The Kristian Harloff Show - Shang-Chi movie review! (Non Spoiler) - The Big Thing

Episode Date: August 24, 2021

Shang-Chi is coming out this week! A bunch of people have seen it and the word is good so far! Kristian Harloff sits down with comic book movie enthusiast and Comic Book Shopping host Coy Jandreau to discuss the film and how it holds up. They also discuss Eternals trailer in depth and the battle of streaming platforms and what it should mean for theatrically released. Follow on Twitter Kristian Harloff https://bit.ly/31PePMD Mark Ellis https://bit.ly/2U1wKPa Brett Sheridan https://bit.ly/2HBltii Steph Sabraw https://bit.ly/3m0ud0z Kate Mulligan https://bit.ly/3owBneT QUIP: http://www.GETQUIP.com/BIGTHING Time Stamps 2:00 - Kristian looking forward to Eternals 3:30 - Shang Chi talk 11:00 - MCU future talk - Young Avengers/Xmen 13:00 - Marvel Studios talk and actors needing to stop the "this isn't cinema talk" 14:15 - Impact of big movies to the business, actors and independent movies to streaming 15:30 - day and date release discussion and streaming strategies for movies/shows moving forward (really good back and forth discussion) 22:20 - TV shows Kristian is watching....Sopranos talk (brief) 23:00 - Star Wars talk 25:00 - QUIP & a special guest 29:30 - Sopranos impact on tv 30:00 - more Shang Chi and MCU villian talk 33:20 - Marvel What If discussion - spoilers for episode 2 if you haven't seen it 36:30 - Impact of Comic Book genre and why it won't burn out anytime soon 41:20 - Jon Favreau impact 43:00 - Xmen talk 48:00 - Multi-Verse talk 50:00 - Marvel movies and shows out this year and next (Coy theories) 52:00 - Ryan Reynolds talk 55:00 - Eternals talk 60:00 - movies and tv shows Kristian is looking forward to the rest of this year 62:00 - Catch Coy on multiple shows/outlets; help grow the show on podcasts and youtube PODCAST FEED https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-big-thing/id1451239165 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5ybLJ2kCBCCZCacTOv1tgkOn episode 10, WE ARE NOT DOING SUPERCHATS, STREAMLABS OR SCHMOEBOTS ON THIS SHOW. We rely on you all downloading the show on podcast form. The SEN LIVE feed will eventually become the Big Thing show podcast form. Please download the episodes and subscribe to the feed: Thanks to Bryan Ward for the graphics: https://twitter.com/bryaneward?lang=englynn pasquill Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What's going on, everybody? Welcome back over to The Big Thing. And it's Shang Chi, the review. Yes, absolutely. I did not see it. But I am going to be talking to Coy Jandrew, who did see it. And, man, I can't wait. I have so many questions about this movie.

And Coy is going to not only talk about his great experience being there at the premiere and running into Kevin Fagie and doing the Coy-Jandru selfie thing that he does and does well. A lot of stuff that we're going to talk about with Coy because it's Shang-Chi time. People are raving about this movie. I can't wait to talk about it. It's a non-s spoiler. And here we go. On the Big Thing, Mother F's, boom.

Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. It is The Big Thing Show on the S-E-N network. I'm me. You're you. That's what I figured out in this world. Anyway, everybody's raving about Shang Chi-Man. I'm so glad it's as good as people are saying, so I don't feel like I'm just a Marvel fanboy in this one.

Like there's some that I feel like I have to have a little flavor. I had to add a little comic gumption. Well, it is well-known. You're a Marvel Shill. I mean, I got the hat on. Frankly, I got a picture with Fagie. That's right. What else have I got?

What are you going to do? What am I going to do? Well, thankfully, the Suicide Scott was exceptional, so I can actually have something to lean on. That one really helped me. It doesn't matter if you like every single movie that came out to DC. If you're like one Marvel movie, you're on Marvel show. And if I like The Last Jedi, I'm not even welcome here.

I don't know how I got invited. I told you never to bring that movie. That's true. I did. And in your home, no less. God dear. No. Anyway, Coy-Jandruis here is good to have him here.

manager of the quirky mercs, an absolute genius when it comes to these movies to hear and breakdown stuff. I will tell you there's going to be a million times and million references and I'm going to nod in my head as if I know what Coy is saying

and the answer is I know nothing, John Snow. And we will. Also, I know that I talked about Eternals on Friday, but I am going to be talking about it a little bit with Coy also because there's tons of stuff that I want to know how this all pans out, man. As far as how this new phase four

is coming because as I mentioned real quick on Friday. The Eternals might be the Marvel movie that I've been looking for and didn't realize I was looking for because it seems to have everything like it's kind of built for me the type of...

I like the overall Ironman superhero type of movie. This seems like otherworldly people have been around for centuries, epic type stuff. It's like almost like dunes coming out but it's got like an eternal has like a dune.

The cast is similar too. Like the type of actor, the tech, of the film, it feels very dune. And like I said, and the thing on Friday is that I, I liked, I was worried about Angelina Jolie being in that movie because I was like, oh, they're just going to turn it into Angelina Jolie movie. And it looks like she's just part of the cast.

Yeah, she's an ensemble and that's rare. And I love that. And that's the caliber of the cast that she doesn't look like, it's the Angelina Jolie and Friend Show. It says a lot about her too, that she's just like, no, I just want to be in it. Let's do it. Give me a cool role. Yeah.

Let's make it work. I talk to her at ComicCon about it. And the mythology of it is what was drawn to her because she's, she's big in mythology. She's big on that whole, like, Greek and depth of these characters. And this is that. It had like a Troy feel to it. Sword and Sandel pick. Dude, I'm pretty pumped up about that one.

But we are going to start with Shang Chi here because the reason why I was, I didn't knew nothing about this movie at all. Yeah. Like, comics, nothing. How it fits into anything? Nothing. I know it's a full-on origin story, which I think that you might have said in your tweet that it's like a full-blown, like the best story.

It's my favorite since phase one. Since Iron Man, right? Yeah. Yeah. So what makes this movie so good? It is an MCU film without feeling like it's stuck within the confines of the MCU. A lot of times, like, it's the opposite of Iron Man, too. It builds the universe without feeling constrained to the universe.

So you're having an experience in a world that's growing and you don't feel alienated, and they're able to tie you to characters that shouldn't work in really immediate ways. They use pop culture. They use song. They use pop culture. It's got that Marvel humor. But then the third act, is they haven't shown barely any of it.

The third act is so surprising and so big, and it literally could be its own 10 film franchise. Really? The way it goes, the places it goes are so big. It's almost infinity war in scope in a solo film. And it does that by endearing you to a character for two acts and then exploding the movie out into like a mythic world. I have so many questions.

And I think one of the questions that I have is because I think sometimes, and I said this with Brett the other day, sometimes when people go to premieres, especially when you haven't been in a theater as much lately, and it's the first big Marvel premiere, that it is, it's a little intoxicating when you go. And everybody comes out like, wow! Was there any of that kind of obviously going into it?

But at the end of it, do you think it added to it? Have you seen it since? Because I know some people have seen it since. I haven't seen it since because I wanted people to actually get to see it. I think it's a little like, you know, there's limited seats, you guys. I see you going double dipping. But I did go to the Black Widow premiere, which was at the L-CAP. So I got a little take.

of that pizzazz. Right. So this wasn't my first... Did you love Black Widow? I did, but not as much as this. Okay. And that was my first. So technically that would be my...

That would be the first... That's the first drug. Yeah, exactly. Like, this is my methadone now. I'm just staying on. You're off the sauce. Yeah, exactly. I'm just pasting myself, my MCU.

To me, what made this so captivating in theaters was, since I hadn't seen the third act on screen, I was expecting one movie. I got it. And then it was like I got a bonus sequel built in. So what was intoxicating about it was, and the thing I liked, actually, it's perfect example.

Black Widow, what I liked about it was that it reminded me of the Winter Soldier, which is my favorite MCU film. And I like that because the brutal action and the style of violence and the rapid ends. It's like a porn identity movie. Exactly. That feels really brutal and tangible. You feel like you can meet the Winter Soldier in the street and that'd be terrifying. But then you also feel the paranoia of the government watching over you. That's a very tangible movie.

Black Widow captured that again. This is the opposite. This is all the action is beautiful poetry and it's long drawn out. And it's like an art house film. But it also feels like you're in a world and then your world is. explode. So give me, give me a movie that it's comparable to outside of superhero movies. I would say it's Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon meets Amblin 80s films meets hip-hop culture. I like that. That's a good. That's pretty. Do you see dope? Yes. Imagine dope E.T.

and Crouching Tiger had a baby. Okay. That's a, that is a, that is an eccentric baby. It's a great baby. That's why it's doing so well. I think it appeals to different people that normally like this kind of film. I'm, I mean, like I said, I'm, I'm martial arts films grew up on them love them um the raid one rate two are some of my favorite movies over the last like 10 15 years uh some people have been comparing some of the martial arts to raid one rate two i get i get take it easy when i hear that yeah i haven't seen the movie so i don't know but the raid one two that have you seen both those have the martial arts in that in those movies to compare them i mean you got to that's like saying oh no you should try

Papa Johns, man. It's just as good. It's just as good as Prince Street in Manhattan. It's good. Mine's a little weirder. Mine would be the drunken master era Jackie Chan meets Jetli's the one. Okay, see that to me, when I hear that,

from the trailers, I could see that. And I think that's more fair. But also, I mean, the rate is, it's another animal. It's such a different animal because it's such a lower budget. It's the dark night. It's like a superhero film that's up here. And it's so dependent on the martial arts of, it's as much of a character.

I'm sure it is in this too, but like there's, it's a Marvel film. So the Marvel, you have that added money that like you said, it's so big and grand that the raid one and two are not big and grand.

They're big and grand as far as the overall martial arts. And you're like, how are they pulling off those tricks? But there is a scene in this that I get the raid comparisons because what it does that the raid does so well is it uses the Z axis. So you've got your X and Y axis.

I've never seen martial arts in an American film use the Z axis like the rate does. So maybe that's why people are comparing. You see in the trailers really there's a scaffolding scene where they're fighting on the side of the building. They use the depth of the building as much as the... That's fun. Okay, so that's probably the comparison to. And there's also a bus sequence, which is briefly in the trailers.

And they use the depth of the bus. So whoever, I mean, Bill Pope was the cinematographer who did The Matrix. Whoever choreographed these fights talked with Bill Pope for months because you feel he's using the camera like a character. And the martial arts actually make the film the most different from Marvel that I think since winter sol... That's what intrigues me about the movie because that's when I, saw the first trailer after knowing nothing about it and then seeing, I'm like, okay, this is what what Marvel has done famously is take movies and make them different genres, whether it's Dr. Strange or whether it's, you know, we just talked about Winter Soldier.

Even the first Spider-Man was almost like a John Hughes type feel to us. Guardians was like nothing else at the time. Absolutely. So then being able to, and we just talked about Eternals and how different that looks. So being able to do that, that's what is intriguing. So tell me about the story, though, without spoiling anything. What's the overall story and why should I care? So the beautiful thing about Shang Chi is it's a family story,

but I actually think this medium is better suited for it because you can only invest, I love comic books with all respect to comic books as a medium. You can only invest so much in a family dynamic and a comic book about like a father and son if you don't know the comic already. You can't just pick up a Shang Chi and go like, man, daddy issues.

You need to be invested. Whereas in a film, you can see Simu's eyes. You can see Tony Leong, who's incredible in this as the father and be like, oh, there's a lot going on here. and they expound on that with a mother-daughter relationship, a brother-sister relationship, a father-son relationship. But what's interesting a lot like the runaways is there's a criminal element that you actually understand the basis behind.

So you're not, there's no villain here. It's a guy doing something for a reason that he feels justified in and a scale of mythic quantities. Right. So everything is like, like the runaways, a small scale villainy, but you add a family dynamic, you add martial arts,

you add a mythic quality. So everything is as contained as an argument over a dinner table, but instead it's martial arts and traveling and dealing with thousands of years of mythology. That's good. So all of that meets a vibrant world of martial arts incorporating the MCU without being tied too tired to it. So when you say that, like what?

Meaning that it just because it takes place after Thanos does the snap and people are still trying to figure out like how the world works or... There's elements that tie to other mythic things we've teased in the MCU and you've seen the abomination in the trailer. Right.

But there's also elements that set up where phase four is going. So it's a middle piece. So it's basically, thanks for investing everybody who invested beforehand. Here's your reward. And if you're brand new to it, here's all a bunch of new characters you get to follow. But it does close the door in a way that the film ends and it doesn't feel like you're left hanging. But it also could be a 10 film franchise without tying to the MCU. But it also is going to be essential to watching the MCU.

That's what Kevin Feige does best. He manages to make a piece of a puzzle feel great in your head. And also when you put it in. So basically he creates these tools and he's like, well, if I need to use that once we do it? Because are they going to do more Avenger films or no? I think there's new Avengers. I think we're leading to young Avengers.

Okay, young Avengers. And I think that's... So everyone, if you've noticed in the TV shows, there's a lot of kids. So you've got Wanda's kids. You've got the new kid from... But at the very end, the button, she heard them in that other reality. You remember all this shit. I don't.

And then we'll go through in order. We have Wanda Vision with kids. And then Falcon Winter Soldier. He meets the Patriot, which is that kid that is the grandson of the Captain America, Cy Bradley, another kid. That one I remember. There it is. And then the most recent show, we just are.

Loki. We just finished with Loki. Kid Loki's in there. And then we've got Ant Man's Child who has abilities. She's basically the same. I think that gets tricky. But what's going to be interesting is I think that becomes a show. That way you have a long form.

It's a Disney Plus show, I think. I'm good with a show because I was one of those people who was like, they're going to do a goony sequel with the kids. You know what I mean? If you have it on the show, you get the 12 to 15 audience and people like me. The show, and I stand by the same thing I say about every show, you give, even if I go into it, because I went into WandaVish going, and they went me over immediately.

Yeah. No, I shouldn't say immediately, but after a few episodes, I was in, but they had the benefit of having more episodes. Right. One by one by one, the reason why Mandalorian and all these other shows are so good because you're so invested through, by the time you get to 10, 11, 12 episodes, whatever you get, you're like, oh, man, yeah, I was there from that journey and that little thing.

So if they do a show with Younger Ventures. Yes. I think the next team is X-Men. You think that in this phase? No. But I think the next time we have a gathering that is an adult team, it's going to be gathering the X-Men.

When are you think they're going to start setting up the X-Men? I think in the Eternals they start. I think we don't see the X-Men born, but I think a seed is planted in the Eternals that allows for them to go, like, remember that thing, and then that's a seed we don't realize has been planted.

I think they're going to incept us in Eternals. So when they, five years later, go, like, oh, and we're like, what? Right. That's going to be the moment. Because, again, with, pun intended, I guess, with Marvel as a film company, there is no endgame. No. Right.

There's just like, let's just keep making these things until they don't make money. We're in some sort of infinity war. But honestly, dude, it's like for people who are just like, oh, yeah, like you get, I don't know, whatever celebrity decides they want to come out against comic book movies in the week, it's like they, why would any studio go, you know what? What the hell is the guy? Freakin, the guy from, God, I guess, Dorfman, right? Oh, yeah, what was that move, dude? I like him. And he's a friend of Scarjones. I like him a lot.

Yeah, same. And he's a great actor, and he was in Blade for God's sake. He was in Blade, exceptional in Blade. He's such a good actor, but he's just an example of one of the many who come on and say it. And it's like, yeah, you know, it's rude at cinema. And then Disney or Warner Brothers goes, you know what, Dorfman's right. Let's just shut it all down. We don't like toys.

We don't like movies. We don't like shows. We don't like, shut it down. The other thing, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, schick sometimes for people to just come out against the corporate stuff. It's like, but it's hypocrite, hypocrites who will either go to Disney World or Disneyland, go to see every single movie that either Warner Brothers for DC makes or everything to. And it works.

We're talking about them. But, but I just, you know what I'm saying is it's hypocritical for people who go to see those things to then go, oh, the money hungry studios. It's like, well, it's a business. Show business. It's a business. I think the big movies aren't killing. mid-brained cinema. I think they're keeping theaters open.

No, dude, streaming is keeping independent movies alive. I think there's two paths now. And I think big, big 10-Pols help us. I think the 10-poles keep theaters open and they allow for actors to make more risky chances. 100%. And it gives people more opportunity to get their movies out there, the smaller ones, because if somebody pops in one of these big Marvel, DC movies. Career. But then they go on another, like, let's say a $5 or $6 million or $10 million, hell, Small budgets at this point are $30 million.

Let's say a $30 million Netflix movie with the star of the dude It was in the latest DC movie. More people are going to tune it in as opposed to More people would not go in Because it's like, well, it's never worked that with box office. It doesn't work there with box office. Look at Robert Downey Jr.'s movies that he's done.

Other than... When the judge came out... It didn't work. Nothing worked. But if you put those movies on streaming, more people watch them. And I think that budgets and all this stuff is going to change dramatically.

Shung Shung Shih's like, do we know what the budget is? I think it's a little over 150. I think that changes soon. Yeah. I think that they're making a play. Well, Fagie and Disney certainly making a play right now to cut out. They're not even doing the Disney Plus thing right now with this movie.

I don't know if they're doing it with Theternals. I don't think they should. I think they really need to entertain a theatrical. I'll tell you why I hate it because I don't go to the movies that much anymore. Right. I'm not going to, Shang Chi I really want to see. Like, I really want to see it.

It's like probably one of my most anticipated movies because of the martial arts aspect. and I'm not going to see it until it hits thing because a lot of different reasons. One, at the moment, not ready to go into a theater. Sure. Right? Eventually, it will be. But even then, you know,

if I want to take my wife or my daughter into it, for you, I could go to a lot of these screenings still if I wanted to, right? But if I'm not, I'm going to take my family out. I got to drop some. That's $100. I got to drop some dimes. Yeah.

As opposed to, you know what? I'll just want to drop the 30 bucks to make some popcorn and live on. That's also the why it's going to be hard for films to budget that. Like a movie's not going to make. It's $150 million off $30 at a time. It isn't, but it's also, but you got to, but you have to look at the long run of what, the whole enterprise,

the whole enterprise, because the question is for, like, HBO Max is going to do some serious auditing on how they do things, right? Because the question is, everyone's like, oh, well, it hurt in the heights. It hurt, what was the last one that came out that, that did, a suicide squad.

Yeah, I heard that for sure. Did it hurt the suicide squad? Black Widow it hurt. So, but the question is, how, how much did it hurt? there are other things going on in the world that people were ready to go back to movie theaters and then they weren't again. So you could also blame it on that. Oh, sure.

The Delta thing is definitely a factor. Right. But the question I have, though, as far as how many people, because when HBO Max said, we're going to release June, we're going to release the Suicide Squad, we're released Mortal Kombat, Matrix, all this stuff. How many people signed up to HBO Max because of that, right? Plenty, but not as many as the cost of 10 people watching it on one. Yes, and that's my point about budgets being changed because those movies were not meant for the HBO Max model.

Right. Because instead of them going, look, we know we're going to take a hit here, but let's see if we can get a lot of subscribers. Right. Versus your Palm Springs, which is like, you know, forded 50 million. Hulu made that money because they got a surge of subscribers because of how good it was. Because that's the future. And that's what I think people will start to do because I'll tell you, man, Eternals, I know Eternals probably a big budget. movie just from the cast alone, right?

But it looks small. And what was the movie that she did? The writer? Yeah, the writer's hurt. I loved that movie. Yeah. And that movie looks like it costs $60. Yeah.

And it's so good, it doesn't. Yeah. And she continuously, what she doesn't, what she's not going to be able to do in this one, what she's done in all of her friends, because she just did the one with Francis McDormand. Yeah. She uses like real people in her movies.

And you can't do that with heroes here. She ain't doing that. I think that's what Disney was planning. before the pandemic. I think Disney knew the writing was on the wall. That's why the shows are so high budget and invested because if you want to spend $120 million, do it over six hours. Right. Then you subscribe. And I think they already had the writing on the wall for where things were going. This just accelerated it. So I think that's why Young Avengers on TV. I think that's why X-Men are going to be both platforms. I think we're going to have X-Men movies and we're going

to build independent. Yeah. They're just going to see a giant thing happen in the next 10 years. I do. I think they shift focus on how they do it in general because what people do when I think it's unfair for people to say, well, Black Widow failed, the suicide squad failed in the Heights failed. Because, again, those movies were not planned out to do the streaming thing. They're planned out to be in the theater. Next year, there are going to be movies that are going to be made for the idea of, okay, let's, because people, whether everybody's back in the world living the way that we

used to live or not. People have gotten comfortable and families. And like just parking in LA, in my situation, like, leaving to park. Sometimes I guess I'll stay home. It's still. That's what I mean. I just, and because of technology

and because of the things like movies, like I think it was just recently, Dene Villeneuve came out, was talking about Dune and how it shouldn't be watched on TV at all. And it should just be in theaters. And it's like, not everybody can get to theaters, dude. Like,

and especially with families. It's like, I think that this strategy, if done differently. And maybe I don't mind as much as I want it now, I want it now. Yeah. I don't mind the 30-day window.

thing. The 30, 40 day. I think that's how Marvel goes forward. I think we get four Marvel films a year going forward because I think originally they were going to work up to that and then it happened because everything got stacked. I think we get four Marvel films a year, go quarterly. And then I think we get between four and six shows. I think there's going to be rarely a week with out. And Star Wars to all three years. And Star Wars balances obviously the weeks they're missing. But I think there's going to be rarely a week without Marvel content. And therefore the people don't notice the 30 days because they've got X, Y and Z. And then you've got a year round Marvel. It's just a machine. Right. And I think that it makes a lot of sense.

if you're doing it that way. But the only thing I will say, if you're giving me that 30-40-day window, don't charge me 30 bucks. Once it pops. You put it on Disney Plus. I sign up for Disney Plus. You put it on Disney Plus.

If it's $30, $30, $30, $30,000, afterwards, I'm paying $30 to $40 because it's coming out and I'm watching the same day as everybody else. Right. That makes sense. Okay, but no. Well, now it's $30 if you wanted 40 days after it's been in a theater. I don't think you can pay-per-view post.

Like, I don't think you can do like, And it's already out. No. No. It's like, well, it's on demand and other people

are going to pay $20 for it. And you can still, if they put it on Amazon, because right now you can go to Amazon and get Black Widow for like 20, 30 bucks, right? Okay. That's different than six bucks. It's different than putting it on Disney Plus,

which is I thought, because I'm a Disney Plus subscriber, that I should, that's what I'm doing by subscriber. And this feels so much like the Netflix, because I, remember when we had like Kazah and Limewer and Netflix was just DVDs?

There was that shift. And you can bootleg this stuff at this quality. You can buy it for this quality. And everything was shifting. We're living through another one of those that happened so quick. Like, because of the world, we've shifted ahead, I think about four years. I think this was coming, but it would have been about four or five years in the future. Right.

And now it's now. Right. And we, because we were talking about that. Like what's streaming, like the streaming wars, all these different things. Yeah. Back in Collider, we'd talk about this stuff. And we thought it was like near future, but not tomorrow. Netflix.

Like when you look at like the overall, if you look at it like Game of Thrones, where Netflix is pretty much the Lannisters and they know exactly what they're doing and then it's just like well wait a minute that battle plan they got to the battlefront a lot faster than we thought that they would because they were forced into it. It was almost like the nothing from never-ending story like came in and then everyone's like oh man we just got it we got to save Fantasia somewhere and then you've got people like Apple that came out of nowhere that has such quality content that's only for TV right they have the occasional movie but they're known for their TV structure but it's premium and high They've got, because they're fucking rolling over.

Yeah, there's whatever money throw at the problem. Ted Lasso, it's, yeah, it's so funny. Like I've mentioned this, it's Ted Lasso. I'm about three episodes in the season one. So I'm going to, that one I am going to get, uh, Donna's. The wife doesn't like her, right? She doesn't like much. Okay.

I remember there being a reason. I was like, she gets mad at me when I said. She's like, oh, they, everything is it. She likes the things that she likes, right? Respectable. Yeah. And, um, so when, um, but for that one, I'm going to watch it. But I'm watching this brand new show that.

is great. You should check it out. I've heard it. It's called The Sopranos. Oh, I've heard of this. They got a prequel coming out. I think it wrapped up a little bit ago. But, no, but I'm like, I can't help it.

I'm like, season four, I'm going to do it. I don't know. I'm season five now because I want to get, because it comes out of my birthday. Yeah. Oh, that's a new one. And I'm almost done. You'll power through it.

I want to power through it. But I, but I am, however, taking a, or at this point, I have taken a break because the Phantom Menace, we're doing a breakdown on, on Sith Council of all of the movies. That's great. So we're doing Phantom Menace.

We just did Phantom Menace on Friday. We're doing Attack of the Clones this Friday. We're going to do all the movies. You, Stefan, Mike? Well, Steph and I did the first one. Got it. And I think Mike's going to be able to do this, the second one. And we're just going all the way through all 11 movies.

I was going to ask, is it the spinoffs too? That's fantastic. Yes, we're just not doing the animated movies. That's fair. Or the animated Clone War movies, but we're doing all of them because by the time we finish them, we think we're going to be getting into Bobafet. Oh, that's perfect. And I'm a solo apologist.

I think more people who can visit it. It's not great, but it's not as bad as other things. It's just, this thing with solo for me is, and I've said it, people are tired of hearing it, but like it's not a bad movie. The problem with the movie is that you just shouldn't have been a solo movie. Should have been about a different bounty hunter. Yeah, or a different person.

Yeah, just another rogue, fun, charming guy in space. He's a good character, that character. It's just, for me, it's not Han Solo. Yeah. Yeah, and Proxima, Lady Proxima in the beginning, drives me crazy. And every time someone brings up solo, I want to have John Hoey on this show

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It's like instead, when she shows up and you've seen the movie enough, right? She pops up and imagine if she was like, oh no, got to be it. You're like, oh shit, what does she say? And then his subtitles.

Instead it's, Oh, solo. Oh, what are we going to do with you? It doesn't make any sense logically. Yeah. It's a big fucking worm. There's no reason for English with those characters. And it drives me crazy every time.

Crazy. It should be like a thing. Yeah, make a moment. When aliens know basic. Holy shit. This guy knows basic. But, hoey, this is why the matches you get. Sorry.

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Anyway, back to Shang-Shay because so give me an overall score of what you're going to score this film overall. I gave an A-minus. It is, actually, I can even run you down. I scored it my number 10 Marvel movie of all. Isn't that hard to do that because it's so fresh in your brain? And because there's so many different types of movies. Right. But isn't that, don't, isn't that hard to say?

that it's in your top 10 after you because you just saw it. Because I was able to separate what flaws I saw in it versus others, and I basically went by flaws. I went negative. So the things that bothered me about other movies, the elevation of that. So that probably won't change on a rewatch. If you go positive,

it does affect you. I'm hesitant. I'm actually hesitant doing that now, honestly, and not to cause problems with anybody, but I'm hesitant after Last Jedi. That's fair. Doing that kind of stuff because I,

and I famously talked about this, where I, when I saw it in the theater, I didn't tweet about it because I didn't know what I just saw. And I was like, I'm not sure if I really liked that. Sure. I can't, I can't. I know it was a well-made film. I can't tell if I liked that.

My villain problem is my big Marvel problem, and this doesn't have the villain problem, which puts it automatically in the top half. Villain problem in Marvel's been getting better. Oh, infinitely. Phase three and four have been, they figured out what the problem was in phase two and they fixed it. It's so funny how it was like,

okay, there's another shit villain. And then, because even though I think you redeemed himself in Falcon and Winter Soldier, what's his face? Darren Zemo, absolutely, redeemed himself. Zemo is pretty worthless. But that's the beauty of the way that Marvel Universe works is they can retroactively improve. It's amazing because the continuity is so tight. They can go like, oh, this is what he was doing in this day, and then, like, just put this in. And you understood, you understood him a little bit more, even though they tried to set it up in Civil War.

Yeah. Civil War was all about Cap and Tony. Yeah. That's really what I mean, and he was just there. Right. He was the catalyst, so he needed to be there, but he also didn't get enough time to be interesting, separate of the catalyst. Like, Loki was really the kind of first villain in Avengers. Yeah.

And I thought he was a good villain, right? But it was so funny how quickly Kilmonger, to me, became the best villain. For me, it's Kilmonger and Thanos are like right there. And then Thanos came around and then dethroned Kilmonger so quick. And I was like, oh, finally we've been waiting for someone to be the king of the villains and it's Kilmonger. I remember being on movie talk and this is the guy. And then Thanos comes out and stuff. Like, Thanos to me is the Vader of, of...

Oh, 100%. He's one of the best villains of all time in cinema. But what's interesting about the, what they learned, I think they actually learned it from Marvel Netflix, is they learned that the villain has to be as interesting and have the right motive as the hero. Because Kingpin is the exact same character as Daredevil with motive. Right, motive.

You're just looking at motive. Yes, and so speaking of motive, and at this point, what if the Chala one has been on? Yes. You've seen... Oh, yeah. Thanos is a good guy. It's fantastic.

So great. And it goes back to that. And sorry. Spoilers, it's on Disney Plus now. The motive that you're talking about is not really there. And they'll end, they turn that motive into a joke. It's like a used car salesman. Like he's like a guy that has like this golden idea.

Conspiracy theory guy. Yeah. He's like, oh yeah, I think this is the move. And you're like, dude, that sounds like genocide. And he's like, nah, if you look at it this way. Captain genocide is the best nickname. It's hysterical. It also addresses the conversations we've all had.

Like, why didn't you just make more resources? Right. And it's really cool that they can make just one, choice where Tachala would handle being Star Lord better than Star Lord and having a conversation with Thanos is all it took. That's an amazing what if. And that's what makes that show so strong is you can literally, it wouldn't work unless we were 13 years into the universe though, unless we were this invested in these tiny little choices. But right now we have what if Shang Chi, the suicide squad and an eternal straight at once. And it doesn't feel like the same thing. No. All four of those

things are completely unique to themselves. I think that that's why for for what if what they're doing right now. How many of you seen? Uh, I've only seen the first two. I didn't watch the three screeners. I like them week's week. I saw, I saw the, all three of them. And it's funny, each one got, like, because the first one I thought, I'm as much as I like Peggy Carter. I just thought it was basically Captain America, but what if she was Captain America?

And the pacing was really rushed. It was weird. It was like they just pretty much just took her, said, okay, all the things that happened to him, it just happened to her. And it was nothing really different except she went into the machine except him. She's great. And she was great. She's a good character, but like, eh. It felt small.

and it shouldn't have started small. Right. I like that they started. If that's, if they, if they did that and they started with that one, fine. Because if they continue to do what they've done in two and three, then it just keeps going up because two is great. Yeah. Two is great.

Because even though it's like, okay, well, they just replaced Chala in, in that role of Star Lord. But it changes everything. Drax's families alive. Thanos is like, I was going to say if they made him like, oh, but he's why, because if they were going to make him like. Star Lord and then he starts cracking jokes and doing it all. But he's the same guy. He just happened to go.

He's just a good dude. Yeah. And every, and freaking, what's his face? I'm so bad with names that I would get crushed in him. Michael Rooker. Michael Rooker. Yondu. Yandu.

So Yondu is, is not, same relationship, but different. Yeah. And treats him differently and talks about. He doesn't, he talked down to Star Lord. Yeah. And he treats him like. And he respects Sachala because he would. Also, you know.

You could argue that Chichala's better off as Star Lord than maybe the King of Wakanda, because all the restrictions he has as Wakanda, and it clearly wants to be free of them. It's a great. It enhances both characters. It's really good. And then the third one is, without going to,

but that one's not out, so I'm not going to spoil it. But people have seen the trailer, I guess, for it. It's like the Avengers, if the initiative didn't go the way it was supposed to. Genius.

That really worked for me. Yeah? It really works for me. That was my favorite one out of the three. And I love the second one. That's impressive. I love the second. And this is all right now.

So everyone that's like the. bubble's going to burst, everything's so similar. I've not felt like anything was similar in a long time. I think there's arguably four giant properties out right now, all based on major comics, not just indies, major comics. None of it feels the same. There's another reason why it's not going to burst because of what we were just talking about.

And it's an empire. Besides it just being an empire, because you can't just turn out because you can, again, you can make great food and then you just start, you know, and you open up a chain of restaurants, so your food gets crappy, people are going to stop eating it. Sure. I think that what we were just talking about before with,

the independent and the streaming movies like they have a place to live whether it's Apple or Hulu or Netflix or Disney Plus is always there's a place to make smaller movies now right? The big budget movies are going to want to live in the theater because people are going to go back to theaters

people are going to see it. You're going to see less like the tickets for the $30 million movies and a lot of people aren't going to spend the money for it. And those that will still will. Yes. The Lemley's will still have people that are die hard. A hundred percent. And it just

you know and it's like you get a Netflix, what they did with the Irishman, where it's like, okay, look, it's going to get a mass thing, and then we'll put it for people who want to go see it in the theater. I saw the theaters. Right, they can.

Yeah. But movies like Marvel movies, they're going to continue to have that big audience, and it's very similar. People are going to know how they compare the two. Marvel movies to me right now are very comparable to The Bachelor. Okay?

And I'll tell you how. I'll tell you why. The Bachelor, and I work there, that show will never die. And do you know why I'll never die? Because mothers who are watching it right now eventually we'll start watching it or mothers fathers whoever are watching it are watching it with younger uh their 13 14 year old start watching it growing into it 15 then they start watching it with

their friends when they're 17 18 19 19 then there's and it in a place to housewives a place to it plays to it plays to it plays to it plays to i mean there's so many people that love that show and it keeps going on and on marvel same thing Same thing. We're on the second, arguably going into third generation of Marvel fan. That's what I mean. 2008 was a while ago. So because there's so much content and so many different characters, and now because of streaming,

where you can go and say, all right, I'm going to watch the entire phase Marvel. And then you're like, oh, I'm done. No, you're not done because now there's something else. What I was so hooked into it. And now, yeah, but look, now there's this. Just like comics. That bubble ain't bursting. It's a new genre.

No, comics run for 70 years for reason too. Right. Comic books, you pick up a comic, you read your character. Oh, this guy popped in. He seems cool. I'm going to pick up this run. It's the same thing. smart that Kevin, I give Kevin Feigy a lot of credit. He knew to model it after the success of another

medium, but bigger. See, I'm not giving the credit to Kevin Feigy. I'm giving it to Christopher Nolan. I'm giving it to Christopher Nolan. I think he made it adult, but I think Kevin made it the multimedia choice. From what he did, from what he did with connecting Marvel and connecting the stories 100%. Yeah. But Nolan made Batman cool again. Right, which we needed. Which we needed because it wasn't Joel Schumacher. Same year as Iron Man, though. 2008, Dark Night. I mean, granted, 06 was Batman Begins.

Absolutely, but Batman Begins was the first one. Yeah. Dark Knight and Iron Man were the same time. But I don't think Iron Man has that same pop if Batman isn't kicking ass the way that he's doing. I think it was one of those. It wasn't quite deep impact Armageddon situations, but I do feel like there were two pots cooking at once.

Yes, for sure. We needed them both. And Batman Begins, do you remember the advertisements for Batman Begins? they advertised it like a Katie Holmes heartthrob movie on the CW. I remember one of the trailers is literally a romance like trailer. Makes sense. Because they needed to sell it. They needed to sell it.

That's how bad things were then. That's how bad things were for superhero culture. You had to sell it as a Katie Holmes vehicle. You're nervous. Some people give it a blade saying that blade started up. Blade was smaller, man. Blade snuck away being a superhero film that no one knows a superhero film. Right.

Which is important. That's right. It came out in 99, I think. 98, 99. Because it beat the Matrix because the trench coat thing starts. The Matrix is 99. I think Blaine was 98. Oh, so you're saying Beat, okay. Yeah. Either way. It comes out and absolutely did a lot of stuff for comic from movies in general, but it was a rated R film.

Yeah. And going the mainstream round and bringing Batman back into play, and some people will say, well, X-Men. Yeah, they were huge. Because X-Men from 2000 and on, but I think that still people weren't carrying it over the same way. And when Marvel was able to connect it and make it, the... It's been a television show in the movies. Yeah. So, again, where we started and... I think the first movie was...

That was mainstream accepted was X-Men. I think that wouldn't have happened to that blade, but I think the first film was Batman Begins. Right. That's what I think the difference is. Absolutely. When you have a filmmaker like Nolan there, and then you look at...

And I don't think enough people have been talking about this. Obviously, Figi for what he's been doing, but his name is never thrown in there as much as it should be, and it should be Favro. Oh, my God. not it's like it's like he's done for everything star wars uh like lion king people don't give him enough well lion king is what some people

will get mad about but like i happen to think that you know for for what he was able to do without doing lion king for if you love mandolarian then shut the fuck up about lion king because he he developed a lot of that technology and a lot of the stuff that he's working with and it kicked off a whole new genre that's 100% Mandalorian's new genre

Marvel new genre line king new genre like what at swingers is a new genre like favro consistently and he's a fan of this stuff and you can tell and I don't think his name is, he's not given as much credit for what he did in both Marvel and now Star Wars, right? Because people are going to forget this, even though it's such a cesspool sometimes. But like, Star Wars was in bad shape when Mandalorian came out. People, it was in bad shape.

It was so much, I stopped talking about it. I'm like, I don't want to talk about Star Wars anymore. I'm like, it's not fun. It sucks. Everybody fucking hates each other. I'm like, this sucks. Yeah. It's making, not the material itself, but just being, it just felt dirty.

And because people just didn't like what came out in that new trilogy. And it was like, it felt like politics. You and I have talked about this. Yeah, I avoided it until Mandeloran. Mandelorans have got me back to talking about colors. Same. And then, you know, bad batch and all this. And then watching, because I think for even the naysayers of the new trilogy who were like,

oh, this is going to suck too. And then they see what's put into it. And like, okay, well, there's hope of the stuff that I like. And then there's, it seemed like same page type stuff. I think Favro and Follone, obviously. I'm very responsible for that. But continuing on and giving Faii Ghii the credit is continuing on this narrative of learning how to change, shift, do genres. And he's doing this apparently with Shung Chi.

I absolutely think Shang Chi is a movie that will benefit from the theater, but it's so good, it will be good at home. I do think Kevin loves the theater experience enough that what we're going to get is, like, weekly comics are going to be like The Young Avengers on TV. And then we're going to get annuals in the theater. I think we're going to get, like, the big, tent-pull movies are still going to be similar to Star Wars. Yeah. So I think what Figey's been able to do is look at the medium of comic books and see like, oh, that's a $10 issue. That goes here. And then weekly issues are four bucks.

They go here. And I think he's modeling things after that. I think I wouldn't be surprised if we start to get things that feed directly into each other where there's going to be an origin on TV. And then you see them fully formed in a movie. So you can, if you watch a movie, you don't have to have seen everything before it, but it would help you. So I think that the X-Men, for example, we might get a Cyclops, a storm, all these characters on TV. Oh, on TV. And then we see them in movies after they're fully formed.

I can see the Xavier School for Gifted Youngsters being a show. I love that. And then the X-Men in the movies. Dude, I would love an X-Men show. And then you can do X-Factor Generation X. You could do all the different side X-Men teams. You know what you can really do with it also is that what TV allows you to do, that I'm glad that they're going to be able to an opportunity to do this now is it allows you to test out very similar like wrestling, right?

Okay, with this person, we got an angle for this person. Let's see how the crowd pops for them if they like them or not. Well, you know what? We just debuted this X-Men, this new character. Yeah. Fans didn't really respond to him. We were going to do a whole spinoff movie. Well, let's shift.

You know who they're really responding to? So-and-so, who we just cast by accident and did some really great choices with that character. All right, let's get the writers in here. What do we do this for the character next week instead? And then that goes over, and then it blows up. And then TV, you have the time to make those decisions. Like, Houser was only supposed to be on one episode that show Kingdom, I love.

Right. Houser's the third lead, effectively. And that happens all the time. And it also happens with directors. Look at Deborah Chia. Yeah, Deborah Chow for when she comes in and she just understands the world so well. And they give her the entire series for O'Iron. She's doing all six or five, whatever the hell they are.

So you do that with X-Men because you don't know which characters are going to grab, except Wolverine. What I would do is have Wolverine be two seasons of a show before he even shows up in a movie. Because in the comic books, the problem is it becomes Wolverine the X-Men very quickly. Very fast. What you want to do. It's consistent. Is that what you said in the movies? Yeah, in the movies.

Yeah. Because comics it did two. It's a problem. Yeah. So I want, he's amazing. He's a bad. But you want Cyclops. to be the leader, not Wolverine.

You want Gene Gray and Cyclops' relationship to matter before the Phoenix. You want Storm to actually get some time and not say lines about Toads. You want characters to get some... So what I would do, you introduce Wolverine on TV two seasons and set it in different past because he's ageless. But then you introduce him on Disney Plus. I know, I know. Listen, I think the plan is smart. But with him being ageless, he can show up in a movie after two seasons and be the same age and make it appropriate. And that way characters get Wolverine before, why they want him so bad.

And then by the time he's the movies, you haven't really. ruin the X-Men. Who do you, would you, would you make him, would you make him short? Yeah, I have to. I mean, I, if there's very few things that I'm attached to, short Wolverine's one of them. Hugh Jackman is the one exception because the man is Wolverine, he just happened to be tall. Yeah. Much like Ryan Reynolds, like, got a dead hole too. But this time around you think I make it tall. I want like an Edward Ramirez, like, feral little like intense dude. Did you see Jungle Cruise? I saw, yes. The bad guy in Jungle Cruise. No, no, no. I remember. I think he'd be great. If you go younger, I want Terran Edgerton. I think, I think, I think too sout stocky, very like.

I didn't Tehran. Oh, Taryn, Taryn Edgson is like 511. Yeah, yeah, but he looks stocky. Like, think about his build.

I just want someone to look like they are like a bub. Like, I never talk to Jackman saying, Bub. Yeah, but Hugh Jackman, but Hugh Jackman is, he's got a lean build.

He's got like a... True. I mean, but Taryn Edgerton's not stocky. I seem as pretty stocky. But maybe I just like him because the eagle. Yeah. I see the two of them.

Great, but I think doing it that way would be great because, you know, taboo now back in the, but back in the day, well, Mel Gibson was thrown around. Old Man Logan. Yeah, was thrown around. Would have been perfect. And because he's like actually 5'4.

Like Melkings is a tiny guy. He's like 5'8 or whatever he is. But still, but are they see that small? He's real small. Because have you watched Edge of Darkness, the Boston movie? I know, I know it, but I don't remember it. Literally there's a couple wide shots in that where you see actual Mel Gibson height and it's almost comical. Like it doesn't quite. I think he's going to say 5-7. Oh, there's no way. That's a lie.

I don't know. 5-10 is not in. I mean, I don't think he's as small as you think he is. It's pretty small. How small do you think Al Pacino is? 5.9. You suck with height. Al Pacino, if he's lucky, he's 5.6.

But Tom Cruise is, and they're going to lie. 5.8. See? I think Google gives a couple inches. Because Tom Cruise is like 5, 5, 5.6. And they say he's like 5.8. 5.7. Okay, that's a little closer.

All right, Google. You may have hoodwinked me. I don't think you're good. All right, Mel, show up. Mel, roll through. We've got to stand next to a shark. I don't think that's your, I don't think that's your, I don't think it's not my strength. But anyway.

But yeah, I want someone stocky, and I do think doing a long form, you can have him go through the wars, you can have all that character development, and that way he's not Wolverine and the X-Men. He's a character on the team. What do they, so, Shang-chi, when it comes to, are there, do I get rewarded at all? And it's not a bad thing of the answers, no, but do I get rewarded at all from watching Loki or Winter Soldier or the other one? The freaking Scarlet Witch, whatever the one division. Not really. Not really, but also kind of.

Okay. That answer, when you see it will make sense. So there's a reference, but it doesn't. It's not mandatory. But you don't need to watch. Right, which is fine. Which is what I think is the smart move for now, until it gets more established.

Of course. I think they need to really make it so it's a one in one, like starting phase five where you need to watch the lead up and then it's like the payoff. The only show that I felt like, holy shit, you might really have to watch this in order to know what's going on was Loki. Loki's going to change everything. The moment in Loki where the multiverse starts is like the snap. That's like the whole thing.

because that pretty much just said, okay, well, now we know that all the Spider-Man shit, that that's all going to go down now. Because- Dr. Strange is now an Avengers movie. Everything leads to Dr. Strange.

Basically, that was the beginning. Yeah. And the end game, for lack of a better term, is Dr. Strange too now. So everything's going to lead right to him cleaning up all the messes.

It's a sequel to Wanda Vision. It's a sequel to Spider-Man. It's a sequel to everything. When does that come out? I think 20-22 now. Which also makes sense because when it came out, there was so much stuff

that had not come out yet, So they probably had to do a ton of rewrites. Yeah. And you're shooting it during these times and you're having to like change your storylines because they're changing their Disney Plus storylines because there was a whole virus storyline in Falcon Winter Soldier.

Oh, you think it was literally a vaccine. Like there's, they mentioned it once and they're like never touched again. So like there's going to be stuff like that. What about post credits without giving the spoilers? You're hearing this two of them. Yeah, and they're fantastic. They're very different.

Are they, are they worth something as far as story goes? Are they just fun? One fun, one story? Yeah, exactly. One fun, one story. But the one that's not as important is still very important just more in one path than broad. Got it. It keeps you on a path versus expanding, if that makes sense.

Well, Shang-she to me seems like that's the one that I really, I mean, I don't know. I mean, after seeing this Eternal's trailer, I don't know. But if I have, there's three movies that come out this year with the MCU. It's Black Widow, this one, and then Shang-Chi. And series-wise. And Spider-Man, December, if you count that. Spider-Me. Of course I do.

Yeah, it's part of the MCU. So that's, wow, there's a lot of good ones. And we got not counted, but Venom in September. It's a great time, man. It's good. I mean, and then... I think it might count more than we think. Really?

I think there's going to be elements of venom. You hear things. Yeah, I think... I think some things. I think that Interdimensional Sinister Six is happening, and I think there are seeds planted with vulture Adrian Tunes in this... Do you think of bigger deals happening behind the scenes after, like, that whole fallout happened with Marvel and Sony when they almost lost it, and then, like, the new deal figured out a lot of shit?

I think Sony got a nice piece of something that is allowed in Venom because of that deal. Because of it. Because now you notice Spider-Man is way more available in certain elements of marketing. He's going to be in longer in the MCU. I think Sony wanted something for that. And I think Venom's going to get some juice for it.

So that was that the new deal? How many more movies is he allowed into now with... I think two and then two more solo. So they're going to be able to use him sparingly, though. Yeah, for now. But they could also, it's an evolving agreement. But you also notice that Adrian Toons is in the Morbius trailer. and the Morbius trailer has Spider-Man in images of it.

Okay. We haven't seen any Spider-Man in Venom, but Venom and Morbius are in the same universe. So I think the big interdimensional Sinister 6 that Spider-Man 3 is going to be is going to tie directly into Venom and Morbius. What's going to do? What's going to be?

I think Leto is just, I mean, it's always going to be a lot with that guy. I think it's going to be a fun, like, B-Hour movie thing? Wasn't it supposed to be out already? Yeah, but like everything, they don't even have a date for it yet. That's what I mean.

Yeah, they just pulled it. That's what I mean. Like, he was supposed to come out a while ago, It's one thing like, oh, yeah, everything got pushed. Yeah, but to win. We haven't heard about that one. It's like this turning into another, what's the X-Men movie? Yeah, that poor new mutants movie that just got like whoop.

And then it like unceremoniously came out and was like, hey. It's like, it's like a horse that broke its leg. Yeah. At that point, it's like, well, we're going to put it here. Disney didn't know what the hell to do with it now that they bought it. And it's just like, it's like. What a way to end a franchise that started so much? Yeah.

It's such a rough ending. Yeah, in that movie, it's just like, just put it out. No one's going to see the fucking thing anyway. Like Deadpool, I think is going to revive a lot of that love. But I think it's going to, I think there's going to be, like, much like Guardians, I think Deadpool's going to be its own little corner. Deadpool 3, right? Yeah.

So, and that, does that, and that, they already confirmed, right at R. Yep. And they can, they got the writers, they got Ryan. Okay. I think it's going to be a Deadpool show, a Deadpool movie, and a team. You think there's going to be a whole Deadpool universe. If I'm Ryan Reynolds, I'm taking that deal immediately because he's different than Downey. Yeah.

But it looks like Free Guy is actually, is actually, have you seen it? Yeah. Okay. So Free Guy looks like. there's going to be this, this is the exception to the rule where some people just can't pop, right? Yeah. Ryan Reynolds will do like six movies and you'll be like, yeah. And then he does one, that's great.

Yeah. And then he does another one. Like, oh, okay, that wasn't, he keeps trying and doing new things. Like, again, free guy. Yeah, which is genius. It's actually way smarter than it's advertised. There's a lot of philosophical elements to it that are genius. I like when producers and the studio knows that.

Yeah. And they market it, you know, still selling the movie that they have simply because then when you actually deliver and more so, because everybody's raving about this. I'd rather be surprised with intelligence than dumbed down and be bored. When's it come out on Amazon? Soon-ish. I think it's a 30-day. That one I'm going to, if- Because it's been out of a week already, so.

But you can't pay for it yet. Not yet. No. See, that one I'm going to pay for it. I think Ryan is quietly one of the best entrepreneurs in town. 100%. Because it meant mobile because of aviation. And like, he puts it in his stuff.

And like, you've noticed it's in his movies, but like, he tucks. it in. And then he's got this whole empire and he's able to just consistently be fresh so he can make riskier movies, which I think is great. Because this indie works great. Like he's in, have you seen the Nines? He's got this great movie. I've seen nothing, gore. Okay, so there's this movie called the Nines. It's literally a metaphysical journey

where he plays three characters that interweave like a poem. Oh, okay. And it's like all Ryan Reynolds opposite Ryan Reynolds. And it's, you can't take those risks unless you got Mint Mobile and these things. What was the one he did? Shit, there was one that he did. Buried. Yeah, incredible. Big and big risks. Like that's a very bold thing to do.

He's got a different type of career because he's just so charismatic that you always take a risk with that guy. But that's why I think Disney's in the Ryan Reynolds business. Much like Downey, I think he's going to have way more control than most other actors. I think Deadpool's going to be a bigger fixture. I would argue Deadpool should be the only one that actually relates both Marvel and the X-Men. If I was doing it. That's what you would assume. But I wouldn't, I don't want X-Men versus Avengers.

I would rather have the X-Men get to exist, not saying they're in another universe, but just over there. And then Deadpool's allowed to be the guy that, like, references that he's in the universe. Yeah. Right, right. Because I don't want too much convoluted 20 team plus 10 team. Like that seems like it's going to get messy. Yeah, I'm curious how they're going to play that one for sure because they're making a lot of moves. But before we take golf here today and close this one out, let's circle back on the Eternals trailer because it came out on Thursday last week.

And I didn't know anything about it. You know, like again, I'd seen the trailer. I knew that both. The King of the North and John Snow were in it, and they were back together. And, man, this trailer looks good, man. And I really like her a lot. And she's from, and like I said, I love the writer.

Yeah. I love the writer. I was skeptical with putting Angelina Jolie in there because I didn't want it to become an Angelina Jolie star-studded project. Doesn't seem like that at all. I love that they tell you inside the question. Why didn't you guys get involved with Thanos is around? And that's a smart way to set up with the character that John Snow plays.

It's a great way because he's basically Whitman is his character name He's the Black Knight and he gets a shield I mean a sword Who's the main character John's the King of the North? Basically Icarus I think he's a bad guy Oh you do?

I do I think he turns I think everyone else loves humanity And he's sick of it That's my theory But I think Whitman who's the Black Knight I think he doesn't become the Black Knight Until the third act or post credit scene So I think he's our eyeline

As a human going like what are these eternals So that sets up that they could fight each other Exactly I think there's a love triangle involving him and I think it's going to be basically the dynamic of a human who gets in But with power versus these gods that love humanity. And what's cool about his sword is it's basically the anti-Mileneer.

Instead of being like, you're worthy of this, like you've got to be kind of a dick to wield this. The sword makes you a worse person. It's almost like the ring. Yeah, exactly. It's the ring, but it's like this dark magic similar to the ring. But I think we're going to see him become more and more malicious and sarcastic while still trying to save people.

And I think that's going to be setting up its own other thing. So I think we're going to get the beginning of the John Snow thing. Because you're going to have to set up. So, I mean, it's, and this goes to the evolution of just Marvel in general. Long gone are we from Tony Stark selling arms and then having to build a suit in a cave. It's just a human story of, oh, this guy knows tech, and that's it. Now we're in time parallel universe. You're speaking my language.

It's magic. Dude, I looked today, I googled time travel possibilities and the use of water, right? Because for some reason, every time I turn on a fucking faucet, whether it's the bath, or whether it's the sink, a memory flashbacks from a time of my life. Cool. And it's like, and it's a specific memory. And it's weird because it's, if I turn on the sink, it's a particular time of my life, same time period. Yeah.

Whether it's like 2003 or 2004, it's the same time period. But in the bathroom, when I'm giving my daughter a bath and I turn the water on, it's a different time period. And it flashes in. That's amazing. So it's sense memory. I don't know what it is. But whatever it is, it's like, I, I said, why do I keep down?

Like, is there something with time and consciousness and all that? And so all this shit with Eternals and Loki and all that. This is the stuff I'm locked into Phase 4 because this is the kind of crazy shit that I like. I'm going to go and I'm going to enjoy and shove popcorn on my face during the, you know, endgame. Yeah, you're black widows and you're more contained. Sure. And I'll have fun watching them. But this is the stuff where I could like geek out about.

And it's sci-fi sword and sandals type shit too. And that's my favorite type of stuff. Owen Wilson and Loki having conversations about existentialism. is my favorite stuff Marvel's done. Like just those conversations. Winter Soldier is my thing because it captures so much of comics, but I want to just have those conversations

be the forefront. So if Eternals can capture that through these broad concepts, because there's a lot of religious overtones in the trailer, like the seven days creation, that's obviously very Jesus-based, like all of these things. And these are creatures that have more power

than humans that try to protect us, but also are watching over us. So there's going to be so much fun going through thousands of years of mythology, but also dealing with all the Marvel universe stuff that we've had only in this much time. Which is really fun. So what's, what's, what's everyone's, obviously there was a big thing on Twitter that everyone's like, oh, it's Galactus, but it's not Galat.

It's a celestial. So that's, um, uh, Abareth, the, the Cus at the watcher. He's got something the name. I forget the guy. Is he the judge? Is he, oh, he's a judge. The watcher is Jeffrey Wright. Yeah, that's Huattoo, the watcher. Okay. It's, uh, Aberrith, the judge, and he's one of the Celestials. Celestials basically, um, I think in this continuity, they're going to invent the, uh, eternals as a furthering of evolution. So I think they're going to be more robot-based, but furthering their illusion, make something like the Eternals. And I think they are basically going to be one of the cosmic entities responsible for creating the universe. So we've started to see a little taste of that, like in Loki. So Owatu is something that just watches. We're going to get the Living Tribunal, who's responsible for the ramifications of choices.

He's a cosmic entity that basically tries to keep things on a just path because he sees all realities at once. All of these things are coming to play. And I think in the Eternals, we're going to see, like, the fact. fabric of space time and who created. That's what I want to say. It's going to be insane. And then between, so this year is, it's funny because this is like my, this is a year for me that I'm really excited for for certain movies, whether it's this one for sure, even though I haven't seen it, the Suicide Squad. The Dune Matrix.

Yeah. Like those movies alone, it's like, okay, that's, that's, and then obviously my most anticipated right now is, is the many states of newer. Yeah, of course. You're in the zone. I'm in the zone right now. So like, so as, and it surpassed. And it's August. We still have almost like, like, five months.

Yeah, what's, so what do we got? When, when is, uh, Hawkeye coming out? Hawkeye's November. Hawkeye's November. Yeah. So then, and BobaFed is, is December. Yep. Spider-Man's December.

Spider-Man's December. Matrix, I believe is November. It seems like a November movie. So October is, is many saints in Newark. September's Venom, which I'm stoked for. September's, so yeah, it's tons of, like, so now, now it's like every month, something big is coming out. And we're living in a time where it's, it's, it's,

dense. Like the Matrix blew my mind in 99. It changed cinema. There's no way they're coming back if they're not planning to do that again. Like they're not coming back with a limp script. They got a fix two and three, man. They got a fix two. And I don't think they would unless they have that. If I'm Warner Brothers, I'm going, give me number four. Yeah. Let's see what we got. We'll talk about it. And if it

crushes, then I'll Greenlight Five. But if I'm Keanu, Kari and Moss, or even Yahya, I'm not touching it unless it's great. Yaya's career is perfect. That dude has only done good stuff. Canna is very similar to what we were just talking about, Ryan Reynolds. Yeah. Canter, but different, because Canter Reeves will do this thing. Stinker, stinker, stinker, stinker, stinker, stinker,

mega thing you remember for the rest of your life. Stinger, stinger, stinger, mega thing you remember for the rest of your life. Like once a decade, he's the guy for like two years. I would take his career ten times out of anybody else. And he can make so many risks because of it. He's like, oh, okay, he just did this movie no one's ever heard of that directed TV. Oh, he just did point break. He just did this movie that nobody ever talked about.

He just did speed. He did this movie, nobody ever talked about. Bill and Ted. And he came back at Bill and Ten. Matrix. And then he does John Wick. Yeah. And it's like, dude, that guy's got the best.

And somehow the nicest guy still. Like somehow like that's, he does all of this and he gifts motorcycles. Like he just is this whole sort of incredible dude. A good human. But I think that's like some karma of like he can come back from that because the world just like he's good. Ryan Reynolds, they hear the same thing about him. Like everyone who has ever been. Sent me gin for my birthday.

Was that? Sent me aviation gin for my birthday. Oh, nice. Yes. An absolute angel person. He's a nice. He's a nice. He's a nice.

He's a nice. being. So anyway, look, it was a pleasure talking to you. First time on, big thing. First time on? Come back on. And guys, honestly, go check Koi out at Koi Jandro, obviously. And you can check him out at the movie trivia Shmodown. He's hosting the first place

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