The Kristian Harloff Show - She-Hulk Episode 5 SPOILER Discussion + D23 Marvel Recap - Capes + Cowls

Episode Date: September 16, 2022

She-Hulk Episode 5 debuted. Some of us liked it, some of us not so much. Is the show losing steam? Getting better? Marvel had a big presence at Disney's D23 convention. We had predictiions. How did they fare? On today's episode of The Big Thing, Capes and Cowls edition, Kristian, Coy and Winston discsuss this and more! Enjoy! Shehulk #Marvel #SecretInvasion #d23 #MCU AMAZON WISHLIST: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/1KPH42T0TP0PG?ref=cm_sw_em_r_un_un_djbxgIW5ZQMMg MYBOOKIE: USE THE CODE BIG THING https://mybookie.website/BigThing JOYMODE: http://www.usejoymode.com/bigthing PATREON: http://www.patreon.com/thebigthingshow SCHMOEDOWN ARCHIVE CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheMovieTriviaSchmoedownArchives Ask Kristian questions for next time! https://facebook.com/harloff Become a Patreon of the Schmoedown: http://patreon.com/schmoedown OTHER GREAT CONTENT: REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT368qY7sfE0nKE4c04CqGvu TV REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT1LU-t2Z9AD5UJDiWW4pS_E STAR WARS SHOW https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT0XmfpbblkF9PY7uO2qhbN6 THE BIG THING PODCAST https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT3KAwbzDsv6mdR-gwUiydQg - CM Punk Interview: https://youtu.be/R8Js8uj6GfE FOLLOW KRISTIAN + FIND HIM ON CAMEO https://cameo.com/kristianharloff https://twitter.com/kristianharloff https://facebook.com/harloff https://instagram.com/kristianharloff Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What's going on, everybody. Welcome back to Big Thing and welcome back to Capes and Cal's, obviously. Man, what an interesting, interesting week it has been. Now, whether it is the D23 recap, which I know I did a little bit so far and talked about my thoughts on the Marvel stuff and the Star Wars stuff, but I think with the guys here, both Winston and Coy, we're going to talk about the expectations that were set, what we thought overall and how that played out shehulk episode five is out would be doing a spoiler heavy discussion of that so have you not seen it then you should know that we're going to be spoiling the hell out of it so you know that there's a lot of other stories that are running around there were things that i saw in comicbook movie.com or something to comicbook dot com and i said this

all sounds foreign to me and then even the guys when they came in here like we've never heard of that so i'm like okay good i don't feel like an idiot so we'll talk about that and see if you guys know what the hell that is. But anyway, I wanted to let you guys know that if you're brand new to the channel and you've never been here before, please go ahead and hit that subscribe button. Trying to get to 70,000 by the end of the year. And we would love for you guys to help us out. I got Andor, at this point, it's Friday. Yeah, my, my Andor immediate reaction, social reaction, is up on the channel. So you can check that out what I thought of the initial episodes that I've seen. So make sure you check that out. We've got a bunch of different things coming out.

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and winston let's talk about d23 and she hulk and other stuff on capes and cows let's do it welcome back ladies and gentlemen capes and cows big thing boy is jandro winston a marshal bro i got to get some of those w rings like in the in the if you go back to the title card for a second yeah oh yeah like i need some i need some w rings that's kind of dope those are pretty great. Those are pretty great. All right, I'm going to fix Winston's shot real quick. That's fine. Just want to make sure you get you.

Eventually I'll do it. It's the one thing about running this thing yourself. No, but you're doing a good job for somebody that's happened to wear a lot of hats. And you've mastered the stream deck. You seem like you really are... I'm liking. I'm like it. Ones and two.

That's the one thing. You know, one thing I did... See? Almost. Almost. You know what I didn't do is I didn't do the... the white balance for that shop, but whatever. That's fine.

It's fine. So, all right, let's get into, let's start with She-Hulk. I want to start with She-Hulk. Let's do it. I like this episode at all. It's my least favorite. And it almost made, I texted both you guys this morning. You did.

I was like, I'm going to talk to that man in a few hours. I know. I said, I said, I think I, I might be out. I liked it more than four or three. Get over here. I loved this episode. Yeah, I like it. This is my third favorite.

It goes to, you won this three four for me it just like what I said and I'll and obviously let you guys kind of give your own thoughts on it but like my my point on this is do I think and some idiot I wrote on my thing I say I think it's a very well written show um it's just not I'm just it's like the way I described it was so you go to a restaurant and there's a dish that comes out and everyone's like this dish is really good yeah but doesn't have the ingredients that I like and that's and that's kind of what it was. And so the way that I kind of looked at it was, it's like

Sex in the City, Season 1 to me related to dudes, women, whoever in season one. And then as it got farther along, I found less and less that I could relate to. And I felt that way with this,

but I also felt like the first two episodes to me connected to the MCU. And this one, the whole episode was about a trademark. Like it should have been a side thing. The whole thing was about a trademark and I'm like, I'm bored. Oh, that's so funny. I wanted

more courtroom stuff. I'm the opposite. I thought that was like at least a chance to dive into the minutia of like what this world would be. I wanted to discuss what the legal ramifications are of duality of two characters. I wanted to discuss what it would be like to try to live in a world where everything's evolving so rapidly. All of that was

like for me and for me the comedy is much more in line of my sensibilities than say Thor, Love and Thunder or some of the aggressive comedy. Like this doesn't feel like Guardians, which is my exact comedy. Guardians, the Galaxy and Deadpool are my comedy. But if you're going to make an approachable comedy, this is closer than Tyca for me. I agree with that. Absolutely. It also is one tone. And I will also tell you that Tatiana Mizlal, everybody in the episode? Crushing it. Crushing it and I thought the delivery

and everything was great. I just don't find the characters to be real anymore. I don't like eggs. Like sometimes you just don't like a thing. You know what I mean? Like a lot of people love eggs. I liked episodes one, two, and I thought that third was good. I didn't like four, and this one, because it's getting so far away. Like, it's not the courtroom stuff that I don't like. I like the courtroom stuff. As I mentioned in Iron Man, too. That seemed real to me.

Sure. Like, with some jokes that are sprinkled in. It just doesn't, it's, I like the dynamic between the two lawyers, between Jennifer and the new lawyer, who then they have to become friends and she reps them and she figures out how to do it. Yeah, but it's like, hugs my God. It's, it's, it's, see, I love the. episode for a number of reasons. I text you back this. One of it, I love the male Edna Mode and that whole thing

with the suit. I thought that was hilarious. The Evander's stuff was stupid. I thought that the Avonders was with the counterfeit event. Yeah, yeah. And that was dumb. It was a bit. That was a bit. Didn't need that, but getting this superhero designer and letting that be the way that we're also sort of getting the nod to Daredevil. I mean, I thought that that was great. But then as far as the courtroom stuff, it's exactly what we were. kind of told, it was Ali McBeal. It's Ali McBeal and a superhero

verse and if anything, I'm surprised you didn't like this because I caught maybe not the aggressive vibes of the boys, but I got a boy's flavor in that in that it was like, okay, so what would the world be like if there were superheroes and then there is an issue where someone goes

I'm claiming that I made you up. Like I said, there are things inside of it that it made sense. None of it to me goes, oh, this is dumb. I get it. I could and stand the designer part, and I'll tell you why. Because I find, like, it's, if the She Hulk walks in, there's two hulks. Yeah, yeah.

Only two. Right. And Sheehold walks in, you're not famous enough. Shut up and make her a suit. She's also been everywhere for the last two weeks. It was dumb. But, see, that, why I like that is because that's exactly how pompous and piece of shit, like fashion designers are.

Like, come on, dude. Literally think Avengers, Incredibles. Think Edna Moe, bro. I know, but the thing is that it's different, though. Edna Mode has people coming in left and right that are the same. This is the She-Hulk. There's one She-Hulk. Yeah, yeah.

One, you get to be the guy that makes She-Hulk because she's not famous enough. That was dumb to me. It was really stupid. I guess that's the thing is that because, again, with the same way with Titania, that we are leaning so hard into, like, making even fun of influencers. Dude, I got some real trauma watching that. that. I had PTSD about some events, man. That was so real. That was so accurate to this town. I've been like, I've been invited to that event. I don't want to go to Shehold makeup opening.

Dude, dude. And on top of that, don't get in line. Why are you getting in line? I was like, oh, that's all pretty smart. And I thought it was funny when she was like, take a picture. Just like, just one. Yeah. There's some funny. Yeah. The thing that would have killed, the fact that she's like, you really taking the picture. But the fact that would have killed me if she had been like, which you've done, I do myself all the time. It's like, fine, I'll take the picture. Then you take a picture of yourself. You're like, take that. I do that to you all the time.

Where were we when I did that? The last taping of the Shmowdown. Oh, okay, yeah. I think I did that to everybody. Anybody who asked me to take a picture, I did that, for sure. So none of us have any photos from the Shmowdown, because it's just a lot of things. It's just a lot of things.

I wouldn't say none of us have any photos. I'd say none of us have any photos of anybody but me. Right, right. So, no, I, like I said, I think that was the episode done well, and that's what somebody said was like, you get too, man, you can just see it was trash. I'm like, no, I won't say.

say that because I don't feel that way. I feel that it was a well-written episode and I started to realize towards it. And this is the example that I gave as well. So when I saw the trailers from Ms. Marvel, I said initially, this looks like something my 10-year-old daughter is going to love, which it turns out she does. And I said, I don't know if I'm going to be able to relate to this. I'm going to watch this. Because I'm going to watch it. I'm going to watch it with my daughter and it'll probably be a nice thing for us to watch. But I don't know if it's for me. And I was wrong because what they did inside of that show is, is they made it about family. And I related to that aspect.

Even though necessarily it was not my culture, it didn't matter because it was still relatable theories with relatable relationships and things. And I felt that. And daughters and stuff, I felt that. The other thing that I also felt that I thought was done, even though the superhero stuff wasn't the stuff that I liked the best,

it still was a relative through line in a Marvel show. And that, to me, is missing in this show. And it's why I was wrong about Ms. Marvel. And I unfortunately starting to be more right about what I was worried about in the initial trailer for She's. So I think what might be going on with that, to be honest with you, is this is where having the extended episode list, you're trying, like, yes, it's a courtroom show. And again, they leaned into that more than the super, like the superhero element was almost a fringe part. By leaning into that and which case we have more court cases and you have more episodes, there is going to be times where we're not as focused on the superhero element of it. Right.

You can see that get pulled out here. But it's very funny that you mention that because I've been trying to get my girlfriend to watch She-Hulk and Miss Marvel for a minute. She gets very, like, we've been on this MCU journey, but she gets very easily daunted. And I was just like, no, no, no, like, trust me, just like watch the show. I promise you. I finally got her to watch the first episode. And she's like, this is incredible. Ms. Marvel.

This. Oh, she has to watch, she hasn't watched Miss Marvel. She has to watch episode one. She just watched episode one. And I know it's going to change. But while I was watching this, I know you are very far removed from the Bachelor world at this point.

The whole storyline that's happening right now with The Bachelorette, they're about to wrap the show. Oh, my wife watches. I've been watching it from Side Eye here. Okay, okay. So even to that point when she brought all of the exes up in the courtroom, and then that whole part and then the other lawyer being,

which I know you're not knocking the writing or the performance on this, but even being like, yo, you deserve better, stop dating all these trash dudes. I think what's hooking me with the show, and I am aware of the fact that they're escaping from the MZU part, they're saying really real things with the themes. And they've been doing that consistently since episode one.

And that's what I'm saying. It doesn't, it's not something to me where I'm going. This is so inconsistent. This is, you're exactly right. They said they were going to give you Al-McBeele. They said they were going to do all this. I thought it was Ali McBeal meets a lot of, like, yeah.

Look, at D-23, which, you're going to do. we'll talk about, we got to see a scene with She Hulk and Daredevil. And it looks great. I think they released it. The one where they were like you can protect people as Jennifer Walters and what you can't, you can protect the She-Holks and it's a full action. They showed the full scene.

It's about three minutes. And it's a good scene. Yeah, I really enjoy it. And it stays consistent with A, Daredevil's character, which I was worried about. And B, it stays consistent with Jennifer Walters as they portrayed her thus far in the series. So, but that's my point. That, to me, is what I want to see in the series overall.

Not just because, oh, of course, just because you want to see Deer Devil. No, no, no, no. I want to see something where her character does not change. Yeah. You get her type of sense of humor, what makes her endearing, but you also get this storyline. And I get what you're saying. You're like, yeah, but in between those, you've got to have these little courtroom things.

I just don't like what I'm seeing so far in that because it's just, it was too much. And that guy with the sneaker thing and I liked him. It was just like, he just turned into a goofball, you know, out of nowhere. It's like they keep turning all these characters into DERRAN. goofball. I mean, but if you remember, he,

he was representing the, the, the asshole that Jen used to work with. But he was serious. He was a goofball then, too. Not like this, dude. I mean,

well, not, well, this is, this is, this is now you're in sitcom mode and he's letting his sneaker head out, but he was still kind of like, out of his element,

especially dealing with the fairy, because, but that's, but he seems like, oh, I got this, and, oh, I know,

what's his name? I know Lewis. Lewis is my buddy. Right, right? Or whatever guy's name us. It was, It was giving him that time to shine. And again, once you get to that sneakerhead element,

now you're bringing out the weirder personality trait of his. Because, like, he was still himself. The only thing that truly rubbed me the wrong way was the Avondres. Like, I get what they were doing, but it was just dumb. Yeah. That was the only part. That felt like we've used that example before. That felt like a snelt bit.

Yes. That, to me, felt like a skit. And, you know, like comedy's going to hit or not. And that's okay. But it's definitely not the same event TV as your WandaVision. or your Loki, and I'm excited to get one of those. I mean, Secret Invasion looks incredible, and I feel like that's going to be back to that, like, event TV,

and, like, the tension week-to-week, the big conversations, the suspense. And that's great, because some people don't want that. Like, some people would rather live in this sitcom world. So I think Marvel's doing a really good job, making sure everything hits someone's market, whether or not it's ours is going to be relative. And that's the other thing that I think is so interesting, is the weird space where they are allowing every individual person to have their show.

Yeah. There is a show. Some people think Hawkeyes, their favorite, and it's probably my least favorite. Like those things are really, because it's exactly that, whatever that is. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Everybody's getting a chance to have their show. I think the thing that's so wild, though, is, and this is where things get a little dicey and a little tricky, you, I almost need someone to come up with a, I need you to watch these three episodes of Moon Night. I need you to watch these two episodes of Miss Marvel because if you are trying to keep up.

Yeah, this is the essential. unfortunately have to watch everything, which is why I would say, giving me the, what is the essential thing I need out of this series? Yeah. I don't like, I don't like,

and I feel like this series is the pilot, and then what last episode, and then maybe whatever the, wherever the Daredevil lands, so that way it sets a Daredevil. That might be it for the show. But I'm sure there's a Cliff Notes, I'm sure there's 87 TikTokers making some sort of,

you know what I mean? And that'll be for someone. But like, you know, we are watching all of it because this is enough for me. Like I'm not disliking it. It's just it's not up there with Loki for me or the shows that are made for it. And I totally, because that's the thing. I can tell you.

But I had more fun this episode than the last two. No, I'm, dude, I love this episode. But, um, but, um, but, you know, his favorite. It's his favorite show. But like, I know, I know my girlfriend. She is going to be, I hope you know your girlfriend. I know, right. She's going to be, she's going to be bored to tears knowing her with both Falcon and Winter

Soldier and with Loki. She's not, she is not going to, she will have moments with Loki, but she will not vibe with either of those shows. You know what's fun for me is it's become this great, like, Bokdal test for me as far as, like, what shows I'm going to talk about which friends. Like, it's not, I don't see it as, like, good or bad. I just know that certain friends are this conversation. And that's fun. The other fun part about it, because we have been so connected this entire time, this is now starting to feel even more like we are dealing with comics.

Right, because I don't talk about X-Men, but some people I talk about Spider-Man with. That's exactly right. Yeah. There are, like, I could give two. I'm trying to stop cussing. I'm trying, I could give two S's about Daredevil, the books. I don't care. I don't care.

No judgment. I'm not surprised. I liked the show a lot, but I just, the character has never resonated with me. Personally. Yeah, yeah. Same thing about the Punisher. There's some stories that I'm really into, but I'm not, but like Spider-Man all day. Right.

X-Men all day. Sure. Like, you know, so that's what's also very interesting. I don't get Century, man. Centries this character. I don't either. I don't get them. I've tried a lot.

But yeah, so I get it. I'm like, some people live by that character. That's what we are now. Yeah, we're living in the comic book store. Not mad at it. Living in the comic bookstore. All right. So, anyway, so look, and it was a short episode also,

so it's one of these things. It's pretty, it's, this is the thing. This is a show that I still stand by, I think, works for 28 minutes, 30 minutes, so much more. I definitely don't want to see this type episode for 45 minutes. Oh, no, that would have been too much. Yeah. And or, in the other hand, should be longer.

And or 35 minutes, 40 minutes. Oh, it's Friday. It's Friday. I was like, what? I was like, what are you doing? You don't pull me into a web of darkness. 35 minutes, 45 minutes. Guys, my, my reaction's been up for a little bit. Holy God.

35, 40 minutes. 35, 40 minutes. And I still think that that's, look, as I said, if you'd look at my initial reaction from last night when I was, when I posted it. I think that it's so, it's crazy how in 35 minutes, how developed, and how tight the script can be. Like people think like, oh, 35 minutes, you can't put that much in. You have to go action, action, action, action. Not true. Now, something like, you know, I still think it'd be longer, but something like She-Hulk, I like the duration of where it's at.

But one of the things that I thought that, as you said, and said it was She-Hulk that I thought worked well, that they did call back all of the dudes who came back and were attracted to She-Hulk, and I'm sure one of them was used in Joy Mode. They must have been. It's even green. No, it's even green. What a transition. They had to.

They had to. They had to use Joy Mode because, I mean, if you want to hang with She-Hulk, I mean, come on, for God's sakes. She-Hulk's going to be very excited, not only for the green packaging, but for everything else. And look, this is phenomenal stuff. and the guys here, like when they, you should ask, Winston, you're a Joy Mode fan? Am I a Joy Mode fan? If I could live.

I'm telling you. Joy mode is, it's no joke. And it's, and the problem is a lot of times when you walk, you, you think, I want to try one of these things, right? And you go to the gas station, you're looking over and you see these pills and you're like, yeah, that'll be good for you. They are not. The gas station pills are not good. You think they are because they're easy to pick up and like, I'll try them out. The stuff in that stuff is terrible for you.

Look, hell, man. Some of the stuff in the prescript. stuff not good for you. But join mode is it's the exact opposite. It's like a pre-workout for sex. That's what they do. That's why they sell it. And that's what it is.

So people, I don't need that stuff. I can perform. It's not about that. Look, if you can't, it's definitely going to help you. But it ain't about that. It's like when you go to the gym and you, I'm going to take a supplement. And you're working out better. Same thing, man.

Yeah. It's the exact same thing. Plus your nipples get hard. There you go. Look, for some people, they have some effects. That didn't happen for me. Tomato tomato. Yeah, either way.

And I'll tell you, like, one of the things that I had always been worried about, I was like, oh, me and when I'm done, though, is am I going to be, like, cutting down plants with, and it's like, no, you're not. It's over. Once it's over, it's over. You're feeling good. Joy mode, it's phenomenal. I love it.

And I'll tell you what, I do it all the time. and I even gave some to whiskey and Lulu. And then now the horse and the donkey together, they had some fun. Joy mode. Thank you, Arnold. Joy mode's fantastic. Use joymode.com slash big thing.

Use joy mode. com slash big thing. Michelle loves it. She really does. Endorsed. She, everywhere we go. She's like, did you pack the joy mode?

You know, it's funny you say that to Mr. Obama. Now, when they gave it to you, then I said, hey, you didn't need it because you thought you didn't need it. It wasn't about, of course, President Obama can get it up. No, no, no, no. Here's the thing. We have had this technology in the government for years.

Right. And we just decided, why don't we get it to a company, get it to the people, and make sure everybody's feeling good. It's been a rough couple years. It's, and I'll tell you, you feel fantastic. You put it, you come on, and you, yeah, ah, and then they say, they say, calm down. I said, they can't calm down. I'm excited.

And they go, now I'm excited. Ah! And you need to go, okay. So you use joy mode.com slash big thing. Ha, you get it. Like Winston. Use join mode. com.

We got to get one out of you, bro. What you got? I don't have an impression. And so here I sit, looking left and right, acknowledging my inefficiencies. You look like our paperboard today. Yeah, that's there I am. I'm so tired.

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Real time. Real time. Got it. The 15th. Got it. Congratulations. That's just my impression card. It's also one of my best friend's birthday.

So you guys have that in common. He's in Vegas for the first time in like 10 years. Oh, that's amazing. With his first girlfriend and also almost 10 years. So like he's having the time. That's the best, man. That's incredible. One of my hosting moments ever was because of my birthday.

And it's like one of my favorite weird stories is that I work at Sony a lot now because Tom Hardy and I get along and Tom Hardy like a tricky interview. Cool, cool, double name drop. No, no, no, it's relevant. I thought networking when I was coming up as an actor was adding everyone on social media. So I was friends with Tom Hardy on MySpace

because I started on my birthday because Tom Hardy's birthdays today. So I literally work today because 13 years ago I went through MySpace and added everyone on my birthday turned out to be Maine. So that name drops got purpose and it's Tom Harder's birthday.

That one, that one, not all of them do. That one did. Hey, at least you own it. I'm an owner. But happy birthday to Tom Hardy, your buddy and me. Let's spec. Well, what we can talk about is the fact we went, we all went, well, myself and Koi were at D-23.

And when we went to D-23, as you saw on capes and cows last week, we had our whole big prediction episode. And most of it didn't happen. Most of it didn't happen, I would say. But it's weird because here's where I stand on the Marvel portion of it, right? Because we don't need to get into, what I will say is I think that the Disney animation and live action was hands down the best part of the whole. The Pixar stuff,

it seemed like it was in the same panel. Yeah. Well, because they did ultimately what we thought Lucasfilm and Marvel were going to do. And they dropped a lot of new stuff. Surprises. Yeah, you know, and I was funny. So on Patreon, by the way, I've been doing this thing four times a month where I do like a 30, 30 minute session. There's not an offer four of them, but I do 30 minutes sessions with patrons and they want to come in and we just bullshit about,

we'll prep about it. Whatever. Yeah, see, you slipped. But I was talking to one of the guys today, and he brought up the Disney investors thing, right? That was the best that Star Wars has been in any of these things, whether it was Comic-Con or Celebration or anything. The amount of stuff that they dropped and the amount of stuff,

it was something like, well, Marvel does it consistently. Now, when you jump into it, Marvel did at D23. My personal thoughts with this. I think that Marvel and Lucasfilm very different. Marvel did and showed a lot. So much footage. They really did show a lot.

Now, did they drop bombs of new stuff and casting and things that people thought were going to happen and were there maybe more expectations on them that they didn't necessarily have to deliver on? I think so. because as I'm watching a lot of the things that they showed, and there was some stuff they released to the public, and there's other things. Now, I still think the Fantastic Four thing,

could they have given you cast, probably? But here's the difference between something like Fantastic Four and the Acolyte. Right. Both of them have been announced. Fantastic Four will probably come out after the Acolyte, if Acklead even comes out anymore, right? So now people are all, I kept getting this response yesterday

when we talked about this on Sith. People are going, oh, but the Akelete is, They've already announced cast. No, reporters reported on cast. Lucasfilm, and even if they gave one person, I don't even think they officially did, every single thing that Lucasfilm is done with the accolite, celebration, ignored.

Comic-Con on the press line of Mandela Stenberg is confirmed. Ignored at D-23, right? Well, yeah, but it's not coming out forever. Okay, well, then I'll give you Fantastic Four. Fantastic Four, rumored for a bit, Comic-Con. Confirmed. It's coming out. D23, you don't get the cast, but it's confirmed and here's your director.

That's the difference. And that's why I don't give as much crap to Marvel, even though it might not have been in everything you wanted. Because everything they did was in line with what they set up to promise. Everything that fans expected isn't their responsibility. Dude, I saw your TikTok about this. Yeah. Because I was explaining to my girlfriend once again. Let him get to his point.

Because I go, go, go. So, no, no, basically what the TikTok says is we can't. expect what isn't promised. And if we start expecting what isn't promised, all that's going to do is set up disappointment and all that's gonna do if a studio starts hearing that too much is rush things and then you'll get the very thing you don't want, which is a rushed experience.

Everything that Marvel promised a year ago, they have delivered and then some. And I went through the entire panel in that room and I'm gonna be honest, I missed one of my best friends' weddings and I missed a lot of important things to go to D23. The stakes for this were extremely, high for me. This was an event that I went to at great cost personally. And in that panel, I was sitting there for 90% of it going like, X-Men, Fantastic, because of the internet, because I drank

the Kool-Aid for the first time, and I listened to the masses as opposed to my instincts and what was actually promised to me. Well, wait a minute. Wait a minute. You did think X-Men, though. You can't. As I'm saying is, I drank the Kool-Aid. I indulged in the- Right, but you didn't just listen to it. That was part of the Kool-A-K-K-K-K-K. Yeah, yeah, no, no. But I'm saying like, I drank the internet Kool-Aid and espoused these things were coming. I'm owning it. This is my accountability post. But what happened then for me was 90% of the way into that panel, I was like, I'm not enjoying this because I'm waiting for something that wasn't promised to me

because I did drink the Kool-A and because I was spit and X-Men that was never even implied to be coming. Yes, Miss Marvel had a sound cue. Yes, all these things are happening. But that is at the earliest three years away. The fact that we have a director is already a gift for a Fantastic Four. But if I keep going into every event, expecting something that hasn't been told is coming and listening to the internet at large and listening to TikTokers and listening to all these things. I don't get to enjoy Tim Blake Nelson being confirmed 14 years after the first Hulk movie coming back.

I don't get to enjoy the Thunderbolts roster. I don't get to enjoy eight bits of footage because I'm waiting for the next thing. And just like in life, if you're waiting for tomorrow, today never comes. And today is all we have ever. We're all dying so fast. Live today. Live for the Thunderbolt lineup. Live for Tim Blake Nelson.

and live for your experience, not the fucking internet. Oh, there you go. There it is. And I'll guarantee you, though, as much as I appreciate that speech, we're going to be back here again saying, oh, what do you think we're going to get next to? But we're going to be bummed. But we'll have some salt in it.

Because, like, you know what I mean? We'll have experienced this disappointment. Absolutely. But it's going to happen again. It's our jobs. Yeah, 100%. Two things. Two things.

Sorry to lecture. One. No, no, no. One, you, I won't lie. And this is why peer pressure is a mother. I kept saying, y'all, I don't think, if you remember. Last week I was on board.

Last week I was on board with you guys, but I kept saying, guys, I don't think D23 is going to be as bit. They just, they blew their load on. And we were like, it's good home base. It's because of their home base. And I was like, okay, okay. And you guys convinced me. But the big thing I was going to say, that speech truncated,

this is Mephisto all over again. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And people would have learned their lesson. We still won't. Figian is, Figuiness people have a plan. They'll give us what they want to give us when they want to give it to us. So stop trying to put, do not get upset about, like you said, about something that they never said was going to be a thing. No, but there is a difference with, again, like I said, when there are projects that are already announced and ignored, right?

Like whether it's, again, Ackleid or whatever it might be. That's different. I give you that. It is. But now, even with Fantastic Four, though, if, and if it turns out that they have cast Jody Comer, if they have cast anybody already before all this. right? Then there's two arguments to be made. The first is, yeah, they could have told you who the cast was.

They could have told you. And they could have said, okay, here's our cast, but we haven't done anything. Or you could see Figey's argument to where he's like, well, I don't want to do that yet. Because I can announce the, look, we have the project, here's the director. And when we get closer to our next big event, whether it's D23 again or Comic Con again, then we bring out the cast. Also, what if one person is in a property and they don't want to reveal them all, you know, they want to do it in the post credit scene or something? There are also opportunities to do it in. So I get that.

Because now, flip side, again, if you are at Comic-Con and Fantastic Four, you're like, oh, they're going to announce. Imagine we went back and we go, okay, they're going to announce Fantastic Four at Comic-Con. And they're going to do it in this. They're going to announce Fantastic Four and Avengers, the next two Avengers close out. No, they're not. They're going to. I'm telling you. And then they don't.

Right. In an alternate timeline, right? Even though we got that for real, it's not, no one said that they were going to do that. Right. No one said, now it could have been a bummer. Oh, but I'm pretty sure they're working on it. Yeah, but they didn't announce it. And it's like I just, to me, it's when things are not, like, and as I said,

and I know that I've been a little tough on it, but I just, I stand by it. I just think Lucasfilm dropped the ball dramatically when it came to, when it came to, when it came to, When it came to Star Wars, like, dramatically. I'm in the room with Christian. Christian's like four, like rows in front of me. And we're both taking pictures and tweeting and live tweeting the whole thing. And while I'm tweeting and taking photos, I'm seeing Christians post in real time because I'm tweeting.

I'm taking up sending. And while in that room, I got a text from Christian, like, hey, what do you think of a Lucasville panel? Like literally like, what? Yeah, it was like just. And it was so funny to me because I was literally like reading you doing the same day. It was like, oh, he's not bad. I can find it.

It's fine. No, but the reason I say that, though, is because it's like, because here's the difference, though. And it is,

and it, because the difference is, Marvel consistently developed, uh, performs. Right. And, and has,

that world, but things like that are how they, and they throw, it's funny though, we can talk about that. Like, I appreciate how everybody's excited about it. Not for you?

Not for me. Okay. Um, but I, but I, well, well, there,

there's some things that I'm not going to repeat on air, but the main one was the first text from Christian at, in the middle, of the panel. What a wet fart of a presentation. And I can hear your exact intonation. That was why it was so entertained.

You said it. What a fart. Like now you hold on that. And that's what's so funny about working in this space is we all comments on movies in real time. So when you're live tweeting and then you hear the voice of one of your friends in the text while you're seeing their coverage come out. It just was like,

I was just because because of what I was just saying, these are projects that were already. announced or trailers that were shown at celebration that didn't show. And I think that Marvel actually did drop the ball once inside of this that I think that you can call them out for. Where was that Guardians thing?

The Christmas special? No, the Guardian's trailer. Over Guardian's 3. You guys got the Guardian's trailer at Comic Con. Yeah. They have it. I think it was just so long presentation. It was three hours. I feel like they just ran out at time. But show that one over the other stuff. But I guess, I guess because that's coming out around the same thing. It's coming on May. So here's my question. Did they replay the Black Panther?

trailer? They did a new trailer. It's like a new trailer. They did a new one. Yeah. Oh, well, then in that case, I got nothing. And well, well, well, well, that's, that's a lie. But that's also coming out. That's coming out. That's coming out. That's coming out. That's why I was like, I take that back. It's coming out. It was cool. They gave us like two scenes from the movie that were like made into a footage. They gave us stuff from stuff that's coming out. Like, the secret invasion, I thought looked great. That footage from Comic-Con, plus this. That's my probably my most anticipated thing because it's like winter soldier and that's coming out first right

that comes out first so you show so you show that first I get it then you've got um Ant Man which they showed for February which also looked that to me that Kang looks great Kang looks great and is that the same trailer they showed a Comic Con no well it's it's interesting because the Ant Man footage was um a sequence at Comic-Con

that had a few other moments like dispersed this made it more coherent and they added some elements so it was like I think the one at Comic-Con was a minute and a half. This was like three and a half. It was like three and a minute. But what they added, added some context without making it too much new footage. Like they did the good trailer thing where they're like, here's some augmenting. Kind of like the Black Adam trailer where it didn't show a lot more, but it improved the first trailer. Yeah, what I liked about it, so Winston, and what they showed inside of this trailer, you know, was that Scott is, and they've played this through the MCU that as far as he's podcasting and he's into the fame.

And he's walking, he wrote a book, and he's going to listen to his own audio book in the car. and his daughter's actually starting to become him and starting to like, you know, be a little bit of a criminal side, right? And so what happens then, they wind up contacting the quantum realm and then they get sucked into it. Who is in the quantum realm that they need to contact them?

She's, the daughter is doing a, is doing like an experiment just like, almost like connecting aliens, right? And they wind up going and it's, it's. So the PIM stuff wasn't in our footage, but the PIM stuff connects the family element. Like grandpa is like trying to like make sure granddaughters into it.

Like that stuff was great and that's new. But what I really liked is the footage they showed us at Comic-Con of Scott and Kang is the same, but they added CGI to it. So in the San Diego footage, Jonathan Majors comes out and his chest piece and stuff is the colors of Kang, but it's kind of like not unremarkable,

but I don't remember it. And then this footage, they've got a full chess piece and then he's got scars on his face now that mirror the comic book like mask and stuff, but it was cool to see in real time in six weeks what CGI artist did. It was like seeing pre-vis versus production versus...

Oh, dude, in six weeks they're like, oh, I got a guy at the suits. With all the stuff that they're working on, yeah, but like... She-Hulk, man. But yeah, but when that, when that... I did like, by the way, in She-Hulk how they... how everybody was giving those criticisms

during the trailers of Shrek, and they called her... Keota. Yeah, yeah. They called her Shrek at one point. It was amazing. But anyway, inside of the... So that trailer I thought was great.

That presentation was good. And then after that movie, though, the next thing after that is, maybe it is, I don't know if Echo comes, because they showed Echo. They showed us something with Echo. But then they brought up, they did have Kingpin come out, and they had Charlie Cox come out. And when you play it back in your head on how it worked where they just talked about Daredevil, right? Again, another project that's not coming out for a while, but they've announced it.

So they talked about it, and they brought their cast out. So you could have fit in Guardians at that point. But I guess they said, okay, you know what? Instead we're going to do because we can't show them a trailer. What we'll do is we'll show them that scene from Deer Devil with Charlie Cox. And big news. And I feel like not a lot of people are talking about it. Charlie Cox confirmed that this is a new take on Daredevil,

that this isn't to Netflix continuation. Oh, did he say that? Yeah, in an interview. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, not enough people are talking about. He said that they're able to remix it a lot like the comic books where it's a new take, but it's not continuing, but it'll feel like the- So it's not canon?

Really? That's what's interesting. Is the quote? Are we sure? I'll look at the actual quote. I'll read it out loud. That's not good. Well, not necessarily,

because if you think about it this way, Christian, and very similar, I mean, that happens with movies anyway, but with comic books, for the most part, you're going to make sure that the writer that's taking care of that book is staying true to the character.

They just might be doing their own take. I know, so it's almost like a variant again too. I mean, it's also the name of the show, Daredevil Born Again. Yeah. Yeah, I guess. I mean, as long as they don't Nerf Kingpin like they did in Hawkeye. Oof.

That I'm a little worried about. Brutal. Yeah, my concern is that I found an article. Let me see the quote. Let's see. My quote, my feeling is based on the title Born Again. I think that the sense is it's going to be a new beginning. It's going to be different.

It's going to be totally different. It's going to be new stories and new ideas. Like Kevin Feigey said, it's a season one, not a season four. So it's a whole new thing, which is, I think, the right way to go. If you're going to do it again, let's do it differently. That's brand new. That doesn't say, Season one, not a season four, whole new thing.

True. You're going to do it again, do it differently. Like, that's all. Yes, but that doesn't necessarily say he hasn't been through what he's been through. That just means that, you know, again, this could be, it's a new take and a new story and everything, too. It's not going to be like a whole new origin story and all that, too. Oh, I don't think we're going to start with the pearls. But it doesn't necessarily negate those first four seasons.

It just says that. I mean, he said season one, not season four. That's my only, like, that's clean. But sure, but that could be season one of a new series of something that, you. you know, do it again. Who knows? Yeah, yeah, I'm just saying no one's talked about that yet. It's true.

This is the first quote about it. Would you, all right, so I want you to see, will you take a bet and say that it will be canon of the Netflix show? I will say, I will not be, Netflix will not be canon. Well, while you guys think about that bet, I'll tell you guys how you guys should.

Oh, darn it. Oh, there it is. There it is. Almost had it. A graphic away from perfect tangent. Tricky, tricky. Oh, there it is. I was so in the moment.

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but I'm afraid of that. I'm not going to lie to you. It was a pleasant week one, considering I hate both of your teams so much and what happened to both of your teams and then deciding that, you know. A pleasant week one. And the Giants were able to do what they did.

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He does have the ones and twos. If we jump back in, though, to... I'm curious about what you didn't like about wear up by night. Sorry, I don't know if that's where we're going. It's not that it's very similar to what I was talking about before. It's not that I didn't like it. I thought that for what they were going for, Michael Giacchino was going for,

nailed it. Got it. So it's the dish thing. It's just not your... It's like that old school, feel that they're going for with the horror and everything, too. It's just not something I'd go out of my... It seems like something that's tailor made for, like, bibs.

Yeah, I feel like... Definitely, Bihini would, like, love this. It reminded me of Edgar Wright's don't in the middle of a grind house. And I was like, this might, I like that as a special because I think I'll love it for 40 minutes or whatever. And I understand why people are hyped about it. Sure. I just, when I looked at it, I went, I saw everybody getting hyped up. I went, yeah, sure.

And that's just. What was your favorite thing? Secret evasion might be. Because I didn't know anything about it. Yeah. I mean, hell, I kept calling a Secret Wars and you're like, no, that's the other thing. And I was like, okay. Because I think that I'm still, I'm so, I'm just, I think it's over.

Maybe that's another thing with the She-Hulk thing. I just think that I'm really over the comedy. Like, especially after watching, I'm re-watching, again, the MCU with my daughter, and we're up to Avengers now. And there's humor throughout the entire thing, but it's just different. Yeah.

It's just different. Like, Thor is so much better. He's so much better back then. Like, there's a whole scene that he's got with Loki, when he first sees him, and he's like, grabbing him, and he's telling him, I was like, it's like, he could still be funny because in the other scenes he's adopted. Right.

Right. Like, there's that stuff that just work. But anyway. And in Avengers, one of my favorite moments is the, does mother know you weareth her drapes? And like those, it's, those comedy elements work for me because it's in the middle of a serious moment. And it's in character. Yes. Yes.

Yes. But you know, I think the other thing that was, that's interesting because I was just running the release states in my head. We were getting variation. So, like, Iron Man comes out. And there's sure serious element for comedy. But then the next one, you get what, both Incredible Hulk and Iron Man too. So a little bit more of that comedy. But then the Incredible Hulk has a funny line here or there, but it's pretty serious.

Then you go to Thor and it's really theatrical. Then you go to Captain America and it's like a war film and all that. The first one again, it gets better and better every time you watch. Guardians and Winter Soldier were back to back. Look at duality there. Right. And that's phase two, like deeper in. But to answer Koi's question,

know, like I, so I was just, like, Eternals to me, I, I think we, the three of us like it, but it's, we're in the minority, right? Because I liked it because it was, it was, there's some jokes in it, but for the most point, it's, it's less, it's less goofy. And the last few things have been goofy and some of the, and, and again, even come out from Shehulk again, and then seeing Secret Wars, I'm like, oh, that feels like the Marvel that I really enjoyed. I'm really excited to get back to espionage and grief.

Yes. I said, I did it say it again. Sigur was saying. From what came out to you? Yes. For what you got to experience because I know they'd release some footage.

Anything jump out for you? I'm just curious about, I mean, Secret Invasion looks incredible. I've always been, like I, the main thing I think I bonded with my dad over growing up

was actually Bond, with James Bond. So anything spirited automatically has my attention. And I was like, yo, what is this mystery? Yeah.

Which is. sort of why I also gravitated to Wanda Vision. It's not as much of a spy thing, but you're still in a mystery trying to solve it. I really liked Wanda Vision and I wasn't, there was another one that I didn't know if I was going to, I remember when it first came out, I was like, that looks terrible and I loved that show. And

I think Loki balanced the comedy as well too. Those two, Wanda Vision and Loki, I think, are the best examples of what the comedy we miss. Loki looked good. The new, the new Loki season two look good. Some horror edits. It had a lot of like tension in it. It did. Black Panther 2. Look good. The Ant Man. Foot did. Stuff looked good. So there was

There was a lot of stuff that they showed that I thought was really, really good. Key Quinn and Loki, too, is so exciting. The dude from everything everywhere. Yes. I'm so excited to see him. Yeah, man. Do you see the picture you took with Harrison Ford? Dude, it's so beautiful.

It's such a magic. Also, Harrison coming out so emotional was such a, my God, that wrecked me. That's on this channel. You can see that on this channel. Yeah. I love that every single director of note came out and was like, do you guys just see that indie indie five foot? Like literally everyone came out post-lookers film.

Like, did you experience that? That was the thing to me that was at Luke. So like I said, when I, and I'm trying to be very, I want to make sure that I say that every time. Lucasfilm, that panel, the Star Wars stuff dropped the ball. I thought Willow. Willow surprised. Hell of me, man.

And I thought Indiana Jones closed strong. Do you remember? That was the one thing you said you actually liked about it. You were like Indiana Jones was the best thing. Easy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was very smart for him to close with them. Do you remember the three of us were talking about Lucasfilm?

We were talking about how much time he was going to be. And we assumed it was two hours. It was three. because it kept going. Because it just kept. But we all were like, man, I would prefer them not to spend time on Willow. And then Willow footage came out

and I was like, this looks, you know, right? It looks like a less... So Willow, Willow was a George Lucas production at Ron Howard directed. Val Kilmer's in. Yeah, Val Kilmer, and it's a fantasy thing. And if you watch it now, if you just focus on the story,

you'll probably wind up liking it. If you focus on the CGI, it's very dated. Because of the way, but from back then in 86, we were under 80s. 687, whenever it came in, but it came out. I really enjoy Willow. I actually don't, I think it was smart for them to show it at D23. I just am still baffled to why they showed it at celebration.

Right. Because this footage was way better and it got us invested. And Christian Slater just got confirmed. Yes, yes, yes, yes. And it's nothing to do with Star Wars. No, it's a Lucas film. It's a Lucas film. So that's why D20 makes sense.

That's why I'm surprised that you said it was at celebration. That seems weird. Which was weird. And I think that what this did was it showed us what the tone's going to be, which is why I'm excited because I love fantasy and I'm digging House of Dragon, House the Dragon. Like I'm liking it more than I expected. Oh, I love it.

But like, well, I didn't really dig game of shows. So I didn't know if I'd like this. But watching House of the Dragon, it makes me realize that we don't have a lot of fantasy that isn't cynical or angry. Like, that show feels very, like. Whereas Willow looks like less angry fantasy, which we don't get after the 80s a lot. The 80s are- Did the trailer come out for Willow?

It did, right? Did it drop? I don't know. I don't know. I think so because I saw, I want to, I saw one person, on social media just like a friend of mine who was like I am so sick and tired of reboots

and remakes but this is the only exception I am ecstatic about this so I think the trailer is out of okay it looks less angry it's fantasy without that like edge to it and I like again I like House of the Dragon so what are you laughing at me? Because you brought up House of the Dragon

I saw a tweet where it was like white people the House of the Dragon, black people House of Dragons I did just call it House of Dragon dropping all articles add in plurals. That's like my daughter, the little one, she doesn't say without. She just says out. She goes, don't go out me.

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Dr. Strange and the Multiverse and Madness Concept Art reveals Marvelous Melvin Variant from previous script. What does this mean? I love that it's written like we should know. And I don't know. And I do this pretty in depth. I have no idea who this is. All right. So nobody knows.

Okay. I feel way better about that. Dr. Strange is in the multi-man, the concept artist, Darrell Warner has revealed some of his work from Scott Derrickson's version of the movie. Okay. Sharing a closer look at the Marvelous Melvin variant. So this is what I guess Scott Derrickson was working on. The original plan for Dr. Strange in the multiverse of Vadas was for the first movie's director, Scott Derrickson,

to be back behind the camera. Creative differences saw the filmmaker walk away from the sequel, with the prevailing theory being that he didn't want to tell a story about the multiverse. Interesting. Okay. It appears that that wasn't entirely the reason. We've heard it might be the been the Scarlet Witch because concept artist Darrell Warner has shared an early design for

Derrickson's script that featured a powerless, strange variant. Marvelous Melvin was a piece icon, completed very early on in the first lockdown following one aspect alternative Strange universe within the Derrickson script that subsequently changed with the arrival of Sam Ramey. It is quite rare to be allowed to follow one's intuition as regards to a given character, and I need to extend many thanks to costume designer,

Graham Churchill, for allowing me to develop and produce this concept. This doesn't really say much about it, but I guess it's just, it's, I mean, the idea of a variant, Dr. Strange with that as powers, it's... That's interesting. What it does confirm is that, as they said, it doesn't, it negates the idea that Derrickson didn't want to do the multiverse and look more so about, I guess, Cram and Scarlet, which is how long he was still working because lockdown was not long ago.

So like that deeply into it means he was close. Yeah. I still wonder what that movie would have looked like. A horror movie. Like it would have been a different, I mean, not that St. Ramies wasn't, but it was Sam Ramey. That's right. It's a Sam Ramey horror movie as compared to a horror movie.

Right. Yeah. Because Derrickson makes, I mean, I love both. But like the Black Phone is one of the best movies of the year for me. And like that is such a special kind of horror. Yeah. I would love to see that man get to have his $200 million for into that. Like I would have loved to have seen an untethered Scott Derrickson get to play. Yeah.

I mean, I feel that way about I love what Peyton Reed did with Ant Man. Yeah. I still think about Edgar Wright's movie all the time. I'm just curious. Every time I watch it, I think of that, the briefcase scene. oh, this is the last piece of Edgar. Because that's such an Edgar Wright scene. The music, the flavor.

I'm like, oh, this is what Edgar Wright's, Antman would have been the movie. But, you know, that's what's interesting about phase four is we're letting these directors have more creative freedom, but sometimes at cost. I think that's going to change. I don't think this survives. I think the reason phase four is so short is they're like,

okay, we're going to go back to what we were doing. I think that's one of the reasons why they got the dude from Wanda Vision. Yeah, I think we're going to have the more structured feel phase five. I think phase four is multiversal in many ways. I think that that was the thing that Fikey's like, okay, I'm going to give this a shot. I was sitting with Winston at the Thor Love and Thunder premiere, and they had an interview with Fikey. And they asked, they said, okay, you remember this? So the genre that, you know, so Ant Man was like a comedy thriller and a comedy heist.

And then Winter Soldier was like a spy thriller and blah, blah, what's the genre of this movie? he goes, this is just a Tyco movie. And I look at Winston, I go, he got, he goes, oh, no. I went, uh-oh, when that answer, a second he said that. And the movie hadn't even started. And I, and I look and I go, oh, no. The more I think about those two back to back, the more phase four starts to drift down. Yeah.

Because it's been a little time. Have you watched it? I haven't been able to bring myself to. And that's way worse. Like, I had Ragnarok below Love and Thunder because I loved the last five minutes so much. Like the last five minutes of Love and Thunder, I think, are amongst the best Thor. I love how they landed it, but that does not a media movie make. It's drifting down.

I'm going to watch it again, but my ranking right now of those four movies are Ragnarack, Four, Dark World, and then. Dude, you put Love and Thunder below Dark World? 100%. It's not like Dark World. Now I'm going to watch it again. I'm going to watch it again, too. But I've rewatched, I've rewatched

Dark World, obviously recently with our thing, but I'm going to rewatch it again. And I'm not dreading it. And I've seen it now, maybe five or six times. Right. I don't want to watch Love and Thunder again. And I have to. So anyway.

But that's what happens when you have this, I mean, the experiment's good. I just think Marvel isn't like, I love creative freedom. I love directors getting to make their vision. But Marvel isn't a series of movies. It's a long TV show. Marvel as a cinematic universe is serialized movies and shows that the, but the movies are two-hour shows.

It is one thing. So when you have creative freedom to the point where it hurts your characters, as I personally feel multiverse and Thor did, it does affect the overall experience. I think that's what Kevin Feige is shifting for Phase 5. Have you watched it again, Winston? No. I had mentioned this last week. I haven't re-watched anything except for Spider-Man in some of the TV shows, but the movies I haven't re-watched a single one. Um, widow,

Eternal's, uh, Chongchi, Dr. Strange, right, door. I haven't rewatched a single movie. Have either of you made it to the extended of Spider-Man yet?

No, not yet. Okay, I'm trying to go today. I think from my road to, yeah. I'm gonna see if we can get to one more story. I gotta get to the warrior king first.

Let me sit. Oh, uh, dude, the woman king, you mean? Is it the woman king or the warrior king? Woman king?

Yes. That was one of the ones the other day. I had a screening for and then my kid got sick and I had to miss it. Oh, my, dude, every single person that I seated heads, they were talking about. They were, like, audiences applauding, like standing up and applauding. I finally saw the first trailer, and I was like, this looks incredible. I someone missed the wave. I'm excited.

Let's see. Is anything else we can talk about? Wait, okay. Here's a question. Go down real quick. Was there no post credit today? No, there wasn't. The only thing that they showed was the Daredevil.

The helmet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I guess we can talk about, about, as, as Quay mentioned, before. Tim Blake Nelson. That's so exciting. So, good for him.

So he hasn't been, so, although the only thing he got, the only thing, the freaking Anthony Mackey kind of stepped on him, on a moment, called him like,

called him like, nasty Tim or something. Oh, yeah? He called him nasty. He's like, it's good to have like, nasty Tim back.

And I'm like, I'm like, that's not a car home. Man. What a weird thing to say on stage? He called him nasty. At last, unless,

unless, unless it was preempted by, yeah, my boy, nasty Tim is. And that's a little different. He kind of did say that. Okay.

It was kind of like that to where he, I think he might even said those words. But like, but he still called him nasty Tim. And I'm like, what's he doing? Smell of his fingers? All right. I just thought maybe he, because you remember he was, he was Clarence in 8 miles. So maybe he was just saying that nasty Tim had bars. He's back.

And he very well might mean that. But I was just like, call him nasty. And then poor Tim was just standing there like this. All of four foot five. I didn't realize Tim like, no. And then everyone in. And it's funny because I just watched that again with my daughter. And I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I just remember him.

And like, and as you said, it's been years. But to me, 14 years. To me, it's been a week. It's been 14 days. But both of them, because, uh, Roth and. Right. And, yeah. Well, Ross came back, you know.

Oh, Tim Roth. Tim Roth. Yeah, yeah. But he came back in Shang-Chi. So I feel like we were like a little comfy. Yeah, but he wasn't really back. That's true. It was just abomination.

They're fully incorporating incredible Hulk. I'm wondering if we get Liv of Tyler back. Well, this whole show has been an abominable. nomination. That's not true. I want to thank you guys for joining us here today. Thank you to both Winston and Coy. Thank you guys for always for the support that you've given us on this show. This show's been doing very well and I appreciate that that's because of all the support. And again, we really hope that you're enjoying the studio and that really comes from all of you. We put that Amazon list up and without you guys, we wouldn't have started to move this as fast as we did.

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