The Kristian Harloff Show - She-Hulk Episode 2 Spoiler Discussion - Capes + Cowls (Marvel)

Episode Date: August 26, 2022

She-Hulk Episode 2 is out and we discuss what happened on the show and what it means in future stories of the MCU. Planet Hulk? Wolverine? The Batman 2 looking more likely after Matt Reeves signs a new deal with WB. Batgirl is having funeral screenings and some of the actors involved are writing open letters to Zaslav on social media. We talk a little more D23 and what we think will go down and more on this episode of Capes + Cowls! Join Kristian, Coy and Winston in the new studio set up! #Shehulk #Marvel #MCU #wolverine #Batman STORYBLOCKS: http://www.storyblocks.com/BIGTHING TIME CODES: 00:00 Intro, new studio and vibe of the show. 6:30 She Hulk Episode 2 SPOILER discussion 19:55 STORYBLOCKS 21:10 The length of She-Hulk episodes and the tone of the show 25:40 Will this lead to World War Hulk? 31:49 D23 talk, Deadpool, Marvel will be the star attraction of D23 37:20 The difference between Marvel's plan and Lucasfilm's plan 41:00 The Batman 2 looking good as Matt Reeves signs big deal with WB 46:38 Being in the space vs outside perspective. 47:58 Batgirl Funeral screenings 54:40 Aquaman 2 and Shazam pushed back on release dates. 57:10 Batgirl actress writes open letter to Zoloft. WB plan. 1:07:20 Kristian is going out on his own for first time in a while. 1:10:45 OUTRO PODCAST FEED: iTunes https://apple.co/3GvtleV or Spotify https://spoti.fi/33dgsaZ SUPPORT US ON PATREON: https://patreon.com/schmoedown Ask Kristian questions for next time! https://facebook.com/harloff Become a Patreon of the Schmoedown: http://patreon.com/schmoedown OTHER GREAT CONTENT: REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT368qY7sfE0nKE4c04CqGvu TV REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT1LU-t2Z9AD5UJDiWW4pS_E STAR WARS SHOW https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT0XmfpbblkF9PY7uO2qhbN6 THE BIG THING PODCAST https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT3KAwbzDsv6mdR-gwUiydQg - CM Punk Interview: https://youtu.be/R8Js8uj6GfE FOLLOW KRISTIAN + FIND HIM ON CAMEO https://cameo.com/kristianharloff https://twitter.com/kristianharloff https://facebook.com/harloff https://instagram.com/kristianharloff Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We appreciate it. We'll see you next time. What's up, everybody? We have a new studio, and I have a cut on my face. How you doing? Nice to see you. Hope you're doing all right. It's capes and cowls, and it is going to be the Friday episode.

I'm excited for you to see the studio. We're starting to develop it. Well, Winston and Coy said the exact same thing when they walk in. Oh, it actually looks like a real podcast studio. So it's nice to have you here. are going to be talking about not only She-Hulk, which we'll talk about the spoilers on episode two. So if you haven't watched that, you should probably look in the time codes and skip past it because we're going to be talking about She-Hulk and the stuff that kind of came out and all

that type of stuff. But Winston can rest a little bit because it looks like the Batman Part 2 will indeed get a green light soon, especially with the script now being written. There's a lot of stuff, man. There's more rumors about X-Men and what happened. There's so many stories that are out there. We're going to have a lot.

We're going to cover everything inside of the comic book movie news. I saw a bunch of stories this morning that we'll cover and we'll figure out what the hell it is. All right. So if you have not already, by the way,

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But all right, let's talk She-Hilk. Let's talk about everything going on in the world of comic book, moving news. Let's do it, everybody. You ready? I'm ready. Welcome back, everybody to capes and cows, the big thing. And I'm definitely going to do that.

That's for, I hate that stupid cut, but it is what it is. Um, look at this. It's Corey Chandrell. You like that, right? It's good. And then Winston, but how about that one, boys? Oh, look at that. Look at that.

This wide shot brought to you by Sunny D. We can now look, we can now talk to it. We can actually, I want to look through a computer. Well, it's the computer itself and the old cameras and everything, too, and shout out to. It just, it was set up in a way. It was some, definitely some Hollywood magic where the eye line made it work. But we were deaf, but for us, we were looking through a computer to pretend. like I could see your eyes.

Like there were moments where I'd be like talking to Christian like and like cheating just left them like AC reacting to what we're saying. Now we can actually see each other and talk to each other. Now one of the things that I think all three of us are guilty of and I've noticed in the comments every single week, all of us have to do today. Again, all three of us are guilty. There's not one person. Let's let each other speak because what I notice.

I'm going to lean back today. Yeah. What I notice that we do in the middle of a someone will be because we get excited and we're in the middle of a point and we go. Yeah. I'm listening to what you're saying, but I definitely do it. I saw myself doing it. And a lot of people had mentioned that.

Conscious effort. I saw it one time because, like, I have a tendency to do that a lot. And so I've been pulling back in life to stop just like barreling through conversations. So I saw somebody come and be like, yo, let my dude Wistis speak just like one time. And I was like, well, I was kind of doing it on purpose, but I appreciate someone being like, you know. That's sweet. Yeah, yeah. conscientious effort but also rewarded.

I just realized that that is, we all have our little flaws, and it is a social anxiety, nervous energy thing for me to be like, there can't be silent. I have to always be talking. So I'm trying to not do that. I think it's live culture, like on air too, where it's like when we've done more live than the average person. So it's weird when there's dead air for that.

So in life we're like, too, well, it's especially like being in radio and stuff too. You think that, okay, it's okay to have just for a second to sit with chill it because the thing is also what i never wanted to do with this show is what i don't want it to be is and nothing against the shows that we have done in the past um coy but like what i don't want it to do is to be like all right here's the news topic of the day here's my take blah blah boy sure you go yeah winston i love shows like that hell campy does it on his show

and i love going on that show and he does it and he does great job with it i just it's not my thing it's totally fine i mean it's something that has become the probably the biggest platform for like people digesting news at this point everything from the view to sports center or not sport i guess first take you know what i mean like fox news fox and friends everybody does that shit yeah well somebody asked me such a fun around tables though now we have an l table we've an l tables and we'll get and we'll get a new table um soon but it's just a good setup to start with but someone asked me recently like well what if i to me i always think like again if you put like it can't be to me is the whether it's espn or or a news outlet that's kind of his his brand right for me i want to have that

podcast, whether it's how it's Stern, Rogan type of feel, for movies, like that, that is where we're all comfortable with. And I think that I scratch the itch that, then on this channel anyway, for people who are looking for that. So, and it's different. Like, there's a lot of people in our space who definitely don't do what we do. And there's merit and both. And I think that's the point of having both is that, like, what the audience is receptive to. A lot of people want to have a structure and like more here, here, here, and know what the three acts of the show is. I like the chaos of this sometimes. I like the structure of that sometimes. But when I walk in here, my brain is like,

okay. It's just have fun. I know what this is going to be. And I like that. So, but, but within reason, we will try to be, uh, respect for each other's periods. Yeah. Yeah. And I, you go ahead. Oh, sorry. Yeah, we just did it right there. I was, I was, I was, digs, dick, slong, song, slings. Dix, digs, six. There you go. Well, I had, it's perfect. I, well, I had Craig Elbaugh on the other day. And we talked for like an hour and a half and we covered a lot of different things, but we just talked about like life and we talked about, you know, we would, it was, it was, it was, that switch back and forth. Now, obviously, this show is more detailed and structured

because the whole point of it is to talk about the stuff going on in the world of comic movies and shows. And speaking of which, let's start with She-Hulk. How about that transition? See? Throwing bombs right now. Maybe I just let some gas out. She-Hulk episode.

That's right. How great was it to see Cousin Larry back? Oh, perfect. So happy. So good to have Cousin Larry back. I thought I recognized. I just didn't clear. at first. She Hulk's dad, right?

Yeah, I said stranger things on my non-spoise, and it's definitely not that. It's a, and it's not Sith Council either. Okay, let's get to some of these pictures here that I want to talk about. So it just starts off when she's walking around in the bar immediately. What I liked about the episode, a lot of people liked this episode better than the first. I don't know where you guys stand. This is where it founded stride for me. And I like that they moved the origin from the end of the series to the beginning, like we've all heard about.

but I do think it caused a certain tonal like, hey, we need this to get done. Let's hurry back to the courtroom stuff, which worked, but it's a courtroom show. And I think it in the second episode showed its confidence in being Spin City with Soups. And I love that. It was like, hey, this is what the show is going to be.

Trust us. And it took off for me in two. I mean, you guys also have the said context of the other two episodes after the fact. So I'm sure that might also be painting it a little bit. I found myself liking one a little more,

but I do really, really like this episode just because we've determined this is a spoiler, right? It's a spoiler. Okay. So like the fact

that Emil Blonsky has evolved into who he is now is super interesting. I love that. I thought it was hilarious because the other part of it is I also don't believe him

and I could even to the fact that like the first issue was like, okay, now that he's your client, you see this that he's been sneaking out and going to underground fight ring. I love that. What a way to end the episode also, too.

And then, Coy, we can actually talk about the line that we love so much. Yes, it's finally out there. So the line that we were talking about, and I'm assuming we're on the same page. So I thought it was a really clever thing was when she calls up Bruce. And she's telling, and she's telling Bruce, she's like, hey, listen, I got to represent this guy.

And I know it. And he's like, oh, that was so long. I'm literally a different person. It was so. She goes, ha, ha. And only this show, remember I was saying how this show allows for comedy that couldn't really exist otherwise. And the way we were talking last week about the tone of a certain character that is going to allow, it was Blonsky. Because, like, how perfect is that?

It's still him. It's still accurate. But it is the comedy elements we were saying the show is going to do well. I'm now more excited for Daredevil because of Blonsky. It's also interesting that Titania is a social media star. Scary. That's hilarious. hilarious. That's what's going on with her. I'm curious where that's going to come in because she came in for a split second in episode one got her ass whooped and then we haven't heard from her.

I got stuck in traffic because Jamila Jamil was out in Hollywood tagging posters and like she was like actually as the character like in all the costume. But like there was traffic everywhere because people were all filming it. But like all of Hollywood was dealing with like shield chaos and I had this really weird boys moment where I was like seeing ads for superheroes and then like I was seeing the ramifications of it and it definitely felt. like a vaught industry's where it is fiction and nonfiction end because we're so invested in this world to see an actress tagging it's so rad and as social media I'm trying to get paid a six seven figure salary to go and street tag shit my costume kidding me well I was not bad at it and it's funny you bring up the boys because I think this to me it feels obviously not as raw as the boys it can't be from being in Marvel and being in Disney but um it had this show does have a boys element, the boys element to it with the other superheroes that are coming in and what you're

going to deal with in the idea of the legality behind it and all that. So, and I agree with you that I think, even though I like, I'm with Winston on the fact that I liked episode one the best. Okay. But I do agree with you very much so that the reason why this show, this episode was so good is because it really lands into this is really what the show is. This is what the show will, will become because this is how she gets her job. This is how, and I love that idea. Then she's sitting at the table and she's like,

no one's going to hire me. And then the dude comes in. He goes, oh, you know, you got to be on the other side of it. So how you feel about that? And then, oh, by the way,

we don't want you. We don't want you. We want you. Well, to be honest with you, it rang true. And that's why I really enjoy this episode. It rang true for anybody that feels like,

you know, you were kind of an other in the office. Yeah. And that they are, you are a token. It literally rang true to every time. in life that I have been the token in the room and I thought you're talking about me I'm sorry that's all right you got um it's fine new yorker token new yorker

but like it was that situation where she was just like you know she's walking in the office and she's giving the spiel about no one's going to take me seriously people are going to think i'm just here for that you see her another woman in the same way that you would hear oh everyone's going to think I slept my way to the top it's like, oh, you just did this because you're she-hulled. I don't actually have merit. It immediately clicked and I was like, holy shit, I've been in that situation before and I know that feeling.

So I love the fact that they let us dive deeper into like kind of her psyche of what this is now. I thought that was really, really good. The show continuously does this from, even from one through four is that it takes a nice play of what's going on in social media, in the world itself, the meta stuff, but combines it, but doesn't just get too,

spoofy and I hate doing this every single episode where you compare it to Thor. But it's like where Thor just became to me kind of like a parody on itself. This show, and you just mentioned Blonsky, right? So Blonsky to me, what I thought was done so well is that I just watched The Incredible Hulk with my oldest like two days ago. And this is after I had watched the She Hulk and I'm like, okay, so radically different, obviously, but there's something else that we're not talking about. This is 15 years later.

Yeah. Mike Tyson when you went into prison. very different dude when it came out a lot of different things so a lot and and a lot of different people came out very different um so i didn't mind that because he's also when he he was he's they say it in the in the movie he's 39 years old so he's about 39 when he goes into prison so this is whatever it is 10 13 years later he's so mid 50s right he's mid 50s and he's chilling he's doing yoga but i also but i also think and it'll be curious to see what happens here is that this could very also easily read as somebody who

just trying to get out. It's just trying to get out. And that's what's going to be fun, right? Like the show's going to be able to manipulate our expectations by changing the tone with the comedy and the irreverence, right? Like the show is inherently tongue and cheek. The show is inherently pop culture and topical base. But because it's doing all that, we're not going to know what angle they're taking these characters. And that, to me, is the boys of it, is the irreverence. Because you could, you would probably know even better than I would, Coy. I don't think that there's a point. I mean, there's always a point where

like the villains sometimes have to team up with the heroes because some bigger force, but there's never a point where Abomination becomes an anti-hero. No, there's a run where Maestro in the future, there's a World War Hulk adjacent run of a future imperfect continuity where Maestro teams up with Abomination

to take out Dr. Doom, but then betrays everyone. But that's like literally a side universe in the future, so it's like a parallel so in our continuity now. So to that point, it's not that they couldn't do it anyway because they're writing the show. But like I, my, all my red flags are up. Sure. And I think they should be and I love that.

And I think that's what they're intending to do, of course. I think Thunderbolts are going to come to play with him for sure. And I think the tone of him being like, I was just following orders is going to be the Thunderbolts tone, where we're going to be like navigating what villains are, what heroes are, what subjective good is? That's going to be fun. What was the point? Because, again, I watched all four of these because I put up my immediate reaction yesterday afternoon. Like, how was it immediate reaction?

Didn't come out of it. Because I taped them all in the same shot. Yeah, people are so baffled by that. I know. I'm doing new rock stars. I'm like, guys, I made the predictions that I predicted before I watched them. Like, that was weeks ago. But I was going to ask you because I don't remember because I didn't rewatch it.

I just, going off of the memory, what was the post credit on this one? The post credit on this one was... The post credit on this one was... Captain America F's. Oh, her helping her dad. So, like... Oh, the water was... Right, right, right, right.

Yeah, the water kegs thing was clever. And I loved having him. And I loved having him. And I loved having him. And I loved her. love that moment with them, by the way. I really enjoyed the fact that what it was, was you had cousin Larry from Perfect Stranger. He plays the dad, but they're all kind of arguing back and forth. And that could have gone horribly wrong of just kind of schick comedy. Yeah. Right. It could

have gone horribly wrong. And it became, hey, listen, kiddo, let's talk. I know I can see the things are going on with you. What's going on. He's being her dad. And it's like, yeah, these moments and these funny moments with the family and stuff, and that's there. But it's like, that's what I'm digging about the show so far is that it can hit you with jokes, but then it does go into, okay, this is what this is. I also like that that moment specifically showed us where Jen came from. Because

we see, she handles drama by putting comedy up and then settling down. We see that she gets it from her dad. And then you get to be more invested in Jen because now you get like her family. Yeah. And that's so rad. Which, God damn, dude, that fucking family. We just, we're just

holding Fs. Oh, that's right. I forgot. Only, only because Like I said, like I do, when I realize, well, big, it's so weird. And I understand this. For a big thing, it's like we, we, we just let it fly, right? Big thing proper, let's it. We're all learning here. Big thing proper, lets it fly.

Sith Council, we try to stay clean because of kids. And I think with the Commonwealth movies, that's fair. Try to. Sorry, kids. It's all right. We're learning. We're learning. And I love when the audience, some of the audience gets pissed on.

Like, why can you just, just, just say whatever you want to say. It's like, because I was the other day. Sponsors is one thing, but that's, but honestly, no, that's not even the main thing. because they don't, they don't care as much. It's, it's my kids. Like, I'll be in the kitchen kind of, like I said. I re-listened the episodes ago, we could have done this, we could have done that. And my little ones will be walking by.

Yeah. And I'm listening, like, when it's big thing, I know not to do that. Because big thing, it's like, gloves are off. And it's nothing you did. I did. I think we all did it today already. I think I opened the show with it. Maybe.

I'm just, I'm laughing because I'm getting to that age now where I feel like when I was younger, I would always feel bad. I'd be out at, like, the grocery store or whatever. And I'd be like, you effing. And I'm like, oh, damn, this baby. Be quiet.

Learn the world, you little mutt. I was in, I was had a Dodger game yesterday for, for, uh, five year anniversary of Kristen. Nice up.

Oh, congrats. Thank you. She doesn't watch a show. Come on. No. Yeah. You never know, bro.

This is the time. She knows it's the day of the anniversary. Maybe I shout her out. Um, we were there and somebody, and both there and I went to a sparks game like two weeks ago. And when I tell you at the sparks game, it was this mom that,

that brought all like the Girl Scout troops so they could watch it and I'm just like are you fucking getting me? Get the fucking rebound and they were like same thing in the Dodger game somebody got like a bat I was like oh you stupid piece of shit and they were just like

my child I'm like it's a Dodger game suck it up motherfucker you'll be changing your tune quick you keep going through anniversaries yeah yeah that five year turns into a tent and a baby comes out you might be thinking about a little different hey man look my child can come out the womb talking about

what's something Motherf? Dude, I was swearing so much as a kid and like, I never thought it was odd because I always enjoyed the manipulation of like expectation, right? Like I'd know what language I'd get away with. It's the Boston. Yeah, and public schools. Like, you know, those, those are meth head teachers. But like, we got here. Dude, I'm going to play the Migos for my child when they come out of the room. So like I just, they're going to, unfortunately, what's going to be weird, honestly, what's going to be weird is when Kristen is with the kid and because a kid is half me and because I say the end word way too much and she just. he or she rips it off at mom and she's like go to your effing room right now we'll have a little logic baby and they're like, I'll navigate this conversation

we can all agree there's no end bombs being thrown away on in she-haw right and she can't believe we're talking about that so because if so I would need her to represent

the show and then there she is so did you hear what they said on Caves and Gals. I swear it was the black guy. I swear. That's why we have the wide shot, then. That's the watch shots for accountability.

And that's it. But, you know, the fact that this guy is great, by the way. Yeah. And I love, and I love it. But you know what's great about that scene, though, is it'll let you know. She's like, I can't represent him because of what happened. And he's like, oh, it doesn't matter. That's telling the audience, it doesn't matter.

I know. You know an Incredible Hulk. We get it. But it's different right now. So just... And then he had a piece of paper for the legal side of it showing the audience

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because how it ends up. I'm curious to ask you guys about this too. I'm normally someone who wants to put more time on shows. I want to put 45 minutes. I wanted to talk about that actually. I want to put 50 minutes on shows normally, right? Like I used the example of Obi-Wan where there's a, there's a scene in one of the Obi-Wan episodes

where he's talking about his brother and his information that came out. I'm like, oh, if they just added a little more detail to each one of these episodes and add it 15 more minutes, I don't feel that way in this show. I love that this feels like Spin City. I love that this feels like an episodic show, and I love that it feels like I always want more in the next episode sense, but not the binge it or it's missing something. Bight size.

Yeah. I like that it's bites. And I always want, like, I feel like it's a perfect appetizer. Like, I've gotten just enough to be full, not heavy. No. I'm happy. It's meant to be that. And it's nailing that for me.

There are shows that are not meant to be that. There are shows that feel that way. Like, again, a lot of the Star Wars stuff right now should have so much more detail. I feel like Star Wars is lunch and it's playing with appetizer portions. And I want breaking bad things to be, but like some shows. I don't think, I don't think, I think Mandalorian and Obi-Wan dinner, but I think Boba Fett suffered from being lunch and not knowing it was lunch. Sure.

So like I want every show to have a different weight to it. Right. And I don't think this show is mistaking what portion size it is because it makes me like enjoy the fact that I've got a 30 minute show. Yeah. I don't have a lot of like throw on shows. Right. It's really nice. What do you think?

Yeah, I think it works. This one I felt I was like, oh, it's already over. The first episode I thought was perfectly timed. This one I was just like, oh, well, damn. Like I thought we might get a little more settled with her in the office. That's what I was expecting. It's just like not resolved, but just like, okay, and here we go. So that threw me off just a little bit, but not enough that like I'm complaining about it.

You think that it's because we're accustomed to, especially Marvel, a little longer of episodes. So maybe that's kind of what you're hoping. That's part of it. I think part of it for me, again, just the more, like, I'm not going to compare myself to the writers of this show because they're obviously paid professionals doing this. But the more writing I'm doing, the more there's like that weird ebb and, flow of just like we've settled what we needed to talk about in this episode even though it is episodic you know what I'm saying uh or sorry serialized um I always get those confused

which one is that the story storyline serialized even though this is serialized there there is there is because you're mentioning Spin City yeah there's a little bit of an episodic feel to it yeah so I just felt slightly like okay but I but not enough that I was like well that was dumb to me I like that you kind of want more at the end in a, in a, and for me a positive way, but it does remind me of a bygone era of TV on purpose. Like there's not a lot of TV that feels like, oh, okay. You know what's funny? Because you mentioned Spin City.

I was immediately thinking, especially now that she's taking on Blonsky, I'm actually thinking like scandal now. Oh, that's fun. Where this idea where it's like, oh, God, now you got to do like the same way you were dealing with politicians or the soups. And it's the idea that she's pulling them out of trouble. Right. nobody could do.

Like I, I, that, I immediately got that vibe. And I was like, I'm here for this. And this is what we're going to do. Yeah, and I also like the idea of how they ended it too, where she's like, she's just, as you mentioned with the Ebs and Flows. It's like, we get to this point. She's like, okay, it's moving. It's like, oh, yeah, turn on TV.

And then you stop. And I loved how they played in Shang Chi. And I loved how that. And it was like, wait a minute. What, what? And then now, but that's, but that's what they're doing well with TV. What they've done traditionally, it's like, tune in next week four. You know, that's like, that's what they're.

That's what this is. It's, that's the funny part to me is I was like, wow, they really did just bring this in because I was like, okay, he was just at that fight ring.

Why, how is he, is this in the past, but that answered the question. And I love how they're playing with continuity and Marvel. I love that they're like, you know,

we saw the reference to the celestial finally. Right. There's an Easter egg about like, what was it? What was that? There was a line of news ticker tape, like,

what is this statue of a man and blah, blah, like quickly. Like there's literally finally a mention of a celestial. Also, you guys, do you guys see the Wolverine thing? Oh, okay, great. So there's two things here. Wolverine is one thing.

And then also the other thing we should talk about is there's a lot of people talking about potential, what's it, the Warhol. World Warhol. Yes, because he took off. I did a whole video on that. All right. So let's talk about both of those things. So, Corey, tell us first about the Wolverine thing, which I definitely didn't pick up.

And then the only reason I know anything about the Hulk World War thing is because I read it on the news. So there is a, there's a shot in the show that's a, news ticker and on the bottom third it mentions man in bar fights with knives on his hands and it literally like it's Wolverine like there's a man in barbara fights with knife hands or something like that's and it just it just named dropped wolverine i'll try to find the shot for you see i'm sure it's out there dude that's what i get for like trying to watch the show while i was still working i i saw the show but i missed little finer details i didn't even see that but no yes the world war holk thing while he's looking that up.

Man fights with metal claws and barbara. Can you text that to me right now and I'll put it on the screen? And underneath it, why is there a giant statue of a man sticking out of the ocean? And Iron Man threes. That's kind of fire. That's fire. The little show details like that,

but no, dude. So the other thing, by the way, and I guess we can get into some more news. But unless, so we talked to. For the record,

I missed that the first time. And then when I did my second viewing, I caught it. So I did not catch the Wolverine until the second time because, like life. So basically, So basically, so in Hulk, he goes, so at the end of this episode, he's on the phone. I'm not at the end of it, but one of the reveals is he's on the phone with her.

And then he's like, yeah, don't worry about it. So when are I going to see you again? He's like, I'm going to be a little tight up. And he goes flying into space. So a lot of people are, oh, well, that's kind of a setup for. So World War Hulk, why people were kind of like, okay, Ragnarok, they took some things and just kind of mash them together. World War Hulk, the Illuminati is like, yo, Hulk, you're too wild, bro. Bruce, you're going to kill somebody.

So we've decided you're gone. And they just ship him off. And he gets pissed off about it as the Hulk would. And he ends up crashing the ship on this planet called Sakar. And that's what we kind of saw. That's the planet that he ended up on in Ragnarok. He does become that gladiator that everybody's obsessed with. And he ultimately overthrows, like, the king that's there,

similar to what was sort of happening with Goldblum, but we didn't really get into it. And he settles the planet as like the ruler, has a wife, has a kid, and like Conan almost. Yeah, kind of sort of, exactly, exactly like Conan. And then the ship that he crashed in because it just was unstable,

explodes and pretty much kills everybody on the planet, including his wife and his kid. And then Hulk is like, I'm going back and murder everybody. And so he goes back to Earth and he just starts slapping everybody around like crazy. So the fact that he's going back to Sikkar, that's why people are like, oh, is he going to, like, is this going to actually play out now?

You think they're going to go that round? I think that enough people are complained about Smart Hulk that what they're going to do is have him break on the planet when his family dies and play the long game and like have him like get to that point and then have the rageful Hulk come back from. He's the only Hulk we've got that has like a disassociative identity disorder. He's the only one that has those voices. So I think there's something that might activate another voice. And I think what might happen and I'd love to see this is a. Imagine if he's a dedicated, almost detective criminal gray Hulk on the planet. And we get like a Mr. Fixit.

What's funny about this, though, is that everyone talks about this, is that no one, myself included, talking about how, I mean, my favorite version of the Hulk, even watching the Incredible Hulk is Rachel. Which one? Well, the one that when you, let's say. The Ragnarok one, the OG, like Avengers one. I think the OG Avengers even the first. I think that's where we get.

But what I'm saying is, and then everybody started complaining about smart Hulk, right? And the answer that I've not heard anyone say, no one. The reason why you're getting so much Smart Hulk is because they want to utilize Mark Ruffalo. And it's like, and I was like, the end of the day, I'm like, it makes so much. It's like, because as Rage Hulk, which I love, the thing is you're going to have to write more scenes if you want to utilize Mark Ruffalo. There's got to be more scenes inside of the transition because in Ragnarok, he's barely in it. Right. Yeah. And it's, yes, it's him. And it's the version of him. And he can, and maybe he is playing them as, I don't know, but it's not the, it's not the same as when he's having this, like he's,

that's full on rough low and he's having those conversations with Tatiana Mislani in those things. I mean, that's why you utilize him. That's why you pay him. But I do think it's time for Rachel to come back. And I get that. And I think if you end up in a scenario that, like you said, he goes to Sikar, his family gets killed, and so then he can't control it. And so like Hulk fully takes over and it's not Bruce in there.

I think the thing that we haven't been able to do, and there's a lot of great storylines that have happened over the last few years. including one that's happening right now. Part of the whole Hulk thing, I get that there are times where they're on the same page, but there is a lot of times where Bruce is like, you're an effing monster and I'm going to kill you. And them addressing that directly in Shilk,

I don't think is an accident. Him being confused about not having the steering wheel. Like all of that is very, and that's all very immortal Hulk dialogue. A mortal Hulk deals with multiple personalities talking. And Hulk also has like an abusive dad and stuff that I didn't explore. So we could like have an interesting time exploring that in the other planet. I think it'll be a great.

And that's why now, because we only get six episodes. Oh, we get nine or ten, yeah. Yeah, we get eight more or seven more. So here's my question. Do you think, because I still think that it's going to be, you know, She Hulk that's going to have to try and, like, fight her cousin. Do you think now that they're going to try and pull that off this season? Not this.

I think that's too much. I think we go. I think he's off. I think Hulk is now setting, I mean, the universal rights are back tomorrow. Oh, did they get it back? They get them until 23. Next year. Perfect timing.

I thought it was in perpetuity. Oh, are you sure? Oh, look it up. Double check. I could have sworn it was in perpetuity from what they said. If that's the case, I don't know why Universal isn't immediately signing up and being like, yo, let's get this bread. I saw what y'all do with Sony.

With Sony, I know. I mean, at this point, I think it would work. But, all right, we're going to, so that's the majority. Corey's looking that up. Yeah, it is a very large rumor, 2023 Universal. A bunch of Disney sites, a bunch of, we'll see. You know, it's funny, there was, as we mentioned with D23, you know, you got, what the hell? I don't know why you're on there.

D23 is you doing an impression. It just like waves. Hello, it's me. But T23, there's a lot of different rumors, whether it's Fantastic Four and Doom, we've talked about. And Deadpool is a given. You know, the other thing that I didn't realize, and there's a, really, really, a great, someone who fan who contributes

comments every single time on this channel and recently said, oh look, take a look at this is what is going to happen on all these panels and what you're not, it is going to be a two-hour panel to Lucas and say, well, you're not also realizing and it's also going to be the Fox brand as well. And then he sent me the link and it's

Fox, whatever it's called, it's certainly listed in there as well. 20th century. Yes, 20th century, excuse me. So that's, All three of those are listed. So now it's a balance of all those. But inside the 20th century is probably Deadpool because that's where it came from. And maybe Avatar. Do you think we get some Avatar footage?

Probably. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like Avatar, Deadpool. Yeah. What was that? How, do you have a ghost? What a strange thing to happen off.

Oh, I'm like, I don't see what could have touched that. That's what happens when you put socks on sandals. So too much joy mode. Hey, hey, man. Look. Too much like, you know. Hello, is anyone here? Hello?

I don't know why your penis became English. Out of it. I mean, dude, my first name is Winston. I'm not surprised at all. If anything, it might be Jamaican. We don't do those accents here. No, no. On the wide shot.

Only on the wide shot. Come bring eyes to the sheets. It's got the joy mode. That's right. He's allowed in that sweatshirt soon. What's he doing that? That was his reaction. That was his reaction.

They're still doing it. Still going down that path. But what that is. So anyway. We're going to need you to run the African American division. Right. But, but the, but yeah, that's Avatar. Yeah.

Deadpool. And then it's just a matter of how they divvy. Yeah. How do they divvy up? I don't think they're going to announce that. Maybe they announce it, but they're not going to have any panel. Yeah. But how do they divvy it up, right?

Like you would assume Marvel's going to get the juice. Marvel's going to get them. I don't know if they do because of Comic-Con. They'll get, that juice was. That juice was. up juice. Yeah. I, I, if it's going to be anything, I think now that you've mentioned, it's going to be a third, third, third. But I don't, I genuinely think because of how much the 45, 45, 45, 45, 35, 30, you think?

20. I mean, it's three things. And I think Fox gets the 30. They have less properties. I think Fox will get the least amount, right? So, and I, I, I personally, I think it's going to be 30, 30 in an hour. I think Marvel's getting in an hour. I think celebration means Star Wars is in a good spot. I think the Comic-Con announcements were very much like, hey, we're Marvel. And they set up the momentum. And then they gave you, like, the blank slate phase six. And I think they're adding to face five. I will tell you, though, as a Star Wars, and because you guys know, Star Wars is the thing that I'm most excited about. Yeah. Star Wars should be the one with the most time. I don't think celebration, they really, you didn't give you the acolyte. It was more reunion

based. It was looking back. But there was some stuff. I mean, Asoka's coming up right around the corner. The Mandalorian's coming up around the corner. And if they're going to focus on those two things, but the question is, are they going to have these, I'm waiting for them to do kind of what, I want to come out of that. You guys obviously want to come out of it with hyped up for Marvel and the stuff that they're going to. I'd love to be Hype for Star Wars too.

But I'm just saying, I want, I said this on Sith Council, I want to be in a place where I'm like, okay, I'm just expecting them to show a trailer, do this, but I want to be a place where they announced like some big series, but I don't mean just like one random series, like something that all,

what was, I always ask this and I always get it wrong and I'll forget it again, but it's infinite crisis or on Earth, whatever the hell is. DC's crisis. It was close. So that, how big that event was. Yeah.

For CW or whatever the hell it was on. I want something like that for Star Wars. We'll see. Marvel will do it. Marvel will have some kind of an hour. Marvel's already sure. You've already done it. Yes.

And that's what I'm saying. They're going to double up. But I, this is why I just don't think Marvel, like, they're going to get their time. But because they drop so much a Comic-Con, this is more of like, we're going to give you a few more final trailers for like Wakanda Forever. Maybe here's a little thing for Antman and the

was. But then here's some of the things we didn't tell you. This is the, oh, and one more thing that we were talking about with Steve Jobs. And I think this is the opportunity for Star Wars to have that moment. See, I'm going the other way. I'm going, they saved their X-Men. They saved their, they want their hometown. They get that hometown advantage. Like, this is our convention. This is what D-23 is. Yes. And they have so much stuff. You just mentioned two or three things. And right then and there, that's going to be a couple of, you know, minutes or 15, 10 minutes. Yeah. All the stuff that they have. have. I'm telling you, I think they start out with, with, what's it called now? Century.

20th Century. They start out with 20th Century and they're going to do around, I don't know, 20 minutes, maybe a half an hour, right? And then they'll bring Lucas film and maybe Lucasfilm does 40. Maybe. But I say it happened and then they're going to close, they're going to. Is it, is it at that point now where Star Wars just doesn't have the same kind of clout that Marvel does? Oh, I think that happened a couple years ago, man. And then I think because of the same reason. So I brought this up and this combines into both Marvel and Star Wars, so we can talk about it for sure on the

show. But I said yesterday and let me make my point before you guys come yelling at me. Thank you. But I had said yesterday on a clipout that if there's any movie that I would like to see canceled or push to the side, it's Tycho Atiti's movie.

Now, that's not because I don't like why Tyka Watiti. I happen to love Tyga Whattina. I think he deserves all the success that he's had. I think he's hilarious. I think he's a very funny dude.

I think it's a bad move for Lucasfilm to lead with that movie right now when I don't even think Tyca knows what the hell it is yet. And the problem with Tyca at the moment is that, and this is a problem that Lucasfilm has, is that they say, hmm,

we have the hot director of the month, and that's that person. Get on in there. You do one. Oh, that didn't work out? Oh, you come in. do that, right? And they don't have any, like, focus. Marvel has focus. And Marvel can also afford if you don't like Doctor Strange, too, if you thought Thor was a parody of itself, Marvel can

afford that right now. Lucasfilm cannot. Not with a movie that they have coming out that the last movie was Rise of Skywalker and very low-rated on Rotten Tomatoes and from fans. Last Jedi didn't go very well. Solo is a bomb, right? So like they're not working on, they need a movie that's going to hit. So have, so that's, that's kind of why I think that it's a matter of, I think Marvel is going to, Marvel has enough stuff. Lucasfilm needs something that's what, to answer your question, they've been surpassed because there's, there's, there's, there's way more public trust in their fan base with Marvel than the public trust with Star Wars. I, I guess what's just so wild about that. I mean, I know obviously comics have been around for forever.

But as far as being in this escape, Star Wars has just been such a juggernaut for so long. It's not to say that it's not anymore, but like, it's not a movie a quarter. Yeah, to genuinely take a backseat because Marvel is a movie a quarter. And the volume of it, like you can't tell as many Star Wars stories without the momentum that Marvel now has. Not right now. You can, but not right now. That's what I'm saying.

It's like it's a whole galaxy far, far away. It has the potential, and I'd love to see it actualized. but without the momentum because of what you were just describing, it's not going to feel like that until they find that rhythm again. But that's why-at-Bill-Burr show. And that's my whole point, though. Space Boston. No, don't do it again.

I love Bill Burr also. But again, you have to come out swinging. You got to come out. You need something big. You came out with Iron Man. Boom. And then Incredible Hokes, a good movie. And it's a good movie.

It wasn't formed yet. But they started forming it and it started to take shape. And right now, Lucasfilm just can't say, oh, Tika, people love it. People love Tykin. Just do whatever you want to do, a funny movie. I agree with you. One, I was curious, did you see the news that Cotor is back on the game?

I did. There's a games panel at D23 as well. That'll be interesting. I definitely would check it out. Marvel, too. I think Wolverine game is going to get some details. But that would be your answer, I think. I think if you're trying, you've already got all the stuff that's going on.

Oh, Knights of Republic, 100%. They're scared of it, dude. Look, we can get into the Star Wars stuff 100 times over, but I want to hit some of it. I want to hit some of these other news stories that we should be talking about here. What is this? Stop this. Let's. This actually happening.

We got incepted. No, the first thing I want to actually talk about is Batman, right? And I have, well, let me just bring this up too. It's my biggest news of the week. I'm so excited. Yeah, it is, it's big news. So to let everybody know, Batman was basically brought in a, someone to do the writing of the show.

Mattson Tomlin. Yeah, is that his right? Yeah, my, I worked from, he's doing the Reserker movie. Oh, great, great, great, great, great. So, so, and this is, and this is something, so this is from comic book movie.com. We finally have a positive update on the Batman franchise's future with Matt Reeves, signing an overall deal with Warner Brothers. That will see him pen the sequel alongside Mattin Tomlin and check it out. Okay, deadline reports that Batman director Matt Reeves has signed on an overlooked first look film deal with

Moiner Brothers. Now the filmmaker will call the studio home, which makes perfect sense when he's so deeply involved with the Cape Crusaders franchise on the big and small screen. So making this legendary studio, My Home is a Dream, Reeves said. So is that big paycheck. I am so excited to be working with Mike, Pam, Channing, and our other teams to bring captivating stories. So the trade also confirms that part of the deal, Reeves is currently pending the Batman sequel with Project Power Scribe, Mattson Tomlin. He also worked on the first movie, although when he was at Hall of, he said the host was terrible. Yeah, specifically.

Though it didn't risk to leave a credit for his contributions. Among the other upcoming DC projects is the TV Penguin Show and Arkham asylum. All right. So we'll go back in this. Ted, we'll do this deal as long as not hosted in Hall Hage. Here's the one thing that I wanted to say because I didn't, I didn't want to do it on Twitter because I didn't want to do that and I didn't

want to do it in text. Winston had text us at one point when all the Zoloft stuff was going on with, and it still is, but with Warner Bros. And Winston texts in our chain and he said, this guy's an idiot. He's now they're not greenlining Batman. And what I wanted to say to Winston was like,

that one makes a little bit more sense to me at the point because we don't know what's going to be happening right now with Matt Reeves. We don't know what the deal is. There's no script yet. There's no chance they don't greenlight that movie. It made so much money off of so little money budget. It's just a matter of because of everything going on at the time.

You're like, oh, now the guy's not even going after Batman. Of course they were going to after the back. I just, I know what you're saying. I get why you were there. It's just all happening. at the same time and I'm like because I think the other reason why because that actually came out from variety

that wasn't that wasn't like some random like yeah no course it was like variety getting at it and they were like well they greenlit joker too and they paid a shit ton of money I mean this leads more and more credence to that that black label regular continuity theory I have but it makes more sense now when you

when you find out that they were working on an overall deal for Matt Reeves so it's more so it's more like okay we're not going to announce anything and then somebody leaks the fact that they haven't signed it. Like, you have a course now. We're in the middle of deal with this guy. Yeah, we're making a big multi-project deal.

We're not going to rush this. We're making a deal with him. So as soon as the deal's over, we're going to go. And it's going to go in. And it makes sense. And another reason, you're not going to see this movie for another four years. Which people, God, there's so many people on Twitter that have tried to get going. Get us, Batman 2 for 2024.

And I'm like, no. It'll be garbage. No, no, no rush that. That's what they did with the Star Wars. Mattson is so. It's the back wire. Just not touch the way? I didn't touch it.

I didn't touch it. Hands up. Matton is so... While I bought the... We just started. Oh, this is amazing. Okay. Okay.

Mattson is such a diehard Batman guy that he actually wrote a Batman imposter comic for DC Black Label. And that sensibility, I think, is what we're going to get with the combination of Matt Reeves and Mattson working together. because they did talk about them working together in the first, but now with his experience in both mediums, I'm even more excited.

Like when you write a comic about a character and then you go back to do the movie, and he's also adapting Keanu Reeves' comic, which is why I know him for the screen. So he's now adept at not just the comics, not just movies, but making those blends. So I couldn't be more excited about this specific announcement. Matt's Mr.

I'm here for it. I guess what it comes back to with, I don't even know how to say the man's real name at this point. He just calls Olaf. I just call him Zoloft at this point. He's not earned. He's making more decisions. This is never working for Warner Brothers.

So it was the fact that like you mentioned when we talked about this on our first capes and cows, it's his bedside manner, dude. If this is what you're working on with Matt Reeves, you don't need to give away the farm, but to be like, okay, we're getting rid of this, we're getting rid of that, but there are negotiations going on. That's tougher. That's tougher.

And I'll tell you why. Because when you start making public, look, I don't like defense. If it falls apart? Well, if it falls apart, plus the fact, it's a chess game every time you're negotiating anything. So anytime you can leverage, leverage. And if it's leverage, and if you start putting that out there, that deals out there, and then the public gets to, you know, and then because it's the agents going,

well, wait a minute, look at the public response here. Look how well this is going. I'm not going to give them crap on that one. Okay. I get it. I guess that was the thing is that I guess maybe that's one of those Aaron Rogers saying when they went like 0 and 4 one season to start and his response to the media was just relax. Yeah. And maybe that's what Zoloft is doing. And again, look at us versus the rest of the

country. We're so much more invested in all this. We know so much more like we talked about with the Ezra Miller situation. 90% of the iceberg is not aware of any of this. I did a test on that by the way. Because I wanted to see after our conversation and I was like, okay, because we're in LA and I was walking down the block. We were walking my kids to school for the first day. And one of the other dads was sitting there talking to me. We were going over this thing. And I said, let me ask you a question. Because I think we just fresh off the conversation.

He said, what do you think of this whole Ezra Miller situation going on? He looked at me and goes, who's that? And I was like, well, and I told him the situation. He's like, yeah, I don't. He's like, I didn't even know there was a flash movie coming out. And I said, Michael Keaton's going back. He's, oh, that's cool. I was breaking the news to him.

Like, and then I was like, and I brought the Amber Hurd Johnny Defton. And he said, of course, because it's, It was everywhere. Yeah. And this was just in like pockets of thing. But anyway. It's interesting how it's going to roll out. I can concede what I'm wrong.

I did something similar. And I could say I asked maybe three people about like Ezra Miller specifically. And one of the three knew. Right. The other two were like, who? And I was like, oh, he's been in, you know, the Dumbledore stuff, the crimes of Grindle Wall, whatever the hell. Fantastic Beast.

Yeah. They've been Fantastic Beast. He's played The Flash. and stuff. He's like, oh, I sure he looks familiar and I kept seeing his face in a mugshot, but I don't know what I don't know what's going on. They, sorry, sorry. But it's also just a matter of perspective on what you're investing your time and energy into. So this story like, you know, our take on this WB stuff, they might be going like 0 and 4 relax. Let's settle it. Like they might just be making their

long game and we're going whoa, whoa, whoa, because we're so in the industry in a different perspective. Of course. And there's a lot of other things. And one of those things that was going on that people were talking about here is back girl right and so there's a lot of stuff going on in the back girl world here and let me get some of the stuff that that kind of went down it's having right out yeah there's secret there's secret funeral screenings of the scrap movie that are being held at warner brothers now although we never we will never likely see back girl what are being described as funeral screenings of the movie are being held on the water for cast crew and studio executives.

Well, and this is from a comic movie again, it seems like a cut of Batgirl still exists after all. While there are no current plans to release Batgirl on theaters or HBO Max because they want the tax break, THR is reporting that funeral screenings of the scrap movie are being held on the Warner Brothers lot for cast crew and a number of studio execs. After these screenings, the movie is expected

to be locked away in a vault, either physical or digital, but the studio may take more drastic measures. This is the crazy part. This is right here, recording. to the trade's insiders, the backgirl footage may be physically destroyed. Wow, as a way to demonstrate to the IRS that there will never be any revenue from the project. And thus, it should be entitled to the full write down immediately. Others dispute this and believe that Warner Brothers may still decide to release the film someday and pay the government back its tax

liability. This is a crazy story. The first option may prove to be the more appealing for David Zasoloff. And company, however, it does sound like the studio might be in dire financial straits. earlier tonight, the news that both in here's, we'll combine this into two. Aquaman and Shazam have now been pushed to 2023. Well, Aquaman already was pushed to March. Aquaman was now pushed to November or December and Shazam took over the March date now. Wow. So there's a few things with this.

We talked about the tax stuff a few weeks ago, but what's interesting with the release dates is people don't think about when we talk about releasing a movie being double your budget, right? movies $100 million, imagine $100 million for press. That's money you need on hand. What I'm hearing is they don't have $210 million to release these movies. So, like, they've got the $210 million movie done in some case, but they can't get it out. Because they don't have the money to advertise it. They don't have the money to, like, go to exhibitors.

And then you're in trouble right now. And then you also are splitting the money with the exhibitors themselves. So Matt Damon just did that video that's going viral again. It's like an old hot ones, but for some reason it's really popular because of all this. but basically like you make a $25 million movie. When you started talking, I was like, oh, you watched that Matt Damon movie. Oh, I know, but I'm tied it all together.

You think a Boston boy pops to my screen and don't press black. Of course. But so basically $25 million. I got so excited. Your voice cracked. I'm so, I need to go home. Boston.

But you need to make $100 million, right? So imagine with $200 million dollars not being able to borrow more. So you're considering destroying for an immediate right down to release. So what happened was Shazam was originally supposed to come out in June of 2023. They moved it up six months to our current December release date. Then the March release date

that was just vacated by Aquaman 2 because I think Ben Afflegg is shooting way more than they're saying is now vacant. So now you can move to that March date and then if you look at it, that means one movie a quarter every time you get your tax back

every time you start to play with money. So now they're doing quarterly movies to balance all these, but I don't think we're gonna see a balance for like four or five years. It's bad. It's gonna take a while. business behind it makes sense. Yeah. And I get it. And it's also one of the reasons you bring in Alan Horn who worked at Winterbos for so long and then worked at Disney for so long and it worked

on the Marvel side with, um, with Bob Beiger and, and Kevin Feigy and all that too. I get it. It goes back to what Winston and I were saying about how Zoloft has been doing his thing and how he's been presenting it and how he's been doing all that. That's, that's the problem. He's not, what I will say about him, he's not in a, in an easy position. That's it. And not only anybody, anybody can deny that. He's in a very tough position. I mean, all these stuff. I don't like the decisions at HBO Max. I don't like him at all. Like the idea behind it. However, what I will say is this.

It does make sense. I get why he's making the cuts that he's making because he's trying to get money back. I get all that. It sucks. And it could hurt the product. But I get why he's doing it. You're in what was the Haslov's higher theory of survival. survival or whatever. Yeah.

You're beyond food and all that. Right now, you're just an immediate danger. Yeah. If they're that broke, cut off the arm. You're in immediate danger mode, and then we can worry about shelter,

and then we can worry about food. Yeah, and he's also in a place where he's like, okay, look, I don't care of this idiot, Arloff is saying about me and call me by the wrong name. I got to, I got to protect this business,

and I'm going to slash and cut, and everybody can hate me now, but if I pull this thing together, in five years I'm going to be a conquering hero. Look at, what was his name? Theo Epstein from when he took over the Red Sox. He took over the Red Sox. He was like, okay, he took him, making these moves and the guy he won a championship for.

And he did it for the Cubs. You know, and he's looked upon as like one of the best now owners of all time. Not at first. Not at first. That's what I'm saying. And I'm hopeful. Yes, and you're going to have your naysayers. You're going to have your people who critique you.

If the moves turn out, look, we could also look and say, you made all those moves and he lost even more. And my other fear is the other side, like the WeWorks side. like the WeWork side, all these companies we see, like, implode, and they made a profit as they imploded. And that's what kills me. Exactly. And then we get our Batman Spider-Man.

Right. Which, real quick, you kept mentioning the tax rate off. Either of you watched last week tonight? Not often, but sometimes. I love it when I have it. So John Oliver makes it a point to constantly just, like, shit on whatever company as puts on the show. So it was AT&T, obviously, previously.

Yeah. And so now that they've been acquired, He goes, you know, they're dropping more stuff than HBO is dropping, like, you know, properties. HBO, HBO Max, it's not TV. It's a tax write off. I was like, oh, that's a good. It's dark. It's real right now.

It's true. And look, and especially, it's crazy because, like, it's like this measure of success and this thing that comes. Like, you look at the week that they have, and they, and you start out with Monday. And Game of Thrones is one of the highest rated TV shows and the House of the Dragon. and the most popular premiere in HBO history. Yeah. And then it's like, oh, yeah, we're losing money. It's a tough time for them because they have a lot of,

because it's not like they have, well, you look at you and you go, oh, they just have garbage. They don't have garbage. They got tons of great stuff. Tons of great expenses. It's going to be interesting. All right. So we got a couple more things to talk about.

The Bat girl is, is interesting. That's going to be, that'll be a story for a long time. For a very long time. We mentioned Aquaman. that's going to be pushed back. I'm bummed that it's being pushed back because I actually really excited for it. But I do,

I do think this is the right move to push it back this long. And it's because of what you just said. And that's, if you can put more Affleck in there. If you can try to find a way to maybe just, you know, maneuver things around a little bit more. Because when is flash drop again?

Flash now, it's supposed to drop in like June. Because that's their quarter two movie. Yeah. So I think Shazam 2, quarter 1, June, quarter 2, that movie. And then quarter 4 is Aquaman. Wasn't it always supposed to be Flash before Aquaman anyway, but things just got jumbled around? Yes.

So then you're also allowing yourself to write the timeline, no pun intended here. Yeah. In that, like, you are now putting them back in the order you initially wanted. They also adjusted reshoots for Flash like a month ago. And I'm wondering if those were ending with Affleck coming back. Well, on that call, I'll call him Zazlov for this one because he's... Is that how you say it? Zazlov, yeah.

When he starts to, when he's putting together his plan, then I start to use his name, right? So Zazov set out that call on that phone call that, that, okay, we have this plan, we have this thing we want to do, and we're still, we want to put this movie out, we want to do this, but where there's going to be other things that we could do. And they hinted at kind of reshooting some stuff, pasting things together. And that's exactly what this move does. This move does that. It puts in there and what it does is if the Flash, the Flash is testing very well for people who have been watching. It's supposed to, apparently it's great.

The team is incredible. Like the actual team behind it. So if it ties all together and then you put out Aquaman. Yeah. Then you've got your rebuild starting. And now you've got a plant. And now you get a universe for me. Yeah.

Because then you just let Matt Reeves and Todd Phillips. Todd Phillips do their own thing. You have DC Black Label. Keep it separate. This is your connected, whatever going on. I just, the only thing is I just, just genuinely hope this doesn't go into like another like like oh, Snydervers working back like you know like that's another.

That's another. That'll always be here. Yeah. They're forever. No, no. And I know that. I just, it's just not going to happen because I think that they don't,

they don't, yeah, it's the whole other conversation. But if we go now, so that, we know that one's coming out at the end. And then speaking of which, so speaking of back,

girl, I'll go back with the actress in the movies when there was a nice, um, letter. the heartfelt letter that was written to Zazlov, and Ivory Aquino, who said, last night we got word of the Wonder Brothers Discovery,

David Zavlov was planning to hold funeral screenings of the scrapped backgirl movie for cast crew and execs before the film was locked away. This was a surprising move, considering the sheer amount of backlash that the studio had received for its decision to shelve the movie in the first place, but even more shocking was suggested,

and we read all this up already. Okay, so Ivory Aquino, who responds to Zavislaw, love with the following. In the Twitter thread, Aquino who had been cast as Barbara Gordon's best friend Alicia Yo reveals that the decision to cancel Backgirl has caused a lot of emotional stress to both herself

and co-star Leslie Gray's. She also outlines why she feels the movie deserves to be seen and asks Zazlov to reconsider releasing the film. Dear Mr. Zazlov, I just read in an article that on

the Hollywood reporter about supposed funeral screenings of Backgirl and the possibility afterwards that the film footage would be destroyed. If this is the case, as one of the many who poured their hearts into the making of this movie, I asked this measure be reconsidered. As much as I've tried to try my best to be strong these past few weeks, I'd find myself crying, for lack of a term, from grief, and tonight was one of those nights. As much as Backgirl has been labeled a woke film, it simply came together that way

because of the writing that reflects the world we live in. For me, more than anything, in a father-daughter story, which hits close to home as my dad passed a year ago, shortly before I booked this project and I was hoping it would resonate with other children around the world. Grown and not so grown who hold their fathers in the highest esteem and who could see back girls a story of that special bond. I found myself not being able to talk about this ordeal with anyone. I realized that no one apart from those involved with the film would truly understand what we're feeling. And talking about it with my castmates, I might be akin to rubbing salt on a still open wound. My heart goes out to Leslie Grace and our director and crew and cast

who spent months dedicating all this endeavor. Leslie checked in on me. the other day. We found out the shelving had only words of comfort and support. I've dared not ask if she's spent nights holding back tears like I have. It goes on for a bit. It's a long Twitter thread. Now, here's what I'm going to say about this overall. I think this is a heartfelt note. I think it is something that she wanted to put out there because she was just bottled inside. I think it was also done for people to see. I have my thoughts. I have my thoughts. on that in general when when because what we just talked about before with Matt Reeves if there was a negotiation coming up that was clearly intent was not saying it's not genuine

that's a genuine that's a genuine tweet the heart and the thought and the tears and the pain do you think it's a power play I mean it's it's it's you want to get support from the fans you want to get retweets and you want to get that in motion there's no doubt about it and it's like writing an open letter in the newspaper days but you're not really writing a letter to raising awareness you're putting out a statement yeah and you're you're putting out a statement yeah and you're putting Zazov's name in there, but you're putting out a statement so you want the audience to get behind you to say, like, here's all this pain. Inside of that, though, and again, even though I don't think it was handled the right way, if this movie, and this is something I said to you guys, and I'll

say it again, if they don't feel that the movie is good, and they feel that they need money right now, and this is the money move. They have every right as a studio to say, we're not releasing this. Like, we just can't do it. We need to make money. It sucks. We hired you. You got paid for it. It sucks and we hate that that happened. We hate that you've been put into the stress, but we're going to lose money on it. As much as this was a very nice letter that you wrote to us, it's not going to put that money back into our bank account the right off will. I understand it. I get it. I also understand the pain and the understanding that I've got to talk to someone. I'm not saying she shouldn't have put it out there. I'm just saying, but it's not just an open letter. You're not writing a letter

to you're putting out a public statement. It's funny. It's not going to change anything in the industry, but that's one of those things that the biggest thing that anybody that does this stuff knows, you don't, it's not a thing until it's actually a thing. Until you see your writing, until you see your acting, and still you see you directing actually out there on the screen. It's not a thing because Lord knows there have been roles that I've done where I was like, I had like three or four scenes in this. I killed it.

And then they cut me down to one line. See you on the DVD. You know what I'm saying? and it happens. And so this isn't something that's going to make the rest of the world go, damn, that's, that is tragic.

I can't imagine, like I spent all this time as a construction worker working on this building, whether or not you have like some major like emotional tied to, but I put all this effort into it and they just decided, you know what, the building's not working out and they just tank it where you would be like, well, that sucks. Like I put all that work into it,

you know? Yeah. It's a similar thing, um, especially because of how, how hard it is to get to the point where you're like the second lead of a movie. Yeah. To have that movie just vanish on you would be devastating. Yeah. It's, it's, it, I, my heart goes out to her for sure on that.

And I just, like I said, though, when I, when I look at it and it's not like, she didn't send that to him. She could have, she could have got, her agent could have gotten it directly to him. She, she released that to the public to say like, hey, retweet this, maybe it's something to happen. Because there have been movements in the past. I mean, we just talked about this night. Yeah, that's how things get done. a lot of ways in modern time. Yes, and things can get done that way.

So that's kind of maybe the intent and the thought behind it. And maybe it could be desperation. It could be just something to try to get. Because the other thing to, even though you get paid for the work that you do, you get more paid depending on what your deals like if the movie comes out. And your career changes. Unless it's really bad. If it's really bad, yes.

But if it works out, that that's that long game money. It's the, it's not the, I got the NFL. contract where I'm making millions off of this. It's the, oh, you got the contract, then you performed, so now you get an even bigger contract. I get it. I mean, look, it's a crappy situation for everyone involved. I still think that it could have been handled way better by Warner Brothers up top,

way better. But I've never questioned the idea of you can't. I don't think that we have the right to. It's like if we're not spending the money on it, you can do whatever the hell you want to do. when you spend your money on a little thing. And you spend $400 on something. And someone else comes in and tells you, well, you got to do this.

And they didn't put anything into it. You don't really have to listen to them. It doesn't mean that to like your decision. And that's the thing. It's just, but you could have, well, you could have been a little nicer about it. You could have said something a little differently. You could have, but again, he could just say, well, look, that goes back to our conversation before. And also Warner Brothers.

Yes. Also, Warner Brothers is going to have the bad. relations with all these people. Yes. Yes. But what I'm curious about is how they solve the relation issues that they've caused because of how you're talking about it. Because yeah, the borrowing money thing. What's the other one? Well, you're talking about burning relationships with creators. Who else did they burn? Remember, this happened during the pandemic with Nolan and everybody else. Yeah, but he wasn't, he wasn't part of it back then. It was a different regime.

I understand that it's still the name of Warner Brothers. You have associated with being like, well, we're going to do what we need to do. And it wasn't just, you're right. Nolan was the biggest figurehead of it, but it was everyone that was like, wait, you're releasing our movie on your streaming service? Like, Deni Vellon, you've, like, so many directors, so many directors are like, like, wait a sec. So you're right, that's another good point. Like, this is a continuing Yeah, but that one they can get away with, though, for me, overall public, public, and they don't, they don't know who's in charge. It's the same thing we're just talking about with, Ezra Miller. To them, it's like, oh, but again, they probably don't know about that, that, that, but the people

that are working in the industry, like the people that are saying yes or no to work with the studios, but the people in the industry know that that's not the same regime. Right, right. They know that, but the brand name now is being synonymous with screw creators. And that's what's scary because it's not just the bad girl stuff. The things that have been tragic that I've been seeing is the people that are like, all of the Cartoon Network catalog that was on there now is just been stricken. The people that have had a number of completed shows that are just gone.

The Batman, that Cape Crusader show, is gone. Well, you know what they should do. And this is what they probably will wind up doing. It's not necessarily just gone. What people also have to realize is this, because we're going. We're so used to this streaming thing now that everything lives in one hub. If you look at certain places that don't have streaming services, right? How do they make money?

They make money by licensing their material. So if Warner Brothers wants to then say, hmm, okay. Well, you guys are bummed about that. Well, you can, Amazon's paying a hefty deal. You can go watch on Amazon. That's what that Batman show might go is like I could see it getting. Netflix is picking it up.

And you get scrapped from the other services of stuff that you don't. don't need like they're not going to do that with game of Thrones and that but there's other things that you can do it with and it's okay great it was it was it was I think that that was the the most tragic story was the cartoon network because the Cartoon Network brand is what adult swim you know obviously the random shows they put up for kids and stuff like that all of that just vanished yeah and so if the if what they're going to do and maybe we just haven't heard about it the same way you were talking about the deal with Matt Reeves if maybe they just haven't gotten to it yet and they're in the middle of negotiations but that is not what has been

presented to all these people with their shows it's like your show doesn't exist anymore. Right. And that's, so I hope if they're not going to have a revival thing that they do allow them to release that and potentially sell it to someone else because that, that's even more soul crushing to me than I think the letter she put out is the person that was like, I finally sold a show. We shot the whole thing.

It drops in August and now it doesn't exist. But it goes back to your point before until it hits that screen. It ain't real. And it's not real. And I know that. I definitely know that. It doesn't mean it sucks anyway. Yeah.

But yeah, no, it's true. All right. Listen, long, fun episode here today of capes and cowls. So just a couple of things, I guess, housekeeping, one of the type of thing. So on September 1st, as I mentioned, maybe you didn't know, maybe you haven't been paying attention to all of our stuff here. So I'll just kind of reiterate it here. I am for the first time, when I left Collider, I was on my own for around two months before I took a position with Skybond Entertainment. And I'm very happy that I did.

There was a lot of great stuff that we were able to do. but I am leaving Skybound Entertainment and September 1st is my last day. That means I am officially going to be on my own again. And as I mentioned, it's going to be a little scary, but it's going to be fun and exciting. It means we're going to build out. This sounds why you're seeing the new studio the way that it's starting to kind of evolve. You're going to see a lot of different things start to happen in that clips channel.

There's things that when I go to a screening now with whether it's Koi or Winston or anybody from the overall crew is that what we would do is Winston and I went and saw like, Nope. While the two of us did an out of the theater reaction, now because of the clips channel, you'll be able to see a single out of the theater reaction from Winston that will live there, and then mine will live on my channel,

so you'll have two different ways to do that. So there's a lot of things that are evolving on that side. The other thing that's really evolving is the patron. Patreon is something that was so crucial to the growth of the movie trivia Shmodam, and then we had an SCEM live Patreon, and that is going to basically be condensed, and will be condensed starting on September 1st.

Now, on that Patreon, Patreon, what you're going to see is we're doing these, the rewatches that we've done on this show, our last rewatch on the S&Live Patreon is Predator, and that will air on this month and it's coming up in the next couple of days. But that will also transfer over to the Patreon. We're going to be doing one rewatch per month. We're going to do a Q&A. We're going to do a lot of different behind the scenes. We're going to do Shmo's No reviews and shows that have been basically made private. They're going to be exclusive to the fans. We've also, I have the movie trivia Shmoa down slices that all the competitors were like rabid dogs trying to figure out where they were.

We're going to give those away to patrons because the fans, you can't find it in here, Winston. So they're going to be giving away to fans. And the other thing I want to try, brought this up to Kate, I want to do, I'm going to see what the legality is of it. But I want to see if I can do for patrons only a, like, an exclusive like auction. And basically what you would do on Patreon is you would have, you know, you bring up the stream lab, into super chats, whatever, too. But you do like a time period and you bring up, let's say, hypothetically, the original Schmodeon team's belt.

And you start the bidding at like $200. And you say, you know, because you got to think about shipping and everything too. And then you go, okay, here it is. Okay, so so and so just put in 200. You have until 15 minutes before it goes to them and you start talking, you do everything that you're going to do. And the same thing, you can do that with a bunch of different things, the wheel slices.

I found so many different things from Schmodomem, memorabilia. but I found a lot of S-E-N stuff. But that's the auction side of it. The other stuff that will be coming out for sure is other pictures and art and things that I found that will be exclusive to patrons. I'm going to be so active in that Patreon that I have. It was one of the main things that happened in Patreon for Shmodown is that it was harder with all the stuff I was doing.

I wasn't as engaged. That's going to change tremendously. So we ask you right now it's patreon.com slash Shmodown. It will change. It's going to be the big thing, Patreon. We hope you join us. But besides that, we have all those other things. We have the Apple Podcast, we have Spotify, all of it.

And don't forget about the Clips Channel. If you haven't gone to the Clips Channel, please go on over there and subscribe to that channel today. But there's a lot going on, man. We have a lot of rewatches coming out. We have so much. And we're excited for you guys to join us. But I wanted to thank Coy. I wanted to thank Winston.

Make sure you check out both those guys, whether it's on TikTok, Twitter. Anyway, the YouTube channels, make sure that you do that. But this is it. This Caps and Cals. We'll see on the flip side. Peace.