The Kristian Harloff Show - Spider-Man: No Way Home, is There Too Much Going On? | The Big Thing

Episode Date: November 22, 2021

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Welcome. It's Monday. It's Thanksgiving week. And what a week it's going to be. It's going to be a really fun week. A lot of great shows. We're going to be doing some reviews. I got the first two episodes of Hawkeye that's going to come out.

I'm going to review that. I got House of Gucci. We've got the last rewatch of the Spider-Man movies into the Spider-verse. Matt Sarah is coming on the show on Wednesday. So that's going to be a blast. And then today I got my buddy, Mark Ellis. he's going to be on. We're going to talk about a whole bunch of things. He didn't get a chance to see Rocky versus Drag him. He'll talk to me about it. Oh, I had a chance. You had a chance. He just didn't watch it.

That's true. And he'll also talk about, we'll talk some Spider-Man. We'll talk about upcoming movies, whether it's Matrix or any of these things we've got coming out. And going back to the movie theaters again and how that's been, at least for me, because I don't think he's done anything. So we'll talk about that as well. So what I'd like you guys to do, first of all, subscribe to the new channel. If you haven't done that, please do that. Subscribe and hit that notification button, please, it is very, very important. And if you can also, the way to do this is to go to the podcast feed, go to the podcast feed and either Spotify, Apple Podcasts, wherever podcasts are found. Go on over there, rate, review all that. Audio is very, very important.

And I thank you guys. And we're going to get into this. It's myself. It's Mark Ellis. We're going to be talking about a great many things. It's the big thing. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. It is a big thing. And happy Thanksgiving week. You're going to be with your families, doing great stuff, stuffing, whatnot. Look at this guy. Look at this Mark Ellis.

Stuffing fan right here. What are you doing, buddy? I like the, I like it when it's just like the outer rim of the stuff, the burnt. Yeah. I don't like meals that are properly prepared. I found this out about myself. Why is that? I either want it burnt or I want it.

I want it not burned enough. Like, if you're making me breadsticks, I want them doughy. You know, I don't want them fully cooked. I want them a little doughy. Same with my cookies. I want them very soft baked. But then if I'm,

if I'm like getting meat or like stuffing or something like that, I want a little char to it. So if it's right, perfectly cooked, as the instructions say, disgusting. Let me ask you a question. Hit me. Who hurt you as a child?

What happened? I think it all started when I put that black Sabbath tape and Teddy Ruxman's back and he just started saying things And I wasn't prepared for a toy bear to say. I can't review much on House of Gucci until it comes out. But there is a cameo by Teddy Rucksman in the movie. No crap. Really?

Yeah. Wow. Now, is this you saw the movie? You just went over to Tom Dagnino's house. Both. No, I saw the movie. He was supposed to come with me, but to no one's surprise, he didn't show up. So you knew that was going to happen.

What? I don't have to. He's like, I'm in the movie. Look, here's the thing. Croatia. I got a lot of things going on in the minute. Well, then why did you tell me you want to go? I want to go.

I just don't know if I can't. He expressed desire. Yeah, and he's like, I was like, well, the movie, what time I'm going to be there? Well, this thing starts at four. Be great if you got there like 3.40, but, you know, I'll hold you a seat and get there four. And let me see what I can do. Doesn't look I'm going to make it. I wonder though if you told him, hey, hey, be there at three.

You know, like, would he just, is he one of those people who you just have to, because I've started doing that with some people. Yeah, he's like that. He's like, where you just tell them, hey, you, you, you, you, you, you just tell them. Hey, you got to be there at this time because they're never going to be there at that time. So now when they actually show up, it's the prescribed time. But I just didn't tell them. I do that to my wife.

Oh, yeah. Like if I know that we need to be somewhere like 3.30. Yeah. You know, I tell her we need to be there at 3. And then we get there right like 320, 330. Has she caught on to your game? Sometimes. Yeah.

Sometimes. Like you should like hire people like friends of yours that are like getting married or whatever. They send you the invitation like, hey, I know this is a big ask. I'll reimburse you. on our invitation. Can you just change the time to 45 minutes earlier? Those times of things she's usually alright with, but it's just like,

it's even when we're leaving to go anywhere, it's like the amount of things that she's got to check off and I'm sitting in the car, if I had a dollar for every time I was sitting in the car waiting for her and watching the front door, the same scenario. So you go to the car. But yeah,

I'm like, she'll meet me in the car. And I could always, if I wanted to, I could just say, why? I just don't you do all the stuff you got to do and then I'll walk out there. But instead I go, no, you know what? I'm going to take the kids. I can listen to some music. I can check some text and I'll see you in 15 minutes.

It does put a little bit of heat on them. Whoever's still inside the house if you're about to leave, there's a little bit of pressure that you feel if you know everybody else in your brood is out there waiting in a started car. I think that's accurate. You're laying on the horn? I think, uh, no, I don't know. No, I don't. I don't say what a couch. That's a couch.

That's a couch. That's a couch. That's a couch moment. I don't want to do that. it's just at least it's at least the eyes moment that I don't want to deal with yeah like I was telling you I was when I was at I went to see house Gucci when I was there you can't tell me if you liked it or not I can't I think my initial reactions I can give social it's like it's a it's definitely the kind of return to form by Ridley Scott you know it's like you know when Ridley Scott puts out a movie and you just like when he puts out something like the counselor right he's always got a comeback pitch though I like the movie okay I like the movie but I'm going to go a little bit more into Depth. Did you see the last duel? Never got a chance to.

No one else did. So what did he put two? Do you put two movies? Yeah, two movies? It was pretty nuts. You got a Damon and Affleck and their nights are, and nobody saw the movie. Nobody saw the movie. Yeah, I know.

It's like $4 million opening weekend. Those types of movies aren't working in the theater. I get it's a post-pandemic crowd, but I still feel like. I don't even think right now, even if pandemic cleared up, I think that people now, because of streaming, dude, like the amount of quality and content that you get, I mean, look, Red Notice is not a great movie. But the fact that you've got three major movie stars, and that's the type of movie that comes out in the early 2000s

and makes $100 million. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? That's a franchise. And now it comes out on Netflix. And that's a big movie. That's a good blam. A movie like Last Dual, people aren't rushing out to see that because they're going to spend

money. I finally saw, oh, that's what we can talk about. That's actually what we can make the majority of this about now. A spoiler review of Shang-chi. We got a new big thing. Yeah, it is. That'll be, that's what I'll title it. I'll title it. I'll title it. I'll title it. The movie came out like four months ago. People are waiting for me to talk about it. You saw it. You saw it. You saw it. Well, you saw the movie. It's the one movie that I can talk about that. I know that I know that you saw it. I just look. We'll talk about Shang Chi, which I really did enjoy. And any turtles, I had some issues with like the length, but but the storytelling itself was, it was really well done. I'm just, I don't know where we're going. With the Spider-Man.

Oh, with Spider-Man. Okay, let's go into that thing. So the trailer is... I'm going to sound like I'm yelling at clouds here. Yes. Okay. So I know that cinema's rich with a history of protagonists

who make a questionable decision, then that sets off our chain of events, right? So for instance, with Iron Man, when he wanted to put a suit of armor over the world and it didn't work out so well, right? Right. Well, no, he wasn't allowed to. But the whole movie, well, he built Ultron to try to do that, right?

And then Civil War happens. They have these whole things. but that is such a rich debate between two characters who you can both kind of see their logic in. But then you also have these moments of stupidity and emotion that flabbergast me to the point where it takes some of the enjoyment out of the film. Great use of the word, by the way. Case and point, Star Lord at the end of Infinity War, right? Because he freaks out emotionally because somebody said something mean about his dead girlfriend.

And now we lost billions of people. Because that stupid movie. because of that one rash emotional decision. Although if you really dive deep into Eternals, you'd think that maybe, you know, Thanos had a point. I always thought Thanos had many points. But then I watched the Spider-Man trailer,

and like it's cool we're going to have all these timelines, how do we get these timelines once? Because Dr. Strange is casting a spell. And this, I know he's just a high schooler, but he's also been all over the world fighting crime with the greatest vigilantes in the universe. And he, while the doctor is conducting his thing,

even when I was a kid, I would know if a doctor's operating on me, don't move, stay still, don't say anything. And he's like, oh, but maybe MJ could still, and maybe Aunt May. Now I got a root for this kid, who by the way, because of that one moment of idiocy, now all these other timelines are open,

countless numbers of lives are at stake because of him. Yeah. I used to, correct me if I'm wrong. You're wrong. John McLean did not like buy his German buddy a plane ticket said oh come to L.A. And then that's the reason why the terrorists are that.

That is what bothers me about. I know, but you said it at, you started the conversation with it. This is a 17 year old kid who, who by the way, has been exposed to the world. Yeah. That his identity now and they all think that he killed Mysterio. Yeah. And now he's running around and he's, and he's got this. And now the only person that he trusts is MJ.

It's the only one that he can rely on. He wants to take, you everybody forget that he's Spider-Man. But it means that the one. one girl that he finally loves that he's trying for so long is going to forget also. And that's what connected them. At 17, the stuff that you went through to try to and imagine and having those powers, I don't know, I'll give him a pass. I think it's a, we don't know.

And we also don't know how it's going to happen. And we also know the benefits. Plus the fact, a lot of people think that that Dr. Strange is the doctor strange from what if, and that's not the actual Dr. Strange. All right. Well, you have all these theories, which, which again, I'm excited to see the movie tepidly, but I also, it arrives at my second point where I think I'm just, I'm starting to drift on the cosmology of the universal implications of this.

I know you're a huge alternate timeline. I'm going to watch Loki, man. I just prefer a little more. It doesn't mean that we can't have fantastical space exploration, but it's like it just seems like there's just so much that we're just wrapping into this. And now I've got to worry about other timelines. Doesn't it seem for you? Because I read comic books when I was a kid.

is this going to are mass audiences, not because like I see Hartle of Codacke fans that we're friends with, the the Coyanders of the world are like eating this up with a spoon because they're so excited, which is great because they're so steeped in the war. The casual movie fan, are they

going to get, I'm very curious to see how these movies play going forward. I agree with you. That's a question I asked, but you know what? It's not very negative. No, you don't. It's a good question to ask because you know, but you know what my answer to that question would be is into the spiderverse. That movie made $400 million. Yes, it did. But that's a, that first of all, the animation does separate it.

It does. And it's also the fact that that was never tying into the MCU that we had come to. Now, those characters exist in that world, but that felt like a one-off fun adventure to me. Different, different questions, though, because as far as getting it and understanding it, right? So they set up the multiverse inside of that movie and the multiverse made sense inside of the movie. I absolutely understand what you're saying as far as connecting to it. That's a different, different argument. but like the understanding of the multiverse, I think they set it up pretty well. It was pretty simple.

I think it's more the canon ties that you have to go retroactively make sure this thing fits within 27 movies. Star Wars has the same problem sometimes. And then also going forward, now we've set all these cool things up so we can't really put the genie back in the bottle. And so do you remember the first movie of the MCU

was two rich scientists fighting each other on Earth? And now we're in this really exciting place because it opens a lot of doors to storytelling, but it also opens so many doors that it just feels confusing to me. And again, maybe it is just the factor that I'm a little fatigued. Maybe I'm just too old to care about it. But it feels like I enjoy it's the same thing.

I go back to playing Nintendo. You know, like I love having the two buttons. And then Super Nintendo's like, well, we got four buttons now. You like the simplified stuff. And I think that a lot of people are, like you said, Captain America, I know a story. I know what it is. But when you start getting like Eternals with there's overall beings watching

or there's alternate timelines. or these, you know, like the time police inside of Loki and all of that stuff. I like that's absolutely, like I think my wife will be lost on a lot of stuff. Yeah. Not even, not even that she won't get it. She'll get it. She'll get it. I don't think she'll care.

Right. But it does get very convoluted sometimes. But I'll tell you the reason why I think that this one will work to the overall audience. Because it's Spider-Man as a bunch of villains. But it's also because they're bringing back Toby and Andrew. Now, whether or not, now whether or not they officially announced that I'm not. We think they are. Yes.

But we know. that they're bringing back Willem Defoe. We know that they're bringing back Doc Ock. Yeah. So what that does is, even if you weren't connected to the MCU alone, that if you like those particular movies, right, you go, oh, well, that's the Doc Ock. And so then somebody, your friend tells you, yeah, pretty sure Toby's coming back. Toby's going to be in this one. Right. How? I don't understand. It's like, well, just watch. Which, which I'm totally fine with. And again, the multiverse thing is not necessarily turning me off to this movie as much as the fact it how we got the multiverse.

Like I don't understand why, we can't, if that is rogue Dr. Strange, that's what if Dr. Strange, or even if it's the right Dr. Strange, why does it have to be the protagonist I'm supposed to be rooting for doing this one stupid rash decision? I know he's 17 years old.

Right. I get that. I know Star Ward maybe wasn't that world savvy and he had puppy love. Yeah. But it's like, come on, man. I've been following you for so many movies and years now. Can I, I'm just, maybe it's just,

I'm thinking about the cost. of the collateral damage. Sure. You know, look at the stuff that happened. Yeah, but look at the stuff that happened just from, like you mentioned, with the Star Lord stuff and those things. But we also still don't know maybe if it is Dr. Strange's plan to open this thing up, to have more people in it.

And we don't know what the implication of no way home means. Some people think no way home means that he's not coming back and he's going to be connected to the Sonyverse from now on that Tom Holland's going to be there. That's where he's going to be. Some people think it means that the villains are going to, there's no way home for the villains. they're going to be stuck in the MCU because of the stuff that happened in Venom and these other things. Good place to get stuck. Yeah.

So there's a lot. I want to see how it pans out. You can't deny, like this is one of those movies. Like I was talking about it. I can't remember to who, but it's like, I think it was Metz-Sir.

But there's one of these, this is the type of movie. They're rare, right, where you've got that level of excitement. And I won't give it to the level of excitement of like the Porse Awakens. But like there's this thing about it where it becomes an event more so than just. just a movie.

They mean, they had an event to do the trailer reaction. Yeah, I mean, I feel like Scorsese's words get taken out of context a lot with these movies, but it does,

like when I watch that show in particular, it does feel like I'm going to a theme park. Yeah, and that's, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Right. Because I'd be excited to shove a bunch

of popcorn on my face and see what this Spider-Man does when he fights, you know, Sandman or whoever else comes back and maybe Toby McGuire gets in a fight with Tom Hardy, Venom, like, it's a lot of cool premises, but it just, it didn't, it didn't grab me in the way that I was hoping.

And I think a big reason is just because I'm thinking about the implications and why were there in the first place. Well, it also was a great question that you asked because of the fact that I have watched all of Loki, right? I did watch all of What If. And you see, we both seen the Eternals. But Loki and What If, I think they really dive into this multiverse stuff. I mean, what if specifically. Right. Like, that's all the whole premise of the show.

Did you find yourself hanging in? Yeah, I love that shit though. Like that's, that's, I love that stuff. Right. Like, so the what if, the what if Tony Stark, what, like, so in Killmonger saves Tony Stark before he gets kidnapped in the first movie. And he ultimately doesn't become Iron Man and these other things happen. Like, I like that idea of it because of the idea of the multiverse that if you think it and

these things like, it's infinite the multiverse. So there are many, there's a. multiverse where you and I never met and all those things. And I know you love that stuff. I love it. It just makes my head hurt. I can barely function in this verse. Now you're telling me there's a bunch of other verses that I have to deal with.

There is a multiverse where you are married with children. Just think about how hard we worked to get this thing in end game done, right? You know? Right. Just think about how much we laid on the line, how much we sacrificed. Now you're telling me that's going on in an infinite other number of timelines that could be opened up at any time. It could be.

If Dr. Strange hits one button, instead of another button when he's casting a spell, it's all too much, Christian. I don't know if I can do it. It's a lot. It's a lot. And I,

but I enjoy that stuff very much. I hope everybody enjoys Spider-Man. But, I mean, even, even, but Endgame had that, though. End-game had the multiverse. End-game started the multiverse.

End-game had, end-game had a very easy solution to it. Time travel, where, yeah, yeah, we did time travel. And even the time travel, it's,

and again, like, I know it's just a trail, and so it's probably going to be a lot more streamlined and and palatable, but with endgame, we still, and even that was a lot like that scene where the America's ass scene when they go back into the, it was fun, but it was also like, wait, so Robert Redford was in that building at that time and like all these other things.

And then that end fight scene, when we get all our heroes back, that was just very easy because for me as a sports fan, I was like, oh, they all went into like a penalty box for five years. And now it's like a hockey game and now they're all out of the penalty box and let's have this great fight. Well, they had that explanation, which is one of my favorite conversations about time travel and movies at all

was when he's talking about Back to the Future and, you know, back to the future is bullshit, right? And the whole thing, because the way that if you, depending on what you believe, as far as how time and works and parallel potential parallel universes is that if you went back and stopped your parents from meeting, you would not cease to exist in this timeline

because it's a different timeline. It's a different timeline. It's a different time. to exist in that timeline. And so you could come back to this timeline and simply because all those events still happened. And that's the way that they treated that. And that's the way that, depending on the most scientists that study this, this thing,

that's what they say. Well, they say that's the only way it's possible is if it's another timeline that you're going to. Not the current timeline. You wouldn't change. Yeah, whatever timeline it is that you change that you wouldn't exist. I'm a one timeline guy. I'm a one time guy.

That's it. Nope. You just want one timeline. Nope. If somebody goes back to, if you go back in time and you stop my parents from meeting, then I, proof. Yeah. You're doing a show by yourself.

Hey, then maybe that's what I'll do. Yeah, you're doing a show without a wet blanket. I guess I did that anyway. I guess I did that. Who used to like movies. I'm sorry. I do like movies. You do.

Yeah, you don't want to last time. So I now, I think I've been, because last time we talked, you had been to the theater more than I, because I wasn't going back. Yeah, I mean, I saw,

I saw Shang Chi. Yeah, we could talk about in the same. Man, those fight scenes were great. Really good. And, but yeah,

I haven't, I haven't seen anything in the theater since, uh, the Eternals. Okay. I mean, I wasn't too far away. But Rocky 4, like, I'm definitely intrigued. I know, but I want to see Rocky 4. But the thing that I, because actually you and I were talking the day it dropped,

and I was probably going to go home that night and watch Rocky 4, the new Rocky 4. But then you told me about the documentary. And I was more intrigued by the documentary. So I watched that instead of Rocky 4. I liked the documentary better. Okay. The idea of what he does is so, he's just so inspiring no matter what he does. Yeah.

Especially that documentary is so inspired. He just, I don't think you're going to like Rocky versus drug. I might be wrong. I might be wrong. Because you're, you're pitching, hauling me into this corner where Mark only likes music video workout montages and dumb robots. The music videos aren't gone.

That's what I didn't understand. He made it seem in that documentary that the music videos, he wanted to get rid of the 80s music videos. I didn't get that feeling from the documentary. That's what he said. At one point, it looks like it seems like it plays like these 80 music videos and they push like the black and white for the,

There ain't no easy way out. The robot is dead. Kill the robot. I can live without the robot. He, and it seems spiteful for me, and I might be wrong, but he completely cuts out Bridgett Eelson. Like, she's not in the movie, basically, at all. Barely in a lot.

Like, maybe a couple, like, pops in here and there. She is obsolete. I find her very integral to the events. She's fantastic in the movie. Because she's basically the mouthpiece of Drago. Well, that's kind of. I bet you what his counter would be, because he says it in the doc also, is that he wanted to give Drago a little bit more to do. And he wants to humanize him, which he does.

And the way she describes Drago. Yeah, like, well, but she's, it's more, it's more the, the train, the guy, the Russian mouthpiece, right, who's those, so, so it's, whatever he hits. Oh, the guy from like the polybure or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. They're both kind of trumping him up is that he is not a man. He's a machine. Right.

They're both making them look like when we met Darth Vader. Well, she tries to pretend in the movie, you know, like they have this relationship. And they have that scene in the original when Virginia Nissel and goes up to Apollo Creed's wife before the fight. And she's like, they're, they're sportsmen. Yeah, yeah. Just gone. And like, I thought that, that is integral, right? I thought all that stuff was pretty good.

Like, what I thought overall is that a lot of the stuff that he cut out, like, he added a lot of really good stuff. Right. I think he should have added the stuff and then kept a lot of stuff because the movie's still an hour and a half. It was always an hour and a half. Yeah. Still an hour and a half. But he cut out a ton of crap. and then added a ton of stuff.

I think they had a funeral scene for Apollo, which I thought was pretty emotional. I saw that. Yeah, I saw that was going to be in there. The fight's different. The fight I like, it's definitely a little more vicious. The punches sound a little less like, you know,

sound effecty, which is good. But there's a lot that works, and there's a lot, I said, you didn't need to cut that. Like, you know the whole scene with, when Rocky goes to Apollo right before the fight in the dressing room? And he goes, you will when it's over. will when it's over.

They cut that entire thing, but then he brings it back in like a flashback at the end. He just like just a little bit of the scene. It's like, no, that scene right beforehand. I didn't understand a lot of the stuff that he cut. And like in the beginning of the movie,

it's like the first like four minutes is like a total recap of Rocky three. And it's like, which is fine. I don't hate that. The reason why I'm cool with it is because I know Rocky, the first Rocky movies like the back of my hand. So someone who's just interested in seeing Rocky Restrago, who hasn't seen Rocky 3 in years.

You won a little previously on 24. So I understand it. I get it. I'm going to need those for these for these MCU movies. Previously in the MCU. I mean, well, it does. And then this and then if you didn't see that TV show, it's a lot. You brought it up and I think you're right, though.

It's like if you don't watch, if you haven't watched What If and you haven't watched Loki, like I was a question that we had talked about beginning when these things were announced. do you lose anything? I think you do lose a little bit. Or maybe even, or maybe even, Venom let there be carnage. Right.

For the end. Right. I didn't, did you see that movie? No. I didn't see anything. But I, you know,

I excitedly talked to one of our friends, one of our friends excitedly called me. Because I, because I asked them, I was like, hey, just, you kind of give me the blow by below. Do I need to see this movie?

I like carnage. I love Woody Harrelson. Is it worth checking out? And then I was like, no, you can go ahead and spoil it. And then they told me what, like the end and then the post-credit scene. I was like, okay, that's interesting.

Sounds fun. That's how it all ties in. But anyway, there's that. So, Shang-chi. Yeah. And someone wrote this, I can't remember, it was one of the commenters was like, it's the problem with seeing movies,

if you don't see them right away, because when there's a lot of hype on them, do they always live up, right? Sure. I like this movie. I definitely like the Turnos better. Really? Yeah.

I like the Turtles better. You're not wrong. The fights were amazing. Yeah. I thought that. It was next level that I've never seen fight scenes that good in the MC. It was very crouching tiger, Hidden Dragon, right?

The way that they played into even have one of the actors from the movie. I mean, some of it felt like the raid, too. Like, not to that level, not to that, not to that, you know, gory,

grotesque. Alonzo grabbing you and. Our minds went to the same place. But they really did feel like that quick and that authentic. And it was just really cool movements. And I like the idea of the father and son's story. and the reasoning behind it. Like there was some really good emotional beats.

I thought he was really good as lead character. I thought that, Ocophina, I think added a lot to the role because I was, I'm always nervous when they put in either A, that big of a star, B, someone with those comedic chops

that it's going to just be like a cat Jennings situation from the first. Cat Dannings, yeah. You went from like the, and who's grown on me since, by the way, she's been, she,

in Wanda Vision, I thought she was fantastic. Okay. But when it starts to become, but she's not. She's like their relationship is built really, really well. Yeah.

Like the fact that you don't know, they're just kind of, they set it up, are they boyfriend, girlfriend, and they, are they wife, and they're just buddies that have been hanging out for a bit,

and he's just kind of laying low. Yeah. And then that scene on the train with Drago, by the way. Yeah. So, uh, Drago's son. And,

um, and it, and it, and it, and it was me getting used to the world of this kind of, the, of the martial arts, traditional martial arts.

combined with this fantastical stuff Once they introduce a sur, well, it's a spoiler. So if you ever seen Shang Chi, then there you go. But once they introduce, is it the dog? Can I let the dude?

Yeah, let him. Go ahead. You let him in. The dude. Bring him in. What's up, dude? Here goes. So here comes a dude.

Dude, come here. Hey, you know, we're on the ears. Do you want to, hey, do you want to just bring him over here. Let him run over here. I'll grab him. Just let him run over.

You'll come over to me. I thought it was one of those. Rose was talking about. See, that's, everyone thinks there's a scroll now. How good does he look on camera? Oh, he does. He's photogenic. He pops.

Starting to stink like Tazdoll. I'll tell you that. He's really going at it. So audio listeners right now. All right. So my wife is taking him. Oh. There you go.

So anyway, thanks, dude. Just crack it just a little bit because we don't want the scrolls to get in here. Thank you. That's what I'm dealing with now. squirrels. Anyway, so it's like, got that traditional, when you got an important call? No, just, uh, checking your tweets.

Getting a lot of, yeah. No, there's a lot of incoming about things that we talked about before the show. No, no, no, no, work stuff. Oh, okay. Yeah. Shoshang Chi, the traditional, like, martial arts side of it, and then once you get to the Ben Kingsley stuff, I didn't know I was going to feel about that,

but once again, I went and on Disney Plus, I watched that, Hello to the King. Yeah. Did you see that? Uh, no. So it's like a little short film about him, Trevor, in jail. Right. And they're like this, and he mentions it.

He mentions it in Shang Chi, how reporter came and then he gets broken out by the Mandarin because Mandarin wants to talk to him for impersonating him, right? So that helped me with this movie because I had seen that. And I watched that little short and I knew exactly what he was talking about because some people might get lost about. How the hell did he get out of jail? He was in jail. And he, but he mentions it in the movie, he talks about it.

you actually see all that. Right, right. And so I love that. I like the idea, even when Shunchy's dad is telling him, he's like, yeah, you know, people have been posing for me and the idea of the mythology behind how long he's been around. Right. Rings, you know, the idea that he left it behind for his mother and how his mother passed. And I thought all that stuff was really, really good.

And like I said, I liked the movie a lot. I just, I wonder if I would have seen it a little early, you know, if I would have liked them. I don't know. I liked it. I just, I don't know if I fell in love with it the way that everybody else did. Yeah, it was really, really. Oddly, though, I just, like, I liked seeing Ben Kingsley again as that character, but I just, it, it felt a little, goofy. It felt a little, uh, apologetic to me. It's like, hey, remember I ran three? Sorry, you all didn't like that twist, but now this is why it worked. And it just, I don't know. Yeah, I mean, it wasn't, it didn't like take me out of the movie, but I was like, that was the least interesting part of the movie. I got a kick out of him when he was talking to the faceless furball. Funny. Yeah. Like, even when they were driving through and he's telling him, like, which way to go.

And I found myself, you know, like at first going, I don't know if this is really, they're really pushing the bonkers on this. The thing with no face. But then when you start to realize what it's about and the idea that, you know, his dad is just obsessed with trying to get his wife back and the idea. And I like, oh, he's hearing her through the rocks and it's like, oh, that's a pretty tough thing to resist. And you can't get past the fact that it's just not real. and that he's just he's burdened by it right and the idea that you know he was he he could have he could have been he tried to be good and it didn't work and then he passed it off to his son and they had and the son that that was the thing though to me I thought they were going to develop I mean I did like

at the very end I guess where they they handed over the the 10 rings to or or the the what's it was 10 rings is the name of the gang right sure I thought so but either way I they they they hand they hand it off to the daughter, which I liked, but I thought that they kind of moved her to the side at one point. Yeah. You know, she had like a bigger role in the beginning, and then she just kind of, then as it starts to develop and the dad comes back, she just kind of, these kind of push her to the side and then it's like, oh, now she takes over. Well, what I liked about it was the, I just, I feel like that war of the 10 Rings is so much more, um, uh, conducive to expanding the MCU, I think in a, in a, in an honest. and in a digestible way. It didn't feel like,

because there's a lot that they're putting on, like a lot of new mythology, but it never felt overwhelming. And I never was worried like, oh, but that, and so now how is like what, and so there weren't too many like dots that feel,

it felt like more pieces of a puzzle were fitting. I think it goes back to your point when you're talking about like the multi, this is, this is that simple story. Yes. Yes. This is that straight up.

This is an origin story. I always love a good origin story. Yeah. And it does play in the very end. You know, that credit scene like I thought that um where you have uh Benedict Benedict um oh my god from uh Dr. Strange. Cumberbatch.

Not Cumberbatch. Isn't it the, oh my gosh. Wong. Wong. Thank you. So he I love because everyone was so convinced that in that scene that we saw when that trailer came out that it was abomination that he was fighting from Hulk. Oh right.

Right. It wasn't. Yeah. It was just somebody else. And then so Wong wants to beating his ass and then he goes out, off and then they have that scene with Hulk and Captain Marvel at the end. I thought that was a good touch.

It's a good way to kind of entering them into the fray. And there was that, and there's with those moments of comedy that we're talking about how that's where Aquafina always shines, right? I didn't buy the stuff with her as the archer though. Like that's, that stuff to me was that, that's when I started.

I was a little. I was fine with that, yeah. It's the same type of stuff that I have. There's another thing I'm going to talk about soon. It's like, I don't mind when they have, when it's like,

okay, this is the thing that we've given that you're going to be able to do. And once you do it, you're going to be great at it. Right. But give it some time. Right, right, right. Let's figure, like, there's something else again. We review it something soon where particular person is just wreck and shop. And it's like, I want to see you wreck shop.

Right. But ease into it because it's like, first of all, if you started 100, there's nowhere else to go. And, but this is a little different, I guess, because, you know, there's, it's just, the, the reasoning behind it was she's got, she's got to shoot that. She's got to shoot that dragon. She's got to hit the clutch shot right there. I've been playing basketball that long, but you got to, you got to drain this deep three. It all go, the training stuff, it all goes back to, and you may not remember this. I do. We might not have been together. You saw Ex-Men first class. It was Riley. So, Riley. Yeah, but did you see it again with me? I don't know. Maybe. Maybe I love that movie. Because I remember sitting in the theater, I think it was with you. And, again, everybody liked the movie, but there was, like, an audible kind of, like, murmur chuckle. When Jennifer Lawrence delivers that line, like, because they have this, like, huge training, like, at the mansion that she's like, but we've been training so hard all week. And it's like, this is only a week.

A week. Yeah. Yeah. You have a week to fight this? Yeah. It's true. They've been training camp for a week. Yeah.

And so now it's like that timeline is, is even truncating more. It's like, you discovered something special about yourself. You have three minutes to perfect your craft before you got to go up. against the biggest baddie in the galaxy. It's a lot of forgivable stuff and all these things too. I just, right before you got here, I was responding to the comments on our

Spider-Man far from home, not far from home, yeah, far from home. And there was a guy who, and correct, the guy's going to correct me, but Denmark. And it doesn't need to,

remember there's that scene when Spider-Man just gets his ass kicked by Mysterio and he goes, he passes down on a train, he winds up in some, like, small little village. Right. So his commenter was like,

like this pissed me off because here's really what would happen in that case. A, this little town wouldn't happen. They would have checked them at customs. There would have been these things. I'm like, yeah, but there's also like beings flying around in the air. Right. There's also superiors. Like little things you got to let pass, you know, like little things you got to go.

It doesn't mean it doesn't have. You can't go, well, wait a minute. But you got to let it pass. Otherwise, because you let those things. I try to say that for the big stuff. I think we all have those things. And so my issue with the with the no way home trailer was, I think like the big stuff.

Yeah. You go back to Far From Home. Again, the kid made already a huge blunder by giving Mysterio Tony Stark's glasses. Right. And so you think you learn from that. Again, that's like a normal 17-year-old kid. Maybe I can say he's never met a wizard before. He didn't want the responsibility.

This is a special 17. Yeah, I know. But still, it doesn't mean that he's still not 17. All the stuff you did when you're 17. I was never recruited to fight international. You never got bit by a spider? I never got bit by a spider. Yeah, right.

But that does- Well, no, I did get bit by a spider. Yeah, but you never got powers because it's not a radioactive spider. Right, but imagine if you did. And you still be the same Mark Ellis. You'd still be that same. And, you know. I like to think I could hold it together.

Imagine you're getting... Back then, you'd be swinging for notches. You're getting a vasectomy. I don't care what age you are. You're staying perfectly still until the doctor completes the procedure. True. You're not freaking out in the middle of it saying, oh, wait, can you not cut the whole thing?

Can you just cut a little bit? Right. I know. Yeah, look. You're not wrong. I can't stand these decisions. These characters are making these days. Well, look, you've got a better decision to make, Mark, because Draft Kings.

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If you have a gambling problem, please call 1-800 gambler. I'm in, man. I believe in football for another week with my team. You know, big win over the goat. Yeah, that was big. We'll see. What are you doing for the holidays? You're going home?

Going to Florida for Thanksgiving. What's in Florida? My uncle and his family. Mom's going to fly down there on. What part? Near St. Pete ish. A little, like Bradenton. You should call my brother.

Yeah. Probably be around that area. You're performing while you're there? Him and I text frequently. Um, no, no, no plants, dude, no, right. Well, don't brag about it. No, but my, uh, my mom texts me. She's like, hey, some of the family is going to do an escape room Friday night, like the Friday after they, Thanksgiving. And they want to know if you, if you were in. And I was like, um, I'm out. Yeah. You don't like to do things anymore. I don't like to do escape rooms. I've never done one. I feel like five years ago, you would have. Uh, 10 years ago I would. 10. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, I think maybe getting more, um, responsibilities and more. more jobs, which is great. And I just, I don't know.

I think that a lot of times, you know, you're younger, you agree to things. You're like, oh, that could be fun. We'll see how it goes. And now I'm just kind of, I think that there's been a hard, much like the stuffing I prefer, there's a hardened crust about me now. Yeah.

And it's very hard to penetrate that, which is why I'm saying. I kind of like it more. This mark? Yeah. No, it's a pretty, it's, I really don't, I don't feel bitter in my heart. You're like, I think I come off that way.

You're like me. You're like me without. the kids. Okay. I get it. Yeah. I understand you. Well, yeah, because the pushback is like, oh, you don't do escape rooms.

What, you don't like fun? It's like, of course I like fun. It's like you're, but it's your, what you find, it's like the same thing. There are people who like the last Jedi and there are people who don't. Right. There are different versions of what you like. Right. And that is exactly why, like, you know, hey, I remember as a kid loved roller coasters.

Loved them. I went on a Harry Potter ride with my. My daughter. I bet in Universal. Two or threes got motion sickness. Did you really? Nothing to do with it ever again. And I lived for roller coasters as a kid.

Like I had to drag, I would drag everybody to go with me, screaming and yelling. I would stay on there. You know, hey, let me stay again. Yeah. Now it's like, because my daughter the other day, I felt terrible. Like she goes, she goes, when we go back, I want to go on the new one. And I'm like, I don't go near that. I'll go on that with her.

You should go on with her. Come with us. Because I can't. I'm in. Come with us. Because I can't. It's not a matter of not. wanting to. I don't get ill. I don't want to do that. They don't ruin the rest of the trip.

You're past your coaster prime. I am. I'm excited to see because last time I went to Disneyland, again, not my choice, but you go to Disneyland, you know, and they have some really good coasters there. Yeah, they do. And I really enjoyed it. That was my favorite part by far. And it was, it was a hyperspace mountain or whatever it is. And the one on the California adventure, I think it was called Scream or something. It's actually got a loop in it. And I love a good loop. I mean, I grew up going to Bush Gardens. You like the water ones? Yeah. Yeah, like the water ones. Yeah. But, and So now I'm excited because now I have a niece and two nephews who are about that age to go to theme parks. And so I'm like, all right, let's go.

Let's see if Uncle Mark still got the stuff. And now I can buy beer at theme parks. I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to, that one is going to be your fun. I'm going to make you go through it. Take me up on it. Yeah. You foot the bill for the butter beer and I'm good. We'll go because we're going to, because like my wife and I aren't going near that thing.

She really wants to go and you can be fun Uncle Mark for that one. I'm totally. I'll be cool with people who wear sleeveless shirts at theme parks. 100%. That's going to be me. That's going to be everybody. That's what happens at those parks. I remember thinking like being at Bush Gardens and it's being cognizant of like,

this is how a lot of people dress. Yeah, that's probably where you got your fashion sense from. You didn't even realize it. You took it, you took it with you for the rest of your life. You saw it implanted. The two shirts that I remember seeing people wearing at Bush Gardens being like, oh, wow, that's a real statement was one, everybody was excited about Tyson's

comeback fight. And so I saw people wearing. I guess so, yeah. And it was like Mike's back or whatever. But the one that I remember, my brother and I were like, Man, that's a bold statement. What's this shirt that said new kids suck? Like new kids on the block?

And it was like, oh, man, they're fighting the man. You know, they're rebelling against his popular boy. Somewhere Joey McIntyre is like, well, I do. Yeah, right. Joey McIntyre. How did that happen? He became like the cool one. Yeah.

Jordan was the one back in the, all the girls loved Jordan. Jordan night was pretty smoking hot back in the day. He's like the accountant now. Yeah, Donnie's always been like on the same level. Donnie's like the cop. Right, right. But he was either either be the cop. the mobster. He was like the bad boy, right? Donnie was. Yeah, he was. Yeah. He's also like 30 years older

than, true. Speaking of Walberg's is that, you know, people really lost their shit on the uncharted trailer. I love that game. So you got, again, Tom Holland, making hopefully better decisions. Yeah. You have, you have Walberg in there. Yeah, I mean, I saw that trailer. Did you ever play the game? I never played uncharted. Okay. So then I'm curious what you think, because I did play play the game. I had way less of a problem than most people did with Tom Holland. Like as a young Drake.

Is that who people were reacting to more than Walberg? No. Wahlberg definitely is the one for sure who's the most. They're like, come on. That's not even close. But I think everybody just sees Holland now as Spider-Man. So he doesn't have that same

kind of swag that Nathan Drake has. Without the MCU backing? Yeah, no, well, Nathan Drake has, like, a certain swag about him that I just don't know if Holland pulls off yet, but he's also the younger version of him. Who would you have cast? You're not allowed to say Nathan Phillyen 20 years ago. Yeah, then I have no answer. You know, this, I, my, this Mike Kalinowski account?

Sure. Mike Kalanowski 20 years ago. All right. But I had more of a problem with, with Walbert. Okay. Because the Sully character, like Bruce Campbell from like Burn notice, perfect solid. I mean and but again that's right years ago you know but that type of character or that type of Walberg's just like you know come on kid do what you got to do you get and jump jump from

jump from box to box I it felt to me like I was watching another Tomb Raider yeah so it wasn't anything special to you no you could show me scenes from Tomb Raider and scenes from uncharted and I probably would not be able to it's unfortunate you know but I but I get it that'd be a fun game I know but expand to schmow down into an alternate timeline where you got to just watch it. You have to watch a scene from a movie and say, is it A or B? Yeah. That's fun.

Not too far away from that. That's fun. Yeah, it's fun. Like a bank robbing scene and it's like, is this the town or point break? You got to figure it out. I show you guys did that for Rotten Tomatoes. Oh, man, that was a fun episode. Who was on the Point Break one with you?

Kyle Brandt from Good Morning Football. Oh, okay. Yeah, and he is a massive point break fan. And what are they, and what is, and Rotten Tomatoes has to have it wrong. What do they have it at? 69%, which I was actually, because that's fresh. And I was happy with that. Me too.

But, I mean, the movie. Again, it's so much of it holds up. I've watched not too long ago. It's great. Did you ever watch the remake? I saw it in the theater. The remake. Yes.

I saw in the theater and I tweeted because I went to go pee about halfway through the movie. I remember tweeting at the urinal, as we all do, that, hey, you know, I'm halfway into the new point break and I don't hate it yet. Yeah. And then walking out of the theater, I was like, okay, now I hate it. It wouldn't have been a bad movie. Yeah. I mean, it wouldn't have been a good movie. But if you just called it something else, because those guys are more like extreme sports than the original ex-presidents were extreme sport enthusiasts, but these fellows took it to like a new, they're like doing motocross and like doing all these other things.

They wanted to expand on it that, yeah, you could have made it a different movie and just, it's okay sometimes to say if it's point break, but it's not point break and go, well, this is kind of like point break. I think that does you more justice than saying this is a remake and calling it point break. You should have called it like it. It would have been fine in the, triple X franchise. Yeah, or just something that it's like, you know, it's like, oh, like, look, fast and furious. Perfect example. You watch the first Fast and Furious. It's called Fast and Furious, but it's a rip off of Point Break.

It's almost beat for beat. Beat for beat. And nobody ever says, oh, this is a remake, a point break, and it sucks. It's like, this is just like point break. And then he started a franchise off of it. So, like, that's the type of stuff that you can do. Like another example, we're just talking about, so new Ghostbusters, right? Yeah.

So afterlife is absolutely a tie-in to. one and two, more so one, but one and two. And it's a tie-in as where the, you have the other Ghostbusters. Right, 2016. Which they didn't, had that, we talked about this back in the day when we saw it. Had they actually tied that more so into the original franchise

and put them as the daughters or something else and didn't make Bill Murray like a weird character. A deep bunker and, and then Accords a cab driver. It was just weird. Yeah, the cameos didn't hit. They didn't hit in the movie itself. It was like, you had some funny.

You have really funny actors in there. Hemsworth is fine. You get some really funny. I mean, again, I still like that movie for what it was. The Jaws mayor line killed me and still kills me to this day. Because Andy Garcia plays like sort of the rotten mayor. And I think it's Kristen Wick who says, you're worse than the mayor from Jaws. And he like takes such offense to. He's like, I am not the Jaws mayor.

Like it was just a funny one. But even that, it's like even you could even try to do something where it's similar ghost hunters or something along the lines where you, you probably change some of the stuff up, the firehouse and all those things. But you could have done that with just. for it had nothing to do the fact that it didn't matter who they were men women it just didn't work together with how they were and they sold it in that trailer like i remember that was the big problem you had was that it's a different universe yes again timelines that's right so sick of these goddamn timeline and and but it's set it up to like where it is continuing though because it's like

25 years ago now it's like now we're going back but it never existed in the first place so now this was the first time we're doing it and it was a little confusing you don't mess with but when you start messing with expectations, that's where you get into a trouble. Sure. And so putting the label of a beloved franchise, either Ghostbusters or a point break or a, now see, die hard has done it differently because die hard, the last two. Wasn't the sequel to Commando 2? Pretty disappointing.

Wasn't the first one? Wasn't something like that? It was based on a novel, but they, it was loosely based on a novel. But originally Schwarzenegger said no. Stallone said no. Richard Gears said no. A lot of people said no. Nobody wanted Bruce Willis because they're like, oh, the moonlight guy, the blind date guy?

You're kidding me? And he ended up being perfect for the role. Did you know that Bruce Willis turned down the role of Martin Riggs in Lethal Weapon? And Mel Gibson turned down the role of John McLean in diamond. No, that's crazy. And so you look at where those two franchises are now, and they have been so ripped off and copied. Like, they've made their own sequels that have been very successful. but then ad nausea.

Speed is die hard in a bus. The bus is Nagatomi Plaza. Under siege, the boat is Nakatomi Plaza. Sudden death. Van Dam playing goalie in an ice rink that is not going to tell me. That's what I mean. It's like you can do, because even if the criticism is,

that's just die hard on a boat. Well, yeah, but was it good? Yeah. And then because die hard on a boat or die hard on a boat was good. Die hard on a bus was good. Canada Reeves and Stephen Seagall both really good in. Great action. Warner Brothers doing a reboot of Underseeds, by the way.

Okay, that is one you should reboot. Right. Well, I mean, that goes back into it. Don't make it like the nephew of Casey Ryback. Like, now he's on a boat. Well, that's the thing with reboots and remakes is that I happen to like the reboot way more. Like, again, using the example, I would much rather them try to do something like afterlife. Because Afterlife, Ghostbusters's Afterlife.

So you like the, it's a reboot. It's a reboot of the franchise. It's not a remake. So you're saying Ghostbuster 2016 was a remake. That was a remake. Rebooted the franchise. I mean, there's ways to, it depends.

You could also say, you could also say it. You could say that. I think you could say that too, depending, but it depends, though, right? So I think that right now it does play as a sequel. Okay. But if it starts to go into a new franchise and there's three new movies, it's rebooted the franchise. And when you have this amount of time pass,

right? Then a proper sequel has trouble working like Dumb and Dumber or something. like that. Yeah. Well, you can even say that the Force Awakens in essence was a reboot of the Star Wars franchise also, right? It was a sequel, no doubt, but it was also a reboot of the franchise because it was, because when it's, like you said, when it's that dormant for so long, it hasn't been, hasn't been a movie, there hasn't anything, you're, what, what's a reboot? Starting it back up and getting it to, to move again. That universe is just held on a different level of, uh, it is, but in definition of, of, of being sacred. And the Force Awakens isn't a reboot,

simply because it leaned so much on. The originals? Yeah, so like the connective tissue is so strong there. Now, if you just had Ray Finn and Poe running around and they heard this myth of Luke at one point, then it went in a totally different direction. That maybe is a reboot. But Ghostbusters's afterlife, from what I'm hearing,

has enough connective tissue to be a sequel, but it also is enough of a reboot to sort of separate itself. Yeah, see, my definition of it too, and is more so if it's rebooting the franchise to get it back on track, if it's getting, like, to move it, like not remake it. Like, Footloose was a remake. Right.

Ghostbusters, 2016, was a remake. When they're rebooting the franchise to get it kind of moving again, that's to me, in essence, what a reboot is. But anyway, so. Yeah, we're beating around the bush. The bottom one, there's literally no way. And I'm saying this right now on record. There is no way that a remake of Underseech is going to be anywhere near as good as the

original. No, it can't be because of the- There's no way, especially from the time that it's, time. Like those, they don't make those, the movies the same way. What was the last good diehard,

as-off? The one with Gerard Butler in the White House. The first one. The first one. What was it called? White House down. No. Olympus is falling.

Olympus is falling. I like that first one. I like that. I like that. Yeah. There's great. Yeah. London is falling.

It's all right. No, the last one with Nick Nogh. Oh my God. I forgot about that one. Right? I totally forgot about that one. Angel is falling?

The best one. It's the best one. Yeah. But no, there's things though in that, like this is the big criticism for most people on Ghostbusters Afterlife, right? It's that it leans too much on nostalgia. It's a lot of nostalgia. There's a lot of Easter eggs. There's a lot of like, hey, remember that, remember that, remember that, tons of it.

But the thing that I don't think enough people are also taking consideration, the movie is made by Jason Reitman. His father made this movie. he grew up with this stuff. This was probably a massive part of his life for a long time. This is a love letter to Ghostbusters. And it's also a family movie. This is a very different movie. The Ghostbusters that we knew like there's,

and I used it in the review is that there's that line where Bill Murray famously says, it's true, this man has no dick. It's a different, it was as much made for that Saturday Night Live, like Saturday Night back then was more so like for the comedy club audience at 10 o'clock at night.

Saturday Night Live back in the 70s and 8. Yeah, so you think 1984 Ghostbusters just kind of stumbled a this found gold of being a family movie, even though it necessarily wasn't made to be that? It wasn't. Because it had that same kind of animal house people in it. Yeah.

The same circle of those guys that could really rip those types of inappropriate jokes and throw those in there. And, of course, you had some family stuff in there, but there's some stuff going on that was, you know, pretty risque. A lot of sexual tension. Yeah. And there's some of, there's little of that in this one. But it's really, the lead girl.

It's so good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She's so good. She's so likable. Spangler. She's so likable.

And you're just like, I didn't know. I thought it was going to be, what's his face? Wolfheart. Finn Wolfheart, yeah. I thought he was going to be like the lead kid and they were going to go stranger things, it with him. And they don't. And I like that.

Because he always, right, because he's always that guy. He's got a different type of role. He's just that he's her brother and he's like an awkward kid that's trying to, trying to, you know, meet the girls in the town and trying to figure it out. And he gets involved and he helps, but it's not his story. It's her story. And it really works because she's so charming. She's so like, Paul Rudd's great. And then they have the Carrie Coon from from leftovers.

So I found myself, it's a little slow at points. I heard of slow and then the end makes it worth it. I teared up at the end. Good. I teared up at the end. So I'm curious. I feel like you'd really like it. Okay.

Yeah, but we'll see. I mean, yeah, I don't watch movies anymore. No, you don't. You know what else I feel like you like, Mark? What's that? I feel like you would like to brush your teeth a little bit more. I could use some more quip in my life. You know you love quip.

Yeah, I know you do. And you should. It's funny. Everybody that comes on this show uses quip and they should. Because you got to practice health routines, man. It's very, very important, especially as you get to become two grouchy old turds like myself and Mark. it's important.

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Everything else, good with you? You've been gotten up a lot? Yeah. Going to D.C. That's exciting. Thanks for the invite. Tickets at Mark Ellis. Live.

You know the invitation's still there. Careful, man. I know. Next year, next year I'm going to take you up on it for sure. Because once we start getting into the tour, and everything we're doing as far as Schmowdown and you've got the spectacular coming up. Have you seen the ad?

You see the ad? Yeah. Where is it? Here's the ad for the Schmodeown Spectacular. Don't miss. The biggest event in movie trivia history. The Shmodown Spectacular 6. All of the championships are on the line. Lady Justice Marisol McKee looks to defend her championship

for a second time. John Roka, the final match in the Outlaw's Story career. Get your tickets now. The Shmodown Live.com. That's how you do it. You think this is the biggest event that we've done so far? It's massive. It's pretty big.

Yeah. Because you have some, you have a lot of new. You have some old. Yeah. You put it all into Vitamix. You're talking about legacies on the line. You're talking about people trying to build their legacies, trying to establish themselves. Full card now announced at this point.

So we got, you want to give predictions? I don't do predictions. I don't do predictions. I think it's fair. I don't think it's fair. I don't do it either. Yes, you do. No, I don't.

No, I don't. You do in your head. In my head. Yeah. Don't even let my own. If I do it on the air, like, I get texts. Oh, you're my favorite. You said you're, they're your favorite.

You want them to win. You want this to. I don't even let the synapse is connect in my head like that. It's exhausting. Yeah. Professional. Yeah. You know.

And other than that, everything else has been going pretty. good. I think we got, you know, this channel now is moving. We got over 22,000. Over 20? 20. 22,000 now. It's not. You're welcome. It's, it's old. It really reminds me of the old school days, though. Like, because I'm, this one, I've been building out, like, really on my own. Like, you know, we have the, uh, we have for, for Schmoor down, there's, we have all the help that we

have over at Sky Mountain, but over here, it's like me, Derek, the marketing guy who's amazing. Right. And, um, and Scott are podcast guy. There's really the only three that are really, I have yet to meet a Derek or Scott. I don't think. So, Scott's not in town, but Derek, dude, this guy. Marketing genius? Not only just a marketing genius, like really invested in, like, the analytics and, like, the idea. And him and I will be talking about back and forth about, okay, this is, the audience really seems to be digging this.

We should try to do this. We should do that. He's your, he's your Jonah Hill to your Brad Pitt in Moneyball. But he is. And it's like, but he knows what I want to do where I want to do stuff that I'm just like talking about, like this type of stuff. I don't want to do, well, this is tracking, so you should talk about this. Oh, you want to talk about the things you want to talk about. A lot of times those do line up with the big topics of the day.

Or the House of Gucci, right? So House of Gucci is an example like that a lot of people, I didn't do a trailer reaction to that one. Yeah. People are really interested in this movie. It's a movie I want to see. Someone saw it. Check it out. You know, like the Hawkeye.

People want to talk about it. People want to hear about it. Spider-Man. People want to talk about it. People want to hear about it. I want to see those movies. Rocky versus Drago, put that out there because obviously that's something. I wish I would have gotten that out a little earlier because I think people were like hyped up when it first came out.

It stuck me. I'm telling you, man, there's something to this where I just get, and I've had this issue for a while. I remember thinking this when Angley's Hulk came out because I saw the, I saw the commercial for Hulk. It debuted during the Super Bowl. Yeah. And the movie came out like that summer, but it was like the Super Bowl was like, oh, my God, that is Hulk. And they had the, you know, like music blaring and it was awesome. and I was so excited

I would have gone to see it the next day. And then just something waned in me. And so now I see all these trailers, like even Rocky 4. It was like I was ready to run through a brick while watching that trailer. And then time passes and you're like, I'll figure it out.

Yeah. Are you besides ESPN of old Washington games, what are you watching right now to do? Anything? They haven't had us on ESPN in a minute. I watched Dopesick. Oh, how is that? Really, really good.

Yeah. Yeah. Really, really heartbreaking. I mean, it's a true story about the opioid crisis, and it's just this one little town in Tennessee, but then they also, like, you just look at the, some of it's dramatized because I've seen the HBO did a great two-part documentary series on it, but man, those Purdue Pharma,

but the Sacklers. Oh, Hulu, right? Hulu, yeah. Yeah, and your boy, Michael Stuborg is great, and it has a very conniving evil genius. are you at with Dexter? I know you started with Dexter. Still in season one, but I'm going to keep blasting through that, and I'm going to watch

The Witcher. Okay. Is this for work? TV, yeah. Okay. There's no way you're just going to venture into, I'm not saying you wouldn't be interested in it, but you venturing into it on your own, there's no way unless it's for work. No, I realized I didn't know this until last night. I actually had been paying for Paramount Plus.

I'm like, oh, let's give this a shot. It's good. The mayor of Kingstown with Kyle Chandler and Jeremy Renner. Good? No. not good. Something happens in episode long. Yeah. Where I'm like, I don't think I'm making the distance with this.

Too stupid? No, just something happens. Tell me. I'm not going to tell you. I'll tell you once the cameras are off. It could be interpreted as a spoiler. Now, there might be another timeline where that event doesn't ever happen. Or it might be a timeline where you actually told me on the air and stopped being a dick about.

I just wonder if it's a cop out at some point where it's like, you know what? We really wrote ourselves into a car. You know how? Halloween kills is on Paramount Plus, too. Who? Halloween kills. How many kills on Peacock? That's what I meant.

Yes, you did. Yes. There's other stuff. Paul Patrol's on Paramount Plus. I'm hearing great things about that movie. You heard that from Justine Marino. I did, yes. She went to go see it all by herself.

My four-year-old loves it. So there's Justine Maria. You see that Clifford, the big dog? I did see it. I did watch. Is it good? That dog looks adorable. Yeah, it's, you know.

Is it a great movie? No. But is it, I mean, that's the thing. I watch movies differently now. like when I have, when I'm watching with the kids. Like I look at, if I'm, if I'm sitting down, I was playing with the dog on the floor and I look over and I see my four-year-old and my 10-year-old laughing, automatically that's movie becomes special to me. Look at you.

But it's true. It's like, you know, okay, that's a moment that I see them and that's making them happy. Yeah. So for that, I'm like, this is, and there's this guy who's on, I forget what his name is, English actor who he plays an American in this movie, but he was in Jungle Cruise. And he plays like, they all play Americans. Yeah, I know. You know, I'm British. I did know that.

I didn't know that. I didn't know if I was supposed to. It was like a secret identity. I was supposed to keep it quiet. Most of the friends you folks have at home that you think are American? Yeah. They're British. They're all British.

And the ones that are not, Russian spies. Before we get out of here, what's the love life like? You dating anybody? Nope. Good for you. All right. Let's get out of here. Moving on, everyone.

So thank you guys so much for joining us. It is Monday. We're going to be Wednesday. We got Matt Sarah on. The great Matt Sarah is going on. That'll be fun. It's fun, man. I can't wait to have everybody listen to our conversation.

It was a blast. We talk about a lot of some of the same things, a lot of different things here, too. But his take is so it's just. He's more excitable than I. He's not a Debbie Downer. But he's so, he loves Dune, loves it. I do too. But he still got to see it.

Loves Dune. And he goes off about Dune in a great way. It's, it's infectious when you, when's the next Dune coming out. Probably not for a bit. Because it just got greenlit like a couple months. Oh, we haven't even made the day. I thought it was one of those. That's right.

That's right. I thought it was one of them. Hey, let's just shoot all of them. If I was the guest, probably say 20, 23, 24. Good. Yeah. Make us wait. Make us wait.

Like the old days. We're not going to make you wait too much longer. You got Wednesday for the big thing with Sarah. And then Friday is the big finale of the Spider-Man rewatch series with me, Winston Marshall. We need an Into the Spider-verse. Check out Mark Ellis. Mark Ellis. Where he's going to be performing.

Washington, D.C., December 16th through the 19th. Right. And check him out on Rotten Tomatoes. on pika. And then, yeah, after that, next week, we have a bunch of stuff. We got my reviews of Halsoguchi and the first two episodes of Hawkeye this week.

So thanks, guys. Have a great Thanksgiving, but I'll see you on Wednesday, but have a great Thanksgiving and see you on the flip side. Oh, yeah, subscribe. Forget that. I do that.

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