has now issued a statement to the Hollywood Reporter. And here's what they say. Working on Secret Invasion, a captivating show, exploring the infiltration of aliens into human society, provide an exceptional opportunity to delve into the intriguing realm of AI, especially for creating unique character attributes and moments.

Utilizing a custom AI tool for this particular element perfectly aligned with the project's overall theme and the desired aesthetic. The production process was highly collaborative and interriff with a dedicated focus on this specific application of an AI tool set. It involves a tremendous effort by talented art directors, animators, artists, developers who employed conventional techniques to craft all the other aspects of the project. However, it is crucial to emphasize, while the AI component provided optimal results, AI is just one tool among the array of tool sets are artists used.

No artist jobs were replaced by incorporating these new tools. Okay, so there's a lot more that's been said. You can read the article over at... I'm a reporter? No, I guess so, or comic book movie. I don't know where you guys are on this, but I have... Here's my thought, and I could obviously be convinced otherwise down the road, but my thing is this, the way is, I am accepting more and more

that we have, as human beings, have been able to tell the future within our... mediums for the long, long time. And I always bring up this example. I remember being a kid. It was in the fourth grade. And they brought up this short story about this family. So I'm going to order groceries. And he goes to this computer screen.

He puts the thing and they ordered it to his door. And I was like, that's never going to happen. Just ordered bubbly to my house. Right, right, right. Like that kind of stuff, the crazy stuff. But Amazon. You know, like all that. Minority reports are on the corner.

Right. We're getting there. So AI to me, like we're all going to be dead by the time the machines take over. Like, the three of us will be gone. Now, our children and, like, my children, my grandchildren, they're going to be in trouble. Yeah. I think so.

I really do. I think AI is a massive mistake in the long run. I'm not going to tell you that I don't like some of the programs I got coming out. Because the thing is this, as far as the technology goes, machines have been taking people's jobs for years. Long time. Different types of AI. I mean, not the AI, but different times from machines. But machines have been taking jobs and cutting back on human error,

cutting back on being able to do things, picking up from the simple thing from a crane. People back in the day, there'd get a lot of humans that would grab the things and bring it up to the thing. Don't take those 15 guys, take that one machine, pick it up and put it on the thing. It's been the thing. And that's what AI is. And because any time jobs are taken, rightfully so, people go, hey, don't take my jobs. But this is they're saying that they're not necessarily taking jobs. They're just using the tool.

But eventually, you know, like look at voiceover stuff. It will take jobs. There's no doubt about it. But I don't know. I'm just more so like, let's just to get taken over. Who cares? Yeah. Well, okay.

There's, there's, I guess two things about it specifically. The first is just what you're saying about it. Considering that this many CEOs have been like, no, we have to stop. This is not just a job thing. this is like human extinction level potential problems. Like that in and of itself should have been enough to put a kibosh on this. But obviously we're humans. We're stupid.

We're not, we're going to ignore all the warnings because that's what we always do. But then the second thing, I think specifically why it is particularly insidious, shitty with like art. Yeah. Because you're right. Machines have been taking jobs.

But most of those machines are making it so that while the jobs, may have to evolve. Like now you don't need 20 dudes to lift a giant log. You only need the one dude in the bulldozer, so I get it. Yeah. It was very dangerous for 20 people to lift that log, whereas the one dude was one example. There was one example.

There's many examples that have done that. But I'm just addressing what you're saying. And the people that would make the argument, well, machines always take jobs. I get that. So I'm saying the difference there is to specifically take art and art. I'm not saying it's right, by the way. I'm just saying that happens. No, no, no.

I know. I get that. But specifically with art, when art is supposed to be one of the biggest expressions of human society, of like where we are, of like the creativity, of like an imprint of that, to let that be taken away feels like you are actually taking away the soul. I agree with you. I understand the argument. Yeah, yeah. Because it's like the thing is what's crazy is that some people didn't even know about the AI was used in it, right? I had no idea.

Nobody had any idea. So that's the scary problem. part about it. Because the idea is like you said, the argument is and should be, well, you're not going to get the same kind of emotion and feel from a machine and a program than you are a human, but then you see that. And if I didn't tell you that it was a machine, you go, well, I will say this, there was something that was off about it. I just didn't connect the dots because I don't pay enough attention to AI like that. But I remember when everybody was putting their face on and having the fake AI photos of them. And there's a TikTok turn right now. We're

like you put something in front of your face and the songs like, ah, the buddy, bad a bit. And then like, it makes an AI print of you. And I'm like, so you guys are, you just got done saying we should stop giving our likeness away and now you're doing it again. It's scary. Good, Corey. So my take, uh, I'm with Winston on the generative AI. I think that AI should be used to help like accounting and farming and, and science and hospitals. Like there,

there are so many uses that can benefit society in the way you're describing. Like, there are ways of making the world more efficient, which is what machines are. A tool is to make us more successful, more efficient. I think when you start to do generative AI, that's different. I think when you start to give AI the ability to usurp creativity, usurp our will to create on its own, to cause art, then that's lacking. And that's my super hippie self thinks that we should use AI to get to the point where all the jobs that people don't want to do, we as a society don't have to do. And then you implement something crazy like universal basic income or let people have a three day work week. Like you allow AI to allow society to improve.

I don't see art being taken over by AI improving society at all. No, I thought the opening credits were literally an artist and or artists, hopefully, that had a panel run over it of AI, which is what they're claiming. That's what it seems. That's what, and that's what they're saying, but they're saying it because of backlash. So, of course, the studio is going to be like, studio that did wrong things said thing wasn't wrong to do. So to me, it's a lot of like reactionary, like, no, no, we didn't do that exact thing. But to give the benefit of data as well, they could be legitimately saying, look, all the artists worked on it, they just used this tool. It's like every time I turn on YouTube, there's that one particular woman who's talking about the AI tools, and she's walking through and she's doing this.

She's like all, and there's all people sitting at a thing using the tools. One of the names and the eight names is a fake name. There's eight people credited for making those credits. One of them doesn't exist. It's Sorrel's Kagan, which is a Carl Sagan joke. They literally made up a person to give them a credit. It's lying. Yeah, well, that's another story.

I mean, look, it is terrifying. There's no doubt about it. So when you say you agree with Winston, you're agreeing with me, too. No, no, no. I'm saying you're a point about technology. Right. Well, I'm saying as far as the tech goes, I understand that we have to. But here's the other problem.

Or not a problem, but what we have to also understand. I'm older than you guys. You're older than my daughters, right? When my daughters are getting, you're going to look like the old man. It's a grouchy old man. They don't understand. Like, AI, like my dad, I don't know how to use the deal. VR, you know, it's like, and so not that you don't want to use it, but it's like, to them,

it's going to just be part of their lives. Yeah, AI is going to drive cars. AI is going to do all these crazy things, but the scary, it's terrifying. I did it. So I have a program that I use for editing, not for AI, but like, just editing, my videos and stuff. But at the end, when you're uploading, it says you can, it gives you an opportunity to do an AI description or something if you want to do that.

So I just wanted to goof around, and I said, all right, and I put my wife's name and my name in there and I said I had a write me a long description about myself and married my wife and I have two kids and I gave me just to see what they said they said this whole I said write a right a seven page paragraph and inside of it it said um and Vivian his oldest daughter at 11 also has found the the arts and wants to be an actress which is 100% true I didn't put that in there yeah and said this this and the little one is still trying to find but has a big personality but doesn't like to talk to people much. I'm like, how the fuck did that? Listen to all your YouTube videos that listen to every one of your stories?

Because you talked about this. And they said that Vivian had been on videos before, which I was like, oh, a couple. It's ultra. It's just gathering all the data in the world. And it found it all that information in two minutes. It's just, it's what, less. It's, it's funny because I do want to bring it back to secret invasion and where I think a lot of the animosity and understandably so is coming from. A, it is still. A, it is still, wild to me that we have always been our own worst enemy. Honestly, we, as humans, we have always been our own worst enemy and that's essentially what's going on with the creation of AI here because enough people have warned that this is moving too quickly because technology has moved

exceptionally fast in our lifetime. And it's exponential with AI. That's the issue is it won't be containable once you open the box. We were already dealing with exponential technology. But now it's literally where you were squaring and then cubing something. AI now is doing it, you know, a hundred and eight times by itself, you know, 360 times by itself. Like, it's, it's even more exponential than what we've been dealing with. So that's part of it. But as far as why people were upset with the show, and understandably so, I think it is, it is so tied to the fact that with us being in the middle of a writer's strike and about to be in the middle of an actor's strike, that one of the main arguing point is AI. Yeah. Right. For a studio to then be

using it in that regard and to know that they're using it. There's a weird ultra slap in the face of like we already told you we don't care and we're going to use the AI anyway. A studio founded on artists a studio historically not paying their artists well enough. Yeah. So when you throw that in now we talked about the fact that I think

that people should be outraged about it but that shouldn't be the reason you shouldn't watch it because I guarantee you the people that spent that time making the show while arguing we need to deal with AI one way or the other are going to be really upset if this was that big moment for their careers to push and the show tanks

because people are just like, I won't do it. That's what's driving me insane is like, we opened with this because it's the number one point of conversation, but I haven't been able to have a single conversation about the show yet, because every time I want to talk about the show,

it comes up this. And that sucks for Marvel, because the show's great, I think. It is, I like the show as well. So let's transition to that. So the show, I do like it. I heard what you said, I think it was like Andor.

I don't think the writing is as good as Andor, but I think it has that kind of tie. I do, it has no buzz whatsoever the show. That's what's driving. me crazy. This has no buzz whatsoever. And I think that it's, um, it's, yeah, I like, I like how it takes swings. You know what I, what I realized as I was watching it. And I don't know what this says right now for me, maybe it's just, I'm just exhausted by mediocrity or whatever too, but like I was so, the reason I really like the show, I was like, oh, this doesn't really feel like Marvel. Yeah, yeah. I like

was so happy to have a two-person dialogue show. Yeah. It's two people talking and they're like wits and not had that stupid, like, comedy. Like, there's his humor in it. But, but, you know, like, the way that him, Rody and him are talking, like, how's, that's coming in the second episode. But it does, but either way, y'all are going to be just completely enthralled

by the second episode with a conversation that happens with Rody. Yeah, that's in the trailer anyways. And Fury, right. It is, it is a great conversation that covers everything from politics, black men in politics, like, dealing with aliens,

all that kind of stuff. And it's not shiny. No, it's not shiny. It's not over bright. It's raw. So the guy who, the main villain, the British dude, Oh, he's so good. He's great.

He's great. Well, he was, what was he? He's been in a lot of stuff. Kingsley Ben Adore. Yeah, but he was in something that I looked this up because I wanted to remember who he was. And he was in something that I saw. I can't remember what it was. But he's really good.

And then Amelia Clark is kind of in the background right now. I'm hoping she is. I feel it growing. I feel it growing. But I like the relationship. And Olivia Coleman. Olivia Coleman is crushing. Yeah, Olivia Coleman is great.

She is so good. The funny thing is I always have like a weird, like antagonistic feeling towards Olivia Coleman typically because I thought. Yeah. Well, well, specifically because I saw the favorite and I thought she was really, really good in it. But I hated that movie. Like I was on board for like the first like 90 minutes. And then I was like, oh, this is just pure hubris now. Now this is movie is cutting, get cutting close to three hours.

We could have wrapped this up by now. So I always unintentionally just am like very, when I see her, but she's phenomenal. She's doing so good. I have the same thing where her roles are always so hateable. I did the junket and I interviewed the director and she happened to be walking by during the junket. So it's just like, hey, you're incredible in this. I really appreciate it.

And she was, oh, darling, and gave me a hug. And I was like, oh, I hate you. Oh, I love you. Like, it was such a weird feeling of like, I've only seen her through the lens of like, I'm mad at you. So for her to be lovely, I was like, wait, the enemy. And she's like such a warm presence in person. So it's now even more impressive.

Well, you can tell that even from those performance, Because it's so saccharin. Yeah, it's a good show. And then there is a very shocking moment that happens in the end of episode one. We'll just say that. I actually don't want to spoil too much if you didn't see it. But there's a pretty shocking moment. I think it's also justified.

I liked it. A lot of people online are upset about it and using certain comic terms that are they're overused. But to me, this show... Were they really using that term? Which it isn't at all. And I just, I think I'm with Christian this week where I think I've... Humans have broken me a little bit this week. I'm going to come back.

But for now, I just hate people a lot. But I think this show is the thing I've been wanting Marvel TV to be the entire time. If this sticks to the landing, it's Loki, it's Wanda Vision. And it might, like, if it sticks to the landing, might be better than Wanda Vision for me. It's 26 episodes, which is also promising. So nice. So nice. Yeah, I mean, that which is nice, definitely.

Did you see that what got teased on social media? Because I know we didn't talk about it in this news report that Chloe Bennett put out an Instagram post of two photos of a Daisy hanging out in her pant leg and then she turned around and pulled her shirt off and just showed her back. What's that mean? As in her character's name for Quake was Daisy. So the idea that Daisy's back. Oh, okay. So like,

so that... And that would fit inside Secret Invasion? Technically, because she posted it right around when the show aired for the first time. So there's this, there's... People are now buzzing that she might be showing up. Okay, so that's intentional. If you go on Disney Plus, right now the recommended viewing is Agents of Shield for this show. Nobody's talking about it. If you go to the

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And that's it. So let's go, let's talk about something else. All right. We're going to get into some flash stuff. So let's start with this. The Flash producer laughs off suggestion that they even considered recasting Ezra Miller. The Flash producer Barbara Muscietti laughed off rumors that the team working on the movie ever considered recasting Ezra Miller but acknowledges that they at least kept an eye on the situation. Well, thank goodness.

With the controversy surrounding Ezra Miller continuing to worsen, there was once talk of Warner Brothers pulling the plug on the Flash. The movie being vastly more expensive than Batgirl, for example, made the idea highly unlikely, but we did hear some chatter about Miller potentially being replaced. That would have been easy, of course, and with the actor playing dual roles, pretty much the entire movie would need to be reshot. During a recent interview with movie maker,

the Flash producer, Barbara Mushietti, was asked about how she and brother director Andy handled what was happening with Miller, including the allegations of assault and grooming, and whether they felt the movie was ever at risk of falling apart. She said, You know, as filmmakers, you have to put your head down and just do your work. Of course, we take that stuff very seriously, but we're focused on the movie.

As if they could ever consider replacing Miller, the producer added, no. It would have been absolutely impossible. When we started reading it in the news that Ezra would be replaced, we laughed because we didn't know where it came from. Moushietti concluded by saying, that rumor definitely did not come from us or the studio. Okay, I think that the headline is a little off. laughed it off like not serious at all you know it's uh

in a certain aspect sure that's what she said but she said look we're in the middle of shooting this thing we had everything in no world could we have replaced even we didn't say this but even if we wanted to we couldn't have there was nothing so we didn't know where that rumor came from it was like no there was no

because the article makes it seem like huh we would have never replaced Ezra Miller that's not what she said the implication of the laugh is very different than the actual including the laugh that man I hate that I really hate that articles have become that clickbait that like it would because that's exactly what the way was what I thought too. Yeah I thought I laughed it off like no like no chance. I mean look they they have made it clear that they're they're pretty they're pretty tight with Ezra Miller and and they and they look they spent a lot of time. Yeah they probably know they know Ezra Miller way differently than any of us will they have different and also as real also probably didn't.

show them sides of themselves that clearly they've shown to other people. So, but the comment itself is like, we're so far into this thing. What are we going to do? Having seen the movie, and that was the point when all this started to drop, the movie was like done. Like you still had to do reshoots because of how the DCEU was imploding, but it wasn't, you would essentially have had to reshoot me in time. entire movie. Yeah. You would because

because he ends up with, I mean, spoiler alert, I guess it's been out two weeks now, or it will be in a minute. But he goes back in time and is hanging out with his younger self. Yeah, there are two, sometimes three. And the business side of this thing, because you look at it, and I know what people

are going to counter on this, but so I'll cover both. The first part is, if you recast that movie and you reshoot, the movie is now a $350 million movie, maybe. As far as costing and that's not including marketing because right now it's that's how much it costs.

I'm just talking about shoots themselves with reshoots and everything probably around 350. The movie has barely, it's barely going to make 400. Then I'll counter to that. It's going to be like, well, if you didn't have as your mill, you probably would have made more. Even if you made another 30 million, which is probably, the interest

was not there for this film. Especially when you throw in the extra added bonuses of, you had two major DC bombs previously, which, which, shook people's faith in it. You know that at least the people that are in it like we are know that the reboot is coming. So there's a number of people that because of that and because they don't trust D.C.

And because they feel some way about Ezra and understandably so, they were just like, that's a pass. I don't need to see. So like there's just not enough juice to the squeeze with that. And if you, you're right. If you had done it, they're already in a bad hole. It would have been worse. Yep.

I also, I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I also feel like the Ezra Miller situation isn't why people aren't seeing it. Even now. It's a small, I think it's a small portion. Oh, yeah, I'm just talking. I'm with you. I agree with you.

Everyone I've talked to that has avoided seeing it, I think two people I've heard are like, because of Ezra. It's because they heard word of mouth wasn't good. They heard this wasn't good. I haven't heard much conversation. There's no chance that my friend's going to pick up, but I'm going to call him. He's just an average fan in New York. I try to call him all the time. and he never picks up.

So I'm going to try. Before you could send, the other thing that's really, and maybe this is what your friend would say on top of that, I didn't realize this because in my mind, the Flash is an A-Less superhero. Yeah. But honestly, there's a large contingent of the general population that are like, who the hell is the Flash?

And I didn't know that that was the thing. But I had so many people be like, what is that? He runs fat. He's four right after Batman's your Ben, Wonder Woman to me. And that's the whole thing, that those are, they really are that and Spider-Man are really the only four that people know and the only reason you know Thor Captain American Iron Man

at this point is because of how that evolves but people didn't know them either Yeah I'm gonna see I'm gonna try this now I'm gonna see if he picks up And if he doesn't pick up I'm gonna try my other friend Picks up I'm trying my other friend

He's like go ahead once I was gonna say Well you're checking for the other friend Because like I know we keep going back to sports stuff What I didn't realize about the flash In my mind I'm thinking Yo the Flash is out here That's Charles Barkley baby That's that's you know

that's Alan Iverson. But for people, it's like, nah, that's like Bradley Beale, where he's an all-star, but if you're not into basketball, you may have no idea who that is. I think he's a little bit more well-known than that because of the...

Yeah, their movies. And the TV show. The TV show's huge. I think he's more known than you think he is. But I just don't think he's as popular. Well, I guess that was the thing. He, I thought he was more well-known than he is.

And I do think the TV show helps for sure. But I'm saying everyone knows who Batman is. Everyone knows who Spider-Man is. I don't think we realize in my mind, the Flash is an A-list character. I still think he's... I think he is an A-list character. I just think he's not as popular as those guys.

I'll put it to you this way. I'm going to try this way as you do that. Go ahead. The Flash, along with... Just wait. Yelling over to dial tone. I don't even know he's going to pick up. See.

I'm just so curious about a regular person. person's point of view. Yeah, I can't not know what I know. Yeah. Work or something? People with jobs on Thursdays. I call my mom. I'm trying to think.

But how much if you talk to your mom about it? You know what I mean? That's also the thing like, if I call my mom. She's in LA. I'm trying to get some people outside of the L.A. I call my dad. He definitely would have no idea. My mom has said it's been about...

Someone in our age range. You know what I'm trying to do. Yeah. My mom runs in a movie theater and she said it's been about 50-50 split on fan reaction. and that's been really interesting. I know who I'm going to call. I'm going to call my buddy. And he's also, he's in upstate New York.

And I want to see if he can, let's see if he definitely knows through the flashes. The question is if you saw it. Okay. And I'm going to tell him, I'm going to see if he picks up. He might pick up because he's a wrestling coach, so he might not be. Hello, you reached Scott.

The chaos of this episode. Yeah. I don't care anymore. All I'm saying is I'm not saying that the Flash isn't a superstar. I truly believe that. that he's one of my favorite characters and all that kind of stuff, I think I didn't realize that as far as superheroes go,

unless it just happened to go off like that, and you're right, if it had been that movie that was undeniably, there was no drama and all that, you might have seen more draw like that. Because people had no idea, for example, who, like, Tachala was, as far as Black Panther,

if you're talking to the greater scheme of things. But by Friday, everybody was like, you have to see this movie. You have to see it. And because of the cultural phenomenon that it had, etc. Same thing with, like, Spider-Ver. People were like,

I'm not going to see an animated movie. who's a Miles Morales, whatever, whatever, but the name Spider-Man is tied to it, and because of how good it is, there was enough the CGI's wonky here, there's drama outside of the production. Yeah, but that was the other side of it to kind of counter the argument, too, is that that's why they marketed so heavy with Batman, and people

still didn't care about, like, Michael Keaton, because it didn't seem like a Michael Keaton movie. I can't believe it underperformed Black Adam. That was my shocking. That's wild. The fact that the last... The last six movies at a D.C. did less well than the Rock's movie. the fact that like overall like international

the rock had the best of the last six. I have a question. Do then the community that tried to come for the rock because of all that stuff do they now owe him an apology? No, really is not successful. I understand that, but this idea of like putting it on him

because he was trying to do too much. I think the rock had an idea that was in the right direction. I just think that people want to be mad at some way. It's always a finger pointing point. Remember those movies were pretty much right. The Flash, we saw a trailer for Flash in 2020. Yeah.

So those movies. He got cast to. same year as Grant Guston. Nine years of the flash. Right. So those movies, those movies were already, like, so the Rock was still in, was, when his movies were being made, these, those other movies and Shazam 2. So no one can really say, well, the Rock was right, because the new regime still hasn't

started. Now, if the new regime starts, if Superman, even Blue Beetle doesn't count, if Superman comes out and eats it and Black, Black Adam does better than Superman, then there's a conversation of, well, people care more. more about the rock stuff than they even cared about this new Superman, man. Yeah. And I don't think that's the case. I just think that the rock was going in a direction that more people wanted than he,

then he got credit for. I still don't think it was the right direction. I still don't think it was handled well. I just want to give rock credit for he was listening to a certain group of fans. He was vocal about it. It did have the rock bump to a point, but obviously it still wasn't enough. It still was the wrong direction. It was still too big of a swing.

It was still all those things. I just think we need to look at what there isn't super hair fatigue. there's mediocre fatigue. And like you had just said, I think we just need to make sure the movies are of quality because it's not novel to have superhero movies anymore.

It's not a thing to be like, oh my God, I have to see the new superhero movie. If we want these to be the culture, which they've become, then they need to be held to the exact same standard as a movie, which means they need to be great. That's what phase one through three

and Marvel did so well. And Sparmercing Guardians. Those are great movies. I like the Joker. I like the Joker a lot too. The Batman. The Batman. Right.

So when those movies come out, it's just like I don't get excited anymore going to see these movies. I'm expecting them to be boring. I'm expecting them to be mediocre. And I'm like, and not Spider-Man, not Guardians, because of that example. No, no, no. I get, I'm, dude, I'm Charlie Brown in the football. Like, I was

every time, and every time when I get disappointed, I'm just, it's kind of soul-crushing. Because I also, like, come on, I'm like, man, okay, I got my romp. And then once I sit on it for a little bit, I'm just like... Yeah, that's where I'm like, Thor, yeah. Then I left Thor and

like a week later, I was like, oh, what do I? Well, but look at secret invasion, right? Secret invasion to me, we're all on a different page here with Secret invasion, but Secret Invasion to me, I think is one of the better quality shows that they've done, writing's good, the acting is really good. I like the tone. There's some really violent swings that I think works for it.

And I like that it's a little bit more adult. But I didn't, everybody was rushing out the second it came out, everybody was treating it as if it was no way home in our space, in our space, meaning that they were doing instant reactions to it, And I just watched it and look, it's like, and I'm watching YouTube going, this isn't going to do the kind of views you think is going to do. Sure.

Because there's no buzz on this show. Yeah. And people, because we're Greg White, someone was like, how come you didn't put your thing out yet? I go, because I'm going to wait until the day it comes out on Disney Plus, because that's the only time people are going to be searching for this thing. I've got a secret invasion video that I want to do, like my comic recommendations. And I was going to post it early so people could read them before.

And I was like, nobody's talking about it yet. And then with the AI thing that happened the day it dropped, I was like, I don't want to put this out right now. Because no one will be talking about the thing. So I'm like either going to put it out randomly this weekend or episode two because I need that push. Otherwise there's no point. And I haven't felt that with the Marvel show in a long time where there's just not an oomph. No, it's true.

But I think the mediocrity thing isn't this show's problem. I think that. No, it is not. Because this show I think is exceptional. I really think that it's an issue of the timing of the strike, the AI choice, the buzz and the other things. The mediocrity that came before it. Yes. Because that, I think, also burdened flash.

Yes. I think all of that did for sure. It had a perfect storm. But it's like, and so when you look at across the Spider-Rush, you're like, well, why did that movie do well? Because the first one was really good. Why did Guardians 3 do well? Because it's coming off of a phase one, two, and three, and two other successful movies, and people want to see how it ends. But that's exactly why I make the argument that Thor did well.

Because even though, even though, critically, money-wise it did, yes. Money-wise, it did well because you're coming off of Ragnarok. You're coming off of what Hemsworth has done all these years. So you just went in with that energy. Agreed. Agreed. The only thing, though, with that, money. Anyways, you're 100% right.

But it also added to the next few movies that came out. Right, right, right. Because people started to, like, when you guys, I don't know how you feel about it now, but when you and I saw it originally, you really liked it. I remember talking to Greg Alba outside of the premiere and me going, I don't know, but Alan,

he's like, what didn't you like about it? And then he said to me, look, I went back and I watched it, and I see what people are talking about. Yeah, that's not good. I still haven't watched it a second time. Right, so like, I, and, but like, when you go, it is.

telling. The only phase four slash five movie I have seen twice. Like Panther? So then two. No way home and Waconda forever. Those are the only two. I have not seen a single other one of those a second time. I also find it interesting in Secret Invasion. It feels the most like a sequel to end game of anything yet. And it literally feels like a... And Captain Marvel. Oh yeah,

of course. But I think we were expecting Captain Marvel. We got an end game sequel. Nobody's talking about it. Right. I just think people are tired. I think people... I mean, And again, whether it's not necessarily, like you said, I don't think it's superhero fatigue. I think it is, and we had Chris Carr on with myself and Roxanne. She said the same thing. It's a mediocrity fatigue.

And it is when you watch some of these shows, it's like, it used to be you would go and watch a Marvel movie, and you're like, oh, how are they doing this? It's like, it's so good. It's so good. Now it's like. I also find myself enjoying other types of movies and shows more because of the abundance of them.

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Shortly after DC Studios announced, it's Chapter 1, Gods and Monster Slate Logan, director James Mangold shared a photo of Swampthing on Twitter. he's going to direct the movie and it was announced by James Gunn and Saffron at the end of January. It's unclear whether or not he's going to have time to work on it. Next up is his long-awaited Timothy Shalamey fronted Bob Dylan biopic

with the current plan being for him to follow it with his Dawn of the Jedi Star Wars movie. Interesting. I didn't realize Star Wars was coming before Swamp Thing. Still, it's a project he's clearly excited to tackle in the not-too-distant future. Talking to Variety, this is what he said. Well, I'm sure DC views Swamp Thing as a franchise. I would be viewing it as a very simple, clean, gothic horror movie about this man, monster,

revealing he was toying for years with the idea of making a kind of Frankenstein movie. So upon learning that Gun and Saffron would be taking charge of it, he said he put in a friendly call to suggest he would develop Swamp Thing while just doing my own thing with this, just to stand-alone. It's hard to imagine DC Studios being happy with Alec Holland being a one-and-done character, so chances are the movie will be used as a launching platform for Swamp Thing to appear elsewhere. For Mangold, however, it's clearly a one-off rather than an opening chapter of a trilogy along these other lines. The character previously appears a short-lived TV series on DC Universe that was loved by fans but scrapped due to budget constraints.

That news was met with a negative response and why we don't have, we don't expect this movie to be tied to that in any way. The Swamp Thing is returning to a live-action setting in theaters, no less is good news. All right, so go ahead, Winston. I was just having a talk with my buddy. I took a friend of mine to the indie screening, and we were just, talking about the reason why sequels have a tendency to work is if you don't go in there with the mindset of we are automatically going to jump into a sequel. If you think of it from the standpoint of like we got to put our all into this because I would make an argument probably

with into the spiderverse and across the spiderverse and now beyond. I probably guarantee you might have some ideas of if you were greenlit for a sequel, what you might do. Sure. But otherwise, the focus is this is all we get. Focus. Just on this, put the energy just into this. And if you do that, I think you have a better chance of genuinely making something successful work. Because I feel like that was probably even the case with Guardians. It was like, hey, we want to introduce Guardians of the Galaxy. We don't know if people will take to it because that was the most obscure.

Beyond everything they had done previously, that was the most obscure thing to potentially do as a film. And it works so well, they were like, oh, my God. The second one feel like it came out within just a few years after that. They greenlit that and like, let's go. Like, we're all about it. I think if you treat Swamp thing like that is just like a, let's do it and see what happens. You're opening yourself up for more success, I feel like. This is such good news to me because I feel like a huge part of the Marvel problem is like,

how do we tie it to everything? How do we make that sequel? How do we, it feels like an open door instead of a journey and experience. I love phase one because Iron Man, you watch Iron Man. It's a damn near perfect movie. When it ends, it ends. And it can continue. Can continue, not needs to continue.

So James Gun has made it very clear that these things are going to be disparate parts, but also they can be seen together. That's comic books. When you pick up a comic book, or a better example is a trade, because a movie's more like a trade paperback where it's the full story. You pick up a trade,

you can read that trade. You can also read the next trade. You can read the one you could also read another character that's in that one, but you're going to get a story in that trade if it's written well. So I think we need to start looking

at the DC universe like he's describing where I've got this story to tell. Someone might tell it differently after me. Someone might connect it to these things, but I'm telling this story and that's going to make for better filmmaking. I want movies to be a movie,

again. And this gives me a lot of hope. This is what I want to hear. James Bangle's the guy for it. Yeah, and I'm also kind of hopeful that they scale it down. If they're going to make this gothic kind of horror movie, that they scale it down, even though, obviously, if you look into the budget of what Logan was, it was probably $150 million, whatever maybe, but didn't feel that way. It felt like a smaller, it felt like an independent film because of the substance and stuff that was I think Hugh Jackman took a pay cut to make it rid of R. So I think it was actually pretty small. I think Hugh Jackman said he was willing to not get paid as much in order to make it. cost more money? The rated art movies don't make as much money.

That's not necessarily true. But at the time. At the time, I get it. So, like, I remember there was a public thing of him like, nah, let's figure this out, let's do it. Yeah, between, look, still, between 97 to 127 million, which in the grand scheme of things for those movies, it's not, it's not a lot.

That's what I hope Swamp Thing is. And because of two main reasons, reason one, because of what he's saying, in the horror aspect you want be able to scale that down. You don't want it to look too big.

And the other thing is, movies should stop spending this much money on it because you don't, this is compared to the Flash, something is way less popular than the Flash. And that is a risk, whether Mangold's doing it or not. That is a risk. So $120 million is crazy that, you know, now that's a smaller budget for these things, but it is. And it should be the trend, because you're going to make more in your investment if it's just does, if it does enough, and you can make more creative choices. I feel like the less money

it goes in with, the more bold you can swing. And also, the expectations when it comes out aren't like, we have to make a billion dollars to clear even. Like, the fact that I love the fast franchise. The fact that the budget of this new one is like $300 million, that's not fair to a movie to ever have expectations of it. I know the other ones have made a billion. But if you come in at $300 and then you advertise, I mean, you need to make $6 to go to get into the black. It's misreading the market as well, too, is what they're doing. I think the only reason you should ever have budgets like that is because telling an epic conclusion. Or like the Lord of the Rings or the Avengers.

But that's what I'm saying. Infinity worn end game. I'll give you that budget because this is a culmination of the last 11 years. It's the series finale. We're wrapping it up. It's the same thing with Lord of the, like, with, I don't remember what the return of the king's budget was,

but like sure you are going to get a higher budget because of how grandiose those things are, but it's like I would expect fellowship to be a hundred for two towers to be maybe one 10, but then because it's return of the king. We're wrapping this up. Cool. You can have your 180, 200.

That one's a little different, though, too, because they shot it all at the same time. I know exactly what you're saying. Yeah, and it's just, it is. It's one of those things of let's build to it because it's too, it is not the same market that it was four years ago. And for a lot of different things,

COVID, for sure. Inflation. Yeah, what the dollar is. And again, Marvel mediocrity has hurt the comic book movie business in general. It really has because it's just like, and there's a lot. And DC Studios' tumultuousness, I would say. I'd say Marvel mediocrity meets DC going like, boop.

I've enjoyed, it's funny too, because all the DC movies that have come out, all the ones that have done, Shazam, Black Adam, Flash, I've enjoyed watching them. Now, do I think that they're phenomenal movies? I think that the Flash is pretty damn good, to be honest with you. But I think that Shazam 2 is, I don't know if I ever watch it again. And it's hilarious because I think that the star of the film is the worst part of the whole movie. But I think that the movie itself is still, it's entertaining.

I think it's got some good stuff in it. But Black Adam to me is maybe just a guilty movie pleasure as well, too. I'll tell you what, out of the three of them, Black Adam, at least for me, the score is the best out of the three. Teth Adam, listen to that track. I listen to the gym, it's great. It's a good gym track. It gets you going. I also think that Marvel mediocrity is also tricky because I think that Marvel is still, even if you look at, obviously, if you look at one through five, still, my God.

what an incredible bell curve. Like most of their stuff is exceptional. The problem is recency bias to how we're thinking of it and expectations. If we've gotten A's and B's forever, a C minus is going to feel rough. But another studio, the bunch of C minuses is just a studio. So with them having so many Cs and C minuses, even when there's the sprinkle of A's, it just feels worse. So I don't think of them as overall a mediocre studio by any means.

But I do think that the way we've been experiencing them and because of what you're talking about with like, if there's anything wrong that's all people talk about, It's just exhausting to be a fan of this stuff. Yeah, it's true. And it's become political at times too, which is stupid. So tiring. All right, let's move into the last topic of the day,

and that is, of course, Spider-Man across the Spider-Rust. All right, this movie is anything but mediocre, not only with the quality of the film itself, but as far as box office, this baby just made $500 million. Bam-bib-Bah, blah, blah. That's a lot of money, especially for a longer animated film. So you talk about the third one.

The third one's going to be a massive, massive hit. The Flash might be running on fumes, so says Mark Cassidy at the box office, but anyone who blames superhero fatigue on audience disinterest need only look at Spider-Man across the Spider-verse for proof that a great movie, regardless of genre, will still bring butts to the seats. He's agreeing with everything we're saying here.

Sony Pictures critically acclaimed sequel has now passed a 500 million milestone at the worldwide box office after less than three weeks on a general release with $290 million. domestic and 215 overseas. Its global tally is 506. The animated Spidey Adventure exceeded expectations with domestic opening of $120 million and quickly surpassed its predecessors' global total.

The movie has been performing spectacularly both overseas and the U.S. since and shows no sign of slowing down. Does it stand a chance of passing $1 billion and catching up to Super Mario to become one of the most successful animated films of all time? Could be a tall order, but we would bet against Miles Morales and his wall-calling counterparts.

All right. So let's answer that question first because I'll stick in a negativity. Why not? It's not going to catch Mario. But I will say, if it did, it deserves to. I like the Mario movie. It's a lot of fun. It's not a better movie than it.

Not even remotely close. But it's 90 minutes. It's the most recognizable character in video games. And you can take a five-year-old to see it. And the five-year-old. I actually believe, if I'm not mistaken, I think even just money-wise, Mario to Spider-Man that Mario just as like a franchise

is more profitable. Yeah, because it's like such an icon. And I know Spider-Man is too. I'm not knocking Spider-Man, but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It is, it's true. And it's just, like I said, Mike, and that Jack Black song too, man. The Peaches? Bro, that, that, that, that,

did you see the video of the elementary school kids where the one kid did it for, he dressed his Bowser and played the song for his talent show, and the entire school busted out singing peaches with him. It's so, my top. My daughter went to her graduation party, not the one that we had here with the barbecue, but they had a party with all the kids and went to this place and they were dancing and everything too. And she said that, and I think that my wife was actually there to, went at this part. And she said that the DJ stopped, started playing peaches.

And the place acted like 1956 and the Beatles just walked. Bro, it's, it's let it go. We don't talk about Bruno. It's that, it's that hit that kids will look. And it's so shripped. It's like 45 seconds long. Yeah. It's the best part of it.

But anyway, Spider-Man now crosses 500 million. It's a major milestone. What I do think that it will do is I think that the next movie, that might have a chance to take on Mario. That might have a chance to take on Mario. I also think this half a billion dollars is incredible because we were just talking about with Swamp thing.

This movie cost $100 million. Right. We were blown away that this cost half a Pixar movie. Like this movie is a lower budget superhero. a movie that has made half a billion already. And it looks cooler than those movies too. Looks cooler than most movies. Almost any movie.

But I love that it's showing that creativity is more important than even name recognition. Obviously, Spider-Man's huge, but that still could have been like a release. It's the word of mouth that's got this movie at 500 million. Like it's the fact that it's so good, so creative, so inventive, so bold. Because you're right, it's a long movie. And it's not for every, under eight would probably be bored. That's what I'm saying. Like, it takes a five-year-old to see that movie.

That's the reason why Mario is going to be. going to keep that because you can take a five-year-old to see it. You can't take a five-year-old to see that movie. I think that's the thing that's so interesting. It's not to say that movie stars are important, and it's not to say that the character or the franchise isn't important, but I think we've gone to that age if before it was always the movie star, right, or it was the director. It's a Stevens-Spilberg Field, I have to see it.

It's a Tom Cruise movie. It's a Will Smith movie. I have to go see it, right? Then the past couple decades, it's been, no, no, it's an Iron Man movie. It's a, whatever. Now. IP. Which it was IP.

Now, because of how guarded people are of their dollars and their time, it is a thousand percent. Is it just good? If you do not get that, people ain't going. It's kind of, it's true. It's also like people are just going to wait for it to come home. Like that's on top of the guarding your dollar, there's also like, oh, we only have to wait 45 days. We'll wait 45 days. Well, there's a few movies that can kind of pass for it.

Like I said, Mario, to me, it's not a great movie. But the reason why that movie did well is because obviously recognized, but it's, when I took my kids to see it, they were smiling, they were laughing, we had a good time, and that's why I was always, the critics that were like just lambasting the movie. You guys don't get why this movie's going to be.

Why this got made? I love seeing that movie get out and everyone just so happy. Yeah, exactly. That's the moment. Yeah. It's so wonderful when he does see it. And Spider-Man across Spider-Brus is just a really well-done film. But there's also, I had this whole conversation

with my brother and my friend yesterday. They were talking about, like, comedies right now. You can't put comedies in the movie theater and expect it. Like, look at, like, again, I keep. Yeah, I'm wondering how that's going to do. That's not going to do well. No. I've heard it's not good, but it's not going to do well.

That won't do, because even Jennifer Lawrence, who was one of the biggest movie stars in the planet, still has a big name. That's not a movie, people are going to run out to see it. You have a better shot at taking, and out of the three movies, it might be the worst, but you have a better shot at taking Jennifer Lawrence and putting in one of those movies like that,

and if it's quality off of your previous point before, have a better shot of it doing pretty well, like a Sandra Bullock Channing Tatum type movie that they did, then you do trying to do a movie like Burke Kreischer did with Mark Hamel and what did Sebastian Manuscalco did with De Niro. I haven't seen both of them yet. I hope that they're both hilarious and I'm sure that they are. But the reason why that's more of a risk these days

because this ain't 2010 and you putting a hangover in there anymore. People can find those types of movies on Amazon. They can find them on Netflix. You can find them on... I was sitting at the dentist looking up at all the things, and I saw like seven of those types of movies. Now I understand the argument against the tour of your, if you're bird or Sebastian going,

well, I don't want to just be another movie that disappears. Right. I think I want one of the hits. Problem is most likely not going to hit because those types of movies, people aren't going to the theaters anymore. Dude, that, that sucks because I think about the bridesmaids and the hangovers and all of those just types of movies that like,

God. The joy of sharing that laugh, dude. Yeah, honestly. Honestly, just just, just, just, just, just, just, Just because, yeah, that's, that makes me sad. Because I would have loved to have seen Palm Springs in theaters. That movie is so much heart, so funny, and it never got a release. Well, that was also pandemic, though.

No, no, totally. But it's an Amazon original, or what a Hulu original. So it never had the opportunity even if it wasn't because it was made by a streamer. And I think about, what's it called? Those one this week. Oh, extraction. Man, I would have loved to have seen extraction in a theater. Yeah, but that's the whole thing, though.

But that's the risk of that. That movie, you put extraction in the theater, those types of action movies. 80s action movies don't get made. Back in the day, when you have a, much better shot of those. That's kind of a sure bet with Chris Hemsworth and a big movie star. 21-1 minute 1 or everything we talked about. Streaming and pandemic changed the game dramatically.

Streaming killed the movie star. Streaming killed the movie star. Streaming changed the movie business because it's like there are people are very, very cautious about why. Because now, even today, when you go into the theater, like if you, because you pay so much on your credit cards or whatever for streaming services every month. So it's got a net. And you never had

that back in the day. And now you have to justify. Leaving. Yeah. Because you're already paying 80 bucks in five streamers. Can we go see this movie? Why? We can go watch. There's like 7,000 movies on. And we have a big freaking television. And society did, like, forgot how to be in public

in the pandemic. Yeah, they were always. It's gotten so much worse to the theater. I think I like the theater before 2019. It's a generation. You shake in your office. I'm sorry. My old My old man, The cloud. But there's also like, there's more phone use in public.

There's more like, there just wasn't that part of the society. Like, yeah, it's terrible. It's also me being old, but it's part of it. I rarely go to, I mean, I'll go to the screenings. Right. But I rarely go to the movies, unless I'm taking my kids, I'll take them in the mornings and stuff too, because I try to avoid those crowds. People get me crap about premieres.

It's not about the premiere. It's about me not being with the public. I like to see a movie with people celebrating the movie. That's why I go to the press screenings. So those are people taking notes and they're so hoity to-oity. You know, you always do? Press screening. And this is for anybody.

If you ever get a chance to go to press screening, sit near Alonzo Doralda. Because if someone turns their phone on, can you please lower your phone, please? And it's the best. I wait for it. Like, this happened, this happened two weeks ago.

This happened two weeks ago. And I knew it. I timed it out. Alonzo was sitting in the back, and he was waiting because it was right before the credits or whatever, too, and it was happening. And then it was, you know, it was enough time.

We're like, okay, I'm waiting. And it was like, this guy, if this phone stays up, we're getting in Alonzo. We're getting one. And the guy keeps it up. It was, no, it was at the, it was at the, it was at the, it was at the, it was at the, uh,

it was at the screening for a little mermaid. Oh, okay, okay. And then, can you lower your phone? Wait, wait, and Capitan? Yes. I was there. I remember that, yeah. Bro.

It was great. You experienced it. And you, and you wanted to cheer. Bro, I was, I was, because I was on the opposite end, because I remember you and your daughter sat kind of up to the right, right? I was in, uh, the, the, the handicap section. And so I was sitting. sitting there, I just heard, can you turn your phone off?

And I was just like, plead those. He said, I heard the please, but I just heard and I was like, what is happening? I love, he, he, forever. There was a, there was a James, um, Rochi who, um, who has passed. But he was, he was the best. When it came to that stuff, he was like, sir, can you, it's time to turn your phone off, sir, turn your phone off, sir.

We are here working, sir, turn your phone off, sir. I got, so good. I got one at Indy. A couple days ago where I was sitting up in the front and there was somebody I guess right behind me and something happened some and like a line of dialogue was with and someone just goes, would you please shut the fuck up? I don't know what they're saying. See that's the thing is like that is the screenings we go to. If you go to just the public, it's chaos and it's so like I know so many people that don't go to the movies because of the public. And that's a mess.

Well, people forget that you're around other people. It's not your movie. Right. And you paid $20 so they think they're entitled to show to everyone else. So I think there's a lot of problems. I used to be someone that thought the movie theater would always be here. I think streaming means it might be, we might be the last generation. Like our kids might die of AI, but I don't know if Will made like the last theater.

I don't think so anymore. During S-E-N, I would say I think theaters are going to go away. I think it's going to be the end of it too, unless, you know, studios start buying their own theaters and things of that nature, which is certainly possible. But I don't think so. I think this is proving that the, I think across the Spider-Verse proves that it won't go away. There's a lot of Avatar. I think it proves it or won't.

It's not just quality. It's specific movies people want to see, very similar to how, like, the theater was back in the day. And it's like, it's not the way it used to be before COVID and before all these are streaming. Where are you going? Oh, I can pretty much gauge that this movie will probably do pretty well because, you know, it's got this star, it's got this, it's got this,

this genre is hitting right now. So we got a good shot of this thing doing pretty well. In comedies and actions, it ain't that anymore. So it's like, it, it's like, It's a crapshoot, but I think you're going to see, you're still going to see theaters. The business has to change. And the budgets, the budgets have to come down.

They got to come down. If I'm a studio head, I'm going, every movie we're spending $200 million. Our last three movies have lost us money or barely broke even. We have to stop paying $200 million per movie and then another $150 a marketing. It is a terrible business decision. Terrible.

We also just don't, your movies aren't doing that draw that automatically anymore. Right. It's not a default Friday night. Here's a movie. Here's what's playing. But that's also a thing with the, I mean, the strikes happening. We need to make sure we also like can pay the people making it to be quality because visual effects artists, writers. Everyone that's making these movies is underpaid while they're not spending the money well. And the streaming wars, guys, by the way, and the streaming and all that, it really is super young. It's only four years or something like that. Five, I remember talking about how it was starting out and when we were on like Collider and movie talk and shit talking about that stuff. But anyway, all right, this is a fun conversation.

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