The Kristian Harloff Show - Should There Be a Darth Vader Spinoff Series for Disney Plus? | The Sith Council

Episode Date: June 29, 2022

Today we discuss a lot, Vader series? Could it work? Kenobi over all thoughts, season 2? What Clone Wars character would you want to have their own show? Kristian Harloff and Steph Sabraw discuss this and more on the show. Follow the Council on Twitter! Kristian Harloff https://twitter.com/KristianHarloff Steph Sabraw https://twitter.com/stephsabraw Mike Kalinowski https://twitter.com/MikeKalinowski Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I always forget my days. Today is Wednesday. And we are going to be doing, Obi-Wan is wrapped as we wait for Andor, which is coming around the corner in August. Now we get back to the questions from you guys. And that has leading up to Obi-Wy-Wan. That's what we were doing.

You guys are firing out some great topics. And there's other stuff on that we can find, whether it's on Star Wars Newsnet or other places, And we have the, you know, the Calcestis story we talked about and there's other things. And Steph Sabra is joining me here today. And we'll talk about some other things. The Taika Watiti, same story. Everyone's asking him because he's doing Thor, Love and Thunder right now.

So it's like, what's your movie about? He makes a joke about what it's really not about. And then, hey, he's actually going to make it on 2023. Yeah, that's what they're hoping for. Right. Between that and other stuff, we have a lot. And one of the main questions, as you guys have clicked on, We're going to debate, or I don't know if we're going to debate.

We might have just have a full conversation. Steph might be an agreement. I think Vader needs a spin-off series. I think he needs a six-point miniseries, and I think it needs to be directed by Scott Derrickson. That's my take on it, but I don't know where Steph stands on it. We'll talk about it, and there's so many other things we'll talk about. And if you guys haven't already done it,

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All right, it's myself. It is Steph Sobron. It is the Sith Council. Let's do it. All right, everybody, welcome back to Sith Council. Excited, man, which is the countdown to Andor now is right around the corner. And joining me, the one and the only. Oh, that's not our.

there she is. It's Mike. Yeah, it's Mike. No, I actually put on Winston's camera, which he's not, he's not on this show. But there's Steph's a bra. Steph, um, how are you? Good. I haven't learned how to force ghost into the studio yet, but I'm working on it. No, but we've done a new thing now where I don't have to do the, the stream yards. And I can just get you right into the show just like this. And now we can even do a double shot, just like that. Look, it's myself and Steph. We are in studio without being in studio. How about that? It's wonderful stuff.

So how are you doing post-O-B-1? Good. I got to re-watch it with my mom and brother. They've been watching it and they hadn't seen the finale yet. So I got to watch their reactions. And it was really cute. I really, really liked watching them. Yeah.

Because they're not as, you know, they haven't seen rebels. They haven't seen clone. They're not like as interconnected to the whole. Yeah. So they're just happy to get anything. Well, I talked about that actually with, a few people. I don't know the big thing episode though, where it's

everybody inside of the movie space bubble if you're a massive fan, if you're a Star Wars fan, you look at these shows and the sphere in such a, in such different lenses than like you said, like your mom or your family would because they're just looking for a fun show to watch and then shut off and then not think about it ever again. They're not going to analyze it.

They're not going to tell you whether or not they think that why Riva was in the show and why she wasn't in the show and why Obi-Wan should have been doing this or not doing that. They're just watching it to have a good time. And that's why the show ultimately succeeded and did it very well. For people, this is a misconception that a lot of fans have when they're like, wow, I mean, everything I'm seeing, people don't like this show. You are in the minority of we, the people who love it, the Star Wars massives who love it in the minority.

The Star Wars fans who hate it in the minority. It's the massive. It's the casual fan who has Disney Plus that turns it on and goes, oh, Star Wars show. I'll watch that. Yeah. And I watched Doctor Strange with them, too, the multiverse. So, and I noticed like two key differences between what I thought Obi-One did better, obviously, to show than a movie.

It made it for the lay person, like my mom and my brother, they got everything. There was some stuff, like the rest stuff. They don't know, like the full background. of the Inquisitors. It didn't matter. Dr. Strange, my mom fell asleep because she, like, didn't, she couldn't keep up with all the little thing. Too much.

They're asking you to be, you have to be a part of the MCU for a long time. I don't agree with Kevin Feige where he says, you don't have to watch Wanda vision or, or the TV show to get it. You have to watch Wanda vision to really be invested in that. I had to pause it and give her like a 20 minute breakdown of Wanda vision because she was like, what? She was just an Avenger. Like, I'm so confused.

It's, it's true. And, and this, this. This doesn't ask you to do that. It's pretty, even if you don't know who the Inquisitors or you've never heard of the Grand Inquisitor or any of that, it does, it is, it does play for the casual fan. And in that, in that aspect, whatever, I mean, clearly, if you watched our show last week, I had a lot of issues with the show. I actually, there's a lot of stuff that I loved about the show. But, but like I said, the stuff that I have major issues with, your mom's not going to have that issue with. The casual fan is not going to have a lot of the issues that I have a problem with.

And that's ultimately, whether we like it or not, why a lot of these decisions are made. Because they're being made for, well, will casual fans be able to keep up? Will casual fans? I don't necessarily always agree with that strategy. But it's a strategy that is clearly working for them and why they continue to do it. This week, unarmed by progressive insurance. Hey, Chief, we got a difference. Well, that sounds like a job for the new head of RV surgery.

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See if you could save with a leader in RV insurance. Progressive Cancer to Insurance Company and affiliates covered subject to policy terms. Yeah, I hope that they catch a happy medium. I think that there's some shows and some things that can be really like nitty-gritty for the fans. I feel like Mandalorian probably did the best job of because it's a new character to do like bridging that gap, but I think they're catching their footing, where I hope they are a little bit more with that. We'll see. I mean, there's, it's definitely, this one had a lot of debate behind it. There's no doubt about that. Um, and there's a lot. I mean, look, we, we got a lot of

questions that were coming in in general for this, um, for this episode and a lot of questions were stemmed around, oh, we want. It was hard to sift through because there was so many that came in because I posted it on Twitter. I posted it on Facebook and I posted on the YouTube community page and so many great questions came in, it was hard to go through all of them. And there were a lot about Obi-Wan, a lot. And from both sides, from people who really enjoyed it and people who were disappointed by it. So I will say before we jump into the...

You know what? I can bring up... That's great. Look at it. It's going to actually see me bring up Star Wars Newsnet. I'm going to bring in Star Wars Newsnet right now. And as I go through, let's say if there's anything in general that we should... Obi-Wan Kenobi.

is going to be behind the scenes. Obi-1 can be behind-the-scenes video shows training for Reva versus Vader confrontation. Now we're going to see a lot of that stuff on gallery. Star Wars actor explained. There's a lot of Obie-Won stuff. Everybody's talking Obi-Wan stuff. We're still in the Obi-Wan cycle,

even though Obi-1 has concluded. We're still in the talk. You know, there's really nothing. What were you telling me you heard about the Tycoon one, Steph? Oh, breaking news, Christian. Tycho ATD doesn't know what the script's going to be. But he's working on it. Working on it.

And there's no chance that thing comes out in 2020. The same article every time, not from Star Wars Newsnet, from every other. Because everybody asks him. Everybody asks him and he's got the same answer. Every time he does it, and he's going to be, and he's got more of these Thor interviews he's got to do. And they're going to ask him a thousand times over, the same thing over and over again. What's going on with the Star Wars movie? He's going to have the same answer.

He's going to joke about how it's about George R. Binks. He's going to make jokes about it and he's going to have no real answer for it whatsoever. And I don't know. I can't imagine in what world unless that movie is already shot and in the can that it comes out in 2020. How in the world does that movie come out in 20203? There's no way unless the whole thing is like a lie and they've known about what to me, what it is for like a year now.

before they were shooting Thor Love and Thunder. Or they were shooting stuff while they were shooting Love and Thunder. Yeah, which I guess is possible. No way. From what I've seen about the Thor Love and Thunder production, I've heard they've landed really well. I'm going to see it this week. And I heard it's heard that like even just a month prior,

it was kind of sketched like just because he has so much going on. Yeah. Yeah, no, I heard the same. I heard the same. So all right, we have questions. We have a lot of questions. we've got to get to all those questions. So let's start.

Let's start with the first question on the table. And that one comes from Paul Reaper. Do you feel the TV series need to have longer episodes going forward? I feel they made a massive mistake with Obi-1 making 30-minute episodes within a six-episode series. This is a huge complaint from a lot of people, including myself. I think that there are times that, if you tell the story in that 30 minutes, we're like, no, that's all they needed to tell it.

And it doesn't seem like anything was left on the table. Then I understand doing 30 minute episodes. I get it. But there felt like there was a lot of story and a lot of character and a lot of development that was left on the table because the episodes were show short. And there was those rumors that the last episode was going to be an hour and a half. And I remember saying to myself, well, that's the case, an hour and a half.

And they've been 30 minute episodes. It's like three episodes and one. you're almost getting like eight episodes total, and eight or nine total, so it'd be worth it. And that was only like 45 minutes or whatever was like an extra 15 minutes. I do think that there's a mistake of doing these episodes so short.

I don't think Andor is going to be half an hour. I think Andrew's going to be longer. I feel like it anyway, especially after watching stuff like, I'm watching the boys right now. I'm watching Stranger Things. And these are all an hour, hour and 10 minutes. And there's a lot.

And these aren't small budgets that these shows are working. with. So I don't understand the 30 minute idea unless they are approaching it like an animated series. What do you think? Yeah, it's kind of confusing to me because I feel like we know a lot of independent filmmakers and we understand budgets and it's like you make stories that are around your budget and what you can actually show. Surve's doesn't have a budget. So and you're telling like the most expansive stories in the galaxy or hoping to. So to me, it'd be like why you'd be like, not go all the way out like Game of Thrones style million dollar per episode screw it if you have it well that's that's tough though that's tough because the reason the reason the only reason

I'll push back on that a little bit is because there is a budget as much as as much as we as much as we as we as it's true that Disney does have insane and obnoxious amounts of money it's the same way that like any other business and similar like say like skybound right that people people have said to me, well, why can't you do live events? Doesn't Skybound have invincible and Skybound has Walking Dead? They have enough money to do live events. But that's how much those shows have. Those shows have a lot of money. Schmodeown is a property within Skybound that they say to each property, they go, okay, this is what you have to work for. For the year. That's your budget. And the same goes for Obi-One and those other shows that Lucasfilm has. They have their budgets and they stick with it. And

sometimes they'll go over budget, whatever it might be. The difference between movies and film is that with movies, it's like, okay, look, yeah, we might have gone over $10 million or $20 million, but we made that up in the first 12 hours of ticket sales. You can't do that with streaming. It's like, do we get subscribers? Did we have that? How do we know that subscribers came in directly from Obi-Wan? So it is tricky where you do have, you've got more money as exactly like you were saying.

you have more money than someone who's making a smaller film or smaller show or those types of things. There should be the same amount of budget put into these shows that a stranger things has or the boys have. And they're putting out movie type quality and longer episodes. Yeah. Yeah. No, I definitely see what you're saying. It is different with shows. But I didn't have necessarily some of the episodes I think could have been absolutely longer.

To me, it was just like with the story. story they told, I guess, in the characters that they chose to focus on, I, it's hard not to wish that we got more time, especially when it comes to what we've talked about all the time as like dialogue. Like, I just wish, like, that's not that expensive to shoot. I'm not asking for huge lightsaber battles here. I'm asking for a conversation. Right.

Right. Right. Yeah. You could add it. You could add a few more. I mean, even, even the, the quigon stuff, right? It's just like, hey, he's there. There he is.

There he is. Hey, come, come on. You got it. Yeah. come follow me now. We don't want to talk about anything that just went down with Anakin or anything. The guy that you told me to train. When we talk about any of that?

We're just going to, ah, I could have. I was here the whole time, you rascal. And it's like there's, there was, there's just nothing. That was a kind of like, hey, told you I wasn't going to show up. And it was great to see him. But there was, there was so much more. Like even when you turn back to like Return of the Jedi when Obi-Wan has that dialogue with Luke of what I told you was true from a certain point of view and what you

got to realize is when when when I first met him he was this this and there was so much in that conversation that takes what takes what two to four minutes whatever it is it's like imagine that right before he goes off to fight Vader quagon appears to him and says look we made I still believe that there's something with this guy that there's something in there and my gut tells me he's right he's like uh you gut might be wrong because he just murdered a bunch of people. He's like, I still feel it. Whatever the conversation is. He had like, there was none of that. There was no conversation. He was like, Quigal, that's your guy. Remember? That's your guy. Right.

Took me here to dot doing. But a lot of that stuff. I mean, there was just there was, I think that there and this isn't stuff that it was just stuff that could have been, like you said, you could have added three or four minutes more of dialogue to a couple more scenes. Like you look at the, an example of where they did do that and it worked tremendously, I thought, was in episode three when they get picked up by Freck and they're on that his truck or whatever and they're having that conversation Obi-Wan and Leia and Obi-1 reveals that he had a brother and he revealed that he was picked up at a young age

and he can't remember his brother and he remembers the thing that told a lot about the character and that was what? There was just a couple lines of dialogue. That was missing throughout the entire series. Are my dog's barking? Yeah, I agree with you. There were some moments of great conversation that I really liked, but that was the one thing that when we separated ourselves a week from the last episode, that's the one thing I keep thinking about the most thing that I wanted the most was that.

Everything else I'm okay with, but that like I just, I hate wishing that I got more conversation. Yeah, I mean, that's, and well, that just, that stems into that question of. should the episodes be longer? And that's why I think the answer is yes. I do think the answer is yes for that. Because as I said, if it was, if I felt like, no, you got what you needed in tight, and a tight 30, they really put it together and you got it and it ties in. Because there's some episodes, I think it was a Mandalorian that were like shorter 30,

35. But it tied into the overall arc when you watch it as a full movie. And I will say that when you watch Obi-Wan as a full like four and a half hour movie or whatever it is. It plays, I think it plays better for sure. I mean, that end fight scene is just phenomenal. It's, it's great, regardless of whether or not you think Vader or Obi-Wan should have, and someone at, I think you asked, you asked the question last week, and I didn't really answer, I answered it in a comment, how you would have ended the fight, right? If you didn't end it with Obi-1 just walking away. I think that a way you could have ended that fight was at that

point because the inquisitor, if the inquisitor is just waiting around up in the ship, first of all, why didn't he go chase after the rebels if Vader went off on his shuttle? It's part one. Part two is if he's just waiting there, why not sending a bunch of tie fighters and right as Obi-one's ready to strike Vader down, the tie fighters come in, blah, blah, blah, separate them, you know, with some kind of big ditch or something and he can't get to him and now he's got to take off. Yeah, that could have been cool.

Yeah, and Vader's just kind of left out there looking over. just like son of a bitch i was i was i could have had him and in reality you wouldn't have but and then and then it doesn't leave that question of like why didn't obiwan finish him and why did obiwan just let him is obiwan like there's a like there's a lot of of of of blood on obiwan's hands now like the the entire planet of alderan could still be around yeah wait i told my brother i you were like he's got to be the most irresponsible Jedi ever ever it's just like uh see you later dart it's so worth seeing it but it's so true.

Like Darth Vader's a full-on serial killer. It's like, yeah, so much. Anyway, buddy, either way. All right, let's get to the next question. That one was from Paul Reaper. The next question here comes from Lewis Scott. Now, if you could have one Clone Wars character that Disney made a series of, who would it be?

Again, I'm just going to start, I know this is just an innocent question, but I have to, have to correct people on this. I'm going to rewrite Louis Scott's question. If you could have one Clone Wars character that Lucasfilm made a series of, who would it be? Or if you could have a Colom Wars character that Lucas film made a series of that aired on Disney Plus, who would it pay? It's like that same thing where people, the same reason the reason why I'm saying that people shouldn't start saying, oh, Disney Star Wars sucks. Or is the same reason because you're not going to give, like, what's your favorite Marvel movie?

Steph? Probably, end game. Okay, so end game is mine as well. In no world have I ever heard anyone go, Disney did such a great job making end game. No one says that. No one says Disney did such a great job making Rogue One. No one says that. They give it to or Disney made such a great, did such a Disney, man, such a great job with Mandalorian.

Disney did a great job. Everyone says Flonie or Favre or everybody. And it's like you don't say, and as you should, they give the, like, there's the example I gave of the difference between when you can potentially start pointing fingers at like a studio. One perfect example is if you go back to Batman, Batman and Robin. Now Batman 1989 made by Tim Burton and the follow up lost money in the studio goes, no, no, no, we got to put our hands in it, get rid of Burton. Bring in Joel Schumacher. Joel, we want you to make this movie. You got to make it over, you got to oversell it for toys.

You got to make it campy. You got to make it cheesy. And Schumacher's like, okay, I'll do what you guys want. Then when you go, Warner Brothers doesn't know what the hell they're doing with Batman, Warner Brothers sucks. The creative that they chose there was terrible. You're on point because that's documented. That's what happened.

In the same things that when, I don't even remember what studio made Titanic, right? Nobody does. You just remember James Cameron. When James Cameron comes in, they say, and they gave them the money. They give them the money. They give them notes. and everything's too. But James Cameron made the movie,

and then when that movie does well, you go, well, James Cameron did it. James Cameron made that, and James Cameron was the one and was great performances and everything too. And even if the studios gave great, great notes, you don't remember it, you think of James Cameron. It's the same thing when these people go,

well, Disney Star Wars is the reason everything is going up in arms and there's a reason it stinks, everything too. It's like Disney will have notes. And there's, and certainly look, Deadpool, right? Deadpool's going to be one where you're going to have to keep an eye on because it's very possible that Disney's going to say, No, no, no. You can't do that because we're at Disney now, where they have said that they're not going to do that. That makes sense. But like when you're asking like what series Disney's going to make next,

Lucasfilm comes to Disney and goes, the next series we want to make is this. Like, okay, well, how much is it going to cost? Well, this is your budget where you have. Go ahead and do it. You think, like, Acolyte, you think Disney came up and said, we want you to make an Acolyte series. No, Lucasfilm goes, we're going to, there was a pitch in a, a room that they want it that they want to do we want to do an an acolyte series and it's based on this and this is when it's going to be okay well what's it about and they and they're they hear notes but they're not the ones coming up with the premises it's so it's it's it's yeah that's really true it's not how it works it's not it's it's like no one's gotten over the prequals I feel

like and the purchase in a way that like it's so true I've never even thought about that it's constantly talked about in that way like Disney's making this star And they're not making it. No. They give them, now listen, they very well could say, like if Lucasfilm comes in and says,

we're going to do a series about Darth Vader, and it's just pure murder. We're going rated R. And blood's going to be everywhere. He's going to be dropping F bombs and he's going to be doing this. And Disney goes, we don't want to put that on Disney Plus. Like,

that's, no, like, we need you to tone that down. That's very possible. And that, and very possible. And probably what exactly.

what would happen because they they are conscious of their brand there's no doubt about it but when they start when obiwan like that they didn't have they they're not coming up with the ideas that's debor chow and that's with kathleen kennedy and and and and and philoni and all those people that that are coming up with that and they go this is this is the story that we're going to tell and then there's marketing behind it so it's yeah you know uh it like the only company like that i feel like anymore it's like for that I can think of right now that huge is like Pixar Pixar you don't often know by name like offhand like every director writer involved it's Pixar making it but it's that's Disney also and it's like and it's like yeah but that's the same no one says that no one no one ever

no one ever says it's it's it's it's it's Disney's fault and when it's and when it's good and and I'm and I'm not telling you that when it's good you should give them credit because it's the same thing like they're not they're putting the money into it and they should get the credit for producing it and putting money into it and believing in it. Absolutely. But when it comes to the creative decisions behind it, it's like they shouldn't get the credit for the creative, they shouldn't get, well, it was all Disney. That was the reason why Endgame was so good. No, it was Favro and the, Fagie and the Russo brothers and everybody that was putting it together and the performances and the buildup behind it, all that, that's who should get the majority of it. And then, yeah,

you give the producers that were behind it and the executives that greenlit certain, And said, okay, yeah, you guys, that's fine, that's cool. You can do that. But the creative stuff, people got to stop saying. That's just people unaware of how it works in the system. I was around it for 15 years. And I worked at Warner Brothers, the same thing. It was, it's, there's certain things that the studio will green light and certain people

they want to work with and certain, but it's when we were, when at Joel's company, there was scripts that he wanted to do. This is the movie we want to do. This is the director we're going to have. Here's the script we want to put into production. Oh, can you do this, this and this? we want to go this way with it. All right, go, go make your movie,

but it's got, it's got, you got to show receipts that it's going to make cash. So, yeah, it's just, it's, it's, it's that thing. So, and, and I, I don't mean to use this particular guy as an example, but it just happens all of the time. And it's, it's, it's frustrating. And it doesn't matter who it is. The same thing, it's the same thing,

if it's like a matter of, like, when, when, like, Warner Brothers shouldn't get the credit for the Snyder cut. You know, like, Zach Snyder's, should get the credit for that. I mean, they should get the credit that they gave them money. They released it, all those things. And they finally after people were like, hey, put it out, put it out, put it out. They put it out. They put it out. But they didn't have the, the, clearly the creative input he does, but it's still under the Warner Brothers banner. So it's, it's a, it's a whole whole conversation.

It's a good point. But as far as, if you could have one clone war's character, who would it be? is ultimately what poor Lewis Scott was trying to ask here. I think for me right now, the way it's been set up is I think Quinlan Voss. I think Quinlan Voss to me is a character now that has enough intrigue behind him and now has been set up by Obi-Wan inside of his series that and you could, like imagine Jason Mamoa playing Quinlan Voss and having a Quinlan Voss series about helping out the renegade in six to eight episodes that's the other thing with these series though i like i i don't think they need to go into season two season three uh it depends on how it's

it's written look at rogue one i in no world that i think rome road one uh and or i didn't think andor was going to get three seasons that's crazy but but clearly they have a story yeah yeah i i'm so excited for andor series now that that obi one is out of the way and we saw that trailer But I think, yeah, that's a good call. I think maybe I hope they do something with Quinlan Voss, especially from bringing it up. Because it is a really like reach character. If you haven't seen the Clone Wars, you would have zero idea. Or have read the comics maybe.

But I love Assange Ventris. We got a lot of her in the Clone Wars, but I just feel like there's a lot on her home planet and like with the sisters and everything. Where would you put it though? What time period? Because we know. Did you read Dark Disciple? No. I want to give a spoiler to both Steph and to the audience here. So you've been warned as far as the, the dark disciple spoiler goes.

And I'm going to put the time code. Steph, she did. Oh, really? She did. So like she, like in dark disciples, she eats it. And she basically saves Quinlan Voss. And she, you know, oh, but maybe in the, yeah, maybe put them, maybe put her in the show. That could be sick.

I still think that they're so, I don't understand. how, like, that, like, take like the books, yeah, take one of your books and make it a mini-series. You have the writing right there, you have the dialogue. It's like, make it a freaking mini-series or two seasons based off of this great writing from whether it's Christy Golden or Claudia Gray

or Paul S. Kemp, like all these people that you have these books for. And that's just, that's just Alexander Freed. There's all these different writers that they have with really great writers. that you could adapt and just have some of your screenwriters and just adapt some of the books. Try one and see how it does.

Try one. Just try one. Just try one. Just try one. Just try one. You don't have to worry about the writing. I mean, obviously the adaptation from it, but just try one.

Adapt one of your series. And I've been screaming about, you know, Darth Plagis and how you could do it. It's essentially a Palpatine prequel. But yeah, I mean, there's a Darth Bain stuff like the Drew Carpician novels there's so much I don't know what the hesitation is I've I've said that many times over such a hesitation to try to adapt these books I don't get it no I hope I think one day we'll see the day when that happens maybe it's tyca maybe he's

going to read and but I doubt it yeah they kind of they just don't care about the books I don't know it's it's hard it's hard it's hard to but we both say Quillan Voss on that on that one. Yeah, that'd be sick. Yeah, all right. So this one's from Daniel. Do you think that there's a chance that Riva could appear in Andor as a Rebel Alliance spy slash fighter? The amount of time and focus that went into her character arc in Obi-Wan, I feel like the

writers had an aim of wanting the audience to get behind her redemption. I personally felt that wasn't totally earned in the finale. However, it becomes apparent that she was an important player in the Rebel Alliance in the events leading up to Rogue One. I feel like this may play out pretty well and get people behind the character's arc. What are your thoughts on this for to happen? I understand what you're saying.

I understand that the arc wasn't necessarily earned from, and it was also pretty predictable. We were talking about how it seemed like that was going to happen before the show even aired. But I can't, I think that's, I think that would be a mistake to put her in Rogue One because, Rogue One, I keep saying Rogue One, and or because it's too close to Rogue One

at the point when we get to Rogue One, it doesn't seem like there's any force users around, like anywhere, because there's, and why would they, and at that one point where Bell Organa goes and gets, he's basically go go find Obi-Wan at that point. Why would they even need them if they have her, who could be, she could be helping out just wreck and shop? I think she's probably going to have her own mission off to the side.

Well, we'll probably ultimately see the end of whatever it might tragically happen to her or she goes out like a full-on hero. I don't think, I don't think Andor is the place where she's going to wind up though. Steph, what do you think? Yeah, I don't think she is either. I don't know.

To me, I feel like she's a one-off character in Obi-One. I think there could be a future where she shows up, maybe in an animated series, but I don't think that, I just don't have a feeling that that's going off zero fact and just my feelings that I don't think that she's going to be in Andor. but in terms of the I still don't really see that as like a full redemption arc. I do agree.

We called that from a mile away that she'd be the reason that something someone didn't die. But to me, she's still like not great. She's not a good person. She's just not a child murder or she could have been a child murderer for sure before that. No, she's just not a Luke child murder. I don't know. I don't think she was. I think that was the whole point was that she couldn't do it because that was.

that was what happened to her. And then it was that I think that that's why I do think she was redeemed because that's why she had that conversation. That's why Obi-Wan had the conversation. He basically told her you chose to go to the light. You chose to make that decision. It wasn't just this one thing. Because the other thing that she could have done,

if she wasn't redeemed, she could just left them in the, in the, out in the dunes and said, all right, figure it out for yourself. I didn't kill you, but I'm out of here. She carried him back. She brought him back. And I mean, that's pretty redeeming.

She's like, she felt bad about it. She felt bad about what she did. She came back. She didn't attack. if she hadn't been redeemed, she would have come back and like, yeah, I didn't take him out,

but you guys were shooting at me, so I'm going to kill your asses. She didn't do that either. She was like, she was broken out. She felt bad about us. She was crying. She was,

she realized her, where she had gone from the, beforehand was the wrong path. So I do. I think she was, I absolutely think she was redeemed. And I just think that it was, I still,

I stand by this. And I think where people ask this question. I think it was, her best performance of the entire series, but I still think that they did her a disservice by putting her in this series. I think you could have put the character of Riva and Moses Ingram in a different series

and done the same type of arc, maybe not necessarily a little bit Vader, but figured out that type of thing in a different series, maybe in this Quinlan Voss thing that we're talking about, right? Or this potential Jedi Fallen Order story that we're talking about. Like those types of you introduce her

because there's no, there's no attached, it's the same thing like, with Like Last Jedi, or the new trilogy. There's no attachment to characters when it's Mandalorian because you don't know any of these characters instead of when Luke shows up,

but these are all new characters that you're being introduced to, so there's no expectations behind them. There's no expectations, not only of what you hope to see, but there's no expectations of, of getting excited to see the characters that you loved before

and then seeing a trailer going, oh, you think that's going to happen, and then introduced to someone, that you go, well, who's that? Well, they're really, but that's not, that's not the show I want to watch. But I want to see Obi-1 and Vader because that's the, that's, it's called Obi-Wan Kenobi,

and I have this, and there's always new characters that are introduced in all these different shows. But it was just, for this particular, as big of a story in how anticipated this was, it doesn't matter who, which character it was, whether it was Riva, steva, whoever it was. Like, you're going to have, you're going to have a problem when people want to see

Obi-1 and Vader because when you keep cutting back, when you have Vader and Obi-1 in this big massive fight and you cut back to her Chase and Luke and Owen and Ben, everyone like, come on, cut away from this,

we want to see the fight. And that's not fair to her. Yeah, I think if you just compare her, Reva, and Tala's character, I feel like it was way easier to really like to Allah and like want more of her. and I think one thing that Star Wars isn't like I don't know for some reason sometimes with their villains they don't know how to it's sometimes better when there's more mystery like people like Tarkin I think of like he's barely in any

Vader in the beginning Vader in episode four barely in any scenes palpatine is barely in any scenes as like full on the emperor and I think that works really well for Star Wars I'm not saying that I wouldn't want more of them if it's done right. But for some reason, when they're focused so much on characters like Obi-1, that contrast with how they decide to depict their villains isn't as strong as like characters like Tala where you're like, oh, I want more of her. And that sucks because I feel like they're both like those are two great actresses. And we shouldn't be wanting way more of one than the other. It's a great point though because it's a matter of when the way that they introduced Tala is

that they gave her enough of like they kept peppering in character stuff. with her and understanding who she was that but she but they didn't have and and they didn't say okay now you've got to just run with the main like you're going to be like the main storyline for a lot of this series again that's not fair to to to moses ingram at that point it's just not fair because you're you're going that's that's so much pressure to put on someone's shoulder to say we never heard of this character before but you're asking us like we're we're trying to figure out all this stuff that happened with obi won why he's on tattooing and doing all this stuff and does he know about and in and does he know about all this stuff.

And in half an hour episodes like we just talked about, it's just, it was a very, it was a very tough mountain to climb that I think the reason why, that there's, there's so much conversation about it. Yeah. All right.

So that was, that was from Daniel. Okay, next question here comes from far too bored. Would a Vader series work with the current Disney model of making villains anti-heroes? Again, would a Vader series work with the current Lucasfilm model of making villains anti-heroes? While Vader is a fan favorite and a series would be a hits rating-wise, he is not an anti-hero in the slightest.

I'm worried that under current creative, thinking of Vader series is not very likely. Again, creative is coming from Lucasfilm. And it seems to be, and I agree with you, that it seems like Lucasfilm is doing a lot of things creatively here. And one of the things that they keep doing is the lone-cove. story that not only not a little cub on wolf story not not only is is uh just star wars doing that everybody else I think that at Halo is doing it at one point everybody's doing that now and get away from the kids on the on and and the main hero on these separate adventures and now the the main hero's got to take care of the kid and the

kids teaching them something them about something about themselves and it's like no more of that we we've done we've done it how many times we're going to do that we do it we do it in Obi-1 we're doing it in uh in Mandalorian and it's it's that's that's that's that's that's that's one trope the other trope is here here's the here's the main bad guy and now uh they're gonna be redeemed and someone said well that's what happened of Vader yeah but how many times you want it to happen you want it to keep happening because it's that's when it happened with Vader you didn't predict it when it came out and now you we predicted it with Kylo we didn't want it to happen

with Kylo you predicted it with Reva and the question is can they it's a great question, though, and it's one of the reasons why I think that they, this, now this, though, does fall into the Disney side of things, what I will say, like the creative, who pitches the story is not, and who decides to turn someone anti-hero into, as opposed to just pure villain, could be a note from Disney, you're not wrong, where they could say, hey, you guys want to lead with a villain? That's, that's tough. You got kids watching this. thing. And I don't know if we want to, I don't know, I don't know, I don't want to do that. And then it's up to Kathleen Kennedy, the director to go, we want to fight for this.

We want to make sure. We want to, we want to lead with a villain because we want to show. There will be heroes inside of this story, but the main story will be about the villain. And it will be about the things that you know, there will be other, the same reason that, you know, there's, there's heroes in, in, in empire strikes back and the bad guys win in that one. So you can do it and you can make the lead, but it's, it's a great question of whether or not they, I don't think they're going to do it because of that reason, to be honest with you. Yeah, because I'm wondering, they're not willing right now to just like explore the mind of people as much. You know, when we talk about dialogue, they want these action sequences to happen. And when you have a villain and you're not willing to explore like the depth.

What makes a villain interesting is this is why you're. Joker's the most interesting villain to people because there's like a depth to that where you're like trying to figure out why he's like that and you kind of see it in the way he interacts with people in order to for me to fully watch a villain story I wouldn't need that like I want to understand the psyche I want to see like flashbacks of your childhood I want to see like the different things that happen and that's like not how the the Star Wars shows are moving right now or anything that we've seen really from Marvel either yeah it's true um so I don't know.

I mean, look, right now, what we do know, the shows that we know that we have coming out, we have Andrew, we have three seasons of Andor, and I'll tell you a prediction that I can swear by at this point. And this is, this is a prediction I'm going to guarantee, Steph. I guarantee that we're going to see a bevy of comments come in, saying how, who would have thought that out of Boba Fett and Obi-Wan and Andor,

that and or would be the best series. People are going to say that this show is the best of the three. Not including Mandalorian, obviously, but this, I think out of the shows that have dropped this year, I think Andor, not including Bad Batch, obviously,

but I think that Andor is going to get the most praise from the fans from if it plays the same way that that trailer did. Yeah, I think you could be right. And I think it could be the, thing that makes Star Wars realize that they might need a focus on characters that haven't been so ingrained in Star Wars legacy.

Because I think that's the problem. Like the reason, I would love to see a Darth Vader show. And I, like, he's the sickest villain of all time. But I don't really want, I'm scared about the continued discourse that's happening in Star Wars right now. We're like, it's just like, it's not that I'm blaming people for being disappointed or blaming people for being mad that don't love the show. It's just like it's too much for it to go wrong for people.

It's a fantastic point. No, it really is because you're not wrong that when it comes to, when it comes to this explosion of conversation that happens on Twitter or YouTube or comments, whatever, it does, like you look at the two that stand out the most are Last Jedi and Obi-Wan, right? And they're really attached. and even like the new trilogy of movies. But like that's because they're so attached to characters that we know

and things that we understand. Like the biggest discourse in Last Jedi was the conversation of whether or not you thought that was a good interpretation to Luke or not. And there was that big conversation. Mandalorian has gone over really well with fans because there's not a lot of, there's not a lot of characters that you know,

except you've been introduced to Dinn through these episodes and you've kind of learned with him, you've learned about him through each episode. episode and like Boba Fett has had to be changed because he was too similar to Dinn. And that was another recognizable character. And I do want to see a Vader series, but I do think that you're right that there are so many expectations because the writing has to be, it's got to be spot on. And it has to be.

And they've got to rely on like both BobaFet and Obi-Won did not rely on Boba-Fed and Obi-Wan. There's a lot of Obi-Wan stuff. And there's a lot of Boba Fett stuff. More Obi-Want stuff than Boba-Fet stuff in each one of their shows, for sure. But I think that that's the thing that they have to do inside of the writing. If they're going to do it, whatever your show is, lean on whoever you're, if you're going to do Princess Leia show, lean on Princess Leia and make the adventure about

Princess Leia. Make the stuff about Princess. Or don't call it that at least. Or don't call it Leah, right, right. And again, I'm very aware that there was a lot of stuff that was going on. with Obi-Wan for sure. But I just think that you can have, that's, that is the risk.

I think that's absolutely right. But in something like Andor, yeah, we know what happens to him. But we don't know all the lead-up and we, we have a whole bunch of new characters. And how much of Mon Mothma are we really going to be so protective of when she's, well, that's not the way she would act at a council meeting.

It's like, we don't know yet. You have no idea. You don't know yet. No idea. Right. It will Akbar show up, but those types of things. Like that's all stuff that could be really fun

and we learn new imperials and things of that nature. So I do think, and that's why a show like the acolyte is set up for success. As long as the tone and it doesn't feel like campy and they got to get away from that stuff like the stuff that happened in the woods. If they get away from,

you know, that the chase scene and stuff. If they never forget. Yeah, like that type of stuff. But if they stick to like more feels like that last fight or things that we've seen in the Manilorean and even stuff that we saw in Boba Fett, like those types of things that we, that Ackleid is set up for major success because it's like, what, a thousand years or something before Phantom Menace or something like that or 300 years? I can't remember what it is. I think it's 300. 500.

Whatever it is. It's not. It's a lot. It's a lot. And it's not separate. The only one that you probably will see is Yoda. Right. Yoda's the only one that you probably recognize because he'd be, he'd be alive at that point.

He'd be probably like 500 years old if it's 300 or whatever it is. So that's something that would, is set up. The one that's also interesting is the, what's it called the John Watts series? Shoot. Oh. What do we say? A skeleton crew? Yes, skeleton crew, which I thought was High Republic, but is now, it's still going to land inside of the Mandalorian time frame.

And Asoka is another interesting one because Asoka, even though it's characters that this is the big difference for Asoka, Asoka has the creator of Asoka running the show. And the last time you saw her and Satine or Sabine together was in the show, also created by the showrunner of this show. So that one I think is also set up for success. But going forward, yeah, I think they need new stories that don't connect to a lot of recognizable peeps. Yeah, me too. All right, let's get to a few more here.

Let's see. That was from Far Too Board. Next one is from The Grouch, 74. Out of all the projects that have been announced, what are you guys most excited about? What do you wish they would make? What do you wish they would not? And how do you feel they would handle the movies going forward, considering how the last trilogy went? We kind of covered some of that in the last conversation.

But let's see, we'll start with this step. Out of all the projects that have been announced, what are you most excited about coming up? Asoka. I think just seeing that teaser clip and knowing where it's leaving off, where it's starting, where it left off from rebels, I think is just like, to me as a rebels lover and an Asoka stand, I can't not be that. the most excited about that. Assoca, I mean, Mandalorian doesn't count because we already been set. Yeah,

this is the stuff that's announced. Right. The stuff that's been, we're really talking about skeleton crew, um, acolyte and, uh, Asoka,

I think at this point, right? What is there, I mean, Andor, does Andor count? Yeah. Yeah, indoor counts.

I mean, that's shot, but I guess announced, but either, either way, I would say for me right now, I'm the most excited about the acolyte. I think that was,

I mean, I'm very much so I want to see what happens next. I'm a big Rebels fan and want to see where it goes next. But I think for all the examples that I just gave beforehand about, I know nothing about this time period where we're playing with. It's a brand new time period. There's a lot of Jedi running around and yet the Sith are still in the background somehow. And from the rumors that we're hearing that there's going to be mentions of Bain and Revin and all this stuff. That's like right up my alley. So that is, if done correctly, could be a show that I'm very much excited about, but I don't know enough about it yet.

I haven't seen a trailer about it. I haven't seen footage. I mean, the stuff that we've seen, I can't believe how excited I am for Andor. Andor was always a show that I was like, oh, we'll see, we'll see how it plays out. I don't necessarily know if anybody was calling for an Andor show, but this is one of those things where it's like, who cares if anybody was calling for it? It looks damn good. Yeah, the trailer looks sick.

Yeah, I'm pretty excited for, in the same way that Rogue One has risen up the ranks for me, in the films and is to me, you can say this is easily in the Disney era of making those films since Disney bought them in 2012. It is the best Disney era film, no doubt. I feel anyway. And so to connect that to this television series, yeah, as soon this is over, I think I'm going to watch a trailer again. I haven't watched a trailer, I think, since celebration. So. Yeah, that trailer looks so good to me. It just is a part of the galaxy. I feel like that I just didn't think that I wanted to see and I do.

Agreed. And finishing that out. So what do you wish they would make? I think I'm going to kind of couple up of what I just said before. I really wish that they would make, they would just adapt one of their books, whether it is Lords of the Sith. That could be the Vader series. Whether it is Lost Stars, whether it's the Darth Bain trilogy,

whether it's Darth Plagueis. I think there's so many books that they could do. That's what I would like to see them do. How about you, Steph? Anything that you wish that they would make? Not particularly. I feel like I'm getting, yeah, all the corners are being covered right now. How do you?

But I mean, I'm with you in the sense that, like, I would love Darth Bain and Darth Sidious. More of that. Like, we always talk about the scene in Revenge of the Sith between Palpatine. and Anakin. And I would love that. I just don't think they're going to do that right now. No, they probably won't. And then going back to what you said,

what do you wish they would not? There's nothing that was been announced that I don't wish that they would make. So they said, what do you wish to? That's the other thing to be very clear about. At no point, and I said this on a big thing on Monday, it does drive me crazy when people will tell you both sides of this.

Like, in what world do I have to tell you? If you told me that you loved Obi-Wan, and you thought it was the best Star Wars that you'd ever seen, and what world do I have the right to tell you that you're either a, you're not a real fan if you liked Obi-Wan, and you're not a real fan if you like some of the bad writing that I think is bad writing, you're an idiot. What world do I have to say that?

The answer is that there is no world. And on the same flip side to that, And what world do you have to tell me if I don't like the writing, if I don't like certain things, that I'm being too negative, that you just accept what you got, just understand that this is what it is and just enjoy it. It's like, I'm glad that people are able to do that. But on the side that I should be able to say my honest feelings

to how I feel about it, and then also turn to you and say, I think it's awesome that you felt that way about certain things. And you shouldn't hate on, but you shouldn't tell people that if you, if, oh, if you don't hate it, you're, you're, you're, you don't love it, you're, you're, you're just too negative and you shouldn't be watching this stuff anyway. It's just meant for kids and you're not liking it. It's like, it's so silly. You should be able to talk about and give your feelings about

however you feel about it. Yeah, I saw, I, you probably saw this one tweet from this guy. I don't even know his name, but he was like, if you're real, oh, if you're a real Star Wars fan, then you would have only liked the original trilogy and, uh, Rogue One. and maybe, I forget the other one. It was just like such a stupid queen. I was like, who writes this? That's a moron. And it's like that you can't, you can say the flip side to that is I'll be honest, guys,

everything I've watched outside of the original trilogy, I don't like. I don't like it. I don't think it works. I think the writing's back. I don't like the acting. I don't like anything that I've seen. I'm sticking with the original trilogy. Kudos to anybody else who likes it.

I'm out. and someone right back, oh, how dare you? Blu-b-b-b-v-v-v-v-you-you-you-you-you-should. And he, if that person had written that, they're right to say that. But to say, you're not a real fan. Yeah, that's crazy.

Yeah, and I actually saw Pete, Pete Seretta had written a great response to that. He's like, if you like, if Star Wars, if you like Star Wars, and you enjoy it, however you enjoy it, no matter what it is. Like I said, I think that end-fighter, with Obi-Wan is incredible. There's a lot of stuff. Like, I was re-watching Obi-Wan again with my daughter, and there's a lot. I can, it is easy.

Like, I can re-watch the Obi-Wan series many times over. Even with the stuff the gripes that I have about it, I can watch it many times over. More so then I'll be able to watch, like, say, Last Jedi, right? But like, but that same flip side, Mark Riley and tons of the people swear by Last Jedi and love it. And they shouldn't be called shills and they shouldn't be, you know, horrible people. because they like it and not real fans. It's like, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, I, ultimately, Sebastian Manuscalco jumps into my head.

It's just a movie. Yeah, yeah. Leadsabers are cool, but they're not real. It's okay. Our theater's not really. It's like, it's like, it's like, it's great to be a massive fan of this stuff. Obviously, we're on a show that is talking about Star Wars every week, But it's like, what, is it really worth, like, screaming and yelling?

Like going to war with people over? I mean, it's like whether you, but, and to be fair, though, stuff, it's on both sides of it. Because you see, there's a lot of self-righteous people out there that if you, if you say you don't like something, that they call you names about whether it's, whether you're negative or they put you in a place of, of hate or the other things, too. And it's, and I'm not saying that, that doesn't exist because it's, it surely does. but a lot of times it's just, just accept what you got. Just accept what you. Just love it. Just love it.

If that's what you want to do, you want to love it, then you should love it. But like, don't tell other people what not to say if they're doing it in a respectful manner. I've had a lot of conversations with really respectful people on this channel. I mean, we just got a couple of questions about it saying, I really love where they went with it. They weren't hateful about it. the hateful people you tune out and if they start screaming and yelling and throwing stupid things you block them you get rid of them but it's both sides it really is both sides yeah and any extremist

like is so not the star wars way it's so funny when we miss the mark of the entire reason star wars exists is like to show you to not do that and then people do it so wild it's crazy uh all right let's do a couple more here so that one was uh the grouch 74. This is Selsmick Cinema. If there was going to be another show focused on an already established character, who would you want it to be and why? Well, I think we kind of covered that. I would say, I would say Vader.

I'd want to see six episodes of Vader directed by Scott Derrickson. What about you, Steph? Well, yeah, I wanted to ask you why Scott Derrickson. So I just, to me, I just saw the Black Phone. And I think he did some great stuff. in that and I think that if he's able to go a little more horror with Vader because if you look you because even though I agree with that

the commenter who or the fan who wrote the thing about how they might stray away from making Vader to villainy I mean he's pretty villainy in this series and he's pretty and he looked pretty terrifying in a lot of the stuff that they did from that first shot in episode two at the very end when he's in the tank and the music the debor Chow did an amazing job with that scene. And then he was terrifying, some of the most terrifying Vader that we've ever seen

in episode three when he's cracking necks and he's doing all this stuff. And it's a little questionable that he just decides to stab Riva in the chest and just leaves her and doesn't finish her off. You know, but that seemed a little unvaderisk. But he was pretty terrifying throughout the entire series. So it's, it's possible that they could, they could do that. And I think Derrickson brings a really good horror element to it. Now, I don't think you, can get as horror based on Disney Plus, the same way that you do stranger things on Netflix. But I think that you can, you can balance it and get close to it. And I think Derrickson would do a good job, almost like he did, maybe even a little bit more of an intense version of what he did was say, Dr. Strange, you know?

Yeah, I love the original Dr. Strange. I, yeah, that would be cool. I haven't seen Blackflown, but I've heard really good things about it. In terms of characters we've already seen and want more of, I'm not sure. I'm like all about expanding it. Yeah. I don't know because I like what we've gotten. But it's starting for the first time to feel like they're making stuff to make the movies better.

And they don't need to do that anymore. Like I'm worried at a Vader show, then we're going to get Palpatine. And then it's going to be about like his cloning stuff to make. make last to make rise of Skywalker better. Well, I think you get that in Mandalorian. They already started that in Mandalorian. Yeah, that's true. It's so small, though.

I think if the whole show is focused. That's like one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I see what you're saying. Like, yeah, the whole, I think we're going to get more of that though, a Mandalorian as it comes up. But I do think that, yeah, I mean, that's why I say like Lords of the Sith. The Lords of the Sith was, I think, like five years after Revenge of the Sith. And it's legit, it's Chalmston Dalla, who is Harris father.

is basically going through this whole battle. And like that's, that to me is a very different side where you could set up a whole story and set it up gradually where that's happening on one side of it. And the other side is Vader and Palpatine gets stuck on this planet together and have to battle their way out.

Just to do it. Yeah. And inside of that, the psyche of emperor just invaders head the whole time, keeping him going down that dark side, not letting any light thoughts getting into his head the whole time and just like that, like a mini series of that and fighting their way through

and eventually sewing this kind of this, this battle that the two of them are getting through and you see Palpatine fighting through at one point and he's got, I can't remember who, who's coming after him, but he fights with the force lightning and everything too. It's,

it's an incredible story, but it's one of those things where they're just not going to, they're not going to do. Yeah, that'd be cool. Yeah, I would like that. Because that is, to me, like, the takeaway I got from the Obi-1 series is like when you see Darth Vader, to me, the number one emotion I feel is sadness. I just feel like it's so sad. Yeah.

But then there has to be a time with what you just talked about where it turns to just like anger and fully stepping into that to blow up planets and things. You know, like that. So if they went like that, like developing that psyche a little bit more, that's cool. I think where they would probably go with it now, if they were going to do a Vader's. series at all, it would be after Palpatine's like, hey, snap out of it. We don't got to worry about Obi-Wan anymore. Let's start concentrate on the task at hand. And then it would be the two of them doing their thing. You just see Vader going off on whether or not it's when he first meets Afra or whatever it might be. Who knows? All right. Let's see. We got around two minutes left.

Let's end up with a couple more questions. All right, here we go. This, that one, again, thank you from Salis McSinima. And the next one here comes from Jordan, Austin. How would you feel about an Obi-Wan season two if it primarily focused on Obi-Wan and Quigon, and it really goes into depth on Obi-Wan learning to become a forced ghost from him? While also having some side episodes of him secretly helping out locals against bandits, Tuskins disrupting Hutspice movements, allowing for a very spiritual second season that really delves into the force in-depth that casual fans haven't seen, while the side stories give us the action fix and also introduce new characters.

I mean, I love this idea. I think it's a great idea. The only issue that I would bring up, if I was on the other side of it, if I was at Lucasfilm and someone was pitching this idea for a season two, it's like, does that deliver now as well as having Vader in that first season? How do we,

because you just basically, you just shot it all in, because season one was meant for a one-off. It was meant for a one-off. So if it was meant for two seasons, starting with this, what this guy just pitched and then season two is is Vader coming in then that that's a massive impact of holy crap Vader just showed up that's why I I think they stay away from season two

I think I just don't think I think there's too much what do you do what do you do at season two that's going to be except because this to me seems like fun but it seems small compared to what we just got yeah I think um a lot of the Star Wars fans aren't as into what you just set oh, I would love that. I just, I think like in terms of getting broader people who maybe aren't even just Star Wars fans, they just watch some of the Star Wars content on Disney Plus, they'd be like, okay, cool, like it's Ewan McGregor. I'll watch him because he's one of the greatest actors, but it's a cool story.

Yeah, there's not, there's just like, it's, it's just so, you can't go up from where you just had this big, huge battle with Anakin on this planet. And I don't want to see Anakin back. and I don't want to see. And he still has to be low key. Yeah. Right. You know, he can't be like,

Vayner. All over the place. Yeah, I don't, I don't want to. I don't want to see, I mean, I want to see Hayden back and I want to,

I think that he's rumored to come back for Assoca, and I think that's great, whether it's forced ghost and some more flashbacks and bring him back. The other thing that I would love to see, but you'd have to actually deage him

because they didn't, some people said that they did do a deaging on Hayden. Didn't look like. There was a funny meme. 40-year-old Padawan. Did you see that? It was the 40-year-old version. It's really funny.

But I would love to see a de-aged version of Anakin and Obi-Wan for like four to six episodes of during the Clone Wars and see a live-action version of the two of them doing certain things. I know, we've seen that already. I will push back on somebody who wrote this on a recent episode who said, and I've seen this before. I think Pablo Hidalgo even said something like this, that why would you want to see a Vader series when the entire saga was a Vader story. It wasn't. The, it, it, a Vader story, it wasn't. The beginning, the first three

episodes were, episode one, two, and three was Anakin Skywalker being found and his ascension into becoming Darth Vader. Very true. There's, there's no real protagonist in that, in that trilogy at all. Like, he's, he's a main character.

And him discovering that and we finally, but you only see Vader for like, five minutes in that you see him before he's in the in the machinery and everything too but then you you see him maybe five or ten minutes for the whole

entire movie and then he's at the end with Palpatine he's got his arms folded so that's all you see now as far as the original trilogy first movie he's not in as much as you think he is and he's just kind of like an imposing villain second one starts to build a little bit more about the story of Luke and understanding who he

is with Luke and then the end is the redemption of ultimately what he's able to do so coupled up with everything, but the story of actual Vader and being Vader and you got more of that inside of the Obi-Wan stuff, but actual Vader through that time period of episode three leading into episode four, there's a lot on the table, a lot on the table.

Yeah, yeah, true. They might do, yeah, I don't know if they would. I would love to see flashbacks of the clone. Maybe we can get that in Asoka. Maybe, yeah. Yeah, I don't know. Not sure. Anyway, all right, there's a lot.

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We are going to be doing rewatches. You know, we, we did that already. I was going to say we should do a rewatch of Rogue One, but we already did it. We did it for, on this. So we will do a rewatch of, um, of Mandalorian once we get closer to that series. But, um, I think that for, we'll do a bunch of these questions stuff and any big news that drops. But that's it, everybody. So once again, if you haven't done it, please subscribe to the channel, hit that notification button, like share, comment away. Helps out tremendously on the show. And for Steph Sabra, I'm me, you're you. Pros know a thing or two about how to get the toughest messes clean. That's why they've long

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