The Kristian Harloff Show - Star Wars What If Series being developed by Lucasfilm?

Episode Date: August 9, 2023

ASK A QUESTION http://www.streamlabs.com/theschmoedown The latest rumors in Star Wars land are that Mando Season 4 might be a movie instead of a season and that a long speculated What If series is also in the works. Will it be animated, live action or will it never see the light of day? Ahsoka is right around the corner, new chracter posters. What is the DC brass doing with gal Gadot? Loki Season 2 is around the corner and elemental fights back to make a profit. This and more with Kristian Harloff and Mike Kalinowski on The Big Thing. #starwars #ahsoka #darthvader #MCU #Loki #DC

How's it going, everybody? Welcome back. Happy Wednesday. It is the big thing. So we're going to be talking about some Star Wars news. There's not a lot of it, but Asoka's coming up right around the corner. There's some new character posters. There's this big rumor that there's going to be another Star Wars movie and it's going to be Mandalorian season four, except we're not getting season four on TV. We're getting it as a movie? True, false? Who knows? Sonic, you ever heard of that guy? Well, yeah, Sonic the Hedgehog. Apparently he's going to be filming scenes during the strike without actors. So I guess they're allowed to do that. We'll talk about that. A few other things that are going on, box office-wise. Speaking of box office, Elemental was a movie that everyone thought was going to be another stinker.

And it did something very rare. It started to fight back, and it looks like it's made some money now. But that took some time to do. And Disney put out a statement of it because they needed to, because all their movies were eating farts, and they finally had one that kind of came back and fought back. So we'll talk about that also. Yeah, you got Loki right around the corner. That and more.

I got Mike Kalinowski on the show. show. So before you even do anything else, hit that button. Show a little. We're at 87,000. We're approaching 90. So we're not too far off from 100,000. We're going to try to hit that by the end of the year. I think we can do it, and we hope that you guys will join us. And I'm going to try something new here. So streamlabs.com slash the schmodown. If you want to throw in a question to be featured on the next episode of the big thing, head on over to streamlabs.com slash the schmodown. Drop a question over there, I will ask it on the following show. So if you ask on today's show, then on the show with Roxy and myself, I will answer those questions. So there you go, everybody. Here it is.

It's a brand new thing I'm trying. So enjoy it. All right. Let's get to it. What's going on, everybody? Welcome back. It's a big thing. I haven't had the crew on in a little bit. And it hasn't been this guy's fault. I'll be honest with it. It hasn't been my fault. It was not your fault. I was rare and ready to go two weeks in a row. You were. But just things were different. Things are different. Last week, well, because also you, what people don't realize, I mean, some people do, some people don't. But Mike, you take it out, you make sure on your schedule, you're able to take a break, come on, coming over here, a little bit of a distance to get over here, too. And last week, he's like, are we doing this? And I was, and I had Chris Carr and I already had made

plans for like an earlier breakfast leading into the show. And it just didn't work out timing wise. But you're here. And we're going to talk about some stuff. You and I are going to go to the Asoka kind of premiere event. Yeah. Thursday. How are you feeling about that? Because you're on the fence. I don't know.

What do you mean you don't know? Tell me your thoughts. I don't know. I'm not... I wish I was excited. Like, I don't know. I should be excited. We host a show called Sith Council.

I should be excited. Yeah. You know what I saw? I saw a lot of our Star Wars friends that are in our circle. Laura Kelly, the great Laura Kelly. Yeah. She was just like, if this show sucks, I'm going to be, and then she posted like this YouTube video is pretty funny.

So someone like her to be thinking like on the fence about it, I know, maybe she not about it, but you, it was just, it caught me as a rare like, huh, even if she's a little like, well, if this thing sucks. Well, I think she's going to be on board because... I think so. But I'll tell you, though. If she'd suck, she's going to be crushed. There was a report the other day that came out. I think it was Entertainment

Weekly was talking to Carrie Beck. And she said that, because they asked her, are people going to be lost if they don't watch rebels? And she said, no. Oh, look, we got an ad. What's that? Perfect. Who cares? It doesn't matter anymore.

It's all right. It's fine. but she said that it's going to be you don't have that Philoni was very conscious of it and made sure we'll find out yeah but he said it's you're not going to have to I'll tell you though I'm more in your I don't think that's necessarily true I'll tell you I think it's going to be insider baseball that show that show's going to be insider baseball I hope not I really hope not because it's going to yeah because it's going to be

for me I'm going to love it yeah if it if it's connected to Rebels. If it's connected to Rebels and it plays the same way that Rebels did, I'm going to love it because I like that show, but I don't know, man. I think that you might be right when it comes to, I want to see how many questions you have. That's why I wanted to bring you on to this event because I want to see if you leave it going, because we're going to do it out of the theater reaction right afterwards. Okay. And I want to get. That'll be genuine. Yeah, I know. I want to see like as someone, like, I think that's going to be the most, your take will be way more important. mind on that one because it's going to be for people who are like, I've never watched Rebels before, what did he think? Because he was skeptical of it going in. But the character designs have been pretty great. You see the character designs that came out? These

posters just came out. And these two, I mean, look at that. I mean, they look great, right? So it's a matter of I don't think Star Wars has never not looked great in the Disney Plus era. Regardless of how the shows have been since, nothing's come out, we're like, oh, that doesn't, well,

I shouldn't say that. But anyway. The Vespa thing and the Wemba Book of Welfare. Those things still look like crap. Yeah, the Spy Kids. I take that what I said. There's some things that look silly sometimes. But I mean, I think overall they've had some pretty good... Yeah, they have.

They've had some pretty good imagery. And especially this kind of, it's like, it's people that have such a love for those. It's like a comic book when you're like, how is it going to translate to live action? And everyone wants it to be comic accurate. And when it's not... So everyone seems like over the moon about the designs of the rebels crew. Yeah, it looks good so far. The question is just, I don't know,

it's going to be, what do you think about? By the way, there's two other things that came out, was that there's two episodes that I think they're airing both of them. And we're going to see, and it's about almost feature length film-wise. It's going to be about 45 minutes a piece. What show was it on where we were like,

why didn't they release two of them? It was recent. It was something, was it Secret Invasion? I didn't watch that. I think it was secret invasion. No. No? It was something that I watched. And I was like, that makes so much sense because the first... Well, what was it? Come on, because the first episode was like, it's good.

It didn't hook me. Andor? No. No? It's between Andor? Mandalorian? Maybe Mando 3? Maybe Mando 3. Mando 3. I think it was Mando 3.

Was it Mando 3? I think so. Okay. Because the first episode was like, eh, and then you saw the second when you're like, oh, okay. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what it was. Yeah, like, why didn't you release these two together? Yeah, right. That's what it was.

And maybe that's why they learned their lesson. Maybe so, because, and apparently it's like 45 minutes apiece that. The runtime is rumored to be like, I think, like, 90-something minutes. So it's almost like a feature length of film. I think it's like 100 minutes, something like that. But it's close. Yeah, but I mean, to do that is a really good idea because I think that'll, that's going to be within that time, you're going to have to find those viewers like yourself to go.

Because if you leave lost after those two episodes, you might be out. I'm in trouble. Yeah, you might be out. But the flip side of that is if you're going, oh, no, I followed that. I'm so, I'm so curious to your. reaction. I'm so curious to see what we're going to get. Yeah. Who knows? This is his baby though, so maybe he's just like

eh, people need to catch up, deal with it. Yeah, I think this is for the fans. That's very possible but he would never say that, obviously. You can't say that. You can't say that. That's like James Gunn is like, none of these movies matter except Superman when that comes out. But go see him. He can't say it. But that's exactly what it is.

It's exactly what happened. What do you think about? I'm going to shift I'll just shift from Star Wars into D.C. Because they have this Galgadoadot stuff. So, yeah. Shannon texts me that, like, early in the morning. She's like, my Shannon. Okay, well, you have two Shannas. I do have two Shannas.

And she texted me, and so I was like, the first, the one that she linked it to as like, I don't trust that site. But then it was like, Variety was reporting. And I was like, oh, I'm going to say this. I love her in the role. One Woman, I think, is one of the best comic book movies of all time. I love One Woman 84. I'm in the minority.

she's got to go. Right. You've got, you cannot. If you have her back, but get rid of Cavill and Affleck, the fans will eat that alive and crap on everything you do. Well, it's not even, for me. You can't, you have to start over. But Affleck decided he didn't want to come back, and he did a couple other performance,

and he did a couple other performance, and he shot stuff for Aquaman. So he was, he was like, I'm going to do this, and then I'm done, right? It's the Henry Cavill. I keep talking about this. I made like 57 shorts on it because it's so ridiculous. It's like, because the two reports out of that Wonder Woman thing is, one, the fact that they're doing one in general. So if they do Wonder Woman three, because they want a gal back and they know the audience wants her back, and it's an elseworlds thing. Okay, that's the one, that's the only one that makes sense.

Right, right. That's the only one that makes sense when to close the trilogy. You've got to establish that to your audience that these are else worlds. And to the, to the, to my dad, who's like, what the hell's an else world? Right. You have to. But that's part one. But that's not even the major rumor.

The major rumor is that they're just going to reboot it, and Wonder Woman 3 is going to be part of the DCU, and she's going to be Wonder Woman. That's a colossal error, in my opinion. Collossal error, the fact that she looks, and I don't know the age-wise, but she looks older than Superman, the guy playing Superman. Of course.

I mean, I don't think how much of that, but again, that's not, that's not necessarily... It's not the deal-breaker. It's not because you don't know how he's going to write that, so it's going to be confusing to people, though. will forever be known and associated with Zach Snyder forever. Sure. He

cast her that she was it, but it was so that will always be one foot in that other pool. You can't. And this is from me. I know. As people call me the DC Apologist, I'm saying it. You have to. You have to move on. The only way I see it happening, the only

way is if they make her Hippolyta or she's Diana older and their Wonder Woman is a younger Diana. But you'll understand this stuff. I know. understand me. It's like people, people who are going to see it. I know. Going, okay, oh, so this is the third one. And there are

the people that, they watch Wonder Woman and before, okay, so this is the third one. And then it's like, it doesn't tie in at all. Chris Pine's gone. Everything's gone. She's a new version. She's in, she's a multiverse Wonder Woman now, and it's like, had the Flash made a billion. Yeah. And they were going to keep Ezra. Yeah.

There's more conversations that could happen. Sure. But that did not happen. That door's closed. Yeah. That world is gone. And I think that maybe that's what they were banking on. We're completely. I couldn't agree more. You have to. You have to.

It's just too freaking confusing because even the, I get the, like, you look at the Robert Patton's and Batman, right? Yeah. The movie made a lot of money. People liked it. It was a different version of Batman. So to keep it else worlds and let him finish the trilogy, it makes sense. And because it's already been out there.

That's right. The Joker, billion dollar movie, been out there. Been out there before they're going to do a segment. It's an elseworld's movie. It makes sense. Now, the argument could be, well, Wonder Woman is already out there. Fine. You're going to make it an elseworld's thing and you're going to do it.

You want to close up the trilogy to have one more. But that was part of the universe. The Batman and the Joker weren't even part of the same universe. That's right. One of whom was part of the DCEU. It's done. It can't. It's really,

you can't. It's really bizarre how this whole thing is playing out. Nope. I don't know. I don't know how they're going to do it. But nonetheless, I think that what it does play into also is the fact that I think that when the initial conversations happened with Gal and James Gunn and Peter Safran,

They were, as you said before, when James Gunn comes in there, he's got movies that are coming out that he wasn't part of. He's got Blue Beetle who he really liked what Sholo did apparently because he's going to make the character part of the DCU, but not the movie. That's another confusing thing. So that's part one. Then he's got Aquaman in the chamber and that movie. Then Jason Mamo is coming in and doing meetings. Is he Lobo? Is he somebody else?

That could be confusing. And so there's all these reports. they do four rounds or reshoots. So that movie... Four different Batman are... But then you have... Then you have the Flash, which he says is one of the best. I keep saying he said it's the best of a rear movie,

but he said one of the best of over-year-movies. That lands like a fart in an elevator, and that movie doesn't do well. And you and I both like that movie a lot. It sure did? A lot of people didn't. And so that movie eats it. Shazam 2 eats it.

Black Adam cost too much money. If it didn't cost as much as it did, wouldn't have eaten it because it made like $500 million or $400, whatever it made. It just cost too much money and it was like barely broke even or just lost money, right? That out of the three, if I would have told you at these three movies, which one is going to be the biggest money maker? The Flash with Michael Keaton coming back.

Shazam 2 off of a very successful Shazam 1 or Black Adam with the Rock, which no one knows about, you would probably get... Make a Flash. You probably get Flash. Sam and then Black Adam. Hands down. And that was not the case. So that's a problem.

And I'm with you. You got to just say, okay, we just got to cut this. Yeah. We got to establish with Superman legacy and move on. Yeah. He, you know, and Gunn was out there doing what he does. But, like, he talked a little bit about Shazam promoting it, but not the way he talked about the Flash.

He really was behind the Flash. Yeah. And he wasn't, I don't feel he's behind Blue Beetle. He's not champion. I think he's behind Sholo. Yeah. Because Kit looks great. The suit looks great.

But it just seems like it's still one foot in that old pond. Yeah, I'm going to see that on Monday. So I'm very curious. I think it's going to be a little bit of a surprise. I'm hoping. I hope so. What I thought is, and I don't know if I said it on this show ever, what they should have done, it's too late now,

is hold it off till Superman. Let Superman Legacy be guns first thing. And if Blue Beetle is still good, release like three months after Superman. My problem with Blue, what do you think of the trailer is a Blue Beetle? It looked like a 2000 superhero movie. It's a little generic. Yeah, it looked generic.

It looked. I'm bummed about it. The generic family, the grandma's throwing up with a big gun. That was the one that, it lost me on that. It looked like, the spy kids mixed with steel. That's what it looked like to me. And it didn't up until then because, again, I think the first trailer was great. Yeah.

And like the corporate villain of, it's like Susan Sarandon is like, this is like Sharon Stone and Catwoman. Yeah. It's like, she's not going to hold her own against him physically, so they're going to get some faceless thug and an armored suit to fight in. and so he can't battle her at the end. So it's like, I don't know, man. I don't know. I don't know.

Let's shift back into Star Wars for a second. All right. And I want to talk to you guys about the Mando news. Okay, so there's a report. I talked about this the other day, but I want to get Mike's thoughts on it. All right. That The Mandalorian Season 4 could now become a movie as Disney shifts away from streaming titles. And this is according to a shocking new rumor.

Disney and Lucasfilm are currently considering turning the Mandalorian's upcoming fourth season into a theatrical movie. and they say that with the writers on strike, there's only so much Disney can do, and making Star Wars is reporting that one of the plans is being discussed with Disney and Lucasfilm is that Mandalorian season four will become a movie as opposed to the TV show.

Theatrical releases have become a priority for Disney over-streaming, and there are now concerns that John Favreau and Faloni will be unable to make the required two seasons of television necessary to lead into Dave Filoni's upcoming Star Wars movie that was scheduled for 2026.

The other show is also, So Asoka Season 2. It's unclear what the plans are for that series. As for the Mandalorian discussions are currently said to be centered around whether the eight episodes already written can be considered into a single film. So there's a lot to be talked about there for sure. And I want to get your thoughts, Mike. This is something that makes sense. It makes sense when you, as far as...

I'm trying not to hide my face here, but go ahead. Well, the overall, what? Come on. What are they doing? We just announced the three movies with the dates. And now we're going to put another movie out there that's going to be... But do you understand the reasoning behind it? I get it. The strike is throwing everything off. I was just thinking about this today on the drive here.

I was like, man, Mission Impossible was so damn good. And we're going to have to wait less than a year to see the next one. I was like, oh, no. That's not true. That might not have... I don't think it comes out next year. Because of Noah McQuarrie and Cruz and how they... keep pushing and they want theatricalness and that.

I think that doesn't make that date next summer. If the strike doesn't wrap itself up by the end of the year, it's going to be tons of shifts. From what I'm hearing, fall at the earliest. Oh, yeah. Yeah, there's no chance. Earlyest. That's no, I'd be surprised. So that means nothing's going to get going because the holidays will happen.

So these productions won't ramp up until January. Right. So they're going to need the studios. The studios. So Star Wars, I'm sorry. No, no, but the studios need the strike to end. by winter too sweet. What? Toot sweet. Like fast. That's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But they needed to end by by Christmas time because Warner Brothers especially. Aquaman, Dune, and Wonka. They have three movies coming out. Three big ones. They have three huge movies coming out. Warner Brothers is going to be pushing to figure this out. Because

if not, those three movies are either going to not be promoted or they're going to be pushed again and they're going to come out in February March and we're going to be jammed up February March seasons and all these things are going to start getting pushed again. So leading back into the Mandalorian side of it, they have that whole season four written already. So it's written. Four's written. Four's written. Can't do anything, though.

Can't do anything about it. But what, and that's the problem is because they then say, all right, well, this is what's supposed to have. Remember, they had, like you said, where I understand the face. Well, because they had, all right, these are one of the movies going to come out. And then Kathleen Kennedy is like, well, we're going to make sure that we do movies, like big events. So, like, every three years, like, James Bond. And then there's an announcement a week later that she's doing two in a year. So it's like...

I can't. It's insane. But, and I had some... And I had our buddy Miguel Fernandez over at Star Wars NewsNet. Like, God bless him. He's one of the best writers over there. But he was like, well, this is what she really meant. I'm like, it doesn't matter what she really meant.

It's perception. It's the perception. She goes out and does this. We don't have any... One of any material that's written. nor, and no books, no things. Not that we could use. Well, this is not what she meant.

It's what she said. It doesn't matter what she meant. It's what she said. The court of public opinion. Right. And then it's, but either way. So they have 57 movies coming out when they weren't, they haven't had a movie out in 2019.

And now they're going to have, now they're going to have 57 of them. And it's like, so you have, okay, so here's what we got to do. We have two, this is what they said, and timeline wise. Yeah. We're not, we're now going to do a movie. We're going to have,

the Ray movie in 2025, and then Faloni's movie in 2026, and then Mangold in 27. And then they go, just kidding. We're going to have the Ray movie in May at 2026, and then we're going to have Faloni's movie in December of 20206, and then Mangold in 27. So now, if this report is true, and I should say that with, I think the report is true that they're talking about it. Now, whether or not it happens, I don't know. But you can see why it would make sense Where they're like, okay, look, we need it Because we're linking this up in a Marvel

MCU type capacity, we need it to link up And we need these things to come out. So are they saying that Mando 4 and 5 would be a movie? There is no 5, I'm sure. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, it'll just be season 4. So you think season 4 is the only thing they're planning? Season 4 would then be a movie, yeah. So we're going to basically take, I don't know,

nine hours of storytelling and make it? Nine hours? Well, first of all, they usually, and a half. Usually there are about half an hour episodes anyway. All right. So a half hour than nine episodes. So instead of like a four and a half, five hour season, you're going to do a two-hour movie. You're going to get a 220 movie, which I'll tell you. Yeah, there's a lot of episodes. People talk filler episodes. I don't think it's crazy. We could do without Jack Black and Lizzo. That was a whole episode. They probably definitely want to wish that they didn't have that episode now. That episode's worse now. Someone posted a picture of it. I'm like, it just is worse now.

But anyway, so you've got that now. potentially going to happen. I think that it... But the problem is, when does it come out? Don't ask me. I don't know. They said it would come out. The report says it would come out after the Ray movie. So then what happens there? Then they do the 2025 or 2026 is a Ray movie in May.

And then the Mando movie comes out in that spot instead of Faloni's movie. And they're trying to move away from streaming TV, though? I think they're trying to move... That statement was basically... Remember that thing that Iger said when Iger was like, we're not going to, there was too much emphasis on it. I don't think they're moving away from it completely. I think, you know, Acoly.

Did you hear why one of the reasons, the rumor of why Acolyte is going to be, is so expensive? They said it's like one of these huge budgets. The rumor is that Keanu Reeves is going to be in it. That's a rumor. You know people over there. Come on, man. I haven't heard that rumor from anybody over there.

Freddie Princess doesn't say anything? Great friends. He's so, he's, you have more lock into Star Wars. he didn't give a shit about Star Wars. So that's what I'm saying. So if he knows, he would know. And he would tell you. He's in there.

So no, I haven't heard anything. I haven't heard shit. I don't know about that. But it would be great to him show up in that. But either way, that's happening. Skeleton crew is still happening. Yeah. Now, if Mando does it, maybe they're pushing some stuff

and they're trying to pull back because you look at something like secret invasion, which ate it. Yeah. It aided as far as critically. It aided as far as views. Yeah, man. So Marvel's not that. that money maker that used to be.

Marvel started. They're in a tough spot right now. Yeah, they are. They really, the writer's strike is hampered because you, you could tell they realize, like we got to pump the brakes,

so we got to rethink things. For sure. And then, you know, they were out of Comic Con before the actors in writer strike. They were done. Right,

right. But now, I'm sure they've got the whole Jonathan Majors thing they're still waiting on that's like, because I, the Loki promo, he was in like one shot of it.

Smartly so. Right. You don't put him in everything. No, you don't plaster his face over it. You can't not put him in because it's such a major role. No, he's the bad guy or the main,

but you don't put him on the publicity for it. Not right now, not until his trial's over. Even then, like we were talking about that, as some guy, friends of ours, it's tough because, look at Ezra. acquitted, of what the big thing what he was going through, but it doesn't matter. It's the court of public opinion.

But he didn't go through like a public trial. I know. I think that John and Matt's... Major is going through a trial, though. I know, but I'm saying... The one chick did you hear, fled the country? The girl that accused him, now they're going after her because they have video of her fled the country. Right. So that's what I'm saying, though.

If he's proven innocent in an actual trial. You get the court of law and then you have the court of public opinion. Yeah, but there are two things, man. But I think the public opinion will shift. Okay, hey, I like the guy. As far as in a, I'm saying, I don't know whether he's going to be innocent or guilty, but I'm saying if he's proven innocent, I think that's different when you're in a public kind of trial. It'll be interesting to see.

Agreed. But nonetheless, what will happen, regardless of public opinion, if he is proven innocent, you'll start to see way more promotional stuff from Marvel with him in it. Okay, before we move on, I want to tell you guys a little bit about both Neutrophol and Manscaped. That's right. One where you're going to help your hair, and the other one, you're going to shave your balls. All right, here you go. Now we're talking about a sponsor for your bouncing bundle of joy.

Not talking about a baby. baby. We're talking about your baby makers. That's right. Today's show is brought to you by Manscaped, but just like babies, your delicate little guys have sensitive skin and deserve products that they're not only skin safe, but made with safe ingredients. And that's where Manscape Platinum's package comes in. From razors to shower care, this package goes above the gold standard for your body hair. So treat your beautiful boys to the world's finest toys. Go to manscape.com. Use our code, Big Thing for 20% off, plus free shipping. I love Manscape. I love it. I've been using Manscape forever.

And since I got Manscape, I'm not going to lie. I used to go to the supermarket and just pick out razors and go, good luck. See, it looked like a battlefield. It stinks. Anyway, point is, since Manscaped, I don't have that problem anymore. And they always, it's like, I feel like Jack Nicholson. Like, where do they get those wonderful toys? It's the stuff they keep coming up with.

I use Manscape all of the damn time. The Manscape Platinum Package 4.0, it's the one-stop shop for the man who deserves at all. And they designed this package to allow you to fully align your entire hygiene routine with the lead products. They got it all. It's the best. And don't forget to apply their aluminum-free, ultra-premium deodorant for that cologne quality scent on the go. The platinum package 4.0 covers all bases from head to toe and hair to ball fro. See? 20% off and free shipping, but use that code, big thing at manscape.com. 20% off with free shipping at Manscape.com, but use that code

big thing. Use the platinum package because the gold standard is no longer good enough. I am so excited that this show is now sponsored by NutraFal. Do you guys know that 80% of men are going to experience a hair thinning in their lifetime? It's normal, but it doesn't have to be fate.

You can get ahead of thinning with Nutrafol. It's the number one dermatologist recommended hair growth supplement clinically shown to improve your hair growth, visible thickness, and visible scalp coverage. Go to Neutrivolve. Nutrafol.com slash men to take their health wellness quiz. You identify causes of your thinning hair,

and Nutrafol will give you a personalized plan for bedal health getting through whole body wellness. It works. In a clinical study, 84% of men showed improvement in their hair after six months of taking Nutrafall. So take that first step to visibly thicker, healthier hair. For a limited time, Neutrofall is offering our listeners, $10 off your first month subscription, and free shipping when you go to Nutrafall.com.

slash men and enter the promo code big thing. Find out why over 4,000 healthcare professionals recommended Nutrafall for healthier hair. Nutrafol.com slash men, n-U-T-R-A-F-O-L dot com slash men and enter that code, big thing. That's Nutrafall.com slash men. promo code, big thing. All right, thank you once again to both of our sponsors, both NutraFall and Manscaped, if you're able to and you want to help out. the show. Please go ahead and get one of our sponsors today. It'll help you out tremendously,

and it will help us out. And I ask that all the time. People always ask, hey, you don't do live shows too much anymore, and we can't do super chats and can't do that. How do I support the show? How do I support the show? You support yourself, and you get one of our wonderful sponsors here, too. The link is in the description. It's also the pinned comment there. So please go ahead. Check it out. All right, so giant freaking robot has said that they're convinced that Lucasfilm is planning a what-if style TV series. and explore the Star Wars many alternate timelines. Marvel Studios has been able to do that with,

obviously, with their what-of series, but some of these potential ideas, what if Anakin had never become Darth Vader? What if Obi-Wan Kenobi trained Princess Leia instead? Those are just a couple of questions that a spinoff could look like. It's unclear whether it be live action or animated, though the latter seems more likely.

Episodes similar to Tales of the Jedi could explore the world between worlds, and I guess Flonie would be involved. if it happens. However, we've been hearing similar rumblings so fingers crossed that the project doesn't get lost amid the strikes and Bob Eiger's plans to scale back on Star Wars TV shows. This is something that's been rumored forever and they've actually done they've done comic books in the alternate timelines and all of that. And I, the one thing that threw me off when I was reading the report is I always just assumed it would be animation.

Yeah. Live action, how would they even do live action unless you do a lot of deep fake stuff? Yeah. Right? I was thinking, I was like,

I mean, with what if on Marvel, it's, if you're doing live action, that means you're building completely different sets every single week. But if you've got the volume,

then you can do it. I don't want to say it's easier. Easier. Cost, more cost effective and easier to do. But you're still building interiors of ships and every episode.

episode is different. It's vastly different. So it's like, I just can't see how they would do a live action. I would love a live action like Marvel What If as well. I just think the concept is so good. Those comics are so much fun. Yeah, it'd be great to see live action.

But again, if you're going to do a live action of... I'll say this. You also have to look at it, though. I think... And this is something I've always kind of gone, I don't understand. Like, Marvel What If doesn't do well. No one talks about it.

Like, they talk about the live action. It's a disconnect with the animated, but I'm like, what do you guys want? It's great. And the style that they used with that, Marvel, was great. I loved it. I loved it. I would love to see a what if series or Star Wars.

But yeah, there's this disconnect with animation and live action that you're just like, it's lesser than that. Well, look what we were just talking about with rebels, right? But look at Spider-Berson, mutant mayhem. True. Like, people are going nuts. It's like, we need to get out of this mindset of like, it's lesser.

It's true. I think that, I would love to see a what of series. Yeah, man. I just don't know how they would be able to do a live action version of it because if you have... But if you think about it, let's say you have Luke. Yeah.

Or not Luke. They've done Luke before, but are you going to deep fake on solo? Yeah, you're right. You're right. You can do it, but, I mean, you're talking about expensive. I mean, they're trying to scale back. You've got a better show. It makes more sense that it would be animated because that's...

Instead of seeing another Clone War series or Bad Batch season 83, You know, I love the Tales of the Jedi. Yeah. That was great. Yeah, something different. Like something different. And to see what would happen and making it really emotional,

basically taking a page, I think the most emotion that has been taking out animation recently was visions, right? There's a lot of emotion and kind of do those types of stories. And you can do an anthology series, obviously, because each episode doesn't have to tie into it. It's like what happened, like the idea of Aniken never turning. That would be incredible. You do like three episodes of that.

But there is something to be said. If they could pull it off in live action, if they could pull it off and do everything, I'd love to see that in live action. But who knows? Then next week they're now, it's actually going to be a movie. We're making What If the movie. It's going to be What If the Movie.

So I don't know. I think it sounds great. I'm very curious what you guys think. Do you like this idea of the what if? Do you think it's going to happen? Do you think also because of the pushback because of the strike that it's another project that could potentially be buried

sticking with Star Wars again and going into I want to talk about Ezra now this isn't a story this is something so buddy of you know Ryan Nielsen right? Yeah so Ryan wrote to me the other day Ryan's great and Ryan wrote to me the other day and he was like hey because he always text me about like Star Wars stuff

and he's like what are you thinking he was really excited and I feel like he's always excited he's always excited I feel like I pooped on him when he did this but he's like he goes What do you think if by the end of this they turn Ezra bad? I know, Rebecca, that would be terrible. It would be absolutely terrible.

Because the one reason that I also want to bring it up is because I don't think it's outside of the realm of possibility that they try to do this with the way that they've been writing stuff lately. It would be such a horrendous, horrendous move if they made Ezra Bridger bad because

his whole so you know, because you haven't seen all the seasons, this whole, like, if they, people thought, and they speculated that it was going to happen during the season because Maul was trying to convert him and the emperor at one point and he dealt with a lot of anger issues and everything too and you're like, this kid could turn.

Anakin 2.0? That's what you thought. But he didn't. And it was actually a great arc for him. He took the balance of a Jedi and by the time, he made the ultimate sacrifice at the end of the show and he became so balanced with the force and everything that he became a pretty strong Jedi. And you're like, okay, great, I like the ark.

If they now poop on that because now they're leaning on, well, Sabine, is now the lead Jedi and Osoka and Asoka now is teaching her and he can't, he, and Thrawn's turned him, thrones turn him into his Vader. Well let me ask you this.

Where do they go? Okay, so I mean, we really haven't seen much of them outside of that hologram. Yeah. Is he even in the show? Not until the end. I don't think he's, I think he's going to show up. Then it doesn't happen. But if he's a major character in this show, which I don't think he is, where do you go with this character?

if you're saying in Rebels he found balance and he was this great kind of balanced Jedi like what do you do with him then? I think that you've got to for a character he's got to come back. So that I could see him going what do we make him bad?

I'm just saying looking at story wise what do you do with a character but it's just so like it would go so against what he was doing the whole time it's like he just pooped on his whole journey. What about those of us

that don't watch rebels? And we're in it like oh this would be kind of cool. Sure, but there's a ton of people who do. That's the thing. You're right. I don't know. Tightrope walk.

He's a tight row back. But I don't put it, like I said, I bring it up because I don't put it past them in the same way that you're going to, and the guarantee is the opposite side of thing. Oh, the redemption arc. The redemption arc.

It's like, okay, let me guess. Baylon. Oh, God, no. Bailen's apprentice is going to turn good. The blonde? Yeah. No. Please, God, no.

And it's just like, it's so predictable. It's like, I, again, I cannot wait for us. My hope is that I was like, yes, that they want to, Against that cliche stuff. And I was so wrong.

And I apologize because I thought they were going to do the bad guy turn. I thought they were going to do the good guy turn. And they just focused on that person's bad. That person's good. And some people in between. We'll see in a couple of weeks. No, a couple months. Well, when it's over.

When it's over. I mean, yeah. Yeah, watch the whole story. Get to see how the whole thing. Truth. That's truth. And we're going to have to have the energy to do it because there's a lot of stuff coming up. And if you want the energy, how about some AG1?

I can tell you right now, guys, AG1. I love athletic greens. I've been taking it. So even more so now, the way that I've been incorporating it into my routine. Let me tell you a little bit about, a blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Blah.

All right, everybody, our next partner is AG1, the daily foundational nutrition supplement that supports whole body health. So you guys know about AG1. If you're brand new to this show, you're going to hear about them because I talk about them on every single show. Why?

Because I incorporate them into my life. I'm a coffee drinker. I'm not going to lie. I drink coffee. But what this is done for me is I take AG1 every morning. I have this big large cup. I think I got it from the zoo when I went with my kids. It doesn't matter.

I put cold water in it. I take some AG1 and it gives me enough to where I don't. I actually save money on coffee now because I used to need like two or three cups a day and one cup of coffee, one cup of coffee. But I have AG1 in the morning. That's my vitamins. That's everything that I need because I didn't want to take all these different supplements. I wanted just a single solution that supports my entire body and it covers my

nutritional basis every day. It helps with sleep quality, better immune system, all of that. It's great. I take it in the morning right when I wake up and it just makes me feel amazing. Since I've been drinking it, I've noticed just an overall feeling of health. I mean, I really have. It's like I have a little bit more pep in my step, guys, and I've been doing it for a bit. You guys tell you, you guys have said it over the last year. You have so much more fun doing the show. Yeah, because I also feel good when I'm waking up in the morning. Getting ready. So if you want to take ownership of your health, you try AG1 and get a free one-year supply of vitamin D and five free AG1 travel packs with your first purchase. Go to drinkag1.com slash big thing.

Drinkag1.com slash big thing. Check it out. All right, thanks to athletic greens, man. AG1. I love them so much. And I know a lot of you guys have been signing up to them because of this show. Thank you so much. Once again, drink. AG1.com slash big thing. Let me know when you get them also, too. The link is in the description, and it's also the pin comment below.

Okay, moving over. Now, Mike, you said you were up for Star Wars Hunters, right, that game, that trailer that came out? You remember that one? Yeah. So now it seems that Nintendo Switch and mobile game Star Wars Hunters, which originally was supposed to come out in 2021,

has now been pushed to 2024. I feel like the games get pushed back even more than the movies. Every game gets pushed back in always. But it's 99.9.9% of the time, it's always for the best. Well, guided news reports that publisher, Take 2 Interactive's latest earning call has stated that the new Star Wars Hunters will be formally released

in the late fiscal year 2024 period. Take 2 Interactive spoke positively of their partnership with Zingha indicating that the partnership has been beneficial and will likely continue. So now there is an update since the original publication of guided news report. notable Star Wars gaming content creator Azatru has taken to Reddit to clarify that the Take 2 Interactive actually said later fiscal year 2024 versus late during their earnings,

implying that Star Wars could still release in full late 2023. The rest of the original report follows. I mean, either way, I tend to agree with you of what you're saying there too about games. It's more so like if they feel like they have to push it back six months, five months, probably for the best. They want to get everything right. The one thing that I don't understand is when they put a game out, it's like, yeah, sometime in 2028, 27 when it comes out. It's like so much things that happen. Why even

that one trailer that came out from the High Republic game or whatever it was? Game looked awesome, but like who even knows when that game's going to... Yeah, gaming marketing is so different. And again, I don't know that much. The one I do follow quite often is Mortal Kombat. And the head creator of that Ed Boone, he is everyone, every social media, when are we getting news?

When are we getting news? When are we getting news? When we go, he's like, when we have stuff to tell, it's a release schedule. And when we do, we'll let you guys know. New game comes out next month. And I think the first trailer dropped like maybe three months ago. So there's four months.

And we all knew he was working on. We just didn't know exactly. Some people said it was a new injustice game, which is the D.C. fighting game. So they kept it close to the best. And now, gearing up, it's not going to release on time. We're getting content every single week. It's fantastic.

You know, because it's building the hype to it. Because I learned that. this early on with mine and Brad Gilmore's book because we wanted to start talking about that really early on. And the publisher was like, no, we'll do the timeline because if you start hyping it now and you just on social media saying about it and things can get delayed and like the movie get delayed, it's like the more it's out there, the fans start going, oh, geez, you would talk about this for two years. Where is it? There's a book that I'm really interested in coming out now. But this guy has been hyping it so much and I'm so excited for him. But at

this point I'm like, dude, where's the fucking book? You've been talking about this two. years. Where's the fucking book? So games, it's like, it's a fine line. But then you've got the other side, like that Rocksteady. Everyone was excited for the new Batman game, and it was going to be a Suicide Squad game. Rockstar's or Rocksteady? Rocksteady. Okay.

Bebop? Yeah. Suicide Squad killed the Justice League. And Rock City did the three Batman films, which are some of the greatest Batman games are superhero games of all time. And we were like, where is this? Why aren't you talking about it? And then they dropped a trailer. It's like, okay, it looks good. And then more news started coming out. And then it's now it's like a battle pass system.

it's online and just the feedback went, they tore it apart. And they're like, yeah, we're delaying this. It was supposed to come out like two months. We're delaying until next year. It's like, it's been delayed, delay. But now this delay was, they're going in revamping a lot.

So that makes sense that they're doing. I'm not too critical on this. If they feel like they have to get it right, then they get it right. I don't know. I mean, for me, it's, it's, the video games are more so where I, I sit back on those when they come out.

Yeah. and I let the experience gamers and the people come out and go, this is a good game. I was going to get Jedi Survivor. I still haven't finished the freaking thing. But I was going to get it after I heard the word.

I heard really good words about it. And I heard from Star Wars fans. They'll check it out. That's kind of where I lay back and go, let me see what the community's saying about it. If it's a good game, then I'll check it out and try it. I'll get people commenting going,

you've got to check this one out. That's probably the same thing I'll do for hunters. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, there's hunters and bounty hunter. Right? Yeah, so there's two different games. Obviously, this is the Bounty Hunter game, and then there's this game. So I didn't even know until two seconds ago that they were different. So that's why, like I said. But that's not your fault. That's marketing. Right. So there's two different games. That's a bad thing there, man. What are they doing? So I don't know. Yeah. Anyway, all right, let's move on. Let's talk a little bit about Loki season two. Now, I forget. Where did you land on Loki season two? Not a fan. I mean, season one. Not a fan. You weren't a fan of it, right? Okay. I love that.

Acting wise, fantastic. Yeah. It just didn't catch me. Like, I didn't like that. I didn't care for, I didn't, I shouldn't say that. I liked Wanda Vision up until, like, the middle of the season. I love what they were doing the first few episodes. And then it just kind of was like, ah, all right.

See, I really enjoyed it. I think, I do think. It's kind of lost me, Loki. I just did. I do think, though, that this is the, because have you been following the stuff that's going on with the MCU as far as the actual story? What I thought they did very well, I pushed back in people.

I've seen so many people say this. I made the point that phase one to three was a fantastic buildup to how we got to the end game. Right? It was like, not every movie had things that, you know, would tie into the overall through line, but a lot of them did. This, I don't know what the through line is yet for the new phase.

I don't know really where it's going. We're into the second, yeah, you imagine being into phase two, middle of phase two and you still had no idea what was going on. And it's like, And by the end of the Avengers, by the end of the Avengers, they had the post-credit scene of Thanos. And even if they didn't know exactly what they were going to do with them,

they still set him up. And he was still there. I mean, yes, people can say, well, they already set Kang up. Yeah, but he just got beat up by a bunch of ants. Ant Man beat him up. Ants beat him up. I remember coming out of that theater going,

your big threat that you just set up and that they were talking about in Loki season one, just got beat by Ant Man and some ants. And ants. And then, yes, I know at the end, there's thousands of them. I get that. Right.

But still, you just, imagine if Thanos was beat by Hawkeye and Black Widow in... Well, that was the thing. When Thanos came back in Endgame from being the younger version of it, it was terrifying. Because you knew, they're screwed. Because how they did it, it was like, it was terrifying. Because it wasn't like 50 of them. It was just another version of him. But it was terrifying in how they did.

And you're like, oh, how they get... This is like a younger dude who now has... didn't have to go through that whole mission to get all the stones. He's almost there. Yeah. And this is him at, you know, not having to go through a lot of crap. So that was done very well in the build up towards it. And the way that they set up the stones from the beginning and everything. Like this one has been, I don't know what the hell it is.

However, this is why I think that Loki season two could actually start to develop that because we need to get to the multiverse, the Kang dynasty, the Multiverse saga. It needs to lead to all that. So this has to be a major, major moment in that, right? I don't know. What do you think? Doesn't it make sense that it would be? Out of all the things that could tie into the multiverse and...

I'm just trying to think... Okay, looking ahead. You still have to introduce the X-Men. Do you? They're part of it, aren't they? Are they after the multiverse? I don't think you need to... I don't think you should.

You need to introduce Fantastic Four? True, because of... And you can introduce them at the end, but I think Secret Wars will have some of the X-Men in it for sure. I think Deadpool will start to play into how the X-Men are going to play into the MCU. But I don't think, I think if you want to get away from all this multiverse stuff and you want, because it's too confusing for everybody and it's too, but isn't the multiverse thing that their faves six?

Leading up until six, you can't get away from it. It's the whole thing. But I'm saying if you want to sustain the Marvel brand afterwards, You have X-Men and you can do X-Men movies and you can do an X-Men basically universe. And X-Men is basically the entire thing with some fantastic four movies attached to it. But a Wolverine franchise, a Cyclops franchise. I read it was like a fan thing on Twitter or something or someone said. They go, you know what would have been awesome when you finally introduced the X-Men.

And it's kind of like its own thing. And you're like, this is what the world would have been. been like without mutants. And that was the MCU all before that. And then it goes forward after that. Yeah. And it's a restart. Like this is on our world.

It restarts. It's, I'm not one of those people that says it should have ended at endgame. No, me either. I'm not one of those people. But it should have been written better after end game. That's what it should have been not. It just has been written.

I have no idea. I don't know what an answer is because for everything I didn't like, there's a lot I liked. Yeah. There's some stuff. I mean, I don't know. I don't know. It's going to be.

Loki is the question, though, because if they tie in this whole. whole thing and they tie in how the multiverse can work with Kang and all of that, they can then start to set up because that will lead into something having happened in the Marvels. You would assume the Marvels is going to be. I thought Secret Invasion really kind of, isn't that supposed to set up the Marvels? Like what they're dealing with? I don't know. I don't even.

I've watched two episodes of Secret Invasion that I bailed on it. I didn't watch it. Yeah, a lot of people did. And so if that was the case, that's the problem that they're running into now is that people, not everybody's watching everything anymore. You're just to watch everything. Yeah. I went out on a, again, I'm not patting myself on the back.

I just, when I found out that the AI was used on the show, I didn't watch it. Just for the art in the beginning? It's one of those things in people like, it's so small. It's like, it always starts small. It always starts small. And then it's background actors. Well, then let's talk about some AI. Here we go.

Listen to this. All right. So Disney, the Walt Disney company, has reportedly created a task force to study artificial intelligence and how the tech can be applied across the entire entertainment conglomerate, according to Rutter's. Launching earlier this year, prior to the Hollywood Writers' Strike, the group aims to develop AI applications in-house

and form partnerships with startups. Disney reportedly has 11 current job openings seeking candidates with expertise in AI or machine learning for various sections of the company. The news comes as Hollywood writers and actors are currently on strike with one of the points of contention involving the industry's exploitation of the tech. AI is being seen as a larger threat to the job security of actors and writers in an industry already famous for not being the most stable source of income. The job offering stretch across Walt Disney Studios, Walt Disney Imagineering, Disney brand television, and their advertising team. The latter aiming to build a next generation AI powered ad system. The aim is to find practical applications for the tech and potentially curb the soaring costs of movie and television production,

especially the former as massive box office returns are more difficult to come by in the post-pandemic era. So what do you think about this task force, Mike? It needs to go to the way of the dumper. The task force? Yeah. Come on, man. There's, okay, so there's a lot, I'm dealing with this at work. I talk to people about this all the time.

They're like, one guy is like, it's inevitable. It's here to stay. and I go, it's only here to stay because people are using it. It doesn't have to be there. We don't have to use it. But you know it's going to. Because people will. 100%.

The same reason, like, computers and everything else. Right, but I was like, I see this and I saw this an article on it's like, there's AI being trained to fight cancer and surgery. Right. Do that. Well, yeah, but then that was. Entertainment and art is, it's from the foundation of AI is a, it's a faceless, the entity. It's the entity. It can't tell a story based on the life.

loss of your family that you write. And it's the emotion that we as creatives bring to the table, AI can't replicate that. I agree. I mean, look, the one thing I've been talking about a lot, too, is it's like the ready player one of it all, right? So the thing is, there's no world where a lot of our generation are going to sign up to the idea of what AI for everything that you just said, and I happen to agree with you. But the other side of that is a six-year-old right now.

You're right. Growing up in it. And then just that's the way. way they grew up was with AI. That's the way that they're going to watch stuff because there's this report that I said. I brought it up like eight different times. I think it's crazy. I actually think it's the way that it's going to actually go down.

There was a woman who was an AI expert and she's talking about basically the way AI is going to work. This is why I think SAG is fighting for as hard as they are because they've got to get paid for this type of shit. What would happen? Let's say that you come home from work and you want to watch romantic comedy. And you're like, well, I'd really like to see young Channing, Tatum and young Julia Roberts in a movie, and I wanted it to be about this, and I want it to be set in New York,

and it's going to create that movie for you. If you want another season of the Sopranos and you don't want it to end, it's going to create it for it. You've got to be subscribed to it. You've got to pay for it. That's where AI is going to go, and it's terrifying.

It's terrifying, but it's going to happen. And like I said. So we just get everything we want? Have you met the human race? Have you seen the movie, Wally? That's us. A hundred percent? That is 100 percent us.

Absolutely. When I, when I go to work at Universal. studios every day and I see the ECVs and the mobile app ordering and it's like it's weird like we grew up on Terminator fighting this stuff

James Cameron said it recently like I told you guys How did we all? Suddenly go okay let's do it let's sign up for it. No we should be Reese Yeah why are we like and you're right because who grew up with it like you and I will never hopefully you but I know I will never watch a movie

like this. No I can't I can't. But kids today with their phones, that's all they shoot now. So to them, that's normal. No, I can't do that. To shoot horizontal, they're like, it looks like, why? Roxy does it too. Roxy said it recently.

She watched it on their phone. But Roxy is the generation. She shouldn't be doing that. Yeah. She grew up on movies and TV where it was like this. So she's this weird generation that's right on the cusp. Oh, I don't know if she wants necessarily watches it like that. But even I can't watch it on my phone.

I just can't watch it on my phone. No, I'm not talking a movie. I'm just talking vertically. I'm just talking vertically as opposed to horizontal. Yeah, I do vertical. People shoot vertically. they think like they're going to do their they're going to try and make a movie vertically

young these new generation of filmmakers because that's because you're holding it like this right right right right I can't do that and if we talk about the Scorsese of it all and we're going to be that generation where it's just like talking about cinema and movies easily but that's that's my point and that answers your question

as far as it's it's inevitable those people who are talking to work it's how it's going to be it is and it's because as people are growing up it's just what they're going to know and it's like the back to the future part too. You know, they come into the thing, they make their pizza and it comes to, it's the future and it's what's going to happen.

Whether you, I don't, I think it's scary as hell. It's terrifying. The idea that, again, like if I want to watch Sopranos the next season, you know what? I want to watch a season of Sopranos where Tony actually doesn't die. He gets shot, but he recovers and they do a full season

and then they make this thing for me. In theory, you go, oh, that's kind of cool. But to Mike's point, yeah, but it's not going to have that same kind of emotion. in it and it's going to create what they think Tony Serco as Pauley should say and it's crazy. I'll say this. And again, it keeps better and better every day, but I have not seen one AI generated

image where I can't go, that's AI. Right. 100% like, oh, my buddy, you know, let's go! That clown. You want to call him out? You're going to call him out? I don't want to call him out. Yeah, but he was... He would break that kid's balls all the time. He was, he was like, on this, supporting the actor, blah, blah, blah, with the strike sign.

And the next day... I think you're a little hard on him on that on that way. I think you're posting an AI picture, an AI generation that you can tell was AI generated. You 100% you can tell. You could have just gone online. Google Jensen Eccles, Batman. Tons of fan art, Photoshop

stuff drawn out. And if that had done, I wouldn't have said a thing. I know, but I'll tell you to It was the AI thing that's fucking lit my ass up. There was something, no, I did a Zuckerberg versus what's his face, Elon Musk video. And I did a Google search for

that image and there was like oh it was an artist that did it and I put it as a thumbnail and one of our like long time fans which my favorite username Darth Vader Darth Vader's burnt asshole

it's one of my favorite and he's a very big supporter of the show and he's very respectful but he's like why did you make the thumbnail I have an AI image and I was like

it's just what I googled and I googled it and got so to your point of like you gotta be a little more it's a little more research now you have to do more research and I did do that

And I'll be honest, I looked and it said an artist had rendered this thing through, and I guess through AI, but I made it as the thumbnail. And I gave you, and in that comments that everyone who says, yes for the artist, but if you look at the comments, every single one of them was, it's AI, it's AI, it's AI, it's AI, it's AI, it's AI. And he still didn't take it down. But I think you're looking to just break that kid's balls. Of course I am.

Yeah. Because he's a, he's a kid. He's a kid. He's a kid. 25 years old. Kid. I don't know. I don't know.

I just don't, I don't like to get into these things. All right, let's do one last story and get out of here. What do you got? I got it out of here. What do you got? Oh, yeah, this guy. I want to end with... On a high note? Well, yeah, I guess so.

Because Elemental was one of these movies that I was saying, oh, yet again, another bomb for Disney. Disney Sninker. Another Pixar movie that keeps eating it, and I kept saying Elemental, people love it, but it just didn't do well. So Disney's Pixar's Elemental. It opened at 29.6 domestically,

which is, that's bad. It's the second worst opening for a Pixar film ever. and the project was dubbed a costly flop. And so not helping it was a disastrous Cannes Film Festival, coloring the perception of the film, even as later critical reviews saw a big jump in positive reaction. So the soft domestic opening also followed in the wake of last year's Disney animated films, Light Year and Strange World,

making just 226 million and 73 respectable in total box office worldwide. It's estimated those two lost the studio combined $300 million. Then came a surprise. The fortunes of Elemental began to change. The film hung in there, seeing minimal drops between weekends and scoring solid word of mouth. In fact, the film has become something of a sleeper hit, pulling in 425 million worldwide thus far. Now Disney had issued a press release to squash reports that the film was a flop, saying it had more spark than fire upon release, but it also didn't evaporate at the box office. While its opening was terrible, the film's domestic growth of 136 million.

so far is about five times its domestic opening weekend hall, which is a rare accomplishment in a theatrical world. They add that no Pixar movie has seen a multiple like this since the studio's 1995 Toy Story. It's also the first original animated film that passed 400 million since 2017. Elementals in theaters worldwide and will hit digital on August 15th. This is a big story because this doesn't, especially today the theatrical, where movies, like you look at Mission Impossible. Mission Impossible did well worldwide,

so it's not a flop, and it made money, but it didn't do well domestically. And with Barbie and Oppenheimer ain't coming back in domestic-wise. No, but someone posted a report I saw a mission the other day. They were saying that no one's reporting on it because it's doing incredibly well.

The legs on it every week has fallen less and less. So it's got legs, which we knew Tom Cruise films have legs. It's doing legs overseas. Sure. It's not doing well. But he always does better overseas. Tom Cruise always does. That movie's not a flop in any stretch of imagination,

but it didn't have the domestic hall that I wanted to, but my point is that with movies like Barbie and movies like Oppenheimer, you ain't coming back. Now, Elemental didn't have any competition in the kids spirit also.

When parents wanted to take their kids to go see a movie, like, what do we see? It's like, well, there's nothing out. What about that elemental? Is it any good? I don't know. Yeah. I'm not sure. And then they go back and they see it, and that's why I continue to do well. Here's maybe, you know, ammunition to keep movies and theaters longer.

We used to be able to build word of them out. I know that. People are talking about Mission Impossible. Like, oh, terrible idea to put it there. It's like they had that date claimed for years. Right, and they didn't know what Barbie was going to do. And no one, even two weeks before Barbie and Op. and Open, they were not tracking to do what they did.

Right. Not at all. To this extent. Yeah. So it was a once in a lifetime phenomenon these two films coming together on this date to destroy everything. Yeah.

you know, you know, Almond, good for it. Good for, like, but they're Disney films, and there should be that brand that holds it. Disney always had that brand of quality. Well, it changes, though. The fact that they were able to keep in theaters was, you know, that they didn't go, let's take it out. It changes the narrative a little bit, too, though,

because after the pandemic and because of light year and, I can't remember the first one, I think it was, um, red? Well, red definitely, but it was the first one that did it was the fantasy movie. I can't remember. Oh, onward. Onward. And it was right around when the pandemic hit

and they put it on the day in release and on streaming. They did that whole big thing. They did that a couple times and people well that killed your Pixar movies now. It killed Disney movie now and Elemental was starting to prove that true. And now that narrative shifts a little bit because you're like, well, has the ship sailed?

I don't know. I mean, look. That's the thing. We write these movies off the weekend after they come out. Like, hop-d-dub. And people are like, it's domestic, it's total box office is going to be $150 million. Like, how do you know that after the first weekend. I know there's a science and mathematics behind it,

but like, Elemental proved him wrong. But I think it really has to do, and at someone who has kids, there's not a lot of movies out for kids. Last weekend, I was like, oh, maybe I'll take my kids to the movies. Barbie's not a kid movie. It's not.

It's for my, I can take my 12-year-old, but I can't take both of them. I took them both to see Teenage Mutiny Ninja Turtles, and it went over the little one's head. Did it? Yeah, but the older one loved it. Okay.

But it went over the little one's head, and then Paul Patrol. coming out. That one will do good for her, but like family movies, like there's not a lot of them. So if you have one that can stick in theaters for a while, this can happen. Now, the same argument could have been made for Lightyear, but Light Year, but Light Year, it had a whole, it had a lot of different thing on it because the difference is, like I remember Cape Mulligan saying, well, Kate Mulligan came into the movie with their kids and the kids were freaking lost because it was too adult for the On the other hand, I enjoyed it. It's probably one of the only picture of films I liked.

I didn't mind it either, but a lot of people did not like that movie. And I understood the argument where a lot of, like, my, again, my five-year-old watched it on TV and was like, what's going on? She couldn't follow it. So I think a movie like Elemental, which she did see in the theater with my wife, and they loved it. So it makes sense. But, all right, we covered a whole bunch here today, guys. Yeah. Make sure your comments are known.

Let us know what you think about any of these things. It helps as far as the algorithm. You can like it. You can comment. But as I mentioned earlier, if you're able to and you want to support our. show, the best way to do it is look at one of those sponsors and say, oh, that's for me, whether it's one, two, all three. Let me know. Please do. And thank you very much. So Mike Kalanowski, where can the kids find you? At Mike Kalinowski. All right. And there you go.

That's easy. Simple enough. Yeah. So streamlabs.com slash the schmodown. If you want to throw in a question to be featured on the next episode of the big thing, head on over to streamlabs.com slash the Shmodown. Drop a question over there. I will ask it on the following show. So if you ask on today's show, then on the show with Roxy and myself, I will answer those questions.

So, and we'll be back soon and find us. I think it's next week. Are we going next week to that thing? Thursday. Is it next Thursday? It's next Thursday. Look for our out of the theater of Asoka. We'll be reviewing both of us as one too.

We'll see how I am. I'm so curious. I'm so curious. I'm very curious. All right, guys. Thank you so much for joining us. Hit that button. We'll see you on the flip side.

Peace.