The Kristian Harloff Show - She-Hulk Episode 1 Spoiler Discussion - Capes + Cowls (Marvel)

Episode Date: August 19, 2022

On today's episode we talk episode 1 of She-Hulk, the new Marvel MCU series. Disney Plus launched the latest series starring Tatiana Maslany, and Mark Ruffalo appears in this episode as we learn the origin of the She-Hulk and how Jennifer Walters must balance it. This is a SPOILER heavy discussion of episode 1. We also discuss what to expect from D23, the Ezra Miller apology and more on this episode of Capes and Cowls with Kristian Harloff, Winston A. Marshall and Coy Jandreau. #MCU #marvel #disney #shehulk #D23 #ezramiller JOYMODE: http://www.usejoymode.com/BigThing PRIVATE INTERNET ACCESS: http://www.privateinternetaccess.com/thebigthing SUPPORT US ON PATREON: https://patreon.com/schmoedown Ask Kristian questions for next time! https://facebook.com/harloff Become a Patreon of the Schmoedown: http://patreon.com/schmoedown OTHER GREAT CONTENT: REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT368qY7sfE0nKE4c04CqGvu TV REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT1LU-t2Z9AD5UJDiWW4pS_E STAR WARS SHOW https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT0XmfpbblkF9PY7uO2qhbN6 THE BIG THING PODCAST https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT3KAwbzDsv6mdR-gwUiydQg - CM Punk Interview: https://youtu.be/R8Js8uj6GfE FOLLOW KRISTIAN + FIND HIM ON CAMEO https://cameo.com/kristianharloff https://twitter.com/kristianharloff https://facebook.com/harloff https://instagram.com/kristianharloff Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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It's our comic book movie show, all of it, everything encompassing the world of comic books inside of movies, TV, the whole nine yards. We talk about it on this show. It's going to be a lot of fun, man. Shee Hulk, episode one. This will be a spoiler-heavy discussion on episode. Episode 1. Now, Koi and I did get a chance to see episodes 1 through 4, and if we do speak about those, it'll be mostly about the tone and non-spoilery, so you don't have to worry about that.

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And what happened inside of that? What did Ezra Miller choose? Well, they apologize. And we'll talk about that. Too little too late. We'll get into that conversation. There's other things, not Swamp Thing, Man Thing, that's not similar at all. There was a movie back in 2005 that Kevin Faggy liked.

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It's me. It's Coy. It's Winston. And let's do it. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. Caps and Calas, big thing. Sitting next to me, Winston, A. Marshall.

I was going to be real pissed if you would change the bottom. To the bottom. Yeah. I haven't learned this Photoshop enough yet Too much work Too much for that Thank God

And there's Koi Oh you know what Quay got to fix you here Am I too tall? Yeah you keep You know what I'm gonna ask you to do something That's not hard for you to do

Talk for a second Oh be talking Okay so the thing about She-Hoke Is I'm not gonna spoil it But I'm gonna get in fights online But you did But you did You have Winston's penis in your face

Can you move it out of line? There it is I got Winston's Wilson Right here And Winston's Wilson's It's causing the problems Right there Yeah it was a long week for me

Dude I I, because I've been, I follow you on TikTok, and I don't seek out your videos. The algorithm just like, we'll send them. Very nice. What a friend. No, no, no, no, no. You know what? I'll watch it when they happen at it.

I don't watch your garbage. I don't watch it. But if it happens. I can finish my statement. I don't seek it out because whenever your stuff comes up, I watch it to completion. So the algorithm presents it to me. So I don't have to. Probably helps me more.

I appreciate. There you go. I appreciate you. You didn't let me finish my stay. Look at her. But I. I, but, but people, I saw the one comment that you went where it's like, well, is it just like, M.C.U, and they're just like, it's all about the women now. And they're like, fuck me.

But how great is that, by the way, that, and I don't, that they, but what's great about it is the way that this show writes and especially that type of stuff. And it, and it doesn't do it in an antagonizing way. It doesn't in an almost like a, this is the way the world is right now. now and these are the things that are happening. These are certainly some of the comments that are going to be made in general and that have been made in general about certain things happening in our space and other spaces. And here's our take on it. And I, and of course you're going to rile some people out by doing that and they know that. But it's the jokes in this show that I thought were so smart. And remember, when I've talked about this show with you guys, um, beforehand, I didn't think

the trailers were really good. I didn't think that the CGI looked very good. And I was concerned because were coming off of Love and Thunder, which was essentially a Saturday Live sketch. And the comedy in this works so much better for me than Love and Thunder. Absolutely. This feels like it's made for the right. Balance. Yeah.

And the other thing, it doesn't ignore the MCU and what comes before it. Right. It shows love to all of it, and it doesn't, like we said it many times with Thor, Love and Thunder, Thor Love and Thunder almost seems like a parody at times.

Even when the comedy is at a 10 in this show, it never feels like a parody. And there's a character that we meet in one of the next four episodes that is utilized in a new way and that was the moment I fully trusted the show. There was a character, you know who I'm talking about. Where I immediately was like, oh, they're making

this, yes, they're making this completely a different tone while being completely authentic. And I was like, oh, you can do everything. Because I know what you're talking about and the their answer is because it has an explanation. Yeah, it doesn't just happen at you. It doesn't just happen. If there's an explanation behind things and behind changes and the explanation works,

it might not work of everybody. Sure. But if there's an explanation that you go, oh, well, that's why they chose that character path, or that's why they chose that decision. And you go, okay, well, does it make sense in the history that has been set up? And to me, I went, yes, because what I've been talking about the way I said, I was on campus show the other day, and I was talking to him and Robert Brian Burnett about how I went into this show. I basically went into this show, like, when you go to, if you're, if you're doing stand-of-comedy, and you're going to, like, it's the night of, like, a showcase, right? And the agent walks in.

And the agent is like, I've been to so many of these things. Arms folded. Make me laugh. Right. Yeah. I went into She Hulk like that. And my arms went down within 15 seconds. I love that you're aware of that for you.

And you still got out of it. Like what you wanted to. That's great. Because most people don't go into shows knowing how they felt. You said within 15 seconds? 30 seconds. Because it started with her speech, right? 100%.

And the second that that came up, that's exactly what I'm talking about. The second it came up, I said, this show knows what it wants to be. Yeah. Okay. And I said this show, this is a television show. This is a 32-minute television. I love that for it.

Me too. It doesn't feel like a show that is, should be longer. Or a nine-part movie. No. It feels like a show. Obi-1 needed another 15 to 20 minutes per episode. Stranger Things perfect on this, on the hour and a half, hour 15-minute. But I like that Stranger Things doesn't, it wasn't tied to any runtime.

Like one episode to the next episode to the end. I really like that it was free, it was jazz. I don't want this show to be any longer. that it is. It feels right. And I also like that they didn't do. I obviously we saw the four screeners, but I'm glad it's week to week and I'm glad they didn't do two at front. Because now we're having this conversation. For example, how are you liking how the episode ended going into like now we see what the lawyer of it all is? I thought what was cool about it is. We obviously need to explore. Did you like it by the way? Yeah. I like it a lot. I saw your tweets

because I follow you and sometimes I investigate beyond the algorithm says. Do you? Because I haven't tweeted about it yet. Did you really? I thought you comments on someone. So I'm going to investigate. Oh my God. Coy has a second black friend and he can't differentiate. It's Wilson.

A. Marshall that I follow. Is that not him? It's not me. Be respectful. Wilson, go ahead. God. I'm going to start calling you. Idiot.

I'm going to start calling you Cracker and coconut. That's going to be y'all. Langell. And I'll even do. Crackahola. I'll do the voice. for you. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the show. My name is Cracker Harlow, and I am

Coconut Johnro. Coconut Jan Dro. What's funny is my little sister called me Coco before she could say, Coy, so that totally plays. Coconut. Yep. But I didn't tweet about it. It was no real talk, though.

It was actually really well done, how they'd even go right into it. I love the moment when she realizes she can talk to the fourth wall for the first time, because she does it. Just right away. Well, right away she does it, and she knows she can do it. I'm saying after she turned into a whole,

the first time she discovers it on the beach. She goes, what is that? And they both are like, what the hell are you talking? Yeah. I thought that was really funny. You know what I really liked about it also, though, was that they did something very smart in the first episode was they gave you the Hulk or the whole damn episode where he's essentially passing baton, but he doesn't steal it from her. No. Right.

And there's things and the chemistry between the two of them and the jokes that they throw in. That's what I always say. Like the jokes work and it's relevant to it, the Bing Bong-Bong joke was hilarious. I didn't even hear the Bing Bong. Oh, when she's in the thing, she's like, just put on a Pixar movie. The moment he, and then, like, he goes, he goes, oh, Bing Bong. Yeah, like, there's an in Disney moment. And the bruh, that might be the best use of bruh I've seen in media.

Remind me. When he breaks the door and they're talking. And then he hopes just goes, bro. Right, right. No, that was funny. That was, that was great. And I love the fact that we really got at the core of their differences quickly. Yes.

I think we needed to establish that and not sort of stumble through it towards the end. Yeah. I think going, no, there's not a second person here. The fact that there is the kind of tongue-in-cheek nod, which remind me a lot of one of the few jokes in Black Widow that I thought landed outside of just Elena being hilarious. When Red Guardian was like, oh, you had that time of month? And they're like, nah, because I'm a monster because I had my uterus ripped out, you jackhole. So the fact that he was like, you've got to be careful, you'll be angry all the time.

And she's like, I am angry all the time. Do you know how many times I've had to control my rage and to immediately, give the nod to women watching the show being like you goddamn right and the other half of it being like oh another difference here that things are going to be like it was great it was great and it sets it up where it's this everyone's been using this the alley macbiel of of marvel and it absolutely is and it and it's of course it's it's the show is called she hook of course it's going to skewed towards a female audience so people are going oh it's just for women so why this show is for women is it funny to you when you're watching it.

I've also never had a uterus, and I think it's hilarious. Same. Like, I see the comments of like, maybe it's not for you to other people, but I'm like, but that's, but here's the thing.

So here's, this goes off the same conversation that we had about Warner Brothers and Zoloft and all that stuff last week. So even though that the demographic numbers show, that HBO Max. The Venn diagram, yeah.

But even it shows, like, realistically, that their audience is, let's say 80% men. Yeah. And, you know, whatever, 20% women. Yeah. Same thing with us on this show.

We have a higher demographic on men. But it doesn't mean that the women that aren't watching it don't really, really enjoy it. Right. So what if it's the opposite this time? What if this particular show is skewed for women, but men who are watching it love it. You know what means? Hit. Yeah.

It means you meet a new demographic as well as your demographic. The first season of sex in the city was skewed towards women, obviously. but had a lot of stuff that perturated to men. It started to just be way more, in my opinion, way more towards just for women towards the last couple of seasons. It was harder for me to relate to it. But the first like three or four seasons, I was watching it because you could watch it with a girlfriend or whatever too,

but you could see like, this is hilarious, and there's people that I could relate to inside of it. And I think they're doing the same thing with this show. And I think that, sir, all I was going to say is it reminds me of this weird, like, shock. that the industry had, that Black Panther was, like, so widely received. Because they're like, well, that just seems like the black superhero movie is going to be whatever. And yet, it is what, the third or fourth highest grossing?

What's just black people at the time? It is the only MCU film to get nominated for Best Picture. Like, it's one of those situations where, yeah, black people rocked with it heavy. But everyone rocked away. It doesn't see it three times. Like, I was there three times. Like, I was there. So there's no reason that if the show isn't dynamite, which so far it is,

Right. Yes, women might be the main champions talking about it, but why can't men love the show to? Well, and I think that's, sorry, Kobe, that's what they set up really well. And I think by putting the Hulk in there, it shows you like, yeah, and she says that this is in a trailer and a scene. I wish they actually didn't have shown this, where she addresses it. And I think that they cut out a portion of it that doesn't really do it justice. She looks and she was just remember who showed this is in that clip that they showed. There's a longer lead into that that plays really well. But by setting up and putting the Hulk in there, what it does do it is it eases you into it by going, well, look at the relationship to,

make sense on how she got her powers. Because I like that they didn't necessarily have to make the whole damn thing in origin. Right. You know the first episode, well, she's got to get used to it. She's got to figure it out. There are things that she has inside of her blood that makes it work. And that was when they got me immediately. I was so locked into that first episode. I was so impressed that they were able to balance these tones while also not feeling like they're shortchanging our new lead. Like it did feel like I was going to speak to what you said about Hulk being in an out-stealing focus. We've been with Hulk for years, 15 years. And they're able to do so much to make us aware

that, yeah, we know you're watching this Hulk show, but this is her Hulk show, and it didn't feel like what I feel like everyone complains about, the MCU bros, the people that are like, oh, they're just undermining our characters with these new characters. No, it feels like a new character. It didn't feel like

Hulk was less at any point because of She Hulk, and that is a hard line to walk with a new character. They address that. If any they elevate Hulk. Yeah. Because there's more to now, like, as far as the MCU version of Hulk and what we're trying to understand more mysteries were added there where it's like wait you don't have a second person there which we both know because we've read the books yeah that because of the abuse he got

from his dad he actually developed split personality and there's more than two voices for him and a lot of continuities which could be very interesting absolutely so the idea that we got that little nod and we know what's going on there and maybe why that's going on but but oh all of a sudden you heal a little bit different than i do or like okay it really is just adding more layers and she says it too. She says, I'm not you. Yeah. But my favorite part of all of that was the commercial that they showed or the clip that they showed in the trailer

was when he throws the boulder and then she throws it and everyone's like, wow, wait a minute. How does she throw it farther than him? And then it didn't show that he launches it into space because he's so pissed off and she's like, good for you. And it's him being a crumogenely dude. And he's

just showing, he's like, sorry. He's like, I had to show him. He's like, I'm still a lot stronger than you. Probably shouldn't have showed you up that way, but I had to do it. It's like, of course. And that's such a dude thing to do. Absolutely. And the fight that they have is hilarious. It's, yeah, it worked.

It genuinely speaks to the fact that, and I find it kind of hilarious, like, other than advancing the story that we're learning about, it speaks to the fact that there are things that both men and women are both, they can be good at. Some you have to work a little bit harder, some you don't. So the fact that Bruce is like, I've had to do all of this work to get my emotions and check and figure out this balance and make sure I don't ever just lose it, blah, blah, blah. And she's like, oh, all right, cool.

And she handles it. And then she's got to figure out how to make, like, her strength work a little bit better to her advantage. But he's like, I just don't know what it. Like, you're showing how they're both valued in their own ways. And they can both reach each other's levels to a certain point. It's just really, really well done. And doing it comedically. And doing it.

And like, everyone was complaining like, oh, it's going to be another comedy. I'm like, no, no, it is a comedy. It is not another comedy. It is a legit comedy. That is the tone of the show. That's the difference with Thor. Yes. This is made to be a comedy.

Dora's had so many different iterations so far. And the first two was not really a comedy, even those comedic moments with Ket and all that. But in Infinity War, still think that that's the best version of Thor that we've seen so far. Ingame Infinity War, my Thor. Ragnarok. Certainly had a balance of comedy.

Absolutely. If not, some people will say it's even more so than the previous ones, which I get. But this right out of the gate is a comedy. It is supposed to be comedy. It's supposed to be comedy. It's supposed to be out of McBeill. And Tatian,

Ms. Lani is so masterful in this role. But I will say this. My least favorite part of the whole show was the very end where... In the courtroom? The courtroom. Where she like Kool-Aid man's in? It's the look of the... Who is it?

Jamila Jamil. Titania. Yeah. It's funny because... You know what it looked like? What are the chances that a lead is cast with a similar name to the villain that is cast Tatiana and Titania? And what are the chances they cast an actress who sounds like a superhero, Jamila,

Jamil. Like it is so confusing. Titania, Tatania. And all that, though, but what got me about it was that it looked like it was almost like a scene out of the boys. Like where she pops and she doesn't, she didn't fit. Like the same way that I say that in Boba Fett, on Tatooine, the Power Ranger bikers show up, right? It just seemed like, it seemed like out of place stuff. And I was like that even though the comedic tone was still the same,

that particular person seemed like, well, who is that? But I will say, I haven't seen the rest of the series. And I do wonder how that it gets incorporated. Probably. But it just seemed a little out of place. But it was such a nitpicky thing. Yeah, overall, like this is an A-minus for me. That is a-

Why it didn't bother me, I think, is because since we've already established that she's a little like, she-hulk and the way this is going to go is out of the ordinary, her whole situation out of the order for her to just pop through the wall like that. Oh, I didn't mind that. I didn't mind that. I didn't mind the look of it. The look, having someone pop through the wall and fight, fine. I'm talking about the tone of it just seemed off.

It seemed like something out of the boys more so than it did the Sheehulk tone that was set up. But like, and who this person was. It's like, did this person, what do they call it? What's the thing that they put in the boys? Oh, V, Compound V? It's like almost like this person had Compound V and popped through the wall. Who is that person? Why is that person a superhero?

Why is Shehulk fighting this person out of nowhere? And that's like, and that's what it starts to set up. More and more. I get that. And I'm curious with, you know, you obviously have more knowledge having seen episode two. It made sense to me that it was kind of like, okay, really had like two seconds for this because we had to spend the rest of the episode explaining what's going on. And apparently the origin stuff was in a later episode and they moved it. So I apparently like episode eight had the origin and instead they front loaded it to make it more general.

And I think it's impressive. They were able to do it and it feel as natural as it did because I was like, this is how you start to show. I'm glad they caught it because they even gave a nod to them. themselves for catching it. Okay. Yes, I'm a Hulk. Let me tell you why. So you're invested in this lawyer show. So you're not thinking about it the whole time. Well, yeah. That might have been every test audience is because you also pass the torch with Hulk. And you say, all right, you wanted to see Hulk. You saw him, but know that this isn't a Hulk show. This is a She Hulk show. But you get a lot of them. And what I love is you now want more Hulk and Shee Hulk. Yes, but you also get answers to questions in a

short period of time. Like, what the hell happened with his hand? Yeah, how do you fix your arm? Here's some dialogue. And how do you get past that? Yep. What were you doing during the blip? Here's my lab. All of it. And I was like, and the way that they played, and the reminiscent when he would talk about Tony and how that played, like, it was amazing.

That was the big thing for me, I think, because a lot of people have really pointed to now that people were like, what's the big connection in phase four? I don't, like, yeah, yeah, origins for new people, but what is the big connection? And we once again get at the core of it, that grief is the center of phase four. We've dealt with the blip. How do you deal

and Thanos and the loss of Tony? How do you deal with all that grief to see Bruce be like, dude, like me and Tony were doing this thing. He was here with the bar to see like the initials that you see how much this has been affecting him too. I thought that that was just so great. But my favorite moment by far is the fact that she has an entire theory about how Captain America is a virgin. And in the post credit. See, Captain America. One of my, I will tease this without a spoiler. One of my favorite jokes in the entire emcee.

Like the whole thing is in episode two. There is a joke in the middle of episode two that I think is 15 years in the making that I'm so happy. Can you remind me ish without spoiling it? It involves a Hulk reference while he's on the phone. I know what you're talking about. I can make a guess. It is genius. It is so perfect.

It is an A plus joke. It's genius. And I literally went, and it changed everything. Was it a full writer's room or one individual took this on? Do you know? I think mostly it is, oh my gosh, give me, Jessica. Oh, shoot, give me the writer's name. Jessica Gao, is that, right?

Yes, is it. That's not the director. The director is Quaro. Cat Quiro. Okay, okay, Quarred. Because I didn't realize I was at the premiere and her husband is Billy Walsh. from entourage who's in it. So they were like together and I was like,

he directed Medell Ian. So it was like funny for me that the director of She-Hulk was with the director in my head of Medi and I was like, ah, the director of trouble. Right? Jessica Gow, I think so. Yes, Jessica Gow. She's very, very talented. She does the majority of the writing on.

I think there's obviously other writers. There's some sort of, like Dana Shorts is one of the sporting writers. There's some like writer's room. What they've been doing, which I thought was pretty interesting but smart with these MCU shows. They've been Do you see MCU? But did it slip But with the MCU show

Wilson's a big alt-right guy Winston It's lovable It's your whole Your alter ego is just very Just like You fucking slip like it's just Okay so

Get to you chill Talk about how much you love Marvel Winston Oh god This guy right here No, no, right, right there. Anyway, it's been exactly that. They bring somebody, they bring on a duo.

They bring on a director. They bring on a writer. You might have a small writer's room to maybe propel the main writer, but it's really just that person. So I'm glad to see that they've continued to do that so that you are getting that continuity for your six, your eight, your nine episodes, whatever is they've been giving. I think it's been working.

And the flow of this, I really liked how it moved. And I will say, that like the lawyer aspects of it, I'm really excited to go forward. Like I didn't realize how much I wanted a fun procedural MCU show. I thought it sounded like a novel idea.

I thought it sounded like, oh, that's unique. And I was more excited by the novelty, but now that I've seen some of it, I'm like, oh, I want a lawyer show. And that's so special. I was getting tired of the, the overpowering comedy in Marvel.

I was getting tired of it. And I was, I said, I don't know. I was like, can we get back? And I said it. I want to see more, I want to see rage Hulk again. I know, but I want to see that. And I wanted to see rage Hulk again.

I wanted to see. see that version. You see him for a second and kind of gets real pissed off. But I didn't, but I wasn't upset that he, that he was still, as they say, in this, Smart Hulk. Yeah. He's like, that's pretty pretentious. What he said? Smug. Smug. Smug. Smug. Not my name for it. Right, right. But that whole thing. And the way that he played and the way that Mark Ruffalo and her and Tata's chemistry is just really wonderful. If I have to make, I mean, you guys might already know this, but if I have to make a prediction as to what's going to happen by the time this season is over, I think because it's teased with her using the whole hand clapping thing,

it's going to probably be a situation where somehow Bruce loses it and she's going to have to fight him. And she's obviously going to be at a disadvantage because he's stronger, but she'll come up with her own kind of creative way to, like, stop it. And I'm curious what spurs it on, but even bringing up Sikar again, that has tipped me. See, my thing is I think, you know, we have to differentiate these two characters.

So I see something long game happening where we do have angry. Well, what about the fact that when I'm talking about the way they get into that car accident the first place is that spaceship just kind of. I'm like, well, I'm like, what is going on? Yeah, like, what is happening? And the fact that that whole, and because that was where I said, all right, you know why I like this show already? It's because you can have the car crash, they treat very serious.

Yeah. And it's not like a goofy thing. Like, I hate to keep using the reference of Thor. but like the difference in that movie like when lady siff was not one of the things i hated the most was she's like dying and he doesn't he doesn't even care and he's cracking jokes it'd be like if they made a joke in the car crash it'd be like if they woke up and that was a joke and and then she transformed right i liked after after it's settled and after that serious moment she's running off into the woods and he's and he's trying to figure it up that whole beat stayed dramatic it stayed dramatic and it only turned comedic and the first joke back was the other women

going like, oh my God, and even that was dramatically came to get into a blend. That was so funny. Handing her phones, doing her makeup. So Kristen hasn't, I kept telling her, I was like, if there's, like, she's been doing the MC watcher. She's been very slow. But I was like, if there's ever a show for you to watch, I was like, I think you're really going to love Miss Marvel, but everything I've seen

so far was She Hulk, I think it's going to be right up your alley. She was getting ready for work this morning, and all she saw was the ladies running, and she just started cracking up, she was like, that's exactly how it is. Some girls crying in the bathroom where it looks to Shevv, but all of a girl, what you mean, blah, blah, Yeah, I was like that's, I mean, that's really good.

And that's a good way to elevate out of drama into comedy that feels natural. That's a good way to make it feel real while still being very funny. But it's, and it also is a way to stay consistent, it's telling people this is what our show is in episode one. Yeah. And you can say it's a Marvel show. It is absolutely a Marvel show, but it's also, it's a procedural comedy lawyer show. Yeah. And it's dealing with this woman's issues in life in her early 30s of what she's going to be doing and how she's going to be approaching it

and how she's approaching her life in general and decisions she needs to make. and now she has this thing where she's got to figure out to be a she-hulk. And I also love the idea that they don't have to hammer it down and saying, oh, she's so, it's like she's got to figure out how to be a superhero now. And it's like, yeah, she's got to balance it. But it's not the constant like, oh, now I'm super strong. I like the idea that it's a little more natural to her because then you'd have to play into that every single time. We get to have a new story as opposed to like, up the struggle of an origin,

up, I'm oppressed by this new powers. With 13 years into this thing. We want to feel this. Yes. It's also the fact that you're not getting a lot of stories of people being like, I don't want to be a superhero. Right. You get it every now and again, but it's never, like, it's cool to see that, like,

no, no, no, you, like her even bring up, do you know how many loans I don't pay back? Do you know I was two seconds away from getting that partner promotion? Kiss my ass. I'm not doing this. Yep. And then realizing she doesn't have a choice. That with great power comes great responsibility in even the courtroom.

Like, I love that that happened at her. her. So it feels, I don't know, man, I really dug it. Like, this is, if this sticks the landing, and that's always my thing with Marvel, if the last episode is as good as the first act, this will be in that top three, four spot. I will say this, and this is in a spoiler. This isn't a spoiler. This is just my opinion of the first, out of the first four, loved the first two. Mm-hmm. Really like the second two. Um, I liked two more than one. So, I could, I could see one, just because of the everything that they, the way they were switched up and brought the Hulk in and established what the show was.

I thought it was so well done. But I'm not going to argue with anyone that says two is three and four to me, even though I really liked it, starts to get into a little bit more goofier. Starts to get a little more sillier at times and really plays into the comedy. And I was like, just a little, just a little. And going back to moments like the car crashed or other things, I want to see, like, how they handled that overall balance? I don't know one and two balanced it very well.

I thought three and four starts to go a little more in a comedy, but maybe now because there's so many. You think about an act structure, right? The second act, so what I'm saying is hopefully the show is using that nine episodes to allow for that and then to get more dramatic. Absolutely. Absolutely they can do that. I just, what I've seen so. Yeah, what I've seen so far is just like, because there's a couple times really, I'm like, well, that was really silly.

And not the stuff that's going on that calls for silliness. There's stuff like in her dating life that calls for silly. We see in the trailer where she picks the dude up. It's hilarious. And it works inside it. It's stuff when it starts to play into, well, that could have been dramatic. And there's, I'll just say this. There's a drunk person that shows up that feels way out of place.

And it feels so goofy at times. And I'm like, at that point, I'm like, this now just feel, this feels like a Tyca movie, this part. It didn't go as far as that for me, but I do understand. You're going with it? Oh, I get your concern. Yeah. But my thing is with the act structure, I'm hoping it's just a matter of like, hey, trust us. Let's have some levity.

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Where is it? Yeah. D-23. D-23 Expo. It's coming up on September 9th. ninth, 10th and 11th, they say. Two weeks. It is two weeks, which is insane. The

ninth and the 10th are really where it's going to happen because I think the 11th is more so just for the expo itself. I think the floor. Kind of like Comic-Con Sundays. Like there's panels, but people are navigating their life. Now, it's a smaller, I mean, obviously, compared to like celebration in Comic-Con, it's

a small, the panels and stuff that are happening, they might still have other things in the other room, but the big major panels, there's like two of them. Yeah. And the two of the one on Friday is like the Disney animation and all these usually, they usually always start with Disney animation. And then the next day is usually all the feature films.

Now, the way it's set up, or at least the way it's described, and I'll bring up my email to make sure that it's accurate. It seems as if the animation is going to be on Friday, and then it's just Marvel and Lucasfilm the next day. So it doesn't like because a lot of times they did I remember seeing a lot of different A lot of different Movies that they had I remember they had this movie

The finest hours at one point they showed all the Disney movies They showed a lot of them like the Buena Vista stuff Because they have a lot of things now inside of there After Fox and all of that So I don't know What the hell is going on? I can't sign into my email now Because of course I want to I can't It makes a lot of sense

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You had celebration beginning of summer Comic-Con just wrapped up like last month So I mean celebration covered a lot of Star Wars Yeah yeah well it feels like And I think that that's totally makes sense Is it feels like the way Steve Jobs would like announce there's the You know the new MacBook

There's the September than the summer. And as he's walking off the stage, you would turn around and go, oh, and one more thing. Yeah. And that's what this feels like. Yeah, I was wrong.

We're going to get, oh, one more thing. So here's what the panels will be. So I was, we are going to do Disney Live Action, but it's 330 on Friday, September 9th. Guests will be treated to new, so it is Disney Live Action,

Pixar Animation, and Walt Disney Animation. So it's a combination of both, now both Marvel and Lucasfilm has gotten so big they have their own panel now, but it used to be everything in one shot. So it's Walt Disney Studios live action, Pixar Animation Studios and Walt Disney Animation Studios. Guests will be treated to new details,

first look, sneak peek, surprises, and announcements regarding upcoming theatrical and Disney Plus titles from Disney Live Action, Pixar Animation Studios, and Walt Disney Animation Studios studio heads, filmmakers, and cast members will come together on stage with the inside scoop on some of those studios most exciting titles. So that 330, I'm guessing that's going to be around an hour and a half.

I bet you're out of there by 5 o'clock if I was to guess. So then September 10th, Saturday, September 10 a.m. is the Walt Disney Studios and Lucasfilm and Marvel Studios presentation. So filmmakers, celebrity talent, a surprise guest will join representatives from Marvel Studios and Lucasfilm, among others, on stage in Hall 23 to showcase theatrical and Disney Plus titles. Going behind the scenes in those studios, highly interested in films, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Okay. So starting with the actual, I don't want to start to, we don't have to get into date. depth on the Friday panel because this is capes and cows and we don't have to guess about

animation. What I will say is this. What I am looking forward to in that panel is, I remember when I went, I can't remember where year it was. I think it was 2011, maybe, 2011 or maybe even 2012, because I think I told you guys this, Frozen was coming out. Yeah. And they said, and I can't remember who announced it, but he said, okay, this is very special. We believe this song is going to be pretty big. So this is the first time anyone's ever hearing it live. Dina Mansell, come on out. She's saying, let it go.

And I remember going, oh, my God, this song is going to be. But at the time, 2012 or whatever was, crappy phones, can't do anything. Oh, right. As opposed to where everyone's all up. I recorded John Williams doing the Obi-Wan theme and put it up on the channel and like 300,000 people watch it. Yeah. It's like the same thing.

If I'm there, I'm going to record. I want to hear people singing. I want to know who's going to be the next to the, I remember, Dwayne Johnson, came out when Moana was coming out and this whole performance, like stuff like that. You're going to get something big. Those animation panels, when they come out on Fridays, they go hard. Yeah. So it's going to be a lot of fun.

But the same way that Marvel usually dominates the Hall H panel, it's going to be Marvel City. Lucasfilm's going to come out. They're probably talking about Acolyte, hopefully. Maybe get some news on Lando. I don't know. Will Andor be out by then? Ender will be out already by then. Oh, no, they won't.

It won't be out yet. It's about to be out. I hope they announced the new company that's taking over the nights of the old Republic projects because you know that, you know that shit fell out. Yeah, I know. They're not going to do that. They're not going to do that. That game's not, it's like four to five years away.

They're not going to, remember, if that panel is, let's say maybe it's an hour and a half, maybe two hours. Yeah. Unlikely. They're not going to waste their time on a game that's coming out in four or five years. No, no, I get it. I just, I'm still pissed because they were, they already did a port of, the second one, which is okay

compared to the first. Well, in that bio-aware. Well, no, no, I know exactly. But they didn't finish the port, so it's glitched. And now that the company is just defunct, they'll never fix it. And now the new game. You remember when you watch Batman Beyond and they use a lot of words that sound like words? This is that for me. And they port and there's bio-aware

and then they're defunct. I know the word defunct. Yeah, now you know how I feel every time you talk. I got your moment. This is what it's like. This is what it's like. What are a comic book. But, but to go into that panel, just, and we'll get into the Marvel stuff because that's going to be the, Marvel's going to be the juice of it.

I think you start with Lucasfilm. And I think with Lucasfilm, like they're going to, I think there's too many leaks in conversations now about the Acolyte and there was nothing at celebration. Interesting. I think the Akelyte talks, I think they show Asoka,

the trailer again, right? They actually really released this time the Mandalorian trailer to the public. So it would be Manelorian, Asoka, Acolyte, maybe you get some news on the film if it's coming out, if Tyca is doing it from 30, 40 minutes? Yeah, maybe 30 minutes. Maybe, yeah, but if it's 40, it wouldn't be surprised.

But that's really it, right? Maybe you get, or maybe they talk John Watts on Skeleton crew. Could. Maybe. But it's all about Marvel, really. The other thing with Lucasfilm, you're going to get the Indiana Jones trailer, I think. I think you're going to get a teaser with Indiana Jones. I think they need to.

Because they did everything they could for a spectacle at Comic Con without it. And at celebration, they gave us everything short of a trailer. But you got a song. Yeah, you got a song? But they gave us like, that's the line. Now it's time for a trip. They were talking about Indiana Jones at celebration, which made no sense why they were talking about Indiana Jones at celebration.

The same thing with Willow. Oh, well, they're probably going to give you Willow too. And I don't, I hate to say it like, I love you're like, I am we ought to sit through a four-minute will. I'm actually very excited about Willow, but I don't want to see it again. I don't want them to spend any time on it. There's so many other things they can spend time on, and I get it, they're trying to promote it.

Yeah. Shut up, stupid. We need to promote it. But if there was anywhere for a D-23, Christian. If there was anywhere to promote it, though, it's at D-23. It's not a Star Wars celebration. It was weird, but it was a celebration. They took up so much time at that.

And I'm excited for Willow, too, but it felt like why? That's not in the Star Wars universe. So they'll spend time on it there. I think that Lucas film, I hate to say it, but I think that their panel is going to be like, okay, let's get to Marvel, because Marvel has so many announcements they're going to make. So I'm going to start with you on this one, Coy, what do you think we're going to see at D23? For sure. I want to hear the predictions.

This is, this is, so by the official predictions of what we're getting in general from D23 Marvel. Coy, what say you? I think phase five is going to have a couple surprises in it where they're going to show the big board. They're going to be like, and by the way, we didn't forget about blah. And they're going to throw in armor wars. And I think there's going to be at least one or two things we don't know about, like added to the slate. So I think we're going to see the slate and it's digital. So they're just going to go squeak and they're going to add stuff like they did with that joke with Serpent Squad with Captain America.

We're going to see some retooling. And then I think we're going to fill out phase six. I think we're going to see the X-Men announced. I think we're going to get one or two solo X-Men movies followed by a big X-Men event. I think we might get something in the way of like a, because she Hulk is going to be five weeks out by then, four, maybe they'll announce something as like, you know,

and you're loving Tatiata Maslani, she's in this Avengers, or we get a Hulk thing. I think they're going to use the momentum of Hulk in some way. And I do think we're going to get an announcement with Guardians getting, an officially released trailer, like, to the public, and I could see them doing an onstage thing with Kang. Like, I could see Kang being utilized

because they're going to need to set him up, and I think they announce who Dr. Doom is. What do you think, Winston? I think we get X-Men, and I think, I'm going to be very specific, I think that we get Juan Carlo Esposito or Taryn Edison. Confirmed.

One of the two of them, if not both. Right. And whatever role they're playing. Taryn Edgerton's Xavier, Gene Carlo's Wolverine. I mean, look, man, I would love to see Juan Carlos and see to run around, just like, ah! Letting Gus Fring actually kill somebody. But, you know, I think we're going to get both of those.

I think you'll get another thing with Wakanda Forever. Oh, yeah. I think that there's no way they don't mean further. Too close to that. It's what, six weeks out from the movie release? That's good call. I think that they dig in even deeper with that. Maybe trailer two.

I mean, it'd be a little early for a trailer too, but not so early. Yeah, no. It's not really. It's only two months out. Yeah, but usually a trailer two is like, what, three weeks? It's like right before. But I can see something. If maybe it's they play the trailer and maybe it's like an extended cut.

So then right at the end all of a sudden, there's one more scene that pops up. And you're like, whoa! Like, I can see something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Other than that, I think Coy's kind of hit the nail on the head. I think we probably, I think we not only maybe get X-Men, I think we might get a trailer for X-Men 97.

That'd be cool. That might be on Friday. Animation panel. But that's Marvel. So wouldn't it still stick to Saturday? I did Marvel animation separate at Comic-Con, though. Remember the Spider-Man thing came out separate? But I think Winston's right.

I think that Friday is specific on. Disney animation, Pixar, and Disney Live Action. So I think that if there's anything Marvel related, especially if it plays into it all, it'll be probably, whoops, what happened there? I haven't shut the show off. But what happened? We're still here.

We're still here. But so it's what I think. But no, I think that what they'll do is whether it's Spider-Man, what's it called? Freshman year. Freshman year. Look at this. Look at the dude.

Why you look so sad, bro? Because he's trying to get in. I've never seen him that still. I've never seen it still like that. He's like, you really not go open this door for me? No. Sass. I'll tell you, when I saw, I saw Beast with, um, with Idriselba last night.

Oh, how was that? It's not right. It's all right. I love him, but I love him. But when I, but I came back and I'm, I'm looking at, I'm looking at the, the dog. And I was like, tossing this little dog around like he's a lion. I'm like, come on, I'll bite you. Dog's like, I'm trying to snort.

But anyway, um, but yeah, I, I think that the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, remember remember there were some dates that were announced we had no projects for. That's what I think you fill out. So that's part of it. And I think what Koi said makes sense is you not only fill those dates, but they go, oh, what the one more thing. Boop, this is going to go in here. We get jobs.

Exactly. Because there's too much stuff that we have already sort of been told about. Yeah. I just think maybe they weren't fully ready to present yet, slash they wanted to make sure they had something for this weekend. I also think that X-Men, you say that for your home field advantage. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Like you want that on your cons. It's got to be the last, it's got to be the last big announcement, though, that they make. So I think, I don't know if they're going to, it really depends on how much time they have, right? Because I don't know if they're going to necessarily announce Doom. There's two sides of it. There's side one that if they want to announce who the actor is, then when that actor shows up in the post credits maybe for, then it's like, oh, yeah, they announced them and there he is. Then there's the other side of it that goes, don't announce him. Oh my God, it's...

It's so-and-all. I actually saw this comment in the comments section. I can't remember what it was last week. Never even thought about it and think it's an amazing suggestion. Anthony Starr as Dr. Doom, who's... Oh, that's fun. No, no, I know what you're talking about. I'm trying to think about that.

Homelander, he'd be able to do it. He's so intense. He's pretty. He is. I mean, he's phenomenal. I don't know why I don't feel right about it. Yeah. That's great.

Yeah. Yeah, I don't know what I mean? Like, it's close. I understand. You're thinking about it as Holand, or they're not as Banschey. It's, it's, I think the problem is, I don't hear his voice is lower, but obviously it's a comic book. That's part of it.

You could also change it. Doom is vain, but in a very different way than the way Andy. Yeah, but he's not going to play Holand. No, no, I know he's, I know he's not. There's a, there's a certain level of, like, rage that Anthony, like, does so well. I almost would want him in a different role, if that makes sense. Well, that's them saying. Don't stereotype him from Homelander.

He's a really, really talented dude that by playing and look, I think he could. I don't think he's going to cast. I think that the casting is probably Dracula or something in Blade, which I hope isn't the case. I'd rather see him take a major role. Yeah, I'd rather come live in the MCU a bit. I think he's a major star, man. Yeah, I agree. I agree.

And whether he's just like kind of this throwaway villain for one. And I know, it's the biggest, it's the biggest vampire of all time. I know. but how long is he going to be around for us? Maybe he doesn't want to be tied in tomorrow. Maybe he doesn't want to play Dr. Doom not long. Sure. Maybe that's...

I mean, I could see Doom being like a seven or eight year commitment. Yeah. That could be a thing. It would be a thing. So maybe he doesn't want to do that. So I understand. I like the idea, though. I'm thinking about it.

But let's anyway, it goes back to the fact that if they do the casting, if they actually, if... Winston's casting off his shirt right now. Honestly, honestly, we need, we need, we need, uh, we needed Eddie Brock. I actually would love Anthony Starr's Vener. Oh, I like that a lot. He would kill that. We're not going to get him anytime soon.

No, no, I know. No, you're saying in general. But I'm talking about at the actual, at actual Comic-Con, a Comic-Con, D-23, what I think is going to happen, I think X-Men will probably be one way. If it is casting, I think that if Taryn Agerton was indeed cast as Wolverine,

you get it there because it's just been so much of a- I still hope it's a show first. Johnny Storm would be a-hap-how. Johnny, what do we think of him as Johnny Storm? Oh, that could be interesting. I like it. I've always seen Johnny Storm was a little more goth.

But I like it. It's not like he can't be. I mean, Johnny Storm wasn't, I was thinking about. Johnny Blaze this whole time. My brain is picturing ghostrider. You know, goth, you've been torched. I literally, when you said that,

Saul just like Johnny, some coming in, God, I don't want to fight him. Guys, Spider-Man freeze Johnny Storm. Everyone, stop, Sue. Flame on, I guess. Sue, stop. Stop. All of a sudden, he's singing Lincoln Park as he goes to Fight Carve.

I become so God. And he's looking, he's like, yeah, da, do I stretch on. Noted goth, Johnny Storm. No. Guys, I read comics. You do. Anyway, it would be interesting, but I think X-Men, for sure, more TV shows. I think you're right, though, Corey.

I think phase six is going to be filled out. I think that they have a full-fledged plan going into it, so I think we start to get those fillouts. The other thing that's interesting is, and that's why I have to believe that if, I think Doom is a good call, but I still think Sue might show up in Wakanda. Rumors of thing too.

But I see, I think Thing may be here in She-Holt, before She-Hulk's over, I think. I think you have to let the Fantastic Four be known before you get to Phase 6 because you're waiting so long and introduce them. I think that's also why then the X-Men have to be what ends up happening with Phase 5, And you've already tipped your hat that that's the direction you're moving by teasing the old Professor X,

by calling Ms. Marvel a mutant. Sure. I think you're already letting us know that's what, and bringing in Namor. Right. Who's also a mutant. You're tipping your hat. This is where we're going right now, which will eventually get us to the first family in that moment. And now we've got all our pieces and here we go.

Right. That's what the vibe that's coming. And they've got to do a lot between now and Secret War, so I do so I see them adding to phase five and six at D23. Isn't Kevin Feigy like a mess? massive Fantastic Four fans. Huge. He is, right? Yeah.

Like, so he's going to care. He's going to invest in that team alone. Which is interesting. I don't really give a shit about the Fantastic Four person. When they're good, they're great. When they're not, they're awful. There's no middle ground. And that's part of it, I think.

I think the only character that I really cared about was Johnny Storm. And it's because I'm a kid. He's the youngest one on the group. He's cool. He's the cool one. He's the cool one. He's listening to The Cure. No, no, you're loving this shit right here.

Big Crow album fan. Oh, speaking of the Cure, by the way, we can transition off a D23. And I know that's Limbiscuit. Yeah. But have you guys been watching the Sam Man? I had to start the X. I want to watch.

It's awesome. Yeah, no, I want to watch it. More people need to talk. Because my problem is I can't watch it casually and I haven't had time to watch something. Yeah. Because I want to watch Sandman. So I'm four episodes in, and it's one of those,

every time I try to get, like, I'm like, last night, like I said, I just went and saw a beast. And I'm like, okay, come back and watch the same man. You don't want to half watch it. Well, I didn't want to have watch that. I had other work I had to do it. Thumbails and crap and I had to make it. And I'm like, I want to invest in it.

And what I've seen so far, I really, really like. And I think that it's, but it's, and I asked people on Twitter, I posted it. I said, why aren't more people talking about this? And the best answer, the answer I kept seeing more and more of was the same problem. Because Netflix dumped it all in at one time and we're in a place where it's Shehulk and Lord of the Rings. All these things are coming out. And it's going to be week by week conversation. one show with 10 to 12 episodes

It gets got very quick They have to be really careful right now Because you know Obviously they lost all those subscribers Previously and whatnot If Netflix isn't careful Because everybody is bringing out their heavy hitters now They're really going to find themselves

In some serious trouble Because you're about to lose stranger things What? Next 24 Cobra Coy comes out in September But it's all dumped in one shot It's the same thing In fact.

We have two days, 40 hours of talk But a lot of your franchises are coming to a rat. Like, Coburkeye, what, this is the last season. No, no, it's the season. They haven't really said yet, but this is season five. Okay. So, The Stranger Things only has one more 2024. I hear you. The one more there.

Let's make an assumption here with Kobri Kai. I wanted to go on as long as it makes logical sense, but let's make an assumption of Ozark just ended. One to three seasons. Ozark just ended. They're losing some of their comedy exclusivity. And so when you put all of that into the fact that they do not remain the relevant

part of the conversation that it's, that it's HBO because here's House of the Dragon. It's Disney because here's Shehold. Amazon Lord of the Rings. You're about to get written out of this equation. They've got to change. They've got to change their strategy. And they've got to, I know that some people love it still,

but they've got to get rid of the dump in one day. Because you've got to be part of the water cooler conversation. It is so crucial. It's the difference. And I used to love, I love dumping it all at one point. I get to watch it right away. But after watch, like, after all the stuff that's coming out, now that the streaming wars have begun,

it's you have these conversations, where you're talking every week about a show. And it's like, oh, like I said, same man. It all came out. It came out one day, and I heard a couple chatter about it. I'm like, oh, I still got to see that. Had I not remembered the chatter about it, no one's talking about it. And my issue is I want to watch it in a contained environment at dark.

Like, I want to watch it, right. But now that no one's talking about it, I feel behind and that's dumb. It came out a week and a half ago. I shouldn't feel like, oh, I missed my window. It's old news. It's so dumb. Because the other way you could do it, because there's so many people that instantly get, they push back. They love binging.

And they're like, no, screw you, stop turn it. Wait. There's two ways that that could happen. One, you wait for the five weeks to be over and then just watch it all at once. Or B, they could even release it. It seemed like they were teasing it with Stranger Things, but I think the better move would have been drop like three, drop like another three, drop your major finale.

If you do it that way, at least you've given yourself almost a month of time where you get the bingers happy and you let people like savor this. I like the three episode drop that they do sometimes with the end. for the shows for sure. But I think like, I haven't found myself getting invested in shows that I wonder if I would have been

as invested if they were all like one dump. Like the offer and the old man. Like I started waiting like, oh, tonight's tonight. Also the excitement of the night of the night dropping. Like, so last night I was going to start Sandman

and then my great grandmother passed away and I was very nostalgic. So I wanted to go see something that remind me of her and my grandparents. So her like the next generation are big Elvis fans. Hadn't seen Elvis yet. Finally saw Elvis.

I was intended to talk to you about it. I saw Elvis. And I saw Elvis. I felt so silly being like, wait, this came out like three weeks ago. And I feel like I'm removed from the conversation because of three weeks. That's what's dangerous about the binge thing is that a movie shouldn't be irrelevant in three weeks. Like it shouldn't. And a show, like, Sandman shouldn't be irrelevant in a week.

And now because I saw Elvis instead of Sandman, I'm like, oh, I've failed my media credential. Like, that's silly. What's so funny. Elvis is spectacular. It's great. And so the thing is that when you see these platforms that come up with a strategy and Netflix was known for the, they're dumping it and you could binge it all right but things change you got to evolve strategies change and i think that what you were saying like winston is that if now what they

have been doing well and what they'll continue to do is they make these movies and i still think that um gray man was was a pretty good movie i don't know why everybody hated that movie i enjoyed that movie but when watching a movie like beast last night now beast is a movie like if you go if you're like i want it i want to take my lady out to a movie tonight I don't have anything to watch. Should we go, see Beast? Sure. Why not? But if it's like, oh, I got to go,

is this a movie I have to see in the theater? No? You could see this movie. Like, there's, the streaming, the movie world has changed dramatically, and not just because of the pandemic. Not just because of that, but because of streaming. Because you could see a movie in a capacity, like this is a, this is like an hour and 30 minutes,

and it's, it's more, it's trying to be the gray, which it doesn't accomplish, and it's more like Jaws 4 by the end of it. But either way, it's like, okay, I'm just going to shove popcorn in my head and watch this lion movie. But you can watch these movies on streaming now, and Netflix is doing that well. They're making quality movies. I don't know if that's their only play. It's their, I mean, if we're being honest about it, their big play is that we don't talk about

enough. They've actually kind of cornered reality TV. They have dominated that. So you're talking about love is blind. You're talking about the circle. It's called Dick Boy Island or whatever. That's HBO Fuck Boy Island But that's what

Dick boy You know it's Chick boy island But like what like Indian matchmaker Is fuck boy any better Just picturing a giant cockshake island

Like a dick boy island Is our mascot The best The best part is they have to reveal They have to reveal if they're a nice guy Or an F boy So I'm just imagining It's a giant dick

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But that's the one thing I will give them credit for. Documentaries and reality TV, they have cornered that market right now. And they're getting a lot of buzz from that. But what they still have to be careful about, I know that's significantly cheaper to produce than some of these. $7. You are still losing subscribers. And you're losing the credibility that Netflix is. You're losing water cooler conversation.

Yeah. That's where you lose. Because I don't talk about reality TV. Water cooler conversation is so important. It is so important. And I remember, and I'm back on when we were talking about on Clare Live, and I said, out, give it all me once. And I'm like, I don't want to do the week by week.

That's the day, that's the way of the dinosaur. You've seen the light. Yeah. Things change. And that's not that people don't talk about reality TV. It's just a different type of conversation. Yeah. There are pockets, and I know.

Look at a Bachelor. Yeah. Bachelor's week to week, and it's still, it's been on for years. Huge. That show will be on when our grandkids are dead. Yeah. That'll show we on forever. And I just don't want to insult that audience because that is an audience.

I just think it's a different audience than this conversation. Yeah. And that's so good. I worked on the show. But either way. So there's a lot, and I'll tell you what they use a lot on the, on the bachelor. They're used in join mode. They should.

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are seeking treatment for complex mental health issues. Now, this kind of carries off from where we were last week on this show. We had a big conversation about it. And the conversation pretty much was, all right, here are the three options that were presented by Warner Brothers. Option one. Ezra goes out, apologizes, does press release the movie go. Option two.

Aser doesn't say anything. They do limited press on the movie. they put it out, they recast. Option three, they don't do anything with the movie. They just let it sit, and then our option four was just recast and spend more money on it. So they went with Option 1, obviously, and so did Esther Miller, because after Miller apologized, said, I'm sorry, treating, getting treated. And I've talked about this kind of at depth on a couple of different shows. So I'm very curious where you guys go.

My overall thoughts was, when somebody needs help, it doesn't matter how they're going to get it, as long as they get it. good step now clearly was pushed into it because it was okay hey we need this movie to come out get your stuff together getting help no matter what but it's still what's the intent behind it

where do you feel on all this quick the ramifications of him getting of them getting help is more important to me than the apology like I he's an act they're an actor I will believe the words out of their mouth because that is their profession. So I won't necessarily believe the apology,

but if I see the consequence of getting help, that's more important to me. I want them to be happy. I want them to be secure. I want them to be healthy. I want them to be wherever they need to find their chi, their balance, their zen. Like, I want that for them as a human-to-human connection.

That doesn't mean I'm necessarily going to believe the bits of publicity that come out between now and then. I don't think there's a part of me that's going to go like, oh, this curated statement feels like a thing until I want them to just come out and feel more adjusted. And that's more just like the human to human thing than even the movie. So if they seem to find what they need, that means more to me than someone telling me that I'm sorry. Yeah.

Yeah, absolutely. What do you think was? I mean, I'm in the same spot. I don't believe the apology. It definitely feels like this is a corporate play. Because they pretty much told you this is what was going to happen. Two days before they're like, hey, we've got a corporate play. You're doing this.

That's what that felt like to me. And even the statement, it happens through PR. That's what PR is for. There's statements released through PR. It wasn't, you know, Ezra going on camera or whatever or anything through, you know, a social media account or anything, which also obviously can be done with PR. I agree the most important part because I remember being really disgusted with folks that were talking about Ann H. Oh, yeah.

With her passing in that they were like, what a piece of shit like she's out of drunk and blah blah blah and it's like yeah what she did was fucked up and it really affected a bunch of people but this is a human being that lost their life over like we should be as concerned about the BS

that they pulled off as trying to wishing we had gotten help for Ann beforehand to help with the stuff that she was going through that led her to that point I feel the same way about Ezra right so that that's kind of my point is that at least they're getting help regardless of what I happen to agree with you It's like, would Ezra Miller have chose to get help had not Warner Brothers been knocking down the door and basically had his mom do it?

Plus, the other thing, as I said on other shows that I will reiterate here, that doesn't exonerate or that doesn't excuse them at all for any potential crimes that will be charged yes or no. If they're guilty and guilty and need to be punished for those things. Right. Separate conversation as far as from getting help. Getting help is help. Now that all plays into what does this mean for the flash, right? So what it means is what, and it's also very risky for Warner Brothers, too, because they have to ensure that Ezra Miller is going to be the best behavior until like July or whatever the movie comes out.

That's and has, and it seems like every three weeks, Ezra Miller gets in trouble. Yeah. So Ezra Miller is getting help. Great. I still think no matter what, after this movie comes out, you gotta recast. I can't imagine that. You gotta recast.

I feel like that's already decided. I just, one more person getting help is always good. So if that is how it happened, great. And then if the movie doesn't harm anyone by coming out and people get to keep the art that they made, great.

Like, you know, I'm, this is a cast of, you know, 50 and it's thousands of crew. I want them to get their work shown. So for me,

as long as releasing the film doesn't in any way make people feel like, whatever crimes we don't know about or whatnot. Like as long as it doesn't feel like, oh, everything's fine, I want them to get help. That's what matters to me.

No, no, no, absolutely. I think it is a, it is equally as important because I think that's one of the big things, uh, with like A and NAA and all that. It's,

it's as much about trying to move forward as it is making amends. So again, just because you got the help, like you both said, that does not absolve you. It just means that you were at least acknowledging, what's going on and you will pay your consequences for that and then make strides to not be that person

anymore. It's so interesting in the business of movies and arts in general, art, music, movies, film, play. You have to be exposed who you are to do the work correctly. So it's interesting. And like Elvis was beautifully handled that, where how much of you is on that stage, how much the artist and the art are this piece of work. What does that mean when you celebrate the art? What does that mean when you look at the thing itself if the person that made it has these things. And it's, you know, like I was a big Marilyn Manson fan growing up and like hearing all these things more and more about what kind of person that is. It's really interesting and alarming to celebrate any of this art when it also isn't just that one person, but it's largely that person. And it's also a matter

of like how we, the show business, the business side is, is terrifying because in a lot of ways people have to be taken advantage of in order for these companies to make money. So it's also that scares me. It's all just, I mean, these are conversations that have been had for 100 years, but this is a show about conversations about the arts, and it's, and it's interesting to look at a new version of it where we are so connected. We are always a second away from hearing a new story, and we are so connected to individuals, and we're going to see a lot of shifts as things get more and more, um, connected. I, to bring it back to capes and cows in that regard, it's one of the things that I appreciate the most about characters like the Hulk, for example,

where it's like I wasn't in my right mind. I would like, but I still did this. So it's a matter of I've got to do better in the future and figure out how to not Hulk out and destroy everything. Yeah, I also need to make amends for the damage I've caused. All right. Great way to end it. I totally agree.

Great way to end. All right. Well, thank you guys so much for joining us here today. I know this is our, I guess, third episode of Keatsh, and it's been a pleasure so far having you with us on the journey and obviously with both Winston and Koi. And so for you... No, no, no, no.

You got it wrong. Wilson. Perfect. I was going to... It's her new band. We need new art. You said it. All right.

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