The Kristian Harloff Show - She-Hulk Episode 7 Spoiler Discussion and Hugh Jackman is Back as Wolverine! - Capes and Cowls

Episode Date: September 30, 2022

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Welcome back to Big Thing, Caps and cows. That's right. Subscribe. Let's leave that on for the whole show. I've done that before. It's me. It's the one and only. Winstonian Marshall, that's a tight shot. It's a close shot.

I'm going to, I can fix it. I can fix it. All right. I can fix it. Check this out. Watch it. Come on, come on, fix it down. Oh, okay.

How you like that? It's not bad. That's not bad, baby. Now, ladies, oh, there he is. Ladies and gentlemen, you revealed himself. It's the one and only. You had your own review, and you just, he did reveal. What you blew.

Oh, you're going to be yours. That's more fun. Oh, it's ruining mine. So the address. You only have until the music's over. You know, like kind of like the intro to a superhero film. This is a good theme. This is pretty high.

So do you know where this theme came from? So EPM music did this for us. And he did a theme for us for Mark Riley for the Schmodeon. And Riley got that theme. He used it twice and lost both times. I don't want to give the picture. But that theme's so. good. I got a pint of use for it. Now it's

Caps and Cowell's theme. What was his theme again? Well, he used the Superman theme for a while. Right, right, right. And then we stopped using copyrights. And then he and Bateman had had their own theme, so he started using the Who's the Boss theme. But enough about Bateman and Riley. What's about our example? Well, see, man, how are you doing? I'm doing good, man.

It's good to have you in here. Yeah. It's good to hear. It's good to hear your voice. We were talking and we knew Coy wasn't going to be here. And we said, walking out I go you know I don't know I love talking just Winston and I was like could we find somebody else and he's like what about Zip and within second I'm like yep

get Zip uh okay well this is my plan I buried Koi in my backyard I figured take over his life one obligation at a time it's true well I mean you got to be able to replace him can you take selfies with everyone you meet god you know what you are trying see now I can never not do the show because it's going to be just

nonstop nonsense have have I have I never ever said that to koi to his face oh no no i know you have i don't quote coy knows i'll tell my favorite joke of all time and coi and i talk about all the time is that merle when merle went heel you know he in in the schmodeem he was like should i say this line about coy and i like coy will laugh at it and he goes yeah i was looking for coy but apparently there was i left a cardboard cut out of kevin fikey in the uh in the parking line he's taking pictures of it's hilarious it's really hilarious. So that was hilarious. What's not hilarious is Shee Hulk. Oh, man, I missed it,

but Shee Hulk. Nice segue. Thank you. I try to. I just missed the wrong image. It's losing me, man. I mean, I said this a while ago, but it's, it's, here's my, I did my spoiler review of it already. My thoughts are this. It's, it's, it's, I've told you my biggest concern is that the balance and the balance to me is so far off at this point. And the stuff, the stuff that I like stays consistent and that's Tatiana Mizlani. I love her. I think she's incredible. I want to see her do more.

I like watching her. And I like watching what she does with the character. When I thought, I will say, the last three, my favorite out of the last three. Yes. Now, the reason why is because I felt like it was starting to get back into that balance. Yes. And then when it looks, okay, we left episode six with that reveal of there's somebody coming

after her. Right. Right. So what's going to be. And everybody in that episode, everybody who's watching it, fine, just don't make the guy the bad guy. It's too predictable. What, Josh? I knew that, bro, I called all that. You and everybody else. My five-year-old

could have called that. It was the, and they, and zipsed it up beforehand before we went on the air. It's like, they play this music. Like, oh, we got you. You can get anybody. Everybody knew that was coming. What would have been better if they kidnapped them. That would have been better. Or if he's still evil, make it,

it was a ploy. And like, you know what I'm saying? And it was a situation where, like, his boss kidnapped him. But then he betrays her later. Like you goof it. Well, but the thing is,

is that I know why they did it, right? They did it because they wanted to do the reveal of, she doesn't need anybody in her life to make her feel important. That was what they did. And that circle of the people who really brought that out of her. That's what she needed to know. And that's fine.

And maybe she still could have done that with this guy going, well, I was going to call you, but I got kidnapped. And now you got to, now you have to save me. I, you know,

it's not about you being saved. but you saving me. And that's what I thought the daredevil thing was going to be, like them trying to get him back. Yeah. And he just made him a goofy bad guy. It felt like they split the reveal in half, right? Like we got that bit at the end of episode six of like,

oh, they're on to her. They're coming for. And then the reveal that he's involved. That felt like one reveal that they like tried to stretch out over two episodes. Yeah. And as a result, neither of them felt impactful at all. Right. It's like, yeah, we know.

We knew it was coming. Yeah. everybody's like, I think you would have tricked people and you would have gotten people if he was good. I thought everybody saw it coming because I thought he was dead. I thought he might have walked out her door to get coffee. And someone whacked. Yeah, right. That would have probably been a better reveal.

You know, you know, it's interesting because Kristen normally just watches it sometime in the weekend, but she was at a concert and she came home and I was like, oh, it's midnight. I'm about to. She's like, oh, great. So we watched it.

And there were moments like when she's like freaking out over Josh and he's not responding to text. and she's checking the phone over and over again. And then Umba play, she goes, did they just like mirror my life before I met you? Like what's like she was really into that. But then we had to talk about it afterwards by the end of the episode. And she's like her talking in the circle, she said it felt like to her like it was a man writing a woman

trying to explain to men what women go through. She actually got a little turned off by the, the conversation. Yeah, but men didn't write this. as women there. No, no, no, no, no. I know that, but she was saying for her, this was the first time she, like, she, because we talked about it. And she was like, I understand what you're saying about, you're not doing the through line thing. But she's like, this is the first time that she was genuinely turned off because she was like, I feel like you were over explaining what women are going through. It's too much. And, and so for her, she was just like, I enjoyed it enough, I guess. But this was the one where she was just like, what I dug was the beginning, right? I thought, I thought what they did in the beginning when they have. that date going on. You're like, oh, okay, she's falling for this guy. It's a sweet moment. And then she says, I can't stop smiling. I'm like, this is a cute moment. I'm enjoying this. I think it feels

real. It committed to a vibe, too. It felt very rom-comy with like the montage and the music playing. But the characters felt real. Yeah. The characters felt real. And then it was like, you know, because the thing I was driving me nuts last week when I said to you, they don't feel real. And I saw so many comments go, well, it's a superhero. Of course

it doesn't feel real. And I'm like, well, wait a minute. Thanos is an alien, but he felt real to me. Sure. Like they set it up to where it felt real. Sure. These seem like, and I said in my review, I go, it felt like a sitcom. Well, that's the point. Friends felt like a sitcom, but I still believe the characters were real.

And, you know, depending, you pick any sitcom that you really enjoy, you know. Like I think of family ties, family matters, whatever it might be. Those characters seem real. Anyway, so they do this whole thing where he doesn't respond and she's checking it. And we've all been there. That was the realest part of the episode. But so to me, including having all the guys and someone tweeted about this, and I actually enjoyed this part. When they got in the circle, there's a lot of goofball stuff that I'm not loving.

But when they actually sit down and they almost feel like her older brothers and her cousins being like, why are you stressing out about this? You're enough like, oh, oh, you texted him. Nah, like that stuff was funny. I love that. It was. The problem is it's not the story itself for me in this one. It's the execution of a lot of it, right? because I think the idea of someone saying,

no, no, no, what are you doing? What I had said at my thing was, I love the relationship between her and Blonsky. Love it. And almost, I was like, okay, I liked that they didn't turn him bad again. I keep waiting for that shoot, but I'm glad that they didn't.

And I'm glad that maybe he loses his cool at one point, and they can figure out a way to do it and it works. But I was glad that he didn't. I was like, okay, maybe he's going to be like a Miyagi to her. And it's like, she goes there, they had this conversation. She's just hanging out with the whole time. The second, this stupid bull shows up with,

with the Matador. It was like, I said to you in my text, it was like someone said, oh, you know what? The boys is really good right now. Let's do the boys, but we can't go that extreme. And it felt so,

it felt like a satire. Like, Boys is supposed to be a satire. This is not. I guess it's a comedy, but it's not supposed to be a satire. Well, I think the thing that's interesting,

and I don't, I don't think that you should be original with some of the stuff because there's some characters that we've never seen before in comic. I'm trying to think the big one we were talking about a few episodes back, but Man Bowl is real. In the comic,

yeah, in the comics, so you have to introduce them. It's just how they chose to introduce them, which is just interesting. Oh, that's a nice word for it. You know,

I mean, I even love the fact that it's stupid that is. If you're going to make the character, what else would you, what else would you, you know, what else would you do to like, how would you design it differently?

because if you go and you look at the images of Man Bowl and it's just tone dude yeah it's it's it's this to me felt more so like um like love and thunder the the show has gotten like you said like very broad like the comedy is very broad which i think is fine if the jokes are landing right right um and for me they're landing about 20% of the time right now a lot of people have that problem right now a lot of people have that problem with that the jokes are not landing i and i'll tell you i think that you might be right where and a lot of people who were saying that if I was lapping my face off on every episode would I be more forgiving you know and and and maybe maybe that is the case but I just don't find like even you know the whole thing with the porcupine sitting there he takes his mask off it stinks it was funny but it was like not but not enough to like sacrifice that moment I almost I almost wish it had been a situation where it's not that he smells it's that homie was like either some sort of monster or

he was ugly as hell and then they're just like Or just. And then, well, that would also be interesting, too. Would, like, but just something along those lines where it was like a real reason he was hiding the mask and it was his worst fear. Or, you know what else would have been big had done this before? If it was a major celebrity. That would also have been hilarious. Like, it was a major celebrity.

Like, that's what I was expecting. Like, who is it? And it's just like, who stinks? Yeah. It's like, okay. Yeah, it's like, it's like, yeah. It's going to be hilarious. If someone says, like, it smells like a fart.

hilarious. I was like, no. And because at the moment itself, like when she's sitting there, like, again, going through it and understanding, like, it had to happen eventually. Like, and I love that, that speech that she gives. And she says, you ever have that friend that's so popular, so can do this, can do that. I can be that person. Yeah. But I feel like I'm cheating on myself when I do it. And I thought it was a great moment. And then as there's, and as you said, I just think that if you just made the jokes more so like, it's, It's a part of the person's personality as opposed to like, hey, that's what everyone seems like they're waving your hands going, it's my time to tell a joke. Yeah, it felt that speech, which I think was very poignant and kind of beautiful in that regard. Really well delivered. Yes, Tatiana's, she don't miss. But, you know, it was interesting because it does give that idea.

And if the show is constantly trying to look at themes of stuff that's going on, it is that idea of that one person that they go home, the teenager that, goes home and they were not attractive or whatever and then puberty hits over the summer and they come back and then all of a sudden like nobody gave a crap about you before or the person that a video went viral and now all of a sudden people want to pay attention to them and they care and so there was a lot that I think people could relate to in that but yeah there were just moments that just felt off goofy I said to you I said to you was like the problem with like that's because you sent me that picture of man bull you're like well he's in the comics that's great yeah but the problem

was I said it felt like a character Horatio Sands would have played in Saturday Night Live in like in like 1996. You know what I mean? I'm pretty sure he did. He probably did. He probably did. And that's where they, I want you to play him like,

like that, like that's what it felt like. Because that's what it felt like. And I was just like, when you have these moments like we're talking about in the beginning when you're like, okay, this feels like a real moment now. And she's trying to figure it out.

And she's using the cell phone stuff. And I was like, they're finally going to get away from these episodes of just doing like a wedding or a trademark. episode was this the first episode that didn't have a B plot this was they were at his retreat I would I would argue that maybe the B plot is where is Josh because the because the A plus it's cutting away yeah she's part of it she's part of A and B I guess you know but yeah it yeah it was and there was a lot that I'm like okay good we're getting into the idea and I thought maybe like it was going to combine that whoever was after her inside of this

and maybe Blonsky was working for him I didn't know what was going on but then it turned out to be they work through it and then we get back and I swear guys when I'm watching I'm like okay three days or and then why wasn't and I think someone else said it could have been a post credit scene which they haven't done any more post credit scenes but they go three days earlier you see I'm like okay please someone he gets up and he's smiling at her and he's like he's also feelings and then someone clonks him on the head and steals him right uh-huh ha ha I got you and creeps taking a picture of her sleeping it's like oh man it just I think the problem is is whenever you have a big twist reveal of who the real bad guy is,

there has been enough groundwork there and enough other bad guys doing things that you're like, oh damn, that caught me off guard. So like obviously I talk about all the time, my favorite movie being Rush hour, this whole Juntao thing, and you know the lieutenants around and you're just like, we don't know who Juntao is,

but like we're dealing with the crap he's doing the entire time. So then at the very like final climatic battle when you're like, oh, it's you. It was the old white dude. sorry for pointing right at you that's right my birthday's coming up I'm actually spotted the thing I'm at Winston and well Kristen can still come

but I can't go no alright that's fine you're out but you have laid the groundwork the whole time then I'm like okay so unless this reveal ends up being massive we haven't had a big of enough real evil plot happening that by the time they reveal it I don't care

but everybody knew everybody knew go ahead Zip you were going to say I think a part of it too was the structure of the episode because because we were with Blonsky and the support group and this storyline the entire time that Josh Reveal had to carry all of the stakes and all of the weight of the episode. So like all of the tension was folded into the last 30 seconds of the episode. Because the rest of the episode was just things going really well for people. Right. It was she shows up. She has a great day.

Everyone there is really nice and supportive. Things go really well and she leaves feeling better about herself. And that was the whole episode, which is delightful. but as a result there was so much weight on that reveal i think to like make the episode feel a little more significant absolutely and i think that and the problem was that after that wedding episode because here's the other thing i like the wedding episode yeah a lot a lot of people did like that the episode um i was not one of them but a lot of people did and but inside of that episode everybody was saying the same thing all right he's got to be bad because the problem what they've

they've done so far as set up that there's i mean there's really not a lot of good dudes on this show right there's really interesting with the support group because having turned out to be genuinely well-meaning right which which i was glad that they did because i was like oh these guys bad too is blonsky don't want to be in the bad guy with these but he's legitimately working with them and it's funny because the the tone started to really shift for me i think it was in episode three and that might have been when the dude who shows up where she's like you don't even remember this guy, which is true. I didn't remember the guy at all until they showed the flashback. And when he, when him and his buddies tried to jump her in the alley, right, that was the

episode when I went, oh man, I hope they don't gift to this type of tone the whole series, and they did. Like that goofy scene with those guys and you, I think you told me that's how they are in the comic. The wrecking crew, they're kind of a threat in the comic. But they're also idiots. They are massive idiots. They are massive idiots. It's much of idiots. Oh, dude, yes. Like they, it just, it just totally depends. Sometimes it's just like anything else. You have the one idiot that, like, pulls it together. So almost,

almost the way that Thor went from being a bumbling fool, all of love and thunder, and then all of a sudden, when it's serious time, at serious time, most of the time the reckon crew, they're very strong. They are dumb.

And there have been times where they have, like, beat Thor and Hulk and, like, some of the strongest folks, but they dumb, dumb, okay, wait a minute, you said, but you believe that they could,

because they're dumb, you believe that they can do it. In no world do I believe that those morons could beat anybody. I would, but see, and, but this is the whole thing, With them saying, we just got these weapons and this power, I think like anything else, you give them some time and maybe they will.

But the one thing that doesn't make sense now, you just got one of the main dudes. You probably know their names. That's wrecker. Okay. So you got Recker now who's like kind of reformed. Right. And so, like, yeah, he could always go back to being evil, I guess. But it just seemed to me, like the wrong move to immediately just make.

the wrecking crew or at least wrecker of the wrecking crew not be a bad dude now i don't mind them being a joke because again they're morons it's literally like watching the three stooges with superpowers yeah so i don't that didn't bother me but but but you have now with this episode it feels like you've ruined the opportunity to ever kind of go back down that yeah so this is for me even though i didn't like episodes well three was fine but three three even though three through six, I didn't, I felt weren't really, my style. I still said, I can understand why people love it and I think that it's a well-written show. Yeah, yeah. It's delightful. It's like pleasant. I think I don't understand

that, right? It's not, it's definitely for me, it's starting to become a work to, work to watch it. But this is the only episode I thought was poorly written. The other episodes I thought were written really well, even if I didn't like them. I still say, okay, for, for what they're doing here, this is a bad, badly written show. Like, especially like, the, end. That was a piss poor reveal. Really, really bad. I think, and this happens, I know that there are a lot of times, depending on what's being written, that sometimes dialogue ends up being super strong, which I thought, like, again, her speech was well done and things like that, but then

the rest of the episode doesn't work. And then there are people that, they write the episode super well, but then you're like, this dialogue is, so like, attack of the clones. I actually think it's a very well-witten plot-wise. It's just the dialogue is so crappy. The prequels in general. The prequels in general, I always thought the prequels had a great outline for what is. The dialogue is terrible in those movies. I still, I love them way more now than I did a while ago. But the dialogue's not great for, for sure.

But the dialogue for that speech for her and this is great. But it doesn't mean the overall, the whole episode as a whole was disappointing. But look, they also, it's, she, look, she got laid. That's good. That's always great. The question. That's twice out. Because the other dude that was like, oh, you're here.

Oh, I was, I'm going to go. So that's, now here's the question, though. If you know you're going to, you're going to go toe to toe to with Shehulk and the bed. Are you using Joy Mode? I wonder. That's it. That is the, that is the curious, the curious nation are, would you, look, it's green. So you might want to go for it.

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How were you going to segue into that if she hadn't gotten late? Well, that's my trick. No, see, I would, I would, actually love to do this with you. I would love to have a segue off because that was the running joke when Blurz was still a thing was they were calling me the young segue God. Like just because the way I would somehow weave like Floyd Mayweather to being like, man, you read that terribly. Speaking of not being able to read. Right. Floyd Mayweather was in the news and I'm like, like just just like so I would love to do this with you.

Sure. Why not? Well, that would be. Also, Floyd, please don't come what my ass was talking about. I don't think Floyd's watching the shot. I don't know. Dude, watch this be the one show just like, just like, uh, the monsters,

uh, what was it, Rob Zombie? Rob Zombie definitely watched that episode. I, so, so we, Brett and I,

we were going to do a watch along to the movies. But we, we, we did this whole bit. We tore it to shreds because the rumor was that it cost 40 million dollars to make. That was the rumor. And I,

and I basically said, like, you know, he was like, he made it for a million and put 39 his bank. He's probably living on a beach like Red and St. Schenck Redemption.

And anyway, so he's, I think two days later afterwards, he's like, where's everybody get this whole thing? It costs $40 million. He tweeted it out. And I'm not going to say, we're the only people that were saying it. After our thing, even I was like, he definitely watched our thing. And Brett's like a diehard Rob Zombie Band. But I can't wait.

I mean, we put that, because people were waiting for us to put that reaction. Oh, man, you've got to do it. I saw the photo that y'all took because it was it the did they send you one or you just went bought it. So they sent it to the old Schmo's account. Yeah. There's no chance that they would have sent it to me like knowing. You're like, oh, let's send us their coverage when you're done.

I'm like, no. I'm like, you got to find it. I'm going to send you that. Are you kidding me? I mean, look, maybe we love it. All right. Let's, let's move away from Sheeulk for a little bit. Please.

I know that we only like two. That's the other problem with that show, by the way, is that we have two, the last thing I want to say about it. It doesn't feel like it's ramping up. There's two episodes left. That's what scares me. We've moved nowhere.

We've moved nowhere. That was, that was both Kristen and I, his biggest complaint as I was like, as we talked about last week, you can have most of the show be it's self-contained whatever, but it needs to move the needle for everything else.

What does this have to do with everything else? The only thing that they have, so I saw the scene, I saw, they showed at, uh, D-23. They showed the scene with her and Daredevil. And they're, and they're kind of working together. And it looks like, and it actually looks like a Marvel show. Um, and they're doing some kind of mission together.

I assume that it has to do with this plot of the needle and all that kind of stuff. That's, that would, that's now makes sense. But it's like, we took seven episodes to get through. It's like, yeah. I just, I, the only thing that could save this at this point as far as like, appeasing everybody, but you'd have to do it exceptionally well. Neither of you guys watching Lana, do you? No, I want to. I hear a great thing. I'm behind. I love that show.

So the second episode, which you should go on my channel, the Swaggy Blurred, I do. The second episode is this brilliant where you're watching and you're like, what does this have to do with anything? And the reveal comes in the last four minutes of the episode. And it makes you go from the time where you're like, like I'm starting to get bored to go, oh no, this was entirely worth it. So if you have something absolutely magical in these last two episodes that makes everything we've been through worth it, then I'm down. But that's a lot to ask.

So you know a movie did that for me was split. So when I saw Split, I was like, I hate this movie. Like I hated it. And then at the reveal by the reveal, I was like, it all makes so much sense. Yeah, yeah. Like it all, I was like, wait, I love this movie. I have to tell you. So Split was one of my favorite theater experiences I've ever had because

I saw it at Fantastic Fest and it was the secret screening. So no one knew what was coming. And when an N-Night Shama-Man movie came up at the beginning, but the whole audience be like, oh, shit. Like, oh, no. And then they were slowly getting one over. And by the time that reveal came, that whole crowd had just turned around,

was eating out of the palm of the song. What's a reveal you're talking about? That it was part of the Unbreakable Universe. Oh, got it, got, got, got, got, got. By the end of the movie, everyone was like, yeah. I have not had his experience like that. Because the same reason I was watching it going,

I don't like this. movie. I'm like, man, it's just like, what does this all mean? It's so silly. And then by the time we get to the end, I'm like, wait, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It all makes sense because now it's clear that this is what is, you're part of it. You're part of this universe now. I don't know if they're going to do that for their show. I know what you're saying. I'm not, I'm not going to sit here and place money on it. Like I should have, I don't know if my bookies today. I should have made that bet with you about the Cowboys and the Giant. You see, that wasn't a great segue. You're close to it. No, no, I know. It's fine. That's fine. That wasn't, that wasn't my aim. I wasn't. That wasn't my aim. here but um i it is a tall order to ask i think it was a plot-driven show then that's an easier ask right i think if it's a show where it's like we're waiting for some big event or some plot-during thing to happen but because it's a comedy and it lives and dies on the execution of the comedy well it's the same thing like boboffat right boba fed had a lot of stuff that he spent a lot of time with the sand people right or the tuscans and they started going into a little bit more and then there's two episodes that are basically just the And that's it.

And then, like, you get right into the ending. And it's like, whoa, you just threw us right into this. And you finally had a lot happened in that last episode. But there wasn't a lot of buildups, even the main character on the show. This is, there's a lot of buildup with the main character just happens to be in this particular world. That's why I'm so hung up on this balance thing. Like, if there's a full balance of the Marvel through line, plus this sitcom, then you're on the sit. Then you have something throughout the entire time.

Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, I get it. I totally get it. it and and I I still stand by what I was saying about the previous episodes. I do not feel differently. Yeah. About those episodes.

But I am getting to the point now where I am like, what are we doing? Yeah, let's go. We're almost at the end of this ride. So what, where is this leading to? Yeah, I agree. Well, I'll tell you where it's leading to for us. It's leading to us moving to the next story because it is darkness. Yeah, so let's the darkness.

Let's start with, let's start Blue Beetle. You're a star of Blue Beetle. And as I mentioned earlier, it looks like we're going to be having the star of that film, Shola Medvedoena, on the show coming up. Hopefully on Monday, I'll let everybody know soon. Could just be lying. In the wake of Warner Brothers Discovery, scrapping the 90 million Bat Girl film for tax write-off reasons,

the fate of various other DC projects at Warner Brothers quickly became an understandable concern. This is from Dark Horizons, by the way. Chief amongst them was the Blue Beetle film. Whilst Black Adam and the Aquaman sequel are the kinds of films big enough that the studio would be highly unlikely to ditch them, this is a similar movie that has only wrapped filming a few weeks before the guillotine came down on Backgirl. Boardworking director Angel Manuel Soto, however, has good news. Speaking with NPR recently, he said, I'm not going to lie, there was concern, there was anger, there was fear at first, but ads that studio executives reassured him that the film would not suffer the fate of Batgirl and says, they told me not to worry the film has their full support, 21-year-old Cobra Chi actor, Shola Medaduena stars as Jamie Reyes, the first-generation Mexican-American kid from El Paso, who becomes the eponymous, I said that wrong hero, when he's implemented with super-propowered alien armor.

Explaining his power set, Medaduena says he's kind of a fusion of Green Lantern and Iron Man. He is a scarab from outer space that is attached to his body called Kajad. Garrett Duncid Alker wrote the screenplay for Blue Beetle, which follows the journey of Reyes and his entire family. All right, there's a lot to kind of pick from this. Yeah. So the first is that they're confident in it. Yeah. They know that it's because both of the movies,

obviously were very important for, whether it's for casting, for a, of a new story, for telling stories of people that, I think, from different cultures. But Warner Brothers looked at background,

this is a bad movie. And I think that's still, and I stand by what I said about this. I think that the way that Zoloft, I call him, Zadlov's because he makes very sleepy decisions. But I will tell you this. I think that his bedside manner is garbage.

I think it's garbage. But I understand why if you look, you have your right as a business to say, this is not going to make us money. Say streaming doesn't make sense for us. It was going to lose money. It costs $90 million. That's just how much the production cost.

To market it at all, even to get people to watch on HBO Max, is going to cost us a lot of money. We can get a right off. I get it. Now, with Blue Beetle, when they look at it, they go, okay, this is a good movie. This is a really good movie. And I can understand what everybody involved in that film is going, what's the deal?

Are we safe? Or like, what, because he's, he's, the Dolof's cracking down jobs left and right over there. You know that if they didn't have faith in it, it would be gone on an instant. Gone. And they, because he does not. The one thing I will say, and I'll call him Zazlov for this one, because I think that what I respect about him, even though I don't agree with his decisions. He don't care what you say about him.

He doesn't care what the public opinion is. He's not one of these guys that it's just like, oh, wait, they're saying what about me? All right, let me change my stance. He doesn't. I don't like a lot of his decisions, but he didn't back down from him. Yeah, I mean, I'm not, I am not, obviously,

because if I was, I don't know if I'd be doing this show, but I'm not the executive of a multi-billion-dollar, like, studio. Right. So I don't. It's losing money. Right. Right. So I can't.

imagine some of the decisions that they have to make it never say never man you'll get there right thanks buddy um but at the same time it's not just the bedside manner um of how he's delivering the news it's it's also just the execution of it yes so a lot of creators have been yeah screwed over like animation and yeah badly to just pull stuff to not even not only not tell them that their stuff is gone but to just do it treating them like product and not treating them like humans. That's where I said the bedside manner doesn't want. Like, I get the decision, but there's, as you're saying, it's the, it's the bedside manner. It's the way it's like, hey, listen, you have a show that you did for us. I know how much like your love and your passion went into it.

I want to call you in the office to let you know that for our plan, it's just not going to work. And we're going to announce it. We should do it together. We'll figure out how to do it. And not you find out with a tweet or with an email or anything to. It's like, there's no, there's no, there's no, There's no connection. He also doesn't necessarily owe anybody anything, but at the same time, you know it would have bought you a lot of goodwill. And even if you are going,

we got to burn it all down, why wouldn't you then go, look, we're not going to put your show out. I'm really sorry. I know you put a lot of energy and effort into it. But let's set you up to try and figure out where we can get your show released.

If maybe we can sell it to Paramount, maybe we can sell it to whoever and give you that up, but none of that happened. No, let's talk about finished product too. But that's also why I think that Blue Beard, It'll fares well because as you said, Zip, if this movie was bad, they wouldn't have got the call. They would have just got the canceled.

I think they're confident in it. I think they're confident in the fact that Sholo is going to be a massive star. I think that they know they've seen what he's doing on Kobra Kai and they see everything else too. I think that they have confidence in everything that's going on right now with that film to say, no, no, no, you guys are good. Go. While I'm curious about this, was it Zolok that made the call to them, tell him?

Or was it just one of his, one of his minions? Well, that's the thing because, like, yeah, this means that an executive has confidence in it, but an executive does not always, it's not always right about whether or not a movie is good. Well, that's true. But it's just it, but, but the confidence, though, as a filmmaker means, okay, well, our, our movie will see the light of day. Yeah. And it's like, let the audience judge that is. It can carry the weight of a theatrical release.

Right. Right. Because what I will say about like Batgirl, even though they, a lot of people who saw it, don't think it was that good, the cast and the directors and the, right they're left in limbo because in their minds they can be like what i thought it was good yeah and maybe someone else would have thought it was good it was also it was also still early enough like the movie was done being shot but it was early enough in that moment that that's where you get notes that's when you start making cuts that's when you do some reshoots so to immediately just go sorry bye like i've no one number of it right i know so many people that in this industry they're like

i just turned in draft one and they just fired me and didn't say anything you didn't even give me the option to do a little better or to make tweaks. You just said, and especially from a standpoint of with that film, you were done with principal photography. So like, even if it was that bad and as much as you put into it, I, tax break, baby. Five percent? Like, you got to understand when you are losing that much money and you need to bring

anything back in. How bad are they losing money? A lot, dude. A lot because when he came in from the sale of it alone and everything that came in, like when discovery, there's a lot. He's dealing with a lot of loss. That's why you're going to be seeing a lot of these properties showing up on Paramount and showing up on Netflix

and showing up on all these other things. You're going to see a lot of those products. So you think almost it's going to be kind of like how Marvel had a fire sale when they were about to go bankrupt. And that's why you ended up with X-Men and Fantastic Four in one place and Spider-Man. There's rumors that they were going to sell Warner. He's going to sell Warner Brothers.

I've heard that they were going to sell Warner Brothers and Discovery to Universal. And that would be terrifying, to be honest with you. because now. Universal's looking, Universal is looking to be a player, right? Universal wants to take, because they own shares of Hulu with Disney, with Disney. And they were like, yeah, we'll buy it from me. Like, they're looking to fight. As they should. I just, it's terrifying to think that you're essentially going to dumb this down to two studios. I don't know if that's good for anybody, that all of a sudden it's just two studios and then a few fringe ones. Yeah, well, Paramount's doing

okay with Paramount Plus right now. Plus they just had Top Gun and, and they got Mission Impossible, but they got the they bank on cruise they need a few more of franchises speaking speaking of uh top gun you see uh what's his name uh palel glen powell out here just with all the flight movies what do you get now he's he's doing one with the jonathan major's uh yeah yeah devotion and it's uh world war one no no Korean war Korean Korean war um i'd like to see Glenn Powell as Dr. Doe interesting interesting i like Glenn Powell I make this pitch all the time, but I am firmly in the camp of Adam Driver for Dr. Duke.

He's too tied into Kyleoran right now. The only problem with it. Yes. Just let him play another creepy weirdo in a mask. He's good at it. I think Kyleoran, I think Adam Driver's a good looking guy, but he's not like that handsome figure like Dr. Doom. Henry Cavill's still the one that I want to,

I think would blow up the internet if they did that because he's six, he's six three, six four. We know he can play. a bad guy. It's the exact opposite of Manorsteel Superman. So it would be... Also, if you ever then end up in a situation where they do some big DC Marvel crossover

like 20 years from now, it'd be way too old at that point. But it would be dope as hell to see Henry Cavill beat his own ass. Well, let me ask that. So, like, if you were going to say you had Superman and Dr. Doom that Henry Cavill is up for... Right now. People think he's going to come back.

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It's. Oh, boy. Yeah, man. This. So Ryan Reynolds does what Ryan Reynolds does. He puts the social media video out the other day. It basically just burns the internet down. Now, it was hilarious because the first thing he starts with is, hey, sorry, D23. We couldn't be there. We couldn't give you anything. So basically it's like, hey, sorry, D23. We're going to pee on your heads right now with this announcement. that we probably should have dropped, and nobody would have been saying how disappointment the Marvel panel was because they announced Hugh Jackman coming back. So for some reason, and I don't know, maybe the contract wasn't done or whatever it wasn't.

They don't announce the D23. They do social media, and this also goes to Ryan Reynolds being a master marketer. Because what he did instead of it just being a part of a panel overall, it became its own thing. And it was, I did a video over it. Everybody was doing videos on and people were talking about it.

So if you're asking me why he did this and why they would want to do this, absolutely I understand. Now, if I'm D23, if I'm Disney, I'm going, please do it at the panel. Please do it at the panel. Please let's reveal it at the panel. But they didn't. And I think it was a smarter move for them not to do it at the panel. It's funny because I'm sure there was a way they could have come up with it.

But I don't think it makes sense to do it at the panel. And I think that Disney probably did give a thumbs up on this without a any issue because of who Deadpool is, not just Ryan Reynolds, but who Deadpool is. It would not make sense for him to show up at D23. That would be the last thing Deadpool would do. He would do something along these lines where he crashed it very Deadpool-ish and did it his own way. But I can't think of anything more Deadpoolian to be like, well, that D-23 thing was crap.

I don't, but I don't disagree with you though where, you know, you've got when you're walking around D-23 and Cinderella is dressed up. full garb and then Deadpool shows up. It's weird, but, but that's what it is right now. He's part of it, but let's talk about the actual reveal itself. Sure. There's so much inside of that. The first big reveal zip is the fact that I thought was that they, when it's coming out,

it's coming out now, is this a phase, is this a phase five movie? Is this a phase six movie? We don't know. It's September, it's the end of 20204, but what was? Between Fantastic Four and Avengers or right before Fantastic Four? Fantastic Four. Fantastic Four. It's, of course, supposed to be the beginning of 2025, I think.

I think that's what it is. But either way, I know, or the end, either way it was somewhere around there. Yeah, there's a lot of questions as far as where does this movie fit? The Googles. Yeah, where does this movie fit? And what do you think as far as where it fits and how it's ultimately going to play into the MCU? I think it's going to be one of those little, like, sort of appetizer movies, kind of like how Captain Marvel and Ant Man and the Wask came out in between Infinity War and Game, right?

Sort of one of those, like, here's a fun. little thing that doesn't have too much to do with whatever else is going on. Right. Which is good, which I think is sort of what Deadpool should be, right? I think it will be interesting to see if they try to tie it into like all the multiverse stuff. That's going to be ramping up then. They kind of have to though, right? With Hugh Jackman there, yeah.

But the thing is, this feels less like a payoff to the multiverse stuff and more like a payoff to Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman's long-running internet. Internet jokes. But why, wouldn't it be a little bit of, both because because if you have him if he's able to then you know join this mc u.c because of his buddy and the thing that they have together because he's been calling out wolverine the whole entire time but you and and also you know there was the whole thing with mangold when he tweeted that thing on everyone was was losing their mind on mangox mangoe tweeted out something that made it look like he was salty about the fact that they were

bringing wolverine back after logan died he's like no no no it's not what i'm saying all so silly it's it's it's first of all it's a very different time it's that was the thing that I think people keep forgetting about Logan. It could still be the end of stuff, but you have to remember where Deadpool is set in the timeline and where Logan is literally supposed to be over a decade or at this point. It was what, 2039 or something? But even it's different. And it could be a different universe.

That's why they have this whole thing, the way that's set up. And I think that you're still inside of the multiverse in 2024. And the end of the multiverse happens. The multiverse saga ends at the end of 2025. So you're still going to have all that. I think that the last Avengers movie with the, is it the King Dynasty? Is that the last one?

No, it's the King Dynasty, then Secret Wars. Then Secret Wars. Secret Wars is going to be that crazy. It's going to be. Because I think you're going to have every, that the stuff that we thought we were going to see in Dr. Strange, I think is where you're going to see.

How much do you know about the Secret War story? I read it a long time ago. I don't remember it enough. It's just, with the Beyonder essentially being like, I just want to see. I think this is, is going to be more based on the 2012.

So tell, so give me a breakdown. And what is, what is that 2020, what happens in that? So Jonathan Hickman concluded his like big Avengers and Fantastic Four runs at Marvel with this big secret horse thing where all of the universes in the multiverse were combined in the one world, basically. And so you had all the alternate versions of all the characters hanging out in a world, um,

you know, fighting each other like superheroes do. Um, and I think it's going to be based more on that. And that was very Fantastic 4 heavy in a way that I don't know that this would be just because the timing of the release. So you don't think that they're going to they're going to have a nut. Because you release Fantastic 4, I think what is it, 2024? 2005.

So the same year. So to answer the question. To answer the question really quickly about the bridge. Yeah. Thunderbolts rounds out phase 5 July 26, 2024. So this put and then Fantastic 4. starts phase 6 November 8th, 2024. So right. So this is

literally Deadpool, though, right? It would be after Deadpool would technically be the end of five, it sounds like. You mean into four? Five, four is ending. With Black Panther. So you're saying, yeah, but you said the end of five. You said Deadpool would be the end of five.

Yes. As then Thunderbolts was originally, Fantastic Four was supposed to be the beginning of six. Oh, sorry, right. All good. Six, right, right. Okay, right. So four. Did you some of the devil in him? I know. Right. My black grandma just came.

out of me when you said that. That's right. Four is, four is happening now. So then, so this would be, yeah, because then it's, it's, there's a lot to take in all at once because we never had to deal with phases that far in advance. Right. Yeah. Right. So it's a lot to, it's a lot to, it's a lot to keep track of. I just want it to be, I want secret words to be the payoff to phases four, five, and six, not the payoff to the last 20 years of comic book history. Which I know, I, and I think, and I think, well, I think you're going to get a little bit of A and big. I know. And, and, and this, and this has come up too with the with this whole hugh jackman thing and that it's my most like old man yells at cloud opinion is that i just want a hook besides you'll never guess who's back right because so many of the

movies that's the hook now is look who we got you're you're right so here's my question with that because i don't know maybe you guys know better than i do but i know that um for a while that there's still contracts to be that disney has for for x-men that they're not and i don't know this is what i think that the deal is i think that they're they're not allowed to use the characters of Wolverine, Cyclops, any of those characters, unless they use the actors that have played them already up until 2025. Really? That's something that once that contract expires, that's when they can recast.

That's when they can start doing stuff. So sort of a segue into the new version. That's why I think they're doing what they're doing. I think that with Wolverine, Hugh Jackman, to bring them back, you get them. But, boy, you also like, say that in 2025 during Secret Wars. that's when then Wolverine and then you can start

with the X-Men movies in 2026. The only reason that that is a baby bit dangerous is Secret Wars is the end of phase six and so if this is supposed to be your big master plan you're going to introduce the X-Men at the end of what is now your next however many year plan

and then... But that's only that's so condensed. The end of phase six is only like two years from that. Right. But the reason why also I think that makes sense is because if people are going, well, what are you going to do after that? If you already introduce her a bit?

Well, we haven't introduced the X-Men, yeah? And now it can be, right now, Fantastic Four, X-Men Heavy, like you start to introduce these people that it's like, Thor will be long gone, all these other people will be kind of long gone. We'll see how far along Sam is now as Captain America. And, like, those things.

I don't know. I get it. And I'm not saying that I don't want things to also then to continue, but knowing that I'm already feeling some fatigue right now, to then envision, I'm not even done with the journey I'm on and now I got to start worrying about another one. You would think I would be excited. I would rather you, I get it if there's contract stuff that's happening, whatever.

It seems weird a little bit in the sense that, you know, they do own fun at this point, but it is what it is. Well, they bought, well, no, no, no, but that's the difference. So I was confused about it beforehand when I was like, well, why? If they can't use, they own the characters. It's not necessarily by the characters. It's about the contracts of the actors and everything else, too. that's what you bought over. That makes more sense to me now,

as opposed to like, well, you can't use the character. Well, you can use the character. You just got to use Michael Fastbender or you got to use in McDermine. They want, McDermen,

if they want to do it. So if that's, and I'm a little, I'm still, that's the most understanding I have of it, but I'll let the audience tell me about. I was going to say,

is there, is this somewhere that people can look up? Because I'm very curious. It's scattered. It's scattered. And nobody has the extreme details on it. Sure. I'm very curious about it for sure.

I just find it very interesting because I know one of the things that the reason why Logan even happened, Hugh Jackman was tired of having to eat nothing but broccoli and chicken and work out six hours a day, which when you consider he's what, almost in his 50s, he's like 45. No, he's definitely in his 50s. So, I mean, you know what I'm saying? Like, I wouldn't blame him for being like, I don't want to do this anymore. Like, I really don't want to do this anymore. You know who might have the answer to this is coy, so too bad I'm here. Again, and Coy, I would say this term too. The thing of the Coy is that Coy and will come up here,

this is what Coy would say, Coy would go, no, what happened was this. They had the contracts and it was all set up. They can use Storm, they can use Halliberry, but they can't use this. And you'll go, oh, okay. And then you'll go, none of that. None of that was fact. But then he'll nail another comment that is 100% factual. He just sells it with conviction.

So that's, that's a lot of it. Am I wrong? I really hope he wants. watches this. I hope he does too. He knows. I told you I buried him in my back. I hope from the heaven or hell that he is chilling in that he is watching this episode. And then he haunts you. And then haunts you. I've been there before. He said something. I'm like, damn, I didn't know that. And I look and I go, none of that. And then he says something. And I go, all right, that was probably full of it. And then it's 100% true. So you never know with that guy. He can, he can sell it. I'm telling you should be selling, he should be selling Cadillacs. or something is amazing. I don't know why.

Why not? You know why? The answer why is how many cattle acts you see on the street these days? Okay. That's what anyone could sell me in the cattle. I mean, look, man, Caddy making a comeback. They just stopped going with them big ass boats

that pimps used to drive. They got the SUVs now. Right. Fine, you can use a pre-assus for all I care. All right, let's move on. But I mean, that's just anything else. I mean, that's the main thing I think, again, like, it's the fact that we

get to see Deadpool, Deadpool 3. We're going to get a rated at our movie. We're going to get cute Jackman in it. I'm just, I'm excited. I love the two of them on X. Oh, geez. Oh, like a four letter word. I love them on X-Force together in the comics. I just love the interaction

between Reynolds and Jackman, which honestly, that's the main reason I'm excited. The chemistry. But what's funny about that, though, there's not a single person so far with Ryan Reynolds that I haven't loved their chemistry, though. these two are different because they agree. I agree with you.

There is definitely because they've been doing this rivalry thing with one, one's gin and one's, it's like Jimmy Kimmel and Matt Damon. It's like Jimmy Kimmel and Matt Damon. It's like that, that type of thing that they've been playing off of it. And that's probably one of the main reasons. The other reason I think that Hugh Jackman probably wants to do this

because he hasn't been part of the MCU. You get to be part of, look, Tommy McGuire, Andrew Garfield are now part of the MCU. I'm going to play in the sandbox for a little bit. I mean, look, it would be great. if he was imagine and I don't know if this is going to happen but imagine if he actually fought the new wolverine in secret wars I mean who would want to see that that would be pretty great so I mean it's like passing the torch you know and it's like do we think down he's coming back eventually but not for anything made I think it would be a secret wars thing where he makes or even in a battle where like in the same way that that Gwyneth came in his rescue and was like a big deal in the battle at the end yeah it might be like four voice lines like and then he's in the suit. Yeah, exactly.

I could see something like that, but I don't see him really outside of maybe like the recruiting Peter in his bedroom. I don't see much more than a scene like that in an action scene. Yeah, yeah, I just meant it in general. But like, and going back to what you did too about as far as fatigue. And there are people that are like, okay, there's so much Marvel stuff too. The one thing that I will say is as someone for yourself who watches like the Bachelor franchise, right? I just had a conversation with my, so for people who didn't know I used to work for The Bachelor.

And I just had a conversation with my old boss. It was the sweetest guy in the world. He's now an executive producer for a bachelor's. Oh, wow. It's been there. Mike Fleas? No, he, Mike Fleas is the creator. Jeff is his name.

Okay. But so Jeff and I spoke, but Jeff and I talked to him, I said, that show, they're just continuously always on now. It's, it is, it is. But they're crushing. But the thing is. Are they? Oh, they're ratings? Dude, that show.

I thought, everything I had heard is that the ratings were in trouble. Is it not? Oh, wow. show has been on the air since 2000 or 2001. Oh, I thought you meant specifically this year. This season is probably, but they're going to have ebbs and flows and ups and downs. Depending on who the Bachelor is and Bachelor at all the know. Bachelor in Paradise is probably crushing right now.

And the thing is because that is a generational show. So, like, for example, I have a 10-year-old girl right now who is not watching The Bachelor, right? At 15, I can't guarantee that she won't be. At 14, I can't guarantee you this reward me, right? Because her interest will change. And that type of thing, as long as they keep it relevant, and that's the same thing in Marvel. They just compare to the Bachelor of Marvel? Yes.

I do it all the time. Yeah, we get, there are people who have bailed. There are people who have veiled on Marvel, right? Again, I use my daughter as an example. My daughter's 10 years old. She's now, she's just learning the MCU. She's going as Black Widow this year as Halloween. Nice.

Right? And it's like, she's 10. Which one? Yelena or Natasha? Natasha. She loves Natasha. We're, we just finished,

uh, Winter Soldier last night. Okay. So we just, and we started, uh, guardians. Oh,

nice. She's like, and so my wife hates guardians. So, really. Yeah, she's not her to think, but like,

you know what? Krista didn't like it either. Yeah, so why, she didn't hate it, but she was like, I don't need to watch. My wife,

like, my wife goes talking raccoon, I'm out, right? So, so watching it with my daughter, like the beginning of it. and my daughter was cracking up just in the beginning of me singing to the whatever the rats. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay, I can watch this with her. She's going to love this. But anyway, it's just a generational thing. But we have, look, let's see if we have it. I do want to talk about this, this blade story. Let's talk about that. Where is the story? It's here somewhere.

We've got to get you to start, like, labeling the files. Instead of just screenshot this. Well, you want to come in and do it in the morning? You got, you go on the thumbnails and shows for the other show. We all know bread is the one doing all the work around here. Not this work. So let's, I want to get to this blade news and then we can we can call it out. And RIP to Culeo, by the, dude, I have had the Keenan and Kell theme on repeat.

I don't know if y'all remember he actually did the theme song for Kenan and Cal. Yeah. Yeah. No, he, the thing that upset me about him dying, bro, is other than him, obviously dying, is that them, you didn't need to include the part. Well, he went to the bathroom and he never came back. Like, give the man some dignity. You don't have to tell everybody that he died in the bathroom. Elvis got it.

Yeah, but like, you know better, you do better. Just be like, well, they didn't say he was taking a dump or anything. They just said that he, they just said he was in the bathroom. He could have slipped. He could have slipped his head. They said Elvis was taking a dump. That's like, you know, you're never going to live that down. Like, they didn't say that Kulio was on the bowl.

Yeah. But I loved. I mean, it's so good. Loved. He was so. Love them. And that made me feel that like, you know, I don't know that that snapped me into reality because I just remember being like a kid and his and his songs coming on and been like, and that wasn't very long ago. It's like, you know, whatever it was. You're like, crazy. Sorry to Kula. And it is also relevant because he was in Batman and Robin. How about that? Yes, he was or was. How about that? All right. Let's wait, which part of bat because I it's, he's like on the she's like he's the one doing. he's the one doing the bike races.

He's doing the bike races. All right, let's talk about this story because I want to get you guys take on and then we can get out of here. And I'll start with my take on it and I'll see you guys agree, disagree. Marvel's Blade loses its director.

Filmmaker Basam Tarik has dropped out of directing the Blade film at Marvel Studios. The project has been ready to kick off filming this November in Atlanta and it's unclear how his departure will impact the production start of the vampire action thriller.

Oscar winner Mahershaw Lee steps into the role the half a mortal vampire hunting day walker previously made famous by wesley snipes led trilogy in a statement marvel says due to continued shifts in our production schedule sam is no longer moving forward as director of blade but will remain an executive producer on the film we appreciate sam's talent and all the work he's doing uh excuse me done getting blade to where it is the studio is reportedly allegedly excuse me already in the search mode for a new director the project has seen several rewrites over time with star trek strange New Worlds, The Witcher and Moon Night Scribe, Bo DeMaio, serving as the current writer. Delroy Lindo and Aaron Pease, Pierce, co-star, and Blade, which currently remains on track for

November 23, the November 3rd, 2023 release. All right, so there's a lot to unpack here, like a lot. All right, so the first is that's about as PR of a statement as you ever get. And they even stayed away from creative differences. We didn't even drive that. They went straight to schedule, which is, what do we say? scheduling. That's part of one. So is it possible that scheduling? Sure. Do I believe it? No. My take on it is this. My take on it is what we've been talking about on this show for the last month. And that's the three most divisive conversation within the fandom of Marvel Cinematic Universe so far, I think, of recent, has been Eternals, Dr. Strange, and Thor Love and Thunder. Those are all three movies with specific director takes.

It was a Chloe Zow movie. It was a Sam Ramey movie. I like all three of those movies. I love Eternals. The other two. The other two. And I don't. And I really don't.

I dislike love and thunder by the day. By the day. And I love Tekewatea. Love them. My issue with it is that, and I think that what they've done is that they've done this thing where they're going. Okay.

I really like what you do for your movies. And instead of telling a Marvel movie, I want you to make a Winston A Marshall movie. That's what I want you to do. Right. You're going to give me $40 million? That's what I mean. But that's what I mean, though.

And it never was a thing. It never was, it used to be. Oh. Well, there are exceptions. James Gunn. The Guardians movies are James Gunn movies. Yes, but it's different, though. But it's different.

I'm not telling you, Ryan Cougar has Ryan Cougar has a style. Sure. But the difference is that there's a kooky and something like a Guardians of the Galaxy has a Cooky feel, it has these things. You're 100% right. It's got James Gunn's tone all over the damn thing. And I actually think it hurt in Guardians 2. Guardians 2 is my favorite MCU movie. I hate that movie.

The last year piece, it makes me cry. I hate that. I hate that. And I love James Gunn. And I love James Gunn. I haven't re-watched it again. I have to watch it recently. I mean, after Love and Thunder, you'll probably think it's your favorite

our MCU movie. You know why you're not wrong? because I remember when when Ellis and I started reviewing movies up top and we had seen Thor and Dark World and my least favorite part of those movies was Cat Dennings because I thought she was too over the top

with humor. He does not bother me at all anymore when I watch these movies like at all I just watched them recently and I used to be verbally like Pat Dennings is the biggest oh for me or she's fine when I watch it because I think that I'm so it's so over the top now but I'm back to the point I don't want to hear what you guys think as far as they give tyka do a tyka movie do a sam ramey movie do with this movie i think that's

stopping now because i think that the reason why they got the director of um of wandavision is and i'm not saying that just be like okay do what we want you to do we want a good director to tell a marvel story as opposed to okay you're doing a marvel movie but just make it a make it a sam ramy movie so i think that this guy was like got that directive now is what i want to do with sam ramy tyka and And Chloe did. And they're like, no, we need you to stay on course with this now because we're going back to what we used to do. So I don't know. Am I out of my mind?

I don't know. I think it's a balance because the thing for me with Dr. Strange is like it is a Sam Ramey movie, which is what I loved about it. But it was better at being a Sam Ramey movie than it was at being an MCU movie. Right, right. It was when it tried to be a Marvel movie that I thought it stumbled. Absolutely. And when it tried to be a Sam Ramey movie that I thought it soared.

And not everybody's a Ramey fan. Right. Right. Also true. I very much am. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love that. I think Ramey heads love that movie.

Yeah. Yeah. And that's mostly, I walked out of it being like, so-so MCU movie, good Sam Ramey movie. Right. I do want to balance because I do want the directors to bring themselves to the movies. Right. You have to. Well, I think Ryan Cougar's doing that.

Yes. Yeah. Yes. So I hope they don't pull away from it too hard. And the Wanda Vision guy, I mean, Vision is really good. That's my game. Well, that's what I'm saying, though. That's that, but don't be, don't be confused with the fact that, like, where I think,

I think they did it in the past really well. I think Peyton Reed put his own style on, on it, too, and didn't just do, like, it's not like Richard Mark Juan for Return of the Jedi where it's just like, hey, just, George Lucas is basically going to direct, just sit there and just call action and do all this and it's not that. It's, I think it is, I think that how it used to be was that balance. I think they need to get back to that, to that balance, because I think that the problem is when you start overpowering with the director's style, you, you're not, you're not,

going to be able to tell your television stories in one movie i'll tell you i'll say two things one i don't i don't i don't think that this is a you can't go whatever because i while perfectly while erc was talking i'm not super familiar with bossum um dude doesn't have a style per se to to to do that right now sam ramy is sam ramy chloe zhao is oscar winning director clovis like there is something there to do that but just looking at who's to know winson sorry i want to hear your point here but who's to know that that's not the conversation in general that he said like hey it is it is very it is very possible but i again just looking at his his stuff right here there's not a whole lot it looks like for him to have done that

unless i have the wrong dude uh basham tarreek yeah but yeah but maybe maybe he wanted to do his own style and say maybe he thought and and and what you're saying is basically what marvel said like dude you haven't you we brought you on it so you can do what we're asking you to do here right and and so it's i I mean, it is certainly possible. He may have gone Big D energy and was like, look, you're either going to, you're either going to do this, but I would venture more of a guest knowing this, and this looks a lot like what a lot of the Marvel directors were in phases one through three with, like, exceptions.

Obviously, Fabro had been Fabro and kicked this all off. And Kenneth Browna as well, most of them didn't necessarily have that, like, stamp yet. And so it was easier to be like, this is what we're doing. You can do some of your stuff, but we're plugging you in. Well, look at the Rousseau. Rousseau. Rousseau came in as, as comedy directors from a sitcom, right? Right.

They put their own style to it. So going back to what you're saying, like, they were like, the Rousseau's developed their director voices in these in the middle of these films, right? For sure. And they weren't like handcuffed. They were just, they told the story they were supposed to tell. And that's all I'm saying is that when, like, when a director comes in and overpowers, That was my problem when they announced Sam Ramey.

I was like, because I'm not, there's some movies that I like, but I'm not a Sam Ramey head. And I said, Sam Ramey heads are going to love this movie because it's Sam Ramey. Like I thought, and I'm sure you love this moment, the moment, like when Bruce Campbell's beaten a hell out of himself, evil, dead style, horrible. I know it was horrible. Right. And you probably loved it. Delightful.

Right. 100%. And I knew that, but I knew that watching it. I think I said it to you afterwards. I was like, I go, I was like, okay, look, this is, this is something that Sam Ramey has. My friend James Pallia is a massive. of Evil Dead fan. And I was like, he's going to love that.

He loved it. He loved that moment. To me, it also comes down so much to the script. Because with Wanda Vision as an example, all the biggest swings in Wanda Vision were on the page, right? All the biggest swings were in those choices. And with Dr. Strange, the reason I latched on to the Sam Rameyness of the movie

is because the script didn't give me that much to latch on to. I think that's fair. Yeah. Yeah, it's fair. I mean, look, another Sam Ramey moment that I thought was stylistically was gorgeous, but it went on forever was the piano thing, which you loved. The piano, the notes, music notes.

Delightful. Right. And that's it. But again, I knew it. I knew it. Anyway, there's a lot to talk about. I think that this particular... I was just going to say,

I think we figured out what your shirt is, just delightful. I wish that we were still doing Shmowdown because I would have brought that into like a script. And it's like that would have been, that could have been your tag. It's delightful. Like, oh, I, I, I, I,

I mean, you know, you have a very strong point because I even think it's not just the right. I feel like there was something going on with multiverse of madness and I look back at it and there's stuff to like. But I feel like they weren't feeling super confident about what the movie was going where they both, A, let Ramey just do Ramey, but then also B, even with the marketing, I think one of the biggest mistakes they made was revealing the Illuminati. I think that that should have never been a part of the marketing because, you know, All of a sudden, every complaint you have about this is a very ramy movie, what could have been such a massive reveal would have probably completely changed your mind about the film. They're probably worried about leaks, you know, and they're probably worried about it because they try, you know, the leaks come out where they try to hold it for Toby and Andrew forever.

And they try to, they figure they probably get ahead of it, which I agree. I agree with you. I think that they should have tried to hold it. But then I think what you do is you up your security and if a leak gets out, then you get in front of it. But do not preemptively think. I think that that was a bad move. I don't disagree with you. All right.

Look, it's a great. It was a lot of fun today. It was delightful. It was delightful. We didn't get a chance to talk about everything, but we talked about a lot. So I'd love to hear your thoughts on everything we talked about here today. Make sure that you do that.

Now, Zip, I couldn't find you on the Twitter anymore. You're not on Twitter anymore? I got rid of Twitter and it turns out I'm happy now. You know, ask me if that's surprise. Is that surprising? Not at all, and I wish I could do it myself. I, I, you know how much of an advocate I am thinking that I think Twitter and Facebook

it should go away. It would hurt my business tremendously, but I think it should go away. It's rough, man. It didn't make me feel bad. Yeah, are you on Instagram? Either. No. No, I couldn't find you on anything.

Just letterboxed. Okay, so look, this is their exhibit. That's why I look. You see, our exhibit is no social there. Winston is right here, and you can find him at the Swaggy Blurts. Make sure you check him out for sure. Yeah, yeah. He'll be back next week for, and by the way, as I mentioned on, on Patreon, people have

asking rewatches. We're back on rewatch and we're going to be on in October. Both Winston, myself, and Koi will be doing Shazam in November, Black Panther in December Avatar. So if you want to join up to Patreon, you can see those rewatches. They're over there now. And in its place, capes and cows. So, guys, thank you so much for joining us today. Thank you for Zip for joining us. Thank you. It was. Come back. Delightful. Yes, please come back. And we will talk to you guys soon. Thank you so much. We'll see on the flip side. Peace. And now

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