The Kristian Harloff Show - SHE-HULK EPISODE 9 Spoiler Discussion | Capes and Cowls | Marvel | Black Adam

Episode Date: October 14, 2022

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All right, everybody. It's Capes and Cows. Let's do it. Me and you and Winston and Koi. I'm ready. You ready? great let's do it welcome back everybody it's capes and cows it's myself it's coy and Winston a mark check it's season isn't it isn't it it's nice and we still have the air conditioner on

anyway that's a reason for me to keep this on it's true all right let's just get into it guys we're going to go straight into it i don't have a graphic for the she-hulk stuff i put a graphic for everything else except uh she-hulk today and i screwed i messed up but we had episode nine it was the finale are going to be spoilers on this. So if you have not seen it, you should tune out and obviously look at the time code for the next thing that comes in.

All right, my thoughts on this was that as I was starting it out, I love the way that episode eight ended, right? And it was, as I said, we talked about and agreed that it was like the three episodes had the perfect balance with the three best, at least in my opinion. It's like, okay, well now, and as you said,

what are they going to do to wrap this up to make it all make sense? Instead, they go with this thing of like, we're really going to break the fourth wall now and now we're going to go into the writer's room and they're going to do this and I was like what the hell am I watching? I just I thoroughly

dislike this episode but what I will say is I thought there was a lot of clever stuff that they did inside of it. I thought a lot of the jokes didn't work. I thought a lot of the jokes did work. I just didn't like the direction where they're in. I also what I did like, even though I didn't like it was the fact that

when they turned the Todd Phillips thing I think it's hilarious, by the way, but they turn Todd Phillips into the Hulk. And I'm like, this is where they're going with this is ridiculous. And she turns, this is ridiculous. I'm like, okay. I was like, but where are they going to go with that? And then she shows up to Disney and she's in the writer's room. And it's like, oh, yeah, by the way, I know she's been telling you this is a show a show the whole time,

but it's really a show. Here's the writer's room. Here's this. And I had to talk to Kevin. Clever. But lost me. I was just like, okay, they're really patting themselves on the back here. But I know you guys loved it.

So I haven't even talked. Don't speak for me. I know you well enough that you both loved it. Am I wrong? Don't speak for me. All right. Go ahead. Winston,

what did you think about it, Winston? So I actually tweeted about it this morning. Watched it not Stone this time. Okay. It's like a catcher ban. At 4 a.m. It's 6 this time. Oh.

I, you were correct in that I liked what they went for. I appreciated going in the writer's room. I appreciated the nod to the, Natasha hallway fight from Iron Man 2. I appreciated the Kevin being like this kind of overlord AI type situation. They even has a little hat. I thought that was cool.

Here's my issue. The way I described it, the way I felt at the end of this is I felt like I had a meal that was well prepared, that I liked the ingredients, I like the flavor profiling, but then I finished and I was like, why am I still hungry? And so what my issue is, is that we had a situation with this episode where I felt a lot of stuff that should have been bigger payoffs one way or the other just didn't happen. Right. And so I felt I loved the meta element, but I would have preferred is if she gave her suggestions

for what needs to go down, cool, we're good, go back into the show and now let's actually do it. Sure. And that's my problem. To just then immediately go, and you're arrested and you're arrested and you're, I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That doesn't work for me. Because you know what it was.

That was a problem for me is that it's just. It was a clever bit, but they went for the bit. And the whole episode was a bit. And it was not, it had no follow-up to the show. It had no follow-up to the, that balance was out the window. The balance that we talked about, we love so much, that balance was gone. It literally felt like, I thought that the, for the Schmodon heads here that's all spectacular, I loved the bit that Shazam did about, like, everybody got killed by chainsaws.

But you essentially put up the technical difficulty screen, and then you just pop back into, like, the end of the match. And it's like, wow, man, that was crazy, what everything happened and blah, blah, blah. If you do that bit, I need you to go right back to the point where maybe Todd is about to inject himself with the blood and give me a different direction. So that we just realized, no, no, no, no, this isn't going to work. Rewind, start over and finish. That was, I think, as I've had time to process, why I didn't feel satisfied because I felt like you cheated me out of the moments that pay off. And I'm not saying I need a massive fight scene. But I do need to address what's going on.

So I really liked that we finally got the. closure for Jen, but I do feel like everything. And that was in the beginning of the episode. She finally realized she wanted to be Hulk. She finally realized she could be Jen Walters and she'll. And that was kind of the point of the show is accepting of self and realizing that if everyone's against you, you've got to figure out how to be comfortable in your own self and your own skin. And I loved all that got accomplished. But then the Danu Ma was all of this extra stuff where you know, the fourth wall is fully broken and all that. So personally, I liked episodes one, two, eight, nine, but I definitely felt like it could have been a six episode show.

and then this could have been the penultimate show. I would have done one, two, eight, nine, and the 10th episode would have been the conclusion. So we have the fourth wall break. We make her aware that she's in a writer's room. We do all the Truman Show stuff. We make this episode, the second to last episode. And then we have a closure episode.

We have more of the eight Lord of the Rings endings. I would have rather had a slow rollout. Things get accomplished or had this be an hour long. But I did feel the unsatisfied sandwich thing. But I also felt the middle of the show wasn't as good. I did enjoy this episode, but I didn't think that the middle was as good as this. So then I just kind of was like, I don't know how I feel about the show overall. Because I do like that it made fun of the things that we didn't enjoy.

Some of the writing being cliche, some of the choices being over the top. And they did that by doing this very comic accurate shield fourth wall break. So I do think the episode nine elevated the show for me some, but it's still probably like my third to least favorite of them. Because overall, just because they explained things being iffy, doesn't make the iffy things less iffy. I agree. Yeah, and I think that for me is that if you enjoy this and you think that, you know, it was, which again, it was clever, but it's like the problem that I have with it overall is that it just seems like the writers were making this show for themselves.

Like they knew, they knew that there'd be some people, people are really going to enjoy this. They had full intention of pissing off a lot of people. They had full intention. See, that's where this, and this comes back to the me being petty thing. Like, I enjoyed that. Like making a show to make trolls upset is great. No, there is an aspect too. it that I agree because I think that even when we sometimes when you go into it and you and address it too much like you know we've had our conversations about it and I even said to myself and I said a couple of people we've have conversations about social media in general how we approach it and then we've done that a few times and the audience had said at one point we get it but if you can like I don't want to tune into that every week and I look at that and I said you're right we've we've we've made our point clear and then let's move on let's do our show every week and it's like it's like I get it

And it's, you're not wrong, but you're sacrificing the show, in my opinion, because I think you lose a lot of what the great, like the balance, again, I'm overusing that word, but the balance of the show was lost. And there are some funny lines. Like when she says, we smash this, she smashed this and Matt Murdoch sometime. hilarious. That was right. The X-Men moment. There was a lot. There's a lot of great stuff inside of it.

But it's just like anything else, they sacrificed the story for the bits. the way Guardians 2 did for me. Like, it's like they, and although I think Guardians 2 had more emotional moments to tie up the very thing. That was the thing. I would, I would make the argument, Guardians 2, why a lot of people don't like it,

as that was more of a direct look at those relationships and it was a plot. The plot was pretty thin, but it was truly about Peter and Yandu and his, and ego. It was about Gamora and Nebula. It was about Rocket

and all of them is, like, that that was the focus. And not really the plot of what Ego was trying to do. That was kind of half-assed in my opinion. But I think that's the problem is that, like you said, you kept relaying it to an S&L bit. They did do that, but the one thing that I will give that typically is at the core of those sketches, which I've done them before, is that you still have to have a through line.

And you still have to have a through line that you focus on. If we had gotten back to the scene, she knocks out Todd, and now we're immediately in court, and he's being prosecuted. It's a rewrite. Yeah, for sure. I thought they were going that way. That's why I think the second to last episode should have been the big reveal. Honestly, most of the shows I wish were longer than six episodes.

This show, I wish it went one, two, some of the dating stuff, maybe the Wong stuff is a middle episode, then this episode, and then a rewrite closure episode. I would have just changed the flow. But even that stuff you mentioned, right? It's like a lot of the stuff that they were setting up throughout the storyline was just kind of thrown away. Like the dude who sleeps with her takes the blood from her, right? He goes, oh yeah, by the way, I hired that guy. And then you're like, so we're never going to see that guy again? That's all the guy.

They just got, he just did it for money. That was it. And then I did, I like the bit when Pug goes in there and he's listening. He said, he was, I got the thing hanging in my ear. He's like, nah, everyone's not going to get it. I mean, I thought his whole infiltration and how he was just like, now quick, call him females. I get him, they're females. I was like, you know, that's, that's up to, literally up and two.

when he turns into the Hulk. Yeah. And then that things got weird because then Titania shows up and that's when I was like, oh, okay, I get it. But I think that's why the bit works for me is because the level of extreme. Absolutely.

Of the whole show. Absolutely. Well, that was the bit. Yeah, the bit was. It retroactively improved how bad for me those moments felt. Yeah. Right.

Well, I agree with you. And that's why, like I'm saying, I'm different on Christian where Christian didn't like the writer's room at all. I liked everything up into her and Kevin. I was like, great. Now, let's see what they're going to rewrite this and do and they never did it.

Yeah, well, I think that maybe that's the same thing is that, well, there's two sides of it. One is that I think that if they would have done what they did there, it still at least makes a lot of this stuff when she's talking in the car about this is my show, this is that, at least it feels consistent, right? Because then they go, because after that moment, when that happens, they go back into the show, right? This is just like you said, it's just a wrap up. She wrote the whole thing, but we never see it. Literally what it feels like is if someone tells you an epic tale and then they go, and then I, and then I, everybody that was bad with jail and I was happy. The end.

Right. But we get to see Deer Devil and Deer Devil is just kind of there with, you know, at the dinner table, which is fine. It was a good scene. But yeah. So in the show when, when Titania buss in and Shield goes like, this can't be real. And then you realize the fourth wall thing. When it pauses and it like glitches, which I thought was genius.

The use of Disney Plus as a medium was so clever. But to me, that moment when she's like, this can't be what happens. And then they start to explain that this isn't what happens. I was like, okay, all in. But then the show ended in much the same way, like, and that's all that happens. Yeah. So I agree with you. So my issue is in the last fight when she's going, this can't be everything, that to me feels like an excuse for the middle chunk.

So to use your sandwich metaphor, I love the bread, didn't love some of the toppings in the middle. Yeah, I think for me, as I, even, because I do think the writers from stuff, was it clever? Sure. My biggest problem was, though, it's such a peek behind the curtain overall, like when that was, I know Deadpool does it also, right, but Deadpool's never really been part of the MCU, and it's just like, oh, by the way, none of this MCU stuff, it's, it's, like, it's, like, it's all not real.

And like, when I'm watching it, obviously we know that entertainment's entertainment, but when I'm watching the show, I like to pretend that this stuff is, of this. And it's like, this is like, this isn't real, this isn't real, none of it's real. She said at this beginning, it's not real. I know this is really not real, and I'm like, it was a bit, and it just, it shouldn't be part of the MCU, just the bit.

But I think the one, the part that I like, like about it because remind me the top of the top is the one above all who is like essentially Stan Lee that is like the god of like marvel there's a character name it's beyond it's not the beyonder it's not beyonder just controls the cosmic elements right there's there's oh careful the one above all it might be the one above all okay which is literally meant to be like kind of god and those moments that the one above all it's a Kirby stanley combo yes one above all okay so whenever the one above all shows up it is very like kind of meta like okay look I'm your creator.

I penned you, all that kind of stuff, almost like an, like an animaniacs or freakazoid type. And I'm fine with that, as long as we can then plug back in. And that's an issue. I don't feel like we plugged back in.

I think we all wanted the same thing that last. They're a little bit more at the end. It just, it seems like that. And I just, and I think that because the tease at the last episode, it was like, oh,

they're getting back on track of, for what, for my taste. It was perfect, man. Yeah, sort of my taste of that blend of, this is the, because she even says it.

She's like, to Kevin. she goes, it's a legal drama. It goes, all right, tell yourself that. Whatever, whatever, or legal comedy, whatever. And I was like, we ended so strong. And then when she's in jail, she's just kind of in that same prison as Blonsky is. And then like, I will get, we'll get you out now.

It's like, there's no stakes. Because I even thought what was about to happen with abomination is that she was going to walk. I was like, oh, my God, he really was in on it. I was like, please don't actually be in on it. But then I kind of saw it. I was like, oh, there's going to be a fight between the two where they genuinely is a misunderstanding.

Like he actually isn't evil But I really love the trolling of Hulk being in the episode I thought that was worth everything Like that was so clever to be like Oh the Hulk fight Nah Like I thought that was worth the bit

Well again it was It's not that I didn't I didn't think the bit was lazy I thought it was clever I thought there were a lot of jokes inside of That were funny I just for you I just didn't it's more than that

Where I think it's just not the direction That I think that They where they led from the last episode It's like the time was completely different. Like completely. They had. They lucid in the football to you.

Yeah. They, they, you, you finally thought this was the time the show was going to fully let you kick the football. And as soon as you got comfortable to do it, they pulled it away and you got,

and you got upset about it. And I get that. I don't think upset. No, I know what you mean, but I, but it wasn't, it was just kind of like I was watching it.

And I was like, as that happened, I'm like, oh, this is what they're doing. I'm okay, okay. And then as, I watch it with subtitles.

So I kind of spoiler for myself. About Kevin. When it said Kevin, it was... An acronym. Yeah, it had an acronym. So I was like, okay, well, it's not going to be Kevin Feig. There's no chance he's going to put it. Because I don't think he can't put himself in it because then he's starting to get into a different territory with himself.

So I was happy that he was... I love the hat, though. The hat was hilarious. Absolutely. But I do think it was a little... I don't know. It's just when they're trying to build out this whole new thing, maybe it was just one to kind of, you know, it's like an appetizer. And then they're going to really start getting a little bit more serious now with Black Panther and everything too.

Black Panther, what a switch, man. I know, that's what I mean. It's had as great a second. For this to be the last thing that we see before Black Panther is kind of wild. And that talking drum sound beat when they're like the visual effects artist has moved on to another team. That was, oh, I didn't even hear the drum beat. It literally goes, they've moved on another team and then the talking drum hits. So it gives you that two seconds of that Kendrick score.

I see, I miss that. I was listening when she said X-Men to hear the riff again like in Miss Marvel. They gave us over forever. But I do look. That bit was funny to me. Okay, I need you to transform. But wait till the camera's off you. That was great.

That was great. Because they were working on something else. Again, there's not, it wasn't like, I didn't think they were lazy jokes. I thought they were good jokes. I thought they were funny jokes. I just thought there were jokes that were like, okay, these are the writers sitting around. Like, they knew what they were going to do. And they were throwing, they were, they were, it was, it was, it was a Ryan Johnson moment to me, to be honest with you.

Of the life. That's why I liked it. Maybe so. Maybe so. Maybe so. Maybe so. I really like when the writers are like, ha ha ha ha. But it's, but.

Oh, you mean like the tossing the lightsaber thing. No, but it, but a lot of different things. but just I think that knowing, just kind of goading on the audience a little bit and pushing it out because for as much as Ryan Johnson says, oh, I didn't know they would react their way, yes, he did. And there were other things like the writers clearly knew that they were going to be, and I'm not just talking about the trolls. And I'm not just talking about people who were, you know,

because what I did, what I didn't like, to be completely honest with you, is they took a couple shots on people inside of the episode because they went after everybody, but they went out to people when it's like, even if you don't like the show, and there are people who are like, well, I didn't really like the show because this, and it even went after those people in it, because it's like, it almost made me feel like, oh, they want everyone to, if you don't understand this show, then you don't, then you,

then you're, you don't get it. You're not one of the cool kids. That's one of the problems I've always talked about. That's the way it felt watching it. And I was like, okay, it was, it was clever, but. I guess the part reason why that doesn't necessarily bother me is if you've made it very clear that that's what you're doing, then that's what you're doing. I know, but why take shots at everybody?

Well, South Park does. It's a different, it's a different shot, but if you notice, South Park literally takes a shot at every single person, including themselves, which they did in this too. But that's South Park. South Park is, that's not a brand that South Park, South Park never changed since day one. That's South Park. But that's, but for the show. It's not Marvel though.

But for this show. Yeah, I mean, yeah, but that evolved too. Even the first couple episodes were they, and they changed it. They changed episode one because they had screened episode one. They wouldn't have had the same kind of reaction because they almost duped everybody with the first one. He was like, this is what the show is. I'm really curious to rewatch it with the knowledge of what it is and then find out what the order had been. I would love to know the order and then to watch it in that lens and see if it changes something for me.

Right. Yeah. I would be curious. A few other things, the stuff, the rare bits of Marvel stuff that you actually got in this episode was the Hulk stuff with the sun. Yeah, scar. Oh, let's go. Because they did ask, she asked Kevin about the X-Men. He goes, so he can't sue that right now. She's like, fine.

And he's like, well, we were going to announce this thing. She's like, nah, don't bring it up. And he said, but we were going to, no, no, no, so whatever they were going to. talk about. But they did. They did. He said, save it for the movie. The one thing that they did show, because what he was just about to talk about is what Bruce has been doing. They brought his son. So Scar is his son. Now wait, doesn't the kid die? Uh, yeah, but I don't know if they're gonna, if you look at where the phase four is gone, everyone's a parent now, right? Like Ironman, his kids, this is why he sacrificed himself four at the end. Like, I feel like there's just going to

be this paternal young Avengers thing. And I think Scar might take Hulkling spot. In the comic, there's a character named Hulkling. They haven't really introduced the scrolls enough. You know what I mean? Like they haven't really... So there's a love story between Hulkling and one of the kids of Wanda. So that might be what they do here

is introduce him for that reason. So they could kill him, but they also might kind of make him someone else. But also, if I remember from World War Hope, though I know that that kind of is almost a divergent storyline a little bit. Yeah. They might just lose the wife, you know what I mean?

Like they can have the Hulk rage. Also, the fact that Hulk's back, like, I feel like they might not. They were building it differently anyway. Because the fact that we did Ragnarok, you decided to blend two different things. You know what I did like, though, the opening, which I liked a lot, was the homage to the original The Lufragno series. Yeah.

Oh my God. It was so funny. It was the way that it was shot and everything to. Like that was, I enjoyed that and then when it was her dream, I was like, that's, again, the episode was clever. I'm not going to take it away from it. I just think it was. What a great Whirl by night follow it too. Timing wise.

the schedule like it's spooky season you give us that 70s i guess i guess my final takeaway is is just that i felt like i fully had invested in her being truly um violated right and i wanted to see her right get justice i wanted her to to whoop some people's ass and i wanted her to put some people in jail or take them for all their money and i don't it was just kind of a show uh like a tell right instead of a show they just told me and now they're going to do the court scene i want to see the I want to see you make Todd squirm. Oh, Todd's also an imbecile, though, which is also why it wasn't a big threat at all, because here's the best friend who goes, oh, I have a video of She Hulk dancing around,

which why that was embarrassing. It's so it was pretty hot. But either way, like she... Ask the right about AOC, that's it. What's that? It was the AOC thing. Oh, is that what it was? Yeah.

It was a twerking video. And how... Impetent men get embarrassed, man. It's so silly. Why anyone thinks that that's embarrassing? But anyway, the point is... is that the best friend sends that in and they go, hey, thanks to the video, come on to the big secret rally. No other.

Not, all right, let me test you out. Let me see who you. Like, I have all this money. Let's do a, no, because we have 32 minutes. We don't have enough time. So yeah, just come on, come on to the thing. There's like, that's what I meant about the show when I'm talking about my biggest criticism. Nothing feels real.

And you're like, well, it's a movie. It's a superhero thing. It's not supposed to be real. Everything else that you've watched, whether it's. But that's why I like the ending. this show is not, it's not the same. It isn't real because of the ending. Right.

So like to me, that helped a lot of the writing. Absolutely. It's consistent with everything in general and for people. And Winston does this a lot too, which, and I know you're not making an excuse for, but you say a lot where you say, well, that's what it was in the comics.

I don't care. It wasn't the comics. I didn't like, I probably wouldn't like it in the comics either. You know, it's like. But yeah, I'm not parallel in the comics here,

which I do think they happen. No, no, I totally get. I agree with you. Like I don't, I don't think it is that way in the comics is a good enough excuse because some comics aren't good.

People do them all the time. But it's like watching a movie and you're like other movies have done that. Yeah, but I didn't like that movie. So I get you. But especially because they are not doing an actual full-on adaptation. Like if you were doing Harry Potter,

you cut stuff for time, but you leave everything in. Well, it's the difference between the Ron Perlman Hellboy and the David Harbor Hellboy for me. Ron Perlman Hellboy is an adaptation of Hellboy. To me, the David Harbor one actually was flawed because it tried to translate. It tried to be a literal.

Like, if you look at the Hellboy movie, it feels like you're just like filming a comic and making it 3D. But to me, that's the difference, right? You got to adapt to the medium, which is why I like this because this was the most Disney Plus thing possible. Yeah, overall, I think that the whole thing

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because this is the last time we're going to be talking about this show, at least for a while. And I guess that's kind of the transition I'm going to bring up to you guys. Where do we go with She-Hulk? Because what I did see is as I put my review up, and I saw somebody incorrectly say, because I said this in my reaction,

I said the show did well in the ratings. It was consistently, and someone was like, Oh, no, no, no, you're wrong. This show did not do well in the ratings. The show did very well in the ratings. It did exceptionally well. Partially for the people that loved it. Yeah.

And a lot from the haters because they love to hate watch. 100%. Because people are talking about it. Constantly. So it's not. So that person was absolutely 100% incorrect. But it doesn't, but what I will say is it is not universally beloved. It's, um, I, if most, most people, even the people who have talked about

positively have it very low ranked in their overall score on MCU shows. So does this show get a season two or do they just continue with Jennifer Walshics? Tatiana Mizlani is a superstar. She's just, you can't take your eyes over. She's an amazing, she's amazing. That sequence of her with Kevin, I was like, this is some of the best. Like, this is genius. Even though I didn't like the direction, it was her the whole entire time.

I'm just focused on her going, her delivery on this and all of it. Say what you want about phase four, some of the best. performances. Oscar Isaac has mooned. Absolutely. We're in a good place as far as going forward. But where do we go with her? I think she becomes a key part of an Avengers team. I don't know if that's the Young Avengers as a

mentor, if that's going to be in the Captain America 4, because if they're bringing in Tim Blake Nelson, maybe that was what they're alluding to. Like, aren't we going to introduce? And then always save it for the movie. Maybe it's not a Hulk movie. Maybe it's cap 4. There's a lot of places she could go. I would, if I had to venture a guess, there may be, there may be,

an element of trying to bring, it's not the A team. A force, is that it? Yeah, yeah. There's a possibility of that because where we're... Or Mr. T comes in. I mean, there's that too. You might potentially, legitimately get A force between,

I think, obviously, that Kay Bishop's going to be more young and Avengers, but you have that as an avenue. You have Captain Marvel, Miss Marvel. You got Spectrum. You know, I doubt we'll see Gwyneth again. but Cassie Lang is as stature. Absolutely. Do we get, do we get, um,

you might even get a defenders. That's another thing since you're starting by bringing daredevil back. There's also a possibility that you might do a defender's type situation. You don't I want after Earl by Night? I want the Midnight Suns in that world. Oh, that wouldn't be bad. You know what I mean? I'd love to see that grow.

Before we move on to the next scene, do you think that we ever get a scene with both She-Hulk and Deadpool breaking the four? Absolutely. I think at this point that's like almost inevitable. because those are the two that can. And what I want to do is have a scene where Deadpool is aware that he's from a different universe, and so is Shehulk, so they have a conversation about, like, Fox Rights. Because she already said the X-Men thing.

They could do it right there. Literally, Deadpool can swear because he's the only one that's from a Fox universe, and then he gets bleeped in Marvel, and he gets bleeped in our universe, and then Sheelk references. That's what I do. I think that that's what it is, as I hear you say that, because I think that same thing in Deadpool, I think it's hilarious when he mentions the actors, like Hugh Jackman and everything, too.

But it takes me out of it for that split. second. Oh, I love it. But, but it goes to your point earlier, though. Yeah. They get back into it. Right. They get back into the mission.

There is Deadpool Cuscoes. Yeah. Deadpool stops the movie and brings you and then it gets back to the movie. Then he gets back into it. Both movies conclude and let you see the conclusion happen. So that's why I like it. And that's why the genius of Ryan Reynolds marketing is it's like he's Deadpool day to day.

Like, you know, like I know a lot of people like he plays the same character. Yeah, but in his marketing, he knows how to be in and out of narrative. Yeah. And that's so hard to do. It's very hard to do. And what has been hard to do is stay on the same page with the three of us for this show. But I think the conversation, no, it's a great thing. And I think the conversation has been good all the way through.

And I had, oh, I wanted to tell you guys this because this was something that happened over the last couple of days. And I'm glad that I remember it. So I was on Patreon. I do like these, the Q&A once a month. So a guy came in, one of the patrons at the $10 level, you can actually join the stream. him. Cool. So a guy came in and he was talking, we talked for a bit. And then he said, you know, I was one of these people when I would watch Shehulk and I would say that, that it's anti-man and it's this and it's that and people who like it and I would go after people, everything to. And he goes, and then I heard you guys talking about it on your show. And I said, what am I getting all worked up? Why is it why? It's not worth it. He's like, so I just let people have their own opinion. And he's like, and you guys made me do that. And I was like, I thanked him for that. It's the greatest gift. That's amazing. Well, because it was just a matter. and it wasn't that it was it was just a conversation it wasn't and it wasn't the fact like see what we did it wasn't that it was the fact that this kid just he just listened and he said yeah you're right and that's why the social media conversation is not every week but are important to have at that time that was it so i just wanted to get yeah shout out to that i want to let you guys know um now before because we leave louis coy a little early today so we wanted to talk to because we're very excited by the way um to let you guys know that over the last few days i was contacted and excited to announce that we're going to be doing a new

segment on this show. This show segment is called boom. And the segment this brought to you by Boom comics. And so boom, by the way, if you didn't know boom, they're going to be doing berserker. And boom is, boom is fantastic or you work with them many times over. I do. I love these guys. So we have a we have a few things to talk about. And basically what we're going to do is it's not always going to be boom comics. And we'll certainly be talking about boom comics. But we just started this today. So we'll have a couple of titles that Coy will be reading and he'll let us know and he'll send me a few images and we'll talk about stuff. But today we're going to be talking about the boom comics. Let me get this man reading comics. Tell me about this one, Coy. This is something

is killing the children. This is a new one. And this one just just hit the, just hit the stand. So this is volume five of one of my top 10 comics on the shelves, hard stop. I read about 50 to 70 comics a week, which puts me at about 200 to 250 comics a month. This is in my top 10. This is a, a, a peak comic books. This is a comic I've actually been recommending to people since I was actually doing comic book, having a collider in how long that's been. So this is a comic I actually recommended Damon Lindelof, and that was a great challenge because Damon Lindelof is one of the most intelligent, well-spoken,

curated nerds in the game, and it was really cool to show him something he hadn't seen and have him love it. So that's like the feather in the cap for this book, is that that guy's a Wednesday warrior. He goes every week and I was like, no, no, no, you don't know this beauty. Now this comic is basically imagine a world where only children can see monsters, a lot like when you have imagination, right? Like when kids imagine the monster under the bend, they can have the freedom to see that.

So in this world, only children can see these things attacking them, but other things are shredded and ripped apart before their children's eyes, and the adults can't see them getting eviscerated. So this group of assassins, this league has been tasked to train to see these creatures and take them out, and that usually means their parents were killed by these monsters.

So these kids grew up basically orphaned in this assassin school growing up to take out these creatures. There's this awesome political, almost League of Shadows-esque thing, but instead the League of Shadows are, some of them are good, some of them are bad. And there's different sects. There's like different mass colors represent what group you're in. So our lead is in a group of hunters. So she goes out and actually attacks them. There's also some people that track them. There's also some people that.

So it's this giant tapestry of this assassin league, this protecting kids that grew up having their parents killed by these. So I didn't get a chance to fully dive in. And I, you know me, I don't love coming in in the middle of something. Sure, sure. I want to go back. But what all of this is sounding like to me, one of my top animas of all time is soul eater. And so that's literally about essentially like demon hunters, ghost hunters that are going out

and like you have human weapons and stuff like that. But you're going out and like destroying these demons, these witches and trying to collect these evil souls and stuff like that. But only certain people can see. and can operate from that place because it's like a different plane. And like you can trap the evil in like something that means a lot to you. So a lot of times the kids can trap it and like a stuffed animal, then they have to like take out the demon once they've trained.

But a lot of kids die in the training. So it's a brutal book of like death and mayhem and murder. So it's like a metal as hell Harry Potter. Like Dumbledore is training you to take out this stuff. Well again, it's and so something is killing the children's is volume five and it is out now. And is the newest collection and something is killing the children's saga. it's a horror series and it's one of Boom Studios biggest hits and it's going to be a TV series on Netflix Zoom which is awesome also. It has a Netflix horror flavor and also I just had a

spin-off book that's only on issue eight called House of Slaughter and we were talking about the different houses like the different trackers and stuff. House of Slaughter is a specific one. So the book's done so well not only has it gotten to this point in its run it spawned spinoffs and there's different things. I actually have one of the bandanas with the teeth on it because I love this book so much. I love this book and I read a lot so to put it in the top. 10 is saying a lot because that's of all comics on the shelves, period. I might have to come raid your bookshelf, man. It's an exhausting place.

You're welcome to it at any time, man. Well, that was one of the things when Boom Studios said, hey, you know, they like capes and cows on what we're doing. And I said, well, we also know that coy, obviously, with berserker. And it makes sense because they're so up and coming in what they're doing right now. They're crushing, crushing. But before you go into it, also a couple other things, I know I'm going to lose you in a second.

I also want to talk to you because they have a few different things. They have once upon a time at the end of the world, which is it's on sale on 1123, 22. And so we all got a chance to get an early look at the first series of Once Upon a Time at the end of the world, which is an upcoming post-apocalyptic epic from New York Times best-selling writer Jason Aaron, which who did Thor, who did The Avengers. He's a genius.

Right. And it's a unique saga and it'll be told in three parts or books with a different artist on each book. And book one begins next month with the Eisner winning artist, Alexander Tefeckney, who did The Good Age. and it's, and I guess Yeah, yeah, go ahead. Okay, so when they told me about this book,

they were like, and you love saga. And I was like, I do love saga. They're like, well, I think you like this book. And so for weeks, I've literally been like, okay, okay, is it time? And it is, the highest praise I can give a book is it's like saga. It's a lot like saga in all the best ways. That is a book that I have been yelling about for nearly a decade. It's got that thing where I'm just as compelled to yell from rooftops.

And Jason Aaron has been, a lot of phase four is, based off Jason Aaron's greatness. And I think that with James Tynan who did something as killing the children and Jason Aaron, they've got these two incredible figureheads of comics and they're both getting things adapted. Boom, what I was going to say before we got into that little is

boom is probably the fastest I've ever seen a comic book company grow. Because it's a company in like six years that I've seen go from like, that's a cool studio. I like what they're doing to we're the first comic book to be on Hall H. That's an insane arc. The fact that there's never been a comic book on that stage, myself removed from it, I was honored to be the first host,

but if I wasn't on that stage, I would have been in that room. So it's incredible to see a studio just blow up like this, and their stuff is so consistent. This is some of the other stuff, like just so. That was the thing that I noticed that, you know, you were talking about there would be every book, a book obviously being the volumes they're doing with different artists. The artistry on this first book is beautiful.

It's awesome. And I love that one. That's my favorite show. I really, really enjoyed my read of this, and I can't wait to see where they're going from it. And space opera sci-fi is such a hard thing to get right. Because you're so removed, right? Like, it's so not your world.

So it's kind of like what you experience with She-Luk or something. When you're like, but when you do it right, it's the most. And that's why I say the saga comparison, because it's a space opera of huge scope, but you feel for everyone. Which is why this is up my alley. Because when it hits, it hits. Yeah, so when he told me about this and we had a chance to look at it, They also have specs, number one, which is on sale 11, 23, 22,

which is a new horror series from writer David M. Boer, who did Firefly and Canto, and it's about a group of misfit teens in a small town who mail order a pair of joke x-ray glasses and discover that they come with dangerous power. And it's the artist on House of Slaughter, which I just mentioned. They got a lot of good in house house house house. It's got like a stranger things feel to it. Stephen King also. And fans can pre-order their first issue at their local comic book store.

They also have the approach, number one, that's out right now, once in future number 30 now's a perfect time to catch up up with all this stuff man so again just so happy to talk comics and we will and he absolutely will and so that was our boom segment again sponsored by Boom Studios

so we're excited to be working with them and once once it was a no brainer like when we started talking to them they're perfect for it and we get all these cool new things to read and tell the audience about and to be honest like I love I love how engaged the audience is with this community Like our capes and cows audience is incredible.

If there's any part of you that's like, oh, Boom is sponsoring this segment. This is why they're talking about these comics. Check my receipts. I've been talking about all these books for a very long time. 100%. I can vouch that. Oh, no. I just wanted to say like.

I'm glad you did. But honestly, no, that when I started talking to Boom afterwards, it was because of our conversations. And I know. That's the chicken and the egg. The chicken was the books were good. Absolutely. And it was the fact that when they told me, hey, we were watching capes and cows.

Well, we talk about you guys all the time. So, and now, but you said, you said, you said, said they're growing all the time and the fact that we get a look at it because what I want to do is I can't wait for even the show that's when we turn the comments we turn into a Netflix series. I want to get the new look and the new ones that are coming out and once they blow up, we're like, hey, we talked about it. We were here first. And that was cool about berserker is I got that because I was yelling about berserker.

Like, you know, Kiama Reeves doesn't hear your name. Oh, dude, that was so hard not to. Can you imagine being at that stage into my brain being like, don't say it. Don't say it. I'm sure it's not the first time they heard it. But all right, so you got to go, which sucks because there's so much that I, wanted to talk to you about with this Marvel stuff that was going to do another five minutes I got yeah yeah all right so let's wait to the other thing I was late to this I was gonna say are we gonna

talk about Zoloff at all because he's doing other stupid things too huh oh dude yeah we'll talk we'll talk let's talk about him last because I don't want to give him anymore right now um but I do let's let's let's get to I'm gonna go to where's the new and thank you once again to um to boomsters we're excited uh we're excited to y'all should y'all should real talk y'all should talk to uh the ying gang twins and see if you can get that boom it's home we here to rock your don't talk about boom what's happening also just love to boom for caring about their comics so much that's why we can like sing the praises because they're so consistent that's right uh carbon health not part of this it's true it's true that's the news at all um okay so let's get to let's get to some news here

going to a comic book movie and by the way thank you to nauzette who did the um who did The new, our new layout. Cool. I like that. Yeah, I like it. All right, let's move. Let's see. First thing I want to get to, I'm sure they're going to have it here somewhere.

Got to get, sure, it's all the way down here, but this Marvel stuff, man, because that was, that was the big news. The shifts? Yeah, like all the, it just, the, it's probably a couple days ago. Yeah. So, I mean, we can talk about it while while we're scrolling. I think the best thing about it is we've been hearing about all the visual effects stuff needing more time. This automatically is there are. in production. So this just buys them time.

You set it up so early. But Blade. That's my, well, they built some sets. But that's what started. I'm just going to bring it. That's what started it. I know, I know, so just while Christian's bringing this up, so the big thing if you didn't, no pun intended, if you didn't see the news, they pushed everything back because they're still looking for their Blade director.

So because of that, all of the release dates moved back a little bit, including what We were supposed to have the two Avengers movies in one year, and now you've got their split across, what, 25 and 26? Which I'm cool with as well. Yeah, that's fine. Like, I thought that was an ambitious year, and I was, like, excited about it, but I also would, I would always have her movie be released correctly than released soon.

I agree. And I feel like the internet is the other way a lot of the time, but I would much rather, you know, have the visual effects done. I would, hopefully we all live long enough to see all this stuff. So, like, just take your time. What are you trying to move, Christian? There you go. Um, so anyway, they, when they moved the blade, I think it, it screwed everything up.

Um, so. Which intrigues me about the end of blade. Like, I'm wondering how tied in, I'm assuming Blade's an Avenger. Uh, and therefore, we need the Blade movie to do certain things that set up other things. Otherwise, moving Blade wouldn't have caused a cascading down. That's exactly right. So what, so I think it does go back to what we were saying about, um, you know, the directors are being getting the movies.

Sam Ramey, Chloe's out. Tycho Atidi have been getting their movies and then Marvel has come second. It's been the director first and Marvin. That never used to be the case. I think Fikey said, we can't do that anymore.

Face five, it is going back to the old way. I do. I think it was going back that way and I think that's why he brought in dude from WandaVision to do Fantastic for it. I think that to me makes a lot of sense. It's an in-house director.

It's more like the old studio system. And I think that I do think it might have happened because apparently Mahershal Ali is also not thrilled right now with things that have been going on. director being gone. Behind the scenes. Also, I hear the script was like seven pages.

I heard he wasn't happy with the script. But either way. So the speculation let it go wherever you want it to go. Yeah, we don't know. I haven't called Marcia. At all. But what I would think is that. You don't know him?

That was the joke. But maybe, but maybe though, you know, that director was like, no, I wanted to do what I wanted to do. And I don't want to go down that direction. And the same reason that, you know, when Derrickson left. Nobody talks about how Derekson left. Same Raymond was.

the first choice. Derrickson left the project. And it was like pretty deep into like we'd heard things about it. It wasn't like you just signed on and left. Like we heard some stuff. So that's possible. So then when, and then they're like,

well, there's no way once the director left that they were going to make that release date. Right. And then now, now after not liking the script, they moved it. So I think that it was all in play of where they were going to go with it.

So they had to start shifting things because the, the main thing that, I mean, it is moved Deadpool by like a couple of months. Yeah, that's not a big deal. It's the Avengers one that was the big shift. That one was,

because they were supposed to release both of them in the same year. And then, you know, then they shifted to 2026, which means they're going to have big box office in both 2025 and 2026. It's very stupid of me, but I was so bummed to see Fantastic Four not come out in 2024. I don't know why. Was it supposed to come out of the end of 2024? And now it's beginning of 2025.

Just because of the four. I just, yeah, I know it's, but how good is that marketing? It's right there. The stars had a line to give us a 24, but let me ask you know, but is that, but does that also does it have to do with all that? Because that's the thing, though, when you're, because you are, Marvel has been making a big television show for the movies. Yeah, when you've got a show and one episode doesn't work out, you got, it's a domino effect. And I think that's for the best.

Again, I'd rather have it shift deeper than anything get rushed. And the fact that we were getting, you know, a Deadpool movie as soon as we were and we just got the announcement, I was a little surprised by. Right. Because, I mean, it's the end of 2022. We've got two months left. So when things get announced for 2024, I'm like, ooh, 18 months. Well, they said they were shooting it already, though. Remember what he said in that announcement?

He said they were already shooting it. But yeah, because the joke was like, we don't know what we're doing. Oh, by the way, we got Hugh Jackman. But in reality, you've got to film it, you've got to test it, you've got a CGI done. I would much rather those artists, like, when we talked about She Hulk, half the episode, she looks great. Half, they're like, what's happening? I would much rather not have those half.

If that means another six months, I think that's for the best, especially with something like Avengers. I think a lot of these shifts are because it was very public that visual effects artists were like, hey, we're overwork, underpaid. You're kicking a hell out of us. I think now's the time to go, hey, we respect you, we listened. I think it's a good move. Here's some six months. you have to move it. I think they made the right choice by moving it. It's just, the script isn't good. If Merrish-A-Lahli is like, hey, I'm Blaine, also, he knows what the stakes are. Blade is the reason the

MCU exists. You think he's going to drop out? No. I think this is why he's not dropping out. I think those is him being like, hey, I'm out unless we fix this. Okay, I'll stick. It's also when you consider how upset Wesley was that didn't call him it, now, Wesley was too old to do it for being honest. I love Wesley's types, but that would not have been the right choice. I mean, you have to make it, you could have done it, but you'd have to make it a very different story. And the physicality of the blade movies is why they're great. I agree. Not the only reason, but like Wesley being able to do that stuff is why he's Blake.

And I would make the argument he probably still could. I would not be surprised if he could pull it off for a movie. You could do an older blade. Like older like, you know, Batman, but it would be like a one-off. You couldn't do that. That's my problem. You could be the, as long as it takes two film movies, you could get him potentially for one.

And if you immediately shot his scenes for the next, you could do that, but then you have to be done with the character. That's true. It's like how many times you're going to use him. If you're going to use him the way you want to use him, it's like you only have so much that you can get at it. I agree, but I think you could have done like a one or two off. If you're going to do that,

then I almost feel like you should have made him a book. Whistler? Thank you. I thought of that too. I think that would have been a good way to give him that nod and homage there. But to that point. Who is Whistler? Like his mentor.

No, no, no, no. I know who he is. Who's Whistler and who got cast? I don't remember. I don't remember either. Chris Christofferson. Yeah, who was incredible. Great.

Yeah. I don't remember. But all that being said, knowing that Wesley was already upset about this and what he did for the superhero genre and why and all that, there is a level of expectation amongst comic fans, black folk, everything that Mahershala and whatever's coming with this re-envisioning can live up to that.

Right. So you really can't mess this one up because I would argue, even though it doesn't necessarily seem like it, that this is on the same level of like, what you're going to do with, Fantastic Four with X-Men. Because real comic fans are aware that Blade predates Spider-Den and X-Men.

When you talk to people that are in this game to the level, we are, Blade is the movie that did it. So I think it's really important that you honor that with a movie that's quality. And then you don't cast Mahershala Ali for a one-off. He's got a a 10-year contract or whatever, probably. Which is why it's got to be good. And it absolutely is the reason why they pushed it. I think that they should.

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but you help the show. And people keep telling me, I get a message one or two every day saying that how they got it, and then I get another message saying how they tried it and they loved it. So please let me know. It's the reason why they made their way, they're one of the few people that made their way on the actual shelf. They're on the actual shelf. If you look in the back, they look, look at it. Corey's not there, but Athletic Greens is.

How about that? I like comic books. See? Athletic Greens loves comic books. All right, tell me about this Oloff stuff. What's going on? Okay. I don't even know.

Wow. I just get bored with it now. I get it. Well, there was a massive cut of essentially everything. They dumped Studio 13, which was like their kind of development studio that they were using to do short films and short form content. A lot of that, people of color involved in that. They axed the Warner Brothers writer and director programs. Same thing.

people that are either underrepresented or don't really have an avenue into, that they're talented, but they don't have a way into the industry. That, I want to say it's like, they said it was like 25 years old, something like that. That's gone. They're slicing everything. They sliced everything. They sliced up Cartoon Network Studios. They fired a ton of people and then absorbed the rest into, I guess, warn animation or whatever, whatever the thing.

They're bleeding. And I get that. Bleeding. The problem where this looks really bad now. it was one thing when you're like, we cut bad girl, Latina superhero, it's another when every cut

looks like something of color or something underrepresented and now it's like, what are you doing? Right, right. Like, it's not, it's not, yeah, it's, that's, that's true. It's like, it's,

they are, they, it's, again, it goes back to the same thing. It's like there are a way, bedside manner in a way, right? Absolutely. It's like, when you're looking at your cuts, you're making a lot of different cuts.

announce your cuts maybe a little differently. Announce them and how you're going to do it very differently. Or even if you're not ready to move in another direction and tell people what it is, you need to give them some sort of reassurance. And just having Blue Beetle, which I'm sure is going to be amazing based off of the testing and the conversation you just had with Sholo.

Like, I'm sure it's going to be phenomenal. But I think what just gets so dangerous with this is that old adage, once is an instance, twice as a coincidence, three times as a pattern and the pattern continues to be, you are cutting a very specific element of the company. And it just, it is really,

really rubbing me the wrong way. I don't blame you. Yeah, I understand. I completely understand. And I think that that's, uh, yeah,

he's not doing it. It's, it's crazy because here's the thing. And this kind of transitions, transitions us into the next thing where he's going to, he's got Black Adam coming out now. Right. Now, Black Adam.

is going to, now Black Adam does have a lot of representation in that in that film. And now that's a seven bucks and Dwayne Johnson really led project, right? It's been something that Dwayne Johnson has been on for a very long time, eight to ten years, whatever it might be. But it's a massive, massive movie right now. And Dwayne Johnson is easily one of the best marketing geniuses. Say what you want about Vin Diesel. Vin Diesel is a marketing genius.

Ryan Reynolds is. And so is Dwayne Johnson. And Dwayne Johnson has proven that over the last couple of weeks. So, and correct me if I'm wrong with it. I think that when Black Adam came out, the trailer, people were talking about it, interested in it for sure. But the buzz on it wasn't like, oh, man, this is going to be a banger. But part of the reason why is, and I know we've been able to do it with Guardians

and other properties that maybe we're not as familiar with. Like Adam is definitely one of those ones that diehard comic fans know who the character is. A lot of people don't. Sure, sure, but you've got The Rock. And the Rock is arguably, but let me just get through this one particular point. So, but like the Rock is arguably still one of the last, like, movie stars. Yes. Why people go to the movies to see a movie star.

The Rock is, you can make the argument that he's one of those guys. I agree. So my question is, The buzz behind it was not, it was like, okay, he's got an action movie. It could be good. It could be a superhero movie, great. But what he started to do over the last two weeks. Because all this buzz, we were talking about a month ago, right before Comic Con, is, is Henry

Cabell coming back as Superman? Is Superman coming back? Is Superman coming back? And it's like, well, you know, and people playing coy about it. And I don't know. I'm not sure. I don't know. And then over the last two weeks, he's pretty much just saying, yeah.

Yeah, because he's been saying, the thing he said on multiple talk shows is watch out for a, super post credit, like has been the thing he keeps saying. And they asked them, and many times over, people have asked him and said, okay, so then is there going to be a Black Adam versus Superman movie? Yeah, man, that's what we want to do. Okay. So, and then he said, well, he's the most powerful guy on the planet, but there's someone more powerful.

Okay, so every interview, and it's not like, and it's one of these things where, and it also shows you the shots that Dwayne Johnson is calling, because any other star that is spoiling stuff like that or not spoiling, but because he didn't necessarily spoil, but pretty much confirming it, right? Any other star, it's like, hey, what are you doing? He goes, we're going to get a lot of asses into the seats because of this. And he's 100% right.

Because if you look at it, I can't tell you how many people, I know you look at the comments of these videos as well. A lot of people were like, until he started talking about Henry Cavill, potentially coming back, that we could get Henry Cavill back. I wasn't going to see this movie. I was going to wait. I'm going to see it opening night now. Right.

Well, and that's, and that's, I think that that is, because I know you and Koi did screeners already for the film. It makes me wonder only in the sense that if you're doing that, I know part of it is a lot of people didn't know this character. So even though, sure, Rock's got another film out. Like I have a bunch of homies, and you've done this before with your friends where you've been like, do you know about Ezra Miller? Right.

They have no idea. I have a bunch of homies go like, What the hell is a black Adam? But they knew the Rock in the movie, though, right? They literally were just like, I see it's the rock playing a superhero or a villain. What is he doing? What the hell is a black Adam? They call him Black Adam because he's black?

And I'm like, no, no, no, no. It's, and they go, I don't know if I need to see all that. So I wonder if part of this marketing plan was, let's make sure. Absolutely. You know, there's no, I wonder. It's 100% why, because of your friends who are. Because my point, they proved of like they're aware of the movie, right? Because it's the rock.

But they didn't necessarily want to see because I don't know who the hell it is. They didn't care. And they didn't care. It doesn't matter how big of a movie story is. Okay, great. I don't know. He's playing a superhero. Yeah, but if you told you're, yeah, but Superman's supposed to be in it.

It's supposed to kick off a Superman thing. And you're going, oh, that's a kind of interesting. And that's the whole thing is that there's, because the way I essentially had to explain it. I was like, do you know, Shazam was like, you know, I didn't watch that. And I was like, okay, okay. dude's got essentially a magical version of Superman's powers and he sometimes is a good guy and sometimes he just starts murking people

so it just depends on what the scenario is that's gonna he's like okay that's sort of interesting I still don't care and then I got you're right I got a text yesterday of someone that happened to have just watched one of those interviews and they go is he gonna fight Superman in this and I'm like well that's the rumor and if he's straight up saying in interviews he's like I mean I might see that

well he's been rumoring he's been rooming that Superman's going to make an appearance. And eventually it will lead to a battle. And they made it very clear they want to focus on the origins of black Adam and all that. But anyway, it goes back to this Olaf thing before. He's got this movie. I think now,

I think this movie's going to be a bigger hit than it was originally going to be. Okay. I think it's going to be a bigger hit. I think it's going to have a good opening weekend. And I think that's, it's not even a chip in what Warner Brothers needs to do in order to get themselves back on, on track. But if, and I said it is Olav starts getting hits and starts putting stuff into place.

As much as rightfully so, some of the things are bothering you about the things that he's doing at the moment. Unfortunately, they'll start to be forgotten about if things start to be made as hits. That's just how it goes. Which is fine, because the last part of the rumor that I forgot, or not the rumor, but it was reported, they're even looking at potentially axing a large part of DC Comics. So it's a situation where you'll keep the IP and you'll keep seeing movies. But now you're talking about potentially some of the books being just like straight up done. And that in and of itself is insane.

So it's, it's, I hear you. I think if he starts putting out billion dollar movies, then a lot will be forgotten. It's just how it goes. It's just how it goes. Especially if he, if he saves Warner Brothers and gets them from being, you know, in the, in the, in the, the shits. Or that's my one. But if he gets, for being in there, he's going to be looked upon. Oh, look, his moves were right.

However, if he still makes all of these moves and the movies start bombing, they're going to come up even more so. It is, you are backing yourself into a corner that you better know for damn sure you got a haymaker, because if you don't, you were going to get knocked the F out. Like, honestly. Yeah, like out of his position. Not just out of the position, you are also potentially going to completely tank the company, too, because you are making it.

You are, you might have to. That's how we finally get Justice League versus Avengers. You might have to, but you are. The riots. The riots. I know. But, but I,

you are playing a very dangerous game. Yeah. Because you are not earning a single ounce of goodwill right now. So you have better come with that, that like combo that's going to bring you out of this because otherwise you may have just blown this up. All right, everybody. So look,

we have a lot to talk about here today. She Hulk. Marvel moving stuff. Black Adams coming out. Warner Bros. got to get their S together. Boom Studios sponsoring the show and have some great comics.

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