The Kristian Harloff Show - SPIDER-MAN 4 will see TOBEY MAGUIRE + ANDREW GARFIELD return with bigger roles?!

Episode Date: December 23, 2024

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It's Monday right before the holidays begin. And it looks like Andrew Garfield, Toby McGuire are indeed coming back in Spider-Man. If you believe this recent rumor, it makes a lot of sense. The question is, if the rumor also is to be believed, you're going to get a longer, a bigger role for the two of them. Is that smart? Is that Sony desperation? Is that the quickest path to making a lot of money? we'll discuss that and more.

I'm always the first person to say, hey, when I'm wrong, I'm wrong. And I was wrong about Mufasa. Because Mufasa got its head kicked in by Sonic. And not only did you get wrecked by Sonic, it just ate a big pile of duty. So we'll discuss that. I had a lot of hopes for the Masters of the Universe movie

because I like Travis Knight, not loving the reports that are coming out on this one. So far, a couple things about the story that I had a little head scratching. But that's just one of the many things we're going to talk about here today on the show. With me and John Roka, there's only two live shows this week. And one of them's with John, one of them was Winston. We'll discuss all the things I've discussed with you guys right now. Let's get to it.

Here we go. Welcome back to the show, ladies and gentlemen. It is the, the, show on Monday the Christian Harlow show and joining me on the Monday show as always the outlaw John Rocker what's up man how you doing hello everybody what's up buddy how you doing

nice to have you here yeah so what I was saying is last last week you came in firing he came in punching unfortunately it was the Superman week which yeah it was I mean Calanowski looked like he had it in well Roxy looked like she had it in the back she beat you and then Kalanowski has the actual day of the trailer

and then Winston and Koi put out a performance and they went up taking in a week. However, there's only two live shows this week, and it's just you versus Winston. That's it. It's you versus Winston. That's it. Two old friends going. Two old friends going head to head. And it's a good start so far. We got 10 already in there before we even started the show. So that's a good sign. 200 today. Let's get 200. Oh my God. We'll be here. We'll be here for four hours. It's Christmas. Come on it. That's right. Look, we got a lot to talk about, man, because there's a lot of different things that are going on. And one of the things, you actually

asked me as we were you're like when we were going over the stories we were going to talk about I guess before we even get into the main topics there's something that we've discussed I asked you if you saw that movie with Blake lively I always forget the name of it it ends with us yeah with us right so I asked I had seen it and then you said you were going to watch it you probably still haven't right and then there was a lot of there's a circus around this movie for the majority of its promotion and afterwards interviews and then it's like then it just kind of went away. Well, it came back up over the weekend.

What the hell happened? Yeah, apparently this report came out, or this lawsuit, rather, came out from Blake lively accusing Justin Baldoni and his PR people, which was a team and crisis manager that he hired who had worked with Johnny Depp during the Amber Heard situation. And it was revealed in lawsuit that there were text messages exchanged between them encouraging a certain path forward and that certain things were done to create a social media campaign to denigrate Blake lively and to insult her and attack her and essentially undermine

her position in the situation with Justin Baldoni. And so those text messages have caused a lot of people to rethink the situation. There's been a lot of people standing with her. Certainly all the sisterhood of the traveling pants actresses came out supporting her this morning amy schumer came out and supported her paul fee came out and supported her and then even amber her chived in this morning as well with a statement saying i know exactly what this experience was like and a lot of people are resorting back to the whole you know only believe one side and ignore the other side and so it's funny to watch the same people who were on baldoni's side now all of a sudden be as vitriolic on the other side against him so it's a it's a it's a

lot going on here and there are people like us who know so have sources behind the scenes who say that it's a much more complicated situation than what you're seeing so everyone can grandstand and do their PR you know to their fans and their supporters and all but none of us were on the set and there are sources on the set who are saying different things from the and and an off the record movie exec who's told us different things so you know it's it's a complicated situation unfortunately and i think there's still more to come out on this situation i think if the amber heard and johnny depthing taught us anything which well it clearly hasn't taught anybody anything because there's people who's still doing exactly what you're saying i think you need to listen to

everything and figure out all the facts before even even then it's hard to talk about anything like oh well i believe this person that's like you don't know everything and the idea and let me start up by saying this everything that blake lively is saying happened could very well be a hundred percent true. A hundred percent true. Could absolutely be the all, but what could also be a thing that you have to consideration is that just Justin Beldonie guy does not have the star power or the reach that Blake lively and Ryan Reynolds have, right? So if they say, hey, look at all the facts that we have and what we are, you're going to believe them right away because you know

who they are and you don't know who he is. Right. And again, it very well could all be true. But the guys had a disadvantage right away because of the star power, you know, I think that's the thing I come back to. I mean, this guy built his brand before he started doing a lot of things in Hollywood on that podcast that was very clear about addressing the toxicity of men towards women. And there have been a few people who've come out in support of him and saying their interactions with him, a lot of, a few women rather have come out and said that they worked with him on projects and that he's been nothing but gracious and respectful in all this. And some of the accusations from Blake are so outlandish. And to me, this feels, outlandish, I don't mean

in terms of like not being true i mean like it's so far against what we were told about this guy and it isn't like a example can you give an example well like there was um there's like he was apparently talking about his sexual exploits and that he was showing her nude pictures of other women and uh talking about her breasts and talking about her weight and these kinds of things and so these are the things that are trademark uh conversations that toxic men are accused of having and certainly that's something that is a lot of women have made us aware of since the Me Too women and really they've been making us aware of for decades and centuries people just started listening a little bit more after the Me Too movement and so those are those things you see

here and I think with with Justin it just seems a little bit like this is kind of unbelievable. Now you can say believe I think you should listen to everything as Christian said listen to everything, get all the facts to come out, then make statements. But people are rushing to judgment off accusations from Blake lively, right? And these are the same things that people were upset about on the Blake lively side that people were rushing to judgment on her from the Justin Baldoni side. So these are the things that I think we have to as we have to train ourselves once again to wait till all the stuff comes out and look at it and analyze it for ourselves where we stand. But too many people just want to grab this and use.

it to grind their own axes and push their own narratives and this whole idea of victimhood. And I have a really hard time and it doesn't mean it's not true, but I have a really hard time believing a woman with this kind of power who is connected to a man with this kind of power, who have high-powered lawyers, high-powered PR machines, high-powered this was willing to put herself in a position to be abused by a no-name director on a set. And you can't ignore the fact that he holds the IP hostage right now that she wants. She wanted to continue with this and create a franchise out of this with Colleen Hoover's books, who by the way has also come out and said that she stands by Blake Libby.

Well, the whole cast and the whole cast stopped following this guy on. Yeah, right. It seems like one or two of the male cast. It seemed like the cast was like finally she said something because here we are, we got your back. So there's certain things that can say absolutely 100%. It looks, as we said, as we started this, all of this. could be absolutely 100% exactly what happened.

But I just think that people just need to be careful because people do this all the time. It's like, you can have your opinion on it in the same way that John, I think, just shared his. He doesn't, John, in no way, just said, this is what I believe happened. He just said, you've got to keep everything into perspective. And I think that's what we need to do here in general. But this is not going away. There's more and more that is going to continue to come out with this case. And I think you have to factor in too, Christian, like, these are actors who want to continue working in Hollywood.

And the reality of Hollywood is if someone powerful, like, you know, says, hey, this or that or claims this or that, you want to continue working with that person. And look, WME dropped Justin Baldoni over the weekend. And from what I heard from my source, Ryan and Blake made that very clear to WME that if you didn't drop Justin Baldoni, they were going to leave WME. and WME is not going to drop a billion dollar filmmaker and his wife over a guy who is kind of a little bit of a no name. Right. And make a good point. Yeah. And the flip, look, the flip side to that too, what you're saying is you're not wrong. You are not wrong that it's like, hey, look, here's the deal. You know what I'll look at? This is the example of that particular circumstance. Back in 2007, I was actually there the night before this happened. But Carlos Mncia and the Joe Roe. thing happened right now Carlos was the bigger star at the time Joe Rogan does not have the podcast Joe Rogan was and Joe Rogan was about as comedy store guy as you get yeah yeah Joe Rogan's agent dropped him because of it the comedy store banned Joe Rogan or he couldn't

or he couldn't or had a fight with he said he couldn't come back and this too and Joe Rogan was in the right on that conversation but because they took well who brought who brings in the most money that is the that that's the first part and now the other side of it could be know because you even look at like some people talking about in the chat. Doni's podcast partner, she was like, this is finally coming out. I'm out of here. You know, she might not have that whole thing to deal with with. She's like, just because it's just not a good dude.

And that very well could be the case of this guy is just not a good dude. But we need to figure out what it is. Let people, let people bring that to life. We have other things to talk about. We have tons of things to talk about. And the main story here that we wanted to discuss is this, we've been talking you and I about the Spider-Man for rumors

forever, right? And we both agreed that we thought that it should be a grounded movie, but Sony's pushing because Sony now, desperate to make money on any way that they can offer this IP and they're like, please, we need to make billion dollars again, put in Andrew, put in Toby, let's do it. It looks like Marvel

bent the knee on that one and that's what's going to happen because here is this is just the rumor, but this is the report that was sent to me earlier today. Apparently, the death of the Sony universe was an exaggeration. Sony will never in a million years let go of the Spider-Man IP. The only way

its company gets bought out or the rights get bought for an exorbitant amount of money. But I'll tell you this about Jason, no, Crow, I don't know, I believe what we're going to see him. Oh, I guess we're going to see him in Spider-Man 4. Too many pieces are falling into place at the same time.

We're on the subject matter of the end game for Spider-Man 4. A lot has clearly transpired over the last few days or weeks when it comes to the plot of this film. Doom, Mephisto, Ghostwriter, Croll, Venom, Daredevil, we need to focus on the primary fact that I can trust my source and trust my reporting. Many of those you reading won't believe it

until either the studio or trade confirms it. It could be all those things could be numb, but what I can tell you is what I've been told from my sources and what I have been told is that both Marvel and Sony want this film in particular to be a team-up movie in the way that Marvel produced Deadpool and Wolverine. At the end, goal here is to recapture the same magic and team-up dynamic, but switch out Deadpool and Fox for Spider-Man and Sony.

based on that. Plus the multiverse setting that this film has, it is reasonable to assume that out of the possible team-up options, Tom Hardy's Venom is the most likely option between him, Charles Cox, Daredevil, or any other character. Therefore, having these two characters interact, likely, points to the inclusion of, is it Crow? Crawl, right?

No, no. No, I can't see that. Even in my glasses. Crawl of the 1980s one, yeah. That's right. No, as the final antagonist for these characters, stupid name. Not to mention two of the trusted sources have told me that they are planning to bring back Toby McGuire and Andrew Garfield for a larger participation than they had in No Way Home.

As far as Mephisto and Ghost Rider, I will admit this information is needed new to me as I expected him to appear in Avengers Doomsday, given the inspiration of Avengers Forever for that storyline. But him having a fixation on Spider-Man shouldn't really be a surprise to anyone, especially after the notorious One More Day comic storyline. All right, that's that's, wait, no, there's more. apparently are there any heroes and villains you expect Spider-Man and Venom to come across in their battle against null and the symbiates? I do like the idea of Willem to foe returning, but not as normal. That's just him speculating at this point. All right. Listen, listen, I don't know how much this guy really knows. I never, what I say is, what I don't do is what a lot of people do if it doesn't come from deadline and variety.

A, they don't give people credit for it or they don't think it could be true. It very well could be true. And I think that the idea of that makes sense for, Sony and I don't know if you heard this but we kept having the conversation about whether or not Sony in their deal were allowed to make other Spider-Man movies with Peter Parker and live action yeah from what I heard and I don't know how I don't know this isn't from I heard from somebody on the phone or something right read it or something that they didn't have that deal if that's

the case then these people are morons then they are morons especially to do this let spider man four be a tom holland street level thing and go make three movies with angioux garfield and toby mcguire make spider man four with toby make spider man amazing spider man three and then do a team up with those guys and you can start your own franchise over there unless it doesn't look like that's the that there is a thing in the contract but this is this this this is them just grasping at straws and please let's make a billion dollars so we can make some money yeah it seems like they had this agreement with Marvel. It seems like if you're reading the tea leaves, right?

Like, look, let us get Spider-Man off the ground again because you crap the bed on Spider-Man 3 with Toby and then you crap the bed with Amazing Spider-Man 2 with Andrew. Regardless of some of you like those movies, that was the perception. And so, okay, let's give us a little bit of runway here. Marvel says, give us a little bit of runway to establish, re-establish Spider-Man with Tom Allen. We're going to make it work. They made it work. And now Sony was like, well, now that you made it work, what are we going to do with this?

IP since we can't use Spider-Man. You're Basta's not to confuse people. All right, we're going to create these movies. Well, look at all this money we spent. And really, there was, the only Venom brought us back money, right? And even only the first one, really. And so now we're like, okay, now we want to bring our Spider-Man back. We want to save our universe.

So I guess this is, you know, a conversation between two juggernauts here in Sony and Marvel, figuring out how they can please both masters here and bring back three Spider-Man again for another adventure and in a way probably soft launching toby and Andrew in some format back into the Sony Spider-Man universe and maybe even Miles Morales and then reestablishing the characters that they launched in their Sony Spider-Man universe with Venom and null in the last one and bring that into the MCU so in essence Marvel is sharing the MCU now with Sony if they were to go down this route And I think this is dangerously stupid.

Honestly, on Marvel's part, they don't need to do this. No, they don't. And it scares me that they, you know, you know, what it is. You start working with somebody who constantly makes mistakes. Those mistakes are going to spread to you rather than your successes spreading to that person making a mistake that's making mistakes. So I think it's a bad idea, bro. I think it can be very, look, the flip side to it, I agree with you first of all, But the flip side to it is that if it hits, you have an opportunity, as we've seen with No Way Home, that you can make a lot of money.

You know, you can really do really, really well with this if it fits the story and they put it all together. And I mean, look at Dead Pull and Wolverine. If they're using that as an example. Sure. I mean, No Way Home did well. But the combo did. Both of them. They both of those movies.

And if you're going to do it this way and you think that's what people want and people want to see the member berries and all those types of things and putting all. all together, then it absolutely could work. But I think that by doing it this way, it is a mistake. I think that what Sony can do, and somebody in the comments, how many Spider-Man movies do you want? There's nothing to do.

I'm talking about business-wise, guys. I'm talking about business-wise. You're looking for Sony-wise. Instead of making Craven, and instead of making Madam Webb and stuff, me, all these piss boxes, you say, all right, well, we have the Spider-Man thing. we just didn't know a home it works.

Marvel has done the work for us and created this, you know, multiverse thing that people will say, oh, okay, there's not, there's all these different things. We already included them in the multiverse. So that's how it makes sense with our world. Let's just do that. But instead, they're going to just, you know, they're basically playing craps.

Yeah. And I don't know. I mean, I think, look, I want to see them together. I like them together. But I just feel like I just was bum because I wanted to finally see Tom Holland, And tell me if I'm, if maybe I'll still get this, right? Because it looks like they signed Tom Holland to three more movies, right? Yeah, three more movies.

Yes, yes, yes. So maybe the conversation then is with Rothman and Feigey is like, we really want to do a grounded one. They're like, okay, well, you're going to sign this kid up to another contract here. And eventually you're going to want to get to Miles Morales. Throw us a bone. Do the McGuire and, you know, Toby movie, the Toby movie and the Andrew Garfin movie now.

And then for your second movie, bring it street level. And then in the third movie, you hand it off to Miles. Yeah. I mean, that's a possibility too, right? I think it's a possibility, especially because Tom Holland just signed that massive production deal with Sony, right? So in essence, Tom could be the executive producer of those Spider-Man films going forward, you know, and line his pockets even more and offer creative input in some way for the Miles Morales thing going forward. And I think that would be great for him.

And that seems to make sense. I mean, but nothing tells you that we can't do it ourselves, like asking another company to do it for you. And that's essentially what they're doing. We don't have the guts to launch, or the cachet now, with the fans to launch an Andrew Garfield or Toby McGuire return to Spider-Man. We need to borrow Marvel's cred, the MCU's cred, in order to establish ourselves again with those two characters and go forward.

my concern is that if you include null and venom and possibly madame web and all these other people you've essentially condoned and blessed this sony verse and that is now canon within the mc u and i don't think that makes any business sense at all you know yeah they're not they're not gonna i mean there's no especially from the way that she's spoken out there they're not going to have the coda johnson come back anytime soon fair point but anybody like even bringing tom harding in you're blessing that universe you know yeah they're just justification come back i mean right well the the justification for venom is like well he's the only one that's still allowed over for christmas dinner because he made his money yeah you know what i mean

like so you could see them justifying that one the other ones you then i agree with you it's like you got to really clean it up so i don't know what do you guys think yeah but then you're breaking in my ghostwriter and mephisto and i know i know jeff talked about this on hot mic like he was breaking the Mephisto thing and I and I was like I don't understand Mephisto that's other world I get one day but we haven't established that with Spider-Man at all you know and so oh sorry about that I think that would be so odd to see that happen I guess my flashpoint got mad at me for that I don't blame it but I don't know man it's gonna be it's gonna be interesting to see there's a lot more stuff commandant it could be one of those things that we just say hey we

might have gotten it wrong this is a pretty great movie yeah 100% yeah 100% I'm gonna because we do even know who's directing but who's directing. Who's direct we don't know who's just Destin Daniel Cretton. Yeah, right, right. But we don't know and and who right. What the story is right. And so what it so that's now no wait a minute. Now what did he do recently?

Shong Chi right. Okay. So he's he's used to doing already the big. And that was that was my biggest problem with Shang Chi. Yeah. I like I like the first two acts of Shang Chi very. much when they when they focused in on the father-son relationship and and all those things and and then once they got to the big marvel-esque side of it with the big stupid dragon at the end and all that's when that's lost me i was just like oh this is just the same generic shit that we that we've

been seeing um and i hope that they don't turn spider man into that that's what i hope they don't do oh i don't think so yeah i think destiny don't understand how to uh approach this but the thing is how do you hire the director about having the story that is a very strange thing to me and there's they seem to be very clearly still figuring out the script what characters are involved and i know destined is being obviously being uh is advising all across the board on this but i still think it's weird to hire director before you even have a story does he how do you know you want unless unless they really do have a story and they've been having it for a while and then they're finding it's just things are just starting to come out now oh maybe yeah things kind of leak out possibly what do you guys think

about all this put your comments in there put your thoughts in there whether you're watching on the rewatch whether you're in the live chat right now. Please let us know. Okay, we have tons to talk about still. And then we're going to have a bunch of conversations about the questions that are coming in. But before we do, I got some good deals for you. You still have a couple of days left.

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About how, you know, when I'm wrong, I, you know me. If I say, hey, I'm wrong, I'll say it. I don't have that experience. Yes, yes. You don't have that experience for yourself. That's true. I don't think I've ever heard you say that. But please.

I will say that Luke, one of our producers of the show, yeah, it was pretty adamant. He said, listen, Sonic is going to beat Mufasa. I said, no way. Not going to happen. Mufus is the Lion King 1.2. They would have to have a major, major, Joker 2-like experience in order that to happen.

Well, that's exactly what happened. Funny you should say. Funny you should say, because Sonic not only beat Mufasa, Mufasa had a disastrous opening week. Hedgehog Moll's Lion King in the U.S. Paramount Sonic the Hedgehog 3 dominated the domestic box office this weekend, and while slightly too rosy estimated have cooled a little, it's set to be a strong performer for the next few weeks.

The well-reviewed title snagged 62 million domestically in the pre-Christmas frame, along with nabbing a cinema score in exit polls suggesting it's going to have long legs coming in at a cost-effective 122 that's another reason the film is tracking similar to the previous movies better than the first but not quite a second is not high as the second the film doesn't open overseas until christmas so those numbers aren't in yet the facts were more mixed for mufossum 200 million dollar budget which is a crime uh had a bad domestic 35 million dollar start, a Joker sequel level drop of 82% from the 192 million opening of John Favros had 192 million opening. Wow, John Favro's 2019, the Lion King adaptation. This is a prequel.

That's not good. But overseas may end up saving the film's reputation slightly. The title opened this week in numerous overseas territories and fared well, taking 87.2 million from those marks and pushing the opening weekend global growth to 122 million globally. Even so, that is, pre-release expectations of 50 million domestic, 130 overseas. The film landed a solid A-minus cinema score, and Disney is hoping audiences will turn out over the Christmas break to check it out. Sonic benefits from being a male-oriented blockbuster and family-friendly title in a marketplace, yada, yada, yada.

Let's see, Wicked and Moana 2 are finally both cooling down after stellar runs. Both are performing, though. The Moana sequel, NABA further 13 million domestic and 32 overseas, with Wicked taking in 13.5, domestically 13.2, bringing their totals to $790 million from Oana 2 and 571 for Wicked. Go ahead, John Webb.

It's wow, I'm just surprised. Yeah, and limited release, Brutalist, which I still, it was so funny, I was reading your tweet about the length of movies, and I felt like you were talking to me because four hours being, I'm at home and I still don't want to watch a four-hour movie. I don't care how, I don't care how artistic or not.

I'm like, and I'm sure it's great. I finished September 5th, which I really, really liked a lot. I know this is good, too. Solid movie. I finished a real pain. Yes. Which is a good movie. I like that was fun. I like that. I don't know if I, I don't know if I buy all the nominations for him. But who's got nominated? Who's getting nominated, Kieran? Yeah, they're talking about him for best supporting actor. So he's good in it. But I feel like this is the role he plays all the time now. I was just going to say, it's literally the same thing he played in succession. There's really no difference. And then, watching him in that conversation with Coleman Domingo where he talks about he just rolls out of bed and shows up on set and just does his thing and rolls out. I'm like,

in himself he like this i don't want to give an actor award to that you know it feels like he i mean it feels like he's just good at that thing like he's good he's good at being snarky and he's good and he's good at and you see him in interviews and stuff too he just has that in his personality it's not to take away from the performance it's really good but i don't think he dives too deep into it like i don't know i mean you look at something like what like even though i don't love the movie as much as everybody else does i like i liked it a lot the substance i think demi more 100% deserves a nomination for that yeah she's so good in that movie she's so good now um but anyway that i watched that one did i watch something else i feel like if i

finished something i started uh um the what's the baby girl the Nicole oh yeah the Nicole Kimmel did you watch that you're in for a hell of a thing it's good you liked it i i liked it but it's it's out there okay it's out okay because yeah i got i'm gonna i'm gonna see how how that is she's always banging younger dudes though i am well i mean he's a beautiful woman what can you do do whatever you want to do have a blast hey you can do it go for it i mean i don't think most so's michael douglas all the time banging young women all the time i mean not anymore he can't even stand up in the years ago you need the rest you guys are you know man give him a break um but either way so the but the the box office here um i still think look there's an is there an outside chance

with numbers from overseas that mufasa does beat sonic overseas is it possible i mean without Without, I mean, you got it, the only way that is possible, I don't think it's going to have them, but the only way that it's possible is if the domestic is, if like they say in that article, like they do have that people going, okay, it's Christmas time, we're taking the kids to go see something. We're going to take them to see Mufasa. And then Mufasa gets a big run during the holidays and it has, because that, that's happened before. I know, I know, but I don't, I don't think it's going to happen either. I don't, I don't disagree with your head shake. Yeah, I just, I don't, I don't see the interest overall. online or anywhere where that would be the option. I think they'd take him to go see Sonic three more times before they'd take him to Mufasal once. And it's just, it's not about anything other than it's just not a good movie. Michael Vogel, massive Disney fan texted me over the weekend.

He's like, that movie was not good. And so it's like that's, if even a hardcore Disney fan isn't like in that movie, then that tells you what's going on there. Did you see it? I have not seen it. I don't. I probably will go this week.

I'll probably make myself, go this week and see and i got to see sonic three i have to see sonic two first then watch sonic three but yes i will make myself go see these films but dude like i've said before man when i hear a lot of people not like in a movie i don't have the inclination to go put myself in a theater and see it you should see sonic three sonic three is a very good this i do want to see because it's good it's good i i enjoy that movie a lot um i don't hate mufas the way everybody else does i don't think it's very good i said that you know it's like i do think if you're going to see it though you should see it and i if you are going to see it right there are times that it looks I mean it's times that it's

really looks gorgeous it really does it's just there's just it you know sometimes things don't feel that you know sometimes people go this wasn't necessary and you go everything's necessary if you make it work this does not feel necessary this doesn't feel necessary it doesn't feel like it it just feels like like hey what have we made a prequel to throw a dart what we hit lion king let's make a prequel to lion king and I just think Barry Jenkins was kind of wasted making this movie. I think Barry let us know a few weeks ago where he was about the movie and he tried to cover up what he said and backtrack a little bit, but he said, I don't ever want to make movies like this again. Yeah. And that to me, to me, no matter what he said afterwards,

we tried, oh, we cleared it up. I don't care. People tell the truth when you catch him with their guards down. And he told the truth in that interview and saying like, this was an exhausting experience. I wasn't sure they could really bring out the emotion in certain things. I don't know how they were able to bring out the emotion. It's not a way I want to do films. I like to be able to touch the actors. Like to be able to kind of, you know, craft the performances to fit within the thing I'm trying to tell. And in the end, that's not how he felt. And so to me, I think he knew he didn't have a good film and it did his best to promote it. But it's like Craven, right? What's his face coming out there going, please come see our movie. Please go. It's, you know, separate it. It's like,

those are, those are tells. Those are always tells. Yeah, it is. It's because you can, you know, the tracking and those things, people who are, oh, tracking doesn't mean anything. It's not true. I mean, there's a lot of times that they'll either overshoot or undershoot. That's definitely true also,

but there's a reason that it happens. And I just think that, yeah, I don't know. And I just feel that if you're going to take your family, because overall, the holidays are going to be like family times to go out and see some movies too, right?

So if you're going to, now, and I wonder what kind of competition the Lion King, John Favreau movie had. uh do you can you mind looking that up yeah look it up i wonder what kind of competition it had because sonic on its third movie is hard competition especially when word of mouth isn't great on the other one and if you're and i'm telling you that if you're for a family if you're like okay i'm going to take the kids to go see a movie this weekend what am i going to go take them to see

you're going to be happy that you took them to see sonic because i feel like sonic plays to everyone i think everyone's going to be looking at it going oh yeah you know there was the other thing is that the lion king was also a summer movie um so it did have some competition but um but still was a summer movie and had more time to you know you're going out in the cold and you're going to go see a movie you take the you take the family out to see it you're going to be happy you took them to see sonic because you're going to because it's going to be one of those things that i think everybody's going to play to and i think little kids are going to enjoy muffasa more than everybody you know I mean and that's yeah what you need you need everybody to enjoy it if I'm reading

this right yeah spider-man far from home was still in the theaters when Lion King came out in July of 2019 maybe still different audience toy story four really they went up against each other yeah they were like it was like right on the tail end right because they were they at this point to a story for it already made three and sixty five million dollars domestically then you had yesterday one of my favorite films the Beatles one. Yeah, yeah. Aladdin, the live action Aladdin was still in the stuber.

Right. It was stand about. But what opened up, what opened up that weekend with it though? Because you have a couple of weeks, you know, in the theater. Like that's what I'm curious. Okay. I'll take a look at that. Yeah, because 2000, because I remember all those movies that you're talking about,

they were, they were distance in between themselves. And the question is like, what did it have? Because opening up against Sonic is not putting yourself in the best position. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, that's why that's what I'm saying. I think that for for Mufasi, you're going to lose, you're going to lose people because, you know, it's that one's built more towards, you know, you got to have, you got to put these movies out that everyone can enjoy. And when you're just putting them out, this is like, oh my God, like, you could see like, there are movies that I've taken my kids to that I have like, like, close my eyes and just going to, I'm going to fall asleep now and just we'll let them watch it. And as opposed to like, you know, Sonic, I wouldn't want to fall asleep. And I'd be like, I'd be like, I'm going to, I'm going to watch this for this is literally. everybody to enjoy so nothing else came out against Lion King on that weekend it was a david crosbie documentary and something called loose no competition no competition but the week before it was crawl and stuber the art of self-defense the farewell so nothing and then the week before

that was midsumar and then july second was when spider man far from home came out so no no no family movies really no and then tarantino the next week once upon time on holl over yes no family movies family movies came out so it was a bad this was a bad time to put it against a movie that sonic one sonic two were really beloved and then that third one comes out more hype behind it as opposed to a prequel to the lion king so yeah it may be that they thought this thing would be in consideration for awards so they wanted to drop it in december oh you get barry jenkins a part of it and why wouldn't you want to do that so sure 100 percent you're up on the right all right so you guys what do you think about this what do you feel that well is there a shot that mufasa

can have a comeback, you know, in the way that like Aquaman did. Remember, Aquaman started out rough. And then around this time period, then came back and did fairly well. Can Mufasa do the same thing or no shot in hell? Put your thoughts in there and let us know. One of the more anticipated things that we get coming out next year, John, is and or season two, right? Yeah.

Now, Andor's season one had a pretty healthy budget. I think it was pretty solid for what they were doing as opposed to like Obi-Wan, which had this still baffling. I think it was one of the lowest ones. Well, and or season two is not messing around. Ander season two costs over $291 million. Disney has revealed that the cost of making its highly acclaimed Star Wars streaming series and or has surged to 645 million over its two seasons to date

after it spent a record to 90.9 million in 2023 on filming the show's second season reports Forbes. The outlet has gone through the recently disclosed and publicly filed records, which revealed the number the highest ever annual spending on a Star Wars production. It beats the previous record spend of 280.7 spent on the last. Jedi. The $291 million figure is hardly the final cost for the show's second season. It years the records only cover spending to November 22nd due to the SAG After Strikes. Production on the second season was suspended across the back half of 2023. Shooting then resumed in January this year and wrapped the following month.

That has been followed by a year of post-production with the visual effects added. The first season racked up tens of millions in cost post-production. The second will certainly do the same, but those costs won't publicly be released until the end of the year. Production makes heavy use of practical effects and physical sets, which partly explains the large cost for the filming phase. Production companies filming in the UK have to file annual financial statements due to doing so reveals the cost of streaming shows in terms of production, but not marketing costs. Filming also reveals that the series, sorry, the filings also reveals that the series has received a massive 129.3 million reimbursement in return for filming in the

UK with financial statements confirming the final cost was forecasted to be within the production budget. September came the news that Acklech came in at a cost of 231 for the eight episodes, working out to 28.7 per episode. And our season two comes at a 12 episode count event with more added for post-production and will potentially be close to the acclade on a per episode cost. Yeah, with a lot of difference, though, we'll discuss that in a second. You know, the first thing that I will say, you know, because we're talking about Star Wars and

I want to say this other day, it's, you know, it's hilarious. And I'm sure that you have, you probably get this more than I do. But you either get, you get called either one word or the other when it comes to when you, you're the two positive or too negative or whatever. And I'm going to repeat something that I said on Friday because it was a capes and Cal's thing and it wasn't. And it was a Star Wars thing. But I made this thing. And then someone, recently, every time we talk about Star Wars, all I get it's, oh, it's Star Wars, too negative now. Why don't even talk about it anymore?

And then I saw a comment from some more on the other day. He was like, here goes, Arloff, just promoting. Star Wars and loving Star Wars again. I said, I wrote them back. I wrote them back. I said, you've got to go to one of the meetings. You've missed too many meetings. The meetings now covered the fact that I don't like Star Wars anymore. I don't like it. You got to decide which one I am before you're missing too many meetings. Because you have to understand. But what I said the other day, John, and I don't know if you guys covered this yet, you might not have. Okay. But what I was, what I had been saying to you many times over was how I think that

Star Wars needs a regime change and then nothing's going to happen until they do this, right? And I said on the show the other day that I am going to stop saying that now. Okay. Because my friend Derek Hoffman, who I've known for a very long time. Okay. He was one of the major players at the Richard Donner company, part of Deadpool, X-Men, Legion, like all these different things, worked on a lot. He's been on the show before. He's a great guy.

I've known him for 20 years. here's this is this is derrick's post almost 25 years ago i walked into a bungalow in the fox lot to interview for a pa gig i didn't even know what the movie was as soon as i walked through the door i saw images of characters i'd grown up loving i turned to the guy at the desk next to the door and i asked is this x-man what's going on with colossus and kitty is nightcrawler in it thankfully that guy was kevin feig he took me to meet two people who would change my life dick and Lauren Schuller, Donner have helped me grow as a person and a professional. I often say that they are even better people than they are filmmakers, which is astounding

considering what great filmmakers they are. The lessons learned, the laugh shared, and the relationships formed during my time at the Donner's company deserve more than I give them here and they have prepared me for what is next. I am very honored to say that I have now joined the team at Lucasfilm and I can't wait to help tell stories in a whole new galaxy. Derek Hoffman gets it. Derek Hoffman understands the basis and the understanding of Star Wars.

I've talked to him about Star Wars. Before I left for New York, him and I went to breakfast. I don't know, it had to be 10 times. And he just knows the property. The question is, is he going to be, I'll steal one of the things I hate to say. Is it going to be allowed to cook, is the question, right? And I wonder if that's the case. Now, one of the things they've done very well that I've been very bulk about is Andor, right?

Yes. Now, I hope they continue to do and or. Yeah. And I've been very well. You're watching. You're watching. You're watching. I just want to put some things out.

Yeah. Go ahead. Endor. So we're watching and or. Andor was great. Now, look, the difference in the, they reference how Acklenike costs all that money. Andor, you know, it's going to cost around the same. No, but here's the difference.

Andor, season one, wind up getting a lot. lot of nominations yes a lot of critical acclaim okay and the episodes are closer to an hour right yeah and not not 25 minutes and costing that much money so and you're doing these things in the way that they're putting it together it makes a lot of sense now it's very expensive if it was the first season i would be scratching my head and not understanding why they were doing this right it's the second and final season leading into it's really the only real kind of movie they have until mandolarian and grogoo comes out yeah yeah um i know i'm i'm going to be hypocritical here but i feel tony gilroy and the crew is going to use this money right um and so i am i

i don't give you shit that it's so expensive yeah i could care less i'm like good good make it as expensive as possible that means we're going to get some incredible um special effects some insane scenes and something tells me that they've brought in, you know, like they brought in actors of name and notes, who have been part of the Star Wars universe that are going to now overlap, who are here with the time frame.

And so you've got to pay them. And so to me, this makes all the sense of the world. And because that first season was so good and the track record's so good, they've earned getting this kind of money to go and create what they want to create in season two of Andor.

Look, $250 million for Acolyke, that makes no sense. It's a first-time show and you've got a person who's walking in Star Wars for the first time. It's a hundred. You've got to earn it. You've got to earn the money. And this has earned it after that first season, man.

So to me, I saw this report. I didn't give two craps. All I thought was like, okay, great, when's this thing starting again? Awesome. I can't wait to see it. And I can't wait to see all that money on the screen. That's literally my only reaction. I moved right on.

I just put PLD in time out. Oh, no, what happened? What did he say? Oh, just because it was funny. He was cracking a joke and I wanted to, I returned it by putting him in timeout for five minutes. So there you go. I'm sure he's used to it in life. Yeah, he's, he's been doing great stuff with us.

So we have, um, but you know what? Oh, no. No, stick him in time out. That's right. Leave him there. And or season two is one of my most hyped up things. I cannot wait for it. I'm so excited for that show.

And I'm, and you know, if it's, if that's how much it costs to make the same type of quality that they made in season one, If you said, go going bigger places, Christian. There's got to be more money spent, you know. Yeah, but you know, it's funny. As someone says, well, isn't the indoor viewership below other people? Now, this is the other thing that people don't understand about streaming. This is the difference between, and I've made this clear so many different times. Streaming and movies, if you have like, look at, look at like Joker 2, we'll use an example, right?

Joker 2's opening weekend was a disaster. Yes. Weekend 2. bad news for that for that one so they didn't make their money in that and they lost a lot of money and then that was it it just goes downhill from there streaming doesn't work that way streaming works very differently because people are still watching Battlestar Galactica and finding it now yeah certain platforms because that's the beauty of streaming right so I remember there at one point Battlestar Galactica I think it was a couple years ago was like the number one watch thing on

Netflix or whatever it was on. It was the number one watch thing in the ratings at that point. And or started out people in the same way like, what is this? Who knows what this? If you're subscribed to Disney Plus and you're on it and then you start hearing all of these things about it. People

went back and started watching it. Why do you think that they greenlit or allowed a $290 million budget? If it's like nobody's watching this. Nobody watched this at all. It started out bad. It stayed bad. That's why they canceled acclade it kept going back and down and down and down every week and they couldn't

justify in the same way that you know you can't justify a movie if people even if they really look it like solo a lot of people like solo yeah made shit money you can't justify a sequel on it so if this then and you could probably justify a is like hey look we really like working with tony but nobody's watching that show all right we'll do it he can't do it for as much as you did last time you got to do for like $150 million at the least. But no, you got all the nominations. It got all the sudden. People went back to start watching it.

And guess what? Before season two, people will go back and watch season one again. Oh, yeah, 100%. And look, we just saw this with The Rock and his little Christmas movie. I mean, he was out there crowing about how that film got 50 million views, which broke a massive record for Prime Video on the first day that it was released. So that tells you streaming when you come to it in a certain. way you understand how the model works for you. And certainly with Andor, as you said, Christian,

the amount of people who've come back and rediscovered it, who've, through word of mouth, it's become the diehard of the Star Wars universe in that everything that you do series-wise is compared to Andor or Mandalorian in terms of the style that you're going in, right? If you want a more artistic style and or is your choice. You want a more kind of much more four quadrant friendly, Mandalorian is your choice. So those are the two that have. become the premier series for Star Wars. So it makes all the sense in the world to spend the money to keep going down that path because that'll give you more attention.

That'll give you more awards and people will want to watch in larger numbers. And no way are we going to get the numbers we got in season one. They're going to be much higher. And especially because skeleton crew seems to be being well received overall. That's going to be a nice kind of ramp up to lead us into Andor in a few months. So yeah, it makes all the sense of the world. It makes all the sense in the world. So I'm, I'm excited for it.

I'm looking forward to it. And yeah, I mean, I am. I know that I'm a big advocate for lower budgets, but this one, it's like, hey, you proved that you made, you made it work last time. You made it work. It looked great. And it is probably, it's probably the best thing that they've done.

It is still, I stand by it. It is the best written Star Wars anything since Empire. I agree. I agree. 100%. Okay. So what say you guys? Is this too much?

Is it no, they shouldn't do this. This is way too much money. Put your comments in there only if you've been to the most recent meetings. Okay. The other thing that I want to get to is this. Now look, John, I've been telling you, like, you know my history with Masters of the Universe in human and how like so long, you know, there's, there haven't been any iterations of this thing. From when I was at Silver to anybody else getting a hold to it that I was like, I'm just not excited.

I don't think they understand what they're doing here. here and then when Travis Knight came on I said okay there's a guy this guy gets it I hate the following story okay um Masters universe starts in the real world as Matt Sarah would say boo a new report suggests the upcoming live action he man master universe is going to go an unexpected route Daniel RPK reports at this version Prince Adam isn't a powerful warrior from returnia instead he's a young man stuck in a tedious real world office job on earth boo wow boo boo I'm stealing Sarah's stuff but boo those fantasy tales of team in and he's fucking neo this fantasy tales of team in his battles against

skeletor those are childhood stories this is like hook those are childhood stories Adam growing up when he was little thus the film won't be just the magic battle tale we'll have a self-discovery self i hate this movie you're ready so for the for the character the report comes as the film star nicholas gazeteen posted a photo of his instagram stories just so much shown off how his gym work is going for the role of adam the normally skinny actor look quite i'm not saying that he looked like he was working how you doing bros how you doing that the amazon mGM studio and marvel and mottel film also starts yada yada yada um i hope this is a bullshit rumor okay I told you for so the reason I got to set of for Travis night is for the longest time.

I was like, this is a guy that's going to understand. It's Star Wars meets Lord of the Rings. You're starting a whole entire franchise now on attorney and creating myth and let and they go to Earth. It was the worst part of the stupid Dolph Lundgren thing was once they got offered of attorney and went to Earth. I get it. I get it. I understand. But that's the whole point.

Again, if he's, if he's Neo and he's not, the whole point was that he was taken. to to uh to attorney and his sister and him were split up as boo the fact that he's just there in working in this job on a regular job and then he finds out it's like the hook story yeah boo i i i i love Travis night i hate this story so much this sucks yeah i mean i just don't understand the logic of it all to make it i guess you're trying to relate to people and it relatable and universal by making him human and it's it's almost walking the path of guardians of the galaxy maybe that's the influence here because you take um a star lord you take him peter quill off of earth and you put him with all these people and he has to kind of navigate

the situation then puts together this team on accident so maybe what you're seeing is that that it's a beginning of him on earth and then he discovers this sword or whatever and then this leads him on this adventure, but yeah, man, I don't understand. Why are people so afraid to do fantastical stuff without tying it to Earth in some way? I don't understand. Yeah, it's like take the original lore of people. It just shows no one knows how to crack this thing, man. I'm telling you, I saw it when I was there. It's like we had a great take on it. Justin Marks had a great take on it and it was the idea. And again, basing it somewhere off like what the 2002 Cartoon Network thing did the way that they played with that lore staying on attorney it's a different place different world

it's it's again science magic stay off earth you don't need to do that this is terrible i was so excited for this movie if this is true i am so not excited for this movie anymore this is such a stupid storyline i hate i hate this story so much it sucks and i'm if justin if just if If Travis Knight actually sees this, please, sir, change, change the script. Spend another $100 million on reshoots. Please, just do away with this. This is a terrible idea. This is a terrible idea.

Please, please stop this. Please, I beg of you. Science versus Matt, you do three movies, Lord of the Rings meets Star Wars. That's, yeah. Boo. Don't disagree. Boo. All right.

Last story before we get to the questions here, John. I know you haven't watched this yet, but Arcane is just brilliance. It's just. Yeah, I know. I need to watch. It's pure brilliance, and I love it. So Arcane, I asked my daughter this first. I said, are there any plans to make spinoffs?

She told me yes. Well, that is indeed the truth. Highly acclaimed Netflix animated series Arcane based on the League of Legends Gaming franchise wrapped its run last month after two seasons. At the time, it was indicated that while Arcane might be done, there was not the end for the League of Legends animated adaptations with series co-creator Christian Link, indicating that multiple spinoff shows were in active development. In an exclusive interview with the direct, Luke offered an update on the status of those spin-offs saying they were pretty aggressively developed.

We definitely have a number of products that kind are born out of arcane. We are in the process where we're just developing it. Nothing is in full production yet, but we're pretty aggressively developing a few of them, in particular, that we're just excited about. The Emmy winner also confirmed that only some will be continuations of the arcane storyline. and some of the others are not. We want to tell more stories. Some of the ones that we are developing right now are completely new characters from our IP

and others are a continuation of Arcane. Part of the issues with Arcane was expense. The two seasons cost 250 to produce, making it the most expensive animated series of all time. Nonetheless, it scored a lot of acclaim and is one of the best game-to-screen adaptations ever made, even with the consensus for the second season, not as universally gushing as the first.

I like the first one better, but I did really enjoy the second season a lot. But here's, I'm glad spin-offs are coming. And I want to say more in this world. And I also love that he said that it's not just the arcane storyline, it's other characters. You've gotten my, you've earned my trust. Sure.

You've earned my trust. Give me some new characters. I didn't know who any of these people were beforehand. So you've earned my trust. Do whatever the hell you're going to do, spin it off. Let's get nuts. My question is this, though. Yeah.

Where is the report of turning arc. into a live action. Oh, why are you rushing? What is the rush here? I want to see the movie. What? I want to see a live action movie. The rush is no rush. It's going to take three or four years to make it.

I guess. I just think it's dangerous to, maybe they just want to exist here because they can do more creatively. You haven't seen the movie. You haven't seen the series, though. I haven't. I know your brain. I'm telling you, you see this.

This is cinematic stuff. this is cinematic stuff and you are wrong Phidimator you are wrong nothing needs to be live action you are wrong this needs to be I'll give you sometimes opinions or opinions you are wrong this this

this needs to be a live action eventually it is it is built for live action like the world is built for live action the emotions big huge performances I would love to see and look and the thing is too fans of the animation like myself will say

Oh, it can stay animated, yeah, but guess what? Not everybody loves animated, and not everybody will... Oh, you're right. Now, this is to go with our buddy film animator who lets us know every stream. This is not an animation for kids. This is absolutely not. This is adult-based. But what I will tell you is that not everybody loves animation.

Some people won't even watch it, whether that's right or wrong, they won't even watch it. And I think the story is to be told. I think it's a great story. I think it's a great world. it would really, really be great in live action. All right. All right. I guess I have to see it make up my own mind, but yeah, I, I had, but you know what

could be fun down the road, Chris, and when I finally watch these, which will probably be over the next couple of weeks watching both seasons, is we could like fancast it as a segment on the show, maybe on a slow morning on a Monday in January, we could fancast a live action. Yeah, I would love that. I would love that. Look, my, my wife is someone who just like, she. In that story, the story, I know my wife well enough, that the story of Arcane and with the emotions, the way it's played, if it was live action, my wife would be on board. My daughter's been trying to get my wife to watch it.

My wife won't watch it. She's like, eh, I'm all right. She won't, she won't watch it. There's very few things that she'll watch on animated. But I would love to see it. Nonetheless, that's not the story. The story is that they're going to be doing some spinoff stuff. I'm glad to be living in that world.

And I would say, in where you say, why rush it? I'm talking maybe five years. maybe 10 years to do one whenever it is this is you'll see it you'll see it when you watch it this is a world that can live in uh live so fun do you see norah by the way because i'm gonna i'm gonna address this person super chat later but i just saw some why see no i don't watch the you told me not to watch i don't watch the chat what's going on did you see a nora oh i thought you meant a person who's named a nora yes i saw a nora the movie yes i like this movie i did too that movie and i tweeted this out is hilarious for the most part it's hilarious it's hilarious it's a and so

someone's is definitely not a comedy. I have to push back so hard, so hard that if a person was there, they wind up getting pushed off a cliff because that's how hard I'm pushing back. I think that the ending of the movie clearly not funny. There's some moments in it that aren't funny. And I thought that if this is a pretty woman knock off at first. Because Pretty Woman was a, the original movie Pretty Woman was a drama that it was called 3,000, where the end of the movie, Julie Roberts' character gets kicked out of the car, Richard Gear throws money on her and takes out it was a fantasy in her head. It was a terrible ending. It's fucked up dark movie and then they, you know, then they turned it

into a fairy tale. So when this movie started, I said, oh shit, they're going with the dark version of Pretty Woman is what they're going to do. And I texted Roxy as I'm watching it. And I'm going and I'm texting and I go, this is just a remake of Pretty Woman. And she said, keep watching. And then right after that text, the movie just changes completely. And it's fucking hilarious it's oh yeah it's hilarious it's a funny movie the when the three guys come in yes then it becomes a comedy yes yeah the end the end is pretty you know there's a i'll just say there's a car scene that's pretty not that is not a comedy but just because there's one or two scenes in a movie you can at least say that but for the most part of those that movie i i was laughing

my face off it's hilarious yeah yeah i agree 100 percent i think it's absolutely a comedy Alex, you're wrong. Someone said, Alex is not pretty woman. The first half an hour is 100%. The director even said it. It was like, yeah, we realize we have tons of similarities with pretty woman. And then it changes. But if you're saying the whole movie is not pretty woman, then I agree with you.

But like the first half an hour is clearly pretty woman. Anyway, or the or 3,000, we should say. But it was a really good movie. I liked an or a lot. Yeah, and I thought Mikey Madison was fantastic. I've seen some my fellow critics in these voting boards think that she didn't do anything that was that spectacular. And I'm like, what are you talking about? She was fucking insanely good in this movie.

And I didn't watch better things. The show she was on on FX. So I had no idea who Mikey Madison even was. And I watched this film. And I'm like, this was excellent. She is someone that should be in everything now. She's so good. And it was funny.

I couldn't tell it. There were times. I was like, oh, there's an authentic New York. And sometimes I thought she was overcooking the New York. and but for the most part that she was pretty damn good yeah yeah yeah that's just really good and yury i hope that yury guy gets nominated he was good too he was good too he was good too yeah so it was it was a it was a it was a really good movie and that one might make the top 10 i don't know yet i don't know yet oh i think i would i tell you right now it does it absolutely makes my top

i have to i got to look because i haven't seen everything yet too i was what i was going to do is this thursday i was going to put together my top 10 but i really there are a couple things that i still haven't scene. So I think Thursday what I'm going to do that I normally do the opposite. I'm going to put Thursday. I'm going to put my top 10 most anticipated for 2025. All right. And then I think on Tuesday of next week, I'm going to put on my, um, my top 10 of the year. Right. So. And then we, I'm looking, I'm looking. I think that what I'm going to try to do is one or two things. I'm going to reach out to Dan. Okay. And I'm going to see if we can get, if we can't, I'm going to see we can record it on Monday and if we can't if we do it live is just too hard for that show because

I got to put in all the assets and stuff so I got to figure out how we're going to do it but if Dan even if we put it on the first or second day of January we could do it live just drag PLD out of time out and make him prepare everything ahead of time and put his butt in the fire you know he's been living a little high on the hog on your love of him and he's got to prove it every once in a while and I think him stepping up to the plate yeah and moving quick putting stuff up quick and being on top of stuff, I think, you know, it's a good way to earn his money, earn his keep. Yeah. So you guys, it's so funny because do you know, I don't know if you know this because there's no way, I'm throwing PLD under the bus here. Do you know that every single time

that you are in the lead and if somebody's getting close, do you know that PLD puts super chats in for people to try to beat you? Oh, that's finger on the scale. That should not be allowed. In fact, I should be getting that much. That's, that's finger on the scale. If it, if it was, if it was if if they were winning they were winning by one then I'd say oh I don't know the PLD factor but they usually win by a little bit more than that so that's a shame that he would do that that's that's a lot of anger you need to go to see somebody about that kind of anger man well don't make me come down to Houston and take your wife out to dinner oh stop that oh come on the old outlaw came out

that's right did you by the way did you are you watching skeleton crew uh yes I am yes I am I went through the first four episodes I'm liking it I'm enjoying well it's up no I just haven't seen it since the second one I haven't gone back and watch oh you know what I want to ask you about yeah have you watched celebrity yet oh yeah yeah so I saw Jocobie and so I saw Jacoby and so it was Jacoby Paul and oh my god and Jacob right right yes against Whitney Siebel to hit my wife was it was no Nick it was Nick Jacob and so they went on and so all three men and it was funny because Colin Jost was talking how'd you guys meet and he was and God bless Jacobi started to tell him

about you know the Smodown and how it was and Jost kind of you know threw a joke at it which I was he couldn't it's all you could go with it but I was I was I was happy to see the three guys up there doing yeah maybe they weren't allowed to say the name because I thought it was odd they wouldn't say the name so it's odd but I thought Paul was great and the and Whitney I had no idea first of all I didn't know Whitney was married and so it was kind of fun to see his wife up there yeah I didn't and and then the answers to all the questions. Jacobi. No, no, Whitney.

Whitney was their competition. Whitney Seabold. He was on the other team. Yes. Wait, that is. What you watched this episode at all? Which episode? Maybe you went ahead and watched where Paul and them keep going because the,

spoiler alert, the first episode, I think it's episode seven when they play each other. That's the first round. And he beats Whitney. Oh, I didn't see Whitney in there. So Whitney and his wife and a. a friend of theirs. He met his wife at a party. I think taking care of that friend. That's how he met his wife who was also friends with that girl. And so that's how they got. So we didn't know what they did. Yeah, they acquitted themselves well. And I immediately texted Mike and Shannon was like,

we need to get on there as the geek buddies. But you've got a long running show. They just did a tournament. And maybe they'll do a second season and we'll apply for them. So you'll be the one guy that actually says the name of the show. I will absolutely say the name of the show. Of course I will. I'll even show up in a cowboy. All the movie trivia show are people going to make that show we're going to turn that show into the just moan down round two um not PLD though not he couldn't qualify no poor PLD um all right so let's get into these questions before you john what do you got going on on the channel i got derrick johnson coming back derrick every time pld puts in a super chat put in one for me like i want derrick johnson to be my avatar in this

world i haven't seen derrick in a couple of days you maybe he spent all this money so he's going to take a break uh no uh for me you can always follow me at the Roka says on Twitter and Instagram TikTok, but my YouTube channel, come and hang out with us there. YouTube.com slash John Roka says the outlaw nation. Going to have content all week. We're recording our June prophecy finale review today. We're also going to review the first two episodes of What If Volume 3, which quietly came out yesterday. And then Michael and I will continue reviewing them every day or in a chunk, like maybe two or three at a time. That'll be this week. Obviously, we'll hit Skeleton Crew with Geek Buddies and with Jedi Way. And

we do have a hot mic schedule for this week. So although we're taking, although there'll be Christmas and Christmas Eve, we're not taking a break from the shows. We're going to still continue giving your content this week on the Outlaw Nation. So come hang out with us and subscribe, but not PLD. You can't subscribe.

Your wife can subscribe PLD, but you can't. You stop doing that. What do we say? Vincent Zawatta. Happy holidays. Hope you do a show with Dan and John. Yeah, well, that's the goal. I'm going to reach out to one of the things on my list today is to make sure that I

Yeah, it's both the guys. Now, it's only, it's, it's one of my favorite things to do every year. So it'll be our third year if we can actually get it done. So we want to do it. We've already been texting. All three of us are ready to do it. Just the matter of one. John, you're 50 so far.

So you're setting, you're setting the bar here because only Winston A. Marshall is your competition this week. So you got a good shot to win here. Come on. Hank Pimp. What's Sonyverse movie would you green light? Uncle Ben slash Aunt May romcom for five mill? Lizard body horse.

horror for 25 million or a daily bugle workplace comedy that's it the daily bugle that's it that's it yeah 100% 100% yeah like in the style of the office yeah jay do you want to say jameson is built for that 100% the no brainer go pal can't watch live today well thank you sir but support and congratulations on the big division victory monday for the football team over the hated eagles merry christmas you were tweeting out you're you're counting them out i said yeah because we were playing like crap for a majority to the game. We turn the ball over five times. You can't do that against a premier defense in the NFL and expect to win the game. But somehow, some way, because of the terrible quarterback in play of Kenny Pickett, we were able to come back and win that game thanks to the ice cold Jaden

Daniels. Like he's got ice in his veins, man. He's incredible. So yeah, it's a fun season. Look, I have no expectations for this team. It's just fun. Nobody expected us to be in a position to win 10 games and possibly qualify for the playoffs. So whatever the end result is in the playoffs, care less the fact that we're winning games and in contention is so much fun could not care less okay um all right ewalk that fake AI produced Jurassic World Rebirth trailer where scarjo turns into a dinosaur is hilarious good to know that AI has a sense of humor I heard about it didn't see that did you see it no I did I try not to see that kind of stuff you know because it's like you're in a way given in a view you're actually condoning people using AI to do these kinds of things I don't know if I'm 100

percent there yet but i probably will peep i saw the still images on social media but i didn't watch it so yeah yeah it's i haven't seen it all right uh tom hanks john you can get xbox series s for 250 to play all digital games if you want to play that indie game sooner before ps5 releases or game pass for 20 yeah game pass is is what i have but i didn't actually bought the game but game pass i think it is available on game pass you put 20 bucks a month for game pass you can play a whole bunch of games and stuff. I thought you could only play it on the Xbox series X. You can play on the Xbox Series S. Oh, that changes my own perception. That's what he says. Mike Joyce, happy Festus. Thanks, Mike.

Hey. What was your biggest grievance and feat of strength this year? Consider a donation to the human fund. Money for people. Thank you. Biggest grievance and fear. Well, I guess I guess as the, I guess the biggest, I don't know, it was grieving. I mean, look, leaving my friends in L.A. was tough to do, you know, That was hard to do, but like this, and I guess the same idea with the, the feet of strength was also picking up and saying, look, this is going to be a better move for my family and I. And even though I had to scrape ice off my car this morning, it was, it was worth it. Yeah, good point. How about yourself?

Biggest grievance. I don't know. The fact that people still want to put some toxic content on your YouTube channel and in their comment section, that's always going to be my biggest grievance, I think. And of course, me and my personal opinion, the election, but that's my own feelings. And the biggest feat of strength, I think to keep going. Like really, honestly, this was a tough year for me emotionally and mental health-wise. And the fact that I keep going every week, it's a feat of strength every week to keep going. And thankfully, I have an awesome support system.

And so, yeah, I think that would be my feet of strength. There you go. Next one is for my choice. Mads Mickle Lion was too good for a kid's movie. He was, and I'm telling you, I want people to be. hear that see that song bye bye did i tell you this john were you on the show when i talked about this i don't think so what is this so he um i've talked about a two or three times already but like that's mickleson yeah mads mickleson is a is the villain in muffosa he's like this like this

pale white lion he's pretty terrifying right but the one song that he sings just doesn't fit the character the song's fine i guess but it just he's like and then i blah blah blah and then after i I beat you I say bye bye bye it's so weird is a bye bye I hate it like Joyce I don't think any movie made me laugh more than Sonic 3 this year it's so wonderfully absurd I hope Jim Carrey never retires he's not gonna retire in the same with I like that he's coming back brother you know he's not retiring because he's this is why I say just only when people say they were like Quint Tarantino ain't retiring it's like Dean Daniel de Lewis said he was gonna retire he's coming back for his son's thing

right he Unless you're unless you just physically it's like Jean Hackman I understand Gene Hackman's got to retire I get it But he's got too old he's too old but it's like you don't I mean Clint East one isn't retired and he's like 175 years old it's like yeah so there's no So stop there's stuff saying I'm retiring. I'm only 91 you bastard I know I like that juror movie though hey It was good it's a good movie it's a good movie armada the saturnet life parking bit last week was great is that oh my god on this Saturday. I loved it. Sorry,

Chris, I cut you up. It's okay. The only thing that I saw from the show so far was the joke trading between Jost and Trey, which was hilarious. Getting scarlet in on that. Oh my God.

I was so surprised. Yeah, no, it was a good one. I thought the Grinch sketch was funny, but that opening parking sketch was fantastic. Absolutely. I have been in that car before on both sides of that situation.

That was so well done. So well. And Melissa McCarthy, of course, as she always does, steals, stole that sketch at the end. She's so good. Okay. So that was from, that was from this week? Yeah, yeah, S&L. Yeah, they brought out the big guns.

Okay. For SNL, because it was five-timers club. So like, haxed. Oh, okay, that makes sense. Armada. Also, Christian, are you going to, let's see, are you going to be a big shot and interview Dice? Listen, I can get Dice on the show.

I'd love to. Come on. Why not? Please let me come on for five minutes on that. And you've been obsessed with his Instagram, having you? I love Dice. Come on. And you love his Instagram.

I do. I love his Instagram. It is actually, it really is the best thing going. 55 questions right now. They're going to, putting up this battle between you and Winston. Very curious to see how he's going to do without Koi this week.

We'll see. We'll see. No, Koy, just Winston. So it's one on one. His own white lion. Go ahead. One on one with a great one. JJ Skywalker.

Do you guys still collect Blu-rays 4Ks? So the answer is not as much as I used to. I still have the like a I gave away a lot when I moved but I have but I give a lot to JTE actually that's when I knew Snyder stole stole I told him that I knew Snyder stole the belt haven't come you know when he was on the show we talked about that Jeremy Ellen White thing I should have confronted him about that because he lied to me right to his face when I asked him about it but anyway so what I was going to say I do when they come in I I love them, but I don't really pursue them as much as I used to.

But I think that they're very important for people to collect. I'm much more selective, that's for sure, but I do still collect. I mean, I just got the wild robot on 4K. So I still collect them, but they have to be at a certain price range for me to get them. And I certainly wait for the criteria and half off sale, and I'll buy classic movies and foreign movies that I really want to see on that level. So I do still collect them. Not anywhere near as like Christian said, as much as I used to, but I certainly do still do it.

All right, let's see, next one here. And that is from Aaron Cole. Mufasa had a good story at its core and great music. But it had trouble keeping me invested. Same. Would have benefited from a 90 to 100 minute runtime like the original and some restraint with fewer flash forward scenes. I can't disagree with it.

I think I completely understand how you come up with that. I think, yeah, John, I know you haven't seen it, so it's hard for you to stay there. but I'm very curious what you're going to say. How long is it? Is it two hours? I think it's like two hours. Yeah. Oh my God. Aaron Cole. Sonic 3 was a fun ride start to finish.

Agree. Matt Sinister McCall. Beth Snyder. Red One is a great movie with weed. Via. Watch it with Vaya. Anthony Roybal. If Big Balls doesn't return, we riot.

Merry Christmas. He is going to return. He is going to return. And I got to just... Not on my face. He won't. I just got to get him. I just got to get him back.

But we have the equipment because of one of our wonderful, wonderful listeners, we have the equipment to get him back and just a matter of setting it up. It will happen hopefully under the break. We'll see. So this is Dan. Did you see the reports about Andor's budget? Wow. Yes, we discussed that earlier for sure.

And then Jason Crosby just putting in Roka needs a support there. Uh-oh, Roker needs to win. What does he say? Wroka needs to win. Come on, guys. trying to get you to win. And then we get to Aaron Caranza. When's Brett and John Roker going to shave their head

and wear their blue bracelets? L-O-U-S-A-U-Sate. What does that mean? Oh, I don't know. Oh, it's probably some Trump reference because he's got a small penis, this guy. But what if it wasn't? I said something mean about Brett and John.

My dick is going to grow now. Wait, but what if it wasn't? What if that's not what it means? I'm sure it's what it means. The blue bracelet thing is, an indication because women were wearing that to tell black women that they voted for for uh kamala instead of trump oh he's sad but i this you guys are sad like i i'm so i feel so bad for you like it's like it just felt yeah but he's getting you worked up he's winning

no no but this is not you know me i'm latino this is nothing this is like level one you know me spice this is whitey sense say 72 christian any thoughts on the issues with shemeek more and do you think this is will affect the spider-rars film i'll be honest with you this is this is this is this is this is this is is how this is where I've where I've gone now in the world with this okay so I saw this stuff floating around on social media and I said oh what's this and then I got bored with it and I said I'm not dealing with this anymore I don't you know it's more drama that I'm sure other people are going to cover I don't I'm not getting I see he removed himself from the thing you got called crazy I said I said I don't know what it is I and I'm out and someone's

well they're going to cancel Spider-Man now because of it I'd say well are they or can they just recast them I don't know they're not going to cancel either and they're not going to recast. There's way too much money involved in this. Well, because he, he essentially when Josh Allen, quarterback of the bills and Haley Steinfeld got engaged, he made some comment that people took and posted things that people took to mean that like he was hurt, that she didn't choose him to be with him and he'd quietly been about her. And then he made some comment about another woman. I think he was married. And she said, hey, man, I'm not messing with you. I'm married. And then he got,

destroyed for that. And so he took his social media down because of that situation. This is another reason why I just tell people, stop tweeting. Stop posting. Is what Krishna said to me a few weeks ago, and I've thought about it occasionally when, you know, I haven't been tweeted quite in the same level before, but he's like, if you look at your Twitter like a gun, how do you use your bullets? And so with Chameek, I agree with people who are really, really famous, I don't understand why you tweet about anything other than your project. Like honestly, it makes no sense to me to do anything other because you open yourself up for for attacks and if political stuff that makes sense because

that's your point of view your morals your ethics i understand that but going after someone who got engaged or or being thirsty about a i don't understand that logic at all um mad sinister mccall the men who body shamed sidney or blind who was doing that yeah there were people coming after sydney because there were some bathing suit pictures that were posted and people were like saying oh see this is of course they were probably all fat pimply faced 45 year old men and their basement going like oh she's not attractive look at her this is hollywood lying to you about the beauty of women again and and all this stuff and sadly she responded sadly she posted pictures where she's thin it looks thinner and it's like there's no they shouldn't even cater

those people you know they're just sad sad guys yeah there's too many sad men in the world man man you all got to grow up but just just don't just don't post just don't don't post about yeah um they want the attention i know chris minor hope you both have a safe and happy Festivist thank you Chris. When is the when is the poll when are we doing the poll festivist let's go let's see uh next one here and we're at 60 already johns pretty damn good for the half an hour to go pretty damn good yeah i mean i'm trying to get to the next one here we have a thank you to everybody who's been chiming in the day before so just to let everybody know what while i look for the next question here my schedule this week is going to be today is

the live show with john obviously tomorrow's going to be my interview with sean gun That goes up tomorrow. Nice. Friday, Christmas Day. I'm releasing my Avengers movie reaction with Sam. We just released Captain America, which people are enjoying. And then I think then Friday will be, or did I say Thursday? No, Thursday is the most anticipated.

And then Friday is live with Winston. So that's this week's schedule. Aaron Caranza, finally getting to watch the show live. Love you, Christian. The interviews are great. Thank you, Aaron. You bring common sense and level-headedness to these knucklehead. Thanks man appreciate and by knuckleheads he means roka I'm sure he does

Yeah top dog he's not a knucklehead right who because he's not a knucklehead Hey no way thanks maybe no I'm talking Aaron oh I don't think he was calling you knucklehead though I think he was talking I know he's just my top dog rig if Toby and Andrew came back I hope they feel like their actual characters from their movies and less like the actor cameos my only criticism of no way home yeah I mean I didn't feel that way but I can understand if you want to seem like step it up a little bit more like they are the characters. Yeah, I went back forward with somebody over the week.

Can I remember who it was a friend of mine, and I was going back and forth on them about it because they thought the Toby McGuire thing didn't work. And I'm like, how can you see the scene with him and Alfred Molina on the walkway during the big fight and tell me that you didn't get any emotion from that? I was in tears because I love those Spider-Man movies and seeing the interaction with him and Molina,

which was a tragic villain in that second movie. So I don't understand people say that. I thought it was great those two guys. Anthony Roybal. If Venom comes back, it has to be as a bad guy. I mean, we haven't seen him be a bad guy in a while. No way Hardy comes back as a bad guy. I don't think so either.

Casual scroll. Penny Parker, sci-fi live action would be cool to see. Nicholas Cage as noir live action. How about Oscar Isaac Spider-Man 2099? Sony could literally build franchise them for all these Spider- Heroes. Well, they're doing live action, Nicholas Cage. Yeah, the series, yeah. They're doing the series live action with Nicholas.

So I think maybe they'll start with that and say, so it is, is that a son, it's got to be Sony property, isn't it? Oh, yeah, totally. Yeah, it's what caused the problem with Lord and Miller. Like, they're arguing, the rumors are that they argued over the budget. And I think that's why Lord and Miller like canceled their deal with, with Sony. But I think it's more a matter that Sony's brand was tainting Spider-Man. So anything connected to Spider-Man was going to taint them as well, you know,

interesting, except for Spider-Bers, of course. Karen, Vander, Mahi. Oh, yeah, you care. Hi, guys. Did you see that the super slash man Christopher Reeve documentary didn't earn an Oscar nomination? That's just sad. I don't get that. How did they not get nominated?

It's so ridiculous. I don't know where. I mean, the same thing with still, the Michael J. Fox one. Like, I don't understand this. Yeah, it's another one too. Yeah, I don't understand this approach. Like, this is Hollywood. Aren't you not, do you not want this?

Whatever, whatever the rules may be that it didn't get a nomination and still, they need to change those rules. It's, it's really frustrating because there's a, beautiful documentaries and no offense to the 45th documentary about what happened at the holocaust like and i think that's super important to have as documentaries but i also think these stories that appeal to wide massive people who are into it i think they because they're done really well i think those have to be considered to be put in the mix as well it's super frustrating to see this kind of stuff um all right next one and this one comes in from jango blackfire hey guys i know it's a long shot but can you

get Dan Merle on a Monday live with John, maybe in January, movie trivia, Shmodown crew unite for one live. I mean, Schmodeon crew would be like 75 to 100 people on one episode. But haven't, look, John, I think that that's what makes the yearly one special, though, too, is because you look forward to seeing the three of us kind of breaking down and talking about it's been like, it's been a year. I mean, has it been a year since you talked with Dan? No, no, we texted, you know, because stuff, you know, personal stuff has happened. So we've texted. But yeah, no, we don't keep up with each. other in the frequency that we did before he left LA and you know because we all have things we're

doing and we all go on but I would love to do a live show in person in New York sometime with the three of us in the summer fun. That would be a lot of fun. I'd be down with that for sure. Like a summer movie season preview or whatever. I'd want to do one though if we do one which which we should we need to give it two or three months time and I want to do one with like two or three hundred people in the audience. I mean oh yeah fun to do like the 50 60 people and that's fun but I I want to do like a big, huge, like, thing. I guarantee you. If the three of us come together to do something,

we will get 300 people in that auditorium. I guarantee you. I hope so. First rate, Nate, at least regarding the cost of Andor, we are getting 12 episodes and each are 45 minutes or longer and look movie quality, which cannot be said about Ackleit, which was 340 million for only six to 30 minute episodes, and it did not look film quality.

Agreed. Agreed. I threw that last part in there, but still. Hank Pimp. Sonic 2 is the only movie so awful that I walked out during it. Really? Interesting. Sonic 2. Interesting. What's some movies that are so bad that you had to leave?

I love the sex in the city two story. That's the one I always tell, right? That one is the one we walk out of. And I'll never forget that. Get out of there, man. Get out of there. And I finally left. But the other one was, what's that movie?

Shit, I can remember. I can't remember the name of it. I got to ask Ellis. What's a movie you walked out of? Batman or Robin? and I've still never finished it. And Turner and Hooch, I just never liked that. Whoa, you walked out of Turner and Hooch?

That was so bad. It was so bad. I know people love that movie. I just didn't feel it. Yeah, never heard of that. It was 10,000 BC. I think that was the name of it. 10,000 BC. Oh, yeah, that one with the guy trying to save him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember that one. I think so. Was that the one? Maybe it wasn't 10,000 BC. It was the one, it was a comedy.

It was it alpha? Was it alpha? No. It was a comedy? It was a comedy? I can't remember what it was year one was it year one the the Michael Sarah Danny McBride one with Jack Black maybe that's what it was maybe was year one so Sonic three came this is from Brian O'Neill Sonic three came out here in Ireland this weekend and the amount of parents on their phones was disgraceful that is pro plop their kids down and stop giving I hate that I hate that it's like don't take

them the movies then don't take them to the movies because you'd be on your phone and because it's just I I hate and you think it's bad now you think it's bad now Wait, wait until like 20 years when the generation that's like doing it, you know, when they're, when they have kids, they're going to be, it's just going to be something that they do anyway and they're going to be used to it. And everybody's going to be doing it. It's, yeah, it's going to be a nightmare. I hope there's going to be a future where, like, you can sit in a cubicle and watch the movie and not like see anybody else. That's what I would like. Probably be virtual.

It's a theater experience. I feel like the virtual thing is really going to change. Because right now, as much as I love, like, you know, the meta quest and all that stuff, it's like you still got to have that big chunky thing on your head. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Eventually, you're going to have a thing that just, and then the whole thing just it's why, like, I don't know how much you pay attention to the simulation theory thing. It's like it's, it becomes more, do you, have you ever heard of that theory?

Simulation theory? Are you going to still going down a rabbit hole here? No, just look it up. Look up simulation theory. It's, it's one that even Neil deGress Tyson takes seriously, but just take a look at it. I don't know what I, I don't know what I believe in it, but I'm just telling you, take a look at it. All right. Motor rolling.

What's up, Joey? Merry Christmas to all that celebrate. Christian and Roker two favorite WWE matches of the year and hopes for 2025 when it comes to your personal channels. Well, for the year, hard for me to say because I think that the last, I kind of, I didn't watch as much towards a second half. First half I watched more. I will tell you that I did watch the CM Punk, Drew McIntyre match. I probably put that up there. So good.

And then I probably put the, was it, no, Ray Ripley. charlotte flair was last year so there was was it rhea rippley and um and i think that she had a good match to live i can't remember but yeah it was the summer slam no well which is the one at resslmania who did who did is that was that charlotte flare who did she who did rhea yeah it was live in live in ria yeah at russia mania yeah at russomia yeah it was russomerslam was it no she won the wait i can't remember well bailey versus eo was ressomania for the title that for the that side of the title right yeah i thought she kept the maybe not rhea because maybe she was hurt no she got hurt after russomani she fought a russomani but who did she who did she

she won the title last year okay i can't remember but but that that's that's that's one who's who are your two that i would say my top two are the the um the um wrestlemania match with cody and roman because of the whole of the hype around in the way it ended and then i would say the punk and um McIntyre hell in a cell match that was that was vintage punk going all the way back in the time machine and McIntyre just meeting him at that level it was incredible what they did together man yeah yeah it was a good one uh Becky rea fought Becky Lynch oh okay that was a good one I don't know if I think I'd probably take Johns over the Cody and Roman a Rago with interstellar opening two big IMAX numbers and taking that number one spot is there an old

a recent movie you would like to see an imax re-released inception oh another nolan yeah yeah yeah that movie is great i don't know i mean we've seen matrix come out in and imax already pretty much all the big ones have come out in imax already 2001 apocalypse now yeah i don't know if there's a big one that i'd necessarily won't see an i max over the last few years all right i'd have to think about let me think about all right uh let's see ronetta what's up fellas sonic three was a blast jim carrie was hilarious My son and I had a lot of fun. I love that. We'll see Mufossi this coming weekend as well as Nosephrates.

Definitely don't take a kid to see that one. That Superman trailer was phenomenal. It can't wait. Yeah, we haven't really talked. What did you think about the Superman trailer, John? I wouldn't talk to you about it. Oh, the Superman trail. Yeah, I loved it.

I thought it was really good. And I think James Gunn's doing something right. If you're pissing off the Snyder Bros and the Christopher Reeves bros, then you're doing something right, in my opinion. Because you're walking that line, you're creating a more grounded Superman that feels realistic while also keeping the mythology and the fantastical nature of it all with all those heroes. So I thought I had no issues with the color, all these professional color graders out of nowhere. I had no issue with that. And I think I'm really excited to see what he's going to do.

That being said, I also give a lot of credence to Jeff's reports that he's hearing about some of the troubles behind the scenes. If you guys don't know about that, go into the Insnyder.com. Jeff's got a little bit of a report on that. And so I hope at the end, by the time, comes out they nail it but the trailer trailer trailer look great uh buster barns creature commandos was renewed for season two let's go that's pretty good yeah so it looks like it's doing pretty well for what they when they're when you're looking at it is it also is different when it comes to animation where the the numbers from like a live action with the do an animation of different goals you got to set and it looks like they hit those goals and then some 100% yeah uh

brian o'neal rewatch dune 2 on saturday and i still don't like it but I understand do in prophecy and it might be the best series since Game of Thrones. Hey, more power to you. Hope season two. Yeah, you watched the finale this morning. It was good. Yeah, you watched the finale. It was good. I'm still, that one I'm, that one I'll probably get to before I finish skeleton crew. I'll be honest. Okay. Yeah. The finale's an hour and 15 minutes. It's a pretty chunky finale. Fine with that as long as I care. Yeah. Mavith, the Reaper. Hey, I love you outlaw and Christian. I was wondering, have you predicted Avengers doomsday box office numbers? I know it's early, but my hype is unreal. No, because, I don't think that I'll do that yet because they have movies that are leading up to them first that helps that overall prediction. Because if right now, there's no, there's really no big, like, I don't know what the story is in the MCU right now. Like I knew what the story was leading up to phase three.

It's like, okay, here comes this lunatic looking for this gauntlet. And everybody's trying to get, you know, together and find out of these Tassaracts and joining up the task record, everything else trying to join up and everything is fitting together. I knew what the story was. Yeah. What's the story right now? I don't know what it is. A good point. And I just know it's about multiverse. And they don't even know because of Kang and all that. So I've got to see what happens in 2025 before I even make a prediction on that. I don't know how you feel, John. Three billion. Three billion. I think that's my prediction. You're crazy. I think two and a half billion at least. If they nail it all right, I think.

to an half billion at least that's what i even if even if captain america thunderbolts and fantastic four underperform yes because you're bringing back the old people and people have a curiosity to see downy junior it was announced last week right that chris or a week and a half ago chris evans then haley atwell's been announced so people have a curiosity to see how you're going to bring back all of these people won't be surprised if scarlet comes back and jeremy renner and like Everybody. So to me, I think that's going to override anything before because and also it's the Russo brothers and people have faith in the Russo brothers and they're not directing the other films, just the Avengers films. And I think people have a faith in those guys when it comes to the Marvel universe that is going to override anything that might be underperforming or didn't need a petition. You think it's going to make $2.5 million.

Wow. Two and a billion. Yes. A million. Sorry. Mad Sinister. Team Roka and Roxy. No super chats for Koi boy.

Corey's not in here. So it's only, it's only Roker versus Winston this week. Carlton Rutter, London Calling. No question today. Just want to wish you both a fantastic Christmas. And here's to a great 2025 of the movies. Thank you to both. Thank you to Carlton. Same to you, Carlton. And much left you, family, Carlton. Yes. Casual scroll. I saw an aura last night. Definitely. Oh, what an idiot I am. Before, what an idiot I am. Before when I remember I brought that up when he said, this person said, this is why I don't glance. at the chat and I gotta wait to the questions because he wrote Saw Nora last night definitely a comedy not definitely not a comedy so he was agreeing with us oh yeah

Eric Krempa after your master's universe story I had this thought for years I'm around your ages and Roka actually dropped the name by accident earlier I would love to see a remake of crawl talk about Lord of the Rings meet Star Wars yeah this is what because and people and that's what people I've saw it in the studio system they do this all the time and there's and there's so many morons that are working in the studio system that they see well it didn't do well back then it won't do well now it's like no it didn't do well back then because it wasn't approached right if you approach a story from a different point of view with different writers and different directors doesn't necessarily mean it's going to work but you can go for a different take on it and i think

that i would that would be great for them i'm surprised they even tried to to remake that movie yeah yeah i'm surprised as well because and i didn't drop it accidentally i was just trying to correct Christian on that. But yeah, I think it's, I would love to see that. And these old 80s films that were closet, like fun, guilty pleasures from that time, there's a way to update them to make them a lot of fun. And so I think crawl would be one of those first ones up for that for sure. Retro Rebels.

I love to see the DC characters get the love and intention they deserve. Hey, Roba, loving that Jeff John's, Jeff John's Green Leonard Rebirth absolutely behind you. Oh, wait, I love that. Sorry. I'm loving that Jeff Johns Greenland and rebirth absolute behind you, sir. I got that out. I love that. I love that run.

Run. So much fun. Yeah. Casual scroll. Casual scroll. No, no, no.

I said it was a comedy. Taras was hilarious. Yes, you did casual scroll. Sorry. Sorry. You absolutely did. Retro rebels.

Roka. It seems like you're the only one talking about the Sheridan verse. How are you liking Landman? I think it's top tier. I agree. I can't wait for Madison and Empire under the summer moon. Yeah, man, I've been a recent convert to the Taylor Sheridan universe, and I'm loving it because people think it's a red state thing. He walks the line. He walks the middle between both, calls out both, gives credit to both sides. I love that. It takes a certain amount of guts to do that

and present it in a certain way. And I think this is, like I said, what Christian and I've said before, right, the middle needs to be celebrated more. People who walk the middle need to be celebrated, more and I like that he does that with his stuff. Lamb Man is great. And all the criticisms people are having about the female characters, these people are clearly not watching the show. There's reasons for why the mother and daughter act the way that they do, and you've got a kick-ass female lawyer handling her business who's in her 20s.

So it's like these kinds of things, people are just wanting to attack because they're wanting to cry from the outside without having watched this stuff, especially a lot of nerd writers who have no concept of what it's like to have a masculine show and actually deal with masculine shows that also have strong women who have multifaceted emotional experiences in the world. And Lioness is another one that is absolutely top tier with a diverse cast, with women leading the way, badass women leading the way.

And so, yeah, I'm loving Landman a lot. I'm looking forward to what's coming next. And I'll catch up on 1823 and 19, 1883 and 1923 here in the next few weeks as well. Those are my two. Those are the ones that I've watched. I know, you told me how great they are, yeah. Yeah, I really, really dug it. Brian O'Neill, live action arcane film could have the show cast.

Haley Steinfeld, Ella Pernell, Katie Long, Harry Lloyd, and Kevin Alejandro are all terrific actors. Yeah, I mean, they really are. I would love that. And I just really think it could work as a live action. I want to. Motor rolling, arcane talk. If it is live action, should Haley and Ella keep their roles as Vine and Jinks? Angela, Angela Bassett for Embesa is my fancast.

Angela Bassett would be great. The problem is, though, I think Embessa at that point, it's just I wonder if she could, age-wise, I wonder if it'll work out because you got, dude, you got to see that, I mean, the character of Ambessie is, is no joke. You've got to find somebody pretty jacked also. And I think in like maybe early 50s,

yeah, I would say. But I'm telling you, even bringing that up, you see people starting to get excited about that. Haley and Ella, the same thing. The question is when they make it. If they made the movies today or within the next five years, definitely. I'm curious, though. Mave at the Reaper.

I'm donating in to help the outlaw. People try to lay out. It's 78. All right. It's 78. Look, none of them from PLD. What does that tell you? That's a shame.

Maybe he will. Maybe he would have if you didn't, you know, make inappropriate advances at his way. Because he had done it for the last year, at least once. Come on. Retro Rebels. Roka, it seems like you're the only one talking about the Sheridan. Wait, we said that. We had that one already.

How did that happen? Did that go in twice? That's Sinister McCall. IMDB has strange darling and kill as 2023 movies, but they were released in 24. Can I use them for my top 10? What movies do you still need to see in 24? Well, I haven't seen either one of those. And I probably, a strange darling I'll probably see because I hear good things about that one.

Um, my next one on my list is the brutal list. It'll probably take me six months to watch it. But I'll probably watch it. That's my next one I'm going to start. Yeah. But yeah, other ones and I got to see. I got to look at what, what are the ones? Maria I haven't seen.

I don't know if that'll make my top list. I'll probably watch that after my makeup as I can't imagine it's going to my top list. Maybe I'm wrong. Did you see Maria? Maria. Oh, yeah, the Maria Callis one. I have not seen that one yet.

I don't think that's going to make my top 10. I mean, I can be wrong. but uh but offense to angela joel my wife started watching and she wasn't a fan of it so i don't know this is me anything i'm always not a fan of anything um she's every time she's watching every since she's a majority of these movies that i'm watching she just comes in she's like what's this shit i'm like this is september 5th talking about it's great went down a real rabbit hole with that after i watched it though to start looking at the real real footage what about better man oh is that a good one that's the yeah it's getting a lot of good love uh blitz

yeah what about the bob dillon film did you see the bob dillan that's in my top 10 come on yeah that's such that's in my top 10 maybe my top five wow yeah I love that I love that movie Conclave you watched right no that's one I got to watch to those you come on buddy conclave conclave and brutal is somewhere next to what about amelia Perez that you watch amelia Perez I don't think that one's gonna be for me but I'll watch it I have a hat I have a hat I gotta be honest I gotta be honest with you I don't think it's for you either yeah yeah I'll be honest with all right let's say casual What a season finale for Dune Prophecy?

Wow, I guess it's pretty good. You like that one, I'm working. Yeah, I'm not watching that one. I'll watch it. I'll watch that. It's only going to make top 10. Yeah, probably. Yeah, so I only got to watch.

I'm going to watch movies that I think are going to make my top 10. What a season finale for Dune Prophecy. Wow. I mean, I didn't see it yet. So I'll let you know if I feel the same. Oh, you got to watch the order. That's the other one, too. The white supremacist.

one with Nicholas Holton oh yeah I heard that one's good I'll watch that one okay great things okay Ethan Barron sits Creek a few weeks ago I thank Christian and Steph for all the years of entertainment and sibling bonding that I've had because of your shows I love that I'd like to extend that to John as well thank you outlaw outlaw nation thank you very much that's very kind of yeah it's very good in the same breath with Christian and Steph is an honor so thank you Matt Thomas woman know the the resurgence of Matt Thomas I like my I I I take my godson to a movie once a month i asked to see sonic three first time i had to use the veto

system put in place average pacific room two series that ain't for me uh what wait so oh you the series ain't for me with the sonic sonic isn't that what he's saying sounds like it is in the frame yeah okay yeah that's that's that's interesting but it's funny i heard there's only a couple people i've heard who haven't liked it's all been in this chat today yeah Ethan uh baron back again john the xbox game pass works on series x series s and pc phones browsers pretty much anything you can buy the game pass for 20 dollars a month and you can play it anywhere okay there you go i'm taking a look right now all right korean emperor uh friday surprise show spill christians tequila is that on friday oh yeah the be saying to have me join suspicility keel with christian and and and with Winston on it

yeah then you can and then you're going to win guaranteed win you guarantee win you guarantee when you do it that way uh top dog rig i saw the substance last night and i loved it until that ending yeah it's the same way i felt what other movies came to mind that you really enjoy with the ending kind of ruined it for you merry big balls christmas to all um yeah it was uh i think it was uh that's the last one that i remember i'm ending wise i have to think about it but man i um yeah it was that movie because i was really i was loving that movie in the ending i was like yeah um but what about you is there a movie that pops up for you yeah Hancock remember like oh yes that's a good ending you're like what's yeah and they frustrate the piss out of me for sure

um uh what war which would wolverine the wolverine one yeah uh yeah that one the mangold did because they came in and he had it back on that ending oh what's what's this story with with stephen a smith saying that he could knock out jo rogan what's this you see this have you seen this two blowhards yelling at themselves i don't care this it's just i guess stephen a smith said that he recently claimed he could knock out jo rogan i don't think that's a smart move though by stephen joe rogan would use him as a toothpick to see joar rogan's kicks i've seen joan in person he is intimidating that's not uh that's not something stepheny smiths should do uh jim one mufasa feels it could be another solo or light year no well more more i'd say more

so on the solo side of things because like here remember when I saw light year originally I was like oh this is pretty interesting but it was like it it out of rewatch in that movie it's it's fairly dull and yeah and I remember also and I was right about this watching the first time I was like I don't think that my at the time she was five I don't think my five year old will follow this and enjoy it and she's bored out of her mind I don't think she'd be bored during mufasa yeah yeah Solo was just solo to me the second half of solo is much better than the first half. Yeah, I agree with that. Yeah.

I'll agree with that. Yeah, Stephen A said he was talking to complex, Natasha's stomping grounds. He said, let me be clear. If my right hand connects with the legend Joe Rogan, all due respect, he's getting knocked out people. Oh, please. If my left, right.

Okay, sure. If I started throwing cement at somebody, if one of them hits, it's going to knock them out. Yeah. all right uh mad he's on ozempic he couldn't hit anybody with that fucking he just wants to get in the headline stephen a smith cannot knock out the chucky doll over there right mad sinister mccall ranked the five 2024 movies i watched this weekend red one strange darling juror two sonic three and my old ass by the way sonic three made my poor man my poor mom nervous um i didn't see i didn't see strange darling so i can't i can't rank it did you see that one john i have not seen that

that's on the list of the indies i want to watch this week yeah so red one juror to sonic three my old ass i would put number one out of all those i'd probably put juror number two um then i would put sonic oh no then i yeah then i put sonic three then my old ass and then red one okay i've only seen sonic and i mean i've only seen uh which one i've only seen one of them so i don't think i can rank it didn't see red one you didn't see you didn't see my old I did not see my old ass. Oh, okay. All right. So then you can't run. I can't rank. You can't rank. Shit. Hank Pim. Let's see. Some of the most underappreciated movies of the year. Cuckoo. Don't Blink. Strange darling. Heretic. Love lies bleeding and Monkey Man. You seen it. You seen any. Monkey Man I liked. I think that was underrated. I think more more people

dislike that than like that. And I like that movie. Heretic I didn't see. Strange darling I really want to see. That one, that one's on on my list to see. and I really, because I really like Katie O'Brien a lot. So, yeah. That is strange darling, right? Love lies bleeding. I love, like bleeding. Sorry, not strange drawing. Lovels-like bleeding.

I know that I was saying the right thing. Love Lies bleeding because he put it in there. That's the one I want to see with Katie O'Brien. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I saw Love Lies Bleeding, which I thought was pretty, pretty damn good with her and Kristen Stewart. And then what are the other, what are the other, sorry? Let's see.

Let's just say real quick. Yes. Love is bleeding, strange darling. Strange darling, have not seen. Cuckoo, Don't Blink, and Heretic. You see Heretic? Don't Blink. Yeah, Don't Blink was fine until the ending. Heretic was excellent. I enjoyed Heretic a lot. I got to see that one.

All right. Dancing Dog 60. Is the Scream franchise still alive? Yes. Very much so. I think this is the thing. Everybody was talking about when all that controversy went down with Melissa Barrera, right? And when all that went down, it was like, oh, I'm not seeing this movie. I'm not seeing. I was like, okay, watch what's going to happen. They're going to get Neff Campbell back. and everybody's going to yell at her for going back, and then everybody's going to see the movie.

That's a guarantee. Guarantee. Yeah, yeah. There's no world with that movie with her coming back doesn't make my. Nick Pickleup. Gentlemen, happy holidays. Favorite season of the Schmodeown and why?

Ooh, that's a tough one. It's so hard to say. I probably would go with, I think it's season five, because I think that's really when the live events started to take off. That's when the horseman reveal was. And it would, it just was, we were playing with a, with a different kind of magic at that, at that point.

I agree. I'd probably say five. Yeah. Yeah. T.J. Darling. So up guys. I'm a former FSU alumni.

Go knows. And still reside in Tallahassee. Hell yeah. What's your favorite bar or restaurant you miss from your college days? Oh, man. I mean, I would go to pop bellies a lot. I mean, that's where, that's, that's, that's, I did stand up with Burke Kreischer there. And we have a shirt on at the time or no?

Yes. for that one he was the first time he ever did stand up but then there was the one what's the one on tennessee street i really was it the sweet shop is that what it was called oh the sweet shop yes i think the sweet shop was one i really liked a lot too um those are the two i remember all the rest of it i don't remember and that's a good thing because that means i was having a good time yeah there was one out in may there was one out in downtown there was one out in downtown there was one out in downtown after we debuted opening night we'd go there and hang out downtown downtown got better right as we were leaving yes yes what the hell was that one there was some really good ones downtown yeah

yeah i do miss the pizza place that i think oh i found out oh those big huge for those big huge pizza yeah the one right next to the black box theater uh man that pizza place was incredible and i and they closed like a few years after we left so dancing dog 60 thoughts on triple x with Vin Diesel. It was supposed to be the anti-Bond spy film focusing on extreme sports expert turn spy. I remember. Yeah, I remember. It was, it was like early 2000s, late 90s. It was perfect for the time, but it, I don't think it was very rewatchable. Yeah, it was fun for what it was. And the sequel was ridiculous. To see Vin, who was almost 50 riding a skateboard, was a little nonsense. So, yeah, the first one is fun. The second one, not so much with Cube. And the third one was just way too

old. Yeah. Daynapper. Growing up, my favorite episodes of the He-Man cartoon were the ones where he goes to Earth, said no one ever. Hilarious. It's true. Dancing Dog 60, remember the Force Five cartoons, early anime. I do remember those with the kind of bird wings and stuff. Oh, yeah. I do remember. This is great. I wonder where they haven't done that. Um, Ethan, Baron, Stryst, one actor you really want to see in Star Wars, Tom Hardin. Oh, that's a good show. choice shit that's a good choice all right i want to see him in the old republic um dan with or without a voice whether without a weird voice i don't think he can do movies without a weird voice i love his weird voices it's my life's say but yeah good yeah dancing dog 60

show a godzilla in my opinion is the best take on godzilla which one is that show i don't know what showa godzilla is i don't know what that is i don't know what that is i still think that year year one's my favorite godzilla movie ever hands down yeah it's my favorite movie last year mad sinister mackale have you watched early edition with kyle chanler no have you john god no that's a 90s yeah i don't know that uh jean's gray happy holidays gentlemen could you see dc doing an anthology series similar to secret level or what if and by the way jean's great did you see the deadline reported that sadie sink is going to be uh jean gray oh i didn't give him credit i forgot to give him credit once and my life's been a living hell ever since no that was that wasn't

even meant for that it just it's just what happens all the time i saw like when he he he's something when a gerald letto jared leto stories start coming out about skeletal skull it's uh skeletal tour and people are like oh deadline report was like no i heard about the story three months ago three months ago i almost tweeted i might tweet it out today just to kind of go back of them it's it's ridiculous how shameless they are how shameless they are to not give credit or link credit because you know jeffs burn so many bridges these clowns don't want to give him credit. But I thought they were good reporters, and good reporters and journalists cite the sources

and give credit to people who broke stories first, whether you personally like them or not. Grow up, little children, grow up. That's how it works in real life. Gene's great. Happy holidays, gentlemen. Could you see DC doing an anthology series similar to Secret Level or What If?

Sure. If that's what they want to do, sure. Elseworlds is literally tailor-made for that. elusive rock with fantastic four coming out only two weeks after superman when do you think we'll see the trailer super bowl or sooner happy holidays guys well they're in a trickier situation than superman is because superman is the only game in town for dc right um they have marvel's got three movies they got to focus on they got to focus on before i mean because when they you'll definitely see it captain america another trailer or one of the trailers to react because it's going to be coming out

in a couple of weeks from uh super bowl so that you'll see then the movie after that is Thunderbolts and then Fantastic Four. So I don't know, John, what do you, what do you think? Yeah, no, I think the, I think there's a, I'm starting to come around on this belief that they might push Fantastic Four. Yeah. And I, yeah, I'm starting to slowly, because I think Jeff has mentioned it in passing. And I think he's mentioned a newsletter. I don't want to misquote him.

But I've seen other people mention this possibility as well on their sites. And so I, starting to. slowly come around because if Superman starts to have starts to get this I'm look how many people I make is a million 50 million or something like it was like it broke all these records just the trailer watch that tells you the interest level in my opinion yeah so I if this starts to get buzz and the the reports like Jeff's report start to get drowned out and people are like crazy excited to see this thing if I was Marvel I would absolutely push it a few weeks so it doesn't compete with this juggernaut and get kind of overwhelmed by it and people will compare it and if

Fantastic 4 underperforms and Superman overperforms, then people start the narrative as is Marvel in trouble. And oh, my God, is Marvel need to rethink things? And that's not what you want is your narrative for your brands. The only problem with that, though, is that they, you know, remember they drop, they were supposed to have blade come out in November. Yeah, right. They should have dropped blade out and put Fantastic 4 and then when they took it out. Now, I just don't know if there's enough room for them to move, but who knows? Who knows?

Dance a dog 60. What do you mean? She's not 18. Maddie boy I don't know what that means oh Matt Gates the report came out today okay by the way I want to clarify something someone who said something earlier Christian Shoah Godzilla he's talking about the air of Godzilla

between 54 to 1975 which had 15 films so my apologies our apologies that we didn't know what you were referenced your apology your apologies I wouldn't have know that anyway Christopher Johnson hey fellas will we ever get a district 9 sequel probably not I don't think that Bloom Camp wants to wants to do it probably not we might get a series down the road but I doubt we get a sequel.

Michael Miles, what are your thoughts on studios putting influencers and YouTubers on payroll? A problem or just an evolution of the entertainment media landscape? Is that a thing that's been announced? Oh, not announced, but it's pretty much understood that studios pay. But payroll is different than campaigns. Right, fair point. I mean, payroll implies you're paid by the studio as an employee of the studio to do certain things. I don't know if that's the situation.

I personally don't because they're called influencers and if they're getting paid by a studio, it's because they're supposed to promote the studio's releases. And so you can't play both sides. It depends on how it. Look, it depends on what you're doing here, right? So if it's like, okay, perfect example. I had Frank Rillo on the show, which was an interview that I'd gotten on my own. And we were talking about werewolves, right?

afterwards where was like hey would you want to do a promotion inside of right sure so promotion we took the things we took clips from it and put out it was a promotion for the movie it was like an ad for it we didn't say whether it was good bad whatever it was right we just taught promotion from the thing if you're doing if you're an influencer and you're doing if a studio says hey we want you to bring awareness to our film and you're doing the thing like hey um so Jurassic world is coming out and I'm excited I'm a big Jurassic world fan this movie's coming out soon I can't wait for right if they're paying you to say hey you saw the movie and if you loved it, start talking about it now or, you know, just say that

you liked it. That's a problem if they say, just say you liked it and you get in pay. I think if they're paying you ahead of time to give an opinion that's positive about a movie before you see it. Right. And I think that's the problem. But this is, but that's also campaigns. If you're saying that they're on payroll, though, that's another, that's a, it is another conversation. So that means they're being paid for their opinions. Right. That's right. Matt Thomas, dropped the video on the Cleveland location seen in the Superman and trailer check it out if you get a chance hashtag views from metropolis that's pretty that's been pretty vocal on um all the stuff going on with the cleveland aspect of it so you

check that out guys uh Ethan barren sits it's do you guys believe that video games are art had this argument with the teacher my senior year at this point i believe there's just as much artist movies are anyone who says that they're not art is silly person of course they're art this story storytelling it's it's a medium there's of course it's art your teacher is a silly person of course it's art video games now are art and Pac-Man is an art but video games now are art with the cut scenes and the stories are like last of us yeah it's incredible stuff yeah 100% dancing dog 60 what movies put you to sleep dune for me comments that say doom is puts them to sleep put me to sleep that's that's my that's what puts me I don't know I don't know no

Bobby Bobby Bobby Bobby Viola Davis was somewhat like Ambassador in the warrior King movie yes yes you're right 100% Merry Christmas you filthy animals you too Bobby yes she does have that kind of uh that essence tour in in that movie yeah mad Sinister Macalb Beth Snyder Harloff says Amelia Perez over June 2 if you make it an hour through that movie I'll be surprised but after RB3's raving review of it I can't wait to know but funnel happy Festivus thank you buff funnel very generous here hope your 25 is even better you're 24 thank you oh you know what joey moda asked us before what our our our goals are for the for the channel for your each channel you know and as i think i like to see i think that for me i had mentioned this

the other day um i just want to want to get more of those movie reactions out there i want to make sure that the live show is is the thriving right now we the live shows doing good we do anywhere between 800 to you know a thousand per episode and i'd like to get that to two thousand that's my that's my goal um more reviews reviews reactions more interviews that's kind of that's kind of the goal Yeah, very similar. My goal is to hit 100,000 by the end of next year. So I'm going to work so hard in ways that I've never worked in 2025. I'm going to be ruthless in times at 2025. I'm going to work much harder to establish the channel and build it up to that point.

So that's my goal because right now, I mean, it's nice to slowly be building, but I've also not given full 100% effort to the channel. So in 2025, I think it's a make or break situation. I want to bring more money into our household from what I know look I'm doing fine but I'd like to do much better and so that's the goals and like Christian interviews stuff I kind of have been resisting that I haven't called a publicist ever to be like hey can I interview like so that's going to change so make myself a much more potent part of the show and I'll also go to improve my appearance because I think in a way that does matter for someone like me so those are those things that I'm looking

forward to on the channel and I'm going to learn to edit so that I can put up my stuff and not have to rely on other people to put up my stuff as quickly as possible. Those are the goals for 2025. Breaking news. John's going to alter his appearance. He's going to get plastic surgery. Yes. AI, but he's AI filters.

Joey Pedra's been blasting the new Superman trailer theme. Think John Murphy can keep the energy for the rest of the film. I do. I think that James Gunn is a very clear idea of what he wants. And you've seen it in just the little teasers. I think the movie score is going to be fantastic. Listen to a lot of his other soundtracks. They're fantastic.

So yeah. Retro Rebel. recently finished mr mcmann felt undertaker losing his streak to lesnar was a waste agreed should have let taker retire with the streak or give it to a worthy up-and-comer i wouldn't i wouldn't let him keep the streak i will i would have done the second part of what you just said someone worthy up-and-comer thoughts and happy holiday yeah 100 percent you should give it to somebody that you didn't expect it coming and luthy was going to be almost be like a squash and then the person almost like what raser romone did with the one two three kid

good point yes yes i agree um bobby jackson will either of you be doing a squid game's reaction and then season I would like to tell you that I want to because that's what I want to do. I've been wanting to do, I've been wanting to do season one leading into season two. The question is timing. And like my first priority is to get Sam in here as much as possible to finish up the MCU thing because we're going to, I want to knock down as many as it possible with her. So we'll see.

But are you planning on doing squid games? I hadn't until you mentioned it, but now I probably will. although my normal editor has been doing some of the stuff, he's taking a two-week break, so I won't be able to have that editor to edit my reactions. So I may have to, this may be where I react to it, and either put up the full reaction

or find a way to edit them and really push myself this week. So we'll see. We'll see. Bobby Jackson says, I would love to see a reaction video with Christian and his mother-in-law. My mother-in-law at the moment is recovering from surgery. Oh. She's doing okay.

but yeah so it's uh but i do it in a video with her i don't know she's in she's not even it would have been hard enough to try to get her to focus in on the camera in person she's and now she's in she's in l.a now so to be to try to get her to do virtual would be nearly impossible uh dancing dog 60 is just in baldoni canceled is his career cooked i think you got to wait and see what happens i think you got to wait for details to come out yeah yeah yeah uh bobby Jackson what do you guys think of magazine dreams getting a March release next year good idea or bad what's which one's magazine dream that's the one with jonathan majors where it's like playing like i think he's playing a serial killer or a murder or

something like that and that's the one he got like massively great shape for um and was picked up by the people who did sound of freedom i think the same distributing company so they're putting it out how Hollywood is a is a is a pretty forgiving town if you make stuff eventually eventually I don't think his career is over. I really don't. No, I don't think so he's too talented. It's too talented. Christopher Johnson. John, which smoteen competitors would you have loved to compete against that you never got a chance to? Oh, I know the answer.

Clark Wolf. Oh, listen. And Rachel, too, right? Oh, Rachel Cushing, for sure. But Clark, for sure. I mean, Clark and I have had an uneasy, uh, dare I say respect for each other. but I remember when she beat, when Ian beat her off that Obama movie and I went up to try to console her and she was like, get out of my face. I don't need to hear from you. And I was like, wow, okay, we got ourselves some real heat. So me and her would have been a lot of fun to go back and forth with it. I love Clark. I respect Clark, but, you know, she doesn't follow me on social media. She clearly is not into the things that I'm doing. So it's a shame. And I think that would have brought some real heat to both of us. It never lined up. That match never lined up. That match never.

line. Yeah, it would have happened if she had beaten Ethan with that question, which I think would have been a massively awesome finale to that premium live event. And of course, Rachel, I think going toe to toe with Rachel would have been a lot of fun for sure. I probably couldn't have pulled out the full outlaw, but maybe Sam would have been like the buffer for that. Like he was for that, for the other, the other, his, who did I play that was Sam was Sam was the buffer for her? It could have been that. But yeah, those two for sure. Yeah. Brooklyn, Secret Time. I used to be addicted to porn, but now whenever I get the urge and I get all bricked up, I throw Roca and Jeff or Harle of and just wait for it to go away. Thanks for everything. Merry Christmas. Thanks, Brooklyn. I'm glad that we could take your addiction away. We're keeping you alive.

Yeah, Dancing Dog 60. The show of error is the Godzilla wrestling in suit 70s. Okay. Yes. Sorry, yes. Sorry, sorry. Love, Dangerborn. Do you think that Amazon will sell the distribution rights of James Bond?

If they and Eon does not come to an. agreement. I don't know, maybe. What do you think? It's no, no way. They work too hard to get them. So they're just like, it's just like negotiations. We're going to want this. Well, I want this. And then eventually they're going to calm down, find that meeting ground. If they had a James Bond ready to go, I think these negotiations would be over much more quicker. But because they don't and they're not in any rush, you're going to see a lot of posturing until they finally come to the middle. But no way. Amazon wants that big time for credibility, you know? Levi, digging through old VHS tapes and found a copy of WrestleMania 6, Hogan versus Warrior, my favorite bout.

What were your favorites from that era? Well, that era, I mean, my favorite wrestlers from that era? I mean, Hogan, Warrior, Savage, Mr. Perfect. Definitely. Those are ones that come to my right away. Yeah, yeah. Rick Rood. Yeah.

Kenan. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it was one of my favorites. Also, I want to say, if you guys aren't following, if you're WWE fans and you haven't subscribed to WWE Vault on YouTube, you are missing out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they show all the old school stuff, right? Yeah, I just watched Tito Santana versus The Undertaker in Spain. That was a legendary match.

I've never seen it, and to be able to watch it live with Spanish commentary, that was awesome. You know what it is? So they're basically doing because remember the old school WWE network before I went to PECO. Yes. You get access to all that shit. Like that's the kind of stuff. That's great. Bobby Jackson will either of you be attending cinema con so I didn't go last year

and so this this year 2025 I was going to pick one of the two is going to pick going to the critics choice awards oh or going to cinema con and I'm probably going to do cinema con because I couldn't make the beginning of January work so I'm probably thinking I'm going to try to get to cinema con are you yeah I got the application the other day so I'm going to apply to get in hopefully and go yeah we'll see yeah uh retro rebels what movie should be forgetting forbidden to remake. Mine is big trouble in little China. Don't mess with the porch of us. Well, that's going to happen. That one. Rocky, Rocky one should never be. That's a, Rocky one should be a movie that never, you just can't from the story that's that's built

behind it. You just can't. There's too many classics. Like the godfather should never be remade. Citizen Kane should never be remade. Yeah. There's quite a lot of classics that I think should never be remade. So yeah. I think Raiders Lost Ark should never be remade. I'll be honest, back to the future. Yeah. Matt Thomas, how do you guys deal with crowds at your screenings? there are a few regulars at the Cleveland ones that are annoying and complain about critics preferential treatment so crowds for your screenings that i mean if you go to the the critic screenings if you're going to those i mean and you're having problems there then i just say stop going to the movies because those those are the ones that you that's why

i like going to the movies because i know most of them are going to behave it's hard for me to go to regular screenings now because nobody behaves yeah i don't go to anything but press screenings and i let the people know here in san diego that i don't go to anything with press screenings anymore because it's it's one bad experience after another and no amount of views are worth it for the experience of being uncomfortable for two and a half hour and you can't give it a fair review because you're so pissed off yeah yeah Aaron a creative what is an underrated comedy that you enjoy for me it's spy with Melissa McCarthy that is pretty good state that's hilarious he is good I would say I know it's I know it's I know many people don't think it is underrated but it is

morris oh yeah no you're right because people think it's the one of the worst of the Kevin Smith films and I agree with you I liked it I think I saw that in tally I think I saw that fs you I liked it a lot yeah uh Hank him just friends I guess I would say that's my P you I think you thanks as an oh hi and I got to say the most impressive part of the superman trailers that they managed to make Cleveland not look like the vomit bucket that it is I didn't say that I didn't say that that was Hank do a video on that Matt there you go dancing dog 60 majors plays an unstable in-cell bodybuilder in the movie interesting it's going to be an interesting one to to do right after everything went down

mad sinister macaa have you ever sat on the toilet backwards weird no i haven't and then dancing dog 60 i was into wcw back in the day fun times oh yeah those were great i remember that i remember at fs u and all that shit was going down like that was like the battle um but that's it john you've given winston something to catch up to you back to back weeks you have a hundred one. Whoa, really? 101. Oh, thank you. 101. So Winston has to try to once again catch the outlaw here at 101. That's great. That's great. Back to back weeks of over 100. So there you go.

With no help from PLD. And I think any PLD contribution or Winston should be eliminated. Like it should be taken out of the overall total. Waste your money all you want, Paul, instead of providing for your family, go ahead and knock your about but like it should not be counted uh in in winston's overall total that is putting your finger on i mean come on that's a guy who works he's works in the business in in your company but he's taking the money he's taking the money i pay him and he's using he's spending it on his own on his own that's putting his finger on the scale that's not right come on now he's not he's not benefiting from it uh no but he's like helping it the numbers go up it doesn't mean he's the the deciding factor

but i think you should be those should be eliminated come on man be fair fair enough Anyway, listen, we're done. Thank you for joining us. I really appreciate it. Thanks for joining us here today. John, I want you to, for you, for you may see you again with Dan. I'm not sure, but if I don't, thank you for all the help that you've been doing here for this, for the run that we've been doing. You really did help us kind of start this live thing coming back again.

So I really appreciate it. And we have one more from Matt Thomas who says, have you two watched the fire inside yet? Sleeper. Which one's that? Oh, the boxing one with Brian Tyree. No, no, is it. It's pretty good. That's on my list as well. I got to see that one here. Great. Jeff said it was good.

So I want to check that one out too. But again, I want you to enjoy your holiday. Make sure you send me an invoice, you son of a bitch. I already finished it. It's ready to go. Perfect. Yeah. Thank you, man. That and more. Thank you, my friend. We will see you really, really soon. Can I say?

Yeah. Yeah. Have a Merry Christmas, everybody. Happy holidays. However you're celebrating this week. Remember to be patient with yourself. Remember to deal with family and friends. take it easy, take a breath. It's not going to be easy sometimes. Stay away from the political discussions if you can,

but take care of yourself. It's very important during the holiday season. And remember why we're having the holiday season, which is to celebrate all of us coming together and the people you care about and you love. And if you want to hang out with me on The Outlaw Nation, head over there, YouTube.com slash John Rokicasse on my channel and follow me at the Rokka says in all my podcast,

the Hot Mike, the Geek Buddies and the Cineophiles. Thanks, guys. Thanks, thanks, Christian, for an awesome time. and I'll see you next Monday, brother, man. All right, brother. Thank you so much. Yeah, all right, guys, thank you for being here again. Apple podcast, Spotify.

Don't forget, you can leave comments on Spotify. So if you're watching this on Spotify, do just that. We have some stuff happening this week. As I mentioned, tomorrow, my interview with Sean Gunn will be up on the channel. Make sure if you want to check out some of those clips, those will be up there too. You can go to our Clips channel. On Wednesday, the Avengers is coming out from our, the first time that Sam has ever watched it. So we did that.

Thursday will be my top 10 most anticipated. Friday will be my live show with Winston A. Marshall for Caps and Cowell. So thanks for joining us on the show here today. You guys are great. Thank you to everybody who's been such a support this entire year. And we've got a couple more shows, a couple more things. So join us for the journey. Have a great, great holiday with your friends and your families.

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