The Kristian Harloff Show - STILL NO GREEN LIGHT! Will AHSOKA get a second season?

Episode Date: October 12, 2023

PATREON: Become a Patron!: https://www.patreon.com/TheBigThingShow  Ahsoka Season 1 was pretty well received by most fans. There were a lot of moments that we are still talking about. There is a lot of new lore that seems to further the Mandoverse. When will we see the other shows that connect? Will we see an Ahsoka Season 2? If so, will it be before Dave Filoni's film slated for December of 2026? At the time of this recording, Ahsoka Season 2 has not been confirmed yet. Will it happen? Speaking of shows announced, The Acolyte is scheduled for 2024. It is rumored to be one of the most expensive Star Wars series of all time clocking in at 50 million in pre-production a;one. Is this a mistake or will this be the best quality Star Wars so far? This and a lot of your questions with Kristian Harloff and Frank Janisch. Enjoy!! #starwars #ahsoka #tv #jedi #sith

Happy Wednesday, everybody. Welcome back to Big Thing Sith Council. Well, Asoka, it's come and gone, man. It's wrap. So is season two going to happen? Well, at the time that we're recording this, season two has not been picked up yet. That's a new report from Star Wars Newsnet. Still hasn't been picked up, but will it after the strike. So again, by the time we're pre-taping this, by the time this comes out, maybe it has been picked up.

Who knows? The Akelyte apparently costs $7 billion in pre-production. No, but at least $50 million. That's a lot of money for pre-tapeachment. pre-production? Is this going to be one of those shows? You know how excited I am about this show, guys? Is this going to be one of those shows that becomes the next big conversation of disaster for Lucasfilm or is they actually going to use the money? Like Titanic did. Remember that? Everyone thought Titanic was going to be a disaster because it spent so much money and then it became

one of the biggest hits of all time. Is that going to happen with Acklead? Is it going to be really critically acclaimed? I don't know. We'll talk about that. And then we got questions from you guys, tons of questions from you guys. And I got Frankie Janish on with me this week to talk about it. So let's do it. Let's do Sith Council. It's me. It's Frank Janish. Here we go.

Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, Sith Council. It's myself. And listen, in this chair, I've had Diego Luna. I've had Katie Sackoff, but none of them have the statistical information that this man can fit in his head. And that's the one and only Frankie numbers. What's up, Frank? Hello, how are you going? A lot of people have been in this very chair.

Not that very chair. Not that one, but this one. No, that's where I put, you know, the hooligans. Okay. I put the hooligans in that chair when Steph's here. Oh, well, that makes sense. Yeah. I think Steph's coming back soon.

I love having Mike on, but we need that balance with Steph here. Yeah. I realize it as I'm listening to show myself because he's like, he's full dark side. He really, he is, but he's also, it is entertaining because I'll, you know, I'll tune in. And it's just almost to hear what he's going to say. Oh, thanks. What cock? Just him.

Yeah, I'm like, what cock and maybe things are you going to go? Yeah, no, no, because you don't know what he's going to say because he's like, although I haven't talked to him about the finale, it'll probably be the first time we were he and I went on the same page. I'm sure he hates it. I didn't see someone roll like, well, why do you hate it? Do you listen to the reviews? Yeah. I didn't hate it.

I said there's a lot of stuff in it. I thought it was the, it still was poorly written. Like, my brother was, like, you know, again, there's, there were a lot of people, and I will be fair, because I said I was going to want to do this more in the comments to address not only just good comments, but positive critiques and

back and forth as much as the silly ones because there were some silly... At this point, I just delete these people when it's just like, that's the wrong opinion, and it's like, no. No, and then right underneath it, there was somebody who wrote and they go, look, I'm sorry,

I'm on the other side of this. I love it. You, it's essentially what you did last week. And it's like, I'm on the other side of it. I liked it. And here's why I liked it. And I respect the opinion. It's movies and TV.

It's it. It's all you have to say is, okay, you didn't dig it. Even when Mike's here, Mike hates everything. I don't tell me he's, you know, a horrible person, and a lot of people in the comments do. It's like, it's like just, I think it's hilarious. You know, I'm actually really intrigued why someone doesn't see something the way that I do. I don't go, oh, my God, what a horrible take. I go.

You want to know. You want to hear the discussion. That's really interesting. You saw it that way and I saw it a different way. And that question of why did you see it that way is way more interesting to me and a way more interesting conversation they have. A hundred percent. Because I think that that's the problem is that the people who are over the top

positive and not budging and you're in the wrong and come after you if you don't agree with it, to me they're just as bad as the haymongers, just as bad. because even though, well, yeah, but I'm positive about everything. Yeah, but you're being addicted to people if they don't feel. Because some of these people, I'm like, have you been watching? I thought everyone hated the last episode, and I thought it was my favorite, the seventh one. Oh, yeah, yeah. Everyone, and I loved it.

And I've loved the whole season. I don't like one episode, and you get people go, oh, blah, well, but then, like I said, you have tons of people in the comments who were great. And there were a lot of people like yourself who really loved this. I mean, there's people that, my brother loved the finale. talking to Roka. Roka really enjoyed it. There are a lot of people who really enjoyed it.

And again, I respect it. I just didn't love the writing. However, but the same thing I said to you last week, is the same thing I said to my brother, which what he started with was, yeah, but aren't you looking forward to season two? And I said, yes, absolutely. I want to see season two.

I'm curious. I really liked where it went, and they set it up well enough with the lore at the end of this episode. Oh, yeah, totally. That it sets up new lore and new understanding of what Star Wars is, and I'm very curious how they're going to continue that on.

You know, the season finale was very, my initial watch was I just remember having a great time watching the show as it's going through the episode. I'm just having a great time with everything they're doing. And then when you then kind of, at least for me, when I sit back and go and start talking about the show with other people and whatnot, I go, oh, yeah, you know what? Actually, you bring up a good point. Why didn't Hera and Ezra hug at the end? Right. It wasn't something I thought in the moment where it ruins the scene for me. And that can certainly happen with other people.

and that's completely fine. You know, that's just the way they watch it. Not why you watch Star Wars. You watch it for a very different reason. And I love that about the way you have it. To me, sometimes if there's things that don't make sense, it takes me out of it. But there's sometimes people go, yeah, but that's just Star Wars, and they're not wrong. There are times that Star Wars just does that kind of thing.

And sometimes it bothers me, and sometimes it doesn't. Right? And it just, it bothered me when the entire season, they're building up Sabine, to use the force, she can't do it, she finally does it in a good moment, which I liked. I didn't love that she used it because, you know, that was just my stance

the whole season. But when she did, the death trooper was going to kill her and she's able to use it. That's a cool moment. And then five minutes later, five minutes later, she now knows how to use it

and has locked into it and can toss Ezra across to a starship. If I'm Ezra, I'm going, no thanks. Right. But I mean, you know, again, you see it that when I go, Well, one of the themes or the lessons of the finale was trust. And so it's between Asoka, trusting Sabine, Sabine, Sabine, Sabina, Sabina,

trusting Assoca. Oh, I get why they did it. Yeah, yeah. But I guess to the point is more about the writing and the execution of those moments and how you convey that. And so, yeah, I can see someone saying, I think they could have done that better. As opposed to be, if you're just completely cut off to it, well, then there's hardly a conversation they have. You know what I would have done, though? You know what I would have liked?

They could have saved that moment just like that. if Ezra would have suggested it and Ezra goes, throw me and she's like, she goes, I just learned how to do this two seconds ago. He's like, trust in yourself. Certainly. Close your eyes. You just did it. You can do it again.

She said, but I could kill you. Do it. I trust you. And then she does it because they work together and why? Because he came up with it. They don't do it. It's like, come on. Because you know, an asshole actually plays into when they're first approaching the monument thing, whatever, where Assoca's like, help out. Sabine. She doesn't know how she's going to help up, but she's like Sabine, you know,

pitch and we need, we need everyone here. And so I think what you just explained there, would have would have fit pretty well, but, you know, they want a different way. They went a different way. But it's little moments like that. That's just in the writing of it. And you can have the same moments, but just tweak them just a little bit. And you can go, oh, okay, I get it. Like, risky move, Ezra, but you guys work together. You've been working together. The theme is trust. And you did it. Same thing, like little things like Thrawn says to Morgan. you need to make sure that they don't get through. They cannot get through, right?

So what does she do? She lets Sabine and, and what's her face? Sabine and Ezra, they just run right through because she wants to fight Asoka. It's like, Ezra got on the ship, and she failed miserably. Right. And she died. Right, right.

It's the same thing. No, let the death troopers do something. They get into a fight, and then Morgan tries to subdue. Can't. She can't hold them back. She tries as hard as she can. And then Osuka steps in front, battles them out, and then they escape. Same moment.

Just little writing bit. It's interesting because I feel like if you just read this script on the page, you'd be like, mine would be blown. Like, whoa, this looks great. But then it really does come down to how do they execute these ideas and pacing and the action, the choreography and all that stuff comes into play. That's not necessarily written on the paper. But if I read this in a book, it would be like, this is incredible.

Well, yeah, but as I said to you last week, right? it's like if I saw it in animation, the same way that it was done in this, I would say, okay, that works for animation for sure. Like, it's just little things. Like, why in the world does Ezra get off of the ship and the rebels ship with his Stormtrooper helmet on? Why would he do that besides, you know, dramatic effect? Right.

Which is the only reason for it. How did he escape? That too much. I'm not too bugged by that because it's like, yeah, he's hiding in trooper armor. He probably hid somewhere, found a good opportunity to get the shuttle and got out of there. I mean, I mean, I don't know what you could certainly, I guess, throw that in there, but it's just... Same thing. Show a quick scene of him battling his way out.

He battles his way out. You know, something happens. Yeah, but isn't that pretty predictable? We know he's going to get out. So why, you know, I mean, that's one less predictable thing, I guess. And it was less money, too. For sure. There you go.

I mean, I get it. I'm just, that one bothered me at least less than the other ones, for sure. but there's just other little things that I think this could have been fixed, just little little things that just could have been fixed. But overall, getting into the idea that season two. So this is a report that comes out now from, this was from Star Wars Newsnet. All right, now this was an article from last week, and it said, Asoka's Season 2 has reportedly not been ordered yet.

And again, by the time we're taping this, when it comes, maybe it has been ordered, we taped this on the fourth. So by the time you get to next week, the 11th, this. could be an old story. But at the time of this, after the finale closed out the first season of Asoka, fans might be left wondering if a second season is on the cards. A report indicates that one is brewing, but it has not been officially ordered as of yet. Deadline did a recap of the season finale, the Jedi, the Witch, and the Warlord. They made a note about what the future holds in store for Soka showrunner Dave Filoni. They wrote, some fans have speculated that Dave

Faloni's standalone feature film, which will be a culmination of his Disney Plus Lucasfilm universe of the Mandalorian, Book of Boba Fett, and Asoka, Soka, centers around Thrawn, and that it is poised to be next. However, we hear that season two is more of a reality in the conversation, but nothing's locked yet. Tonight, there were no place cards teasing that Asoka would return in the media future, watching the WGA strike end and the ongoing actor strike has put off production for some time. We've known that a second season of Osoka is in the cards for a few months from Rosario Dawson, publicly advocating for it, reports suggesting that it would happen

depending on the streaming numbers for the first season. Deadline is now saying that the new season would come before Dave Filoni's theatrical film, which makes a lot of sense considering how the story ended. However, things are apparently up in the air as Disney Plus hasn't greenlighted yet. This actually seems reasonable, as we've just finished, a five-month writer strike that landed long before Osoka started

airing and before Disney could really gauge the audience's engagement with it. Hopefully, Faloni will get the go-ahead sooner rather than later now that he's allowed to write again. Interesting enough, as I.O.9 spotted, the official Star Wars Twitter account posted a message saying, get ready for the series finale of Asoka on Tuesday, then deleted it and reposted it saying get ready for the season finale of Osoka. Obviously, not a lot to read into it. They could have kept their options open.

They might have just mistyped. I've done that before, and said series finale by accident when he went to season. Between his duties with Star Wars and the Mandalorian, it was set to start filming, by the way, his forthcoming film serving as the culmination of a fan dubbed Mandoverse, Faloni has quite a bit of work and is committed to all of it. Yada, yada, yada, yada. Okay. So,

reading all that, you know, we talked about this last week, right? The way that it would make sense if they could get it all in time is skeleton crew hits in like, I don't know, let's say anywhere between January

and February of 2020. 24. Then Acclight will come out, but that's not connected. And then Mandalorian Season 4 will come out. Now, whether or not that's a movie or whether or not that that's an actual season, that will probably come out in sometime in 2025. Probably. Now, Soka's season two, they probably let's say they greenlighted the end of this year early and they start Flonie's writing, whatever he's done, and they start shooting at the end of 2024.

they could have it ready by the end of 2025, most likely early 2026. Right. That gives us time to get into a movie at December 20206. However, Dave Filoni is not going to sleep at all. Right. That's what I'm wondering about. There's so much work that's been put on a schedule of sorts. I'm just wondering how to, I mean, I know they've kind of had, quote, unquote, a break with a strike,

which is not really a break because you're still in a strike, but you're not writing and you're not. It makes it more stressful because you can't write and you can't work. Exactly. Now the timelines get shorter if you're trying to squeeze all this stuff in. So I'm not really anticipated in a movie until like 2030 to be honest with you. I mean, it's realistic that this could be done. There's no world where they don't get a Star Wars movie up

and they'll get one out by 2026 because Bob Eiger will roll heads. I mean, that's true. They haven't had a movie out dude since, 2019. That's insane. Now, this is, some of the world, they didn't have a Star Wars movie out for years.

Yeah, because it was an active. It was an active. Like, Lucas wasn't doing anything without a purpose. That this, you buy this property for $4.2 billion. It makes you over $5 billion just in the movies alone.

You know, it's probably lost some money with Solo, but nonetheless, you've probably made that up, hand over fist, and you're not putting movies out? It's like, what are the odds that,

You know, something about this Mando season four is either a movie or a season, but what if it's maybe a truncated season, even though it's writing somewhat truncated? Possible. I mean, six episodes, but if I'm Eiger and I can see if what I would go, is let me get a meeting with Fabro and say, hey, listen, you finish these scripts before the strike, can you condense it into a two-hour and 25-minute movie?

And does it line into what you're saying, and then we can make a little money off this thing, and then don't put on Disney Plus afterwards, and it'll still tie into it. If I'm Iger, and I can say, I'm going to, you know. Especially you have condensed timelines now with pumping these projects out. I mean. Because we'll talk about it in a moment, but if the rumors are true,

how expensive Ackleit was, just in pre-production alone, and then you're going to have Manilorian cost money, then you're going to have Asoka cost. Soka is rumored to be like $200 million for the full season or whatever it was. I mean, maybe more. So when you look at all that and you're Bob Iger, you go, listen, you have these scripts and Favreau, come on, direct something. And you can, maybe that pops up in 2026 instead. Maybe he does do that.

That would be pretty cool to have a Favreau directed Star Wars film. And I think if it was like the final, quote unquote, season of Manda, I mean, it would be a great way for him to cap that, this Mando run off. how much is like do you ask the accolite pre-production or do you want to talk about the pre-production because you throw out the number and I was like I don't know how much production is supposed to...

We can get into that. Hold on. So this is a report also from Star Wars Newsnet about the Acklein. Okay. The Acolyte, which was at one point and it's still up there, my most highly anticipated show because of the time period that it's in,

this is a report from Star Wars Newsnet, Grant Davis. The Akelet might end up being one of the most expensive Star Wars television series yet, as a new report indicates that Lucasfilm spent over 49 million on the series before filming ever began. What are they building every set? They're building the Millennium Falcon to work for real. According to Forbes, the bill for the show's pre-production budget has coming at 49.2.

Lucasfilm spends so much money. It is insane. It's insane how much money is. That's a lot of money. Indiana Jones. Oh, yeah. Dude, it's insane. Wow.

How much is these numbers in part due to the economy that we're in and that affects prices? I mean, I don't know. I mean, how much prices? $49.2 million. I mean, prices are one thing, too. I mean, let's see what it is. Thanks to legal documents tried to spending on television series that are filmed in the UK, this does not, however, make it the most expensive pre-production for a new Star Wars series.

Andor reportedly spent 67.9 on pre-production calls. with a caveat that the budget was inflated due to filming during the time of COVID-19 and having subsequent safety protocols inflating the budget. Okay, well, that's a, you know, that makes sense. According to the Hollywood Reporter, the total budget of that series ended up around 250, although bear it in mind that it was a 12-episode first season while the Acklead has an eight-episode run.

Given reports that Lucasfilm's production team tend to aggressively spend money on their projects, sizable budgets on Star Wars projects being spent Day one of filming should not be very surprising. For frame of reference, the pre-production bill on Rogue One came in at 44.7 million, just 5.5 less than the Ackleit. Granted, it's not an apples-to-apples comparison between a show and a film, but that indicates that Disney Plus series could be one of the costier undertakings that Lucasfilm has engaged in since expanding the Star Wars franchise's live actions, aspirations to the small screen. Meanwhile, The Last Jedi had a pre-production budget of around 57.6. The Akelyde is set toward the end of the period in Star Wars history and is the High Republic,

which is set anywhere from several decades to several centuries before the events of the prequel trilogy. The Clone Wars and Related Works, with showrunner Leslie Headland indicating that the series is about 100 years before the events of Phantom Menace. The series is the first live-action project set in the era with the Disney Jr. Series Star Wars Young Jedi Adventures being the first animated project. Series is the premiere on Disney Plus sometime next year. The Forbes article makes a mention of speculation that Keanu in the series, but at this time, this should be taken as a wild rumor and not fact. There has been a rumor about that for a little bit. That's just the first time I've heard about the Keanu one.

Oh, I mean... Yeah, we've talked about it on this show, Sith Council, Frank. I must have missed that one. I must have fast forward. Yeah, that's fine. But we... Yeah, yeah, no, it was a rumor. It's one of the reasons that they said it was so expensive.

That would just feel the Revin series like no other. Yeah, I mean... That'd be great. If he's got a cameo, if it's a cameo, then it's a good chance. Because from Leslie Headland, from what I've heard, has read a lot of the books, gone back to the old public stuff, read those types of things. Huge fan of that series. That's what they say. So the hope with this is that if you're spending, because you look at those projects that they talked about spending the money.

they all look damn good. They all look down. Say what you want about. I know you're a fan of it, but like Last Jedi, still look pretty damn good. Oh, it looked great, yeah. And that cost the least out of all of them. Now you look at Andor, Andor looked pretty damn good.

The other thing that it has going for it, it shot in a lot of real locations and didn't really rely on the volume as much. That, I mean... They built that whole town. I mean, that's... I'm telling you, I'm like, I'm very excited for this show

for so many different reasons. I just, it just makes me nervous now because everything freaking Lucasfilm does right now makes me nervous because they, as they said, they spend so much money. Yeah, because then you're really banking on huge successes for these properties to get your money back and make money, you know? So, yeah, definitely, I can't imagine what kind of pressure these producers and showrunners are under to deliver on budgets like this.

So, yeah, I think it, I mean, for, I'm a pretty casual fan when it comes to the money side of filmmaking and TV, but it's like, if I want them to keep making these shows, I hope they're successful. And maybe they can somehow figure out how to make them a little bit cheaper, which is what I thought, like, the volume is supposed to help with, you know, reducing costs

instead of like building actual locations and stuff, but replicating it in the volume. So because, and to speed up production. So I... Well, I think things are changing. And it goes back to the previous conversation we were having about Mandalorian and Asoka Season 2, which we really have been touched on too much, but like,

Asoka Season 2, which we can bleed into this conversation. Asoka Season 2, I think, will happen. But one of the main reasons they hinted at it in the interview, or the article, rather, is strike. I mean, and not because people are on hiatus, which is a big thing, but because the studios don't know what they're going to approve and not approve them, what they're going to cut back on spending. Netflix is already going to raise their prices, again, because now they've got to give bonuses to writers. they're going to have to get bonuses to actors. So then I've got to find ways to get more money to pay people now because they had all the ways that they were going to do it.

Now they're going to have to, now they're raising their prices. And they're going to lose a lot of business, though, from people, though, too. Because there's only so much you're going to, especially Netflix. Netflix to me, there's like a few shows that I'll watch on Netflix. Yeah. Like, Stranger Things, One Piece. I'm sure there's a couple other things here and there. Squid Game I too did in for, you know.

Right. But there's a few shows here and there that I'll tune into. But they have a lot of crap, like a lot of crap. I don't even have a personal subscription to Netflix. One of my roommates does. But Disney Plus has a rhythm to it because whether you're into Star Wars or not, if you listen to this show, clearly you are. But like right now, Loki's going to star or Loki's on right now, right?

So if you're Marvel, I'll stick around. I don't know. I'm not going to drop. Well, then you got, well, my kids really love Percy Jackson. Percy Jackson's coming out. You got Percy Jackson. Yeah, but you know what? my kids watch all those Disney movies and Disney shows and all that stuff too

so they have they've got to Apple I think is doing it right oh yeah Apple's great stuff because they're putting it's quality and you know when it's coming out you know so like that's the that's the thing that they're all these streamers are going to have to find out right now and figure out before they can go okay yeah you know what Greenland Osoka season two Bob Iger doesn't always paying people yet he doesn't know how much money he wants he just spent 50 million dollars in pre-production on the acclade Which no familiar characters.

That is pretty wild. Look at the craziness of the fact that Lucasfilm was so shy on pulling the trigger on anything that didn't relate to the Skywalker saga. Anything. And even the one that did, Obi-Wan got screwed. They spent $13 and a Snickers bar on that show. And it showed with the Benny Hill music and Flea running around the joint, like it showed. And this show doesn't connect to anything at all. I love that.

But it's just crazy that they're spending that kind of money. It is surprising. I mean, when you hear the number, because I was thinking of the same thing like, man, this isn't, yeah,

it has like there's a falling with the book series, but it's not on the level of even animation. No. You know, for that matter. So it is pretty surprising, but, you know,

from the things I've been hearing and sort of seen, uh, I'm pretty excited for it, but, Will that translate to looking amazing and amazing on the screen and storytelling and all that? I hope so. It better. It has to.

It has to. At this point, it has to. And the benefit of it, if it works out and if they do it right, again, this is a matter of, this isn't the Leslie Hedlin thing as much as this is a Catholic Kennedy thing. And I get nervous when it comes to this, is that, let's say that this shows a massive hit. And it's like the Game of Thrones of Star Wars. And they're like, whoa, you thought Andor was good. Why don't you check out this show? Like this is, this show is, I can't believe they did this with this show.

They went there. This is, this type of show is, they've never done anything like this in Star Wars. And what they would be able to do if that was the case. If this was like the water cooler show that did it all, you play in that era now in movies, you play there for season two, you branch that off and you play there for a while, the same way that you play in House of the Dragon and those other things, you play there for a bit, as opposed to going, all right, well, now let's go do a yo. Yoda movie.

Or, you know, Yota will probably be in High Republic, but I said, probably is the one recognized one character. You'll be in old, you gotta be pop up in some trailer that goes public eventually. I'm sure,

yeah, because that's probably how they're gonna loop them in. It would make sense that, but that's what I'm saying, though, for some people, people who don't know well enough, like casual,

oh, they had to put Yota in it, why? But you know what? They also recognize a ton of lightsaber swinging. Sure. So,

you're going to eat your eyeballs is just from that. So that's what people, they want and or with lightsabers. Yeah. And then that's what I actually kind of sounds like. It does. You know what else they want, though?

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But no, it's not. But here we go. So this first one here is from Matt Mait. who says, what are the must read Star Wars books? That's hard for me to say, because I've been pretty public about it. And I think when you first started, when you found Jedi Council, I was like reading everything. I read everything because I got horn swagled. I got horn swagled up top because when they told you in the beginning is that everything was canon, everything was going to connect.

Things were going to be in the movies and everything. Similar to what James Gunn has said recently, but he, in my opinion, did it the right way. He said there's going to be a line that's canon. Then there'll be other stuff outside of it. That's not. Right? There'll be stuff. I'm talking about in the comics.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. There'll be certain things inside, there'll be a comic line, the video games, and those one line that'll carry all the way through in the movies and it'll be continuing on. They said, Lucasfilm in 2012,

everything's kind of, everything. So I'm reading things, and then they changed things left and right, and I remember asking Foloni about it. Flonnie doesn't pay attention to any of the books. He didn't say that, but you could tell. He doesn't care about any of the books.

There's some things, so many contradictions in rebels and Clone Wars, the things in the books. He doesn't give, maybe the Asoka book because he was like, he was, you know, consulted. Well, even that. Some people are like, right. Because there's just too much stuff to keep up with. There is. That he said as much. So to me, what the real canon is is comic books, I mean, excuse me, the video games, the, which is, what, three, the stories, the Jedi Survivor ones. Yeah.

Yeah. Or, yeah, there's two of them. Well, there's squadrons that has, that plays a little bit. Oh, yeah. And I guess, and I guess the Jane of Gubankar Battlefront story, too. So those. And then the animation series, the television series, and the movies. That's it.

Now, it doesn't answer your question about what the novels are. And then also don't take, and by me saying that, it doesn't, I'm not telling people, don't read these books. I'm telling you, I don't read them anymore because that's not what I was looking. for. I was looking for something different when I read them. However, those novels, the canon ones, Lost Stars, Bloodline, both by Claudio Gray, Lords of the Sith by Paul S. Kemp. These are, like, the earlier ones, because I can't tell you about ones that have come out in the last, you know, five years, they don't read them anymore. Have you read any of them? Yeah, so, I mean, I agree with

Bloodlines and Lost Stars, especially Bloodline now with the Asoka stuff. You want to get a little more into the Leia stuff in this time period. It's a good book to get into. If you're still curious about like Force Ghost Anakin, I would recommend Shadow of the Sith. That came out not too long ago. There's a great chapter in that book that between

I don't know if I want to get spoilers on that, but I would say it's worth your time. It's a great book overall. It's Luke and Lando. And it's kind of like Luke searching for artifacts and stuff like that and hodontas and stuff. It's a good read. It's like the search, it's like them, the reference that Lando makes in the last

Yeah, yeah, and rise. Yeah, so that's, especially, and if you do like... Oh, right, PJ was talking about that, right? PJ loves that book. Yes, it's a great read. Okay. Especially if you do love the sequel trilogy, might want to give that one a shot.

Okay. I'm trying to, because I also don't read that many books. I will say, I think, fun reads or the, from a certain point of view books, where you get those little stories and stuff like that. They're not necessarily canon, but... They said that they were. I mean, you can, these are, these are tales,

and so it's like loose, I'm telling you right now, go into all of these books as if none of it is canon. I'm telling you. Because the one that, one of the main comments that set me that I was like, wait a minute, was during the novel stuff. And someone asked like Pablo Hidalgo at the time about, well, wait a minute. They said that this happened, but in the movie this happens. And he said something along these lines, I'm misquoting it, but along the lines of, well,

if it happened, the stuff that's in the book that's not in the movie is canon, but if it's in the movie and it's different, it's not. I was like, what? What? No. No, we got to follow. And it's like, so that's why when people are like, you know, I still, you should, and to me, to answer the question as far as the best novels to read, my favorite, Darth Bain trilogy,

hands down, and Darth Plague's. Those are the books to read because I just am waiting for the day that someone takes that James Lucerneau book and says, let's make this mini-series. Let's make six episodes, hour and ten minutes apiece, the rise of Palpatine with this, and you'll get the Jedi,

and you'll get the other politicians, you'll have a good guy in it too, and you, it's a freaking, that's the real mob story that they wanted to tell. That's it. And then Bain, they could do the Bain story,

but. Well, you know, here's Wishing. Here's hoping. I got a pig coming flat on my ass pipe in a second. All right, here we go. So we got the next one.

coming out. This, urban excursion. What are the chances that we get a live action Clone Wars movie with at least Hayden, Ewan, and possibly the actress who played young Asoka? I mean, this popped when that came up. Everybody was hoping for this because during Mando, like, oh, are we going to see Clone Wars? We're going to see this. And we finally got a chance to see it. I think Flonis spent a lot of time in Clone Wars in the animation and as freaking cool as that would be. to see it. Where does it really go? Exactly.

Yeah. You covered so much ground in the seven seasons. What nook or cranny are you going to uncover to tell a story that we haven't seen before? And people will say, well, you can just redo some of the arcs and blah, blah, blah. I'm like, but that's just redoing something

that's already been on my TV, you know? The animated side of it, yeah. The books, I don't think it makes this much of a thing. But here's a question. Why have they not made any Star Wars Disney Plus movies. That's a good question. I mean,

because maybe they feel like they can make a lot of money in the theater, first of all. Sure. And so, I mean, are you talking about just like exclusively on Disney Plus or? Yeah, but I'm saying like,

why not do a Disney, do a smaller budget Star Wars movie that instead of doing an eight-hour, you know, 30-minute episode thing, do a two-hour movie and put it on, and you don't think that, like,

solo is an example. Solo would have been a great Disney Plus movie if they would have done that. Sure. It would have been a better Disney Plus movie than it was a theater. Well, you also don't release it during endgame. There's a lot of different.

Oh, there's a lot of reasons why that's in the world. For sure. For sure. I don't disagree with that. But Infinity War. But true. That would have been cool to see like a smuggler, like a smuggler, Sears, Han Solo.

Yeah. But something like if you're going to do, if you're going to do, like, let's say you're going to do a Sith, like a Darth Bain thing. You've got a better shot at making that a two-hour movie on Disney Plus, if you're not going to do a series, then you would in the theater because it's hard to lead with a bad guy in a movie. Yeah.

For a widespread audience, you can do it in TV. It's harder to do it on Disney TV, but you can still do it on TV. Yeah. So that's kind of my thought process. But they're so tied up in this Mandoverse right now and everything, too. you're looking at 2027 to 28 before it's even possible. Also, a Clone Wars live action TV show, it would be an insane amount of money to make that show.

To do it right? Exactly. Band of Brother's style. You have to, like, if we had 10 episodes, Band of Brother style, Clone Wars, signed me up. But, A, we've already covered so much ground. B, it would cost an insane amount of money to do that, right, especially nowadays.

And you look at what pre-production just for Ackleight was 50 million? What do you think of pre-production on a... I'm at scale. No, it's true. And I think we've covered it enough. It would have been, it would have been great. Look, I'm not going to complain. Oh, yeah, they put it out.

If they say it's going to happen, it'll be great. All right. Here's the next one. John Crum, ha, crum laughed at you. Who do you think will be billed as the lead character for Filoni's movie? Will it be Mando, Osoka, Ezra, or another modern character? Will they focus on Luke, Han, and Leia? Like the original heir to the empire?

Well, there's no way they're going to focus on Luke Han and Leia. Now, whether or not Luke, Han, and Leah show up with, you know, Indiana Jones-like CGI faces, that probably will happen. I think they'll probably show up in some big scene or something. They won't be a big part of the movie. So then the question is, who is the lead of the film? What do you think? If it's Dave Filoni directing the film, it's going to be Ossoca. I think you're right.

If it's Dave Faloni, it's going to be Osoka. depending what happens with the season two, Asoka, I could see Ezra possibly, depending. I think your first instincts were right. I just want to put all my money. But if I had to pick someone else other than Asoka, I would go, Ezra, because I think Amman is fond of

he has the goods. He is phenomenal as Ezra. I would watch him lead a movie. I really would. I haven't seen that much of him, but I would. So I think he's, I think he is good. I was when, my pick was Mina Musad when they were, but

I think he did a great job. It's his first, I think he's done theatrical stuff, but he's never done anything on film or TV before. So, trusted him with a full movie would be risky. Didn't mean he couldn't do it, but I also don't think that the audience

is engaged enough with Ezra yet to give him that full call. Star Wars fans, and that was the other thing I said to my brother, by the way, before I answered this question, Asoka was made for hardcore Star Wars fans. This was not made for the casual audience. So if I'm, again, Pop Iger, I'm going, guys, we need something for a little bit more that can move over to the casual because it lost a lot of casual fans. But if season two, Asoka does a lot for the character of Ezra, that's where I think, that's where my opinion would be predicated on.

I think it's Mando. Mando is the second backer. I mean, yeah, that's actually that's Mando and Grogo. I mean, it's Mendo and Grogo. Because Mando and Grogu brought Star Wars back into the conversation again after Rises of Skywalker and Last Jedi almost tore it apart. So I think that they, because it had a week third season, people forget how powerful Mando season one and season two were. And even how powerful they were in Book of BobaFet. There was the only reason people thought it was watchable was because of those two episodes with Mando. And that meat locker was like a wrestling engine.

Yes. That Bryce Dallas-Howard episode was incredible. So I think he's your, I think you're absolutely right, though. He loves Asoka. It's his baby, and he would, he's always wanted to see Asoka in the line. I think Osceau would probably be the lead or the two of them. Coley, yeah. Or the two of them.

I mean, I don't think Sabine, I don't think Sabine to be the focus. I don't, as much as Lizzie was Lizzie Bordor. Natalie Librezzo. Natalie Libreduzzo. I think she's a good actress, but I don't think she's, she's there yet for a lead. Yeah, I'll also say this in terms of Ossoco season one. I started really, really high on her portrayal as a being.

And as the series went on, I got a little less and less and less. Me too. I don't think that was necessarily her fault per se, but just kind of the way her story unfolded or lack of unfolding it, but unfolded, whatever. And so, yeah, I agree, but I still think she's really talented. I think she did a good job. But yeah, Mando, Grogu, and Asoka on a post. Like,

yeah, for sure. You're gonna pack the house. Yeah, and it's just, but it goes back to the earlier points that I made last week, is that, and you made at the end of the last episode,

was that he is on Dathamir, Thrawn, so the threat could get bigger. I just don't think he's done anything yet to make me, like I thought, I thought that Baylon was a much stronger villain than Thron. Like, who would you be,

right now, from the way that they set it up, if you're a Star Wars hero who are you more scared of if you have to face? Baylon or Thrawn? Yeah, it's definitely Baylon. He has more mystery

surrounding him. We don't know as much so I think there's an element of that that plays into why because we know, I mean, if you watch rebels. But if you didn't, so if you didn't, let's say you're a fresh-faced person going into it.

Who's scarier? Straight up from the series, yeah, you have to say Baylon, you're just more intrigued. Yeah, and that's a problem. Yeah, yeah. I will be careful. curious, though, what they do with Thron in terms of the Knights Sisters, because I feel like they're going to have,

they're going to butt heads on Dathamere, and then he's going to call the Imprinil Rema. I'm going to come, just nukes his planet, get rid of the Knights'isters, and then he goes off and then has a fight with the Republic. He needs to wreck shop. Yeah. He needs to wreck shop. And he'll do it on the Nights'Azer. He needs to absolutely wreck shop and not just have dead stormtroopers who can't do anything. He needs to get people who can do stuff, and he needs to wreck shop. It's like someone, someone, again, the comments was like, oh, you just wanted to see everybody die?

Is that what is it? No, I wanted to see the villain who's supposed to be the big threat leading into a movie. If this was the end of the movie, okay, he escapes and, I mean, it's setting it up for a sequel. But we're in this place where it's like, why am I scared of him? Why should the Republic be scared of him? Like right now, right now, why should be scared of him? It's like, all they've got to do is catch that ship. And, I mean, Sabine and Ezra and So Soca,

off 20 of them. So they'll be fine. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I, I, I, I hear all those concerns and critiques. And I, and totally, I'm like, I can't really say anything about that, other than for me personally, I'm like, well, they're got a lot of work to do in season two to, that's what it is. That's what it is. So if you do that, then it's like, okay, season one's a good preamble to the havoc he's going to wreak on the galaxy. Right. So, but would you agree, though, that if he doesn't, he's got a win in the second season. If you're leaving, oh, yeah. And people are going to go, why? Why, why can't you lose in the second? Because you're leading to a movie. He's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's

He's supposed to be the bad guy in the movie. That's why. That's why I think an easy way to do that is for him to just annihilate Dathimir that planet the people again after he brings him back, which would just be like devastating. That'd be great. Yeah. And so this is the other point that I wanted to bring this up last week. I was talking to this one, I was talking my brother about this and I was see what you get your opinion on it.

It goes back to the writing of that episode, right? So people like, oh, you wanted to see one of the main people die? They couldn't die. No, they couldn't die. I agree, but it also was one of the problems. So when Thrawn's raining this fire down on him, you're like, well, they're not going to kill any of them. And if they kill Ezra, everybody would be pissed off.

They're not going to kill Sabine. She's the main character. And not going to kill Sabine. Because she's the main main character. So everyone's fine. If you would have done something, like, did you watch Stranger Things this last? The last season? I have not actually.

Okay. So I'm just going to say there's a character. There's certain characters that you get set up with. Okay. And this is, I'm not going to spoil it, but just in case. You know, if you haven't seen Stranger Things, and I won't spoil it for you, but there's characters that are introduced, and let's say someone gets introduced, and inside of this Ezra and whatever it is, instead of just the turtle people,

and spend a little more money if you're going to, and create a village, and create people that you start to in the, whatever, fourth or fifth episode, maybe when they get there instead, and they, and you, there's two or three new characters, and you're like, oh, I like them. I like them a lot. And they crack jokes, but they're funny. One of them's got a hard at goal. One of them doesn't trust Ezra, but by the other, they do.

It was it season two with Bob with Sean Asson's character? Or he, like that? Yeah. So it's like, but you set up, yeah, but whatever. But many shows have done it, where you said in one season, brand new characters that start from the beginning that you get, and maybe they even, they even come with them over from our galaxy, right? And they're the, they're the scapegoats.

They're the ones that at the end, Thron kills. But you're so attached to them throughout it, and you get a recognizable kind of actor and a great actor that everyone loves, and you kill them off. Then Thron, you suck, Thrawn. Yeah. And because then it's like,

and that's just simple writing, putting in there going, okay, if I have those characters in there that throughout the whole season, they're not going to make it, but we're going to love them, and we're going to make them love them, so by the time we get there,

they're going to hate us that we killed them, and they're going to hate Thrawn even more. And that was in there. Yeah, I don't disagree with any of that. I don't. But also at the same time, wax on my yogi. I'm trying.

Bastard. At the same time, it doesn't, you know, bother me as much as it does other people. And that's just, you know, that's just on, that's me. But, again, I completely see what you're saying. And that type of execution and storytelling,

I've seen it before and I love it and I like when it happens. But, you know. Yeah. So all I'm saying is that you're, as you are to, season two, if it does go down, he needs to be causing some shit. Totally. Yeah.

I agree. All right. Next one. is from Justin Schultz, 4325. How do you feel about magic and witchcraft being in Star Wars? I dig it. I dig it. It's, again, because I watched Clone Wars.

I watched, you know, I've read the books, I read the comics, and I've always argued against people when they say Star Wars is science fiction. It's not. It's sci-fi fantasy. Right. So if there's certain elements that lead into this and that it's witchcraft, and what they didn't explain well enough, I think, in Asoka, is that the witches of Deathmore are using, the force. They're using the force. And it's just they're using it in different ways and they're

able to conjure it in a way that is seemless magic. They really bastardize the force with how when you call it magic like that and witchcraft. And I think it's it when you think about it the force, it's magic. It's magic. It's a why wouldn't you have another alternate form of that aside from the dark side or it's a little more visceral. You can actually see it with your eyes. And I think it's an inch. It was it did. It was, it I remember in the clomers, I kind of tripped me out, like, what is this? And then they just ended up really doing a great job of utilizing it and installing it in the galaxy. And I'm like, hell, yeah, I'm like, when I was getting word, you know, that they were going to be in Osoka. And even in Jedi Fallen Order, you know, the Dathir and the Witch, it's like, oh, that's cool.

Yeah. And so I really like that. It's kind of, yeah, really delving into the fantasy aspect. Yeah, it's a sci-fi fantasy. It has sci-fi elements, but Osoka went so much more into the fantasy, especially when you get, towards bailins, you know, angle and all that. That's where the evolution of Star Wars does come in, right? Like, you got to be able to change

things up to, and as long as it fits into it, there's been crate dragons and other things. Why can't they be magic? Yeah, that didn't bother me at all. I actually really enjoyed it, and I love that they brought it in there. I got crap for, Frank, when the trailer came out and I said, oh, that was

a witch of Dathemean. I said, no, it's not. I was like, yes, it was. It was a witch of Dathir. When she goes into the into the first episode when Assook goes down Oh, into the tomb thing? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They showed and I said, that was a witcher dathmore.

I said, no, no, it was a Jedi. I'm like, no, that was a witch of deathmore. And that person never came back who said, you were right. I'll tell you that. They still left probably, though. I'm sure they did. All right, here's the next one.

This is from Maladin Kulik 446. Do you think we are going to have less Star Wars content due to VFX starters from Disney and Marvel having unionized to strike? No, I don't think we're going to have less content. What I think what they're going to have to start to do is balance. And I think they're going to start to do more of what Andor did, right?

And what Ackleid are doing with relocations. Now I know that all those still call for VFX, but not overworking these poor VFX artists into the ground to get all these major big super shots that they don't need. And the way that they do it is that they hire whatever house is available, is going to do it for cheap. And it's like those days, I think, are coming to an end. And I actually think it's going to be a good thing because they won't overwork these people.

And I also, I think that they were relying, we're getting back to that place where we're just relying on VFX again to tell stories. And it's just like, guys, just tell the story with good writing. It's interesting, too, because you'll watch some movies from the 90s or action movies and see all the practical stunts that I just rewatched all the lethal weapon series. Oh, nice. And I'm like, like, like the stunt, like where, I was it in the first or second one, I think, where there's, Riggs is on the car in a truck, like that would all be CGI. Oh, yeah.

You don't get that stuff anymore today. Maybe you want to, maybe you get a Mad Max for your road or one of the rare ones. It's rare. Yeah, because they're like, well, why put the risk on the actor? Why do this?

Why do that? And it's like, yeah, but that's what the movie making goes into. And it's like, there's so, yeah, I wish they would go back to kind of simple filmmaking. And it's also why the budgets get ballooned. Mm-hmm. There's a, go back to Indiana Jones and the last one, yeah.

In the beginning, when there's a wide shot of Indie walking on top of the train, it's all digital. It's like we can't even do a live-action shot of that out. Because for some reason for that one, and I'd like to really find out how much of it was actually, they just de-aged Harrison Ford, right, and used his body in the same way they did the Irishman, which always is the worst. And so when he... The curbstops team. Yeah, we're not going to have...

Right. When they're not going to have him walking on the train, you know, for whatever it is. But I think that the stuff that they did in Book of Boba Fett was just so much better with Luke. They had this 30-year-old guy or whatever the hell he was, and they stuck Mark Hamel's head on him. It looks great to me. It looks great. Yeah. And I think that's the kind of stuff that I wish they would have done more with.

But the other part is with these visual effects houses and stuff, I hope, because of all this stuff that, We get better looking visual effects because, like you said, you're not going to be burning out these artists and you're not going to be, you know, just giving it off to the lowest bidder to do the job. Did you see the creator? Not yet. Okay. So the creator should be the example of how, I mean, I think it was like $120 million or $130 million, right? Still going to want to make it a loss, but that's, it's not the point of this. The point of it is, as far as $130 million, whatever it was, and it looked.

so much better than say like the flash, which the flash cost like $260 million to make, and it looked like the Scorpion King at the in certain scenes, right? This movie, the creator, looks beautiful, and it is just, the VFX are like next level. They're just so good. They're so good, and like, that's the kind of stuff.

That's Lucasville, right? Or that's ILM. Maybe so, but look, the point is, you can spend $130 million. Now, budget's also, played from actors and bigger actors and costs and things and reshoots. Sure. But you can just tell that they relied on the story

and that VFX kind of scratched the stories back as opposed to throw some dialogue into the VFX. And that's what happens a lot of times. Again, Indiana Jones. The ending of that movie, not the last scene, but the big climax, the big scene, that probably costs close to $60 to $80 million itself. Unnecessary.

Yeah. Last Crusade. Old man in a cave. Right, exactly. On a sound stage probably, right? That's it. That's it. Yeah.

I long for those days. Yeah, me too. But I just think that they don't think audiences will, like, the younger, the TikTok audience can deal with it. Sure. And they might not be wrong. All right. Next question.

Now, this is Captain Mexico. He said, I watched the leaked acolyte trailer, and they changed the logo, which gave off dark side vibes to a more Jedi-centered style. Do you think this happened because the original story was scrapped for a new one? Well, that makes me nervous.

They've already sold it that it's a Sith story. They've already sold it. It's called Acklead, for God's sakes. Now, Carriand Moss is in, are they going to focus more so on the good guys now because of what I said before that Disney can't handle

having a bad guy in the lead? Because that's what it seemed, because Leslie Henland answered a couple times this is the bad guy's story. I wonder if it's more of an ensemble type of approach. Yeah, Cary Mousd is a big name, you know, but I don't know how much to a younger audience. Sure, she's not like a major super sure. Right. But, you know, I mean, she's been to Marvel stuff, you know, the Netflix Marvel stuff.

So, I mean, there's some recognition there. But still, but not a mega, but not a mega star. Right, right. Canter Rees-o. Right, you get him in cameo, that's going to draw a lot of eyes. Amanda Steinberg, I think, I mean, she's an up-and-coming. Yeah, but still, but not, I mean, Canter Reeves would be the only name. And the only reason, other reason I think that Canter Reeves is more

likely to be in this is because of carry-up ones. That's a good point. That's a great point. I mean, they're friends. They're pretty good friends. That'd be very cool to say Hellton happens. But so that's why I kind of think maybe it's a little bit more of an ensemble approach where you're not really sure who's like the star star. Right. It might be more of a dominant storyline on the, quote, quote, light side of the force as opposed

to the dark side. But I think, you know, from all, everything I've heard, you know, especially with Leslie Helen telling kind of how the Sith kind of infiltrate and get their claw. in there without, you know, the Jedi realizing what's happening. I think there's a lot of story to tell there and to like just maybe pay it not that much attention to it and just be like, it happened. I don't think that's what's going to happen. So it's going to be spread around, I think.

Yeah, I guess, but it's just the, I look, I haven't seen the leak trailer. I don't know. But if they, if they changed the logo, if they changed the approach, I only, I've only actually seen, because they only showed, they showed the trailer at Star Wars Celebration. This year, where was it in London? London. It was in London, right? So they showed it in London, and then that never hit the internet. I think it hit it leaked.

And I saw a bit of it. I couldn't see anything. I didn't know what it was. I didn't really tell you. You saw it? I did. Yeah. And thanks Kevin Smiths, because he's notorious.

But, and from the stuff that I'd seen, like, I'm like, I can't wait to see this in 1080P, you know? Right, right. And because just some of the movements I can see and whatnot, I'll, I'll, I was like, oh, this has got the touch of, like, Caution Tiger and Dragon stuff, and it's like... Yeah, I want to see it in a good quality. Yeah, I can't wait to see it in high quality whenever they can figure out it's going to air. But that's why, and I think, like, I could not...

It's like a teaser, so it's hard to really figure out who might be the lead, but... When do you think it's going to air? Because Skeleton Crew is supposed to come out in November or December, that's clearly going to be pushed. I think that hits in, like, February or March. Who knows what Marvel show is going to come out to? that. So, Acolyte's probably going to be end of 20 next year? Probably August. Oh, maybe middle. August, September, like the same time

of Soaker. Oh, sure. Yeah, probably. Yeah. Especially now with the strikes and all that. Yeah, Maldorian's not anywhere near. That one's high on the, that's probably at the top of the list. I'm with, like, in terms of what I want to see. If it delivers the way that, if it delivers in the way that I, that I hope it will, it'll probably be my favorite show of all time. Because it's got everything that I love about Star Wars, like that old school

Sith First Jedi. I mean, I still want to see. all the Sith back before the Rule of 2 started with all the sabers, battle in the Jedi and the battlefield Game of Thrones style. Like that, I'm waiting for that. If it's ever going to happen, I don't know. I don't know what Mangold's film is going to be about. I have no idea. But I know I'm sniffing around that.

If you listen to Goyer, Goyer talked about how he was in that time period, and he was, that's what he was working on. Oh, right, right. Same type of thing. And from the rumors that I had heard of Beningoff and Weiss were working on the same thing. So it's like, you know, that's why it was weird when Kathleen Kennedy was like, oh yeah, James came in with this idea to do that then. Is he knowing the lawyer worked on that stuff and so did, what are you talking about? Yeah, I mean, anyway. All right, let's bounce back to this

one in Smart 41.58. We've seen what happens when Lucas Stone gives the property over to someone with real cinematic perspective and or. So why hasn't Lucasfilm tapped David Chase or Sam Ismail or anyone else like that to do some new TV in the Star Wars universe. Seems like a no-brainer and it's significantly less risky than doing a movie that may not work. Well, I mean, that's what we were just talking about here with Ackleit. Leslie Headland did Russian Doll. Russian Doll is a very highly, people love that show. I haven't seen all of it, but all I hear is how great it is. That's the first episode. It's pretty dark, right? Yeah. So it's like, so that is someone along those lines. Now, someone like David Chase is not going to do Star Wars. That's part one.

Chase, it's not going to do Star Wars. But it also, you've got to look at it to, it's similar to like the conversation with Marvel. They've got to be able to play inside the realm. And even though that Tony Gilroy is not a Star Wars fan, right? There's two things that Tony Gilroy has working for him in the Star Wars world. One, he's worked on Rogue once it was around the universe. He knew it. He understood it.

He learned it. while he was there. Two, he doesn't do, honestly, what JJ Abrams does. Jay just like, I got this, don't need anyone else to sell. He goes, what should be there? Oh, that's a, and that fits into the universe? Oh, yeah, put it in the back shelf then. Okay, they'll know what that means?

Okay, great, then do that. He's not like, don't put that in there, it doesn't make any sense. Great, if it works for the, he listens to the people around him. Diego Luna said as much, you know what I was talking to him. He just like, he listens to those people who know the Star Wars universe. He knows what's going on. and that's why it's so good. It's like collaborators who are going to collaborate

and listen to the other people around him who he doesn't just, I got this, get out of the way. That style does not work. And it just doesn't work. You're going to run into major problems. Like the funniest thing about to me, the original, the new trilogy. Yeah.

The one guy that actually collaborated with everyone to tell the story that everyone was telling was Travaro and he got fired. He was the only one. J.J. makes his movie, however he just makes whatever movie you wanted to make. Okay, cool. Ryan Johnson goes, nah, I'm going to do this instead.

Take some things here and there, but for the most part goes, nah. And then JJ goes, nah, because it was Travaro that went, okay, well, JJ set that up. Ryan set that up. Yeah. So, oh yeah, so Luke says to him at the end of Last Jedi that he'll be kind of around him and haunting them and that kind of thing. All right, well, I'll write that into the script, which everybody thought was going to happen.

Yeah. He's just on Octu. What? Right. So it's like, he's the one, it's, it's, it's collaboration. It's like,

who's going to collaborate with you know a lot about Star Wars or not? Who's going to collaborate and work with the team? Yeah, and I think when it comes to like Mandalorian, you know, see all the different directors they bring in there. You know,

and it's about who they know and who they work well with. And yeah, these other directors, you would hope, you know, I mean, Leslie Helen is like that one example. where it's just kind of like, oh, where did she go? Like, she has a tie into, no, she just had a great idea, pitched it. She's a fan, though.

She's a pretty big fan of this. And she is a fan, too. That's great, too. So, I don't know about, I mean, they had the, the director from Minari did an episode of Mandalorian. I mean, like, so like, they do. They right. And they got, and they have, what's their fate?

The dudes who did, say everything, ever all at once, so they have them coming in. Oh, yeah, in skeleton crew. They get them in skeleton crew. So they do have people who are. They do. Yeah, they are doing that for sure. And it's like, and look, say what you want about Last Jedi. Ryan Johnson's an awesome filmmaker.

He really is. Regardless of my opinion on that movie, Looper rules. Love Looper. It's awesome. The first knife's out, really good. Some people love the second one. I don't know the second one, but it's a little predictable.

But he's a really good filmmaker. So they have done that before. They do bring in these people, but they just need to collaborate in general. We'll see if that happens. All right. We'll do two more, and then we'll get out of here.

So this one comes in from Angel Torres 623. So I'm a little more than a casual fan with Star Wars. I'm similar to Mike. Now, the only thing I get confused on is who is the new republic versus the empire versus the old republic? Can you explain, please? Thank you, and I love the content.

I listen every day. Thank you, Angel. It's very kind. Yeah, so the only thing that I get kind of confused with, right, is when they refer to the old, Old Republic. Yeah. Now, to a lot of Star Wars nerds, the old Republic, as I was just mentioning, is the Sith

versus the Jedi before the rule of two, like a thousand years before, Revin and Bain and all that stuff. That was kind of like the old Republic era, and that's kind of what Lucasfilm has slated as the old republic. They refer to what the Republic was before the Empire toppled it in Star Wars lore now as the old Republic. So that's where it can get confusing. Because if you're watching in the prequels, that version of the government is essentially what they refer to as the old republic in like Asoca.

Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. And that's not the official kind of old republic. But the new republic is the government that was formed after the empire was toppled. Right. That makes sense. Yeah.

I think, yeah, I mean, I can see the confusion there for sure. I just know. I remember, yeah, New Republic after the empire, the other republic. before the empire. Right. And then Republic, Empire Republic. The other republic. All right.

Last one. Mavitt the Reaper. If Anakin can be seen and connected with in the world between worlds, what other entity in Star Wars lore will we see? Stil Shan, Revin, what capabilities do these entities have? I don't know anymore.

I don't know anymore because I also don't think that I love that episode. Yeah. I love that episode. I don't think it was explained very well of what the hell was going on. I don't think they explained how because in Rebels, I thought it was explained very well.

Here's this temple. They need to do this code between the father and the son and the daughter. They should be able to tune it in. They have a gateway. They have a doorway. That's how they were able to enter the world between worlds. That makes sense to me. She falls into the ocean now.

She's in the world between worlds. How did she get there? Anakin pulled her in. He didn't. It was like, again, the writing. Writing is better in animation. When it comes to the world between worlds, I think the less they try to explain about it, the better.

Because I don't think that's a thing you can really, aside from how you enter it, you could have that discussion. But how it operates and why certain people go in there and what happens in there, I think should really just could be about what is important to that person at that specific time and the lesson that they're supposed to draw from it the way that Assook I did with Anakin. I like that stuff. and, you know, that was even in rebels when Ezra had to come to terms with

you can't save Canaan the way that Soka couldn't save you. Right, right. So, like, all that type of lesson type of stuff works for me. She falls into the water, and then the force was like, Anakin, it's got one more last lesson for you. And to me, cool, because I don't know. I mean, like, sure, you could explain the force with

midi-chlorians or whatnot, and it's just, the forest is one of those things that isn't, for me, I don't need, a whole lot of explanation as long as it furthers the story for our characters. And if it has to be some unexplainable mystical force. Yeah. Cool. But you think there's going to be any other entities that kind of show up in other things? Like do they do that? Do they play with that in the High Republic? And I guess I had to go back to our previous question. The High Republic was like the was like the interim, like after the old Republic fell. Yeah. It was the, you look like

the Roman Empire, right? But it was like the High Republic was right before. It was like the, the last yeah see that was the thing I think it's the old Republic kind of transitioned into the High Republic because yeah

because the High Republic is about 100 years before episode four excuse me episode one so yeah it's all it's all

yeah they have to explain it a lot more for sure what happens for who can like access it you know that's I don't know that anybody's gonna want to tackle that outside of day

and I don't think they should either actually. All right. Well, that's the show for today. Thank you guys for joining us. And thanks to,

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