The Kristian Harloff Show - Star Wars now has TWO movies coming out in 2026?!

Episode Date: June 14, 2023

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You should be too. All right. What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the big thing. Excited to have you back here today. We got a lot to talk about, man. Obviously, remember that whole big plan? We're going to do big event movies every three years for Star Wars.

We're going to start in 2025. Ah, forget it. We're going to just didn't do, we'll do two movies in 2026. Why? I don't know, because we're not going to stick to anything we say. Del Toro, he's going to stick to doing animated. We got a lot of news from James Gunn and the DCU, for short. James Mangled, another James, James Mangled,

talking on his press tour for Indiana Jones, starts talking about his Star Wars movie. He's going to start writing it soon, and it looks like we might have a date zoning in on it. But he really talked about the particular way he's approaching it. So we're going to get into that. They have the Star Wars Outlaw game that premiered, or they showed a trailer for it anyway.

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Where'd you go? You go somewhere? No, you're sitting out. Oh, okay. So you went outside. You do go somewhere. It's outside. Work.

No, I'm sitting here. Protecting the A toll. A toll. A lot of the A toll. A lot of the A hole. Okay. Okay. Lover of the A hole.

Are you? Okay, good for you. Come on now. Come on. Come on. Now, of course. Very important. Anyway, it is.

Yeah, look, since she's been at an Instagram game, your girlfriend's been taken up of the space now, too. So there you go. So we're back. Very good. Yeah. Very good. I was just talking about that this morning.

What did you say? Yeah, what do you say? I'd say, trap away. Right. I don't give off. I'm not one of those men. They're like, no, what do you do? A little cover up.

I was like, there's more that she's like, I can't put this. So they're like, yes, you can. Yes, you can. I love her. Yeah, because Mike also shows the confidence of Mike. Mike knows it. She looks great. She does.

I want the under tube hanging out. I know you so well that people are like, you think Mike minds? No. I was like, I'm happy. Why would I mind? Most people mind. Why? Because Mike walks by and goes, that's what I do.

They mind. I want to ask you, it's like, you get guys sliding into DMs. Are they sliding in there? Let me hear. Let me read them. They're funny. And she doesn't. She doesn't.

She doesn't really get the DMs from guys. Good. Slide in there. Don't encourage me. Yet. Ah, come on now. Anyway, it's all good fun. Well, welcome back.

We got a lot to talk about it for you guys who are joining this show for the first time. And you're wondering, oh, I think you guys just do a Sith Council show. This is essentially the Sith Council show. We just, for the first half an hour, we talk about all this stuff going on in Star Wars News and kind of get into that. And then we'll go into some other topics. So we have also had the flashes tracking really well. I wanted to get Mike's thoughts on that. Did you see the movie yet?

No. Oh, okay. Spoil it for me. No, no spoils. No spoils. But we are going to, so we'll talk about a lot of things. And then Asoka's right around the corner. And once Assoca comes out, the full episode will be back to Star Wars for the whole show.

But that being said, there are a few different stories, and let's get to them. All right, here's this report. And this came out. There's a whole big report about all the movies that are getting moved, whether it's Deadpool, Avatar, all that. But Star Wars, new release calendar, that's two films in 2026, the 2025 date now Gonski. and that's where Avatar lands. But Disney has announced that they will no longer be releasing a Star Wars film on December 19, 2025. Instead, they are planning on releasing two features in 26,

seven months apart on May 22nd, 2020, and December 18th, 20206. First film on that list comes out three weeks after Avengers the Kang Dynasty, that's smart, is released in theaters, and the company has not announced which movies will come out on each date. However, the most likely scenario is that this is the Charmaine-Obeyed-Chinoi-directed film they were targeting for 2025, and that due to the writer's strike, they had to press pause for that on the moment.

Meanwhile, the December date is likely the Dave Filoni directed film that will culminate the overarching story told them the Mandalorian and spinoff shows during the New Republic era. There's the third Star Wars theatrical release marked on the calendar for 2027, December 17th, which as far as we know, hasn't been moved

with the recent production updates. It's likely it's the James Mangold, written and directed film. There's two more Star Wars films in development, one by Tycho Attee, and another by Sean Levy. Yad, yada, yada, yada, yada. Okay.

So there's a lot of date changes here, but the biggest for what we're talking about right now is this Star Wars shift, right? So here, let's start with the negative on it right away because it goes back to the PR thing that we've talked about a million times over. I'm going to start with you, Steph. So we keep talking about this.

this keeps happening. There is an announcement that is made that's like, oh, no, this is what we're doing. This is why what's going to happen. No, no, no, you know what we really want to do? We want to do this. We're going to go to this James Bond thing. Never mind that George Lucas used to do it.

We're going to do this James Bond every three years. Event film, this is like a month ago. We're going to do these big event things every three years. And we got a movie coming out in 2025. Hey, by the way, just kidding. 26 is when we're going to put the movie out. And just kidding. We're putting two out.

and then remember that three-year thing forget about that the next year i put another one out just stop saying things like that was only a month ago wasn't it it was like a month ago but first of all let's let's stay with that okay are you on the same page with me on this yeah i really feel like i don't know if they need a hug over there but it feels like they're like hey we're still here like every like month when their movies get moved or anything it's like they want to people to still know they're still here, but it's like, we know that. So just like work on the movies and then release them when you're ready. So stop telling us.

But stop telling us the wrong thing. Right. It's not even stop telling us. Stop telling us the wrong thing. Yeah. Like, what, why do you do that? Are all of these delays because of the writer strike? I think it's, I think it certainly has something to do with it.

But I think there's other things involved as well. But I think, you know. Yeah, because this was a pattern before the writer. Yeah, but I also think that they wanted to get the hell out of the way of Avatar. Avatar is probably like, we're not ready yet. Avatar is going to take a little bit more time. Avatar right now, if you're Disney and you have Avatar Star Wars, Avatar is the sure winner over Star Wars right now.

You're 100% right. And you're like, Avatar wants that spot. Bye, bye, get out of the way. Oh, okay, I guess we'll move out of the way. And then they do, I think it is stupidity to put it three weeks after Avengers again. That's what they did last time. And how'd that work out for solo? Right.

Yeah. So I think it's complete, and that might be a Bob Eiger thing and not a Kathleen Kennedy thing. But maybe because it's like, okay, well, look, last time it was solo, there wasn't enough interest in it. But I don't know. What do you think about this way? Yeah. That's like I got to say that. I don't know.

Because if we talked it was a month ago with this announcement, the writer's strike's been going on for, I think, five weeks now. Something like that. So clearly you knew you were going to have gone strike, and you knew you should be delaying. things. I'm going to say this. You know, people give a lot of crap to DC. But what James Gunn did did was the smartest thing. He said, we got 10 films, chapter one. These are them. But didn't give dates. And there's still more to come. They didn't. They say, this is the order. Surments coming first and they're going after that. We don't know dates. When they're done, they're done and they'll come out there. And we're all fine. We're all like, great. Can't

wait. This Star Wars BS. We just talked about this. Like, oh, three year plan. Every three years. Nah, nah. Two a year. And then one next year. And it was like last month. Like what the f. How do you do that? How do you plan your slate? But that goes back to that Roxy thing. You need a PR person to go, don't say that. Shut your mouth.

Shut your mouth. All you need to do is this. All you need to do is say, up top, hey, we have movies coming out. We're so excited. We announced those at celebration. Can't wait to have a, when it is concrete. Have you learned nothing? Nothing's been concrete.

I'll say this. I'll say this. Even Marvel's kind of fumbled on this a lot lately. They're kind of having to push stuff back. Yeah, but their stuff has. been a lot of different reasons. I know, but like look at Blade. Yeah. Blade. And now the major's thing, until the major's things get straightened out, you don't tell a date for your Kang Dynasty film. Right. Well, they don't. You should not. They pushed it. They pushed it. But you do need to figure that

out. Yeah. And then talk about that because he might not even be called Kang Dynasty anymore. Right. But that makes sense, right? We like, we under, I think us people who are aware of the situation are like, oh yeah, take your time on that one. Right. Because they were, because they had a plan and the plan was derailed because of, hold on, because the plan was derailed because of things that happened. Out of their control. This didn't get it to derail. This is more so like, well, I've done this a million times before of announcing things and

saying things and then just kidding. Like what? I just don't understand why you say that. If, if you've announced three directors at Star Wars Celebration that the math itself didn't add up. We said that when we talked about the story. It doesn't add up. What are you going to do?

You're going to put a movie out in 2025, then 2028 and then 2031? Why in the world would you even announce? that. Right. But that's not the case. It makes more sense that they would do 2026 and 2027 because we always thought Falonis would hit in that 2026. Yeah.

And it hasn't been announced, but it certainly seems like it will because, again, the math. Asoka's season one and potentially season two will land in between that time. Mandalorian season four and potentially five could land in between that time with a closure. So that all makes sense that it would pair up there. But it's just, it's not the thing that they're actually doing. Okay. So we're going to take a shot and do two movies. in 2026.

Okay. Then let's see how it goes. Maybe you hit big in May and then you hit big in December. And if you take that risk and it pays off, well, then you, you know, you win at the table. It's not that. It's your announcement and your approach and your game plan is horrendous. I mean, horrendous. Yeah.

It's actually crazy at this point because we're so on the nose about it. Like we're always like looking for the news. so I don't think most people are aware, but it is like a comedy sketch. To like keep announcing things and be like, not even saying, sorry we announce that, just like next announcement.

Like all of us are dumb. But it's contradicting yourself every second. It's like, no, no, no, Fag you never had a movie. And then the Russo brothers,

yeah, we were going to direct that movie. It's like, what? Oh, they were never officially announced as the directors. Yeah,

they were. Yes, they were. Well, they were. Well, he would, they were never officially announced. out of the director.

But come on. If they're having those conversations, then clearly it was real. And it's just that those types, yeah, those types of things. And then there was another thing that we saw, this is from a while ago where she said something along the lines of, of George Lucas. Now, he never really had a, had a plan for 7, 8, 9. And there's various clips of him going, wow, we had a treatment for 789. And they just, we sold it to them and they didn't want it. Which, which, if, again, it's a matter.

It's a matter of saying, we did get something. we just decided to go another direction. Okay, we may not agree with that, or some fans might not agree with, but at least you're saying, I just don't, it's the approach of it is, is lunacy. And this, this is the latest one. But now let's try to shift into the positive of, of the news, right? And let's get into the actual movies themselves, right? So taking a shot in May on a Ray movie, I understand the logic behind it,

because it's, it's, you have, like, if you compare, chef, chef, chef, chef, chef, chef, Hello. I have been chefing. Have you been chefing lately? So maybe see, that was my subconscious knowing. Yeah, Chef Steff with the pot, boy. But tell me this, chef. Yes, chef.

When it comes to Ray, right, I think that the reason why you can take a shot at it is because it is a proven entity, right? As where Solo, even though Han Solo himself was very known, Alden Aron, R. Oh, whatever his name is. Alden-Arenreich, wasn't a proven entity. the movie had some problems. People weren't very excited about it at all. Plus, other variables. Yes. Do you think because it's Ray, that's why, and Daisy Ridley, and it's a well-known character, that that's why they're taking the shot, and do you think it's a good move? Yes, I definitely think so. I think the difference between Ray and Solo is a generational gap.

everyone who all the Gen Ziers, they might like the original trilogy, but most of them are on the sequel trilogy. And so they recognize Ray and they don't have the same love for Han. And so I think that you're getting, that's where you get the newer generation in. Yeah, and it's casual. Casual fans too. Right. Yeah. It's like most people liked the sequel trilogy, casual fans.

Casual fans. Casual fans. and most people liked or loved Ray as a character. She was one of the best parts of the sequel, in my opinion. So I think it's the safest decision if you want to like kind of work. If you're going to put something out in May. Yes. Yeah, because you're going to break because if I'm like Lucas film,

they have not put, the last movie they put out in May for Star Wars was solo. Right. It's the only disappointment that they've had. Now, they used to do the May date because that was the original. Yeah, but that was synonymous with Star Wars. Wars was May. It was like the first kind of big movie that ever came out in May. Yeah. So now they're shifting to do that because three weeks after Avengers, now it's not the same Marvel that they went up against, you know, in 2017 or whatever the hell of it was.

It's a different Marvel at this point. We don't know what the hell is even even the Avengers, how much that's going to be excited about. So I can understand the idea of why you'd go for it, especially with the lead up to 2016. But what do you think if this is indeed the case that this movies coming out. Good move? Three months after or three weeks after the Avengers? Yeah. I don't know. You make a good point because I'm trying to think we really

Marvel's kind of in a weird spot. Yeah. It's a weird spot. We don't know who the Avengers are. It's not that buildup of free phases to this end thing. We're kind of, we already threw a phase and it feels very middling. Like middling as in

it's just kind of sitting there. We're not building anything yet. The next two will be very telling. So Ray's going in fresh. There's nothing we need to build up to it. It's just how much do people want to see that movie? I don't know. I understand the strategy behind it.

I don't like to bet against Marvel. No, I just don't like to bet against them. They're on the same team, too. I know. I think to them it's just like, well, it's money, money. It's three weeks in between and they're hoping with the fingers crossed that they can try to make it work. And if people get hyped up and with trailers and everything else that can come out,

people get excited what the story is and how they set it up. up, it could be the right move. Then you lead into that December movie with Faloni, which if they're pacing it outright with the shows and getting everybody kind of excited throughout it, then it could be a good move. Star Wars is interesting. I don't know the, I'm not as privy to the release date kind of tea. What's the difference between like, why is it this three weeks? Like, isn't there a big like May 31st in July?

premier dates? Well, I think that and it also depends on which studios have already kind of booked out of it, right? Oh, because of like, IMAX. Yeah, but it just depends on maybe and look, far enough out in

26 that you might think there's more summer dates open and available, but maybe because they've already planned out Avengers when that was coming out and held that date or whatever, or they pushed it back too, but they wanted to aim at a story. certain area that and then may because it's synonymous again with star wars they wanted to give it a shot

and they wanted to hit hard because may does bring in more box office with summer a lot of times you do hit july dates it's this it's ever changing yeah it's ever changing so really is um i don't know you know how they're going to plan that out but i think as you lead up to that day philoni movie uh in december i think it's a good at least they have their they have their flag set for 2025 of Avatar, 2026 with Star Wars in December. It's a good strategy. Again, it's just a matter of

risk. And the other thing, by the way, did you guys see this report? I've actually heard conflicting things about Idriselba. Did you hear this? No. There was a report out there that said that Idriselba was in consideration for the lead villain in the

Ray movie. Oh, I love that. I love that too, but then I got a call from somebody pretty locked in. into the scoop world who said... No. No. I just rewatched the Suicide Squad

and I was like... So good. Dang. Idrisel was such a good actor. You would watch The Wire, right? You love the Wire? I haven't... Yeah, I know.

I'm so shocked you've never seen The Wire. I know because I watched Sopranos for... I didn't have access to HBO in that era. Yeah, my parents were... We were movie people, so we didn't have as many TV shows like that. But I know it's one of the best shows

ever. You would love it. Yeah, I'm going to watch it. Yeah, but anyway, so I can say it. He told me I can call him on the air to talk about it, but Snyder. Snyder called me and goes, not true. Oh, I believe that. I'm not going to lie.

Snyder is locked into everything until a lot of stuff. He's predicted a lot of things that were going down recently. So he's not true. He's like, I reached out to my source about this and it's just, he's like, look, down the line maybe if they grab, but he's not. They should. They should. It's a great idea. I've never thought about him in Star Wars.

I love that idea. I think it's because he's been linked to bond is one of the things to do. So that could be something that's coming out. That's true. Yeah, I don't know. The thing I saw that I didn't agree with, someone was like, well, he was in Star Trek. He can't be in Star Wars. What are we talking about?

People are in D.C. Marvel. Get the hell out of here. That made no sense. He would be in all the big franchises if he knows. That would be awesome. I know. But either way, look, it's exciting that we're getting more Star Wars movies. And instead that we're going to get, I mean, look, the idea that we're getting two of them in 2026.

But I will also say, say that is absolutely an Iger call as well. Oh, yeah. He's going to go, hey, listen, we got to move Star Wars because Avatar needs to move. Avatar makes a billion dollars just by saying, hey, we're making another Avatar movie. Yeah. So you guys move. What do you think about those two movies?

We were planning on putting Dave's movie out in December. How about we just, we push back the Ray movie like six months? We put it out in May and then we put the other one out in December. you still stick into the schedule you're supposed to. And we'll push that there. And then we'll have two big Star Wars. And we're back with a bang and then we can do one in 2027. Every three years.

Right. What? Yeah, it makes no sense. The article is interesting because Mengled's been talking about the script, like publicly, right? Like a few times, I think that's a really smart move by him because I do feel like if I was writing for Star Wars, I would make it known at this point. and I wouldn't care. I would just be like, I'm writing this so that I have a greater chance of it not flop.

Well, let's get into that. Let's get into that. We have some mangled stuff that we want to talk about also. All right, James Mangol. So maybe we are getting that film because it looks like that 2020 set in date has been held for him. Okay.

Which makes some sense. And now this is from our buddy Miguel Fernandez over at Star Wars Newsnet. Out of the three recently announced Star Wars films. The one that looks to be the most distinct is the new project by James Mangold 25,000 years before the Phantom Menace during an era dubbed as the dawn of the Jedi.

Whether this is going to be the title of the film, we don't know. He's been out promoting Indiana Jones, and I.09 asked him about his next collaboration with Lucasfilm and the writer-director shared a few thoughts and insights. And this was what he said. He said, well, I've talked to Lucasfilm before and even worked a bit before on other projects, and I'm always interested in what's going on there,

and I have friends who worked on other Star Wars projects, but I understood that much of what they were doing was kind of continuing the saga forward. So when I mentioned to Kathy Kennedy, the idea that I wanted to go backward, really far backward, I was surprised that it excited her and the other wonderful people she works with at Lucasfilm. For me, it's about I want to be part of the saga, but I also don't want to be holding so much lore in the air that you can hardly tell a story. And that's what I really wanted to do. What I told her was, can we just make kind of ten commandments of the force, you know, an origin story of how the force came to be known, understood, wielded, and harnessed.

It's a much better explanation than what we got before. With Indiana Jones in The Dial of Destiny about the premiere, it feels like we are living in Groundhog Day after the poor critical reception of the film during Cannes, whether James Mangled will follow the path first walked by other filmmakers like Patty Jenkins, Benny Off and Weiss, Josh Trank, Colin Travaro, Ryan Johnson, even being announced as director

of the new Star Wars film right before their project receives critical fan backlash. We don't know. It's a good call by Miguel. However, we do know that James Mangled is not working on Star Wars next. He's supposed to start shooting a Timothy Chalameh led Bob Dylan biopic, and according to reports,

he wouldn't start writing this until the fall, because he's a guild member, obviously. The next two Star Wars films are the Daisy Ridley and then Dave Flonnie movie. Okay. Yeah. So, well, this one, when it comes to the lore part of it, I saw some people, some people writing me, oh, should we be nervous about this,

that he doesn't want to stick to the Star Wars lore? No, he's 25,000 years before. The way that I interpreted that, and I want to see if you guys feel differently, is, well, there's all this stuff that, basically what Ryan Johnson and JJ kind of ran into. And when you are doing familiar things, fans have such an investment in it and a lock in it.

Like, what about that? That was said about this. You know 25,000 years into the past. You are the one with the keys to the car. You have the clear canvas now. You're the one painting. And what I love what he said, people are like, oh, my God, we're going to see how the force was created. No, that's not what he said.

What he said, we're going to see how it was really kind of discovered, and people learn how to harness it. People discover that it's always been there, but it's like, no, no, no, people started to realize how to use it. I love that idea. I think that's a great idea. Mike, you're biting your lip and you're ready to say something. No, I'm just going off your analogy of a canvas. Yes.

Okay, if we are current day Star Wars, we've got our picture painted. That means he's got the colors that he can use. Yeah. He can't create colors and that we never see those colors again. You know what I'm saying? Not really. All right. If he's going back 25,000 years to create the commandments of the

Star Wars. He can't do all these commandments that now and all this lore we've seen is like, we don't talk about this anymore. We're like, we need to find out why they're always two, sit in an apprentice. That is something that should be created. That's not going to be in that 25,000 years because that's, that's Darth Bain. So, Darth, that's, after him. Yeah, that's way after. And that is canon because Darth Bain. See, so maybe that's why he's saying, look, I don't want the weight of lore to prevent me from, because we just told that.

Like, oh my God, like, the stuff, he probably doesn't even know that he's like, I want to stay away from all that. I don't want to contradict anyone, but I want to tell my own story. The idea of someone, you know, that this thing's been around and the first person that's able to connect to it and use it. Okay, you're saying the Darth Bain thing. Yeah.

But is that canon? So you heard what I just said about five seconds ago, right? That's canon. Yeah. How is it canon? We've never seen Darth Bain in any film. False. Films?

We've seen Darth Bain. But in canon. And what? I'm about to tell you. Is Kathleen Kennedy considered canon? Yes. Because what she says goes. Okay.

So, and, and what, what do we say normally is they, what they really look at canon, right? Films, TV. Right. So you have not watched the Clone Wars, my friend. Clone War season six. Yes. Yoda goes to this planet, and when he does, this Sith planet, I think it's Morban that he goes to. And he goes there and he sees a hologram or like a, not a hologram, but it was like this,

mist or whatever, and Darth Bain shows up. Okay. And Darth, Bain tells him. he's like he's like i know he's like i know yota tells him i know who you're you're darting you created the rule of two okay he says that clear his day so and that's the first time we see dartbane that's the first time we and do you know who here's a trivia question because you saw that episode yeah here's a trivia question for you do you know who voices dartbane idrasel no i wish mark hamill oh wow i think i remember hearing that because he is such a great and that's great

yeah that's great all of that yes and the hard fans love that. Yes. If he wants to create a story that does this, Kathleen Kennedy, go, well, in the episode of Clone Wars, Darth Bain appears in a mist. And this and that's... Flolony would lose his mind. But Filoni's not in charge of the overall like that. It doesn't matter. When it comes to the lore and stuff like, Flonny's going to walk into, yeah, I'm telling you. So he didn't walk, Flonny didn't walk into any of this sequel trilogy stuff. It's like, that what you're saying here is a bunch of BS. I think he did. If you believe the Freddie Prince Jr. rumor, which I do.

And so they say, that's great, Dave. Take a hike. We're doing movies now. Yeah, I don't think so. I think he's, I think he, I think you listen to him when he's got, I would. Yeah, I think that they do. I don't think he's, I don't think, I think he's more power today than he did in 2016. I agree. Yeah. 100% on that.

So I think that when, when, when, if Mangold's like, well, I'm going to do this. And well, we did that in our show and it wouldn't make any sense because yeah, I think that that type of thing, they pay attention to it. So then that's, I believe, depending on how Mangold and Faloni interact then. I want to know what's going on in your head right now. I see like a bunch of like, I know. little dwarves just going to spin the wheels. I'll play devil's advocate from now on on this panel from now on with Star Wars.

I'll be the guy that takes the brunt of the crap. All right, go ahead. I could see him walking away going, eh, created differences. Ain't going to happen. I don't think you're the only person saying that, buddy. I think everybody when he was announced goes, yeah, we'll see if it sticks.

But I'm just saying, like, if him and Faloni are doing this, and I agree with you, as opposed to five years old, I think he's got a lot more, and should have a lot more say because he knows it. But if these filmmakers want to come in and I was like, yeah, that's cool.

but my story is this like, like, Lindelof had this great story, but there's like, they're not, gelling, I'm out. But you're not changing lore with that. You just have a take that they, I know, but Laura's, which also makes no sense. How did he pitch the take, Linda Lleynne? I don't know. It's so weird. But either way, Steph, so you got this, you got this movie now with Mangold, and he's going to be writing at the end.

It looks like we're going to have enough time. What I will say is I understand the concern, and even basically what you just said, and Miguel said it in his report, too. will it stick and if Indy doesn't do what they want it to do although I'm hearing people who didn't see it at can the critics who have seen it recently it's getting better it's getting positive spin on it but hold on I want to ask her so when you get

to this movie let's say for a sake of argument it doesn't do well and it's like oh man man gold people aren't going to write mangled off it's like you look at his past body of work look at what he's done like he's done why wouldn't you stick with him right I also think he has a better chance of

not getting the boot because he pitched an original idea. He didn't get like signed on to an idea that they want to do. I think that and especially this one, it's kind of like, I feel like it makes sense when he says it to make a story like this. Like it feels like a very important story that they're going to want to do it. And now I think they would have a lot of problems if they replaced him with his, if that was his pitch. That's, that's, but that's, Lindelof.

What not Lindelof. Lindelof pitched a story. He did. it, but not that one. Oh, you're saying, you're saying, in general. I'm saying a different thing. Liniloff came in and pitched his story, and they're like, nah, we need to do this,

but we're still going to take your script and so-and-so's going to direct it. Well, so the argument, the argument to go along with what you're saying, actually, in agreeing with you is, they say that this was the Mangold's idea, and I guess it was, but from everything that I heard,

from years ago, this is what Benny Off and White's pitched. And it's also, like the old republic stuff, right? Yeah, I think for a little bit more so, maybe not necessarily the discovery of the, discovery of the force and how to use it, which is interesting. What I heard Benny Off and Weiss's thing was that the, just the beginning of the Sith and the Jedi

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They debuted this trailer for this video game. I didn't even know that this thing existed, and then they debuted this. I don't even know really what it is, except the story looks cool. It's like this smuggler, again, in the Empire Age, where they show you Han Solo kind of in the Carbonite at that time. So it's right around, right after Empire leading into Jedi during that time period, which is interesting.

It's always usually between, you know, either new hope into empire, There aren't a lot of stories in between Empire and Jedi, so that's interesting. And it's this kind of smuggler who is just on the run. And it's outlaws and what I liked about this trailer was the crime syndicate underworld thing that we've been looking to find and looking to see for so long. But I really, yeah, I dug the trailer.

It's the same thing. I just don't know. They say 2024 is when the game's coming out? did you do you know what this did you see the trailer yeah yeah what did you think I thought it looked really cool yeah I want to play I guess it's the first open world Star Wars game yeah so people have been wanting this forever and I read all the comments on the Star Wars post about it a lot of people were really excited like finally we've been waiting years for an open world Star Wars game but then a lot of people were like very

upset that you can't personalize your character that you're playing with that was a huge thing. For this one? Yeah. For me too. Like, I saw the outrage of like, oh, another female protagonist.

My thought was, oh, another female protagonist that looks just like Ray and Jin. Brown hair, young girl, lost on her own. It's just like, give us a bald chick.

Give us a redhead. Give us a blonde. Like. So your problem wasn't the fact that you couldn't personalize it. No, it was a huge problem because I thought,

like, oh, that's some of the best open world games you can customize like Red Dead Redemption or something. You've got like your standard look, but then you can make it, you know, male, female. So you want to immerse yourself.

You want to put yourself in that avatar. But maybe the story doesn't allow for that. It's like Hogwarts, right? This new Hogwarts legacy game. I believe so. But maybe. My daughter just started playing it. Oh, cool.

Yeah, you can make it, you can make it whoever. I don't understand. I mean, my thought was, not that it was a female protagonist. It was just like, she looks just like Ray and Jen, blonde, a brunette, young 20-something. You were saying, though? Oh, yeah. So I think that Similar to what Mike's saying

People were upset that you couldn't personalize it And then there was obviously the people were like Another woman like Which I You just got Calcestus is a guy So it's like it's fair Right But I do understand if you're playing a game

And it's your first open world game I can empathize with the idea That you can't customize your player But I'm sure it would It's a whole different rendering process That yeah you're playing as a character in Star Wars You're not I'm trying to like

well it's the idea I mean look yeah it's what I would have the first argument I would have made would be like well yeah I guess it's harder for them to kind of change the story mode of it to the character but then

but the thing is like I look at Hogwarts and it changes it Perfect example we're talking we're talking space mass effect you could customize male female it doesn't matter doesn't matter alien and whatever it would hold the same story

and it was just that was your character so I think a lot of people were coming in this like a mass effect which is phenomenal it's open world Star Wars almost. I'm going to ask you this because I'm not going to get into my thought process on it. Do you think that was a Kathleen Kennedy note? To make her.

To make you can't change it. It has to be her the whole time through. Maybe because it feels like a business move rather than a game move. Because I just feel like as a gaming company, I don't know. I don't work for one, but why wouldn't you make it customizable? And I think that like that makes it cooler as a player. I think it's more marketable and you can sell toys and things that are. this one girl. Maybe. Maybe, but maybe not.

Because it's like then, you know, if you're just marketing to the female audience, but if you, if you customize it and you can have, or why not do both? Why not have? Oh, yeah. Like her, the main character. Or the default setting. It's like what you did in Knights of Republic. You could play as, you can, you know, your character could be a woman and your character

could or could be a guy. I think they saw Cal Pestis. I'll say this. Yeah, I think she said, well, we just had the guys. Calcasters. I know. Yeah. But it was a game play trailer. They didn't tout any thing about the game.

Like, you are going to have a customizable character. Well, they said no, right? Did they say no? I don't. I don't think they said no, but everyone, or maybe they didn't. I don't know. I didn't see anything. I didn't see a confirmed thing.

So maybe we're all just jumping to the gun about it. That's true. But I do think that there's something to be said about everyone's obsessed with Cal. And then what's the? The Last of Us, you know, like having these characters that become franchise characters from games is profitable. And now you can perhaps make it into a live action. I'm torn on that because the Mass Effect, we all know Captain Shepard. That was the guy's name and what he looked like.

But you could make it yourself and make it your own. And that character was still Captain Shepard of Mass Effect. Oh, that's cool. So you could create this female character and be a great character to spin up movies and TVs, but you can allow. I think that customization is a big mistake. I think it's a mistake too. I think they should have customized. Yeah.

I think you should even make yourself aliens, different species of aliens. Like Star Wars, you talk Hogwarts, but Star Wars, it's ripe for that. Yeah. To make yourself anything. It should have been. It should, I think it should have been.

That's not to say that you shouldn't have led with that character, that woman to do exactly what they did. Right. Right. But you don't, you know, it's like, yeah, if you want to play with her, you can.

And if you want to also customize and making it yourself, that's who's in, in our promos, and that's who we envisioned in this story. And honestly, if we made a TV show, probably would be her. But you guys, if you want to play it, you can customize it as yourself. Yeah. You can play it as you said, the alien's a great idea.

I don't know. So it's interesting, but I'm very curious to hear what you guys think. The trailer overall, what do you think is the trailer? Do you think customization matters at all? Do you think it should? Shouldn't go ahead and comment and let us know. All right. Next story.

All right, let's shift to D.C. The Flashman, it's racing to 155 to 165 million debut. On the eve of its release, D.C.'s The Flash is a reportedly on track to earn 155 to 165 at the worldwide box office this weekend, looking to make domestically 70 million here. The film initially got a stellar response at a cinema con and from very early media screenings. however, a still positive but far more muted response was expressed in the regular reviews over the past Fortnite, which has the cooled expectations. One thing the reviews haven't seemed to impact is the tracking that the movie popped up with a projection of 70 to 75 million.

Those numbers haven't budged. Part of the cast involved in the film hasn't really been out there promoting it. Keaton's filming Peel Juice too, but did show up at a screening of both London and Paris. In addition, late-night talk shows are shut down due to the strike, and Warner's has sidelined the film's controversial star Ezra Miller during the media tour. made their first showbiz appearance since legal troubles at the film's premiere last night. Domestically, the Flash opens against Pixar's Elemental, which is headed for 35 to 40, and the blackening, which is targeting a $6 to $8 million start.

In addition, holdovers are expected for Transformers Rise of the Beast and Spider-Man across the Spider-Verse was both set to earn another $30 million each at the box office. So I think this is a pretty good number, to be honest, 70 to 75. I mean, some people would say, oh, man, 100, 150 of it with all the stuff that's attached to this movie, whether it's the controversies, whether it's the DCU stuff, whether it's all of that. I don't know, Steph. I think this is, this is, looks like a pretty decent opening. Yeah, I definitely think so. And I think that once more people see it, they'll go and watch it.

I also think it's actually done, like, across the Spider-Verse has done a good service because I feel like, I don't know, at least me, I feel that it reignited people wanting to go to the theaters. And so it's coming off the heels of that, which I think will fare well for them. But I also think for Mike, right, I think you represent a lot of people that want to see this movie. You even said it, you were supposed to go to screening with me

and you wanted to see it. You weren't sure if they were showing the full version and you said in your text, I've been waiting for Keaton to come back as Batman for so long. I wanted to be the finished version, which ultimately was the finished version, but I understand, you know,

your concern on it. This, you represent the people who are coming back in our generation, want to see Keaton. Yeah. So, I mean, that's,

that's kind of adds to a lot of this box office. Of course. And, like, it's interesting. I was, follow this one guy on Twitter who's a,

who's a box office guy, and he's not, he reviews, but he's not a critic, per se. He thinks this movie's going to kill. He's like, it's low-balling it.

He thinks general audiences that aren't aware, like, if you read all the reviews that have knocked it down to like 70-something on Rotten Tomatoes, they're all critiquing

Ezra Miller. Not his performance. Not all of them are. I mean, So I actually made the point. I read a bunch that did. But some people are like, oh, not everybody said that.

And that's not what I was saying. I think that those people that you can have your opinions on Ezra Miller. Yeah. You can absolutely. And if you choose not to see it, you're prerogative. But if you go into that movie as a critic, not thinking about the movie, but just looking at Ezra Miller going,

they shouldn't be in this movie. You shouldn't see the movie. No. It's not fair to anybody else in the movie because you're not reviewing the movie, you're reviewing what you're talking about. So, and then you see the audience score of like 98%. Like, I think people are talking,

this is going to be a top gun thing where people are going in like, I don't know about this, but then word of mouth bills and bills and bills. I think that's what's going to happen with it. I think it's going to have a very, like, small drop second weekend. Yeah. I'll put it around 50% probably.

And Indy probably won't take too much of a chunk out. I think different audience. And again, I could be completely wrong, you know. I think, do I think it's going to be the greatest comic movie of all time? No. No. I didn't think Spider-Vverse was the greatest comic movie of all time. I loved it. Yeah. It's not even the best Spider-Man movie in my opinion. I feel the same. Yeah. But I, so I'm going in not with those expectations. And I think there are a lot of people I'm reading on lines like, ah, and they'll just show a clip. This is the

greatest comic movie of all time. So they're already going in with this. And I think maybe it did a disservice. They were trying to hype it up for so long. They definitely did a disservice. They've been screening this movie for like six months. I know. You're close to it. I really enjoyed the movie. I really enjoyed it. But I also, went into it going here and there was a there was a review of somebody I knew the morning that I saw it saying this is the greatest superhero movie of all time and I was like really

and I when I saw it at the end this is a very good movie but it does do it a disservice because you have these expectations now and this person was the only person that said it there are tons of people that said it I know does that going into this movie now with what are your expectations you have not you have not

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Like, I think it's a great time for superhero comic book movies because Marvel's taking, like, this is not, doesn't have a movie out right now. We had across the Spider-Verse, but I feel like it's a good opening. Yeah, we have a good opening for the DCU to be like, okay, we had the suicide squad, which to me was incredible.

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I can tell. Bambi, it's coming live action. But Sarah Polly has been announced to direct a live action. Bambi. Now I would assume this is going to be, I would assume it's going to kind of be like Lion King. Oh my God. What? Did you not know this gentleman? I didn't know this was happening. I thought that was a photo of Bambi farting out of butterfly. What is that? That's what the whole movie is going to be. Yeah, I would watch that any day. No, but for real, what? You want to traumatize a new generation?

We've already been through this. It didn't work out well. Live action, you know, following her Oscar win with... You guys are going to put this baby dying? The baby doesn't die. Or the mom dying? Spoilers. Following her Oscar... No, it's...

I'm kidding. It's a 70-year-old woman. Following her Oscar win with women talking, taking the best adapted screenplay this year, Sarah Polly is in talks to direct the live-action adaptation of Bambi. Comes in very early development at Disney and said to be a musical, featuring music from six times.

Grammy winning country star Casey Musgraves. Oh my God. Disney first hired writers Geneva, Robertson, Dorrit, and Lindsay Beer for the project back in early 2020. Yada, yada, yada, yada. All right. So, Steph, we're going to start with you. Does this sound insane to you guys?

I don't know what, like if there's something in my coffee, but you reading that sounds like a joke to me. Is that really for real? That's for Rizzle? Why wouldn't it be, though, if you look at the Lion King? Because I don't know. I need to rewatch Bambi, I guess. But to me, that felt like a very, like a movie you created in the 50s when we didn't have, like, it was more like, I don't know.

They're not redoing Song of the South. I know. Yeah. They're doing Bambi. I don't know why this feels so bizarre to me. And then you, I actually like Casey Musgraves. I, as a person. I think she has a few songs I like.

I don't love country that much. But the idea of a live action country, like, pop band. M.B. I hope it's iconic. Yeah. I really do. This might be the most iconic movie ever, but it sounds hilarious. Did you remember the 1980s? Song of the South? I do remember. No, the 1985 Godzilla movie. Yeah, of course. And you remember it? 98. It's 1998. Cool, but you remember the 1985? Do you remember the 1985 Godzilla movie that I just brought up five seconds ago? Apparently not.

85 Godzilla? Okay, you didn't remember it. No, I don't. They opened it up with like this Bambi doing something. Then Godzilla comes in and like eats Bambi or something like that. Oh, that's funny. 85? Something like that. I literally think it was called Godzilla in 1985. That's funny.

Yeah. Anyway, but look, this is, this was inevitable because they have all these movies that they're doing live action for. Double dip. Double dip. They should do the sword in the stone and stop playing. For real. Sword in the stone. Put Merlin, Madam Mim.

Madam Mim is one of the best villains ever. Barry Jenkins is doing. My head's exploding now. You too. So Barry Jenkins is directing the Mufasa movie, and that's coming out soon. So you knew this was going to come. What's that? Does he die?

Mufasa? It's a prequel. Yeah, it's a prequel. Spoiler! Another scarring moment for children. But I have been working on my Optimus Prime impression. Really? Can I see here?

Sure. Okay. Ready? Mike Kalanowski. Roll out. And shut up. Eat your pretzels. That's amazing.

Tell me that's not awesome. You do know that I am a child. Shut up. You're a moron. I'm not the voice, but no, I work with the voice actors that are, that's no. You don't think that's good? To me, I... Shut up.

Shut up. You sound like one of those people that has a voice box. Don't worry about it. No. Oh, God. Let's go. Mike Kalanowski. That's really damn good.

I feel like Optimus Prisle is in the room with us. Prismal. Prismal. Prismal. Watch the Bambi movie. Oh, my God. Optimus past is prime. Good one.

You should be a comedian. Thanks, Jeff. Just kidding. That was terrible. Let's close out with this. I don't get out of here. All right. James Gunn was on

Michael Rosenbaum's podcast, and they talked a lot of stuff. And James Gunn, he talked about casting rumors around Superman, and a little under a week ago came a report that the first person in test with D.C. Chiefs Safron and Gunn will take place this coming weekend. Those reports suggest that Nicholas Holt, David Corencewet, Tom Brittany would all be up for the role. So he shot down those stories about the auditions and the names attached to the DC universe, which he and Peter Saffron are building going into detail.

He said this. Now that we've kind of done a lot of auditions, we're narrowing it down. We're not done yet. There are things in there that are completely false, but I can't go out there and say this isn't true and this isn't true without going through everything. By the way, it's not the audiences at this point. I don't even think it's the business of anyone who's screen testing for a role. It's just a very private thing.

Journalists have to do what they have to do. That's their job and they're trying to get hits. They find out something from agencies, but here's the problem, is that they find out something from agencies that might be true. They find out other things from agencies, which are agencies pushing their clients and try to pump it up like I think my client is testing. There's a lot of nonsense that comes out of it, and that's difficult because there's people out there that are supposedly testing, and they aren't.

And that must be difficult for them as people. And then there's other people that might be testing, and I think it's a private thing between me and them. So he also warned fans not to believe anything unless it came from him or Saffron. Gunn also offered an update on how the second season of peacemakers progressing. He confirmed the show would return, and it would be his immediate post-superman legacy work. Peacemaker's coming back right after Superman. That's my next thing.

I'll go straight from Superman to Peacemaker. It's not unusual for Gunn who directed the Suicide Squad in late 19, 2019, early 2020, and then jumped right into Peacemaker for the first half of 2021. Finishing that shoot before the squad movie opened in Cinemas 2021. Gun could potentially film Superman early next year and then have Peacemaker before Legacy hits in 2025. Mike, does this stuff as a DC fanatic, does this stuff with him as busy as he is, working on these. This seems like a director's schedule,

not a head of studio schedule. So does it make you nervous and all that he's going to have too much on his plate? No. Okay. No, I think, I just, I feel like he's living it. You know?

I think he's doing what we want Faloni to be doing in charge of the universe, but working on projects. I think he, I think it's, it might be in that podcast where he talked about D.C. And he's just like,

he's like, I have a chance to world build. We've Gotham City, metropolis, made up places that I can world build and create a world. It's not our world that we live in right now. It's these other places and I'm immersed in this world of world building. I love that that he said that. So it's like, of course these places need to be, we've not seen Metropolis realized ever like Timber did Gotham City. I don't, not in the way that it's, that it's the city of tomorrow. Donner did it? No. It's New York. Are you kidding me? And that's why I don't love the

Donner films as much as everyone does. I'll say that. Why I don't love with reverence the Donner films that everyone does. They're great, but it's like the Statue of Liberty, the World Trade, the Twin Towers. It's like, it's New York. They didn't do anything. To make it different. Metropolis needs to be the city of tomorrow. It needs to be as different as Tim Burton's Gotham City was in the first battle. So he's in charge of it. He's like he wants to do this. So I'm, it's in great hands. Well, speaking of Superman, though, what did you think about his comments about like the casting and the rumors and all that? I love it. I just, I just trust this guy, you know? Like, he just says what he means and he means what he says. And I have very refined.

It's a great point that I've never thought about before where these scoopers like, where are they getting this? It's like, yeah, agencies, of course go, hey, my guy's testing for Superman. When he's not, but his name's out there then. It's out in the zeit guys. It's out of the promotion. It's free promotion. Yeah, I never thought about that. But I also love people, like gun needs to step back.

He's like, no, I love that he's out there shooting stuff down. I love that. I don't mind shooting stuff down. I don't mind that part of it. Sometimes I think that it goes back into my initial question to you is he's just doing so much. Like, maybe stay off social media, but there's some people who are prone to it, like it. like like it, thrive from it. Right. It's not work for that.

He likes to do. Look at his output. Yeah. Yeah, I know. Guardians right into the suicide squad. Like both films, great films. Right. And now he's running this. Like, I think the guy just loves he fires on those kind of high level. He does. It plus Twitter and all that. But I think, yeah, look, I still do think, and he said as much, some of it could be

true. Some of it isn't. I think that David Corn Sweat guy is going to be the guy. I think it's going to be Corn Sweat and I think it's going to be Rachel Brosnahan. I like, that's, that's Maisel, right? Oh,

yeah. Perfect. I wanted to be the actress who played in Bridgeton. Was she rumored? Yeah. The two names

you said, I think that's it. That corner sweat guy, when I see him, I'm like, he looks like Superman. But he also looks like that quote, he's hugged.

Like you want him to give you a hugger, like say it's going to be okay. He's got that. That's why I love. He's got something about him. I love Nicholas Holt, but shake his head and put him as Lex Luthor. He would have been a better Batman.

I know he tested for Batman. Did he? He would have been a better Batman then. Or Luther. He'd be a great Luther. I know you said that. I'm piggybacking on what you said. All right, everybody.

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