The Kristian Harloff Show - SONY still planning a SINISTER SIX MOVIE? With Spider-Man? | Mark Paul Gosselaar Interview!

Episode Date: October 16, 2024

There has been rumors of a Spiderman universe movie The Sinister Six for many years now. A new rumor heats up that Sony still wants to do it. Good idea? More details on Nolan's new movie. Venom tracking at 70M. Mark Paul Gosselaar has been on our televisions for over 30+ years. He has an amazing career that stretches many different types of roles. He plays a dark sinister character in NBC's Found. We discuss that show, his role as Zack Morris in Saved By The Bell. We talk reboot, who won between him and Slater and jujitsu in general. Join us on today's episode of The Kristian Harloff show! #sony #spiderman #movies #comic #found #nbc #interview #MPG #zackmorris #savedbythebell  OUR SPONSORS: PERFECT JEAN:  Podcast Description,  F*%k your khakis and get The Perfect Jean 15% off with the code BIGTHING at http://www.theperfectjean.nyc/BIGTHING #theperfectjeanpod If you are looking to take your game to the next level, visit http://www.TRYJOYMODE.COM and use code BIGHTHING at checkout for 20 percent off. That's T-R-Y-J-O-Y-M-O-D-E.com and use code BIGTHING  for 20 percent off your first order. MANDO: Control Body Odor ANYWHERE with @shop.mando and get $5 off off your Starter Pack (that's over 40% off) with promo code BIGTHING at http://www.shopmando.com! #mandopod 

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doom. There are a couple people. Might have been somebody from Krypton that said, why would you leave with a clickbait story, guys? Next week, Downey, confirmed as doom. Does that necessarily mean that this is going to be confirmed? No, but it's something that's happening. And we are going to discuss whether or not it's a good plan. It's been something that's been talked about for a long time in the same way that the Channing Tatum thing was talked about for a bit with Gambit and then didn't come to be, but came to be in one iteration, I guess. So is Sony actually going forward with this?

If so, would it be Garfield? Is it a good play? Is it a good plan? And will the son of Krypton realize what the definition of clickbait actually is? We'll find that out. What we will also be able to find out is how much of a saved by the Bell fan that I was when I was a kid. A lot of you guys were. Mark Paul Gossler has been around for a bitman.

He's been very successful. He's in the second season of a show called Found on NBC. I had a chance to speak with him for a good while. It's a really great conversation. We talk about, yes, saved by the bell. We talk about Found. We talk about Jiu-Jitsu. We talk about tons of stuff.

And I'm excited for you guys to see it. All right. You got 12 questions. I've got 12 questions. Look at that. Can I beat Roxy? And Brett? Maybe.

We'll see. Nonetheless, I already know that good old Luke is going to have to trim off the beginning of this video. Why? Because I was talking to the camera thinking that I was on the air, and I wasn't. But now I am. So let's get into it, man. It is the Christian Harlov show here today with me. Let's do it. Welcome back to the show, ladies and gentlemen. It is our Wednesday episode, as I said, when I have an opportunity to talk to some great people. I'm going to put it on this Wednesday episode, and I got one of those great people today. Mark Paul Gossler will be here.

So there's a lot of things to discuss. We're going to talk about this rumor that was out there that Sony Pictures are still planning this Sinister 6 movie. Is it true? Should it be true? Who will return? We'll get into that and more. Not only run Apple Podcasts from Spotify

and all that stuff. Last night, I did an out of the theater reaction for Smile 2. I just did a full reaction of Smile 1 with my friend Tina. It's really good. I'm hoping you guys will check it out. I don't do horror movies often. And so when I do them, I hope you guys will check them out. So I really liked the first smile.

I thought it was very creative. I thought I liked the kind of low budget feel, which is a compliment for it. The, it was very gritty, different, scary, creepy. The second one, the review embargoes has since lifted so I can talk about it. It's, I love Naomi Scott. I think she's great. And I think she's really good in this movie. They clearly up the budget on this one.

the overall feel, they go grander with the lore. And I kind of wish that they didn't. There's some really good moments in it, and it's entertaining for the most part. It repeats a lot of the same things. It's not as original as the first one, obviously. And I think that there are some things that they take some big swings. And I didn't, as where some people didn't like the ending of the first smile. I love the first end of the ending.

I don't love the ending on this one. too many and it's the spoilers, too many questions of me going, wait a minute, that kind of goes against the lore and how's that going to work? They're clearly trying to set up more stuff moving forward. And I thought that there were sometimes that I was like, oh, they're just kind of repeating that device. There's one scene, I'll just say with dancers, that's ridiculous. But there's some really great, there's a scene in a car that is creepy as hell. It's not as creepy as the first movie. The first one is super creepy. This one's a little bit more, I don't want Goofy's not the right word, but it's more, it's just bigger.

It's more grandiose, if you will. So I think horror fans will really dig it, though, because I think they're mixed, they're trying to get this to be a franchise, and they're going to do, oh, well, smile, the first smile was this, smile two was this, smile three was when they went and they did this, and then four was this one. It looks like they're going big. And I hope it does well because I do like to see new things. It's not tired.

It's just different than the first one, yet some predictable things that already happened in the first one, if that makes sense. But Naomi Scott is great in the role. She plays this kind of pop singer that gets the monster, and then you take it from there. You can put it together. If you saw the first one, you can put it together of kind of what happens.

And then there's, you know, a couple deceiving tricks. We'll say that. that is what I got for you. That's it. So let's get into this first story. Let's get into the rumor. Sony Pictures is still planning a Sinister 6 movie. That's the rumor.

That's right. Despite diminishing box office returns, Sony is still said to be developing a movie focusing on Spider-Man's most fearsome foes, the Sinister 6. Now, Sony has been trying to get a Sinister Six movie off the ground for years. And the closest that the project came to making it to the screen was when Drew Goddard

was attached to write and direct a spin-off of the now-defunct The Amazing Spider-Man franchise. Goddard had all actually completed his script before the movie was scrapped, and the story would reportedly have focused on a group of villains, most likely Rhino, Harry Osborne's Greenland Goblin, along with new takes on vulture, Doc Doc, Doc, Mysterio, and Craven the Hunter. They're all doing battle with Andrew Garfield's web crawler before. ultimately finding redemption. Garfield spoke about his involvement back in 2021 with Collider. He said, I don't know how close it got, but I definitely had a few meetings,

and it was really exciting. I've got to say because I love Drew so much and I love Cabot in the woods and the other stuff he's made. We just got on like a house on fire. I loved his vision. He's so unique and odd and off-kilter and unconventional and his creative choices, so that was definitely a fun couple of months. But life, it would have been cool.

Maybe one day he'll get to do it, but it would have. would have been cool. Of course, a lot has changed since then, and even though the MCU has a new Spider-Man, Tom Holland, Sony still has its SSU movies. The Venom films may have been a success, but Morbius Madame Webb were far from it, and there's a chance that Venom, the Last Dance, and Craven, the Hunter, underperforming, could signal the end of the franchise. Even so, Scooper, my time to shine a low, believes that the studio is forging ahead with the new Sinister 6 movie. The previous movies have dropped a few hints that Sony was still interested in putting a villainous team together.

Michael Keaton's vultures showing up in Morbius Lambasted Post Credits, for example, but it was assured that the idea would have been shelved at, sorry, it was assumed that the idea would have been shelved at this stage. Garfield did reprise his Peter Parker role for Spider-Man No Way Home,

and it's said to be locked in for at least two more MCU appearances, so perhaps Goddard's original concept with a very different team could be revisited. What do you think? Yadiana yanna. Okay, so I see that where this could be, again, a conversation

very similar to what we had the other day when it came to the Batman thing. You can see the conversations with the execs. Like, okay, look, we got our way and they're going to put Garfield and McGuire in the next Spider-Man. They didn't want to do it. They wanted to make it more grounded.

But we got them to do it. They're going to put them in there and that builds it up. And instead of dropping the ball like we did last time and didn't do a movie with Andrew, let's do it now. And we had that sinister six thing. Let's just do that. We got all the villains.

We got everything we can do. We'll do a big grand movie afterwards and he'll be popular again after that movie comes out. And then here we go. Terrible idea. Because that's what they're going to try to do. And then they're not going to have the storytelling. This to me is the idea, as we were mentioning yesterday, which some people still didn't pick up on what the idea of actually a cash crab is. People sometimes incorrectly say, everything's a cash crab.

That is so silly. Not everything is a cash crab. If you say that, you don't understand what the meaning of a cash grab, but it is. Everything is intended to make money, especially big budget movies. They're intended to make money. Everything should be intended to make money. That's not cash grab. Cash grab is when you're exploiting an idea, when you are just doing it because you think, well, it can put money in it.

It can put money. We'll try to make it good, but it's just going to make money because they love it. Go, go, go, go, throw it. Just get some money. Money, money. We need money. But what about, I think that these Sony movies have been cast. cash grabs because they're just trying to build off of what they have these they have the property

and then they're going to try to just make money off of it without any real like Madam Webb to me cash grab so this could fall into that however if they still do this Drew Goddard script and maybe they got a shot to do something special with it because Drew Godd is very talented. Maybe they can even try to bring them back to do it. I don't know. Things have changed a lot since then. But then again, it could just be something of like them just almost what they did with the DC EU when they just said, oh, we need to get to the Avengers fast in the way that way it's a part of DCU of Avengers. No. What I mean is the DC when they saw what Marvel was doing with their properties leading to the Avengers.

They said, we need to have our Avengers. We got to have our Avengers. Quick, Batman v. Superman. Do it, quick. But we just have Man of Steel. No, no, no, Batman be Superman. Do it, quick. What do you do it?

Build. So I still don't understand. They could have just done Spider-Man 4 with Toby, and they could have done The Amazing Spider-Man 3 with Andrew. And I don't know the legality of it. I don't know. Maybe Marvel says you can't do that.

I don't know. I'm not sure. Because I don't want to say Madam Webb. I don't like saying it. It's Madame. She's Madame Webb. Oh, that damn web. Madame.

That's why I say it like that. Madame Webb. Zoloft. I was my favorite. Some of the other day. Oh, you say, L'Aloft. Yep. That's what I do in this show.

You want total professional. You are watching the wrong show. Someone heard fart noises yesterday during Roxy's thing. You've tuned. into the right show. I don't believe in staying mature. I think it poisons the soul. And if you're looking for that here,

you have found the wrong show. Understand that. Live in it. You just want someone that's just going to report movie news. There's tons of places like that. That ain't here. We talked about Puck from MTV yesterday.

That's the show you've stumbled into. You're going to get stuff here. You're going to get mispronunciations all the time. it happens and it'll continue to happen. So there you go. Madame Webb coming in hot on the cash grab. So do I think that this is actually going to happen?

I don't know. I don't know if it's going to happen. I'm not sure. It doesn't seem likely, to be honest. Do I think the conversation happen? Yeah, I do. I think the conversation happened. I think they're just thinking,

they're crossing their fingers and hoping. something's going to happen. But we'll see. What do you guys think? You think this is going to happen? Do you think it is possible? Very curious to see what you think here. Today was a busy day thus far.

Alien Romulus is a movie that I saw. And my friend Sam had never seen it before. So if you watch the Deadpool and Wolverine reaction or any of the Deadpool reactions or Logan reaction, you know who Sam is now. Sam had never seen, you know, I mean, I think she said she saw aliens when she was younger, but didn't remember. So we watched Alien Romulus, and it's a really good reaction. So that's going to go up. That'll probably go up on Tuesday, because Tina and I, who just did the reaction for Smile 1, we're going to do The Wild Robot, which will probably come out on Fridays.

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it's the reboot, mixed-ish. He was in NYPD Blue, Franklin and Bash, pitch. And he is now approaching season two on NBC, Peacock, in a very different role in Found, where he's playing the maniacal sir, if you will. Mark Paul Gosler joins me. Mark Paul, how are you, my friend? I'm doing all right. I call you Christian, right?

Not Kristen. No, Christian, please. They had listed on my email. I knew that I was doing this podcast with you, but then I said Kristen. And I was like, oh, shit. It's the K. Now it's the K. The K always throws everybody off, man, all the time.

I get it. I get. It's a amount of phone calls I get when people are always, you know, they're called. Like, hey, can I speak to Mrs. Kristen Harlow? If I go, doesn't exist, but we'll deal with it. Listen, you could have a double first name like me. And people have to ask you, should I call you Mark? Should I call you Paul?

Is it Mark Paul? Right. And then there's this like every job I've ever gone to and found is no different. People say we were told not to call you Mark, that you would get really upset if people called you Mark. And I said, who told you that? They go no production. And so we, you know, we just, we would always call you Mark Paul.

And I appreciate that. Mark Paul is my name. Like I go by MP. Okay. But, you know, I wouldn't get upset if somebody says Mark. You know, like, I'm sure you don't get upset when people call you Kristen. No, well, Kristen, I don't know about upset, but I'm going to say that when people say, when people say Chris and I go, well, we'll go for it today. But you know, people call me, they call me Chris.

And I, and I don't, like, my childhood friends and my family call me Chris. But my wife, she's like, no, you don't anybody call you Chris. Is it just not my name? But it's like, yeah, same thing. I'm not going to get upset. I'm not going to say anything. necessarily, but so. But here's the thing.

Like if somebody calls you Chris, you know it's somebody who doesn't really know you. Mostly, unless those kids, unless those people I grew up with, people I grew up with call me Chris. Like when I got back to New York, everybody was calling me Chris.

But, but yeah, but back when I was in, when I was at L.A., no one called me Chris. It was all Christian. Yeah. It's just funny.

It's like if somebody calls me, Mark, I realize we don't have a relationship that I, you know, we're not going to probably have another conversation after this one, right? It's like,

you just call me Mark, and I realize that you, don't like we're unless we become friends and then you'll realize I oh it's Mark Paul it's and right but I don't ever get upset like the fact that somebody would get upset about you calling you're like my son's name is Michael people if they call Mike he just goes on it's it's Michael it's well it's funny you say that because the same same thing like I had was when I was talking to someone and I think that said I was called him Jason he's like now just call me just call me Jay just

Jay don't know no one calls me Jason and it's like okay and that's it you just tell people preferences and there's no reason to get upset about it. But so Mark Paul, happy to have you on the on the show man. And it's a it's a pleasure to you able to speak to you. And when it comes to this showman, let's just die right into found because it's a very different role for you. And the idea when I was watching it, I did, I almost got like from what Chanel Hampton is doing, it's almost like a mix in the first season anyway of like Dexter meets silence of the lambs in the way that she is having to do this thing that is not morally right. She's doing it for the right reason. She's also gone through this trauma to where

she, this, the person who kid after her, she has a chance to use him to get what she wants and be helpful. What was it about this role that you said, no, this is something a little different. And I want to kind of dive into this and really sink my teeth into it. You know, I think back to when I had the conversation with our showrunner, NK. And we discussed, you know, there's always a handful of pilots every year, scripts. They're out there for pilot season that people want to be a part of. And this was one of those. The word on this was this is a great elevated procedural with a twist.

You know what it was until I got the script. And I read it. And I was like, oh, that's a pretty darn good twist. And then I had the conversation with the showrunner. and it felt very limited. Like I'd just come off a mixedish, you know, where I was the father of Tracy Ellis Ross's character, Rainbow. And I was looking to do a drama.

I don't ever go into the season going on, like a comedy or a drama, but I was like, oh, I've done a comedy now for two years. I feel like doing a drama. And this felt very limited because you have the procedural aspect of it. And then you also have this character component. Sure.

And I thought, oh, this would be fun. It's not going to be too taxing of his schedule. And it'll be fun to work with Shannola. I was familiar with her work, and I really wanted to work for Warner Brothers. There's a lot of great components that all came into play. And then you just kind of put your trust in the showrunner, and you're like, well, you know, whatever you got for me,

I'm down for. And I felt as as the season progressed, We started wanting to peel the onion more and more on Sir and the relationship that he has with Gabrielle, played by Shnola. And now we're in season two, and it's even more so. But I never would have thought that we would get to the point we are right now, season two, after our initial conversation that I had with MK. And that's the thing with television, is that sometimes,

well, most of the time, unlike a film, have the beginning, middle, and end. On television, you could start in the middle, which is where found started, and you're just along for the ride. And sometimes I'm aware of a characteristic of the character, at the same time, the audience would figure it out. You know, I mean, you get a script and you realize, oh, my gosh. There's more backstory.

Now I have a brother, and you're like, oh, okay, great. I didn't even have any of that when we've, first initially started. Well, I wonder if, you know, I warn people, spoilers if they haven't seen season one because I want to dive into what's going on and two is that for a lot of season one, you're a prisoner and you're helping out and then two, you're on the run. You've got a chance. And I'm sure there's two levels of fun in the, where in the first season, you've got to almost,

like I said, you know, to play this Hannibal Lecter type or role of kind of helping get into the psyche of sir saying this is the things that she should be. looking out for and then really playing to the essence of what he has this kind of really odd bond that he's got with her that he believes he's got with her and now he's got to get on the run and almost I mean we're only two episodes in so far this what I've seen of season two and and it's like this kind of weird cat and mouse thing he's already doing but he's messing with her yet still he says to her there's a lot people they'd be dead if I wanted him dead I'm just kind of I'm doing my thing so what is the comparison for

preparing for Sir in season one as to where he is now on the run, season two, and what he's doing now. Yeah, I mean, really, there's nothing that I had to prepare. Everything's on the page. I feel for me as just more challenging. I knew what my boundaries were last year. I knew that I was in the basement,

and then we would go back into his backstory, and so the backstory took place in a farmhouse or the school. So for me, I would just come in and go, oh, I'm in the basement today, are, I'm in the farmhouse, and now I'm on location. I'm in all, I'm in everybody's lives on the show. And so it just, for me, it's a little more work. I know that Shannola would laugh at that statement,

given that she's in every single scene. And she's there for, you know, we film each episode in eight days. She's there pretty much seven and a half days out of the episode. I'm there a total of, you know, two maybe. So, but, so, you know, my, my workload has been expanded, but it's nowhere near what the rest of the cast is doing because they're doing the procedural side of the show.

And we have this other component, and I'm on that side. It's funny, and the first season of the show, I never met the other actors. I, you know, sort of saw their names on call sheets. but I really never had to connect with anyone. And this year, a lot more connecting between all of us. And then I just actually directed the last episode, episode 217, so 17 out of the 22 that we... Oh, wow.

So let's go back to that then. So how does that... Is that something that you say that you're interested in doing? You make that clear, you know, when you're negotiating, whatever it is, or something else? Yes, to all that. Okay. That makes sense. You definitely throw it out there.

I've directed, my last directing was saved by the bell to reboot. Yeah. Peacock. That was a comedy, that was a half hour comedy. Directed things for Steven Botchco when I, on a show that I actually wasn't even on. Franklin and Bash was my first thing that I directed. I enjoy directing.

I'm enjoying doing Found, though. I'm really enjoying working on Found as an actor. I really enjoyed directing the episode, but I feel that there's sometimes projects that you're like, I want to direct because I'm not being challenged enough. I need something more to push myself. And unfound, I'm still being pushed so much by this character that I was thankful to direct, but it wasn't something that I did because I was bored. Well, you've done a lot of comedies, obviously.

you've done you've obviously had your fair share in drama also but when comedies have been something that you are very good at you've been able to get that time you said your last thing that you did you directed was comedy but you know when you mention that how much fun you're having on or i should say that you're really enjoying working on found you got to go to a dark place to play sir i mean you really you really do and it's from what he's done who he is like how do you kind of tap into that and it's and you know this is a question a lot of people i guess get sometimes Some people take it home with them. Some people don't. Is it hard not to take it home? Like, what goes into the psyche of, sir, for you? Yeah, it's funny. I wouldn't say that I live in a dark place, but I'm definitely glass half empty. I'm pretty cynical in certain things.

People who know me well, you know, there's a darkness there, but a fun darkness. I mean, I think dark can be. It's a serious darkness as they call you, Mark. Yeah, exactly. But yeah, I think dark can be, dark can be. Dark can be good sometimes. It keeps me honest. But, you know, obviously I'm not as dark as Sirr.

I had a harder time playing Paul, God, what was his last name? Paul Johnson, Paul Jackson. Gosh, it's so funny how quickly we forget. But my character on Mixish, I actually had a harder time playing that role, that comedy than I do on other things. No, there's definitely a challenge of playing Sir, but generally speaking, I can connect more to dramas than I can with comedies. But serves on a whole other level. I mean, it really is.

We get these scripts and I just look at it and I go, man, we have some sick individuals on our writing staff. Right, right. You know, they point the finger at me and go, oh, you're playing this really twisted character. I'm like, yeah, I didn't write this. Right, right. Somebody else is sitting in a room that wrote this stuff. I'm just, I'm interpreting what they, what this person wrote. Yeah.

And there's some darkness over there. But it's, it's, it's, it's, it's definitely fun. I'm really having a good time on, on, on, on this show. And, and, and, uh, being able to wash it off. Yeah, there's, there's been times, uh, we film the show in Atlanta. Okay. It takes place in D.C., but we film in Atlanta. I live in California.

and like Shinola, we basically go back every weekend. I sometimes go back during the week of them not working, and we go back to our family. I have two younger kids that I go back for. My two older ones are already in college, and they could care less about me. You know how it goes. I have a teenager, so she's already getting that way.

Totally. Yeah. Yeah. So it's good times, man. Good times. You know, it's all that hard work that you do for them. But anyway, so I go back. and forth and it's a four-hour flight. And I use that time to decompress and wash my thoughts out

and really use that time to prepare myself for going and walking through that door's dad. I've worked on other projects that aren't as dark but are just as intense. And sometimes I'll come home and my wife will say, that's not the guy that I married. I want the guy that I married. Yeah, because it's tough because you're in a different person's mind. all the time. Yeah. I just want to say, though, to all the, my wife's friends who said after the first episode of the second season, it must be hard to sleep next to sir.

You're not helping my college. 100%. I'm like, why would you say that? My wife's not in the industry. She's never been in the industry. You know, she doesn't want to be in the industry. It's what I fell in love with her. I can relate.

I can relate. I can relate. Yeah. It is hard because I, you know, my beard, she doesn't really appreciate the beard. I don't even appreciate it. It's a thing for the character. Right. The fact that it goes gray and sometimes it's groomed and sometimes it's not.

And, you know, in that first episode, I mean, I had grown it out. Yeah. Yeah. And all her friends are like, what, what's, is Mark Paul letting himself go and all this stuff? And so all this character is in helping. my, you know, my intimacy with my wife. It's keeping the bills. It's keeping the bills played. Well, that's what I say. I said, you know, all of our friends, listen, we're doing okay

right now. So leave me alone. Yeah, it's, you know what's the other thing is, I was going to talk to you about how kind of the business has changed with streaming and stuff too, but I'll get, I'll get to that in a second because one of the things I beforehand, so I know you're, I know that you're in jujitsu, been doing jiu-jitsu for a while, and I, and I've seen you on some of the UFC shows. I produce, and a very good friend of mine is Matt Sarah. Oh, yeah. And so I was talking to Matt yesterday and I told him you were coming on. And he was like he said, well, tell him if he's in Long Island. He's got to place the train at my, at my place. So, but the reason I bring up

Jitsu is because when you're talking about all that being on the plane, trying to settle, I'm sure that from what you've done in with Jiu-Jitsu in that mindset, you got to get the, you know, making sure you're balanced, making sure that you have the right mindset going in there. How much has jihitsu has you been doing it for a while now? So has that, does that, does you find yourself being able to pull some of the stuff that you've learned in training to be able to, you know, okay, settle for a second, breathe, you know, those types of things. I don't know that I consciously do that. But yeah, being calm under pressure and learning to just accept what's happening to you. And in sometimes a really unfortunate situation.

You know, in Jujitsu, if you're on bottom or something like that, you're being pressured to be able to find a place where you can breathe and think your way out of it without panicking. I don't know that I'm conscious about that. I've always sort of had that quality of not panicking and just trying to be conscious and present in a situation. But I will say that jujitsu is a great outlet for me because during that four-hour flight, I'm probably watching every single video I can on jiu-jitsu on the plane on YouTube.

You know, I'm studying the sport. It's my, it's become, I get that way about a lot of things. I've become very obsessive about things. And right now, I made a conscious decision. I've been doing it for a long time. and I got to a point where I was just a blue belt for like eight years. Yeah. And I was a white belt for, for, you know, a handful of years as well.

And I made a conscious decision. Put all your effort, all of your time into your work, your family, all that stuff. And then your activity is going to be jiu-jitsu. And so I stopped playing golf. I stopped cycling. I used to be a competitive cyclist. And I stopped all these things. and really my my if I wasn't doing your podcast honestly right now I'd be at class no I feel bad

I go to a noon class I try to you know I I structure my day with with with the activity you know it's like if I if I can get all my stuff done I go to a noon class if there's something at noon and I'll try to go to a nine o'clock class you know I the one class I won't go to is the one later in the day because that's absolute family family time and you know it's really important for us to sit down for dinner and the kids have baseball and softball. They do that. But when I go to Atlanta too, I have a guy out there. There's, yeah, there's been a good two dozen times that I've gone to Atlanta and trained out there with guys.

If I have a day off for some odd reason where I didn't fly home, I'll go and train. Yes. I mean, that's, listen, every single person. Matt has been getting on me to do it. I'm like, I just, I'm just worried. I'm just worried for me. I hurt my back pedal of parking. I'm going to go in and run around do a jihitsu.

But he really wants me to go in there. And to him, Dana White, they all said, and listen, I've heard you. I've heard Mary Lopez talking about the fact that how it's kind of, it's just, it's a different lifestyle once you really get into it. And I think that I'm supposed to go. There's Wednesdays and Saturdays classes that he wants me to go and check out. And I'm going to probably go on Saturdays. But it's just like every single person to hear you, to hear the way that you're talking about it is not foreign to me because every person that talks about it is just like, as you said, it's in your,

it's in your mind, you're studying it. It's almost like a, it's almost like a religion almost to where it's like this, this feeling. It is definitely an obsession. Yeah. What is it? What is you fall in love about it? What, what is it in general? You know, you hear it always. It's like, it's chess. It's like, yeah, with a tiger, you know, it's like, I don't know. I, I, I, I'm not at the point yet where it's chess. I mean, I understand that. Like, I make a move, you make a move, I can bait you to make moves. I get it. I get that, the comparison. For me, I like things that are super technical. I like things that humble you. It's a sport, not unlike golf where you just never feel you've mastered it. Even my master, Nelson Montero here in San Diego, he's a, he has a

red and black belt you know i mean he's like a high level uh uh practitioner of the sport i mean and he'll even say i don't know everything you know it's i love things like that i think it's i think it's um a great representation of life um and uh you know you have to life isn't it isn't always up and it's not always down and you just have to find that that that point where you you you can survive yeah and um And sometimes you're on top and sometimes you're on the bottom. I mean, that's basically jiu-jitsu, right? And I just find it fascinating. I find the people who do it fascinating.

I have some, I've made some really good friends on the mats. And we've become friends off the mat. And it's just, I don't know. I don't know what it is. You're right, it's like a religion. I mean, it really is like a weird thing. I mean, I, I, it's funny, if I can't sleep, because I'm thinking of something, I think of Jiu-Jitsu.

And I think of, I just visualize myself. Yes, Christian, I visualize myself rolling with men. Hey, that's part of it. That's part of it. Listen, it is, it, I'm telling you, like I said, it's not foreign to me to hear you say this, because this is what everyone who's really locked into, it says, what was the motivation for you to say, well, first, what was the motivation for you that you wanted to try it?

And then, like, how did you, I wasn't sure. Did is that something Mario did first you did is nothing included? I mean I don't know if you guys did it together No Mario Mario is a grappler right like he was a high level wrestler in high school and So I got into I don't know when he got into jiu-jitsu, but I got into it in 2008 or nine Okay I was a fan of UFC I still a fan but I was you know when when UFC came out and you would see some of the the Jiu-jitsu guys you know do their thing and was like like, whoa, what is that?

I got into boxing because, and Mario was always a boxer. He was always definitely boxing well before me, but I got into boxing around 2002 because my character on NYPD Blue was a boxer. And so they sent me to go train at wildcar boxing, which is where Mario was training as well. And so I learned how to box. And then I just, I kind of just fell out of the sport of boxing. I became a fan of it and I just fell out. I don't know why and a guy that was a

a transpo. He was on the transportation department for one of my projects. He was he had a jiu-jitsu school and he just basically said same thing like you like with with Matt Sarah you know you should come out to a class and try it and I didn't it didn't hook me right away. I did it and then I trained at Big John McCarthy. Oh yeah yeah his Academy out in LA and I was there for a while and I took some time off and trained all over the place wherever I was living and then kind of got back into it I think in 2016 2016 2017 I just got really heavy into it and that's right a conscious decision let's go let's let's you put so much time into this let's let's let's go for the belts and and um and for you

that's yeah because I very similar I was a big boxing fan when I was a kid I watched boxing all the time my dad and watching you know Leonard and haggler and hernes and and I remember watching Tyson lose against Douglas and we just were like all those days like that was the big and I don't ever remember back on say by the bell you guys used to talk about Tyson I remember that all uh I'm in all that stuff but I remember like boxing to me I remember going I I lived in New York for a while I went to st. Pete for a little bit with my dad and I I remember going and watching like the pay-per-views, but it was 2005 when the Ultimate Fighter was going on that, because I'd watched the 93 stuff when it started, and they had everybody, you know, it was like the Kuma Tech. But it was 2005 when they really, it was like,

no, no, no, it was Rogan. Because I was a comedy store guy. So Rogan was, I remember him talking about, it's the next sport. It's the, I've been doing this for a while, but this thing's going to blow up. And I remember watching one night, and I just was like, oh, they're actually,

it's like, if I think you should, said you fell out of box, you don't know why. The reason for me is because it's so disorganized. It's like there's WBC, I, B, F, IBA, all these different things. And it's like, there's one organization in UFC. And you can see the jih Tjitsu guys, the wrestlers, you see everybody and you know. And it became more of like, because when Liddell was the champ, it was like, okay, here's a striker.

And he's just going to throw his hands. But eventually you couldn't do that. You had to learn it all. And you get someone like a John Jones, who was like the ultimate machine, a GSP. Um, and you watch that and it becomes it's very, hearing you talk about it, I can understand why, because it is like the ultimate mental sport and being able, it is chess, as you say, you know, it really is like all of that. Well, you know, for me, I, I think I remember why I fell out of boxing.

Boxing is a judge sport. Mm-hmm. It comes down to a decision every once in a while. It doesn't always come down to a, you know, a knockout. And I feel like with UFC, it's less about the decision. not always but it became you know there was a definitive like winner right and with jiu jiu jitsu because i watch it all the time i'll go on flow sports or you know it's like Craig jones just had a invitational and 80cc is going on um yes there's a point system but man

there's a definite winner like you you never go oh man that guy should have won i mean they're very sometimes you're right hard hard hard hard hard hard hard hard Hardly, hardly ever. Where I'd watch boxing and go, were they watching the same fight? Right. Right. What is going on? Yeah.

How did that happen? I remember that happened at Johnny Tapia fight I watched one time. And like Tapia clearly won the fight. And I was like, come on, man. That's dirty. And it just, it just turned me off. Yeah. The athletes train so hard and they put their wives on the line.

And you're, and it just like, how did it come down to that? Yeah. So, Jiu-Jitsu took that away from me. And that's like, oh, there's a, there's a point system. you know with a submission it's a clear winner yeah and I really like that and I still man I just love watching it I love ADCC just happened and like I said the Cray Johns and that was like the Super Bowl for me yeah I just sat down and watched every single match and do you go to the fight so lot no I hate people so they got it I tell

it's go to a movie theater go to movie theater you know that oh it's the worst people put, dude, I had someone put up their feet with their, with their shoes off and stinky socks. It's the worst. Listen, I've gone to a boxing match. I've gone to UFC matches. I've gone to UFC matches. I've gone to boxing matches. And I always feel like, I should have watched this on TV.

Then I can rewind it. I could see what happened. I love when they go in and I love it. You have Rogan telling you the commentary. And I'm like, that's awesome, right? Like you, to be there, it's like, yeah, okay, you were there. Yeah, you're like me. You're like me.

I love it. Yeah, so I love the, like, you don't need the best seats. Nah. Sit at home. And we're at a place now with the way that you know, the, and so one of the reasons that the theater isn't doing the kind of business it did with like we were kids, because you have such great surround sound system. That's one aspect of it, of the technology.

But then the other aspect is because of technology, if you went to, if you went to a date with your wife, I guarantee you there's going to be some teenagers. texting, talking, and you're going to say, we should have just watched us at home. It takes you right out of experience because you're not there just with your wife. It's so true. We were just at some movie because my kids wanted to go see it. And I'm just like looking at these other kids. I'm like, I just wanted to throttle them.

I'm like, you know, like, be quiet. Yeah. Like I'm trying to watch a movie here, but I get it. Like they're with their buddies and that's the whole, that's the experience that they're having. Oh, you're nicer than I am. I don't get it. I don't understand how they have the stream.

Like, just people get off. your phone, what are he there for? You're there to watch the movie? You're there to text that you'd be at home. It drives me nuts. Yeah. It drives me nuts. Yeah. We have cranky old men. So, you know, we were mentioning before when it came to the fights and it comes to Jiu-Jit-to and it comes to all that. And we mentioned in Mario, and I'm going to be mad at my, I'd be mad at my 15-year-old self. I've only seen you talk about this once. And if you talked about it more than that, I get it. But the, the infamous fight scene that happened and saved by the bell, right? I know that there was

the one you talked about it and you said that when you were, looking at it because he was a wrestler and he'd tell me about that fight scene and how that I feel like you guys almost kind of the two of you like almost improv that it felt like because it was like you threw it like because that punch it was what for what saved by the bell was that was a pretty realistic fight scene so what went into that day and how did that come about so I don't I don't remember much about that day but what I will tell you is that if you were to recreate something like that now and I just well I can't really sit up but I've I've I don't really sit up but I've I recently have been involved in fight scenes.

Okay. You will have a stunt coordinator. You will have a double. You will have pads and you will have rehearsed it. And they may do a pre-film of it where they're going to show you what they're going to do. And I remember with that saved by the bell thing, it's like it's in the script. And, you know, you go half speed during rehearsals and the run-throughs and stuff like that. And then when the lights came on and it was Friday night, we're in front of an audience, I think it was a real fight.

I mean, honestly, like Mario used his wrestling to get me down on the ground. I didn't have any pads on. There was nothing on the ground. I mean, I hit the pavement of studio. And then the punch that he gets off. Yeah, I look back at that now and I just giggle because there was no, you know, the standards and practices kind of at all. It was raw.

And there may have been some, you know, like real emotions in that. in that because none of us were backing down and I wasn't I surely wasn't going to say that he hurt me or he wasn't going to say that I hurt him in any way but that's about as real the fight scene as I think I've ever done and I was only 16 I know and it came and it came out of nowhere I mean it's like yeah they're playing pranks on each other throughout the whole thing and they're obviously like they always do they're going after a girl but it was like it just that fight came I remember watching that with my brother going whoa because it just it was and you three you Because Zach was a bit over anxiously.

He threw like a big bomb. He throws a big right hook. A buddy of mine, a jihitsu guy. I'm going to give him a shout out. Matt Royo. I was doing a Comic-Con and Matt lives in Tampa. So hopefully. Yeah, I hope he's looking at my families too, yeah.

Yeah. And so I was thinking about him the other day and sent him out of text and whatever. But he had come up to me at a Comic-Con and recreated that exact same scene with his brother. Oh, wow. in front of me. I had no idea what was going on. They literally came up to me while I was sitting there and he starts going, you know, whatever Slater says to Zach, like something blah blah, blah, preppy. And then Zach says something and they did this whole dialogue for dialogue. And then they started fighting. I was like, what the what are you got what is going on here? They're like, dude, we just did the scene and the thing. And the thing I go, oh, oh, oh, right. It's right. It was seen as even in my universe, but they did a really good reenactment of that of that scene. Isn't that funny? It's because that scene I've seen that a handful of times. But of course, for you, it's like, yeah, you said,

I don't even remember that day really that much. Because that was what you did. It was your life for what it was. Obviously, it stuck with a lot of people for a long time. But for you, and I had heard you on another interview where you said, for a little bit, it was tough for you to find work after that because they saw Zach Morris. When you walked into a room, they're like, oh, where's the blonde-haired kid? He's not here.

Who's this guy? And you have to break out of that. But it's like you do have to at one point push that off to the side. And I want to get to that journey with you about the in between. But it also is why I was curious why you decided to go back in 2020 to say, yeah, you know what? I'm going to revisit. We're going to go back and we're going to do this. I'm going to go and I'm going to direct, obviously.

It's probably part of the deal. But was there any hesitation to go, no, that was I pushed that so far behind. I don't want to go back to it again. No. And people would always ask. when are you going to do a reboot that was always a question okay I'd get a lot of interviews when reboots became the thing right and and people would say but you're never gonna do it right you never want to revisit that again and I never had any

animosity or any negative feelings about saved by the bell maybe the first two years after we had wrapped and we wrapped that in 94 I didn't really work until 1996 and funny enough it was another NBC see movie of the weeks, movie of the week when they, when they did those. And I said movie of the weeks, plural, because I did three in a row in the second half of 1996. And played, actually, the one that I came back, I played a kid in college that raped Candace Cameron Burry. So I played a despicable character, my second role after, Saved by the Bell. But does that make you nervous doing a role like that? Because if you like, because if you say,

Okay, no, you didn't think of it. Didn't think of it. Because it's interesting. It's like, Zach Morris was such a departure of who I was in my personal life, right? I was everything about Zach Morris was I created that character. I mean, they created the character and then, you know, it's your interpretation. But my interpretation was of all these cool kids that I went to school with, you know. And when I went to school, I was, I was a wallflower, man.

And like no one really knew of me. People weren't really into the fact that you were in the business. It wasn't a thing. It's such a thing now. And I think social has really pushed that over the edge of being in front of a camera, no matter in what capacity. But back then it was like, oh, you do, you're an actor. Oh, that's stupid.

Do you play football? You know, that kind of thing. And I didn't get to play football. I wanted to play football. But Zach was a character in my head that I created, you know, the blonde hair. I didn't have blonde hair. I had blonde hair as a kid. But, you know, my mom started dyeing my hair a little bit more and more as I was getting

older. And, you know, you put sun in your hair, lemon juice and go stand out in the sun for an hour. You know, but I don't want to. Mom, I've gone to therapy over this, so don't worry about it. But so that when I was done with, say, by the bell, I was like, oh, I can go back to just being me. It's like after found, I'm going to shave this beard off. I'm going to cut my hair.

Right. And I don't feel like a cleanse. Probably feels like a cleanse, right? Yeah, yeah. And the same way to say it by the bell. It's like I wasn't trying to distance myself from the character. It's just that I am distance away from these characters. You know, it's like when I played Mike Lawson from pitch and the big beard and the weight and the, you know, the way I carried myself, the minute.

minute we're done, I go back to just being me. And it's, yeah, of course, it's somewhere in between the characters that I play and and who I am. But, you know, I never, I never felt like, oh, I really have to do something to distance myself from this character. I would just walk into a room. And then when I did Dead Man on campus after my hair black on that, on that, because I had just dyed my hair like all these weird colors right before then.

and wasn't prepared to like just shave my head, so I died it black. And then I went in for that audition. They're like, oh, we love the black. I love what you're, you know, you're trying to get away from your character. I'm like, no, I just, you know, just died of black. And they're like, we love it.

Keep it for the character. Or when I wear a hat, people will always say like, ah, you're incognito. I'm like, no, I'm wearing a hat. It's my hat. Yeah. But I've never, I've never had to, fortunately, never had to actively feel like I'm trying to distance myself away from a specific character.

How did it feel? That people didn't feel that way because I feel like, you know, the industry definitely wanted a pigeonhole me into that and think that was that. But I never, I never thought it was. Especially back then. That's a lot, it's tough because there's so much, it was harder. There's so much going on right now with streaming and everything else, too. There's a lot of opportunities for actors to do a lot of different things.

but I feel like, especially back then, typecasting very hard to get out of. So, and it took a lot, and a lot of you guys had to really fight through that, you know, and how you were able to do it. And was it, did you, did it feel like comfortable when, because I know you said you kept in touch with a lot of, I know you, Mario obviously were close, but then you kept in touch with a lot of your cast. So when you were acting together again in that reboot, did it feel kind of like old hat or did you have to kind of get? get the juices yeah yeah it did oh it was awesome i mean we we keep in touch i mean i keep in touch with elizabeth and uh and tiffany yeah i i um yeah timpne's husband and i are uh we have a lot in common and we we uh uh you like to connect um no when we got back for the reboot again it was one of those things with the reboot we're going back and i like how you

circled back to this um because i wanted to explain something is that we were always open to doing a reboot it's just that no ideas were that came through were anything that excited us. And then when Tracy Wigfield sat down right before COVID and pitched me the idea of how she was going to reboot saved by the bell, I was like I was on board the minute she opened her mouth. It was so right and innovative and you know you want to honor the original right but you also want to take it in another direction. At least that's what we wanted to do is saved by the bell and

I mean reading that first script I loved it and and was we were all on board with it right away. Yeah, it was cool to see you guys be able to do that again and then yeah I'm still disappointed I mean I have to be careful because they're my current employer but again it was NBC and I'm disappointed that they they canceled that show man those those other actors that played our kids yeah They were so talented and the writing was so fresh and so fun. And I had such a great time directing one of those episodes. But I'm still a little, I'm a little sore from Peacock guy canceling that. I get it. I get it. But look, but in the same breath, isn't it also?

You don't know what's going to happen there. You don't wind up getting found if that, you know? Right. Exactly. Yeah. It is one of those things. There's a few projects that you do that when they do, get canceled, they sting.

Yeah. Pitch was one of those. I mean, pitch more than anything was one of those that I think the audience is still asking me. It's almost been 10 years later. They're like, are you guys going to get back together? I'm like, I'm 50 years old. How would I play a major league player? Yeah. Yeah. But that was a, that was one of those that really hurt. Yeah, no, I know. I was going to ask you about pitch because, you know, as I also read that that that was the one time, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but that was the one time. the one time that you considered leaving the business afterwards because it stung so much. Is that true?

Yeah. I think about leaving the business every time it's true. Yeah. I, you know, as an actor, we have such highs and such lows. Again, we'll go back to Jiu-Jitsu. Yeah. But there's such highs and such lows, you have to find some middle ground. And sometimes I'm like, what is that middle ground in this business, right?

There's the strike hit. And people are still recovering from it, from crews to actors to just everything. There's still people that are out there that haven't recovered. And so I get to that point where I'm thinking, what could I do in my life that doesn't have, that's just more consistent. And I really love acting. I love being in front of the camera. I love collaborating. I like being behind the camera.

I just love the business. Yeah. The business doesn't define my life, and I'm sure, I've always lived outside of the industry. But I love being on a set, and I love everything that it offers and creating and being creative and all that stuff. Oh, dude, I relate to that so much where like this, we were talking about to as we were about to start recording and we were talking about podcasting. And this is what I've been doing with my life the last like, you know, 13 years.

And it's like, it's the same thing. There are a lot of times. I'm like, you know, I had gotten producer jobs, steady jobs, other jobs to where I'm like, okay, this is ex-girlfriends. Like, just stay and do that. And I'm like, no, like, I can't. It's just like, there's just something in you. You're like, it just, it calls for, and I've been there many times. Like, I don't want to do this anymore.

I'm done. Yeah. I'm done. And then it's like, no, you're not done. It's like, you know, it's the old rocky quote, you know, it's like, you just, you got to get back. You have to get back. It's funny. I made that comment after pitch.

I said, I said, I don't know what I said. I said something like it really, somebody had asked me years after, it was like, how did that affect you and I go? It made me almost think about quitting the career. Quitting this career. Yeah.

Because you're so content in doing something, you're thinking, this is it. This is the one. This is what I've been working my ass off to get to at this point. And then it gets taken away from you for something you, have no control over right and it hurts it just makes you just want to take a step back and you know and then you realize how much you enjoy what you're doing and it's uh it it fills a hole in some way

and and you go right back at it yeah it's like it is and it's look especially this is why i really give you so much credit and how since you were working back when you were a kid i mean you started when you were what 13 uh earlier than that wow I was on Brewster. Oh, wow. That's right. That's right. Yeah, like 11.

Or I was on highway to heaven. Okay. When I was maybe 10. Okay. So you've been in the business for, shoot, man, like 40 years. So it's like, so when you're. Yeah. And you've seen so many different changes in the, because I was thinking, because you've, you

and NBC have a, have a pretty good relationship. It worked on a lot of NBC stuff. And just watching, like, even looking at found right now. And I think the first season was. 12 episodes? 13 episodes. Okay, 13 episodes. So I feel this is a very different business

in where if this is 2004, this show's probably 23, 24 episodes stretched out, you know, because the business had changed so much and where it can be on peacock, they give it more time, or I feel like 12 episodes to me, 12, 13 episodes,

is the perfect time to really let something marinate, let the characters marinate. And do you feel because, these networks now they have streaming platforms they have more um you know there there are in competition with the other streamers and the other it used to be just the network shows that's it you got a network show but now there seems like there's more the writers that they bring in as soon like there's more quality in some of these writers the different projects how do you feel that the business has changed

because of the streamers because of everything else and what you've seen with your experience over the course of uh you're working in this business i have a love hate really relationship with the paradigm of streaming versus network. When I was on a network, like for instance, NYPD Blue, we would do 22 episodes. Yeah, yeah. Long years. I mean, you do nine months out of the year, and then you'd have a three-month break, and you go right back at it, and you can always find something wrong with that schedule.

Yeah. Then you do something like Franklin and Bash. We did four years of that. Yep. We only did 40 episodes in four years because we would do 10. I would work for about three and a half months and then have eight months to basically FO. And that was tough because now I'm making way less money. But my nut is still the same.

Right. And so now some people say, well, that's great, though. Then you can go and find other things to do. You do your 10 episodes of Franklin and Bash. And then you have eight months to go do a film or, you, Sure, but films have to align and there's a lot of components that have to work and sometimes they fall through and all this stuff and they're like, but you'd work on other things. No, you can't because I was obligated and contractually to work on Franklin Abash. I can't go on another show. So maybe I can do a handful of guest starring roles, which yeah, they pay well, but they're not like being on my own show. right um and uh and and and so we i did that for quite a while and then um there was a few where you know i do one season and then be done my pitch was like 10 episodes and then done yeah

was 10 episodes and done and then i finally got mixedish and mixish our first season we did 23 episodes and i was like yes i i love working yeah so i love working because the more i work the more money and make sure or buy toys and do more jiu-and-do and do that my life becomes so much better right working doesn't make me happier but I can I can I can I can supplement some things that will make you breathe a little easier yeah makes you breathe a little easier yeah yes and I have kids yeah I'm providing for them so when found came along we did the first 13 second season we get picked up for 22. I am ecstatic. I mean, it is

we're currently on episode 17 no, 18 of 22. Oh wow. So you are doing 22. You're doing 20? Oh, wow. So I see the light and I'm like, no, I don't want to see the light. Let's just keep going. Oh, wow. But we need the time to, you know, obviously the writers are burned out. The other actors are

burned out. I told my co-star, Shnola, I'm like, this is the light. As a, being on television, this is what you want you want to be able to work and expand these characters I mean the the work that we've done this year is so fantastic and so much fun yeah I can find one more word that started with F and B through well it would be great but you know it's like I I love this I love I love these expanded and these are these are these are rare right I mean once the last time you heard a show getting picked up for 22 I know yes that's

what I was saying is it It doesn't have they don't do it as much anymore. So yeah. But I feel bad for some actors that are on these other shows that are doing 10 because they're contractually obligated to be on that show. And now they're stuck on these shows. And some of them, they don't go. They'll extend the time, the seasons.

So maybe the lead actors doing a film. And now they have to push the schedule back. Well, there's other actors that are on that show that are now, haven't worked for a year, two years. Or you just mentally exhaust yourself. I always remember the story about my, Michael J. Fox when he was working on family ties, and they wanted him to do back to the future, but he couldn't do it. So they gave it to Eric Stoltz. And he's like, no, you know what?

I will do it now because Eric Stoltz was working out, but he went from family ties to back to the guy. I didn't sleep. He didn't sleep. And it's like, so like Ed, but it puts you, I guess that was a good point that I didn't really consider that it puts you in a bind where it's like, yeah, okay, you'll do these 10 episodes, but you can't do anything else. And you don't get the kind of money that you would at 22 episodes. So it's like the catch 22. I'll work for nine months and it'll be worth it because for 22 episodes I'll be I'll be nice for quite a while and especially now you're into season two yeah and by the way I'm coming from a place you know I'm speaking about myself there's obviously people that are totally fine with doing 10 or leaps and that's fine what works for me though is the fact that I work more and doing more sure well what I have four kids I got a lot of mouths I'm a dude I'm telling you I'm with you

I completely understand. I relate to a lot of stuff that you're throwing down, especially not wanting to go out and be around people. I'll tell you that. But, you know, the thing, let's say, so found, it goes seven, eight, nine, ten, fifteen seasons. Love it. Love it.

After it's done. After it's over. What does Mark Paul want to do next? Do you want to continue acting? Do you want to continue directing a mixture of both? Do you want to produce some stuff? What as you, you know, because I'm, I'm always kind of, I think pivoting is always as we get older is always something that we try to do, right?

We try to pivot, what's next? What are we going to do? What are we going to do? Whether it's discovering jihitsu and making that part of your life, what is in the, what is the goals of what you want to accomplish as you, you know, the golden years? Well, after 15 seasons, I think we'll be doing this podcast from my island. Perfect. I'll, I'll make sure. Yeah, I fly you out on my private jet.

I'm in. I know. I mean, 15 years. I would love to be the next law on order, SBU. Nothing would make me more happy. I don't know. I don't have this long-term goal. I just know that I live my life. Oh, gosh, I'm going to hack a quote. I could pull it up on my phone while we're talking. But it's essentially like if you want to be in the lead, act like you're, you're, you know in second place basically right so you never feel I never feel like I'm I'm I'm winning and it goes back to being the half glass yeah yeah I'm fine that way that's how I was brought up my my parents were very humble and always brought me to a level of just of understanding that you're you're not the most important person in the room and you need to you know if you want to get something you have to put work into it and just at the same time never being complacent

and knowing that there is no ceiling on things and you can you can achieve those things you just have to put the work into it yeah my mom would always say and I was I was used to hate when she would say it all the time but and I go into like a Howard Stern voice when he talks about his mom you know but it's if there's a well there's a way yeah well there's a way and I'm like shut up now I understand Isn't that crazy how that happens? It's so true. My daughter says to me all the time,

oh, dad, you don't want to talk about it. And in my mind, I'm going, please let that be the one that sticks in there. The way that it's stuck in there with my dad and my mom, the way, what you just said, it like stays in there. But at the time, you're just like, get out of my face. I know.

Yeah, I know. It's so true. It is funny. I'm now at a point in my life where I've become more and more like my father and my mother. Like, there's certain things that I'm doing. I'm aware of it. and sometimes it'll make me giggle and sometimes I'm like, get out of my scale. Like, I'm not you.

Same. But you are. You are your parents. And I just look at my kids and I have a 20 year old and an 18 year old and an 11 and a 9 year old. And I just hope that I can help them on their journey. And I've given them the resources to become, you know, well-rounded individuals. and that they can always come to me at any stage of their life, good and bad, and I'll be there for them and help in any way that I can.

You know, a thing that my wife and I kind of live by is you know better, do better. Right. You know, it's like we sometimes blame our parents for things that are happening in our lives, and they blame their parents and so on. And they had it harder than we have it now. And same with me. I have it harder than my kids have it now. And this is all relative.

But the more I know, the more I want to be better. And I think it's with my career too. The more I do, the more I want to do. And I don't feel like, yeah, I've got my side card in 1984. And for some of your listeners, they're going to be like, oh my God, I can't believe he's that old. He's going to die soon. And they're not wrong.

But I don't ever look at what I've done in the past and think, oh, man, I've done it all. I don't want to do more. I still feel like I'm a newbie to this industry. I've never been to an award show in my whole entire life. Really? I've never been to the Emmys or the Oscars. And not that I'm asking. I know what you're saying.

I know what you're saying. I don't want to. But there's certain things that I've done in my career that. And there's other things that I've never done. And I'm like, I have so much more to experience. And so I'm having this great time on my show. And I've been able to travel. I just went to the Olympics because of my show.

You know, they promoted. Yeah. Look at these great opportunities. Did you get a chance? Did you take your family or you went out there by yourself? Oh, I went with my family. That's cool. That's cool.

That's cool. We had the Olympics portion of that was my wife and I. We were, we went on MB, with NBC because we did some emotional stuff there. And they treated us so well and we got to see so many great of medicine. Such an amazing time. But I flew my whole family. I flew my kids out there. That's great.

We spend time with extended family that live in Europe. How fun is that? That's an experience, right? Wow, man. Yeah. This is stuff like, you know, the work that you put into and you get these perks and these opportunities and it's not lost on man. I'm like, I am so fortunate and I love it, man.

Yeah. That's a great experience. All right, so the last thing I want to ask you before you take off, and thank you again for your time here today. I appreciate it, and congratulations on the show. There was something, I know that it was a really, and I want to end on a note of something I wanted to ask because you had tweeted something out that I thought was really,

obviously, heartfelt when we lost Dustin Diamond. And what you wrote and what you said there, it just, I lost my brother, one of my brothers in 2018, and he was, went through a lot of rough times, a lot of rough things. There were, and we were on pretty good terms when he passed, but I know that you and Dustin had, you know, and had a kind of falling out of falling out with a bunch of people. Did you get a chance before he passed? Did you ever had a chance to reconcile with him at all, or it just didn't ever came to

that? Well, to back it up, we never had a falling out. Oh, no? Okay. No. Okay. It's so funny, like what people create, we weren't ever close. I'll say that much. And they'll say we weren't close because people say, well, you worked with the guy for five years.

He was three years younger than us. Yeah. Or maybe more. And if you have to, remember how it was in school, if you were a senior and you hung out with a freshman. Right. Come on, man. You were like, what are you doing? Right.

You just never thought unless, you know, it was opposite sex or whatever. Sure. But not like there's other standards of practices. Right. But you know what I'm saying. I know exactly what you're just saying. Yeah, especially when you're a kid, you're a teenager working on that show, man. Totally.

You were 25 and you were dating a 21 year old. Right. It was like a thing. Right. Whoa, man. You can't find somebody your own age. Right. And it just, as you become older,

age gaps don't matter as much. But at that point when we were 16 and we're hanging out with a 13 year old, it didn't happen. Justin had his own friends. We kind of all stayed together. Yeah, it wasn't right probably. You know, it probably affected him in some way. If we look back now, but as a kid, you're like, you're a kid and we're way more mature than you. So that was probably the separation, the distance between us.

And we'd create certain tension between Dustin and the rest of us. Never thought, I mean, never had any animosity towards him. Then his book comes out and all this other stuff comes out. All that stuff was like Dustin, oh, come on, man. You know, like, you know, that stuff is not true. You're creating this stuff in your head. But again, anyone who knows me, I'm a Pisces, man. And it's like, I don't care that much.

I swim from one end of the fishbow to the other, and I've already forgotten what the hell we were fighting about. And the last time I saw him, I think, was in 2018. We were at a Comic-Con, or maybe it was a little bit later than that. But it was pretty much right before his death. And we had a booth right next to each other. and you just strike up a conversation as if we'd been buddies all along. Good. I had no hard feelings to him. And then, yeah, you write the tweet or whatever.

And I remember I wrote the tweet and there were a few, you know, you always look at the negative comments and some of the comments. We're like, whoa, you never liked him to begin with and all this stuff. It's not the point, but that's not that's not the point. That's not sincere who wrote that for you. Right. Oh, the internet. It's one of the reasons I'm not on social. Good for you. If I didn't have to do it for this thing, I wouldn't be on it either.

It's the worst. My co-star just gets on me about it because she has to do a lot of work on social for her show. And I love her for it. I think she does a great job. But I am not, I'm too fragile. I read the comments and it does affect me. And I waste you. a lot of time in my opinion on it you know and I didn't I didn't need that again I

have young kids and I don't want them to be on social and that's dad's on social what message am I telling them right and so if they want to at some point when they get their phones you know after eighth or ninth grade sure you know like you do what you want within reason we'll have boundaries but I can't be on it right now and then my young kids like oh it's terrible No, you don't need to. Let NBC tweet out for you. You don't know. But then I'm missing all these, you know, TikTok challenges and stuff like that. You're okay. You are okay. Mark Paul, thank you so much, dude, for joining me here today.

Once again, for everybody, please go and check out Founds in season two. If you haven't seen season one yet, go and watch it on Peacock. Go and check it out. Mark Paul, again, thank you, dude. I look forward to talking to you again. I would love it. Again, remember in 15 years I'll be on an island. I'm coming. I'll be there. I'll be there. to figure it out. I'll be in my third year jiu-jitsu at that point. All right, brother.

Talk to you soon. Sounds good. I'll have some mats on the beach. Please. Good. You can kick the hell out of me for calling you Mark. All right. I'll see you later.

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That's how you help us out. Another way you help us out is comment. Come on, man. good interviews like that, how great was that? You guys don't understand. I was a big saved by the bell fan as a kid. Like really, when I was starting stand-up, I would say a good percentage of my jokes

were about saved by the bell. Love that show. And I got to talk to Mark Paul about the fight, man. I needed it. I said I had to ask about that fight. There's so many different things he's talking about a million times, but I had to talk about that fight. And the fact that he said it was basically a real fight.

It's interesting. There's so much. You know what it's funny, too, I think he warmed up to me. I think at first, I think at first he was like, all right, just going to do this interview. And then I think he warmed up to me. I don't know what you guys thought.

But it felt like that. It felt a good conversation. I want to talk to him again. I like, I liked how honest he was. And he's not like trying to pretend that he's a people person. Like I completely understand. He's like, I don't hate people. I don't like to be around people.

I love that type of honesty. I hate when the fake facade of this is like the guy, you know, look, we're all there when we get older. He got a little grouchy. But I felt he was pretty damn honest with me. So I liked it. Thank you. guys for checking it out, tuning in. We've got more of these interviews that I'm excited about,

and I like doing it on the Wednesday spot. We got Matthew Lillard, who's going to be coming in today, but you guys will see it next week. He's going to be in studio, which will be great. And we're working on more of those. I'm working on getting a studio, rent in a studio in the city because there's more time because virtual is cool. I mean, there's not only, that's the only thing I could do with Mark Paul because he's in L.A., you know, but if people are in New York, I'm not doing virtual. I'm not going to do that. I'll just rent out of a place in New York, Same place said Chris Van Bleet rents out. So I'll do that and I'll do some more stuff for you guys.

But I'm excited to do it. I'm also excited. Look, hey, last week, I don't even think I got eight questions, maybe nine. We're at 26 today. I'll take it. I'll take 26. And hell, maybe we'll make 30 before the end of the show. But the first one comes in from Matthew Garrett, who says, Christian, please watch Caddo Lake, one of the best.

I don't know what that is. You got to tell me what that is. I'm not sure. What that is. I've never heard of it. Matthew Welchell. He says, I'm sorry I'm late to this party, but I read that Damien Wayne will be Robin in James Gunn's DCU. I can't stand that character, and I wish they would do a proper Dick Grayson's story or Jason Todd would be better. I think, you know, it's funny is that I don't think that they really had a, I think that people say, well, you know, Jason or Dick Grayson's been done already.

I mean, he has been, but I go on with your point. Has he been done well? Not that I think, Chris O'Donnell was good, but not his fault that the goof. of the movie, but I don't know yet. I can't judge it because I don't know enough about Damien Wayne. But it looks like that. Damien Wayne seems to me more of a James Gun type Robin from what I'm aware of. Mustafa Aging, I'm aware that you've already rejected this idea, but many would love it if you gave the one piece anime ago.

The law and mythology is so rich and deep. So it's not that I rejected it. Remember, I love the live action series. There's two reasons why I don't think that I'd be able to do the action. The first is I don't want to ruin any storylines and things that could potentially happen in the live action because I know they do a lot of that. That's part one. Part two is just so much of it. I barely have time to do any of this stuff I'm doing today.

So it's just I don't think I have enough time for it. More so than it's not a lack of interest. Derek, 011. Hey, Christian, I just watched a wild robot with the wife on digital. It's the first time she ever said she wished she could have seen it in IMAX first. Yeah, it's a great movie.

I'm actually going to be doing, so that's the schedule today, man. It's, is busy. You know, somebody and sometimes, I mean, I can admit, I can come off a little hot, especially after yesterday. There's a guy who made a comment, and he ain't deleted it since, but you guys talk about the time codes here, right? And I used to do time codes all the time. Let me also make it very clear.

It's not that I don't want to do time codes. There is a gentleman who watches this show, and he puts time codes in every time, and I cut and paste it and put it in. I do not have the bandwidth to do time codes at the moment. I also don't have the funds to hire somebody to do it. Tapped out. What I do is that basically, you know, I told this guy, as I wake up eight in the morning,

well, I don't wake up at eight. We get up at six, six-thirty. Got to get the kids out by eight, get them to school, help the wife with that, get to work, 830, 845, start prepping stuff, moving towards this show. other things, editing, whether it's Sarah's show, today I taped a reaction with Sam. Next thing you know, it's 1230, 1240. I'm getting ready to go on the air.

I have to make sure that the Mark Paul interview is ready to go. It is. Next day, no, blink my eyes. It's one o'clock. Show happens, one o'clock to maybe three o'clock today. You know, do some stuff, prep some stuff, work on some sponsor things, try to get a UAP show done. Next thing you know, I got to upload to Spotify.

Four o'clock comes. Matt Lillard's in studio. That's about an hour. 5 o'clock, 5.30 comes. Tina comes in to do the wild robot reaction, then go home. And it's like, there's just no, there's no time to do stuff.

There's no time to do stuff. So I am working on, and people like, you know, when it comes to budget, those other things is that, yeah, look, one of the things about going live is it helped with the budget. But the other thing is you got to,

if you're telling, when you're hiring somebody to be on your show, a co-host, doing an hour, it's a different rate than when you ask them to be on for two hours out of their day. And then that has to make up. So it's like, and there's just a lot that goes into it. Not everybody pays attention to stuff, and why would you? So I would love to do time codes. It's just a matter of if I can and the fine gentleman that's been doing it, it's going to keep cutting and pasting. Do me a favor. The guy who does the time codes when you're watching this.

Do you mind after I cut and paste your time codes if I delete the comment? I haven't done deleted the comment out of respect because you I don't want you to feel like oh I put this in there and now it's gone I'm putting it in the description but I want to see how you feel you feel you want me to just leave it in the comments and I will do so because you've been taking your time to do that he's been doing as much as he can not his job just does it to help cinema fan 324 AMC needs to show more restricted trailers in front of families needs to show more restricted trailers in front of families they did it with sausage party and again for the nun to do you mean amc needs to shot two meets the stop show

more restricted in front of families in front of blue beetle and none too i think you mean they need to stop is what you're saying i think Derek the great showing some support as he does each and every show he really has been an angel to the kh channel um and i really appreciate that some of the reactions that i'm doing by the way we got warrior coming up with sam uh wild robot with Tina, live action Lion King with Tina, Venom one and two with my wife, heat with my wife, which she's never seen, which I'm excited about. Derek Great says, why is Sony holding onto these rights so tightly? Are they really making money on Spider-Man? Or are they holding it hostage to milk any money at Disney? Well, it's one, I guess it's a little column A, little column B.

It's like they want to hold onto the rights because it's one of their only IPs that they have and they want to try to make money off of it. They own it and they don't want to lose it Because they can make as if it hits, it's just the problem is they don't have the formula to make it hit yet. And you look at Venom, Venom was like, oh, we did this right. You know, and then Venom 2 was like, nope. And then I don't know about Venom 3. I'm going to see it next week. But the other side of, they're not holding it hostage to milk money at Disney because that was never the case before they made that deal.

The deal before they, remember, before they even had a deal at Disney, they still had the rights and we're trying to. And that was why Andrew Garfield was kind of thrown, was kind of raked over the fire because Toby McGuire, that movie with Sam Ramey, the fourth one was like, I think it was scheduled to go and it was like a week out from shooting. And then it all fell apart. And then Sony,

if they didn't make the movie by a certain time, we're going to lose the rights. So they put together the Amazing Spider-Man as fast as they could before the rights expired and they didn't lose the rights. So it's a matter of that, you know, it's just an IP that they don't want to get rid of. so that's that's ultimately what it what it comes down to there uh mike joyce there he is harris trump are making the rounds on various podcasts right now if you had the opportunity

and interview them would you only on my uap show because i wouldn't ask him about all the i actually went on this whole thing yesterday there's this and and probably none of you i shouldn't say none of you but probably a lot of you have no idea about this i don't care what you believe whatever whatever you think's flying around the sky if you think it's nothing if you think it's drones it's fine And I'm not trying to do that here. But there is a story. I don't even know how many of you guys are aware of this.

For 17 days, there were things that were seen over Langley, for 17 days over Langley Air Force Base, which is a major, major Air Force Base, and they don't know what these things were. And someone who used to, Chris Mellon, who used to work very high level for defense, said that these things have been seen going into. to something else, whether it's a mothership, not necessarily an alien thing, but the mothership,

the thing where these drones are going out and going out and they wanted to be seen. And then the Pentagon has been having meetings about this. And no one is, news nation reported on it, the Daily Mail, but nobody else talked about it. And I said, I don't care if you think everybody's a lunatic who's covering this thing. If you see this air base and you see this thing and this happening, shouldn't you guys who don't know what the hell is, he's like, okay, fine, I don't believe whatever the whole Harlow was talking about, but what the hell was flying over it? Just tell me what it was. Tell me it was a bunch of lights.

Tell me a bunch of balloons. They're not saying nothing. For 17 days. 17 days. And you guys probably don't even know the story. And I just said it was irresponsible that people aren't talking about. Those are types of questions from any senators, Democrats, Republicans, whoever they were. That's all I would talk to them about.

Because the same old rhetoric, whoever you guys are voting for. It's like all they're going to, for the next couple of weeks, all you're going to see is, this is why the person that you want to vote for is so great. and the person that they're so bad, and you should hate them and they're going to hate you and hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, it's destructive. There's nothing, the politics and how it used to be is gone. Long gone of the days of people shaking hands and saying, okay, we'll talk a little crap about each other and I'll try some dirty politics, but ultimately it's shake hands, here we go.

Now, everybody hates each other. And the thing is, if you, you start talking politics. I say, never talk politics during the holidays. Because it's going to be destruction. It's pointless. It's pointless. It is nothing that's pointless. It doesn't matter what now.

It used to be back in the day. Somebody does something that you could say, wait a minute. Maybe that's not the person I thought they were. I'm not a vote for that person. Now, no matter. You know who you're going to vote for. It's your team.

It's Yankees of Red Sox. It's horrible. It's the worst. It's ever better. Okay. Thank you, Derek. and another one there. So, let's see.

Next one is Shea Markell. Christian, I am by no means a wrestling fan, but the rock roasting the entire Phoenix, Arizona a while back is hilarious, as he called them crackhead Carrens. Yeah, he's when he's the heel, his stuff is a heel is pretty

fantastic. He's pretty, he's pretty great on the mic and everything too. The sad movie gun. Are we going to hit 40 today guys? I'll be happy with 40. I'd be happy with what I have now, but I'd be really happy if I can get to 40. At what point does Sony realize that they could just use Miles for their movies and leave Peter to the MCU? Building a live action universe around Miles just seems like the best well-da option.

Yeah, it's it is true. And it's also one of the things that they could do if they introduced Miles, who should be the kid from the penguin, by the way. But if they did introduce Miles, they can introduce him whether it's Toby or Andrew and do it in one of their movies. double up, make some good movies. So there's a possibility that they can do that. But I just don't think, I think that they have, they have the same type of problem that Lucasfilm has, Sony.

There's just, there's executives with one type of brain, and then there's executives that have that type of brain plus creative. That's not the case over at, you know, Blumhouse has that, has both. Kevin Feigey has both. This is, Lucasfilm doesn't have a, He's gone. He's got both. But Lucasfilm and Sony don't have it. They've got Rothman over and Kennedy, and Rothman is one-sided business mind. How do we make money? How do we make money? And the creative goes out the window. And that's why these things smell like farts on a platter.

Okay. Next one. And this comes from Cowboy Cush. Mark, loved you in my entire life. My God. He was great, wasn't he? I really like talking to him. I like, and I always like, like the challenge. I like the challenge of having to, when I first read somebody going, they're going to like, what is this show? Who am I talking to? What is this? What are my people set me up with here? And then feeling that feeling of, okay, he's enjoying talking now. I love that. It's one of my favorite things in the world because I don't want to do. And that's what I said. I did, you know, him, other people have asked, you know, what kind of are there going to be personal questions? I said, look, I just want to have a conversation with somebody. If it turns personal,

turns personal, turns personal in the middle of it when we're just talking. And he was, he was, he wasn't guarded. He talked, and I loved that. The Cali Kid, holy sheet, Zach, a rare L.A. native in Hollywood. Yeah, really, he is. He is. He has a Dodger hat and everything. Roman Fedora. Hey, all. Hope you're having a good day, Christian. Thank you. Keep being your awesome self. Thank you, Roman. Are there any funny, for a horror movies that you found unintentionally funny? I'm sure. I think there was one back in the day that Ellis and I watch. What the hell was it? I mean, I think remember one of the, Was it Chainsaw Massacres?

One of the Chainsaw Massacres was really stupid, funny. There's a, there's a, it's the movies, like I said, the movie's not bad. Smile 2, there's a really dopey scene that I, it took me out of it. I started laughing for a second. I'll talk about it in the spoiler review, but there was one scene. But the whole movie, no, the whole movie for the most part. There's one, again, there's one scene in the car. It's really creepy.

And Naomi Scott does a great job acting in the car. Simon section. Dude, Simon, thank you so much for that. That is what a very generous super chat that is, and everybody who's putting stuff in, but that's a very generous one. Christian, do you know the Sly Stallone YouTube page? If so, I commented on a post of Sly and his wife, which I mistook her for one of his daughters. There was a reply, and they appreciated the comment with a reply. Let's talk on WhatsApp.

Do you know what this means before I reply? Don't reply. It is horse crap. Happens on my channel all of the time. If you ever see something from me that says, hey, let's chat on WhatsApp, whatever. Not me. Not going to ask you to do that. Not going to ask you to chat.

Never going to ask you for anything in a DM. That's what they do, these creeps. They throw these things out and they get people and they try to fish them in going, oh, it's sliced the loan. Yeah, it really is him. So check it out. And there's the same kind of fishing emails that they do. I got somebody who sent me an email that says, Sarah Silverman wants you on her podcast.

And here it is. And it was a Gmail account. Yeah, I don't think that's true. So don't buy that stuff. They just try to pray on you. do not respond to it. It's garbage. Thank you, Derek.

A little bit more there. Appreciate it. We're at 36, guys. We're getting close. We might actually hit it before we tune out here. Amazing. Really, really, really like that conversation with Mark Paul. Chris Daniel, when will Puck be on to interview?

So you guys didn't watch a show yesterday. They'll go right over your head. Puck from MTV was brought up on the show yesterday. And apparently he's doing some more stuff. Apparently he's involved with the ringer somehow. I don't know how that is. I didn't know. Zeus Fleming.

Cool name. Tom Drake never gets nothing. Love is Robin. Nothing you love is Robin. I don't know enough about Tom Drake. Is that a Robin? See, I'm not going to pretend that I know. Noob's style.

Matthew Garrett. Cattle Lake, New on Mac, stars Dylan O'Brien, such a smart thriller, dark spooky, incredibly well-written, produced by M. Knaipa better. Interesting. Okay, so Dylan O'Brien. I don't know. I hope I'm allowed to say this. Dylan O'Brien is in my friend David Gambino's wife's movie.

I hope I can say that. And he, from what I said, from when I was talking to David about it, I said, yeah, I like that kid. He's a really good. And he's like, yeah, he really is good. David wasn't as familiar with him before he said, he's really, really good. Apparently he's really great on Saturday night. So that doesn't surprise me. You're very talented actor.

And he's one of those guys that can't blow up. I want him to. Let's see. Here is the next one, the Raven Effect. Speaking of Matt Liller, have you ever watched The Descendants? Great movie. It's actually a movie I enjoy very much. Great movie.

It was 2011. I love that movie. Really, really good. My daughter will be so upset with me if I don't ask Matthew Liller tons of Five Nights of Freddy's questions. She loves, it's her favorite thing. So she really, really wants me to ask a bunch of stuff, and I'll do that today. Luke TG1, TTV, saw Transformers 1.

I loved it. I loved that. Beetlejuice 2, I didn't like it. I'm seeing a Wild Robot and IMAX next week in one of my biggest screens in Europe. Hi. Enjoy it, man. It's fun. Yeah, I get the Beetlejuice 2 thing.

When I saw it the first time, I said, fine for what it is. Second time I saw it with my daughter, I was like, she loved it. You know, she's 12. She loves Beatles, and so she loved it. I was watching it, and I was like, this is just so much going on. It's too much going on. It's funny because we were going to do, we were going to do a thing on, we're going to do a reaction to Beetlejuice too. But then we're like, you know, there's other things right now.

It doesn't seem like it's really, people are really caring about people watching this. So we bailed on it. Mike, yeah, the UFO drone swarms, yes. Zeus Fleming coming back in. Sorry, meant Tim Drake, not Tim Fat Thumb syndrome is real. Still, I don't know enough about Tim Drake. So it doesn't really matter either way. I wouldn't have gotten it anyway.

Okay, let's see. There's one way here from Shea. I think there's two more. We might make it, 38. The Wicked Movie has some controversy due to the lead actress blowing up on fans over their fan art of the movie poster. I wonder what studios can do to keep their... actors from tanking and movies PR. What is that? I don't know. Yeah, tell me a little bit more about it. I haven't heard about it. I have to look. I don't understand. Yeah, it is, it is one of those things I think

came out in report. This is a, this is a nightmare, this thing, or what it can do. It's like you feel like, well, I want to have my voice and I want to say this. And I don't know what happened. So I don't know the situation. I'm not speaking on this in particular, but there are tons of times where people go, I'm going to say this to you and they say this and they make it worse. it makes it worse. It's like there's so much sometimes just stay off. It's very similar I was talking about with politics. And I broke and I

had this whole discussion the other day and I know some of you disagree with me. There are times when you should absolutely have your voice out there and you should say things. There are other times it is going to do nothing. Nothing. It is going to just make flames bigger

and you're screaming into a void. There's other times that you should absolutely speak up and it's going to help and it's just a matter of being able to balance that and that's the trick people going on how do you how do you figure that out that's the trick um but yeah i don't think that tweeting things out and that and that's what i always say the best thing about social media is what everybody has a voice what's the worst thing about social media everybody has a voice um okay Derek i completely forgot that mark paul was on punk brewster and it's crazy he's an outstanding actor

and never once have been, and he's never been invited to the Emmys. That's insane. Definitely learned some new things during that interview. Good. I'm glad to hear it, man. I enjoyed speaking with him. I enjoyed talking with him, and I'm glad that he, you know, again, opened up. So Haskell 420 closes us out, maybe, and says Michael Keaton is hosting SNL this week.

Let's go. Yankees. Yeah, the Yankees won. That was the other thing. I went to the screening last night to see Smile 2. The Yankees were on. They were beaten Cleveland. I was like 4-2 and then I got home in time to watch the watch judge hit the home run.

So it did that and then I was funny. It was breaking Sam, my friend Samantha Schaub, she's a diehard Met fan. And I said to her, you know, well, let's just hope the Yankees went to the Subway Series. She goes, F the Yankees. And I said, come on, you're not a real New Yorker. Any New York, you can say F the Yankees when they're playing them in the World Series. But I never bought into that logic of like, I went by my neighbor's house the other day, watches baseball all the time, watching Mets.

Yankee games on. I wasn't watching. I was like, come on, man. You got to watch both. This is it. This is a New York thing. And this is one of the reasons. I just moved to New York, obviously, in June, moved back anyway.

And I just think it would be one of the most memorable things to me is that I move back and then it happens. They have a subway series. I would love it. How dare you, PLD? We're at the Yankees. You're in New York. You rat. Who do you like?

Buffalo nobodies? How about them? I wish they were the Ed Harris's. F, the Yankees. You've got to watch your mouth, buddy. I'll make you reschedule one of the things next week because I have to go to a ventum screening. Oh, yeah, wait, I have to do that.

So there you go. You found out about that on the air. There you have. There you go. Well, that's fair. Someone said, Etro left the Mariners to go to the Yankees, so F the Yankees. Yeah, I understand.

Yeah, that's right, PLD. Yeah, one show you come in to actually to come in and see what's going on, and you start having conversations about nothing. So I think that's it for today. I hope you enjoy what we did here. I liked it. I hope you liked it.

Who's this? I don't know who this is. I don't want to pick this up because I feel like it could be work. I'm not going to pick that up. Who is that? That when there's a number, I'm like sometimes, and they pick up a number,

and there's someone on air, I don't want to do that. So thank you guys. Apple Podcasts, Spotify, make sure that you, if you haven't already done it, get one of our sponsors. Let's browse around one of our sponsors

and check it out and see if there's something right for you. I put the links in the description. This will be up on Spotify very, very soon. And then on, what is it? Tomorrow. Steph and Mike reunite. and then capes and cows back on Friday. I have a out of the theater reaction up right now,

Smile 2. I'm going to have a reaction with Tina for Wild Robot on Friday. Next Tuesday, I think it's going to, I don't know if I'm going to do Warrior or Venom at this point. There's a lot of stuff coming out. Oh, two more questions before we leave. Okay, 43. Shea Markell, the film poster was edited to look more like the original.

She feels like it's degrading. I can't speak for her, but I don't see it. You'd have to see it. I have to see it. But it's like, but here's what I don't understand. Again, I don't know the full story. But let's say from what you told me, Shea, that they, that she, and I don't know who it was, who tweeted, who tweeted up. But anyway, star of the film, sees this, sees the studio, and does this.

And it's very similar to Shmowdown thing. And I had this happen before. I tweet out a Shmowdown poster. I tweet out a Shmowdown promo. And instead of coming to me and saying, hey, can we either change this or there's anything that can be done or I wish someone would have talked to me about it, they tweet out something. And they tweet out about it, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, what are you doing that public for? And it's like that I don't understand unless the conversation was had with the person, you know, and said, look, hey, don't put that out there.

I'm not really loving it. Can we have a discussion? It's in contract. It's out there. And you just got to, you got to bite the bullet on it. Don't go public. I don't understand why you do that. But again, I don't know the full extent with the story.

I don't know the whole story. I just think it's, I think it is, it doesn't help at all. Okay. Let's see. Next one, last one. Scott Cross. Penguin is the first show in years that has me excited to watch each week. Unfortunately, no one of my circles are watching it.

Bummer. You're my out. Well, I will be watching both of them, both the one I missed last week. I purposely didn't watch it because I'm going to do reaction to both last week's and this week's together. It'll be a long kind of two-hour video. So you'll see me on the same thing with Agatha. Sadie's coming into the studio tomorrow so we can watch both of them. And that's what we're going to do.

So, yeah, I don't think I'm able to get to Rebel Ridge right now. But I'm going to try. That's it. Thank you, everybody. I appreciate it. Let me know in the comments. Anything else you guys are liking? If you're a member, I don't know,

anybody signed up to the membership, I'm not sure. Same as Patreon. It's the same thing, but I give two options there. And that's it. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it. We'll see you back here tomorrow. Bye, bye.

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