The Kristian Harloff Show - SINNERS Drops Only 6% Could This Take A Bite Out Of THUNDERBOLTS*?!

Episode Date: April 28, 2025

Sinners continues to dominate the box office and does so in record fashion in week 2. The new vampire film dropped by only 6 percent in its second weekend at the box office. So what is next for Coogler? Speaking of the box office, Revenge of the Sith has a major re releae number. JK Simmons will return as Jonah again in the new Spiderman. Thunderbolts is right around the corner, Kristian has seen it. The Avengers movie Doomsday begins filming soon! TOny Gilroy talks Andor and future of Star Wars. This and more on the show with Kristian and Rocha! #starwars #boxoffice #sinners #movies #reviews #thunderbolts #avengers STITCH FIX: Make style easy—get started today at https://www.StitchFix.com/KHS  

Sinners does it again. Not only is it the number one movie two weeks in a row. It has one of the drop off was barely nothing. Six percent. And I saw someone in the comments say, yeah, but it's bombing internationally. The hell it is. It's doing like $45 million. Is that great?

It's not great. But it's going to make a big profit overall. So we discussed that. We'll discuss speaking of box office. the number two movie was a movie from 20 years ago. Revenge of the Sith makes $25 million in a re-release, massive news and big news. The Thunderbolts, the movie is coming out.

I saw it. I don't think I can give anything else except my initial thoughts. I did an out-of-the-the-the-the-teacher reaction. I can speak about that. And then the follow-up, not the follow-up, but two movies forward is Avengers Doomsday. That is starting to shoot. real soon. So we'll discuss that. Jay Jonah Jameson's returning to the Spider-Man world.

That and more on this episode of the Christian Harlow show with myself and John Roka. A little late today, only about an hour, but nonetheless, we're still getting it going. So let's do it. Boom. How are you? What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to the show. I'm happy to have you. Joining me on the show, as always, John the Outlaw Roker, which is up, John. How are you doing? What's up, everybody? How are you doing, brother? I was on Dan stream last time.

Yeah, I know. I was on there for about half an hour to start things off. Well, you got to have a good opening act, just like WrestleMania. You got to start out with a strong match, and then everyone else can come in and be part of it. But, yeah, I did not cross streams with anybody else. Speaking of which, yeah, the fallout is still happening. Of course it is. And I think it's still falling out with you because you are a big turncoat on the rock.

I mean, long time. A lot of people... It couldn't have been more right. It couldn't have been more right about it. It seems like a lot more people are joining your crew these days. I'm not there yet. Of course you're not. But I still...

I don't agree with A, how he handled WrestleMania, B, how he talked about it afterwards. Oh, awful. Sometimes the things he says when he's trying to do cleanup, whether it was Black Adam or this, he's just not the best at it. it. Oh, he's terrible to take an else. He's terrible to take an else, man. Yeah, it's, it was bad. It was bad, but I'm still on board. And I were talking about the

smashing machine and you were like, right beforehand. And I said, and I'm actually, the trailer's dropping tomorrow. I'm looking forward to it. And you said not so much. Yeah, I'm concerned. I'm worried about it. You know, world of real, world of real had some reactions we would see in an early screening. And there were some comments about how Dwayne Johnson is in a completely a different movie than the movie itself and that it might not be. awards bait as they were thinking initially. But listen, you hear all that, but you still go in with an open

mind, you know, I'm worried about it, but it doesn't mean if I see it tomorrow and I really like it, I'm not going to say that. So I hope I like it. I want to like it. But what are they're saying? He's in over his head. That or like, they built a different movie around the performance that he's

delivering. Kind of like, you know, John Cena and the Bubblebee, you're like, what movie are you in? Because you're not in the same movie than everyone else is in. It's a good example to make me know exactly what you're talking about. Right, right. So we'll see. You know, another guy I like,

hey, that heel turn is not good. I mean, I'm really going, batting a thousand this year. I mean, I'm really just predicting all this stuff and telling you what's right. Against everyone else, by the way. I've taken a lot of hits, but I've been right about the Sina situation.

That heel turn was a waste. And why am I going to see them in Ram and Randy do it again? What am I going to see? It's like grudge match, De Niro versus. alone in their 60s who can't i actually don't mind that i think that i think that's okay for the first feud out of it you know let them let them brawl for a little bit and it's like it's not you got the end of the year with this guy that's that's not my problem my problem is is sulking and like

i love him in peacemaker i think he's great in that show yeah and i think he's been good in in uh train wreck and other things he did the thing with our truth that i sent you yes our truth was great but he was so bad art truth was like he walks out he goes seen him and seen it looks like it looked like the like someone who's never acted before yeah i couldn't believe it anyway but that's because it's hard's not in it man i'm telling you i know and i think he's just doing favors and stuff and i think he probably knows that dwayne kind of bailed on him too so he did he did um okay well we're going to get to this because this is this big news big news sinners um is the number one movie that's not the what i wanted to show the graphics sorry about that um

it does look good but sinners did it again john and you talk about a drop off i yeah i don't remember the last movie that had um a six percent or sweet you'd get out of here with this freaking thing what's going on you okay don't want this don't want that not what i want i want i'm trying to get the right one that is the wrong one here it is this is the one i want thank you thank you very little um okay so here we go now perfect oh listen i just got to rush back from the city, haven't eaten shit. Oh, sorry, buddy. Yeah, it's not the best. So,

anyway, sinners still is the, I'm not doing, I'm not doing the rhyme. I'm not doing it. I'm just saying sinners won this weekend of the box office. I refuse. I refuse to do it run. The estimates for the second weekend of sinners is in. It keeps on rising. One, the vampire musical themed original title, wowed in its second weekend with a mass of 45 million

domestically down just 6% from its 48 million they view last weekend and a superb hold especially for an R-rated horror feature that brings the 90 million budgeted film North America total up to 125 million the film also welcome news internationally after our poor start last weekend in 70 markets oversees audiences liking what they see I don't know what that person was talking about someone said that it's doing poorly internationally that is incorrect they probably just read come from last week and just keep the great maybe as a result it closed out its second weekend with a total

of 39.1 million overseas pretty damn good the overall domestic box office for the weekend has Hollywood very happy the combined 146 million total of films is not just the best result for the final weekend of April since the end of COVID but the first in years where four

titles scored more than 20 million each that is good news the re-release of Star Wars episode 3 brend of the Sith came in second with 25. million over the debut of the accountant two with 24.4 million in third with just 300,000 short of the 2016 original. The fourth weekend of a craft movie continues to power forward with a $8 million offshore to bring its total to $816.6 million after just four weekends. By the accountant two launched to $13.7 million overseas. So, John, you know, you see those numbers there. And obviously what stands out outside of sinners first?

What stands out in that box office? Really, like I didn't think the accountant too would be, you know, I thought there was one of those sequels that might just come in and do only 8 to 12. And the fact that it did like 25 or 24, I think that's a good sign. I think people really like that movie and wanted to see what the sequel is all about. It's gotten good reviews for the most part. So I'm happy for the accountant. Yeah, I've heard, you know, people I like who's opinions.

I like a said they liked it. I'm I think I'm going to see it this afternoon before I go see thunderbolts. Okay. There's a screening right after we're done but I I um we'll see we'll see. I might wait till tomorrow but I want to see it. I'm looking forward to seeing it. So I'm happy to see that happening for that. I dug it and I like Gavin O'Connor. Yeah. Before last week I like him more now. Um, he came in and well he Matt interviewed him on his show. Nice. And he had a great conversation. He just, he's a very real dude. Yeah, like a real deal. Long Island guy. I didn't realize that. Um, he's a real, real dude. Told a great story about how he pissed off De Niro said on the on the show. He was talking to him. He was on the phone.

They were talking about, we were talking about Al, I guess De Niro wanted to do a, um, a Vincent Lombardi movie. And, and he was like, you know, he just, the script wasn't there. So they had a couple conversations. And then he wasn't in he, he, De Niro went off to shoot a bunch of movies and yeah, I was like, I can't wait. So he didn't, he, by the time, Zero came back, he said, I can't do it. And De Niro apparently blew up on him on the phone. And this is pretty told on the air, so I can tell it. And blew up on him.

And he said, he goes, he got so bad at one point. I stopped and I said, Bob, you're getting little good fellows on me right now. Great. He said that he was pissed off on him. And finally years later, they made up. But it's a great story. It's a great story. That's all on Match Channel, by the way.

So I'm glad. that it did well because he was very passionate about that movie you could tell he understands what he was making he doesn't make movies that he doesn't really believe in so I'm glad that movie did well Revenge of the Sith is a good sign for it because I think that means that people that other

generations too are going to see the movie again that maybe they saw when they were kids and they never had a chance to see it in the theater so they get the chance to see it yeah what did you think about that yeah go ahead. Give me my take on Revenge of this I want to give you my take my experience please please you know and people can come after me if they want But I saw someone post something and they said like, God, it says volumes that a re-release of a Disney movie is the Star Wars movie from whatever years ago is the best thing they've done in, you know, year, best thing Star Wars has produced in years.

And look at the attention it still gets. And, you know, whatever your feelings are about Disney buying Star Wars. And I get it. There's a lot of things to be upset about. And I respect people who are upset about some of it or most of it. I certainly can point out some things I didn't like for the reason. But they have kept the brand alive. They have given a place for people to go to discover these films again.

They have elevated the brand in that way. There's access to it now on streaming in ways that we didn't have before. There's one place you can go, get that Disney Plus. You can watch all the Star Wars crap you want. And so to me, this is them undercutting the fact that whatever your feelings are about the end product, they've done a really great job of keeping Star Wars in the mainstream conversation of the world and expanding its reach so that a re-release of Revenge of the Sith can generate this kind of buzz and excitement because the prequel fans who love them, I am not a fan of the prequel's, but I know a lot of them

grew up, they feel validated and seen and loved by the Star Wars community in the Star Wars universe and Disney, so they want to go and enjoy this film even more so, I think. So I think in a roundabout way, you have to give a little bit of credit to Disney and Kathleen Kennedy and others who have kept Star Wars very much in the pop culture, Zykeyes. Yes, we were always talking about it, but there wasn't new stuff coming. And so the fact that they were able to create all this stuff, regardless of the end results, we are always talking about Star Wars.

And so I think that's another reason why this film did so well this weekend. I won't. I won't say that, well, no, I'm not going to call you that, but I'll say, but I'll tell you that I disagree with you. Okay. I, it's Star Wars. So whoever bought it, if they would have put the resources into it, could kept it alive. If Amazon bought it, they would have kept it alive. And how would have gotten the credit, though?

It depends on who made it. It depends on who's, like, I think they, we've we've agreed on the fact that we've looked at this like this is a sports team and the management has handled the franchise like poorly as far as how they put things in together and like I think they I think they've actually hurt the the Star Wars brand more than they've um helped it and I don't think it's just Disney I think it's it's Lucas filming the people that are in charge Lucas film are are more to to blame for the creative side of it but Disney as they're bosses could have asked for other things. I just look at stuff the way that Apple produces and the way that they produce things. And I just feel that they have a better handle on these things. And you look at like Andor to me and or to me is as I've mentioned now until I'm blue in the face is not how I want every single Star Wars project to be because I don't think that the brand is that serious all of the time. But I think it shows that it can be. I think it shows that it can be adult. I think it's showing that it can be adult. I think it's that you can have an HBO Max quality type show with that type of writing and good acting. And you could still do that and have the fantastical stuff attached to it. But I don't think they did a good job handling at all. And I still think that even if, again, Apple had the brand.

And let's say that the last, let's say they actually had a movie three years ago, as opposed to 2019. And that movie three or two years ago made a billion dollars. and then they released Revenge of the Sith, maybe it would have done $50 million. You know what I mean? Maybe it got more popular because the brand is in such, you know, it's used to be the number one as where like baseball in the 50s was the number one pastime.

Football is the number one past time now. Yeah. But Marvel jumped over Star Wars years ago. And D.C., who hasn't even put a damn movie out yet, a new one in DCU rather, is more anticipated than Star Wars stuff. So I feel like Star Wars and Disney and Lucasroom have handled Star Wars terribly.

Yes. I mean, I'm not going to as you said, we've discussed that before and been on the same page about the overall results, right? The overall report card on it. But my point is that like they put it on a network. Like let me go old man for a second. Like watching classics on TCM, made me want to go see them in the theater.

The first time I saw them was on TCM, the channel TCM, but knowing that there were houses or theaters in L.A. where I could go see old movies because I'd seen them. I want to see them on the big screen. I think there are a lot of younger generations who are discovering the prequel trilogy from Disney Plus. And they don't care about what's the end result and end product and did anybody like it.

They're not caught in those bubbles. Nine and 10-year-olds, eight-year-olds are on Twitter going, let's get angry about shit. You know, they're like, what can entertain me? What can get me excited and where can I go? Well, look, dad doesn't have to go to the video store and buy us all the prequel trilogies. No, he pays $10 a month on Disney Plus and I can watch it as many times as I want.

So I do think in that way they deserve credit in creating a space where people can. Could Netflix have put that on? I mean, you would have never gotten a snatchable release with them. But couldn't anybody who bought it, put it on a Netflix? streaming so like that's what i'm saying even if they did i would give them credit if amazon bought it put it up i would give amazon credit netflix it i'd give netflix credit so i just want to say like in a vacuum i think that's fair to give them credit for it but of course you have to factor in all the other stuff which you are correct in saying that they you know overall brands been damaged you know right

i mean look by buying it they kept it alive we'd agree on that yeah yeah exactly by buying it at least someone like well at least someone bought it i just don't i just don't feel like it was like you know, the Acme movie that couldn't find a buyer and then catch up whatever bought it. You're like, well, then you can go, hey, you might not like what they did, but they're the only ones that kept it alive. Like, if it wasn't for them, you would never see this movie. That I get. But the other side of it, too, is like Apple didn't have an animation division ready to go. Amazon wouldn't have had a division animation division ready to go.

The fact that they were able to attack it on multiple fronts, including, you know, books and comic books, all this stuff, Apple, the Amazon Prime, all these other Netflix, they would not have been able to do what Disney did. And so I think that's the way they kept the brand in the pop culture, Zikeis. Wait, but that's Lucas film. That's not Disney. Well, Disney has a movie film.

But they already had publishing. They had that in, you know. But Random House had it. I mean, Random House had it. I mean, they were already making Star Wars books. It came with it. Anybody that would have got in the books. But they removed the other stuff, right,

and made it very much canon. They have a product. Disney said, okay, this is canned. These are the books. This is all canon. This is all.

So they are involved. Yes, it was Lucas film, but with Disney deciding on the plan going forward. And I'm not trying to chill out. Listen, I'm not trying to chill out for Disney. I just wanted to give credit with credit.

All right. Well, look, we agree to disagree on that one. Okay. That's careful. Either way, they had some, they had $25 million dollars that came in to.

Amazing. For the support. It is, it's huge. And centered. though, the fact that it did what it did. When was the last time you heard it dropped like that small? Did they say what it was?

I was looking at the list here on box office. There's only been 30 movies in the history of movies that have done better than the 6% drop. And I'm talking about movies that increased and movies that dropped less than 6%. 30 total movies in the release, according to box office mojo have ever done better than

the 6% drop. And that's amazing. None of them are R-rated freaking horror films. Let's just put that on the table, which makes it all the more amazing. And Ryan Coogler and the crew deserves so much credit for that, man.

And I think they're starting to have, like, you know, there's tons of viral videos going out about the movie also. And I'm telling you, that stuff helps dramatically. Oh, yeah. Like dramatically.

where you have, I think that because of the generation that is watching, like look at something Minecraft, right? Minecraft, which again is, I don't know if it's going to hit a billion, but it's going to damn close. Right. The amount of younger people that saw that movie because of all the stuff that they saw, whether it's the popcorn throwing shit and all the other things that they saw, chicken jockey and all that through TikTok and everything else.

It's a market. I mean, it's a marketing tool. Yeah, yeah. And so the same thing, like you see stuff that's coming out and they're showing parts of the, of the, some of the scenes that are happening and people are going and checking this movie out. And the fact that it dropped that low, I mean, that's, you got to be, you got to be very happy if you're Ryan Coogler. You'd be very happy if you're Warner Brothers. Warner Bros. have a hell of a year right now, right now. All of it's not.

It was looking bad for Warner Brothers, but Minecraft and, and sinners have now kind of turned the war. What did they have in the beginning of the year? Did something eat crap in the beginning of the year? Yeah, well, I mean, they, judging from like, you know, starting from like Joker 2 on, it hasn't been a good last year. Yes, but I'm talking to this year in particular. This year in particular they started like exactly. Last year was they were the brunt of the joke last year with with the Joker 2. But this this year, I mean, they went Minecraft to centers like boom boom.

Like that's that's impressive. Real impressive. Good point. I'm going to take a look to what we got. Yeah, take a look. So what do you guys make of the box office? Do you think you like what you saw? Did you see sinners?

Did you see any of these other movies that came out? Do you think that there's going to be a big drop off? Because we got Thunderbolts, which is coming up. Is it this week? Is it this week? Yeah, yeah. So obviously that'll take a chunk out of, you let's, before we and jump off of that,

because we'll get into the Thunderbolts. Like, because Thunderbolts will take a chunk out of Sinners. Sinners will not have a, it'll have probably like a 50% drop next week. Right, right. which is understandable at this point. You can get third weekend. But do you, what do you think? Well, we can jump into Thunderbolts as far as what we think it's going to make all that in just a moment.

But let me ask the audience as far as what do you think when it comes to sinners? Do you think it's going to make more money, less money when Thunderbolts comes out as far as drop percentage? Put your thoughts in there. Did you see Revenge of the Sith? What do you think about the re-releases? What do you think about the conversation John and I had about the fact, you know, Lucas from Disney, did they keep it alive? Yeah, did you agree more so with the points John was making,

which I think made a lot of ballot points, a lot of good points, or did you agree with the fact that I think that they dropped the ball? Put your thoughts in there, let us know. All right, before we get moving on, and we have a lot more to talk about. We'll talk about Thunderbolts. I'll tell you about Stitch Fix. Big fans, you guys know that.

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That's good music you chose for that one. Right, right. 17 right now. We got to get you last week, Roxy won, but you weren't too far away from your Monday total. You think 82. I could have beaten 82, you think? If I had known, I would have worked a little more.

Last week? Yeah, you were pretty close. You were pretty good. You only beat you by a little bit. So you can get a win under your belt. this week we shall see um i would tell people to go and check out check out the um the clips channel that we have we just have the christian harl clip channel and then if i don't know if luke or pl d's in here apparently the wrong link to the clips channel is in the uh description if we could

change that guys that would be wonderful i don't know who's that i don't know who did that but it's okay you need me to go in there kick some ass on these two guys for god sakes i think you're doing a good job i think they're doing a good job you know what um i let me tell you real quick i saw i don't know when the embargo is i'm not going to go wait i want to follow up on the one of this real quick so niki 17 crashed and burned yes he did yes he did good call also knights crashed and burned and they spent some money on that the denaro film uh that that movie got pushed that movie got pushed it was that was supposed to be last year but yeah it just sank like a stone working man did okay and then Minecraft the fingers as you said

but a lot of money you start from joker folia do which is october not that far away from the end of the year then you get juror number two which didn't do well red one was a tank sweetheart didn't didn't do that great i won the red road was amazon though yeah but it was still a distributed they don't they don't lose any money on that war the roharim that didn't do so well and and and the companion was a nice little highlight there and then what we got they had a rough 24 they had a rough 24 though um so far so good right now right now yeah it's true we'll see i mean look they got superman coming out that could be big for them um we'll see we'll see how that plays out Yeah, it's, it's, they had a lot of movies already come out, and it's only April.

And the next big one, the summer movie season really starts on Friday with Thunderbolts. The Thunderbolts, yeah, 100%. So it just took my out of the theater reaction up. I went to the, and I got lucky this morning, John, because I went and I was, and I, there's a train station closer to my house, and I was going to take that one. Yeah. And I was like, yeah, I'll take that. It'll get me in, the movie was at 10.30. So it'll get me right around 10.05, but I can get to the theater because I thought that I thought the movie, the screening was in Times Square.

So I'm like, no, you know what? I'm going to drive to the other one closer to the office. And I did. And so I get on the train, I get there. And I got there at like 9 o'clock. So I'm like, I got an hour to spare. I'm good. I was like, walking around the city, I'm enjoying myself.

I'm like, I'm just relaxing. She'll and I stop. They got myself at water. I'm like, you know, great. I get to Times Square. I walked in. Do not see a table where they check people in. I go, that's the problem.

I looked at my email, and it was only like 10 to 10 at that point. The movie started 10.30. I'm like, okay. And I look and I'm like, yep, it was the one on 34th. That's great. So it wasn't too far away, but I'm like, shit. So I had to turn back around me. I still made it at 10 o'clock.

Got there more than enough time. For some reason, all the escalators are out, and it's hilarious because myself included, a lot of critics are just not in shape. and they're escalator myself included the escalators and this is in in 34th Street there's like all these this this escalator goes all the way up to the top and you and the bathroom is on one level and you know all the way to top and people were like wheezing and by the time you got there it was it was a disaster um but luckily it was it was on the way back but um but we get there sit down um I like this movie oh good good I liked it tonight, so I like that you liked it. I liked it. It does a lot of really good things. Chemistry is really good with them.

It adds some depth to the characters overall. You care what's going on. Lewis Pullman's a great addition to what they finally, we've been on agreement that they didn't really know what they were doing with Julie Streifis for a while. Yeah, JLDA. She's really good in this and she serves. a really good purpose for what they're trying to do.

It's an enjoyable movie and it's a, and not all the jokes land, but it's not a joke fest. It's like when people tell jokes, like, okay, the character would probably say that and you can choose whether or not you thought was funny or not,

you know, but I dug it and I hope people check it out because it's, I do think quality-wise, it seems like it seems like it seems like it's going to be, like I said, the most, I think, again, the more quality movie out of all of them,

but the spectacle is going to be fantastic for for sure. Really? Oh, it's the spectacle. It's a spectacle. Yeah. I mean, this movie, it almost, it feels like a smaller big movie, if that makes sense. Yeah.

Like, is it like on par with Ant Man or Guardians of the Galaxy? I like you better than Ant Man too. But I mean, I mean, in terms of the presentation, the size, the spectacle, whatever. Yeah. Like, is it more in that kind of area?

Yeah. I mean, well, you know, it's got to, you remember how everybody thought that, that Captain America Brave New World was going to have that winter soldier tone. Oh, yes, yes. I think this captures that more than Captain America, Brave New World.

It's probably quality-wise, I was talking about this too. Quality-wise, I think it's the best thing they've done, my taste, since No Way Home. Because, no, maybe since Guardians 3. I love Guardians 3. Yeah, this is great. I love Guardians 3.

So maybe since Guardians 3. Because Deadpool and Wolverine is a funny Saturday, Night Live movie. Like, where Thor, Love and Thunder is a bad Saturday live movie. Deadpool is,

it's a funny movie and it's got some emotional moments to it. But it's there for the laughs and it's there for, it almost like, you know, it's taken a goof on itself. This is like,

this is like a serious movie with like developing characters and all that and stuff. Yeah. It felt that way from the second, from the last trailer, that it was going to dive into some mental health stuff,

dive into like people questioning their confidence in themselves. It was a little dark. Yeah. I like that. I think you're going to dig it. Yeah. I think you're going to dig it. You know,

I love the dark. Yeah. And it's, but it's not just dark, but it's not this dark to be dark. It's like it all, it all has a purpose as far as why it is. And like I said,

it's not just dark. It's dark. And look, Andrew is dark. And it continues to get dark. And there's not a lot of humor in Andrew. You're right about that. It's not.

It's a, it's a pretty tragic show overall, but like, this is not that. This is, there's some, as you said, they play with the darkness.

they definitely dive into that the psyche of a lot of different characters and it works well so i i'm curious what people will think i hope people go and check it out um okay let's get into speaking of that speaking of marvel it looks like Avengers dooms you saw your tweet about Avengers right before we did this story so I'm curious to hear what your thoughts on this Avengers, Doom's Day is, the filming apparently begins this Monday. Yeah.

Marvel Studios, Kevin Feigy, has confirmed that Avengers, Doom's Day has begun, it begins filming somehow, what was it, tomorrow? And the shoot kicks off almost exactly one year from the movies planned theatrical release on May 1st, 2026, though first announced in 2022, the upcoming fifth Avengers film really didn't become its current form. 20 mid-20204 when plans for the kang dynasty were scrapped and avengers dooms day was announced with robert 10 Jr. in the role of dr. Doom. I think Kang's supposed to come out like this week. Yeah. The team has right? Yeah, a lot of people talked about that in their posts. What do you guys

expect to see? The team has frantically been writing and gearing up for production ahead of the shoot, which will mark the first of the two Avengers films coming in the next few years. Speaking about filming finally getting underway, Figuey says everyone's excited. Since Avengers movies are always about incredible actors, who we've never met before on screen, meaning for the first time and interacting in ways they've never interacted before. That's my favorite part of Avengers movie. There's already been a little taste of that with some people sitting here in the Thunderbolts, and we officially start filming on Monday, so that's what's next for us and what's very exciting.

One of the films cast members, Wyer Russell, spoke on Comicbook.com and joked about the film's secrecy, saying media training for Doomsday is that they just, just hold a knife to your neck and say you see anything. And so speaking of Marvel report at Daniel R.P.K. Indicates a filming of Spider-Man brand new day is officially set to get underway in August. Though a specific date with that month hasn't been revealed. Victor von Boone. Okay.

So, John, I saw your post, I think today. And you had said something along the lines of the script or something wasn't done yet for. Yeah. Yeah. I posted it yes last night and people have been talking about it into today. But yeah, the things is what we've been saying for weeks and I think a couple of months, actually, that there were issues with this script and that they are still working on it because, as Jeff said on the hot mic, they're still closing deals with some of these actors that are going to appear in the movie.

And I saw as a few push back, you mean just like Iron Man? As if Iron Man, the beginning of a universe where they don't even know, if they're going to be successful with it or have a shared universe that's going to work, is how you should approach a movie that you're doing now with all of these characters that have had their separate franchises, all of these storylines that you've presented, and with you having taken a bunch of punches in the mouth

for the last phase or so with some of the content you've released. So it's a completely different scenario. You don't want to shoot Avengers Doomsday, like I shoot Iron Man in terms of, still working on the script, still write and other things. I mean, I think there's just a lot here that I'm, I'm, to me, makes me a bit nervous and unsettled. That being said, we've seen the track record of them together,

you know, the Rousseau's with Figey and one of either Marcus and McPhil and have been successful, but yeah, they're still working on the script. They're still writing it. They'll, Jeff was speculating that they'll move lines from one character to another. I don't know how that feels for an actor to have a line removed and given to someone else, but, you know, it's just a situation here where it doesn't seem that on top of it is you want them to be for a movie like this and this scale you know a pushback i would have on that as you don't go into filming without locking down the key characters the key ones that you

can't rewrite stuff for in a world you're right in a utopian world what i'm saying is this like okay do i believe that there are some deals that are not done yet yeah i do do i think that they're groundbreaking like it'll just sink the movie if they don't get them no i probably think that okay look you You know, for example, their stuff that was supposed to happen in Andor that they couldn't. And Gilroy has talked about this publicly. That's why I'm not saying you. But like people that they wanted to get that they couldn't get because they were shooting stuff and they couldn't make it happen. So they had to adjust.

It wasn't, it didn't kill the show because it wasn't the focus of the show. So it one of those chairs that wasn't announced because like, well, we don't have them signed yet. Right. So and it's not even like, well, look, if we get them, is it. It'll be a cool scene, but if we have to lose it, we lose it. Does it hurt like the structure of the movie? No. That's kind of where I think it is.

I think that if they went into it going, you know, we don't have so-and-so locked down and they're in 35% of the movie. Yeah. That's fireable stuff if you do that. Well. Because it's filming on Monday is why I'm saying that. Right, but I don't know what the particulars are behind the scenes in terms of like, this film is supposed to be done and out in a year. question. And so if you're still, you know, locking down people that can put you behind special

effects, put you behind on visual effects, put you behind on a number of things. Even if you say, even if they're not a main character, there's a scene you've mapped out. There's a whole thing. Now you've got to change a scene. You got to shoot a different way. You've got to do all these things. And I think they're going to start shooting before they've locked down people. So you might shoot scenes that are going to be in the way to replace people not signing. And then they, eventually signed then you're going to shoot that scene and replace the other. It's an interesting situation because it seems to me a lot of wasted effort if you don't have everything really locked in before you even start. But let's say that I know. I'm making a movie and the movie

is starring, you know, the majority of people, the three main cast members that I have are you, Steph, Winston, and Roxy. You guys are the ones that are the part of the movie. And I know that I've locked you down, but I really want to get Mike and I really want to get Brett and I have them and I have written scenes for them and it'll be nice to have them in there but they're like look we can't make we don't have deals for them yet so okay well you know I'm gonna do I'm gonna film the majority of John and Roxy and Mike's stuff I'm gonna film all their stuff how long do we think we'll say well we can probably film all their stuff in about a month maybe a month and a half does that give you guys enough time to negotiate so we can film these

scenes in a month and a half yes it does and if you don't lock those things down in three weeks, two weeks, you know, for these things, you can film around that. It's just, but you're going to be getting phone calls. Did you lock it down? Did you lock it down? Did you make it happen? When are we shooting it? Because if you get to a place where you're like a day out, two days out before you're supposed

to start shooting, then I agree with you. Then you're the place. But you have some time to kill. You're not hurting VFX and other stuff because you're not, because you're still within the reach of when you're supposed to shoot. If you're adding extra shoot days, I agree with you. But if it's within the confines of when you're supposed to, hey, we know, we know we need Mike Seens shot by May 17th.

Are we going to get him? Yeah, we'll have them. Just give me one more week. And then it's May 13th. Did we get him? Yeah, he's locked down. He's out of contract. All right, then let's shoot.

If it's May 16th and we didn't get him and then we now I got to shoot. Now I got to push and I got to shoot on May 25th. Well, now that goes past my budget. Right. And I hear you. But we see this all the time. Don't we in sports? Like, you know, we'll prepare for our starting quarterback not to be on the team when

training camp happens or when the first week of the season rolls around we'll prep our backup quarterback right and the in the why is that because the starting quarterback knows they should be getting more money and they're going to hold out until the team feels desperate i don't know what the situation is behind the scenes in terms of who is holding out who is not i mean i you're erring on the side of this seems logical to me and you're right it does seem logical to me to you but i don't know necessarily that there isn't one of these more main characters who is holding out and realizes like Marvel needs me to do this stuff. And so I'm going to wait till they are in a little bit of dire straits and they can meet my

quota or meet my number. Too many people who are fans think all these actors are just like, oh my God, thank you. Oh, thank you. A lot of actors who have name and recognition and status, which is who Marvel hunts and chases, by the way, they have a little more leverage in terms of negotiation. So they also have bulldog. They also have bulldog agents. Yes. that as well. And Marvel is wounded and a wounded animal right now. So you've got Iger saying you've got to cut the budgets. And then you got agents and you got to pay my client. So I don't know necessarily behind the scenes that it's like people who are just coming in for a line or two. It could be someone much more than that. I don't know. Yeah. I think with a year out though, that's very unlikely.

I don't think I want to believe you're right. I want to believe it's unlikely. I think that because of what you just said, Iger, this isn't a movie that's going to cost. This might be the most expensive movie of all time this and the next one you can be both of them so possibly if i'm bob iger i'm not just like floating around in my pool going they'll figure it out i'm going what the hell's happening what's going on and and then if i said look because if someone tells iger well yeah we haven't locked down um chris hamsworth yet but he's in 15 he's in 10 minutes of the movie and we're pretty confident we talk to his agent we're pretty confident they want a couple of things we know we're going to get the deal done but probably going to shoot his stuff later but we're good with him can you get on the phone

with him can you make a call i'll talk to chris blah blah you mean it's like something out of the studio yeah you know um but you're not wrong if they're like hey we announced um one of our chairs is if it's i don't want let's say who's who's made like uh pedro pascoe right sure they'd say petro pasch pasch oh we know this is after fantastic four if they didn't really lock him down for that and he's not locked down they're well we only had him on for fantastic four in sequels we didn't really get him on for adventures well then somebody's an idiot right yeah like who who would be who would be those people that would be, I mean, is it maybe some of the X-Men? Maybe that's, that could be, even if it's 20% of the movie,

an X-Men have a big deal to Patrick Stewart's or whoever it is. And like, well, Patrick Stewart's deal is not done. You guys are shooting chair shots with his name on it. We're not even done yet. That's a problem. Yeah. I just don't know if that's the problem. I just wonder if any of these actors are in action sequences that they're going to

shoot because that's another part of it too is like, you're going to shoot an action sequence without certain characters in there that then you're going to add them later and reshoot the scene these are the questions you comment but we'll wonder i wonder i think i don't i don't think kevin fogie says we're shooting on monday without this thing getting that close it's it's i mean but there is a there is an argument to be made of like look we're getting pressure by disney they need an avengers movie and they ain't moving it and disney ain't budge and they want this movie out in a year we got to figure it out that's also that's another part of it that i think might be working on as well behind the scenes definitely definitely could absolutely be something's like hey i don't

and maybe it's maybe it's that my scenario but it's a little bit more dire than that and it's hey I don't care who you didn't get yet film their scenes last figure it out I'll help you out I'll make the calls we have to start shooting board I don't think we might have to push it back you ain't pushing it back

you can push it on Monday you start shooting on Monday figure it out but we also need this person that where's the script script's pretty much done but we need but we're not sure because this and this well then you'll have to rewrite it if it comes down to it Also a very, very possible scenario. Yeah.

No, I agree. I agree. What do you guys make of all of it? The fact that they're announced that they're going to be doing the Avengers, the shooting on Monday. And the fact that are these scripts done, if so, if they don't have everybody locked down, what do you think it means? Do you think it's more likely that it's the smaller roles? Do you think that it is the major cast? Do you think that there's none of this?

It's just they're ready. It's good. We're going to see the movie in a year from now. All right. I want to jump back to Thunderbolts real quick and go to the as we combine story two and and this story. John, what do you think as far as box office Thunderbolts will do because it's already getting good

word of mouth, not just from the influencers that went to the premiere. It's like actually getting good word of mouth from people who are seeing it and then digging it. What do you think that means? Does it do a damn or people just going to have? Is this one of people are going to wait for streaming? I think this is one of the most unpredictable box office films that we've seen in a while.

I think, you know, look, Minecraft surprises. I thought that was not going to do well at all. And it certainly blew up like crazy. And I don't know if anybody predicted they would blow up to this level, aside from fans of Minecraft. So when I look at Thunderbolts, there's been people claiming that, you know, they haven't seen anything on it. Or they don't, they're not that interested. They don't know these characters. watch the Disney Plus movies because a TV shows because look a lot of these characters from

Disney Plus TV shows how many people have actually watched it. So I think it's very unpredictable. I think the word of mouth is going to be a massive deal. And this is where critics I do come in. I know the popular thing is to crap on critics and it's so cool to do so. But I do think these are the kinds of movies where critics make a difference. Where critics go in and report and critics you trust have really positive responses to it, then you're going to go give it a chance and you're going to go see it. And so I think, are you asking me opening weekend? Are you asking me? Opening weekend domestic.

Shit, man. One, I don't know, one 15, 125? Is that too much? I think so. Okay, maybe 85. That's where I am. You jumped seriously down and I agree with you. Yeah. I was like, am I overstated, fine, 85 feels right. But I want it to, I think it has a chance to do 100.

I actually think it's the movie. I hope it does do 115, 120, but I don't think it will because of the points you just made. I think that people will say, I didn't watch the shows, I don't know who these characters are, I'm not even sure. I took a friend he's looking at it and said,

oh, that person's in it? I saw a little bit of that show. And okay, I guess that's interesting. But I will say that you have to, the ones that I, and I, and I always, I pushed back against Figey when he said, you didn't have to see Wanda Vision in order to

see multiverse of madness I'm like, what are you talking about me? You don't get the emotional attachment for that whole storyline. I think you miss emotional attachment from this if you haven't seen Black Widow. I think you miss I think you won't really

latch on to Wyatt Russell as much if you haven't seen Falcon and Winter Soldier. Bucky's Bucky, you know, the other stuff. And then there's other How many people remember Hannah John came in his ghost? Like, you know, you... That's what I'm saying.

She has an opportunity. She's the one that you have an opportunity to actually learn her. It's irrelevant to you. You don't really necessarily have to see it, man, too. She shows up, but she wasn't, it wasn't the fact that she wasn't good. That character wasn't done justice. She's much better in this movie. Oh, good.

Much better in this movie. I like her as an actress, so that's good. Yeah, much better in this movie. Same with, there's a lot of different characters. So I would just say, and David Harbor, like, you know, he's David Harbor, but you get that attachment from the Black Widow movie. Yeah. Yeah, if you haven't seen the Black Widow movies.

It's probably the one thing you should see is the Black Widow. I think that's the most important for this movie. Yeah. I would say between 85 and 87 million opening weekend for domestic. And I think this one could have a good word of mouth. Yeah. Because it doesn't have any competition until, I mean, the only really big release after that is,

like Final Destination 6, and that's a different audience. Yes. So I don't really think, what's the next big May movie? There's a big May movie, like, maybe we're great. Final destination, like you said, and then Mission Impossible. That's the next one. So after, so they've got to, which one, Lilo and Stitch. So they've got to make their money, they've got to make their money by the time those two

movies come out. Then they'll be in the category of, okay, now we're just kind of tacking on a little bit here, tacking on a little bit here. and then you'll be on Disney Plus in about, you know, 50 days. So it's true. I mean, that's what they're going to do anyway with it. And we're going to put it out because you've got Fantastic Four that's going to be right around the corner and they're going to want people to see this before they see

Fantastic Four. So I think they're going to push to Disney Plus, you know, after there's enough time. And plus, they've got to want more of their movies in summer movie theaters. So if it doesn't perform, they're going to yank it quick unless it performs. Great points. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it will perform. I think like you said, like we've seen people.

Like we've seen people who are not part of the normal premiere crew show up and go to see these. And there was a lot of there was like what those 10 towns across the country that had free screenings of the film on the 22nd. And mostly people were responding very positively to it. So this could be one of those like little engine that could type of movies, even though it's part of a larger franchise that where it keeps surprising people at how it has legs and people want to see it. And I think the mental health aspect of it all is going to appeal to people who are not maybe normal Marvel fans and want to see this, this storyline played out in the context of Marvel, which will be interesting. It'll be really interesting. I want to see how I really want to see how Thunderbolt says this weekend.

I'm so, so curious. So we shall see. What do you guys think? You think that Thunderbolts is going, what do you think it's going to make opening weekend? And like I said earlier, any interest in seeing it, are you going to wait for it to stream? Put your thoughts in there. Let me know. Before we jump into your questions, there was a lot of different Star Wars stories over the weekend.

And I think the first one I'm going to talk about is this one with Ian McDermin. And then we'll jump into the Tony Kilroy stuff. But Ian McDermin was talking about the backlash to Palpatine's Rise of Skywalker's Return and the Scrap TV series. This one was made to put my head through a window for a year. Star Wars franchise icon Ian McDermen reflects on the backlash to Palpatine's return in The Rise of Skywalker, share some insights into the George Lucas Prep TV series about the villain. Ian McDermotton has now been playing Emperor Palpatine for 42 years. It was the mysterious big bad of the original Star Wars trilogy,

and then a senator who rises to the ultimate position of power in the galaxy while corrupting Anakin in the prequel's return of the Jedi, killed the emperor, and Revenge of the Sith wrapped up the story on how he became the monster where he first met, the Empire Strikes back, I first met an Empire Strikes back, excuse me. Fans thought that was it for the villain, but the rise of Skywalker brought him back from the dead as a clone. In an interview with variety,

McDermott said it was very satisfying to learn he had a granddaughter in Daisy Ridley's Ray. However, no one explained how the emperor managed to have children. There was never any discussion of that. And it was up to me to work it out in my head. And everyone else. That's right.

They still haven't figured it out. no one has except Darth Vader Veda. Vita wrote it when he was burning. There was a talk in the phantom menace about something called Middachlorians, which were involved somehow in Anakin's birth. George didn't want to go

deeply to that, but we reckoned it was some kind of virgin birth, though. One ought not to say that because God knows you get all the sorts of complications. Then people ask the slightly embarrassing questions about does this even monster ever have sex? We really don't know the answer to that question. either things in tubes you think about probably rather than awful vision you might have in your head of this monster having a sexual relationship with anybody. Reviews for the rise of Skywalker was a positive and fans made it clear that they didn't enjoy how JJ continued Palpatine's story.

The response to his voice being in a teaser trailer had been largely positive. However, the way the villain's return was executed provided largely unsatisfying and left a long list of unanswered questions. The movie's novelization filled in a few of the gaps, but only a small minority had. read that well there's something there's always something isn't there i don't read that stuff and i'm not online so it'll only reach me if someone mentions it i thought there might be a bit of fuss about bringing him back but as i said mine and palpatine's logic was entirely reasonable this man was hardly maimed and thought maybe one day it might happen to him so we we have to have a plan B i hope i love the whole idea that he should come back and even more powerful than he was though this time he

had to be utterly destroyed, so I think he's dead. The trade also put it to the actor that there had been a TV series featuring Palpatine from George Lucas, not Disney Plus. Interesting. Asked if anything from that was shared with him, he said just the story of Darth Plagas the wise. It's fairly obviously that my character murdered Plagis on his road to becoming Palpatine, but beyond that, no. With George, you didn't discuss anything really.

You'd turn up and you shoot. These films take a long time to make, and pressure is intense for many reasons. Of course, George was at the forefront of all that. so he had all of that to think about day by day takes a good deal of trouble over casting but once he's cast he then likes the actors to get on with it the emperor had continued to show up here and there in Star Wars though and her showrunner totally

go away recently confirmed the Palpatine will factor into season two plans to explore Palpatine's or Plague's backstory were seemingly scrapped when the accolite was cancelled that also makes me ill so it's interesting the thing that I take away from is that

Lucas was the one that wanted to do this. Yes. Lucas wanted to do this. And they still, it's, it's infuriating. It's infuriating because, like, if you've read that novel, and I was for the longest time when we were doing far, far away, and Jedi Council, it's all I could talk about. People made a joke about how much I bring up the Darth Plague's novel from James

Losino. And it is the biggest, like, like, mafia story. And I actually interviewed James Lucino and asked him about it. I said, this is kind of, like a mob story. He's like this exactly what it's like. And he were we were talking about that going in depth of his because I loved the book so much. I think we're I think he was on we were talking about um catalyst. Hmm right. And um and we were talking about I brought up plagueus we talked about for quite a bit. And I just always thought what a great way to bring this um book to life. He just

adapted it as a TV show and I look what they're doing with all these different shows, whether it's Percy Jackson or Harry Potter or whatever it is. And they have the written stuff right in front of them. And you just saw a detailed thing like Andrew. Well, you did, I did the whole how detailed season two is what you could do with this. Because you can't do a 80 to a $180 million movie about a villain, a Star Wars villain. Can you make a good one? Of course you can.

Can you make it profitable a $180 million movie about a villain? it's going to be very, very hard to do. So you can damn well make a freaking miniseries out of it on a book that has already worked. Let's just do something completely different. And maybe we'll have Plagueis just peek behind a cave and wave at the end for some reason. And then we won't explore it ever again. Why? Well, because it got canceled.

And it's like, tries to be crazy. Yeah, there's a lot in McDermott's comments. And God love him. Look, you know, Ian is an act. like you know what I'm saying he's not in here in the Star Wars chat rooms and like what's the real reason for this or that it's like look they this is what the story is so I had to come up with a reason for why I would do the things that did and why this child was born and so that's that and you know the ridiculousness of it at some of his responses but that he looks at it from a completely different perspective that would a Star Wars nerd or someone who's really trying to line everything up and whatever like to him it's like look this is what they handed me and this is what I did I I agree with you on the Plagueis thing. That was such a, such a fumble ball at the end of the acolyte

that just is a heartbreaking thing when you look at that story and how much the character. Yeah. He was like, keep it around the corner. There's no one around him. I'd be peep it around a corner.

I agree with you. I charge my fly and back to the future. But I think what, what was interesting in the whole comments is like from my mind, in my head, I go, like if you had a Darth Plagas,

or sorry, Darth, a Palpatine minis series. Yeah. That would be interesting. You know, you say maybe I can't sell a movie, unless probably Darth Vader,

I think you could do 180 million Darth Vader movie that would make a billion dollars it was really good. Right. Vader's a good call. Yeah, but I think with Disney plus,

if you did a Palpatine series and you cast someone who looks like in McDermann a little bit because you're not got to TV. I was thought Tom Hiddleston would have been good, but he might speak a little too mainstream now. Yeah. Yeah, that's a great point.

To see him explore that and the plague of stuff and all that, I think that could be super interesting. Have you read the book, dude? No, I've never read the book. I've got to read you would even do the audio book if you have to but like okay you would you would hear this and you'd be like what are they doing it's right it's they own it it it's right there you you could make that that would be if you could get someone not not him because he's not going to do all this stuff but you can get someone like a Tony Gilroy to show run that thing oh crap holy crap and then and then you get then you'll get the people who said there's not enough lightsabers and stuff and stuff stuff in in and or they'll be quiet because they'll see what you can do with this you just adapt it you can still people will still and that's the problem though and this isn't just the Lucas film in a Disney thing this is a studio

they think that any character that was involved in something that didn't do well means that people don't want to see it right oh oh wait a minute oh wait a minute so Darth Pagas was in the acclade or no one wants to see him that's not true and then in the same way that that they're like, you know, what was the other? There was something else that bombed recently. Oh, I can't remember. Something else bombed. Oh, you want.

Obi-1. When Obi-1 didn't bomb. But what I mean is that Solo had bombed. Right. And Obi-on was supposed to be a movie. And they said, oh, no, no, no, no one wants to see solo movies. Stop doing that. Stop doing that.

No Bobo Fett movies. This recently just happened with, um, with the live action stuff for Disney, right? So wait. Oh, no one wants to see live action. Right. Right. Cancel tangled. Cancel tangled. No one wants to see it anymore. Meanwhile, you get Lion King 1.4 billion Cinderella crush.

Do them right. Do them right. And it has nothing to do with the fact that, oh, nobody wants to see that. Nobody wants to see shit. Right. Nobody wants to see shit. Exactly. But it's like, no, no, no. They follow.

It really is. The studio is the most accurate thing I've ever seen in my life. Yeah, I know the show. Yes, 100%. It's so accurate. It's so accurate, this kind of stuff. But speaking to Tony Gilroy, he talked about a few things.

And he says right up top, and I think this is smart for him to say. And this is very smart for him to say. He explains why Vader and Palpatine don't make an appearance in season two. I think he's very smart for people who are expecting. They're only watching it for that, that you know right away.

It ain't going to have it. And our showrunner, Tony Gilroy, has explained his decision not to include Vader and Palpatine in season two and weighs in on the surprise introduction of Yavin in the three-episode premiere. Wilding writes, the first three episodes of Andor's season two arrived on Disney Plus earlier this week,

expanding on Cassie and Andrew's first year as a rebel and a mission gone awry after he steals a tie fighter from the empire. It's no secret that the series will lead us directly into Rogue one of Star Wars story by the time it ends. We don't expect the show to deliver too many cameos. Andor has never been that type of series. However, with director Orson Krenick making his return and plenty of political intrigue,

could we see Vader and Palpatine? Talking to Rolling Stone and or showrunner Tony Gilroy, confirmed he never considered bringing the former Anakin into the series. He said, no, it was never on my agenda. Writing for Darth Vader is really limiting. I've done it. He doesn't have a lot to say. We're sure not all of you will agree with that, but what of the emperor?

Could we not see him in the Senate? He was too big of piece of meat for me to introduce. It was too heavy a lift. I thought about it at one point, but it was. was too heavy a lift. One of the fascinating things I realized when I started the show in the very beginning is how many billions of beings are in the galaxy. Nobody knows about the Jedi. Nobody knows about the Sith. It's just a tiny percentage of people. Oh my God, I hate that.

My plaques, psoriasis was so bad. I couldn't get my head up. My psoriasis was awful. And my joints start hurting. Always with this site. 12 stories in this just tell me about psoriasis. One of the fascinating things I realized, yeah, yada, it's just a tiny percentage of people that have any notion of it all. It's not in the culture. And I remember being really surprised as it was explained.

The writer and producer was always asked about the surprise introduction of Yavin and the three episodes of Vermeer. He said it's a rebel hideout that certain people know about the way pirates used to have a certain island or something like that. Cassian is a bit like Zelig in that way. He is not that he's invisible or anonymous, but he's. he's in all these places where things happen. And no one had ever done the origin of Gavin. And that's the only thing they really know is that there were these beasts there. They're already in canon.

The beasts are canon. I don't know. It just felt like a cool thing. Why not? The second season of Andor takes place at the horizon of war as war draws near and Cassian becomes a key player in the rebel alliance. Everyone will be tested and the stakes rise. The betrayals, sacrifices, and conflicting agendas will become profound. Ander sets the clockback five years from the event.

of Rogue One to tell the story of the film's hero, Cassie andor and his transformation from a disinterested, cynical, nobody into a rebel hero on his way to an epic destiny. Destiny. So you hear that and you've seen all 12. Yeah. And I saw one of your tweets and you didn't say which episode two. I would say that there is quite a few episodes that people are going to be

just blown away by. There's one particular episode. I think it's going to be a water cooler episode. that everyone's going to be talking about. But I was saying, John, I think, like, this is, there's four arcs total. And I don't know where you stand, but like, I keep saying this when bringing up Andor.

Yeah. My favorite arc is the third arc, which is not this week's, but the third arc. That's my favorite. And then, both the ones that are coming up this week and the last three are tied for me. Like these they're both excellent three something other one but I think that these these next two these next are pretty uh through the third the third arc is the best and then these two are really freaking good and tight the third arc is going to devastate the star wars universe yeah I actually think the fourth arc is a big bit anticlimactic so yeah I was like okay we're gonna go this and look these are the also the shortest episodes of the season those last but it's also not really the finale.

Rogue one is the fan. Well, of course it is. And that's the thing. So you have to look at it with that in context. But in a vacuum of those three episodes, I found those to be the one I ranked the least that I enjoyed. I like this opening three. A lot, I put it in the second slot.

And then these next three coming up, I put in the third slot. And the third three episodes are top. And by miles, by the way. It's an incredible situation. But I like what he did. I like that he kept. Palpatine and Vader out of here. I like that he did what he wanted to do with where he was

going. Yeah. And Palpatine clearly, they're mentioned. Yeah. It's aware. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's very well, like his presence is, is, is felt and then some. Um, but it does show. And I like, but that's the thing with, this is why I, I really have become a massive fan of Tony Gilroy, because he doesn't pretend like he, he's wrong in the fact what he says there about Vader's. Like, well, Vader doesn't really say much. Peter says a lot, actually. Vader can talk about a lot of different things and generally chooses his words at times, but he could have full-on conversations, other things, but talks a lot in the original trilogy. Yeah, sure does.

But he could. He could if he needed him to, but not necessary for Tony Gilroy. But my thing with Tony Gilroy is Tony Gilroy has never pretended to be a major Star Wars fan. He's just a guy that saw some good stories in the content and said, well, let me take a crack at this. and he didn't shy away from, as he said, like what he said about Yavin, when he goes, look, it's Ken, there's stuff in there, and they brought it to me, and he listens.

He's, oh, and there's beasts on there, and no one's ever done the origin or before I can do that. He pays attention what's going to the Lord. He doesn't make up his own stuff, J.J. Abrams, and he does a bunch of different things where he actually pays attention to the collaborators around him. I would much rather a guy like that being in charge and doing, I would have rather him done the whole damn trilogy.

Oh my God, please don't. Of course. I know. I would have loved that. I know. It would have been much better if he would do on the trilogy than anybody else. I know. I know.

The Pew Pugh kids would be upset, but that's a trilogy. That's a trilogy. People don't realize, though, too, is that's the thing. This story that he's telling doesn't call for. I mean, look, there's tons of battles in this thing, too. And people were saying this is something I had curious about it. Where are all the aliens last season? There's tons.

The aliens all over the place in season. They're everywhere. They're everywhere. But there are certain stories that don't call for a lot of the, you know, fantastical things that are happening in the Star Wars universe in this particular one. You know, it's funny because there was a book that came out years ago that's a canon called Battlefront. It was based off the game, but it was Alexander Freed. And it's very similar to Andor Season 2 and how dark it gets and the battle, the, the

the soldier dynamic and all those types of things that are happening and no one that was reading those books no one was ever said this isn't star wars yeah it's you can do a version of it down the line um like this with some of the layered detailed characters that's what i hope we get i hope we get that down the line and not just you know i've mentioned it time time again but it seems like every volume Star Wars show is, what do we need to do now? Well, we have a really good dialogue scene. No, no, no, no, cut that out completely.

Let's make this episode 26 minutes, but it originally was 45. No, no, no, 26 minutes. What about the, do we want to keep the dialogue speeches? No, get rid of that. Put a monster. Put a monster, like a big CGI monster, and then they shoot the monster, and then do they say anything?

One or two lines, like, well, that was a tough fight. And then they can move on. Let's do that, okay? And it's like, that's the same show. over and over it stinks that's why i think i hope one day leslie headland is gets out of that ndae and can actually speak uh and tell her truth about what happened with uh the acolyte because i have a feeling she wanted to make an and or type show and they want they she didn't have the power like tony did to go like buck you'll film my show get out of here and and he didn't have the power she didn't

have the power to do that with them and unfortunately this is what you got with the accolade but I bet there's a much darker show that she wrote and wanted to explore and put out on the screen that would have been a companion with Andor, but in the end, that's not what we got. So, yeah, yeah, I hate what people say it's not their Star Wars. No, I get it if it's not your Star Wars, but don't say it not Star Wars. It's not worth. If you, if you say that after the first three, I'm going to disagree with you. If you say it after the full 12, I'm going to think you're insane. If it's, you say it at the first three, I don't like, I get it.

But when you see the whole thing as a whole and you still? Yeah, yeah. Anyway, what do you guys think? Put your thoughts in there. Let me know about the comments that E. McDurbin made, the ones that Tony Gilroy made. What say you? All right, let's move on to your questions.

John, you're doing pretty good here today, my friend. Starting out, normally, like I said, usually when you start out around like 30, you got a good shot of being in the contender for the week. Right now, you're at 42. Whoa. Pretty damn good. to start.

Nice. Damn good. But before we get to it, you got some stuff going on the channel? What's going on? Oh, yeah, guys. Hey, the Outlaw Nation channel.

Please head on over there, subscribe to the Outlaw Nation channel. We just, we're dropping our spoiler review for the last of us, the episode that dropped last night on HBO Max. That'll be later with the geek buddies.

As Christian did earlier today on his channel, I will also have an out of theater reaction for Thunderbolts when I go see it tonight. But we've got Hot Mike and certainly last week. If you missed Hot Mike with Jeff and I going at it over sinners, that was like a 30-minute battle and debate going back and forth.

And I posted it up on the channel yesterday as a separate video. So please make sure you watch that, no matter what side of the fence you were on. But then we've got Jedi Way reviewing Andor this week as well. Some more geek buddy stuff. And then spill the tequila back tomorrow again, 4 p.m. BT, now a weekly show with me and Winston-A Marshall. I got a feeling we're going to talk about Shador-Sanders situation as well.

So, yeah, a lot stuff happening there. Okay. Outlawation. Check it out, guys. Please go and support John. All right. Let's get to these questions. We got a ton of them.

Yep. And we are going to start here with the first one. Again, thank you guys for, if you didn't know, you just, you put your questions in. You keep John and I on here as long as you want to. And the first one comes in now from our friend, Blake Gilbert. What up, Blake? I gained a new love for the blues watching sinners. Christian and John, what are your favorite blues artists?

Any recommendations? Oh, man. I can't pretend. I like the blues, but I can't pretend that I'm an officianto that I can start. recommending people how about yourself john well i mean i i think you you know which you uh get b b b king is always the number one one that you want to start off with if you want to look at the blues and from there you can look at like robert cray and there are other people you can go through with the blues but look yeah i'm i'm not going to pretend to be some blues savant because there are people who are

great blues uh lovers who will absolutely be guiding you could guide you in a better way uh but there are you know quite a few people that talk about it so you should look online and see some lists and explore some of that music which you can explore on YouTube which will give you an idea of whether you want to buy it or not so yeah there you go um thank you blake for that one for short so a bunch of people chiming in here that i haven't seen in a little bit so that's good shay what's up shay you guys seen black bag now that's my kind of romance movie right there just finished 10 minutes ago i loved it but some people found it boring did you see it's a sylbenberg one right i have not seen that one uh but i know it's coming or it's streaming and I'm going to definitely take a look at that one for sure.

Have you heard good things about it? Yeah, I've heard positive things about it so much so that Trotterberg is pissed that it didn't do better. Yeah, but it's like 93% positive? I know, but that's the whole, but that's the thing though. It's that these guys, because you look at Soderberg, it's just been, you know, he's had so many big hits and the business was so different back when he was doing a lot of sex lines and videotape and like Ocean's 11 and all that. stuff and we used Aaron Brockovich when he did all those movies it's a different different time.

Yeah. There's no world. There's no world where Black Bag makes money in the theater. There's no world. There's just no world. It's too small of a film and it's like and but these guys just don't, you know, they, they just don't want to catch up with the times at this point. It's almost living in denial a little bit, I think.

Yeah, I agree. Sean, what's up, Sean? Happy Monday, Christian. Very good to see you and Lon on with Merle. broken i'm sorry i missed you oh yeah shave your beard what save your beard what what you're going after him for i'm always shit i wanted to shave that beard it's the best rohan ranger thank you man came in um nice i appreciate you uh yeah we're getting a lot of new members we did a lot of new we have we have a q and a we're doing the next the second we do two live streams a month

we're doing the second one tomorrow after the show showman cape christian no need to answer us i'm very curious if sentry slash the void is associated with the void and loki i have no idea oh it's a good there's a good question good question you know i was going to ask you something i was going to um answer something else because i reminded me you're supposed to sam you know who i do my horrible she just had a crazy schedule this week and she just got a little overwhelmed this week and she was supposed to come in today and tomorrow we had actually going to take this week off so we're going to have the final destination movie reviews uh trailers between my my friend Tina take the place. One will come out today and one next week. And I got my Andor reactions tomorrow.

So Sam will be back next week. So I'll post it too for everybody who's wondering, where's the next one will be Shung Chi and then it'll be Eternals. We're doing both of those back to back. So don't worry. We'll be back with those. It'll probably be next week. Just letting everybody know. There you go. Um, Sergio C. The Last of Us episode three was a snooze fest. Show is done. I didn't think it was a snooze fest. That's ridiculous. Yeah, I didn't agree with There's so much that happened in that episode. The advancing of Ellie's character, the questioning that Gail has about Ellie. Well, let me ask you.

Would you follow that up with this? What did you want to happen? Like, without spoiling anything, like, what did you want to happen? Like, because of my head, I'm going, okay, there's, it's episode three, right? Yeah. And is what, is it nine episodes or 12? It's, I think, seven or eight this season. It's not a lot.

All right. So even it's eight. It's episode three. You're not going to go from crazy. thing happening in two, too crazy thing happening. It's not how television works. You got to go to set up, set up. Okay, now those are the stakes.

They set the stakes up. Yeah. It's only seven episodes. It's only seven after seven. Okay. Yeah. So like, I'm not going to disagree with you, Sergio, if there's episodes like this that continue to happen and we're in episode six and this type episode happens in episode six with seven,

then I'll agree with you. But I don't, I don't understand how, like, I don't, like, what did you want to see? I guess that's the follow. Armada. Christian, what do you think of Nicholas Patel and Brandon Roberts score for Andor? I think it's great. And how well do you think it fits into the Star Wars world compared to Kiner and others? Kiner is the best.

Kiner should be, like if Kiner scored every single Star Wars project, I would be happy. I think he's the only person that realizes that it's okay to take some of John Williams' teams and mix them with some of the new themes, and it's okay. Like how there were no John Williams themes at all in the Obi-1 series is that it should be Someone should be put in jail for that. He's doing the score for Dark Wins, which is a series of watching on MC Plath. Yeah, Kevin Kiner.

It is great. Completely different from what he's in. Yeah, and his son is doing stuff now, too. Yeah, he's great. And, but I do think that their score for and or actually fits really well, really well. This season, I loved it. Yeah. Madhouse entertainment.

Well, I'm jokes. What's that, man? Wrestling question. What is the storyline you didn't like at first, but then loved it and vice versa? I think the, some of the bloodlines, stuff because I came into it late. Oh, yeah. You know, it's getting a little, I'm not, I'm saying, who am I, who is I watching that?

I'm like, I'm not on board with yet. I see why people like him, but I'm not bored with him yet. And that's Fatu. I'm not on board yet. Fat too. It's not on board with the, uh, with the Samoan Wolverine, I think. I think I'm on board with, with him as a performer. And I'm a bored with him being as pop.

And I'm bored with how they're using him. And I'm bored with him being. champion. I'm not a board of being like I'm not like in the same way it's different. Like I understand and I respect the undertaker so much. I just never was an undertaker guy. I just never want. I respect him. I think he's one of the most influential guys in wrestling history. I just wasn't an undertaker guy. I'm just not a fat two guy yet. Okay. You know what I mean? So it's like I I understand why he's where why he's where he's where he is. And I think he should be over more so than L.A. Knight and Drew.

get why they have him doing what he's doing again i'll take three quick storylines that i didn't think would get over it got over like uh judgment day i didn't like it got over uh and i like ended up liking it dominic oh my god oh yeah i thought dominic was toast toast toast and the fact that he got over was absolutely amazing the worst one was general manager of raw i liked that initially and then it just became stupid with a terrible end okay um okay apparently there were some of these missing super chats again. I don't know why streamer does this. They do it every single day. And then Luke, you'll give me an update on what we're actually at then. I don't know why it does this. Nathan Drake said, I love the sinners discussion on the hot mic, even though it's sad to see

so many people attacking Jeff and calling him names. That's the internet. That's just what people do. And Jeff courts it, to be honest. That's real. Jeff, Jeff likes to be combative, likes to poke the bear. And so people are going to react. But, you know, it's the game. And Jeff knows it. Mad Sinister McCall says, Beth Snyder. RFK Jr. confirmed a counten three villain. Matt Sinisterner McAllen. Never thought I'd see the day where I agreed with Roka over Jeff.

Sinners is so great, I could show that movie to racist and they wouldn't enjoy it. It's so good. I don't know. Maybe. Carlton Rutter. London Calling and our season two is superb so far. Cerebral, exciting, and very well written. Congratulations, John, to your beloved Liverpool and the premieres.

Yeah. There you go. Champions of England. Suck it. Blake Gilbert coming in hot with a $50, which I think you. I'm obsessed with the music in sinners. I like the blues,

but this movie unlocked a hidden appreciation for it and the artist who created it. Every time I am driving, writing, or working out of the gym, I am listening to the soundtrack. Yeah. It's kind of like, Oh, Brother.

Like all these people rediscovered Bluegrass music and now through Old Brother, and now you've got people discovering blues through Sinners. So I think it's pretty great. It's really solid. Blake follows it up. He says, I saw sinners on an opening day and IMAX 70 millimeter at Irvine Spectrum.

I love this movie. It's an amazing Southern Gothic tale. I love the actors. I love the script, the music, the vibe, everything for me. It's a perfect movie. It's great.

I didn't get a chance to see the hot mic episode, but like, so how long did you guys go at it for? 30 minutes on the centers. Because we went into the controversies to start off with, and then Jeff dropped the bomb within three minutes in where he was like, Well, I have to question the response for some of these critics and review.

I think people are, I think these critics of color and white critics who are afraid to criticize the movie because it's a black director. That's what he said. That's what he said. And I was like, wait a minute. And then we just went into it back and forth. And I said to him, you know, if you accept that as a reasoning, then I have to say whenever you like a Jewish movie, as a Jewish critic, you're clearly biased. And we can't exist in a world where that is the truth because it's not. You know, there are plenty of black critics who've gone after black films.

And they had to Costa's marvels was destroyed by a lot of black critics. So so it was Black Panther 2? It got some negative reviews from black critics. And so it's just, it just. Did he see any of your logic at all or no? So he would occasionally give back with a smile, but then he'd say, no, that's not how I see it at all. So he has his beliefs, you know. I'm going to watch it.

Okay, let's see. Some more here that we missed. Um, Hank Pim. Yeat. Last raw was amazing. Sina and Wharton. Hype. Rusev Day, the whole end segment was great. The man is heel again.

And Baker made her, uh, Vakerna Vaker. Is that it? Baker made her raw debut. And McCurrough. Um, so I loved the ending of raw, by the way.

We haven't talked about it. You hate it? I hated her going heel. What was? Oh, I don't even know what that was. No, I'm not, I'm talking about that. Wait, what is that? Who went here?

Becky. Becky, Oh, Becky, Becky, went heel. Well, the only reason that I didn't mind it was because of what happened at the end. I'd like to see a female join with that crew because they have an opportunity to do what you and I talked about now. Their Bronbreaker coming out was amazing. Come on. Yeah.

It was amazing. I don't think Brabaker should be in a faction. He doesn't need a faction. He is a beast all unto himself. This is what I didn't. Yeah, but he's going to wind up turning on Seth down the line. And he's going to wind up going with Paul Heyman. And that will be, and he's going to be, he'll wind up being champion because of it.

So I think it makes a lot of sense. And I think you build it up, but it would be great if Becky came along and joined Seth inside of this. And they're the awful, despicable, you know, couple. And they're like the new NWO. And then rock, that's, that's, then you, then you get Sina and you have them. all team up. And then the villains that are eventually turn on Sina and who's got to help him out, Cody or whoever else it is down the line. And then you can turn Sina good at the end, but you've got to because right now, who cares if Sina turns good or bad? You're like,

all right, thanks a lot, Beat Orton. You got to give us something to root for him against or for. Let's see. Next one after that. Blake Gilbert, hello, gentlemen. I haven't been on here as much. I've been writing and working on YouTube channel. It's great. I wanted to say, what's up? Blake, you've been so amazing today. I'm glad you, uh, I'm glad you, uh, I'm glad you, uh, I haven't seen you in a bit too, but I'm glad you're working on a YouTube channel. That's absolutely amazing. Mirror domains. Sinners had $90 million budget plus marketing plus theater and it's grossed 161 worldwide. Is it really the box office smash people think of us? Yes. Because it also,

you got to, because this is a smaller budget and it's probably going to have the marketing that it's had so far. What does it make? 300 million so far, world, or how much is it made 190 worldwide? How much did it make worldwide? I think it's 160, but I'm going to take a look. 60 is that what it said? It said 161 worldwide. Yes, 161.

So if you look at, let's say it does another, it does another, I don't know, 40 million next week. So you're going to do 200. Let's say it closes out at 300 million total by the end of its run. All right, 280, 300 million. Yeah, it's tracking on. the fact that it's going to be, it's going to end it's critically acclaimed.

Plus the fact that the actual, how much was the marketing, it's not every movie is $150 million marketing. Smaller budgets have smaller marketing budgets. Yeah. You don't know. That's the thing. People are just guessing from what other people are writing in articles,

but maybe not sourced articles. And so you just don't know. Right. Renetta W. Saw sinners four times already. Three out of the four of these were sold out. I had to see it's doing well for an original. Hoogler for me is a five out of five.

Thank goodness, Fikey didn't ask him to do blade because we wouldn't have gotten sinners. And you probably would have gotten a pretty damn good blade movie, though. Yeah. That's what you would have gotten. But yeah. At some point, it was a question for you. What? How about the whole Sanders situation?

I mean, even Roker was drafted in the fourth round. Hey. That was good. At least I was drafted, a PLD. How does it like being a free agent running around trying to get on this? We wouldn't allow the writers to do it. Wooden leather writers. Shea Mark Ellis,

anyway, go ahead. It's cool to see Tom Cruise supporting sinners. For years now, he's been promoting return to theaters, and now Ryan Cougar has joined the fight also. He follows it up and does one of the coolest things about sinners is seeing Jack O'Connell's name becoming widespread. Been a fan of the guy since he played Cook

and Skins. Yep, Jack O'Connell's great and he's great in the movie. Yeah, he's fantastic. I think it's one of the big reasons why the film is so successful because he is such a good villain within the film as well. Not trying to give a white guy all the credit for people lose their fucking minds. I just mean, he's important for the overall effect of the film. He's great.

He's great in the movie. Really, really good. Shea says, I love Gareth Evans' projects. I can't wait for gangs of London season three, but I'm not craigs about havoc. That gun play really tainted the film for me, three out of five.

Did you see it? Yeah, it was terrible. Terrible? I didn't think it. I enjoyed watching. I enjoyed watching it. The club scene for me, the club scene and the cabin scene alone for me were,

it was because, because but this is what I'm saying to you. If I would have seen this movie in the theater, I probably would have left going. Yeah. I watched it. I watched it in my office. And I'm like, okay, there's some, there's some stuff. There's some grunting and other things that are happening.

It's not a lot of story to it. It's just a, but Louise Guzman is fantastic in the movie. Well, yes, because Louise is always good. Always fantastic. But I don't, you didn't like it? No, I was such an insult to Tom, especially because I'm watching Mobland. And that is such a great Tom Hardy show. To watch this is like a real step down, man.

Yeah. And I love Carol, by the way. I love Gareth. Yeah. Brian O'Neill, the tables that are chairs match on Smackdown was insane. It should have been on WrestleMania. It should have been a WrestleMania. I agree. That was a good match. Yep. It was a good match. I am getting tired of, of, and this is, this is, if someone asked me a wrestling, this is something that always bothers me. And Rob Van Dam was the king of it. There's never a time that Rob Van Dam did his splash and wasn't hurt. Right. Yes.

One time that he did it and he wasn't hurt, every time he did it, oh, and I'm like, every time, I'm like, one time you hit it and you did it and you nailed it. You know, and there's some, like, same thing. Like they did the big thing off of the ladder and then a guy copseller. So he goes, it's like an oversell to me. The oversells, they drive me nuts, but I know it's part of wrestling. I get it. I understand. Sometimes the oversells drive me nuts.

I agree. Yeah. Brian. O'Neill MCMG you need their TNA theme back current one is crap who's that now? I have no Motor City machine guns

I don't even know I don't even know I don't even watch anymore What's a smack now I watched Yeah I watched a little Smackdown But Ross Why is Smackdown three hours now They did that last year I think or earlier this year

Yeah Way too old Shane Markell is it me or did the accountant To feel like an HBO show extended into a feature-length film. John Berthal sold the show for me, another three out of five. I'd give it more than three out of five.

I wouldn't probably go three and a half, three-point-eight. I think that, no, I mean, I guess I could see where you would say that, but, and Berthold did, he's saying Havoc is the same right now as the account to two, three and a five. No, he's saying that's his opinion, but I feel the accountant, too, is a far superior movie than Havoc. I enjoyed watching Havoc, but I'm not going to, the difference is if someone, if you

told me, John, I know you haven't seen an accountant, but if you told me that you thought the accountant too was horrible, I'd want to have more of the discussion of why you thought that because I would highly disagree with you. Sure. I'm not going to fight you on Havoc. You know what I mean? I enjoyed watching scenes on Havoc, but I'm not about to go, what are you talking about? It's a great movie.

It's not. It is, it was, to me, was, was, that club scene was worth the price of admission. Okay. which was you know monthly fee it was a monthly fee right right there great tim sim hey thoughts on the last of us season two episode three in just wondering is someone who played the second game if you thought episode two was something episode three onward to the end of next season would more dark and brutal than you think but but also in my opinion beautiful keep watching all the way oh i will be i i am not on board with that previous commenter who said there was it was boring and

nothing happened i was i was actually very much on board with the episode and I thought that they were, I was like, oh, that's where we're going. There were some things that happened that I saw it were a little dopey that I said, well, wait a minute. Why are they doing that? But that's more of a, I think a writing thing more than a boring thing. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, all in the say is I loved it, you know, because we're going to drop the spoiler review afterwards. I enjoyed the episode. It's a good transition episode. And they said it afterwards in the mini doc they do after every episode that this was the first time they got a chance to like take a breath and mourn a loss in. in the show, which they couldn't do in the video game. So I think it served its purpose in a lot of ways for that

and established Ellie and Dina as a new pair to watch in this show, Ellie essentially replacing the other person that's gone. And so I kind of like that situation, the way it's been laid out. So funny. What's the old man's name in the thing with the guy with the, who's, Seth? Yeah, Seth.

Yeah. I keep calling him Carlisle, the whole show. And the whole audience is just like, how long you call him Carlisle? And I was like for everyone, it was like me looking at the comment, I don't give a shit. I don't care. I'm calling it. It looks like a car. I guess he was one of the other, you know, one of the other guys in the freaking town hall meeting was called.

Oh, yes. Yeah. But I start calling Carlisle. I think I'm going to call him Carlisle for the rest of the season. I think no matter what, I'm going to call him Carlisle. I want to highlight this real quick. Derek Johnson asked where I decided to be a member. Do I got to hit something?

I feel old. Don't feel it. There's a, there's a member button, like, that, is you can sign up to it is also in the link in the description Derek you can sign up but Derek I actually had a question for you um I think and I didn't know how to get in touch with Derek so if you have a it might you can get the email you send something because I have a question for Derek um Nathan Drake enjoying and or what's up with those rebel actors on yavin the farts the absolute farts they're the worst well the acting was pretty bad I agree

they belonged in a different show I agree they believe They belong in, what was it? The Boba Fett series. And the Loireland Season 3. They were terrible. And they almost ruined the show for me. Like, Andor's C's, Andrew's arc in episode 1 and 2 is the worst thing happening in those episodes.

And then once he leaves, Yavin, I don't have any other complaints about the show. But those, it was horrible, those actors, horrible. I mean, I disagree, but I understand. Oh, my God. Really? You like that, you like that whole thing? Because it's supposed to show you that Andor has grown up, that he's more mature.

He can handle situations now. He doesn't, he doesn't fall into that trap of feeling self-feeling. I'm not telling you that I had a problem with the storyline. Well, you just said you didn't, you thought it was the worst storyline of the because of the, the, what happened with the acting and the, and the complaining and the doubt. So let me, let me, let me refer you to that. I did have a problem with the story. I didn't have the, I had a problem with the execution of the storylineers and say.

Okay. The actual idea of what you just said, as far as what they're trying to show. of course, very important. Just the arguing between the two of them and it just like, like you said beforehand, they felt like they were in a different show. You said that. I didn't. I think they felt. You were talking about something else before.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Commentary is about how, you know, people can be caught up in these stupid petty arguments and they missed the big picture, which was the fact that they had a tie fighter, the fact that they caught and or, and then they stupidly, you can shoot who they shoot, who could have helped them off the planet.

And so it's those kinds of things. And he's highlighting what the rebellion was an utter mess when it was starting out. And it had to be put together step by step piece by piece. And that's what's going to be shown throughout the next whole season. So that that sequence to me actually does work. And the bad is on purpose because those people are idiots. So they're going to act bad. They're going to act stupid.

They're going to make mistakes. And they're going to do dumb things. And so it's just to show you that sometimes when you're rebelling against something, getting caught up in petty arguments will make you lose the big picture. And so I think he was making a commentary with that. So it worked for me, but I get it. You know what? It's like so many other characters that made an impact on me and none of them made an impact on me.

I wanted them all to blast each other to smithering. Except the girl. I didn't like the girl. Don't even remember. Don't even remember her. Armada, just saw before the devil knows you're dead. Do you like?

I don't remember it. I think it's the Philip C. more Hoffman Ethan Hawk movie but I have not seen that one either yeah well there he is Derek Johnson hey Derek I'm support thank you Derek Derek Dirk rules yeah I have a question from some of the things that he's at he's said in the past uh support sorry can't hit all those two dollars today don't you dare apologize yeah you're anytime you're in here it's nice to see my friend shan mccabe talk hard yes I saw it posts you know what that's from no that is from pump up the volume which you can see right there oh yeah christin slater film

Yeah, I love that movie. Probably one of the main inspirations I got into podcasting. Shea Markell, I don't know if I'm judged. I want to kick ass three. As long as I, look, I didn't like Wadlow's number two. I'd like to see Vaughn return. Yeah, but I wouldn't mind seeing it. Wouldn't mind seen it.

Yeah. Next one. Are. John, general thoughts on the draft. Jags, oh yeah, you never answered the question about Sanders. and then Jaggs huge paid up for Hunter. Because he was being a prick. That's true.

Sanders, Meadark Fall and Commanders Overall. Thanks for the great show. Yeah, well, your overall thoughts and everything on the draft. I thought the draft went really well. I thought a lot. I don't think any team had a terrible draft.

I think all the teams had either middling or good or great draft. I think that's rare to see in the world of the NFL. You could make particular cases for certain players, but I think the Jags moving out for Travis Hunter was genius. And that's going to help them. Cleveland selecting Dylan Gabor, and Shador Sanders, that makes no sense to me. But maybe they're trying to hedge their bets and find their quarterback of the future.

And they want as many arms in that quarterback room as possible. We will see. But they also did really well on the defensive side. Commanders, very strong draft, very under the radar draft. We picked what we needed to protect our quarterback and to put some more offensive weapons in play. So I think everybody had a really good draft overall. Overall is a good draft. All right.

To the show, I'll rewatch. Big up to John and Christian. Thank you, man. John currently right now, I have the updated number 72, John. Oh, wow, already. Where was this last week? Roxy, damn it.

72 with a half an hour to go. Mike Joyce, thoughts on David Cronerberg, saw his most recent The Shrouds this weekend, didn't even know was out, and thought it was fine. I like his early work a lot more than his last two. I saw the trailer for the shrouds. I didn't see it, though.

I haven't seen it at Cronenberg for a film in years, to be honest with you. So I haven't, yeah, I haven't really enjoyed his product for a very long time. So,

Andrew Fulco, what's up, Andrew? Hey, Christian, after the success of Revenge of the Sith re-released, do you think Disney

will try to make a Vader show or another season of Obi-Won? They're so unpredictable because I don't think they really know what they're doing. And I don't think that,

and I'm telling you, I just don't think that Floney is going to want to make shows like that. He's going to want to make shows like that. He's going to want to to keep making his shows yeah look that's a you can't connect the two they're not correlative like this is a event situation so people went to go see it in the

theater again to show their support for the prequel series and to show and enjoy seeing it in these massive theaters it does not mean or translate to oh people want to see this now they let's do this I think the studio if they did that would be reading the wrong lesson or learning the wrong lesson I agree with you and I think that it's um I don't know. Like I said, it's the thing, the problem is that they're, and you mentioned it earlier, they're not going to bring in and then Flonnie won't bring in people like Tony Gilroy ever again.

Because you can't, you can't tell Tony, Tony Gilroy what to do. Yeah. You just can't. There are other people that they'll be able to tell what to do, make it more than the narrative. And it doesn't go well, they'll get the blame. And, you know what I mean? Like, that's, that's what they've been doing, a lot of these people. So that's what they're going to continue to do.

hopefully hopefully the change is up we'll see i would love to see but like i said every freaking every series or i mean there was a new series that that was rumored i don't know where what i saw it on some site i can't remember what it was i don't remember who it was writer but um i don't even know what it is i would like to see uh instead of the same time period or pheloni and fabro involved i'd like to see something new where it's like something again let's go with another more adult one and see what happens two times in a row um because look i didn't watch skeleton group but i hear great things about it everybody yeah everyone who's enjoyed watching it and said that it was that it was good so um and again that's because they brought in

what's his face um uh not mark webb i was the two of them confused who's uh freaking spider man director what's his name oh john watt yeah yeah no you're right so and when he is he he's i mean he did the old man and everything else too. So you can tell it. Just bring in people who know how to make tell of it. That's what you've got to see. Derek, no political stances here.

Just being honest about what I'm seeing my work and around. For the love of God, conserve money and tighten your budgets. Much worth than a recession. Yeah. That's what I hear. Yeah, that's what I hear. Support from Derek.

Thank you. Derek. Really appreciate that. Shee, I remember when they tried to make me hate John Walker. Kat killed too many people for me to hate him. Walker was just a chill, a little angry fellow. Wyatt Russell's fantastic. He's fantastic.

Greg Greeneer. Saw episode three in theaters and I was hoping to see a few deleted scenes, but I'm not surprised, not in it. My main concern is why I put 28 years later trailer in front of Star Wars? My theater had a lot of little kids in it. Just why. Did they really? Maybe because it's darker.

It's PG-13. Yeah. It's PG-13. Wait. You're saying your theater had a lot of little kids in it, to watch a burnt charred up body scream on the edge of the lake of lava there at Mustafa, and you're saying that 20 days later is too much or 28 years later is too much? I don't understand.

But I mean, there are a lot of kids that, I mean, it depends. It chokes Padme. He forced chokes Padme. That's, but it's like this. Oh, oh. So it's not, it's not. It's not. The burning of, of, um,

an akin is the most disturbing thing that is absolutely the most that's the most akin to the you know that episode 20 years later trailer is that oh that's almost like marion coatt yard in dark night rises um but yeah i i don't know it's that would be that would be tough depending on how old the kids were too but it is pg 13 you know that's that depends so like when you're saying there's a lot of kids in there and kids aren't supposed to like what kind of kids are you talking about 13 because they ain't supposed to be in there Or a lot of, yeah, that's right. Derek Johnson, do we ever find out what the asteris is in the Thunderbolts movie? I'm not saying nothing. Why would he tell you, Derek? I'm not saying nothing. Chey Markell, how cool is that?

Love, death, and robots keeps getting new seasons. I love that streaming gives us success to, access to projects that might not have been made. That is, that's what I mean. Sure. That's what I mean. There's just like there's, it, for people who say streaming killed media, I think in a lot of ways, it saved it, to be completely honest with you. Yeah.

Now, people saying that it killed the theater business, I think it changed the theater business dramatically. But there's a lot of people who say the streaming is the worst thing never happened to. I happen to disagree. They're like, you don't even understand the amount of eyes that people get on their smaller movies today is 15 times what they would have gotten when they had little theater runs.

They might have got more prestige out of it. And, but, but yeah. Uh, Derek, you're probably doing. complete reset of the world something like DC's Infinite Crisis where they combine everything into one world but we got X-Men Fantastic Four Avengers now Blade's blade got a but or put on hold but it ain't happen anymore Derek yet I forgot Derek hasn't been around for a little bit talked about this the other day so right now they got X-Men fantastic for

Avengers that's a three-course meal that they can really handle that I think that they can because like I said X-Men's not coming in until after the reset probably yeah yeah yeah it is so it's fantastic four Avengers and then the X-Men will come in after that yeah right um okay so let's see I think right now you're close to 80 I'll get an update I'll get an update in a second here uh E Roberts do you feel the hate for the prequels was higher than the sequels I do because most of the hate for the sequels has to do with politics wokeness hate and hating on the sequels for monies and money and views well but that's that well then you I think you just kind of answered

your question though I think that do you feel is that the hate for the the prequels was higher than the sequels. You said you do, because most of the hate for the sequels has to do a politics, wokeness, hate, and hating on the sequels. But that's a lot of hate. And I think there's way more hate for the second wave more so. If you're asking what got more shit, I still think it's the second because of the power of the internet.

I think that the internet was still around, obviously, in 2005, but the social media presence has been so much more vocal. I think that the sequel trilogy got way more hate. What do you think, John? But he's saying, do you feel the hate for the prequels was higher? than the sequels. Yeah. The prequels.

So you think the hate were higher for the prequels or for the sequel? I think I think sequels. Yeah, well he's saying the prequels. He's saying the prequels, but he's saying the reason is because the second is because the revokeness hate and hate, but that's hate.

So it's getting. That's a fair point. That's a fair point. Yeah, I think the hate for the prequels, people want to brush that over. It was legitimate criticism. You want to call it hate, but it was legitimate criticism.

Some of the, a lot of the prequels doesn't work. I know that a lot of you want to excuse some of the stuff and gloss over some of the stuff, but there's a lot of logic in the prequels. It does not work. George was making just changes just like JJ and Ryan Johnson and JJ did again

when they were doing the sequel trilogy. So I think a majority of hate for both of those trilogies comes from story issues, character issues. But yes, there is wokeness. There is all of that for this current sequel trilogy. So I would agree with you, I guess, because the sequel trilogy is not something I would ever watch,

but I would consider rewatching the prequel trilogy. Well, I told you. I saw somebody notice it in the, or say it in the comments. They're like, well, you used to hate on the prequals. I didn't, I wasn't a fan of them. I wasn't a fan of them for a very long time. And I've told this story a million times over.

Maybe you just kind of tuned in recently, and that's totally fun. I was watching these, I was watching them again, and I told John this and Kellin's many people. I think it was, it must have been, I don't know, it must have maybe even,

either 99, 99, 2019 or 2020. I was watching the prequels with, well, she was my, now she was seven or eight at the time, I have a 13 year old. And we were watching the prequels. And I remember watching the prequels with her and going, okay, I'll watch episode one, you know, whatever. I've always saw three was the best out of them, but I was, I remember watching the first one and with her. And the opening scene happened. I look down and look at her and her eyes are like super wide like watching it in like amazement. And I'm like, oh, I get it. I start watching a little bit more through her eyes and the way that it was the way that it was intended. And I started watching it more like trying to watch it like her.

And I understood more so of what they were going for in general. Plus when you couple it with the with the Clone Wars animated show, which George Lucas was heavily involved in. I think it's a good companion piece over. all and and and and elevates them so that's that's why i've found a kind of newer love for the prequel yeah i've never yeah you know you just i don't like you just i don't like them and yeah because there's so many issues with it that just i get it i don't i don't know if i would have discovered that how to have kids so maybe that would i don't i don't discount anybody like you want to make that really clear if you like it knock yourself i respect that it's just not for me

Shea says this weekend I'm going to watch both Thunderbolts and the amazing movie where Kilmonger is dating both B-15 and Kate Bishop. Are you watching again, Shea? All right, Armada. From hearing Jeff's criticism of sinners, part of me thinks that he's grading the movie from how everyone else liked it more than he did. He gets that way sometimes, though, doesn't he? I called him out on it. I said, you read a lot of critics who didn't like the movie, who you respect, and you thought, well, that's what the movies, because he claimed

that a lot of people like the movie were going in, either to already give Ryan Johnson Abasor or already made up their minds to like the movie. And I was like, well, you were just as biased in the other direction. I think you can see that. And it was, oh, that's not true. And so I was nervous too.

And I walked in the movie. I feel like I've seen the movie already. Yeah, yeah. I was like, oh, man. I'm like, I hope this is good. And I didn't give a shit that I saw the trailer afterwards. Yeah. Absolutely.

Right. Didn't even ruin anything. Yeah, I agree. No. Absolutely love it. Okay. Armada. Also, if the chosen TV show can put out episode chunks in a theater, why can't

and or put out sums of three episodes in a theater? I don't think, I don't, because I don't think it's made for theater. I think it's made for television. I mean, there's a, there's a argument to be made because, I mean, Dr. Who puts out their stuff sometimes in the theater is like the Christmas specials and what I would argue you could, but it wouldn't be like a fathom event like one night. It wouldn't be something that they would have consistently in the theaters for like weeks or whatever. So you could do a one night thing, I think wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility.

Sure. Armada. Why is it Ralph Macho and more movies and TV shows? I think he's got a shot. He's got a limit of what he? What did you say? He says a good actor who is selective. He knows his limits like you just said.

It's like 60-something years old, though, too. you know it's like true yeah so it's you know he's still it's god bless him when he's trying to do the karate and stuff but you can tell he's he's a 60 year old man you know doing he's doing i'm looking forward to um to the new one i want to see what they do with that movie yeah yeah she apparently the working title for sinners was operation grilled cheese cougar likened to making a quick meal that's also really enjoyable is that true no i don't know what that means they can't be true such a day you never know it's she yeah um but of amazing Cool cash CG.

Hey Christian, just a quick question for Thunderbolts. Do you feel like after seeing it, people should do home, should have to have homework in order to enjoy the film? It depends, right? Like I said, do I think that you miss anything from not seeing Falcon and Winter Soldier? I think you'll get a little, I don't think you'll have as much of an attachment to Wyatt Russell, right? If you don't see Black Widow, though, I think that is more like,

you don't have to see Hawkeye. She's in Hawkeye also, but it's not necessary. I think you got to see Black Widow. I think you have to. And I look, and I don't think it's a great movie. I think it's fine. I just watched it again last week. I think it's fine. Um, and maybe even a little below the lower than fine, to be honest. Um, but it's, but it's, but it is, it is pretty, uh, important for the story. Yeah. Black Widow falls apart at the end, but everything leading up to it I liked. But yeah, I mean, Well, the relationship stuff is good. The acting is good, but it's like you said, the overall villain and everything else. I'm like, I'm so fresh on just seeing it last week. We just put the reaction on it.

But it's like there's just not, a lot of the stuff that the villains and the, but what's really happening behind, the family stuff works good. Yeah, that's what it works, but what they're all doing in the red room and all that shit. Yeah.

Mr. I crap and shits. Hello. Love how you guys went with my suggestion of Steph getting snapped. Love Winston's laugh on. Friday with it. Hope you have a great weekend. Do you know what we're talking about here? Not at all. Not at all. Are you sure? You should have gone for the head. Just use the woman. And then you say, oh, and then, oh, how did that just happen?

How did that just happen? Am I going crazy? Wow. Isn't that great? Wow. That's good. And a snap out of resistance. Okay, let's see. Crap and shits. Thank you. I'm glad you had the suggestion because now it's a bit on the show.

All right, Nathan Drake, is Gilroy a fan of the Jedi force side of Star Wars? I don't think he's a fan of Star Wars in general. I think he's just a fan of telling good story. So I think if it works, it works. Yeah. Do you agree with that, Joe? Yes, I would agree with that. I think if he, here's what I would say it.

I would clarify it like this. If the Force works for his story, I don't think he has a problem using it. But if it doesn't, I don't think he has a problem not using it. So that's how I would say. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Next one.

Andy Kumar, whatever happened to Bobby Finstock. He's not a golf course somewhere. Yeah, or a film set. Handout walkie-talkies. Probably both. Probably both.

Probably supposed to be on the set, doing, and then right afterwards going to the golf course. Yes. 100%. Derek Johnson, saying something controversial, GOT, is big ton of trash.

You're telling me all that West Virginia reproducing you can get runway model princes and princesses. They all look like, trolls trash there I said it do you understand what's going on here I don't know what GOT is saying something controversial GOT is a big ton of trash game of Thrones you're telling me game of Thrones oh he's saying because they're saying something controversial game of Thrones is a big ton of trash you're telling me that all

Westrose reproducing and you get runway that's okay he's in West Virginia I think he's probably voice texting okay I guess gross that's for joking I got saying something controversial here game of Thrones is a big ton of trash. You're telling me that all of Westrose reproducing it. You get runway model princess and princesses. They all look like trolls trashed. There are a lot. I mean, look at Joffrey.

I mean, he's not that he's up. Yeah, and there are a lot of people that marry into those families from other families. So it's not in breeding the whole time. Yeah. Yeah. No. Just 87 right now. Hey, thank you guys. Euraca. Julius Wyatt.

John, Dan said in his stream history that he would do Cineophiles. I don't know what movie you guys would do but I hope that happens. I love the show. I did not see that. That sounds great. You know, it's always a commitment now. Our show is two hours each episode and we sometimes take three parts to finish a movie. So it would be nice to have Dan committed

to it. I'd love to have Dan on the show. Great. Derek also follows it up. I watched the debate, John, I got to tell Jeff. Jason Whitlock is the worst name check to gauge how the overall black community is receiving anything. I love the show, but that one even had my head shaking. Yeah, I know. I shot him down on that one too. Jason Whitlock.

is not someone you want to reference when it comes to movie opinions. Salem King or Selim King. Pay extra on IMAX or Thunderbolts or the movie theater Notches. I always say IMAX, especially because I'm trying to eat better. Though the nachos will make my body pain in a different way. Yeah, I'm telling you, if you can see anything in IMAX, you go to IMAX. Yes, great, agreed. Sinners saw an IMAX.

Oh, did I? Or is it the sound? I did. I remember. Maybe it was IMAX. Uh, go pal, support. No questions coming to mind yet. Go pal, you rule.

Thank you so much. Always glad to see you, my man. All right, Cupcake Bliss. As someone who played the games, I didn't like the changes that was made in yesterday's episode. I hope Tommy gets angry. Um, I have to see. I don't know what the changes were. I'm curious what the changes were.

I have to talk to somebody who played the game. Yeah. Yeah. Um, okay. Next one here. And that is Dat Boy 22 and or season two after season three. After three episodes. Oh, wait.

Andrew season 2 after three episodes or last of us season 2 of the three episodes. I would say Andor after those three episodes. I would say, I would say Andrew. I think, look, I think episode two of Last of Us is the one that you talk about for everything. Does that mean it's a better, it's hard for me to judge. But it's also hard for me to judge because I've seen all of Andor. So I'm thinking in my head, I'm going, yeah, but I know where this goes. So, but the first three, I mean, I didn't love, like I said,

I didn't love this stuff that happened on, yeah, but I love the end. of that arc loved it yeah I'd have to say maybe and or yeah yeah because I mean the first episode I thought was a little yeah yeah yeah I would say I'd say and or but but yeah not by much not very much but but that changes I mean it'll I I I remember at one point I remember saying and it changed but I remember saying episode four was my favorite episode of andor I don't I I'm pretty sure um Motorola and a coworker of mine was one screening later missing Hayden and Jackson coming out to the L-Cap last night. Oh, poor guy.

That sucks. That sucks. That must have been fun. E. Roberts. Thunderbolts will make more than Fantastic Four. No way. Eric Roberts, or Eric Roberts, E. Roberts, do me, first of all, it's Eric. I want to meet your sister, too, if it's not.

E. Roberts, I will tell you this. There is no world. There is no world where Fantastic Four. will make less the money of Thunderbolts. I will, wherever you meet or you want to send, you send DoorDash to me, I'll send DoorDash to you.

Whatever it is, there is no world that Thunderbolts makes more money about that's where. Anyway, Thunderbolts is going to make more. Imagine if Eric Roberts was sitting by, like, getting pissed off about the fact that we said that.

That's my runaway. Because it's not getting the woke attack as much as fantastic four. Like Barbie success, that is what counts. No, it's not what it counts. It's a matter of the,

you guys, I'm telling you. This is where I realize that everybody lives in this bubble. Yeah, yeah. If you're following this bubble of entertainment, then you're consumed by what people are, oh, well, wait a minute, they're saying this and they're saying this. This must mean that. It means jack shit in the general audience. It means jack shit.

It does it. Fantastic 4 is a more recognizable brand. E. Roberts, I will, there's, John, would you touch this bet with me? I'd be on your side, though. Yeah. I would be, I would, if anybody, if this was you, do you know what I would tell you right now if you made this with me i was i will bet you a thousand dollars right now i will put up a thousand dollars with no with no hesitation that there's no world that thunderbol's makes more money than

fantastic no way yeah it doesn't seem like it i got to see it tonight but it doesn't seem like it no way it's it's also coming out may second as opposed to the height of summer when everybody's off from school it's true good point jc mighty 2023 almost died from covid and you guys entertain me throughout three-month hospital us uh being in the hospital wow Paul of Roca, eternally grateful. Support forever. Thank you, that's very, very nice to you.

I'm glad you made it through, my man. I'm very much, Jesus. John crushing today. Derek Johnson, Jack, as the vampire was everything you want, he was charismatic, he was terrifying,

he was smooth, violent. It was a superb performance. It really was. I agree. He put that in there twice. Thank you. And he follows this up. It said, came in twice.

Just considerate support. Yeah. Do I. Hey, guys. Is there any way Marvel fans are going to accept Downey Doom that doesn't somehow have a multiverse connection to Tony Stark. This is such a cliche answer, John.

It depends on the writing. Yeah, 100% depends on the writing and the execution. You know, how are you going to make it work? Because a lot of people have their eyes raised and their arms folded. How are you going to make it work that seems exciting and interesting? Right. Stephanie Litts, how about those Timberwolves? I would love it.

Timberlitz. Nick's looking good. Nick's looking good. You know what they look good? else, please. But I'm just saying they look good this week. Come on. They got lucky off a non-call when Josh Hart was, come on, man.

That should have been a call. I don't know. John just won't know what happened is John. Let's see. In addition to Bebe, Freddie King, going down is excellent. Also hear good things about Aber King. I also really like cream your birds and miles. I think Go-Pow is AI.

He knows everything. Yeah, it might be AI. He knows everything. Yeah. I love, I love Gobelle. Shea. I'll chalk my ranking up to fast typing. Havoc was actually a two out of five from me. Okay. Don't kill me, but yeah, I'm not very moved by a count in two. Yeah, but you're giving it a point higher than having.

So there you go. Zeus Fleming. I just got out of class. I wanted to sense is important. I'll watch later. Thank you, Zeus. Yeah, we're on Apple podcast. We're on Spotify. We'll be on the replay later. And then Luke updated the link for the Clips channel. We have right now, I think this is a little over 8,000, this is a little over 8,000, subscribers over there trying to get to 10,000.

If you want to watch the clips for this show, you'll be able to do it. Make sure you check that out. And then we had just, we brought on a new, we brought on a new person to do shorts for us. So you're going to start seeing more shorts from the show daily on my personal account and on the show's socials as well too.

So there you go. Armada, haven't seen a count two yet, but worried from the tone in the trailer, makes it look more lighthearted than the first. Does the tone switch work? It does. It feels like it's part of the same movie.

there's a little bit more humor because of the two of them but it feels more like a lethal weapon type thing more than it well and i say that in a lethal weapon one or two where there's serious shit going on with some humor around it too yeah yeah yeah yeah um okay also christian thoughts on jeff saying he's not a critic no i have no i have no problem with i don't consider myself a critic i consider myself someone who reviews but i consider myself someone who reviews movies i think there's a significant difference i think they're both trying to play this outsider bull crap and i'm not letting I think there's reviewers. I'm not saying outsider. I'm not saying outsider. I'm very aware that I'm part of the critics' screenings and things of that nature. But I think there's a definition of what a critic is. I think Alonzo Doraldi is a professional movie critic. I think William Bibiani is a critic.

I don't think that I am a critic. I don't think Jeff Snyder is. I don't care. Either of you think you're not critics. You're both critics. Jeff gets so much traction on his website for his review. you get so many views on your reviews. That's a critic.

You have multiple people watching your stuff to just lie. So by the age-old conversation that everybody's a critic, that would, that you would agree with that? No, because not everybody could get hundreds of thousands of views. That's not the whole. That's the metric?

That's the metric. That's the metric. It is. By that. Okay, wait a minute. So let's say William Bibiani writes a very detailed article and no one reads it. Like six people read it. No.

He's not. Beniani constantly wrote detailed articles and no one read it, he's not a critic. That's the thing. He can write criticism. It doesn't be, but even if it's for, let's say it's for, let's say that he goes and he's hired from the rap, right?

He's already a critic at the rap, though. I know he is, but I'm saying, let's say they hired him, but let's say that they hired him for a year. But if you've got, you saw his metrics,

seven people per article were reading that. No one was reading his articles. He's not a critic. But he was already a critic. It's different. If you talk with William Bibiani off the street. This argument is flawed. Yeah, no.

No, no, your logic is flawed. No sense. You guys want to keep your outsider crap. That's not such a critics. Flawed. Zach Roberts. Christian, happy Monday.

Can I get a mustard? Hell, you get a mustard. Because it's the original mustard, the OG mustard. Master! Hell yeah. It's exactly right.

Okay. Next one here. The Real Red. Can you explain the deal Cougler got compared to a normal one? I didn't really understand all that what was going on. Did you see that big article? Yeah, it's just the rights to sinners revert back to him in 25 years. And maybe four or five directors have ever gotten a deal for a movie like that. They haven't like universally got it.

Twin Tarantino, one of the first people would have a deal like that because he had like that, he had a deal like that for Weinstein. So when he moved over to another studio, they had to give him that same deal. Yeah, that's the situation. And he got a deal where he's getting paid before the film gets paid. profit. So that's a part of it as well. Not all directors get to attach. Yeah, exactly. I am just like him. How much taller is Christian? You're like, what are you? How tall are you? I'm 5.10. Okay, so I'm six feet. So not by that much. Yeah. Yeah. Go pal. Also,

lead belly, Robert Johnson, Sunhouse. Yeah. What are you go, pal. Sure, we're going out. We're going on a lot of good names here. Derek Johnson became a new member. Hey, good. Good job. Hey, Derek. Hell yeah. Good. You got to be part of the live chats that we do. We're doing, and we're doing the live stream tomorrow, Derek. Nathan Stone, have you guys heard anything about killer clowns? Is that the one that the Ryan Gossling one that he's producing? Yeah, that's all I've heard is Ryan is doing it. You just heard that he's producing it.

DUI Champ, after the success of the Batman, Penguin, Daredevil, and or Sinners, are these shows not evidence of what the majority of the fan base is looking for? Why keep going goofy? I think that there is some call for some goofy because you could make the argument of look at Deadpool and Wolverine, which made 1.2, and there's a lot of goofy shit going on in that

movie, right? So there is a call for both, but I think that going away from some of the serious stuff because, oh, people don't want serious. I really think that we do. There's a lot of, and there's a lot of goofy and Daredevil, and his name is Gandalfini. And I hated that character. Oh, I didn't mind being that goofy.

I don't get a wall for you. I didn't mind. I didn't think you want. I love them. Juvian McCool. Dude, we were going to see Star Wars Revenge of the States, but the lady and I wanted to see sinners again, so effing good. Yeah.

I mean, if you, well, if you're watching it again, that says something. There's a lot of repeat viewing. for sure Jake honestly I love the Asoka show fair enough I'm very invested in balen's character and throng yes there are moments of silly logic but overall I had me excited it was that's one of those shows that when I watched it the first time I was like okay yes fine and then the more I kind of I thought about it and went back and watched a little bit I said the writing is is pretty terrible yeah the writing's terrible droopy McCool Anakin kills kids great yeah I know I know so why are you worried about 20

years later when you've got Anakin killing kids and being burnt to death. Almost. Droopy McCool. The prequel suck. I love them, but come on. Come on, Droopy. George shouldn't have directed them.

I don't disagree with that. So many boring static shots, especially in Revenge of Seth. Phantom Menace looks beautiful, but it's a tough watch. I do think that I would have loved to seen, again, something like those stories that George was maybe one of the best,

if not the best storyteller of all time. It's not a good screenwriter. And very similar. It could be said about Dave Filoni. I think Dave Filoni is a very good storyteller. He's something he's a good writer. Like the fact that he's writing Asoka Season 2, that scares me. He's writing the whole thing.

And he's sitting around and he's acting like he's Jack Kerouac. You know, he's like stuff that he's saying. He's like, well, I'm sitting and I'm watching. I'm reading. I'm doing all this stuff. And it's like, what are you going to say? Ghost Stormtroopers again? Like we did in the last one, whatever those things were.

DUI champ. I would argue Jabba chaining Laya down, forcing her into a metal swimsuit and running his ugly, yucky tongue up her skin. was infinitely more shocking than episode three of Andor. Episode three, I mean, maybe. Oh, oh, you're saying with the thing that happened. Oh, I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. You know what it was? It was the fact that she used the word. He's talking about what happened to Adri Arjona. That's more shocking than what happened to Adjor Jonah? That is not. But he's just making a point that people are, but people who are losing their minds or whatever.

I see where he's going with it. He's seeing in the fact that like there's a lot of crazy, like there's a lot of disturbing shit that went down in he's not wrong. I don't know if it's more disturbing to it because, again, I think it's the fact that what everyone's all up in arms with is the fact that she used the word. I don't have an issue with it at all.

But a lot, that's what people have. If it was, I don't think if she would have used the word, wouldn't have used the word. I don't think you would have seen as much of a thing about it on the internet. I disagree. I think people want to find something to crap on and or about because they need views on their channels and they created, they fabricated that nonsense and to be upset about

that somehow the empire would draw the line and sexual assault. We're going to kill billions of men, women, and children indiscriminately. We're going to enslave millions of people to do our job, and we're going to... Palpatine was doing it. Apparently Palpatine was doing it too, how we had, how we had right. Yeah, exactly. So it's just such nonsense. Just such nonsense. Zeus Fleming, don't you think it's possible that you done that near love sequels, too? I think he missed something in there. Do you think it's possible? Do you think it's possible? possible that I could find that love for the sequel

student? No, I just don't think that they're good movies. It's a difference. So I could watch it through my daughter's eyes and go, yes, stinks. Yeah, the First Awakens is great, but I told you that movie got worse for me. You know why? Why? Because when I saw that movie originally, John, I said the same thing you did it. I said,

this is a really good movie. The problem is afterwards. I know where it goes. It was nowhere. Oh, fair. But you don't have feel that about the Matrix, do you? The Matrix is great. Irregardless. The Matrix can really serve as a standalone movie yeah that's a fair point this movie cannot that's what it was created as a trilogy that's a fair point yeah Stephanie let's uh she gave me new you remember thank you stephan

nice um chrome ragu hey all i just started watching sons of anarchy i loved that have either one have you seen it love the content john and christian thinking you know i've never watched that show here it's great though neither a by no you i'm surprised you've never seen it i don't gravitate to biker gang stuff it's not really my jam yeah i i i'm surprised strawberry blonde milk john and Christian on a Cinefiles from Belfast. We've talked about it. The problem is it's just a matter of scheduling. Yeah.

I don't think Christian has time to do it. It's so much of a community. Jake, are you looking forward to the mall animated show? I love Sam Whitmer, especially when he's talking about the character and it means to him. I'm excited is not the word. I'm curious because I'm glad that they're evolving Sam more, and I'm glad he's a producer on it, and I know that he'll put his passion into it, and I'm curious to what he's doing. I'm not excited about it because it's the same damn time period.

It's the same characters again. We'll see Darth Mall again. it's like it's like it's like one more time and if it wasn't saying what we're doing it I'd be like i don't know why are we saying that why are we doing the same thing clone wars bad batch you know uh bounty hunters in the same thing and it's like explore a different era um but it's the same wetware aspect that i'm going okay let's let's see what you got how about you john yeah i i was initially not that excited but i mean mall is a phenomenal character so it could be fun could tell some really good stories but like you

said we've seen so much from this time period already like why can't we people talk about we've gone from the Skywalker time period how long have we been in the Clone Wars time period like don't we want to move on from that especially animation you can tell so many stories of animation it's like it's like every world is Filoni's world than animation like let's move on from the same freaking era and new animation do some new styles of animation yeah I'd hit you up on Twitter but I got rid of it what's the best way to contact you to go there's an email contact list um

uh right up when you go to the home page Derek just go to the just shoot me over an email and um or or now you're a member shoot or shoot a suit a message over to um when you're yeah pldd should get in contact with you too um Dennis hoppin cougar told Shannon sharp that they coded the movie grilled cheese as a response the all-encompassing scale of a marble production smaller and quicker but just a satisfying great interview oh did they talk they i'm sure they didn't talk recently no i don't think they've uh derrick johnson no i meant west virginia not westrose john knows what i meant to the fellow virginia not west virginia yeah but i'm not going to make that kind of judgment on west virginia

because i think that's a stereotype and i'm sure you don't appreciate trading in stereotypes so you know i've met many wonderful people from west virginia who were not inbred who were not ugly and all of that so yeah andrew gavulka hey christian saw revenge of the sister over the weekend was wondering what do you think would have happened if open one went to fight palpatine and yoda fought an i think obi could have won um i don't know if obi could have won i don't know i don't think obi was a stronger sword fighter than uh than yoda yoda did pretty good yeah that's that fight is so great and it's so goofy at the same time yeah it's it's it's it's it's the palpithin's doing some crazy shit in that fight he's like hey hey it's hilarious

um zeus fleming what are both your favorite childhood memories about WWWE. My dad used to take me to Madison Square Garden and NASA Coliseum all the time. So I remember tons of moments on that one. And I remember seeing the warrior beat Andre a Giant in like eight seconds at NASA. I guess seeing Hogan, although I'd hate him now, but when I saw Hogan when I was a kid, being at the Capitol Center and getting a shirt and the bandana wear around my head, that was an awesome experience being there, doing it live it was so much fun yeah hang tight chang at 105 so we're gonna finish him we're gonna finish them up i gotta be like crazy i know i know but you you got but you're

winning the week right now so you got it you got it you got to hold it for a second i personally didn't care about the trailer but a lot of parents were mad i would say kids around 10 at youngest yeah but again pg 13 movie chris you know so that's that's that would be my argument if i own the theater send me the parents numbers i'll talk to you know that's but that's what i you know if it was pg movie another story tray porter it's true sinners working title was called grill cheese it's areas. Zeus Fleming. Thoughts on Anthony Bourdain's new cartoon coming up based in his comic. Gagirro? I don't know. I didn't know about it. I don't know anything about it, but interesting. It's still, I mean, his legacy lives on, you know.

Emmanuel, I enjoy these streams a lot. Thank you. Been listening to you guys since 2010 when I started college. Reminds me of the top 10 show in Shmo's No Days. Well, there you go. That's for nice. Yeah. That's old school. It's amazing how long ago that was. I know. Same way I think Fantastic Four is going to make the same way I think that Fantastic for it is going to make more money than Thunderbolts too. I bet Doomsday is going to come out either next July or

Christmas than May. That's the bet I wouldn't take. A lot of people are speculating it's going to get pushed. It's just impossible in one year with the special effects and visual effects. No way. Unless you're going to AI the whole damn movie. Hey, Monica. Monica R says, I saw a count in two

on Thursday. Notice many in Star Wars shirts for Revenge of the Sith. They didn't grow up with those movies. Watch episodes 1 and 2 in Disney Plus. I'm going to see three. tonight. That's pretty fun. That's pretty fun that you can do that. I love that. I love that, you know, the fact that you're seeing one and two and then going to see three in the theater. That's pretty

special. That's cool. That's what I told you. Disney Club, keeping it alive. I'm just saying. Any streaming service would have kept it a lot. Brooklyn, support for a couple of basketball busting. All bustling. I know, but I said basketball bussings as a basketball. East, East Coast

guys. Thank you, Brooklyn. Appreciate. What's with the sweat? What is the Is that what is? I don't know what that is. I don't know. E. Roberts. Yes, I will take about $100.

Sure, but you're going to pay me? Are you going to disappear into the wind? He should, you know what? You guys should pay you the $100 now. Send you the money. And then if you win, you send him the money back. Because you're the more truck. I'll tell you what.

I'll do that, Eric. Put a hundred bucks in there right now. And I'll give it back to you. If, and then I'll give it back to you and then give you an extra hundred. if you went. Yeah, you go. Steph, Degostini. Hell yeah.

Hey, guys, Hope Century is given justice as a character. He can go to toe to toe to toe with Hulk and Thor would give him more to do the next two of Inger's thoughts. I don't want to speak on it. Yeah. I don't want to speak on it yet. I let John talk about it, you know, when he sees it. But when does the embargo for the review dropped?

Do you remember? Good question. You all look that up? Is there a more question? Yeah, there's a couple more. Sorry. Motor Roland. I have got a returning Elyde Dragnevis or Bronson Reed for Haman Stable at some point.

Okay. Hmm. Bronson Reed or Elya Dragonoff? Elia Dragonov would make sense. Him and Braun Breaker on the same crew is scary. I don't know about Bronson, though. Bronson's too injured. You don't think Becky?

I don't know. Maybe. They didn't bring any of the women into the bloodline, Naomi or Nia Jack. So I don't know why they'd bring her. Jake, Mon Mothma, I'm not sure what you're saying. Luton, how nice for you. I don't think why, but that might be my favorite line. It was a pretty great line.

A lot of people are signing that line. Go, pal. I think he's talking about all the Targaryen breeding leading to Amelia Clark with the West Virginia. Yeah, he clarified it earlier. Yeah, but yes. Okay, let's see. Almost done here.

John, we got Sean McCabe. Hey. Broca, I'm keeping the beer. Unless you fly out here to Queens and pick up the razor. We can film it at Christians. You have a favorite place? Good. It's real great.

John, John's shaving the faces of listeners. I'll do it as the Hallelujah plays in the background. Chris, you showed John Steph's hands. I would, we're running out of time right now, but I'll show it. It was a bit. There's something that happened last week, and it was amazing. Just can't, do I have it on here? I don't think I have it here right now, but I'll show it to on the next show.

Okay. That we do together. All right. Jake, we've got three different styles of animation, at least with visions, so many varieties of great animation season. It really looks awesome. I agree, but here's the problem. Conveniently enough, guess what visions isn't? Can't.

Yeah. Yeah. So, but yes, it should be, it absolutely should be. Buster Barnes. Christian, any more interviews with the Superman cast coming up before the movie? Also, what MCU movie would you compare Thunderbolts to quality-wise? I mean, I could reach out and try to get Grillo again, but I, um, I might have an end with some of the cast, but I'm going, I'm actually interviewing,

um, uh, Lewis Pullman for, um, Thunderbol's. Oh, nice. Yeah. Yacavetta, who is this other Jake? I better investigate. You have to. Let us know.

There was only one that I knew. This area, and here he is. Other Jake here. By the way, we're not all from State Farm, but I do wear khaki sometime. And with that we close out here, John, I think he's at 108. Nice. 108. Oh, eight.

Fantastic. There you go. So John, we did it. You've got a good start here. Thank you. On a Monday. What are you got going on today? I retroactively win the last seven days, right? Because Roxy had her 82 within the last seven days.

So thank you. 109, actually. So we'll see. 109. Thank you guys so much. Oh, yeah. Today, I just dropped at 2 o'clock. It was scheduled to drop at 2 o'clock.

Thought we'd be done by them. But the review, spoiler review for the last of us last night, is that with me and Shannon McCleum. breaking things down there for the geek buddies. I will have my out of the theater reaction, Thunderbolts tonight. The review embargo is tomorrow, brother. The 29th, tomorrow at

9 a.m. so I'll probably have a review up tomorrow as well. And then all the stuff going on here with the hot mic, geek buddies, spill the tequila tomorrow night at 4 p.m. P.P.L.L.L.E. Live on the channel and all of the stuff coming out like Jedi Way reactions and reviews. Outlaw Nation. Help me get

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