The Kristian Harloff Show - She-Hulk Episode 3 Spoiler Discussion and Social Media's Reaction - Capes & Cowls

Episode Date: September 2, 2022

She-Hulk episode 3 certainly has people talkin! The Marvel show starring Tatiana Maslany had people talking with the She Hulk twerkin. So where do you stand? Is the show funny? Stinky? Thoughts? This, the fandom, social media, DC has its Feige? This and a lot more in today's Capes and Cowls with Kristian Harloff and Winston A. Marshall. #ShehulkTwerk #MCU #marvel AMAZON WISHLIST: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/1KPH42T0TP0PG?ref=cm_sw_em_r_un_un_djbxgIW5ZQMMg PATREON: http://www.patreon.com/thebigthingshow SCHMOEDOWN ARCHIVE CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheMovieTriviaSchmoedownArchives Ask Kristian questions for next time! https://facebook.com/harloff Become a Patreon of the Schmoedown: http://patreon.com/schmoedown OTHER GREAT CONTENT: REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT368qY7sfE0nKE4c04CqGvu TV REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT1LU-t2Z9AD5UJDiWW4pS_E STAR WARS SHOW https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT0XmfpbblkF9PY7uO2qhbN6 THE BIG THING PODCAST https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT3KAwbzDsv6mdR-gwUiydQg - CM Punk Interview: https://youtu.be/R8Js8uj6GfE FOLLOW KRISTIAN + FIND HIM ON CAMEO https://cameo.com/kristianharloff https://twitter.com/kristianharloff https://facebook.com/harloff https://instagram.com/kristianharloff Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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welcome back one and all the capes and cows there he is oh wait your head's too close we didn't really check the we didn't check yours it's fine whatever i'm gonna fix it you know fix it also you have mastered stream of thoughts sir thank you holy i don't i'm trying to chill because you said the babies Almost, I almost did it. I was like impressed. Kevin Garnett got in there. I don't know how he got in there.

Dream sequences. You went full inception for a minute. I had a stroke. I had a stroke. That's what happened. Checks out. We're getting there, huh? Look at the studio.

I am so impressed. And I don't know. You showed me some stuff before. I'm going to talk about it. Okay. Because I am impressed by that too. So what Winston is impressed of and what I'm impressed of is, look, so we put an Amazon wish list up because Brett and I were talking about it and we said, okay, look,

here's what we're going to do. We got to, we know what we want to get inside of the studio itself and what we're going to purchase. And he's like, you should make a wish list. I'm all, I'll do that for sure. And if people want to contribute to the studio, they can. It's not, it doesn't really matter whether they do or not. I mean, obviously it does, but it doesn't matter for, it's stuff that we need to get. So it's just a matter of when we would get it. Are we going to get it? You know, when people purchase it or are we going to get it when we're able to purchase it. So we put it out there. And we said, okay, here's what we're going to do.

And because some people go, some people say, hey, how can I contribute? I can't be a patron and contribute every month. And I can't get this, and that particular sponsor doesn't really interest me. So what can I do? So we did that. And man, the amount of people that contributed, but I got to give a shout out to this dude, because this guy, and I've been talking about it. And what I also want to make sure is if you have contributed or plan to contribute at all to the studio,

please put a note because I want to thank you on the air. and I want to let people know how, like, grateful we are to everybody. And what I promised that, so this dude, and I've said it on every show so far, and I'm going to say it more, so this guy, Nathan, first rate Nate, Nathan Overdale, is the guy who, he went, I mean, this guy, this is only a few things. He got the lights, the floodlights, the TV, and the fridge. I mean, the guy, we're naming the lights after him. We're just calling him the Nate lights when we get them.

They're the Nate lights. And he's, he's, the dude's amazing. I'm going to be like, yo, you want to beer out the Nate? Nate. Yeah, yeah. It's like the Nate studio at this point. But I will tell you, though, also, there are a lot of other people besides me who contributed it, and I want to thank every single person.

And I'll probably put stuff into a, I was blown away. Brett and I were both blown away because, yeah, you know, people get a couple like light switches. Yeah, you know, it's, it is, it is amazing when you have a solid fan base that genuinely, like, gives a crap about you. You know what I mean? And like I am just so, so impressed. And it was one of the things that, like, I, you know, I saw myself during the pandemic, a lot of the streaming I was doing on Twitch and whatnot, just how how giving people are.

Yeah. And it's amazing. They want to support, right? And they want it to do well. And that's what we were getting. We were getting like, hey, look, we just want this to be the best. Is it because in letting people know that you're going on your own and doing your own thing, we want the show to improve.

And people are already saying how much this. I mean, because I couldn't stand the three shot thing that we were doing for so long. the way it looked like streaming. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Didn't even know we were in a studio together. It drove me crazy. So now, clearly with this, and we're, like, so we have these bookshelts that we're going to change over here.

I want to change, like, the, the, the, the, the curtains and get new curtains, and we're going to paint the walls, and, I mean, we're going to do everything in the studio, and I wanted to look, because we already have guests coming in. So, Cobra, man. Which one? I'm watching the new season right now. Oh, you got it? Watching the new season.

I got the creators, not coming in, but I'm having an interview with the creators next week. Nice. And then there's another potential cast member coming into studio. Cool. And so I want to make sure, like, right now this is still, you can't see all of it for everybody out there. But like, it's still, you know, it's still a work in progress. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We want to have a guest chair with a mic coming out. Absolutely. So my friends, both Andrew Santino and Bobby Lee, they have the show, bad friends. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And absolutely modeled kind of the idea and thought process about how that when they started. Like, we're going to get, we have new tables that we want to get.

I want to change this whole thing And I want it to be an active working studio Where we're gonna have guests in the way like Mark Marin did it You know absolutely dude Look I'm trying to come in here Talk about superheroes And then you know I finally started trying to look up

Some of the old schmose no shit Yeah I understand I love how it always used to be I got one N word Then I got one F word And now I can only say the S word one time No noise Noice

Like, noise. You're watching some of the old stuff? But I can't find it. Well, you can't. People have clipped stuff out. Oh, right, right, right. So, bro, I'm just trying to chill on a couch and just say stupid-ish. Like, that's it, bro.

Like, I'm just trying to come in here and act like a jack-hole. Well, we get, and we have things. And that's the other stuff that we want to do more live shows. And we're going to set up something over there, like whether it's the couch stuff. And it's just, it's, and that's why I'm so incredibly grateful to everyone who, donated because what you did is that you like jump started. You really did. Like instead of us saying, okay, we're going to get all this stuff and it'll be

month, two months, three months. It's like happening now. Like that stream deck, that was my priority. And I believe it was, I think it was, it might have been Nate. I'm not sure. But it was somebody got the stream deck. Yeah, yeah. And I'm going to make sure.

Those things are the best. And I saw you got the bigger of the, which is, I have the kind of smaller one that I want to say it's what, which actually, Now that I think about it, shout out to Dwayne Burke, actually. So someone that we worked with, that we worked with, he was feeling real generous one day and hooked it up. But I have the five buttons off of three rows. Okay, great.

And that one is great. That's what I heard. But to have the, because they got you the, like, deluxe one. Yeah, that was the one I needed. That's what I needed. Especially running the show. Right. If you, because I'm watching you do this right now, the number of photos you're putting in, jumping back and forth to camera shots.

you have no idea how helpful it is. That's a note, I'm sure. I just, I did Campia show the other day, and he's like, he's going over it because they have like three over there. Oh, wow. And he's like, you should think about getting a second one. I'm like, I don't even know how to use the first one.

And so, so, but what everybody says, again, like when I switch cameras over, I'm like going like this. You're doing it manually. And that's, that's the funny thing that, you know, you're pretty quick with it so people don't notice. But like, it will genuinely streamline everything and just give it even more of a professional feel,

which is dope, man. Which I'm excited about. So again, thank you so much to everybody out there. And by the way, even if you haven't, watching this show and clicking like and commenting and getting more sponsors to say, hey, we want, people are very, like I can announce something soon that we have a sponsor coming up that we got because of how interactive the audience was. And they said, like, look, the numbers are good. But the reason why we really want to be a part of this is because we see your community

and you're in there talking to everybody and they're very active. And we want an active community in this community is that. So when you leave a comment and I comment back, you and I talk to you, that is helpful. I mean, that is beyond helpful. I don't think people realize, obviously, how helpful that is. So everybody is so thankful for everything, no matter how you are contributing. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

All right. So it was a long intro, but good intro because it's just things going down. And I wanted everybody to know about it. But there is some other stuff, man. There's some stuff. Let's do it. Oh, let's move me over. Well, actually, you know, look, see, this is the type of stuff that I want to.

It's like this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, we'll start with, besides just going into all this breakdown on the big cameos, we'll talk about the episode first. She-Hulk, episode three is out. Did you love it? I loved it. It is actually my favorite episodes.

My least favorite. But part of it what we've realized is that it's not that you're anti-comedy. There's a specific brand timing tone of comedy that you don't F with. And I'm realizing, or not that you don't F with it, but it grains on your nerve. Where it is. And like it's like this. So three and four are my least favorite episodes. Interesting.

Because it starts to play into that Thor Love and Thunder. Sure, sure, sure, sure. Like this one wasn't bad. I didn't mind it. This is what I'll let you give me crap on because the audience has and so has Roxy. No clue that Meg the Steyian was a real person. Thought, yeah. Thought Megynne Steyian was made up for the show.

100%. No clue. No, no, no, no. I listen, do you know what we listened to this morning? We listened to Hall of Oates. We listened to Hollen Ots this morning. So that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, I did this to me. I, I, I hang out with the whitest man of all.

Oh, absolutely. That is a, yeah, man. You don't know who make the stallion. Well, I do now, but you didn't before. Thought it was made up. Thought it was a made up character. Okay. Thought she was great.

So she was phenomenal. And then the music hit, I go, oh, I think that's a real person. Yeah, because I knew the song. Wop. She was, she was the half of Wop. I, 100%. No familiar just Dude I don't my

My kids my my kids know My kids my five year old probably knows I don't know any And yeah Who's the yadi yadi yadi That's not her body yadi that's her Yeah yeah that's also her Exactly so I know also I'm a savage

So I know the song It's like like I said That's like my dad Who sings the song about the you know The big ass Who's that one? Bro real talk Megan has gotten so big

I know she's massive That's like not knowing who Nikki Minaj or Lady Gaga is. I get it. I'm not defending it at all. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm telling you that in my house this morning, I can tell you who the lead character is in Zombies 3 on Disney Plus. That makes sense. Right.

So, okay. So now knowing that, when you watched episode three initially, you didn't know who she was, so that kind of you were like, this is a stupid bit? No, no, no, no, no. I thought that bit was good. Okay. No, no, that bit was good. It was the fact that this guy really thought it was this famous person. It didn't matter if the person was real or not.

It was like the bit and the understanding of it was working. It was when She-Hulk is twerking with her at the end, which I thought was hilarious, that I said, oh, wait a minute. I said, I think that's a very famous person that I don't know who that is. I'm dead. Holy shit. I was like, oh, I would a swear so bad. And it's well deserved.

I, Roxy on the show, which yesterday was like, can I out you? I'm like, I'm like, I'm, I'm officially, I'm officially, I'm officially, I'm, if I wasn't officially a dad, I am now. Oh my God. 100%. It is, it is, it is, I'll be honest. I'll be honest with you.

It's, it's white dad. And the only reason. No, no, no. I'm telling you, there's a ton. There's a ton. If you, if you brought up like some, the whitest rockers ever, I would have no idea where they are. Well, that's, that's, that's, 100%.

And that's fair. But specifically, you're going, oh, it's because he's black. No, no, no, no, it's not, I'm not coming up to you like that. I know you're not saying. I know you're not. I'm specifically saying my 76 year old dad. Right. Knows who made the salient. He was like, oh, yeah, she got, she got cakes.

And I was like, why do you know the word cakes, sir? You were almost 80. A hundred percent. Anyway, but to jump, to jump into it. But, but, but, but, but, but, no pun intended. Pun intended. What's getting me so much about this show, and I actually tweeted about this

like an instant reaction, is how good the writing is. It's very, that's the thing. It is so... It's very clever writing. Good. Yeah, it's very clever. And to keep it, like y'all said,

in like that kind of law procedural and to kind of attack that, but still we have our little superhero moments coming in. Like, She-Hulk at this point has been in what? Two fights? Yeah. in the show so far. It's not about that. Yeah. It's not about that. And it's not about that. And I'm sure we will get there where it becomes important. And I know I saw some people already complaining

about the wrecking crew, but I thought that was a perfect way. Is that the alley? Yeah, I didn't, I was complaining about them too. I didn't love them. I thought they were too goofy. At first I was like, well, they've always kind of been that way. Okay. Sometimes the reckon crew is very serious, but part of it is that they're bumbling idiots that are mad strong. Okay. They, they, like, their various weapons. I don't think it's always been as guardian, but they have had like kind of these enchanted, weapons and enhanced strength and all that kind of stuff. To introduce him the way that they did,

someone was complaining on your video, your instant reaction, and I'm not coming for you, dude, but I'm just, I commented back at you. They were like, the reckon crew once took out the OG Avengers themselves. And I'm like, yeah, sure.

But if you think about it this way, Shehulk trained with Bruce for however long that was, and this was the first time that they had ever used those weapons. They're not going to all of a sudden just be like, And now we whooped your butt. I did like how she got scared of first. I went, oh, wait a minute. Exactly.

That was great. That was great. That was great. Look, there's some, like I said, I think three for me is, um, it's better than four. But three started to go, okay, one and two to me, one had a really good balance, I thought. Yeah, yeah, fair. And then I thought that two just, shoot two is really good. Is it specifically the elf?

Is it, is it a shape shifter that was rubbing it? Um, no, not necessarily. I think because I think she's consistent. inside of the tone it's so though it wasn't it's just i think that again as i as we get into four i think look look i think with wong right bringing wong wong is now they're using him in a way more comedic thing right and they use him even more so in comedic in the fourth one oh in the next episode i i okay the only reason i i push back is that wong's character has consistently been the dude that like yeah he's serious but he's also he is always

been the straight man jokes. So like the sandwich thing, how much money you got? I'm like, I got a couple of roubles. How much is that? Like $2? Or the Beyonce thing? Yes, yes. No, I'm not arguing with that. There's no reason to pushback because I agree. But I just think that it's like, you know, I don't know, it's the third one to me, again, I thought it was good. But the problem with it to me was, uh-oh, we're getting into Taika territory now because Jessica Gow did not write three and four. She wrote one and two from what I know. And one, I thought that the writing was way better in one and two. I thought there was a lot of great stuff going on in three and four. We're talking three. So because people are like, well, we haven't seen four dummy. I'm like, okay.

It's fair. But what I liked about three, we actually got into a law show this time. Yes, we were setting it up in the first two and the superhero. I think that's why I liked it so much is because I'm a diehard law and order fan. Yeah, yeah, yeah. More about that case and less about the superhero stuff. Right. So like, so like, it's incorporated. And to think that some of the joke, like the thing that killed me is Wong for example, being like, sir, you know you just admitted to a felony. He goes, yeah, I got to go. Like, that's hilarious.

And I liked, and I really liked the stuff with abomination. I really did. I thought that was great. The fact that he's, he's essentially bundy and has a bunch of like women like in love with, what is his soulmates? And he has the seven soulmates in the back. Not Bundy. Not Bundy.

David Corresh. Is it Corresh? Bundy, Bundy, money was, no, not Bundy. Who's the other one? Manson for sure. Manson. Okay. Y'all, you all serial killer white people.

I can't give you. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. But I, I just really genuinely thought, again, the tongue and cheek kind of stuff, be like, hey, this ain't going to be a cameo show every week, except for Bruce. I did love that. And for abomination. Yes.

Okay. And Wong. Yeah. Damn. Okay. Well, remember who SOTIS is? Like, I thought that was great. And I thought they did a disservice to her when they clip that part out on social media,

because they just clipped that part out. It's the setup of all that that makes that work really well. because everything that you just said when she's saying, well, this isn't a cameo of the week show and then like you said, oh, but this, and that and this. But this is my show.

And it's like that to me, it's like they're still letting you know there's going to be tons of cameos, but it's going to be that lawyer-based show. And that's, what I love about the show is it's very self-aware. I think more so that, I mean, I get it when you're breaking the fourth wall,

it's easier to do that. But it's very self-aware in the sense that even doing the social media posts where people be like, oh, you're just going to see you're just going to see you're just, She'll you're going to take the Hulk away from the man. And then the one, the one that killed me is a little black kid, you maybe 13.

He goes, yeah, I don't know. I still hit it, though. Like I'd smash. He said I'd smash. And I was like, yo, specifically using smash because of the whole. Yeah. Brilliant. And the reporters.

The reporters got me too where they were like, so what is it like just being out here letting out villains and shit? Yeah. And I'm like, yo. I think that it's funny because like I said, I watched the first four in the same day. Yeah. Because we had the early screener. So as you start.

to talk because I did my that early reaction that I did and everything that was from the day and I just last week I put it up early the reaction like that's not an instant reaction I'm like yeah but I'm like I'm like I'm like I timed out last night like at 1230 right after the show aired so um so but but either way but as you talk about it more I remember like I definitely like three um more so than four and I remember saying on in my reaction and even my spoiler review that that all that stuff that self-wear I'm like even no one would ever admit it that like there's there's obviously outlets and people who are their channel is and their stuff is they have to hate stuff in order to get their their clicks though it's just part of you've chosen the dark side or live in it whatever but but that's that's

their business right but the but the thing is I would love to actually see to sit down and talk to some of them off camera and go come on you got to give credit to some of that because that was clever tell that whole report absolutely look if this is just not your cup of tea I don't I don't have any beef with that, but the people that can't objectively look and go, this is actually very clever writing, and this is being acted very well, I think you just want to be a hater. You don't have to like the show.

You don't have to like the show, but you can... A hundred of you can say, because I've saw, I want to thank people, by the way, on my instant reaction, I saw some great comments. I go, look, I don't really love the show. I tried, not my tone, not digging it, glad people are, but I don't know. There's one guy who gave a... I didn't like the way

He opened his comment, but he gave a lot of good reasons why. Sorry, one of my biggest pet peeves when people go, are we watching the same things? Like, clearly not because I don't like when people do that. I don't respond to that. Because it's like, you don't watch shows the way that I do. I don't watch shows the way that I don't watch shows the way you do. You also don't have the experiences I have that's going to resonate a different way. 100%.

But I don't take, but I don't take anything away from that guy because I thought he presented himself very well afterwards or when he didn't like it. He just opened with that particular thing. It's hard to say. hard to be objective about art, honestly, but it drives me up the wall when, because I can, I can step back, for example, and I kept using this, uh, when we were doing S-CN live and we were in studio that I did not like Greta's little women. I just didn't like it because I just didn't vibe with the tone.

I don't normally get into stuff like that. The same thing's true about like downtown abbey. There's a lot of, uh, handmade's tale. That's not your vibe. that it's not my vibe, but I can objectively go, they are acting their asses off. The writing on this is phenomenal. Like, I can look at it and just actively say this is being done properly. And so that's kind of the thing that I'm feeling about this show.

I am loving this show, but I can objectively also say that it's like a good, it's being done well. I agree. And I think that that's the, that's why I'm very curious to see what people think of the next one. Because as I, I'm just very, very curious. because of the tone itself, and we know Daredevil's coming in, right? It does make me nervous that Daredevil is going to get the kind of treatment

that Kingpin did because I hated how Kingpin was done. Hated it. If I had to guess, and this is the thing, I think when you're going to end up in a situation where Daredevil will probably be more kind of closer to maybe like a Colossus was in Deadpool,

in a sense where he is going to... He cracked jokes, though, He did crack jokes in Netflix. There was no, he wasn't super serious. He cracked jokes in Spider-Man. He did. He did. But I'm saying, I hope they keep him like that.

Yeah. As opposed to, I mean, because, and I don't disagree with you, Wang, even though they're using him for a lot more, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't change. His character didn't change. Right. They're just, like, I'll wait until you watch the next one. Sure. But his character, even then, doesn't change.

It's just using him for more like bits. You know, similar to what they did in Guardians of the Galaxy, right? So, um, Dax. So he was still the same kind of character in the second one. But he's there to just throw jokes. He's just, it's like everyone's throwing jokes. He had much less of a, I agree. That makes me nervous.

He had much less of a story arc. I think the only, he might be the only character that I really think. I know he had that bonding with Mantis where he just wasn't into it. And then him and Mantis became really close. Yeah. And I think the bigger story arcs for Guardians too, I know you don't love that film. I don't. is Rocket and then Gamora and Nebula.

Yeah. It really is just that like rocket really coming to terms with, okay, yeah, I'm a monstrosity, but this is my family. I'm full of monstrosity. Like that kind of connection. So I get it with Drax. If all it is, it's like, you can't even see me. I'm just.

Yeah. Funny. Yeah. I don't mind. And again, that's the thing is it's not like I'm sitting here like this. That's not funny. It is. There's just, I don't know.

I said this, I don't know where the hell I said it, but I think that I get nervous with how much Marvel is really leaning into comedy. Now, this show is supposed to be comedy. It's supposed to be, it's supposed to be this 22 minute, 30 minute episodic thing, and it's succeeding at that. And I think that it does more so. I think that I want it to tread lightly and don't start tiptoeing into like CW territory. I totally understand that. And I think we're a long way from that. I mean, I know that we're moving in a direction, but we are a long way from that. And I think the bigger thing,

and that's part of it, is a lot of it has to do with the tone of the character. She-Hulk was always going to be like this. Miss Marvel was always going to have more of a, you know, kind of a teenager kind of type tone. I love that show, too. But then, like, Moon Night, for example. Sure, you had some comedy there,

but it was pretty serious the whole time. You did a lot of murders, like, trying to figure out this mystery of why I keep dissipating at it like and losing my mind like there's there's a lot of different angles and I think well hold that thought because you bring up moon night and so that's my thing sometimes I wonder if marvel's like oh it's getting a little too serious we got to throw some stuff in because I think of right away in the moon night thing where you're having this serious moment where he's trying to balance between the two and Stephen right so Stephen is and mark yeah and yeah but it's Stephen who starts like

shadow boxing like the demon dog and like to lighten up the mood and it's It's consistent with this character, but I was like, we're in the middle of this serious thing. And here's this guy now goofing around. But then if you watch the whole series, it does play in. But I don't know. I just get thrown off sometimes because I think that I'm just so beaten down by all of the goofy humor. And I get Moon Knight would have been a little closer to that potentially. I just don't think the only time I might get really concerned about this is if once we get a ghostwriter,

once Blade comes out, if that happens. we're having a different conversation, but I think all the rest of the characters that we've been talking about and the things around them, it does lend itself to comedy. I will, I will, I still rock with Love and Thunder.

I will concede to you, especially doing our rewatches and all that, that probably the best balance is Infinity War Endgame Thor. Yes. I would say maybe even more so Infinity War over Endgame because they were really,

really leaning into the, the, the, leaning into fat Thor was leaning closer and closer to love and thunder for being honest. That was, that was kind of the perfect tee up to end up into love and thunder. If that, that was, so if you're looking for that balance of like, I can still crack jokes, but I'm also, then it's Infinity War, Thor. But that being said, we're about to get more characters that this ain't a joke. Like, Black Panther too, man. I can't, I can't have thrown a lot of jokes.

There will be because of just black humor in general. So sure he's going to probably say some stuff. Like there will be things like that because you see that levity. But you're right. It is very serious for the most part. It has to. But look, it's, and again, it's not that there can't be jokes in it. There should be.

And I always use this example when I throw around like Star Wars, right? To me, the perfect use of Star Wars and humor and consistency to character is in the Mandalorian season one when he's trying to get his ship back with the Jawa. He's sitting there with the Jawa's, and the Jaws are laughing at him because he can't speak Jawanese. And then Nick Nolkley's character goes, they're making fun of Jawa. He's like, how you can't understand him? He's like, can you understand this? And he tries to let him on fire.

It's consistent to the Mandalorian. He's not like going, oh, yeah, well, you're going to be burning hot now. He just tries to set him on fire. That in itself is hilarious. Yeah. And like Bill Burr, the way that he consistently, himself and things. And there are things that characters do, Tony Stark. Yeah.

The Galactica stuff. What was it? That man's playing whatever it was. That man's playing Gallagher. Right. Gallagher, right. Like, that's, I have no issue with that because that's consistent. Tony Stark, I just rewatched one and two with my daughter.

Consistent. No, Iron Man. Consistent with him. So it's not that I don't mind humor. It's consistency to character and not just like, you know, like, you can see people sitting around a room. And this doesn't really relate, excuse me, relay to She-Hulk because it's a, supposed to be a comedy so you can see, I give it more of a pass because I worry in a screenwriting

room when they're in a writer's room during one of the big movies. And they're like, oh, you know what? This would be a perfect time for so-and-so, Surrey, to say a joke right here about this, this is, oh, that would be hilarious. It'll get such a big reaction. And I wish, and I want somebody to go, yeah, but that's kind of bringing down what we're trying to do here in the mood. It doesn't seem like that happens a lot of times. And Shee Hulk, they have to be going for the joke a lot the time so I can see where the balance shifts. I get it more. I mean, that's, I guess the thing that's so interesting is, and that would be a fun,

I mean, I know we're sort of having it right now, and I'm curious what Koi thinks. I think, who's that? You're fired. It's not fired, I'm kidding. It'll be back. And just for that big shot, you got a one-on-one with the Undertaker. Yeah, that's right. I just, it's one of those things that if you go and look at a lot of those.

characters, the only one that I think I can fully concede to you at this point is Thor. The rest of them stay pretty within their lane. Like, I mean, even Cap being still Cap, and then the one little joke in Endgame is, that is America's ass. Like that, you know what I'm saying? Dr. Strange, too, man. And Dr. Strange 2 when, and they did it because it's a Ramey movie and the movie was made for Ramey fans.

It's because when he was. Oh, the Bruce thing? Bruce Campbell. When he's beating the piss out of himself, evil day. It was a throwback to Evil Dead. And it was like, oh, hey, it was so like, hey, look at all the stuff we've accomplished. And this is our, and I get it. For Evil Dead fans, they lost their minds, right?

And I don't like Evil Dead. But I didn't think it had a place there, just Bruce Campbell beating the shit out, beating the crap out of himself. Like that type of stuff. So the only thing that I will say about that, and I think that's kind of what's going on here. Um, Faggy has loosened the reins a little bit for the people that are now allowed to he's letting people go.

I think that's going to stop now. I think that's going to start to see a situation where it'll be a case by case basis. Yes. I don't think it'll be everybody's allowed to do it. I think it'll be because the rumor was like with Ryan, for example, because of right cooler. Yeah. The rumor was that Figi was doing his Figgy thing.

But because we. were dealing with such a black centric thing and because Ryan had already kind of proven his metal of like like with the creed story let me show you my vision he got a little bit looser on the reins to do whatever but then like you look at some of the other films um say like captain marvel for example that felt like that was pretty tightly gripped yeah and they were doing what they were doing and ironically the ones that have resonated with people a little bit more tended to be the ones where they kind of let the cooks cook. Like the Russo's, yeah,

Feige was kind of, but the Russo's just got the chance to just go. Yes, but there's a difference though as well. It depends on story, right? Bringing a director in to put forward their vision and not have them in the handcuffs, of course that's what you want, because otherwise why do you hire them? Right.

But you want to stay within the tone of the story to make sure it doesn't overpower your movie. Sure. So, like, I bring up Ramey again. Like, Ramey's style overpowered Dr. Strange. Absolutely. Tycho Watiti overpowered Love and Thunder. Yes.

So when you bring up something like the Rousseau's, their style, even though it's action heavy and all that type of stuff, that's their style, even though it maybe overpowers the movie, the thing is it's consistent with the story that they're telling. So when you start to shift away from the story and you start to shift away because of the director's style, that's the issue, right? and you had that same issue with, and most people have that same issue with Eternals. Oh, I liked Eternals.

Oh, you did? I did. So some people do. But that's, the funny thing is, that was Chloe's style everywhere. It was. And I think maybe because I love that style, and I like that,

that a little bit more, it was more serious. It had, there were jokes in it. There were stuff that was in, but it was very serious. It was serious. And I think that maybe that's why I responded to it a little more,

and I liked going outside a little bit more of the typical, traditional thing that we've been doing. So I really like the journals. I'm one of the few. You know what's funny, though? I think the only director that I think truly maybe, like, missed the mark on the tone is maybe just we've gone too far, like you said, with Tyca. And again, I still love it, but I can, I can openly admit everything that people are saying.

I can get with that. And then, um, oh Lord, my brain just went out of my head. Um, I, I forgot,

but it's, it's fine. But like, Eternal's, for example, for anybody that's read those books, there's not really a funny thing. Their existence is just constantly sad.

I know. It's the fact that exactly as you, they're just, they're just slaves to the Celestials. Yeah. They are literally just there to protect humans, but only so that the Celestials can harvest people and Like multiply.

You think they're going to announce Eternals 2 at D23? I think it's too soon. And I think it's too soon because that wasn't your, that wasn't your one that did bread and did, there will be a second Eternals, but that wasn't the one that like did gangbusters. If I had to guess, Shung Chi is getting an announcement before,

before, before Eternals does. Okay, so Shung Chi is probably a good one to talk about as well, right? I think Shung Chi, to me, is a good blend where they use, I think Aquafina was used very well in that because she had a character that had a purpose. Her character was funny. Ben Kingsley was much better in that than he was in other stuff

because his character inside, what's his name? Iron Man 3, Trevor Slattery, right? His tone fit, surprisingly enough, because when that movie needed to be serious, the serious things worked. When it needed to be emotional, it worked. When there needed to be humor, The humor worked.

So that's a movie that I think had a nice balance to it for sure. You're talking about Shonji. Yeah, yeah, no, no. And I think the other part of it, too, is you essentially, for lack of a better example, Aquafina essentially played the role of like a cat Dennings in that, in that. Yes, but less. Same purpose, but wasn't there to just go,

less, less Thor more Wanda vision. Yes, she was great. That's what I'm, I'm at that cat denizens. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yes. She was great in Wanda Vision. Great. So I think, you know, that's the one thing that I think they are doing well is I do think that for the most part the comedy is working. I get that people are like, oh, you know, I'm not here for the jokes. And I'm like, all right, it is what it is.

When we get to the major events. In general. In general. In general. We get to the major events. People will get serious. Because, like, when the one thing I will give him credit, maybe the first battle with Boer, Thor was still a little jokey because he was also like, Jane's here and so was meal, so he's a little confused. So you're going to lean to the comedy there.

But when the final fight actually happened, I know the children part threw you off. Thor was dead serious. He was. And the second half is way better than the first. I think so. The second half is, there's no, as much as I don't love that movie, the second half is way better. And I am, it's coming out soon on Disney Plus. So I'm going to.

Not already? Maybe. I'm going to be watching it for short. Okay, there was a lot of stuff I think that it was kind of a balance between She-Hulk And I think I'm probably going to do a clip out On the big thing clips channel Just say is there too much

Too much humor in Marvel right now? So that's kind of what that was She-Hulk But if you want to make the general argument I wouldn't fault you but I don't I want to hear what the audience. I'm curious. Yeah, let's hear what the audience says So make sure you comment and let us know In the comments for the Clips channel

And this channel, obviously. Okay, I do want to jump around And let's go here. We're speaking to Shee Hulk, I'm staying with Sheihulk. Sheeulk, attorney at law, creative team, and star Tatiana Mislani, breakdown today's big cameo. So, spoilers if you haven't seen it, if you haven't seen it, then you shouldn't been listening to this show.

So attorney, Jessica Gowt, director, Kat Koro, and Tatiana Mislani all weigh in. Okay, so someone told me Jessica Gow didn't write the third. I thought this was another situation where there was one main writer in like a room that, like, helped, but then there was just them. I don't know. Well, so Megan the Stallion, who I knew very well going into the show, made her Marvel Cinematic Universe debut, originally revealed as an Asgardian shapeshifter.

The Real Deal showed up in a post-credit scene for a twerking session with the show's sensational lawyer-turned-superhero. This is one of the MCU's biggest celebrity cameras to date. That's hilarious. So what made the Wop Singer the right choice for Jennifer Walters' latest case? We knew for that story we needed a famous, beautiful, successful woman. Jessica Gow tells the TV line, we were going through all possibilities,

but when it came down to it, Jamila, Jamil, who plays Tatiana and New Megan from working on HBO's legendary together. Oh, that's pretty cool. And brought it up. We were like, don't say it if it's not really true. Don't tease us with this. That's really, that's fun. As for the twerking scene, Cat Coro reveals it wasn't scripted and actually happened naturally on set. That's pretty amazing. The dancing was actually added to the script on the day, Tatana was so excited, the filmmaker says she's the world's biggest Megan the Stallion fan and we were like, we've got to give her something, so they threw together this dancing scene. Tatiana Mizlani was understandably a little star struck, but yes, that really was her pulling off those moves while decked out in a motion

capture shoot. That was all me. That was all me. The actor laughed. It was a dream come true. It was like absolutely top moments on set. Anything I've ever done. That's pretty cool. I was shaking and I was nervous and then the music played and I was like, I'm gonna make in the Stallion music video. I mean, it's pretty adorable. It was a fun moment. That's for sure. Not every fan has embraced the cameo. But, oh, really? That's interesting. But in listening to Starlight Megan. Oh, absolutely. And I'll tell you why a lot, like, it's, it's not to even go there. I want to get a strike on that one. I just turn the volume off.

But yeah, the, dude. I'm still going to do it on. Oh, it re. Yeah, there you go. But there's a. I just. I mean, that's pretty fine. But I'll tell you why.

A lot of the people that weren't going to get behind it is going to be a lot of like kind of dude bro stuff. It's just good fun, dude. Like it's one of those things in the same way that instead of She-Hulk, If it had been like, I don't know, Spider-Man, and then all of a sudden it was like, who's- David Lee Raw, that's current. No? It's not current? No.

I'm trying to think, I'm trying to think, if all of a sudden Spider-Man was just like kicking it with Bieber or something, like, you know, I know. I know, you know- I heard of him. Like. Jason Bieber, right? Yeah. I've heard of him.

I heard of him. Like, it's just good, like who- Well, Roxy said this. Roxy said this yesterday. And I think this is this is what people don't understand. People think. And so to start it back when it comes like, say something like Ms. Marvel. So when that trailer hit, we talked about it on this show.

We talked about other things. Like I saw that trailer and I said it's got a Scott Pilgrim vibe. It looks really fun. But it looks like it's aimed towards my 10-year-old daughter, which essentially it was. However, I found myself really enjoying the show because of the family dynamic, the great performances by the kids. and it was the family stuff that I actually liked way more than the superhero stuff itself inside of it, right? But again, it wasn't aimed towards me

and some stupid ass on the comments was like, oh, a little bit of a white guy doesn't take it same to him. It's like, no dumb, dumb. It's literally not. But the point in this story, it wasn't aimed at me because it was aimed towards younger girls and families and stuff too. But that being said, I found out myself really enjoying it. but there are tons of people who didn't enjoy it

and maybe didn't relate to it, you know, feel that family element didn't like it. Same goes for She-Hulk, and this is what Roxy was saying yesterday. And Roxy said, this show is aimed towards her. It is aimed towards millennial women. It's aimed towards women. Now, you don't have to like it because if you're like, well, it's not aimed for me,

I can't relate to it. I don't like the characters. Then you have the right to that. But you can also look at it and say, oh, why do you like it? Because you're an MCU stand? No. I like it because it's, it's,

It's clever. I didn't think the jokes looked good in the trailer. I remember you were the biggest person looking at the trailer and going, I am not going to like this show. But I gave it a shot. And you've been enjoying it. And I, here's the thing that I think people forget so hard.

Stop trying to please everybody. Yeah. Because you look at any artist, like, for example, Meg the Stallion, just because that's who we're talking about. She was in the show, right?

Yeah. She doesn't make music for every person in the world. You physically can't do that. It's impossible. That's any artist. But that's my whole point. Yes, absolutely. Richard Pryor is one of the greatest comedians of all time.

He did not write his jokes for white people. He wrote his jokes for black folk that understood and white people found it funny. Because he's just, he is so pointed at what he wants to talk about. It's hard to dismiss how good it is. Absolutely. It's the same thing could be said about Black Panther. the same thing can be said about so many different forms of art, music, movies, TV, whatever. And that's to me where I feel like, again, get out of your hater mode for two seconds

and genuinely look at something and be like, all right, I know you ain't talking to black ass, grew up in suburban Dallas, like whatever as Winston A. Marshall. But even though you wrote it for Roxy, is this a situation where like I can still look at it and go okay that's pretty funny like maybe I don't get that joke because I'm not a woman but is that still you know what I'm saying? Yes but also it's also very fair to say hmm watch two episodes not for me going to bail I'll watch the next thing absolutely absolutely but to to go after crap on it but but even even if you're going to look it's okay to be critical of something that's part of me that's okay critical you can say I don't like

this show this show like look the same way what I think that a lot of of people do, and I'm not saying you're doing this right now, but a lot of people do feel like they've got to defend it because somebody, there are a lot of haters out there and they feel like, look, then just give it a shot or just do this and just, it's like, no, you can be as critical as a movie that we thought, like, so look at the monsters, that trailer alone, wrecked that, that trailer to pieces. Rec, now, I think it looks terrible. And I'll look, I'll watch the movie and I will say if it's good and I'll also say if it stinks,

right. People should have the right to say, I don't like this show. I think the show stinks. Absolutely. when they start to get into this ridiculous political agenda on both sides. Yes. On both sides that has happened many times over and started to happen, especially in the fandom, that they feel like they have to, A, they feel like they're being attacked, whether it's on, whether it's, and again, I know that this isn't necessarily a left versus right thing, but it's very similar to the way that left versus right fights each other all the time.

And that's what it feels like. You have these people who are just whether they feel like they have to defend this show that they didn't write. They didn't star in. they didn't do it. And then you feel these other people who just feel like they have to hate it to hate it. And they're different. It's a, it's a television show. It's like when you have like Sebastian,

what are you talking about? There's a green woman winning law cases and you're getting angry about it. Go and have a sandwich. I think that is, that is definitely it. We have gotten to a place. on every level, on every side where people are so sensitive about stuff and I think why people get so upset

and understandably so this whole narrative oh the MCHU type stuff it's like or there are Marvel characters of all elks and they're getting now to other characters they haven't talked about and just let it be. And even if it is, why do you care?

It's like don't watch it. It's like one of these reports and you're making a stance and they're still going to make this stuff and it's like and I'm again no one, especially me. I'm not saying no one. It's not true.

There are a lot of people that tell you like, oh, maybe if you weren't such a misogynist for this, you would watch the show. And for a lot of people that very well might be true. But there are other people who just don't like it and they're unfairly, and this is what I mean, both sides. They're unfairly attacked.

If someone, like, when I didn't like the CGI on it, like, or bring up that Miss Marvel thing. I didn't think it was aimed at me, so I automatically didn't want to see a show with brown people in it. It's like, well, that's freaking stupid. And that happens to a lot of people who are just taking your, opinion out, they throw it back in your face, and it's both sides that do stupid things.

Do you ever, did you ever watch the show, Adam Ruins Everything, Adam Conover, all that kind of stuff? One of the things that was, I went to an event, and someone was just talking about him casually, and they were like, Adam's one of the few people that reads the article to the end. What my issue is with everybody is that we've gotten so clickbaity, so I just read the one line of a tweet, Not even the full tweet, not even what the context was, just the one little thing. You see Marvel woman lead. You go, ah! Like, you know what I'm saying?

But it's just the politics of the country and stuff, too. Absolutely. That's the problem is that right now, this country in general, both sides are very angry. Absolutely. Everybody is angry. So whatever side you're on politically, it doesn't just fall into politics. It falls into everything. It falls into whether or not, you know, the stuff that you're watching, the music you're listening to, all this stuff.

and people are just angry. And again, it's both sides. Like, there are a lot of people who feel like they're on their, they're on one side and they're fighting the right side. So they're going, oh, you know, we're the ones in the right. You're not. It's like people are just screaming at each other. And the overall, the bottom line is it's a comedy television show.

Absolutely. It's it. Essentially where we're at at this point is if collectively a society, if we're all the Hulk, every little like one of these is like a, Like you're building into the rage. And I, and I, and that is part of the problem. I just need everyone to take a deep breath. Yes.

And there's tons of shows out there, dude, that do it on both sides, right? So like, if you look at one side that's just going, like before the show comes out, they're riling people up to hate it because it's the, like you said, the MCU and they're like, get ready. It's going to be another one where they're trying to take us down. And then it's the other side of it going, look out. Here's these people, these people don't like it. So they're obviously, they're the bad guy.

And it's like, no. Just, I just wish that everybody. could look at the show and do do one do this i really liked it or it stinks bye and that's it leave it at that's it why didn't why do you why do you like it i'll tell you why do you think it stinks let me tell you okay good i didn't like it well that's good good for you roxy and i had a great conversation the other day about game of thrones right i have loved every single second of both episodes there are certain scenes in episode one that she didn't and the fans tore her apart which was Stupid.

Really stupid. And I said on the show yesterday, a big thing, I said, okay, so this is ultimately what I think is, could be the same exact thing. If Roxy gives her points and I look at her and I go, I hear what you're saying. I disagree with you. And here's why I disagree with you. Okay, great. Okay, you liked it?

I didn't. Or vice versa. Let's move on. And that doesn't happen. It's like everybody's got to prove a point and show it how much smarter they are. And because it's the other thing, you're on the other thing. you're on the other side of the screen, so you're not a real person.

And that's the thing that's wild to me. They're, the funny thing is for a majority of the people that are on the internet, and again, on both sides of this, I agree with you with that. Everybody got a big mouth. Yes.

We got a big mouth when it's nothing but a keyboard. And it's this. Oh, yeah? Yeah? All right. I'm going to show you. Here we go. Come on everybody who's on my side.

Retweet that because I'm not going to convince you. anybody else, except the people who are already on my side. It's funny because what I've found is that I've, I've never been one that, like, actually likes to fight. I'm that person that I'm like, if I get into a fight, I'm hitting you over a chair to start the fight because I'm trying to end it immediately. Like, I'm not.

I'm not. They ain't, no, okay, come on, square up, man. I'm like, what's so funny is that everybody who's doing that, both sides are sending that tweet, you don't realize this, that at a time, when you're not on the same page as the people on your side, they will turn against you. Absolutely.

Both sides. Absolutely. No, no. A thousand percent. Like, I have a lot of conversations, you know, behind closed doors with my girlfriend about where some stuff, like, we are very progressive where we're like, yep, I agree with that. I agree with that.

And then there will be one thing that happens and I go, I'm telling you. I feel like y'all are reaching, man. Y'all are reaching and I don't like it. And you can't say anything on Twitter because if you do, then you're fighting against the team. agenda. I'll give you the best example. This one killed me, bro. On TikTok, you saw probably a while ago Drew Barrymore heard about this. She was running in the rain. She was like, oh my God, the rain is so

amazing. Like go out, appreciate nature, appreciate life, right? This black woman goes on TikTok thinking she got the hottest take ever. She's about to get Drew. She's like, your white privilege ass, you just out here. I would love to enjoy rain. And you know, black people enjoyed rain before white people did, and you just out here. This isn't real. I will show you the video. She's like, she's like, you, you're out here with your privilege. You think you could just do whatever you want. Rich, white woman doing whatever.

Black people ripped her a new one. There was a few that were like, yeah, get her. But 90% were like, we don't associate with her. She does not speak for us. Like, do you, Drew, but like you are ridiculous. And that's the thing. I just need people to honestly look at a situation. Right.

And be like, is this a scenario where, yeah, Someone is actually persecuting somebody. You're going to hurt somebody. Is the fight worth fighting? Or are you just, are you just blowing smoke, bro? There are definitely fights that are worth fighting, but it just seems like everybody thinks everything is worth fighting.

And it is not the case. And Shee Hulk is not the case. It's not the case. It's so silly. Like, like, what's so funny about all this is that when I talk about, like, if I was good, could talk to my friends back home and I was like, hey, do you guys know about that big discourse going on with like the Last Jedi? and they'd be like, shut up, nerd, let's go get pizza.

Like, what are you talking about? Like, it's not real. No one's fighting over a Star Wars movie. I'm like, no, no, no, it's true. Like, no, you're making it up because you want it to sound more important than it is. And it's so ridiculous. It's so ridiculous. It's wild.

The only thing, well, no, I won't. I would stay out of it. I'm going to, I wasn't going to say specific about The Last Jedi. I was like, I'm glad we're, like, talking about stuff, but I realize that none of the discourse is actually helpful. Like there's very little of it that's like productive. No, there's something like that's what I'm saying. That's why I'm saying fight the fight when it's worth fighting the fight.

Like we know many people, many people that we work with that just tweet to tweet. And it's like, I saw something this morning. And I'm like, look, I get that you're like calling out for people and there's things you want. And sometimes it's like a call for support and it makes you feel better. But like call somebody. Talk to somebody. Because it's like that's the type of stuff that I just feel like if you start yelling and screaming into the wind, it's like, everyone on your side is going to go, yeah,

and then everyone else against your side is going to go, shut up, stupid. You're never going to convince the person on the other side. Absolutely. And that's what conversation is supposed to be for. Conversation is supposed to be, okay, you and I are going to talk. Now, do I think I'm going to sway you into my point of view? No, but I hope from talking to you eye to eye as a human being that you can understand where I'm coming from. See it a different way.

And maybe see in a different way, understand what I'm saying. And we go, all right, and we shake hands. that's it, as opposed to if I say something to you on Twitter and then go and then I walk away, we can't have that conversation. The full problem is we do not respect each other's humanity anymore. Not on social media. We don't. Face to face, I think we do. But see, I think the problem is because of, if you think of social media as like alcohol, because of how drunk we get off of social media and all of that kind of stuff, we act like asses in person too. Because people aren't real on the other side of the computer. So it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

I'm surprised you haven't started using this more often, but the big trend right now for people that are hardcore Twitter warriors and TikTok and folks and all that kind of stuff is people will just respond by saying, go outside and touch grass. Yeah, right. It's literally you are not living in the real world, go outside and touch grass.

Because I gave up on it. If you go to my Twitter, it's retweet, it's responses to a few people who are asking about whether it's stuff that we're doing or it's other things. I don't get into that discourse stuff Even in response to a negative comment I don't even try Like even on YouTube

I used to like go back and try to be Sometimes I'll throw some silly stuff in there right Like someone If someone writes SMH Do you come and I go oh don't don't SMH You'll hurt your neck right Like stupid things Like I'll do stupid things like that

But I don't think it's worth fighting Because I don't know that person Then that's the different That's what I realized When I was having the conversation With myself And I said these people that I'm getting mad at and yelling back on social media or YouTube when they're responding, how do I know that that person,

if I met them in person and had a slice of pizza with them, that I wouldn't find one of my new best friends? How do I know that? I don't know that because I don't know that keyboard to that comment. I'd rather have a conversation with somebody back and forth, understand why. And there's some people, Winston, that are just there to spew hate and they'll come back. And there's other people who, people who do want to have a conversation. And I think that's more helpful. It's interesting because one of my best friends in the whole world was actually one of my bullies in like middle school. And one day I'd like snapped and I was like, I will beat your ass. And then after like we've been thick as thieves since. Like I was, and that was in person. Well, it was also in person. So it's

even worse on the internet. You know what I'm saying? It's even worse. It's way worse on the internet. Because that probably doesn't happen if it's inside. Because you just write something back and he goes, oh yeah. And he writes to it because he doesn't see your eyes. He doesn't feel the emotion. There's an energy when you're talking to somebody. You and I have been having a conversation for the last 15, 20 minutes, right? And we understand each other. We're friends, but we understand because there's a vibe and there's an energy that we're

talking about. We understand that it's a serious conversation and everything too, but you don't pick that up because at the same time you're tweeting something out. Something else in your house could be going on. Now, whether it's someone screaming at you or it's a dog biting at you and you're like, I don't have time for this. Eat shit. And then you walk away.

Right. And that's the type of stuff that people don't understand because it's just been synonymous with our life is this weapon that you now have in your hand. It's it's the fact that like on top of that too, and this is why I keep saying keyboard warriors, it's one of those things where I'm like, if you're this angry, if you really bout that life, then put your money where you're like, like I said, it was a scenario where I was getting bullied enough. I mean, it took time because I was, you know, I was a teenager. But I eventually was like enough. And there was a physical element to it. There's no physical element of me just tweeting at you constantly to the point where like someone goes, and that's enough of that.

And now all of a sudden this becomes a thing. You know what I'm saying? Of course. There's a level of it's, again, it's not real. It's not real. And I think that that's, but again, and this is not, and I said it and I'll say it again, this is not directed at one particular group. This is directed at everyone.

There are many people that are on, that have the same beliefs as I do that are terrible on the internet. There are people who have opposing views that are great on the internet. But there's a balance. And remember this. And I say this a million times and I will say it again, the best person that you know in life, the best person, if you think of the best person that you know when you think of them, they have access to the internet. Now think of the worst person you ever met in your life or that you ever saw on television. The worst person, they have access to the internet. That's the problem. That is the problem. But look, we didn't talk about anything. I shouldn't say that.

We talked about Shio for long time. Was there any other news? I mean, there might be. Well, let's see if we have anything else before we go. I just thought it was a pretty interesting conversation to have overall. Once we got started, I don't blame it. Oh, Brendan Gleason is going to be, I love Brennan Gleason. So he got cast in Joker, Folly Adieu, adds Harry Potter and in Bruges star, Brennan

Gleason for the musical sequel. I'm so curious where this musical sequel thing is. So Folly Adieu just made another impressive addition to it's, ensemble cast as Harry Potter and the guard star Brendan Gleason will start he's also Braveheart man do you have you watch Braveheart yet oh man before you leave here I'm gonna give you I'm gonna give you that okay um anyway he's gonna start with Lady Gaga and Joaquin Phoenix awesome poor set Gleason I love him in brew and he's in bruce yeah he's so he's so good in that and he's great in everything he's um okay well good so he's coming back so that's that's a

casting news that we know so deleted team for the 11th Thunder I'll see what this is. Thor, Love and Thunder deleted scenes sees the heroes encounter Zeus's other son. The first deleted scene from the upcoming Thor Love and Thunder Blu-Rour has been released, giving us a look at a moment featuring Zuss' other son that wound up on the cutting room floor. Following the digital debut next week, Thor Love and Thunder is set to be released on DVD and Blu-ray on September 27th.

That's my daughter's birthday. And the first of four deleted scenes has now been shared online. In looking for Zeus, we see Thor, Corg, and Valkyrie arrive at Omnipotent City, seeking an audience with Russell Crow's lightning god. Instead, they run into his other son, Brett Goldstein's Hercules debuts in the mid-credit scene, Dionysus, played by veteran stage and screen actor Simon Russell Beale. The hedonistic deity isn't particularly helpful

shrieging off Thor's request before leaving pre-orgy drinks. Right, it's another goofy scene. I mean, I'll probably... You probably love it. There's probably some goofy... Anything else before we get out of here? I'm not sure. Let's say, Spider-Man, No Way Home. It doesn't sound...

The re-releasing it. You heard that, right? On Spider-Man, yes, I heard that, but let's actually, let's end with this. Okay. This is a DC story here that I'd like to talk about. It doesn't sound like potential new DC films boss, Dan Lynn. That's something we haven't talked about. Dan Lynn, who I remember back in the dad, my friend Steve used to be his assistant.

Oh, wow. And Danlin was a very big executive over at Warner Brothers, and now he's going to potentially be like the new FIGIs, what they're looking at. So he is the new DC films boss, and he made some comments about the Snyderverse fans, that have caused quite a few people on social media to get very upset. Find out what he had to say after the jump. I didn't hear this. I didn't either.

All signs point to Dan Lynn taking charge of the DC extended universe in this new Warner Brothers Discovery era, and it certainly sounds like he's a fan. Very nearly handed the keys to the kingdom back in 2008 when he was overseeing George Miller's Justice League mortal. Lynn, and I had just left at that point. Lynn is clearly someone David Zoloft feel has the potential to be the DCEU's Kevin Feigy. It's not like that he could deliver anything worse than the rocky journey we've spent the past decade embarking on,

but it also appears Dan Lynn might be the last person Zach Snyder fans will want to see jump to the top. Recently, we've been hearing rumblings that the current Warner Brothers regime is having serious regrets about giving it to fans and releasing the Snyder Cut on Justice League. The perception is to release the Snyder Cut campaign was made up of bots and bullies, and the movie debuting on HBO Max gave into a toxic fandom in a way that's made the situation worse, not better. forgetting the good many of those fans did, of course, but this is forgetting the good many of those fans did. Oh, this is forgetting that the good, there was a lot of good that many of the fans did, of course. But appears Lynn has that same thought process and a resurfaced interview with the Ancler Hot Seat podcast from early last month. The producer looked back at nearly being put in charge of the DCEU, prompting the host to joke that it might have led to those crazy Snyderverse fans coming after him.

Lynn responded by saying Snyder enthusiasts are autobots suggesting he's of the opinion that most of the filmmaker supporters are in fact paid for bots, something the Army of the Dead's Oscar Winn suggested may be the case to some degree. That's the other chatter online that Lynn really doesn't like,

there's other chatter online that Lynn really doesn't like Snyder. So those of you hoping that his Snyderverse will be restored, looking set to be majorly disappointed. It doesn't mean some familiar faces won't return or that Lynn intends to fully reboot the franchise. We don't really know what he has planned or if he's going to accept the job. There's a lot to unpack. There's a lot to unpack there, and I know we're running along on the show.

Well, first of all, what do you think about Dan Lynn coming in? I mean, based off of what I heard about him, I think that if he can have that same vision as Figey, I think that's exactly what Warner needs right now. He was very respected when I was here. Remember him being like... Where are we talking about? Warner Brothers. Oh, at Warner.

Okay, so he's been in Warner this whole time. I don't know where he is now, but he was a one. He certainly was, that's what I said in 2008. I was, when I was there from 2004 until 2008, he was there. And he was very respected. And he was like, and I always remember whether I was working for David Gambino or Eric Olson at the time. And it was like, if Danlin calls, you take the call, you do this. You know, it's like, it's Danlet.

And so when Danlin was, it's funny, I reached out my buddy Navid, who's been on the show many times. And I was like, it's such a stupid text conversation. I got to read this out. Because I wanted to see if I could get Dan on the show. He has Navid's buddies with him. So this is so stupid. There's going to be a curse in here. So I want to warn everybody.

So if your kid is, you are cleaning right now and your kid's here, then you've been warned. This is it. Okay. Hey, the big rumor. Oh, wait, wait, wait. Hey, I know you're close to Dan Lynn. Have you talked to him recently?

He's like, well, I haven't spoken to him a little bit. What's going on? I said, big rumor is that he's supposed to be the next Kevin Feigy of DC. see and there's rumors that he's taken he's talking to them about running their entire division i would love to interview him he said yeah i know he is but i'm not being a dick well why would he hire you and and he said why would he hire you and i and then he said oh wait do you mean radio interview because if you want a job there you got to sell yourself for the guy who knows everyone and everything but do you mean for the show and i said i don't want to work for those motherfuckers i said i want to

interview the guy and he wrote ha ha ha and that was and that was i got it okay so not not interview for the job interview. Like, he thought you made it. He thought I wanted to go in an interview with him. That's funny. That's hilarious. That's funny, I'm going to call him right now.

I'm going to call him Levith. I'm going to tell him he's on the air. Oh, my God, dude. Yeah. He usually goes picks up, so we'll see. I'm going to talk to him. Neveed will give us some good insight, too, about this, too.

Okay. But I'm going to let him know he's on the air unless he's doing something. That's why at this point, anybody that I'm industry, anybody with, I immediately go, are you live? Yeah. Like, I tell me. but right away.

I guess he's doing something. He just texted me. All good. Yeah. All good. But, okay, so to quickly answer your question about Lynn, if he has that vision that Figey does and can really see a path and really paint it,

it is what it is. And for anybody to not, I get it where they're saying that there was definitely not as many bots as like are being portrayed. But to pretend like there weren't some, I think is willful ignorance. Rolling Stone had that big, you mean,

or a big report. And so look, here's, here's the thing. Snyder was a, sign had a big, a very big presence of Warner brothers back, even back then,

right? And I remember, I wasn't 300 done through Warner? And so he had, he had, absolutely, he was another one. I remember I was working for,

oh, when I was temping. God, who was it? Oh my God. Jeff, not Robinoff. Oh my God.

I can't remember. Silverman. Silverman was another one of the big guys there. And I was on his desk a couple different times. Then I was temping and I was taking phone calls at one point. And I remember he's another one. Zach Snyder or his wife calling, that goes through immediately, right?

So it was very important, obviously, very respected. But I don't know how him and Dan Lynn got along back then. I know that it was Silverman that dealt with him a lot of the time. So maybe it was Silverman that liked him and maybe, maybe Dan Lynn didn't like him, right? Maybe they had some beef back in the day. I don't know. It's all possible.

But I think that what I, We'll say is this. If they're going to give Dan Lynn job, whether you, it's very similar what we're just talking about with like the Shee Hulk thing, whether you like him or not, or if you're part of the Snyderverse movement or not, you got to respect that this is not a guy who's back and down from anybody. This is a guy. And this is a guy who's going to go, look, this is the way I feel about it. You don't like me? Then don't watch my stuff. And is your right to say, well, I don't like what you said.

And I'm not going to watch it because it's weird. me because they say they're not doing the Snyderverse anymore. And even though they say they're going to have other characters, you are essentially continuing the Snyderverse. Because if Ben Affleck is coming back in Aquaman, Shazam, all these things that are still happening, it's still the Snyderverse. To an extent, yeah.

It's just not the continuation of the story he was telling. Right. Like, you're not going to get all the stuff from Justice League. That's not going to continue on. So maybe it's more of a clear-cut thing of them saying, look, we're not continuing his story, but the Snyderverse, the stuff that he created, and especially if Henry Cavill comes back,

I don't know if you can say that. Yeah, it becomes definitely hard, and I think the problem is a lot of those castings are kind of perfect castings. Like, I don't know, I can't, I can't, I mean, there might be, there might be somebody that I just don't know about yet, but I can't think of anybody other than Henry

that isn't perfect for that. Yep. I think it's one of those things, like, if we're just being fully honest, like, regardless of how you feel about the Snyderverse, there is just so much taint in this era. Just like so much baggage in this era, you kind of have to move on. Well, 100% you have to move on. There's no, there's no doubt about it. And I think that there's a lot that, I think that what happens is when you, I think Warner Brothers what they thought was going to happen. Remember, there's different regimes that were in charge to.

But a lot of things what they thought was going to happen was that they thought, okay, if we do this, then these fans that wanted, they're going to be so appreciative. And that's not how the world works, right? What they want, what the fans want it, whether some of them were bots, there certainly weren't. There were a lot of people who were very passionate about it. Absolutely. And those people were going to go, well, cool, can you give us our guy and let our guy do the thing? That's what they wanted. And that's not what Warner Brothers was willing to give.

It's a give a mouse a cookie scenario. Yeah. It was one of those things that, like, if they had never done, people would still be clamoring, but it is what it, the minute you kind of gave this film, they were like, oh, keep going. Like, you know what I mean? But isn't that also their right to say that? Of course.

Because it was a really good movie. And it's like, so they're like, if I would see myself on like, let's say that Star Wars wise, if there was that Travaro cut, maybe they actually did film that thing, right? And then they shot it and it was all done. And then they, and I was like, let's release. Now I do think that there's a way that you can do it without a tax. everybody like because people got really vicious really vicious and continued in and would go after people like this is the stupidest thing that happened like i remember at one point when when i think was collider

live and someone had asked me about the snider cut and i think i said something like uh i said i don't care right and then it came out to be when i found it was a little more real if you look at us and sien live and all that type of stuff when you look at it i was like and this is way before they even announced it and people were talking about and i was like if it exists you should put it out and and i also didn't know all the stuff about Snyder and his daughter and all these things that you things. But I said that one thing on Clare Live. Oh, there were videos made. There were things like, and all, and it said, oh, but you remember, you said you didn't care.

Like, yeah, but I didn't know all the facts. I didn't know everything at the time. Yeah, I said, I didn't care. And it was like this, it's like, again, going back to what we just talked about, it's this political movement thing that starts to happen. And it's like, I'm tired, Christian, I'm so tired. Yeah, it's tired. I get it.

But it's, but the thing is, but what I say of that is, I do think that there, even though a lot of particular ways that things could come off as toxic and I get it. I think it was a good fight to be fought because I also think that this was a guy that lost his daughter in a tragic way and was removed from a project. The movie is significantly better than what came out. Now, could it have been a theatrical release? No, it's a four-hour film. But it was meant to be watched the way it was and it was fantastic.

I loved the movie. If they were going to do it, you go Matrix Reloaded Revelations, in the sense that you split it into two movies. You really, or even Infinity War Endgame. You're like, great, here is part one of Zach Snyder's Justice League. And then three to five months later. Yeah, yeah, if you want, if you, if you did that way. But I mean, again, by the time that they get there, it's just too late.

But they do this, they spend an extra $70 million to do. And that's probably what probably bites them in the body, especially in the amount of debt that they're in at the moment. So that's probably why they're also a little. scorned and it and it didn't let there are times that it looked like Snyder would say like okay let's do okay everybody behind me go that way it looks like he did that sometimes and there's other times when he did it where he would say and he and he used it for any kind of called out some of the toxicity sometimes too so it's a slippery slope I do agree with you I think for Snyder I think for everybody else it's good for him to move move on but the other thing that people don't realize and I said this on campy's show

the other day is that people are wondering like because bernette brought up and he said he goes okay, look, why don't all these people then follow him, if they love him so much, why don't they follow him over Netflix? I'm like, because they were DC fans first. They, there was a leader that came in and to them, he was the chosen one and he was the guy. But they're DC fans. So they want to see their property thrive.

And it doesn't necessarily mean that they're going to follow him over to wherever he goes. They might, but it's not likely. Because I think the other part of it too is who, like you said, as far as DC fans, who has truly tacked. tackle DC previously and like killed it. And in their mind, he killed it. Like you, obviously you could say, you know,

Richard Donner and everything he did with Superman. Very different though. No, no, no, no, no, I agree with you. I agree. You could say Tim Burton, you know, what he was doing. So there are moments where you could look at it and go, no, no, no, so and so did, but not to the realm of DC fans wanted their universe,

the way Marvel got theirs. Yeah, and they would, and they didn't want, but they didn't want them. to copy it. Oh, no, no, no. Yeah. Agreed. And Warner Brothers was trying to do that.

And Warner Brothers said, well, all right, well, we want to do this. We want to do that. And Snyder said, well, I want to do it my way. And the fans supported him. And I think that they were right to support him. But I don't know how much is true about the bot stuff. And I didn't really dive into that Rolling Stone article. Did you?

I read the whole thing. I didn't really do any kind of follow up to it. I think it's one of those situations where we're probably looking at a two things can be true at the same time. Right. I think that Zach Snyder probably did do some of that bot stuff, but I also think that there's not nearly enough recognition for genuine fans that just wanted to see this happen.

And I think, I think that's the problem. The same angry people we've been talking about on the internet, they see, see, I told you the bots. I'm like, see, I told you they were just out to get everybody immediately is like, I have proof now that you just don't want to hear my side. And there's also proof, by the way. Yes, there are a lot of people. out there and a lot of channels that just want to be,

we're the Snyderverse and we hate your guts and no matter what, I'm going to make videos of you, make fun of you and do all that. There's that pocket of people. There are a lot of really good people who wanted that movie and that fought for that movie and fought for Snyder and did it in a way that was, I thought, not toxic.

And it's not very similar what we were just talking about before. It's not fair to lump them into that because they all, because now the way you look at it, I'm a Snyderverse fan. It's like, oh, you're toxic. That's not true. The reason why is, though, is that negativity and malice and hate tends to be louder. And more powerful sometimes.

And good. I don't know of necessarily overall. On the internet, yes. On the internet, yes. But it just tends to be louder. Yes. It's, you know, these are not the joys you're looking for versus force lightning. Right.

One is flashier. One does a little. They're both pretty dangerous depending on how you use it or, like, powerful. But one is a lot flashier. than the other. Look, this conversation was pretty great. I enjoyed it. I liked it. It's very different capes and cows, but hey, that's what we do here.

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