The Kristian Harloff Show - SUPERMAN (2025) | Spoiler Discussion!

Episode Date: July 14, 2025

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Superman is here. It's in the theaters and it already has started making some mullah. The question is, good numbers for the WB, bad numbers for the WB. It looks like it was a strong opening weekend. Okay, international opening. But I guess the good news is the numbers came in and that $200 million marketing number that came in was actually $100 million. So we'll discuss that. We'll discuss whether or not your WB you're happy.

that and more on the show here today with myself and john it's going to be really heavy spoilers today we're going to be doing a spoiler discussion on superman so if you haven't seen the movie already i highly recommend not watching this show unless you don't care what's happening but we are going to talk about that we're going to discuss it today thank you guys so much for getting us to 200,000 subscribers we hit it over the weekend because of you guys appreciate it let's get into it as a show with myself john roka here we go thanks again everybody welcome back to the show here on Monday it is a Superman spoiler-heavy discussion and joining me on the show is John Roker hello Roker

what's up man how are you how are you doing happy Monday how's the world how are you so far so good I'll tell you the fact that a looks like we're gonna finally discuss as we talked about last week just look let's have a conversation once we both have seen this movie yes much as much I'm gonna do myself here because you're looking I want to make sure that I really look. Are I looking bad? What's going on? No, I just want to match. I want to match how it looks. Um, so anyway, we both saw the movie. Yes. What's hilarious is that as you were going to, you were definitely the one that was kind of hitting, hitting hard coming into it. He's going to hate the movie. It turns out. That's not the case at all. And I think you might even like this movie, even a little bit more than I did. Possibly. As we talk about it, we're going to find out. Yeah.

We're going to discuss that. So the other thing that's, good is and we'll discuss it a little later because someone has to super chat about it um you feel like you're going to be owning me a second steak dinner right oh jesus i can't believe it i don't understand what's wrong with people's mind like i don't understand it i'm so shocked i thought this thing was gonna like and god bless it crossed 530 something million already what is wrong with you people stop going to see dinosaur movies it's a terrible film there's no world they're going to stop seeing so it's two steak dinners you're going to home you it's So me, there's not enough meat in this city from how much I'm going to owe you here.

I just can't believe that you keep betting, even though I keep groping you in. But we're going to discuss this movie. Damn conspiracy. Yeah, it might be. Let's get into the first part of this, and we'll dive into the actual spoilers in just a moment here. But like, when I wanted to get into the box office, because the box office was decently, but just about close to like 130 or 125 or whatever the hell it was. but it didn't do big huge numbers in the way that again Jurassic world did yeah didn't do that

and I this is what we talked about I've been talking about this is that Superman regardless of what if they want to change of it's not true you know truth justice the American way it's associated with it and it's it's an it really is and it's like he's never been a big international draw yeah despite a robust marketing campaign Superman only made 95 million at the international box office this weekend, raising concerns about just how high the man of tomorrow will ultimately fly overseas. Superman opened to an estimated $122 million in North America this weekend, adding $95 million for overseas for a $217 million global bout. That's way under what I thought. I thought this was going to cross at least 300.

People were quick to point out how wrong I was on that. And I'll say, yeah, I was wrong. I thought it would make at least $300 million. I thought they were shooting low when they said $200 million. We should have. I don't think I would bet that, though. A strong star for the DC Studios reboot, but one that's raised concerns about just how high the Manist Steel will fly in. Jurassic World Rebirth took an expected bite out of the movie while Fantastic Four First Steps is also fast approaching.

Fortunately, neither Smurfs nor I know what you did last summer are expected to pose much of a threat to Superman during its second weekend in theaters. The rap has, however, shared some valid concerns about the blockbuster's performance overseas. Superman fell short of initial expectations with its 95 million international hall, meaning only 44, percent of its cobalcham came from those markets. That's left North America, Canada, do the heavy lifting, especially after it only grossed 13.3 million combined from China, Japan, and South Korea. The movie also made less than expected in Europe with a combined 9.6 million from France, Italy, and Spain. In the UK, it opened with 9.8 million, which is a decent start, albeit one likely negatively impacted by recent heat wave in the country. As the trade

explains, I would think that would boost it. I know, you want to go to air conditioner. Air conditioner, unless you're going to get into the F1 situation I was in. I told you that, right? Yeah. Oh, it's horrible. As the trade explains, along with general superhero fatigue internationally, Superman has never been the global box office. That's what I said, that Batman is, thanks to Christopher Nolan's Dark Night trilogy.

Well, there have been some arguments that the decline of the U.S. image under Donald Trump is impacting a hero that for decades, hey, look at me. Look at me. I didn't even read this article. For decades, it was associated with truth. I just skip this paragraph of you. Yeah, right? Justice in the American Way.

Even with gun downplaying the last part in his film, box office history suggests it's not that simple. Elaborating on that, the piece points out that 51% Superman returns 391 million global growth came from domestic receipts. Man has still fared a little better with 56% of the 670 million haul coming internationally, but it also has the advantage of Christopher Nolan's name being attached to it a year after the Dark Night release the theater. Good point.

As a result, Superman is shaping up to be a domestic-driven title. That stacks the odds against. it being a huge hit. Though we recently learned that Warner Brothers, the discovery executive will be happy with an eventual $500 million dollar haul. Bullshit. I don't know. It makes more sense now, considering that the marketing has been clocked in at $100 million. I thought we thought it was $200 million. 500 makes a little bit more sense now. I don't know if they're going to be happy if that's the truth,

but they won't bang their heads against the table as hard as they would have if it was $200 million. Anyway, while that figure won't lead to returning a huge profit, it's enough for Superman to be considered a moderate success, a welcome change pace for the DC brand after a series of box office flops like Black Adam, Shazam Fury of the Gods, and Joker Folly, a doo-doo. Throw in the positive reviews and DCUs off to a good start. It will just be up to the likes of Supergirl and Clayface to build on this momentum along with whatever it is gone has planned for 2027. Superbite needs to have a great second weekend though. Great.

So we'll move to that. All right, John, a lot there. But what do you make of that in general? You know, I think Superman's in trouble, clearly. I'm not breaking any new ground saying this internationally. I think they're in trouble. And I want to be able to have this discussion with people. And those you who are watching right now,

this is going to be a nuanced discussion. And what that means is put away your warm fuzzies about the movie. And let's have an honest conversation of the box office. Don't get it twisted that the box office is mixed in with your fuzzies. It's not. I like the movie. I love the movie. A lot of you who are watching liked or loved the movie.

you didn't. The film did well domestically for an opening weekend. It didn't beat overall Man of Steel. If you factor in the previews of Man of Steel, it didn't do. I mean, if you do it adjusted for inflation, it didn't do well compared to 1970. It's Superman, which is like a billion dollars in our today's money. But it was a good start. It was a good opening weekend domestically. I'm a little surprised at how much Jurassic World Rebirth took a bite out of their box office. I wasn't expecting that. And that was a bit of a shock for me. But, you know, you look at the international numbers it's clocking in lower seven to 10 percent lower than superman interns are man of steel now those who defend this will find any excuse it's a different

box office time uh people don't go to the movies any much anymore people how do you explain all these other movies that are doing so well this is a superman movie that is launching your unit it's like superman this is you know i've said this before to a certain friend of mine comparing it to ironman it's so off base to compare to ironman completely not the same brand of recognition at all. This is Superman. And for them to be like, okay with 500, like excited with 500 million, if it

even gets to that, and the positive reviews, I think we're lowering the bars so low just so we can feel good about DC again. And that's where I think people have to separate their warm and fuzzy feelings about the movie from the actual brutal honest truth of what might be happening here.

Because if this thing doesn't even get to 500 because it's very much a domestic driven film now, if it doesn't get to 500 million or just barely above 500 million. I can't imagine Zazlov is popping wine bottles when you look at the budget being 225 and that's probably a lie. It's probably 250 or 300, even with the tax incentives. And then you add in the marketing, I think it's probably closer to 200, even though people speculating that because we're only getting those numbers from Warner Brothers. And so how how honest are they going to be? So if you, let's say it's three. Let's be nice. 300 million overall.

Okay. If you're making 500 total, you're not even making double your money. So to me, That's a flop. I don't care what people say. That's a flop. That's a disappointment. Flop. To me, for a Superman.

Like, Thunderbolts is a flop, but kind of a flop, right? Yeah, I mean, I think they lost their money that you can categorize that.

Sure. But this is Superman. Like, it should be up there in the $7 to $800 million range because people are going to see superhero movies. Deadpool and Wolverine,

again, over $1 billion. Up to me, these are good opening numbers, but I'm a little word for what's coming next. That's my honest feeling. Well,

you have to definitely be nervous with you know the competitor of fantastic four that's going to take that because you're making your money domestically domestically you're making your money that's where you got because clearly he just superman just does not hold up internationally he just doesn't traditionally just hasn't been able to do it i thought the points that they made a comic book movie was was right you know yeah um but what are you at on this um i think that like i said i think that the first part of it is domestically it's a nice number right i'm i am surprised i mean even though i knew that he just doesn't pull the same way that dinosaurs do internationally. I think that I thought it would do at least up to 300 million for opening collectively,

right? But the other thing, I've been talking about this on the show for what? The audience is going to say, yeah, we're exhausted by it. I've been talking about for two or three months, the Jurassic World was probably going to be the biggest one out of the three of them because internationally, dinosaurs. That's it. They don't care about what's being said on the screen. They don't care.

They just want to see. and it just plays to everybody else. They just, they're literally, if you're paying a ticket to go see dinosaurs running around the place, good looking CGI dinosaurs, which we can both agree that, they look great. Yeah. Even though they're monsters and not dinosaurs, but that's, who cares? You're getting what you pay for.

If it comes to the jokes and other things that might not transfer over internationally, you know, because, and the story, the emotion, all that stuff, might not transfer over. the same way, the tone. So I still, let's see how fantastic four is, but it looks like Jurassic World's going to beat Superman. I want to make it clear. Like my issues with James Gunn, because I can already see people probably painting it this way.

My issues with James Gunn are my issues with James Gunn, but my issues with the movie, I loved the movie. I want the movie to be a success. But I'm also a realist, and I'm not afraid to be a realist. I'm not caught up in, but I love the movie. Don't talk mad about them. Some people want to, I saw some people going after the box office today saying, it's ridiculous, like plugging their ears and going, la, la, la, la, la, la, don't talk to me.

It's like, come on, be adults. There's a box office situation happening. Take a look at it, analyze it, you know, have an honest conversation about it. It doesn't take away your love of the movie. It doesn't take away that it was a damn good opening weekend, but not a great one. So, like, all of that still exists. And it looks like they are going forward with the DC universe, given those statements. I mean, it's weird to me, the touchdown dances, they were.

doing this weekend, Zazlov and James Gunn. Christian, this is like celebrating after the first round in the Schmodeon. You don't know what's going to happen after the third round. So to me, I'm just really, I guess they must have been so desperate for this film to do well that they issued these statements. Yeah, but I think, I think that they have an audience enough for me to say, okay, you can, it makes sense that you would continue on. It's not like it's, but you don't even know what it's going to do.

What if it comes in under five? You mean like week, week two? Well, week two domestically is the most important. The reason why I think that I still think that domestically, it's going to still start to do well. And I have people that never see movies, never see movies, like who text me because they know him in this business. My uncle, he sees movies.

I couldn't see the Bob Dylan movie because he was a big Bob Dylan fan. He hasn't seen, he hardly sees anything in that theater, right? Ever. Last night he texted me, we're going to see Superman tonight. And I was like, okay, domestically, that's the kind of thing that more people will be doing. And we will be discussing this next Monday is that's the big that internationally week two probably

not going to do great. It's what does that number look like here that they can still keep putting money in there. And I think that they're going to hit around 600, I think, overall. You do. Between 550 and 600, I think they're going to hit. If you hit six, I guess you're happy because if you're saying five, you're happy. I guess six. It's enough to say, look, the guy just doesn't pull internationally, but we're proud of what we did.

We did some good numbers here in this. States and now we know that maybe we don't lead or we don't really go heavy with a Superman to right now we do that idea that we had we start to really put together the big three we put together the Wonder Woman movie we put together the Batman movie we team them up later on down the line I know they're doing Supergirl and yeah yeah I was and we'll get into with the spoilers but like how much is that Supergirl movie because I'll tell you from what I saw in the and I love Millie Allentuck I've said this but I saw that I don't care to see a Supergirl

movie right now. After what I saw in that movie, I don't care to see a super movie. No, I loved it. I liked it because I liked that attitude and it's appealing to the younger generation. If you look at the demos and the way the box office broke down, people under 25 liked the movie more than people over 25, both male and female. Okay. That makes sense. That being said, though, I think having Supergirl and Clayface after Superman, now if this Superman doesn't come in at a higher number, I think this is a dangerous road to be walking because I agree with you. I think there are a lot of people who don't want to see super girl i want to see but i know there there i saw a lot of people and talking to people friends of mine who don't who weren't impressed by that and now it's like

if that affects the box office for supergirl and then clay face which is being made for less this is being made for like thirty three dollars in a snickers bar exactly you want to be following up with a batman moving a wonder woman you want to be not punching now you're going to like little jabs a little jabs i don't think it's going to i didn't i didn't i just i didn't love supergirl but you make an excellent point about how it plays the younger generation because i've officially i will cash it in i will i will accept it the old man card i'm it is here because i was i went with trader joes with my daughter the other night yes and so i walk up and there's this guy this kid he must the the cashier if he was 19 i'd be surprised right right so he's standing there and i

say to him you guys take apple pay right and what do you think it's responses to me yeah What happened? Nothing happened. Nothing happened. All I asked you was if they had Apple Pets. Oh, what happened? What do you mean what happened? You can say, I'm sorry, sir, didn't hear what you said.

Excuse me? What happened? Who hires these people? It's a New York 19-year-old. What happened? And I was like, John, it took every bit of me to not embarrass my daughter right there. It took every bit of me. What happened?

the guy says. And I go, a ski cap on. I'm like, what it's, it's almost 85 degrees and you were in a ski cap asking me what happened? What happened? What happened? It's the worst. I wanted to shave his head. Do something with your life. That was my kid. Kid me? What happened? Oh, dad, you know, somebody was, I was working the cash register and the guy asked me with Apple Pay. And what did you say to him? I asked him what happened. my first instinct. What happened? It used to be the new T-shirt. What happened? Just some words. Anyway.

So the any, really quick, it's the worst thing, isn't it? It's the worst thing. I want to speak to what you just said. It's the worst thing.

Shakespeare and I, separately young rebels in our own lives. Like, we mess with the system, but when you get older, you start to see these moments pop up that you saw other people go through who were older than you,

and it really freaks you out when the moment shows up. You just 100%. How the hell is just happening? I accept it. And to be fair to that, kid, if I was saying that type of slang back when I was 19, it probably would have been me.

What would have been me? That I can't look at him and go, hey, kid, when someone asks you a question, you don't answer it with what happened. You say, excuse me? I didn't hear you. What? Anyway, Supergirl was very similar to the what happened, kid.

And so I hated it. I hated it. I hated it. I hated that scene. I hated it. It was like, it threw me off and I'm like, this is going to be a full movie of this? And I said, well, wait, she's drunk. Yes.

Because of the Red Sun thing. So, okay, they explain that. And I get she's an asshole. I get it because she was, he had the great upbringing. He was the one raised by the two great parents. She got screwed. She was there when the whole, the planet was shit to see all of it. She is, you know, mentally in a very different headspace.

I love all that stuff. It's great. Yeah. Yeah, it's dealing with the trauma. If that's the movie that we see and that's more or less how she is, then fine, and I'm on board. But if we get that for two hours, which we probably won't, she was drunk. But if we get that for two hours, I'm out.

Yeah. I mean, there is some serious stuff that happens in that book there that they're basing the film on. So there'll be, you know, balance out from those kinds of scenes. But, you know, her and Momoa are going to have those kinds of scenes, which I think will be a lot of fun, those two going at each other. probably working together and also busting each other's balls, so to speak. And so that's going to be an interesting element

of the movie. But, you know, it's going to be James Guns' taste. Even though he's not directing the movie, he is overall seeing it. It's connected to his Superman universe. So it's going to have that kind of irreverence to it, but will it have the emotion and the heart and the stakes?

And some people, although I like the emotion in this movie, some people felt the emotion was missing a little bit from this Superman movie. So we will say, other than mom-pawken i think that's you know well we came after them too man really we're gonna dive into spoilers in just a moment but as far as box office and all that other stuff what say you guys put your thoughts in there whether it's in the live chat whether it is in the replay of course on the clips channel so many of you've been visiting clips channel lately and go and we put all the segments from the show up

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Am I? Last week, yeah, last week, you know, I think it was Roxy and Mike. They did a show right when Superman, um, oh, so they, they crushed with like 203 or whatever. Oh, I didn't even write. I didn't let them know they won last week. I didn't even do that. I didn't let anybody know who won. They won.

But you're in a good spot right now. You got 37. Oh, we're even close. We're not even close to the questions yet. So 37 thus far. So let's see if you can pick up a win. So let's get into these spoilers because we got a ton of it and just like just it's not about soups right now.

Superman spoilers in general. We're going to be discussing the movie. We both saw it. If you guys didn't check it out, please again, come back when you have because we don't want to ruin anything for anybody. But even more. Okay.

So the second it starts, like I said, I think we both enjoy the movie. I did like a full like 40 minute spoiler review on. I give them my thoughts. There was a lot that I liked. There was. I think that there's criticisms that I've seen that I agree with 100%.

But I think that the difference is that you either really enjoyed the tone and how you felt coming out of this or the criticisms that you had for it just overtook it. And you couldn't really get past that on a technical sign. I didn't fall on that side. I felt more in the, I felt like a little kid watching a Saturday morning cartoon, right, which is what it felt like. I thought Corrin's foot was excellent because they set it up. And the thing, the reason why, because I told you my issues with, I thought what we were going to have with the. humor that with James Gunn. Some people did have this issue that sometimes the humor kind of

interrupted some really good moments. And I don't disagree with that, but I think that they set it up consistently, especially right in the beginning. Yeah. Right. So I liked the opening of going, hey, listen, let's let you guys know. The met of humans have been here forever, or they've been here for a bit. This has happened. This has happened. This has happened. A couple of years ago, this happened. This is when Superman came in. This is, and then he lost his first fight. Boom. Here we are in that moment that we saw in the trailer, he's bleeding, he's wheezing, he's in trouble. Crypto comes in and it lets you know if you haven't seen any of the trailers, this is the tone of the movie. This is it. From that start, the rest of it is the tone of the film. I liked how they did that because I thought that if that would have been in the

middle of the movie and it wasn't consistent with it, I mean, here's a dog flopping around and doing this. I'm like, because they didn't overuse crypto. I was worried they were going to, but I don't think they overused them. The question I have for you, and you can talk about the tone and all that in the beginning inside of this response. And please, everybody in the comment section can answer this for me too, because I didn't understand this. So he hits the ground. They say he lost his first battle.

He got beat up. He's wheezed and he's in bad shape. He goes to the robots. They help him out. They blast the sun on him. He goes back to fight. He essentially loses again, right? Not that bad, though.

It's not that bad, but what does he do? He just gives up. He just says, okay, forget, I'm going to go to work now. Because it's a weird cut. Yeah, yeah. Right? He just like, it's like, oh, he's fighting. He's got it.

Oh, no, no. You know, he didn't win this one either. And then he decided, I'm going to leave now. I'm going to go. I need to go to work now. I was like, how did that end? Did I miss something? No, I mean, they're looking at the front page, right?

He's looking at the front page. He's talking to Lois and Jimmy about it. And, of course, he found out later the lowest knows that he's Clark. So he's known that there's a man's Clark. But like this, him looking at the speculation. and all that. So clearly he did lose again. And so, but then eventually, I guess, the hammer of Bravia took off because, of course, we find out who the hammer of Bravia is, which is Ultraman.

And so he probably just kind of hit that point where he couldn't do it anymore. And then it was the next day. So these are the certain things that you see in the movie that make it comic bookie, because that's actually what you'll get in a comic book. It's just the panel. And you're like, well, what happened? Then you move on and you realize that this is still an ever-present threat that they're going to swing back to at some point down the road in the comic book,

a story that they're telling or the run that they're telling. So yeah, I hear you. It was a bit of a, oh, okay, we're doing this. So clearly they knew that this was going to be a prevalent threat throughout, and they didn't want to finish off dealing with it. But showing him losing again, I don't know what you get out of that, because the whole point of the opening was to make you see how resilient he is and how determined he is to fight back, even when he's injured,

to fight and protect the people of Metropolis. Sure. I think was the point. And you have, I mean, well, and I think the ultimate point there, too, is that Lex is monitoring the whole thing. Yeah, right. Exactly. We're showing that. Yeah. And so again, what I want to do is the stuff I liked, some of the stuff inside of it that I didn't like. I want to try to be as balanced as possible with this thing too. Um, where he's looking out there and he's, you're getting right away that this Lex is going to be a problem. He's a hateful dude. And he also is very smart. It's the Lex that we've always known. I love what they were doing, how they incorporated the technology and all that. And what we see what drove me nuts in the trailer. And What drove me nuts at first, and I've come to maybe be on board a little bit more with it knowing where it goes. Okay. Is here's still chaos.

There's still all this stuff going on in the background that at any moment, one of these things, the turn Ultraman could hit you in the head with a laser or Superman can fly through and kill you. And here's Ms. Test Mocker taking selfies out the back. Like nothing really is going on. But I think it added to the tone overall, which again, stayed consistent, plus the fact we know why she was taking the selfies. We know you find out why. Right. So I don't have as much of an issue with it.

I think that when I was watching it first, I'm like, this woman's an idiot, right? But then it turns out she's actually pretty smart when you look at what she's been doing and the kind of stuff that she's been digging the dirt on Lex throughout it. So, yeah,

I guess even hearing myself and talking it out with you right now, I'm realizing it was probably essential to that part of the movie. And it did stay consistent with that, you know, Saturday morning cartoon part. Well, and it honored what we saw in the, Superman movie in 1978 with Miss Testmarker, who was, I think, a little bit more on top of it than this.

At least initially, you think. But Lex is also, but the reason she ends up turning on Lex is the same reason that, to a degree that this Test Marker turns on Lex as well. It's that Lex dismisses her, thinks he's above her and not, and that her mom, like her mom is going to die and he doesn't care because all he cares about is his money. And in this moment, in this movie, you know, he turns on her and throws things. things at her Ultraman Yanks are out of the closet. So there's this thing. So was she

taking the picture is because she wanted insurance or whatever? Or did she discover that she was taking these pictures throughout? And realize that and realized that with Jinn's right. Exactly. Because she's not, she maybe radiates dumb, but clearly not dumb if she was taking these

pictures and they happened to all line up to these important events that essentially ensnared Luther and a criminal investigation. I like the homage to both having a Missed Pesmogger and Otisburg. Oh, which is great.

So they had both of them. But I thought sometimes like, again, let's jump all over the place. Like when we get to like jokes, there were some jokes that I thought worked really well. There were some things that James Gunn that James Gunn does often is that, okay, it's a funny joke, but does it belong there? And the one that stands out to me is right. Mr. Terrific was terrific. He was one of the best.

He was one of the standouts of the entire film. stole the movie still the movie love this scene and the crucial part when lois is going and said hey you three idiots i need your help like we got to save this guy stuck in this pocket universe where we're just he does no yet but he's stuck in this thing i need help he's the only one that helps he's the only one that has this kind of character he does this whole thing and he's like i'll help you i know you guys are dating that joke hilarious good fun and then let's go take my he's like i'll take my car we'll take my ship great end it there that big stupid garage scene is such a James gun joke. And it's like, oh, we're waiting here, waiting here.

It's like, no, now let's just get to it. You hit, you hit those moments. Funny joke, funny joke. I care about this guy. I care about her. I'm so locked in staring at the thing. Oh, this is funny, isn't it? We're just waiting.

I don't do that. You love that, didn't you? No, I felt it a little bit in the moment. But by the time that joke hit, the movie had earned my goodwill. So I got what James was going for. and I didn't ding it too hard for it. But I agree with you. The thing is, I agree with you to a degree in that I think the joke could have gone quicker. And the whole slow garage, as soon as the garage was coming up, so the fact that she waited until the thing was almost open or halfway, like, it should have started a quarter into the garage door slowly opening, her going off on him about it and whatever.

And so I understood why you put the joke in there. And that's James's proclivity at times to like throw these moments in so you don't get too dramatic about it. and it gave Eddie, rather, something more to play with. But yeah, I hear you. It felt like a, it felt like a force joke, but I think he was doing that for the younger people. So I'm just letting everybody know. This is going to be a spoiler, heavy discussion

where we're talking about the good. No, we're going to talk about the good and things we didn't like. It's not called nitpicky. It's called here are the things that we liked. Here are the things that we didn't like. Who's saying nip? If you're saying it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

The point is there are things that we like. there are things we didn't like if we're just going to see we're not going to sit here and just wave look at all the great stuff look at all the bad stuff don't do that go to another go to another channel i'm asking you nicely go away and if you want to talk about the things that you didn't like and the things that you did like that's this is the show for you and so what we're going to do again speaking of the stuff that i like lois was great i thought she was so good at the rachel braz-hand perfect cast for this perfect cast and so setting up and i like the choice of having them already. Look, you get it. We know that Lois and Superman, they've been together.

This is it. You know who they are. You know it enough that they have a relationship. And I bought it. Their chemistry from the second they open up and they're in the kitchen, I'm like, there you go. I'm on board. I love what they're doing there. And I liked. Some people talking about nitpicky. Some people thought that the getting upset and getting angry of Clark was too much. He is, this is the most human we've seen him. is and that's the whole point of this movie is that he's trying to capture the human side and what he loves of being human in general and by him getting upset he's like I love that moment when he said when he goes people were going to die and he's sitting there talking to the girl he's dating but he's like this is this is huge and I loved that moment in general yeah I thought that interview moment worked so

much better in the context of the movie than it did in the trailer because when they took the pieces out of the trailer it looked like he was just like this angry emotional aggressive dude when you watch it in context, you see that this is part of his ethos. And he's trying to have this conversation with Lois. Plus, they're at this three year and three month anniversary situation. And he's got a bit of a swagger to him. So Lois is like, well, let me, you know, you've been kind of skating by on not getting called out on some of the things that you're doing. Let me call you out like you would normally get called out if I was to interview you because you've been doing these puff pieces on yourself. Here's the reality. And so I like that as a element in the

movie and it exposes Lois's lack of confidence in relationships sometimes and so I like that as a back and forth and I agree with you it's very human, very believable and the way he walks out. We've all gotten in fights with a girlfriend or boyfriend and had that awkward thing where you walk out of their place quietly and they're somewhere else in the room in the apartment quietly and you're just like, well,

I don't know what's going to happen from here and you just kind of walk out. I loved that element to it. And of course, later they apologized to each other. That's really sweet as well. So yeah, I agree. Relationship. Yeah, relationship. I know some people were complaining that there wasn't enough between him and Lois,

and I thought there was enough between him and Lois. My only complaint with Lois was that I wanted more of her being the journalist. And I thought it was a bit of a cop out, although the test marker thing worked. It was Jimmy Olson who got that information, gave it to Lois. Lois wrote the article, but I wanted Lois to do more investigating and less being Superman's worried girlfriend. That's what I would want. That's fair. I love Jimmy Olson, though.

Skylight is such a great job. So good. I liked his interpretation. I love the fact that he's a ladies man loved that the way they played that. I'll tell you the other thing that I liked is that even know this is the thing that wasn't a little bit overstuffed the movie. It was. And do I think that we needed to have more development even though it was overstuffed with if you're going to put Hawk Girl, Mr. Terrific and I think that I maybe maybe developed them even more because what I thought they did that was good. Out of the three of them, Hawk Girl was developed the least.

Yes, agreed. Unfortunately. But the reason why we like her a lot is because she's just such a good actress. She has, when she does, she shines on the screen. And then we've already said, Mr. Terrific was the best. The way that they put him together made me more, I didn't know anything about the character, made me way more interested in his involvement in the DCU in general. And the fact when you guys were talking about the TV show, I was like,

if you would have told me that before I saw the movie, I'd be like, I have no interest in that because I don't know anything about the character. Now it's like, yeah, give me that tomorrow because he was so good in the role. And Guy Gardner, who I was the most concerned about, is he's going to be a goofy idiot the whole time? And I was told many times, well, he is a, he's a douche, but he's a douche with a big heart. And he does really care. But he's, you know, he's kind of a pompous ass. And this is exactly, exactly what I got. And I thought I was never annoyed by him. I always said, he's an ass kicker. He's able to do what he's able to do. He wants the justice gang thing to

pop. So I thought that stuff worked. That stuff worked for me. And yes, it had a guardians type of feel for it. But I thought that, I thought it worked. Yeah. For me, it didn't feel overstuffed because, like, I brought my own knowledge and my own experience with these characters into the movie. And so I can understand if people feel this way, though. I'm not bashing anybody for feeling this way. It's just for me. I was like, oh, got it. Okay, Metamorpho. Got it. Justice Gang, got it. Yes. He's not my guy, Gardner, but he's a good guy gardener for this particular movie. The Hawk Girl. Yes, I agree. I think it's criminal sometimes the thing with Isabella Merced because this is a damn good actress. And they're not giving her a chance to shine more and more.

I love that she got a chance to sign Last of Us. I wanted more of that. But of course, it was attached to a season, which half of the people seem to have not liked. So she's not getting enough of a shine off of that. And I thought she was damn good here. Her screams when she's tossing homie out of the fucking window was great. And then you look at Mr. Triffick, as I said, stole the movie. Can't wait to see a show if they're going to do that with him.

Somebody mentioned Ryan Coogler was there at the premier. I think, and him and James Gunn were having a conversation. I mean, if you give me a Ryan Cougler, directed, or executive-produced Mr. Trific series, I'm going to lose my damn mind. So I love this idea of all of that. I thought it all worked. You know, for me, I was like, okay,

you're doing pocket universes. That actually worked for me. Like, the way they were casual about everything and nothing was a big deal, I think was important for me watching the movie because they didn't make it seem like, okay, we've got to explain everything we're doing here so that you catch up.

it was more like this is what's going on this is just part of the world it's not that big of deal so i'll i really speaking to that pocket universe scene that's for me because yeah when when he when he's there and you have been morpho who eventually is going to become more of this character he's yeah begrudgingly using the kryptonite to or hurt Superman because he doesn't want lex to hurt his kid right love that was the scene that got me that i was surprised because it it did shift in tone a little bit right where lex brings in the the dude who gives Superman food in the beginning of the yes yes and they they execute them and i was like oh they just kind of torture him no they execute him and the pain in superman's face and a great job by

david and corin sweater what he does there because you felt it and i think it really showed again what superman has always been about and that's just i always remember superman to when he's like no the people it's always been about yeah always and he's he really it takes a piece out of his soul when he did when he does that and and he's laying there and finally gets the memorable has to come back is why he's still gross he's like he's like I don't know he's like I guess he need the son he's able to form he has that moment I thought all that stuff worked pretty well yeah the prison stuff is you know pretty harrowing I know some people were like oh this is a silly goofy

Superman I'm like did you not watch the prison scenes because that's pretty brutal the fact that this guy is willing to imprison people for an eternity for writing a column about him or being an ex-girlfriend or probably being a business associate that he couldn't screw over or something. They're all stuck in these cages and now he's got or prison cells, whatever you want to say, now he's got metamorpho and he's got his kid essentially right across the hall from him so he can see his kid being held by someone else as a way of torturing him and also a way of making him do what he wants him to do.

Then as you said, they bring him, look, I'm going to tell you this. I know some people get mad in the chat. I don't care. I didn't like the trope of using a person of color and killing them to inspire the white person to fight. I didn't like it. But in the movie and the context and the way it was done, I was able to forgive it because I understood what they were going for. They didn't build up the relationship enough for me to really feel the power of that death. For me, it was more about shocking nature of it all that they went that brutal.

They shot it from far away so you don't see the blood, but you see and you hear the gunshot loudly and you see his body crumple. So they didn't cop out on that, and I thought that was a really smart decision by James Gunn. I agree with that, but I'll push back a little bit. I don't think that it, I think that it's, it's an actor. I don't think it's a matter of taking out of the fact that they're being conscious of taking out of a person. Seeing it constantly for, for 40, 50 years, Christian, where they do that, it just gets a little. He was strong, though.

And he was, and he, and he sat there and he said, don't do a stereotype. Don't say anything. I mean, yeah, that one I'll push back on you with you because I think, I think that, I actually think that by doing that, again, showing how strong that guy and what he was saying, he's going, don't tell them anything. Again, I'm not saying it was a stereotype that he was playing a stereotype. I'm saying

that decision is a cliche that we've seen in so many movies throughout. We'll agree to disagree on now. All right. All right. So, but moving on in general, what they did is setting up certain relationships. I think we both can agree. I think Perry was very, it was

non-existent. Yeah, that was frustrating because one is such good. He's so good. They'll come back more. They'll use him more. I, if there's a, I said this on the review with the geek buddies, if there's a daily planet series, that's what I want. Wendell Pierce, who's been great on Elspeth this season, the last two seasons. He's a damn good TV actor The Wire. So having him be the Perry White for a daily Planet series, I think it would be a lot of fun. So I hope they bring him back to do more. That's a criticism of the film. Yeah, I guess they're going to do it. I don't really think

that they should do a Jimmy Olson series or anything to their planning on. But if they do, that's where you, that's where you would use Perry White. But I think Perry White will show up in other movies and other things. They did reference, there's references to other stuff happening within the DCU. And they put some stuff in there with the other green lantern core works and all that other stuff. And I'm sure. Easter eggs with Justice. There were certain Easterings for sure.

And even like the end credit scene of what is happening there with the fact that Mr. Dreyfick is basically helped. and so how smart this guy is that he was able to put together this thing and and Superman just saying well you know there's still things like I'm such a jerk sometimes that that's the kind of stuff that I dug and I like to and what I will say as I saw in the trailer because I didn't know the context as I mentioned many times over if the context wasn't there and it just seemed like it came out of nowhere when he's exhausted he's doing this huge fight and he's and he's laying there and he's and Mr. Triggas what are you laying around is it not laying around I'm doing stuff yeah

that works so much better in the movie than it did in the trailer yeah no I agree with you I agree with you 100%. They made that work in the way it's supposed to work because it was in the flow of a battle. Yeah. Yeah. Again, as far as, oh, again, things that we liked, things that I kind of, some things that I liked, but didn't like at the same time. Okay. So I like that they have to get into the fortress of solitude. I like that they did it through and the reveal of how they're able to do it through Ultraman, cloning him, getting in there, made a lot of sense. Love that part of it. Love the science behind it. Um, So Lex and his goons kind of go into the fortress of solitude. They get in. They wreck the robots really quick. Now, I'll be nitpicky on this all day because this is the trope that I hate. Okay. I said it in my spoiler review.

This is nothing to do with Superman. It's every movie that does this. It drives me bananas. There's explosions and everything going by. And here's the two cool character. I don't care if it's a villain or a group. And he's just walking through as things are just flying by his head. Nothing's going to hurt me.

It's like, I, I, you're, you are the, one of the smartest guys in the world. Yeah. Duck or wait for it all to stop and then go over. The two cool slow motion things going by the head, it took me out of it. I'm going, Lex, come on, guy. Like you easily could get hit in the head. You're dead and then your plan is, you're not super, you're not, you're not a metahuman. You're, you're human being.

You can easily get, if someone else was walking by and did that, that was so stupid to me. Yeah. But then to cancel the bad with the good, they get the message with. Jarrell and his wife. Yeah. Now, the idea, there's, I'm torn, I'm torn on the Jarrell stuff. If it's right, right, if it's true. I'm torn on it because if it's true, I'm torn on it.

Because part one, the reason why I'm for it. Okay. It's because it essentially says the entire theme of this film, which is Clark was raised as a human being and is taken to the human race and just wants to do good by people. Yeah. And initially, he thinks that that's what his parents are telling him to do.

Right. So when he finds out that that is not what they are telling him to do, he realizes who his real parents are and they have instilled all of the stuff that he ultimately wanted to do. Yeah. Through them. That message was received loud and clear. Yeah.

Right. And it was done very well. The nostalgia part of me and the thing, Jarrell, the way that he's always been played is, yes, he's been a hard ass. Yeah.

I've never been a lunatic, hey, go bang as many chicks as you can and take over these humans, right? That's never been a thing. Bad scientists, sure. So I'm hoping, I am kind of hoping, even though we still got to that realization about the parents and everything too,

that we find out whether it's a Supergirl or something else too, it was BS. I don't think it will be. But I just, I like having Jarrell, you know, the good pops who wanted to have his kid do, do right. I love the interpretation by Russell Crow. Right.

The more random stuff too. Like I, so I don't know. What do you think? Yeah, I thought it was a, I thought it was a shocking moment, but I wasn't caught up in it like other people. I saw other reviewers like, they've destroyed the lore.

And it's like, how much. Yeah, I'm not here. How much do you know about the lore to understand if they destroyed the lore? Because we've seen Jorrell be bad in different formats, Smallville, although we found out later he wasn't. Like there was, there's there's been storylines in the past right and i for me what i tweeted out was look this is the opening film in the dc universe james gunn is not going to wrap all the everything up in a nice bow and

move on to the next movie right have to plant seeds for the things that are uh that he's going to pay off later on we have a supergirl movie coming and i imagine that stuff is going to play into it is this a real video and then you go well this is a guy who has an it team that is dedicated to his every whim, picking up pens off the floor, getting punched by him, whatever, to do everything he wants to do. So would they be involved in creating this thing? The engineer clearly is biased as well as a businessman, tries to save her and redeem her in the stadium, and she refuses to do it.

So is she biased? Yeah, which I thought was great. And then you add the fact that since this is the first movie in a universe, there's a possibility that Luther, who is working in pocket universes, would be working with Brainiac. And so you throw that in as a possibility down the road. So if it is the thing they chose to do, I thought it was a gutsy decision. And if they stand by,

great, there'll be a lot of fun to see how they make that work. But if it was something they're going to correct later on, I thought it was a nice shocking moment that will pay it later because I'll show you what really happened. Yeah. I'm not in that camp of, oh,

you've ruined the lore. I'm in the camp of like, it's disappointing, but I get it. And I mean, like, I want it, I want the message to not be true.

Right. But if it turns out that it is, I get it, right? Like, it's like, it's just, they don't really understand these beings on Krypton, on Krypton don't really understand like what the human race is. Clark had to discover it on his own and understand that they were wrong and realize, like, who was real parents where I thought it was a really sweet moment. And speaking, we're speaking allure.

And I know that they've changed, and Mike has made this clear in a couple different times that a couple different comics. Okay. That they've had both of his parents be alive, right? Yes. And I, I think that. Mike explaining that kind of cushion the blow a little bit for me when they were indeed alive because I said, okay, especially by the time you reveal at the end, why that is, it makes sense

because one of the reasons I always thought it was so crucial for Jonathan Kent to not make it through is because it shows Superman, I can't save everybody. Right. You just can't do it. And I love Man of Steel. I really do. I love the movie. The thing I disliked about that movie the most was the way that Pa Kent died in that movie because it took away from the idea of what Superman was able to do and can't do at the same time. And like, I still think that the Donner version did it the best where he holds his hand and goes, oh, no, and falls on the floor. And he's like, I have all these powers. I can't do anything. I couldn't do anything.

That to me was the essence of being human. That was it. You can't, you can't. I mean, although I will say, as much as I love and am a Donner defender. Yeah. Although he figured out a way to fly around the planet. a thousand times and bring lowest back so um but but nonetheless but he was like it and the thing at the time right i pushed back on the man of steel stuff too because i did that and i talked about that this weekend

and did a full-throat defense of that movie because i love that movie i love that movie i love i think the jonathan kent death absolutely works for me because of the context of how it was set up he is fighting with his father in the car about the fact that his father wants him to take over the farming business and clark is being condescending to his father about being just a fall of farmer, right? So we've seen him battle with his father about his instincts to save people. And we saw that with the bus, right? So there's a 13-year-old kid and his father's like, I don't know, maybe. He's not saying, yes, let people die. He's just trying to figure it out himself. But he gives him the feeling, the purpose, right? But he clearly Clark is at that age now. It seems to be 17, 16, when he's in the car. He wants to kind of walk his own path. But now we get into a life and death situation. He sends his son to take care of his mom. Jonathan Kent does. And so Clark's over there under the bridge with his mom.

And people are watching. Everybody is right next to him. And Jonathan Kent saves the dog, stumbles out, stops Clark from. He sacrifices his life. Sure. But the Clark doesn't reveal himself too early to these people. I know why they did it.

That's what I said. It works for why they did it. Yeah, I just didn't. I cry every time when I watch that. It's fair. It's also because it's a great performance by Kevin Costa. Yeah,

absolutely. But, you know, getting back into Superman itself and then we can what we'll do is we'll get any questions that anybody has um any any spoilers it'll be open and right now again we have 56 questions before we even start you guys i would say any questions today that you have throw in as many anything we missed spoiler wise throw them in there so we can if you want us to cover anything that we might have not discussed because i'm trying to figure i mean the ultraman stuff and how they're i got serious winter soldier vibes though from

didn't you yeah yeah absolutely yeah and it was predictable i mean as soon as they open the fortress of solitude and i was like clone okay let's see where this and he the fact that he doesn't die you don't see him die he's definitely going to come back right laura yeah makes sense that makes sense that they're going to do that they i think there's a couple good setups throughout the whole entire thing um yeah i mean i think that that's the majority of the stuff that everything i can think of but again if people have other things i want to discuss let us know in the comments um as we were going to get to again we've been another hour left of the show. So anything that you guys want to discuss that hasn't brought up, please do it.

What did you think? What were your thoughts? We're going to put the full spoiler review up on the clips channel. You guys can watch on the replay here. Make sure you make your thoughts known. All right. When we get back from the break here, we're going to get into your questions. Hey. So before we do, hydro baby. I know John wants one. Summertime is hectic, man. There's so much going on. You got to try to fit stuff in. So you got to try to fit in. How do I fit working out? How do I do it? For me, I love having Hydro at my house now.

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It's amazing. It's amazing. All right, we're going to get into these questions, and there's a ton of them. Actually, I was mistaken. It's actually 63, not 58. There's a couple that it didn't register, and I've double-checked. They made sure. But I wanted to let everybody know. Look, so we did, we hit almost 10,400 on the Grasping of Strauss Pilot.

A lot of great comments over there, a lot of nice things said. And people have been discussing and asking about the new show that we are working on. I have finished the first draft. The director is currently looking at it. I have the script out to the director right now. I'm going to get word back. We'll see. Hopefully the director decides it wants to do it and if they do.

Then we're going to then start to put together the numbers as far as what a Kickstarter could look like. Now, whether or not we do a pilot or whether or not we do a full season, we shall see. John, we got going on on the channel, man, before we're getting these. Yeah, I just, you know, I've been doing more and more stuff on the channel here over the weekend, new episode of The Truth, really diving into the box office numbers there and giving my, as I said, my full throated defense of Man of Steel and addressing some of the controversies,

which we didn't even talk about the mom, Paul Kent stuff that a lot of people had issues with over the weekend and the Jarrell stuff. So that's up there on the channel now. I'm doing shorts. I've got four or five shorts that are up now that I dropped last week. And we got the Hot Mike.

And I'm sure the Jedi Way comes back this week and geek buddy stuff. And live tonight, 5 p.m. PT, Snyder and I are going live tonight on my channel with a new episode of the Hot Mike. We break down all the Superman stuff and the news and the controversy. the box office the a little bit of our review of the film as well all of that is going to be live tonight at 5 pt

youtube dot com slash john roca sends perfecto all right let's get into it let's start so there's about five questions that didn't register so i can't put them up on the screen but i can read them um and the first one is from caesar 29 29 says are you going to show sam my apes trilogy the answer is probably yes now when i don't know we got to finish the mc uke we're at loki right now we're going to do agatha we got to do the remainder of the movies. Then we have our live show that we're going to do on August 9 going over all of the Marvel movies. But then we got Lord of the Rings. We got Harry Potter.

We got the Nolan movies. So I'm not sure. So I'm not sure. Yeah, a lot. Caesar follows it up. It says, just saw it once upon a time in Hollywood for the first time. I was crying, laughing, and kicking my feet during the end fight. Sam is going to love the ending.

Yeah, it's so funny that Roka hates that movie. I love the movie. I hate the ending. I don't hate the movie. I think the movie's great. all the way up until the end. What's the difference between that ending and Inglorious Pastors?

Well, in Glorious Bastards, I know who Hitler is, and we see how bad Hitler is in that movie. We don't see how bad anybody is in that film in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Brad Pitt, by himself, takes out that entire freaking Manson family by himself, all by himself there on the ranch.

I don't even mean the ending. I mean, at the ranch, when he punches the dude, makes him change the tire, when he investigates what the women are doing, there's no threat. They are not posed as a threat at all. The only reason anybody thinks is a threat is because they know what they do in our universe.

But in that universe, there are a bunch of idiotic, misguided fools. Even Maya Hawk jumps out of the car. That's how little of a threat they were. And then they're manhandled really easily by Brad Pitt and DiCaprio. So it's a lame-ass ending to a film that was really great all the way up to it. What happened? Yeah, lay-mass. All right, let's see.

Applebee. Apple pay. Apple. We need what happened. Go, pal. Got to skip the spoilers, but support. Thank you, go, pal. Go see the movie. Yeah, go see the movie.

Bulldog with a generous $20 an intonation. Thank you. I'm glad we didn't miss. I'm on the fence about the Jarrell message. It opens up a plot point for me anyway. I do not speak for anyone else. If Supergirl was older when Krypton exploded, wouldn't she know what their ideas were for Earth?

and have told Clark. Maybe that's what happens. Maybe that's how they figure that out. But that's, but that's a good point. It's not a plot point yet. Right. We don't know. You got to see. So maybe that's how they explain it. They say it gets a bunch of BS. Maybe somebody else kind of, you know, was able to maneuver them. By the way, I knew this came from the comic, an old comic, what I loved. I loved the explanation of how Clark is able to fool everybody because they see, people see a different face. The hypno glasses. Love that. Love that. Yeah.

It's good to be in the unknown. We don't know what it is. So stay split about it until they explain it more down the road. Nathan Drake 253 who says, I was disappointed in Superman and I usually love gun stuff. Come on. Lex has mind control monkeys trolling Superman online. What the half is that?

So that's the point. That's what I'm talking about. Is that if you're not on board with this tone, because they set up that this is that kind of movie with Kaiju's and everything. else, that's the Saturday morning cartoon aspect. If you're not on board with that type of stuff in the beginning, you're going to, you're going to rightfully so say, what am I watching? Monkeys on doing troll stuff? What is this? It didn't come out of nowhere. That whole,

that whole thing, it's consistent to that Saturday morning cartoon. That's why it didn't bother me. If they were trying to be like a serious movie the whole way through and then those monkeys came out of nowhere, then I'd be like, what the hell was that? But I was like, okay, that makes sense that that's sure. He's got monkeys. doing online stuff. Okay, that tracks. It wasn't even that big of a deal. That's the thing.

Again, that's what I liked about the movie. You're walking past that scene. You're not standing there, looking at the monkeys, watching, you know, like it's a 10 to 15 second scene in the movie. You're walking right past it, seeing them,

seeing one shot of their screen, then you're moving right. It doesn't become an integral part of the movie in any way they perform. So I didn't mind it, you know. All right, here we go now. All right. Bok, Bock, Buck, Chicken.

Hey? Why doesn't Lucas film, try to create and develop new IP under their banner are they only allowed to develop projects based on ip Lucas himself created it's a fantastic question um but i think that the answer is they haven't really locked down the stuff that they have already and they don't think they have i think they're too nervous to start creating original stuff because they haven't they haven't perfected the old stuff yeah star wars is stuck in that place of having to cater to the nostalgia but then also wanting to walk its own path but every time it tries to walk its own path there are all these people who

want to hate on it before they even get a chance to see the the overall result and so it's a it's a tough time to be a star wars person or star wars created but i wouldn't wish that on any it's it's it's crazy how they're the number three game in town right now as far as the the geek stuff goes right i would say i would put out of four if we're going to put four in there okay with we'll throw star Trek in the mix. Sure. Right now. Lord of the Rings will come back soon with the Hubbun we prefer right now.

I'm going to say you got number one. I think right now Marvel is still number one game in town. I think DC is number two right now. I think there's more interest in DC. If you put, more people are talking about DC and caring about DC stuff than when new Star Wars projects are being announced. Then I put Star Wars and then I put Star Trek.

I mean, yeah, brand notoriety. say quality overall, even with Andor, I still think Star Trek has, is giving Star Wars a run for its money quality. I can't speak on that. Strange New Worlds is amazing. Okay. Yeah, I hard for me to, I can't, I can't talk about that because I don't watch anything. Yeah. El Babiaga, 1928. And I thought new Superman was a great introduction into a new world to excitement is back to my favorite line of the movies. Thanks for watching my dog, bitch. I mean, people like that. I was just talking about me. And so, you You know, I'm allowed to say that.

You are, of course. So I did not like it. And I saw, again, saw something silly. I don't like when people do this. They go, what a woman can't have problems? What the fuck are you talking about? Like, what the fuck are you talking about? I was like, no, I didn't like that.

It didn't matter who was. If there was a dude who showed up and acted that way, too, I'd say, uh, what are we doing here? It didn't, like I said, that was my moment of Trader Joe's of the what happened. And is it maybe that I'm, that I don't, I think John made a great point. The younger generation really respond to that. I did not. Right.

Yeah. But I just can't stand when people do that. Like the same, like even the same way that like, when I was watching, they want to watch an Ironheart. And it's like, they didn't like certain things.

I was like, because he spent so much time in that damn garage when you couldn't be doing more stuff. Oh, you know, a problem with Tony was there is because the white guy who building stuff.

And like, no, you idiot, has nothing to do with it. It has nothing to do with it. It's the fact that if they would have spent 40 minutes with Tony in a cave, yes, I would have a problem with that.

If he had a television show and Tony spent 45 minutes in the cave, just in the cave with music in the background, when there hasn't been a lot of development moving forward, I don't care who it was. You can't stand when people do that. It's like it's a crutch and it takes away from real problems when this shit really does go down. Yeah, it makes, yeah, it's boy and cried wolf.

It's crazy. It's like you can't both sides. Yeah, you got to pick your moments. You've got to pick your moments. I try to be. Yeah. R-Dramatica. Hey, one out of two.

Hi to some of my favorite podcasters. Thank you. Love Superman. I took my son and his two friends and they had a blast. Can't ask for anything more. Not a perfect film, but we had fun. Mr. Terrific and Jimmy Olson were the MVP's for me. Not going to argue with that.

Okay. Yeah, I agree. 100% versus terrific for sure. What is, this is mad, Sinister, McHale. What is something that you do that annoys your wife, girlfriend, everything? Also, Lex wouldn't allow his girlfriend to take selfies in the areas that could make came guilty, Team Lex. Yeah.

No, no, go ahead, John. I think that's, I think that's false because Lex is an arrogant man child. Yeah. And so he think. Wouldn't imagine. Wouldn't imagine the show. I wouldn't think that her, who he think deems to be just another one of many, right.

He can have sex with or bang around and then move on to the next thing. He wouldn't think that she'd be smart enough to do the things that she's doing. Most intelligent criminals are taken down by something they didn't see. or didn't counter or factor into a situation. Something that annoys my ex-wife. When I... Ex-wife? No, I'm a girlfriend.

Sorry, when I take my... When I take my fingernails off my fingers, just put them on the table next to... Yeah, it's pretty gross. Ouch. Yeah, that's like I... I leave... Because the shower that we have, I'll give you one out of a thousand.

You share a shower. Oh, that's cool. We have a shower that... It's down... It's the downstairs shower that we have. And in this... nice we're we're moving but in the shower that we have now it's like i put the mat down if i put the mat down yeah why didn't you hang the mat up right that's part one if i don't put it and it's like there's a puddle

on the floor i'm gonna hurt myself it's like every other freaking thing is something this is why we have two separate bathrooms the lady outlaw she has her bathroom which is the master bathroom and i try that with the guest bathroom just so we yeah sure try that with kids no fair point fair point part two out of two david david corin so it was a great superman i love the dog crypto didn't overtake the film for me. I agree with that. He did not. And I thought that he would. I liked how they introduced Millie as Supergirl. Funny. I'm telling you, I'm in the minority. I'm in the minority. Mike Joyce and Seven, I enjoyed Big Ball's cameo on Superman. Did you have a, did you have a cameo? What was, what am I missing? I don't know. Was there something that he did? I don't remember.

The Kaiju? I don't know. The donut van, 3871 made a core memory with the family. Nothing will compare to seeing my three-year-old hold her arms up in the air while Superman fly around to say the day. That's the coolest. That's awesome. That's the coolest. Hank Pim, Yeat, Tiffany and Trish, absolutely stiffy time. Was that from, was it, were they on Raw together or something? No, no, over the weekend. WWE Evolution, the second to female paper view. Oh, when was that?

It was last night. Oh, sure. When did you did that right after Saturday's main event? Saturday was Saturday, yeah, the counter all in from AEW, and then last night was WW. A lot of people are saying it's either the best premium live event of the year, I got to watch this. I got to watch it.

So, so they, did they fight each other? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, who was? That it. Tiffany. I'll tell you that poor Seth Rollins. I know. Oh, and moly.

What are they going to do? He's got to go and clearly he's going to be out for a while. Long time. Probably a year, if not. Maybe he'd love to it here. He'd jump, even when he fell back. And, yeah. I like Seth Rollins a lot.

I've always liked me too. I like him even more where he, he is in the corner and he just knew that he needed to take it home and he let L.A. night get the win over him. Yeah, well, yeah, it was not booked that way. No, of course not. He was in the, he's in the middle of the corner and the next thing you know, the guy, he hits a move on him and pins him. He's just like, he's like, I know I can't do anything and let's let's take it home. That was, I give him a lot of respect for that. I feel like the

whole faction has been cursed since they put it together. Brom Breaker's kind of disappeared on that faction. Bronson Reed didn't move the needle at all. And Seth doesn't need a faction. He is a massive star on his own and the Paul Heyman stuff. So I thought it was a cursed faction anyway. And then this just kind of puts it all now into what I would do at this point is this is when you give Bronn the ball. Oh, great point. 100%.

You realize the storyline is right in front of your face. You say brawn breaker and Paul Heyman together. Paul is left like, what do I do? Yeah. Bronbreaker takes over, dominates, giving him. And then when Seth comes back in a year, there's your feud. Yeah, 100%. I even think Braun should kick Bronson read out of the thing and put his own team together.

He's 100%. But we'll see. Hank Pim, Amy and I put on a banger. And kind of killed it for me with Naomi cashing in. So yeah, did you know me win when the belt? No,

Naomi came in and cashed in her money in the bank. Which I thought was great. I see people complaining about. What about, you know, get out of here, man. Yeah,

she took, she won. She won. Yeah, absolutely. So did Naomi have it. you mean black female champions that have ever been in the history of the WWE,

let her have a little run with it and have some fun with it. She's having a new, she's having a new thing. She looked, she was dead in the water and she came back and it was you, the one that pointed it out to me because I was like, yeah, you're like,

no, you haven't been watching as much too. They really had, she's been doing some of the best heel work that she knew. And if they can give her a run as a heel, yeah, 100% and thought five of the seven matches were good at evolutionary role.

I got to watch evolution because I didn't even realize it was gone. I was buried by, and poor Goldberg. Say what you want about Goldberg. I love Goldberg, They cut them off at the end with his speech. Come on. Good.

Oh, stop. That's not nice. Please. Come on. You don't think the matches are nice. They're boring. Ballreggia. Exhausting.

At Druton Gaster, 97. I agree that Supergirl's introduction was strange, but this version is dealing with a lot of trauma, so she puts on a front deal with it. And like I said, that was my point. That's why I thought that stupid comment about, what a girl woman can have trauma. I literally had said right before that, that if that's what the movie is, the movie itself is like, yeah, that's what she does to cope. And we get more of, like, who she really is.

Then I'll be on board. And then I'll go back and watch this movie. Oh, I get it. I said that that was the full movie. Right. That's when I'm going to have an issue. And I think this is important to clarify for you, Christians, for you, like in your defense of your opinion.

Like people, you, Bruton, are coming in with your knowledge of what happens. So you have to also factor in the casuals who have not read women of tomorrow are reacting to what they're seeing on the screen. And that's just as valid as your. reaction because you have all this information that you're putting into that moment that isn't there for probably 85 to 90% of the audience probably um okay that's your next movie so yeah right moment is divisive that could affect the box office all right let's see next one after this is Cisco 017 the slow motion scene was the best scene in the whole film which slow motion scene is that when he was fighting all

the guys at the end using his x-ray vision that was cool dude yeah i like that too The team thing worked. Hated it in the trailer. Totally worked in the movie. It was enough that if I would have seen it in the movie and not even known it was in the trailer, it would have been. Yeah, it would have been totally coming on. I would. I was cool. I wouldn't notice as much as it.

Again, they moved right past. Yeah, really good. Yeah. IMDB Blake. I will say this about Superman. It will be my top 10 of the year. Look forward to revealing that in December. There you go.

I don't know if it's in there yet for me. I started watching Black Bag last night. I really like it. Yeah. It's good so far. Good. I was tired. And I started, I mean, and I started to fall asleep and nothing new

with the movie. I mean, we're in the process of moving. So I was like, I was like, you get a new place? Just in this in general area. Not in, not in, not at a state. But we were, but I was, I'm just tired. And I'm just like sitting there and I'm going, oh my God, I'm falling asleep and I like this movie.

I'm like this is, we both my wife and I wrote this movie. Let's give it its respect and finish it tomorrow. I started watching Novakane, which I dug my wife bailed on it. So much. She bailed on it. She would she was like you know why I made the mistake of not showing her the trailer because I've been doing that with Sam and I just like Sam I'd be like Sam would just start watching a movie and because it's Sam's gonna be here she knows it's the moral of a movie and

then she goes oh that's great my wife when we started watching because the beginning of novocaine it looks like kind of like just a romantic drama right you know with a condition she's like oh this is cool and then when it turns into this action movie she's like as too far fetched I'm out I was like oh if I would have shown to the trailer but she also doesn't like like extreme violence like that too so oh that's fair yeah yeah uh the dray archives i saw the movie yesterday as a dc fan i thought the movie was mid spots all over the place and lex was whining glad the movie's doing well though i like that comment because that's a that's that person's opinion and said and ended it with

i'm glad i'm glad the movie's doing well because the same thing this question i have for everybody who's seen the movie in here whether you like to do what more so for the people who didn't like it hmm are you out meaning that was it oh gave dc you a shot, but you're not going back to visit it now. That's what I want to know. I think that most people are going to say no. Yeah. Yeah.

That they're going to stick around. Adam Hitchcock 7705. Was the stake bet 500 million? No more bets, Rorke. No, it's 700. 7. And Roker still knows he's going to lose. I think it was 750.

No, seven. Don't you start because we still haven't addressed the fact that when you said that James Gunn shouldn't have directed the movie. Oh, yeah. No, I totally owned up to it. I said on Twitter. Yeah. That's the kind of person I am. You did. You did. You did. Son of Vader on the internet.

Love Superman. Love Man of Steel. Superman Lois was better. I haven't seen it. I can't speak on it. First step, he's laid off. Mom dies of a stroke. Missed doctor's appointment for his kid due to work. All that power yet is a powerless as you and me. Why is this okay in all the- You talk for a second because they turned off the air conditioner here and trying me now. Okay. Why is this okay in all the other Superman movies and TV shows? but you guys have so many people had an issue with this in man of steel it's so frustrating it's one of the most human portrayals of superman that we've ever seen he is a kid at the beginning who has an

instinct to do something he's hiding who he really is from people and it frustrates him because he has these moments where he really wants to show what he can do and who he is and his father has to like kind of say like you got to keep that down so we don't want you to get in trouble and all of that and then he is the one who is in the essence trying to do good he's stumbling he's going to fall jorrell even says to him you will stumble you will stumble you will fall they will stumble and fall behind you will eventually lead them you need to learn what it's like to be human so that you can understand how to lead them so there's so much human going on in man of steel that i think people just kind of get angry about because it's not their norman rockwell or richard donner

superman and i think there's so much going on in that lot there for sure unheard siren incorporated sauce soup yesterday overall i really enjoyed it james gun humor didn't know he's work for me. I agree. Casting was on point. DCU off a solid start. I agree with all of it. Yeah, quality-wise, off to a solid start. Even though there are some people who didn't like the movie, I think overall, most 85 to 90% people like the movie. So yeah, that's a good start. Yeah. He follows it up and says, thoughts on this theory. What if Jarrell message is actually Zod in disguise? Bradley Cooper as Zod would be awesome. You mean like pretending that he's Jarrell? Yeah, pretending that he's Jarrell and that's, um, Laura?

Or yeah, that'd be cool. That'd be a good reveal. I think they're going to stay away from Zod, though. They'll break Michael Shannon back one more time. There's Terrence Stamp back. He's still around. He's not around, is he? Yeah, he's still around.

Come on. Territz stamp. No way. He's still alive. A hundred and 12 years old. I'm going to guess the Terrence Stamp is alive, and I'm going to say he's 87. Okay.

Let's see. He's 86. 86. And he's still with us. Get out of here. He's still alive? He's still alive. Love, Terrence, Tim.

I didn't bet a steak dinner on that. No way. Spidey Sensei, 70-2. Isn't it sad that overseas ticket sales are down because we elected to determine for a president? Look, we don't necessarily know.

That's a ridiculous thing. Yeah, we don't necessarily know why, but Superman has never played with international audience. So we don't know. The numbers are lower by at least 10 percentage points from Superman returns and Man of Steel. So that is an issue,

but I don't think it's connected to, come on stop giving that guy so much credit man this is one this is one the show roca just again yeah jrassic world's at 5 30 after its second weekend i think roca already bent the need of the bet he probably uh probably uh come on fantastic board come on smelling some basically what's gonna happen is the goodness i think john's gonna well john may be going to his first critic's choice awards we don't know yet he's slowly doesn't go out um but if but if he does i'll be in for that weekend i might have to have him do one that weekend and that i'll have I probably have to collect the following year for number two.

George Calo Stuttis. If Cara is already in Clark's life, then how could he not know about his parents' true agenda? Makes no sense. Well, again, we don't know how much she knows. Right. Like he thinks that, right, that the parents are fine or whatever, and that's okay.

But again, Kara is dealing with her own trauma. Right. Dealing with her own stuff. We don't know what she knows and what she doesn't know. Exactly. How much does she know and not know about what happened with crypto? Yeah, we can't say it makes no sense yet because we haven't seen the movie. Stay open, people.

It's okay. It's okay. Now, I can be with George after the movie. They're like, well, wait a minute. The discipline she knows everything was going on. How does that make sense? Then I'm going to go, well, George was right. But to say it makes no sense now.

I can't say because I don't have any reference to say whether it does make sense or doesn't. Boy, Wolfie. I love this movie. I thought what we got was Superman as a character in terms of being an inspiration for kindness and to become a better person. I agree with that. Yeah. As I'm saying, all this stuff is coming in about both the criticisms and the positives I'm agreeing with.

Like I love how much of an inspiration was. David Gordon said, really, it was such a different interpretation of Superman and one that I dug. Yeah, and it's, you can argue nature versus nurture. It also addresses that kind of argument, right? He's clearly a product of his nurturing, not his nature. So it's like, okay, this is a nice approach to it. The fact that he starts out with one parents being his soothing message. And at the end, he ends with his earth parents being a soothing message.

I thought that was great. It's crazy of this movie, like, I'm sure you saw it on your out of the theater reaction and reviews. You'll get one like this. I love this movie. And then the next comment will be, I hated this movie. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Mr. Jay Anderson, I can't put him into words how much I hated Superman.

I live in Canada. My theater didn't laugh once. Count me out of the DCU. I'm glad people liked it. Hey, fair enough. It didn't work for you. Yeah. I think that as he said, look, he answered my question.

I guess he's not going to be watching any more DCU. I don't know how true that is, though. I want to see if once, like, they cast like a Batman or whoever it might be is Jay out. Because Jay, when those new movies come out and you say, I changed my mind, I went and saw it, we're going to have to give you some shite. Carlton Rutter. Hey, London calling. What's up, Carl?

Sasser Man, it wasn't for me. But of course, I respect those who loved it. Interested to see how fantastic four will fare now. We'll catch the show later. Well, thank you, Carlton. Did you see, by the way, John, the 30 minutes that people have been seeing a Fantastic for and they've been losing their minds about it? No, I haven't seen that.

It's not out, right? No, I think they showed it. Don't quote me. I feel like it was Brazil. Oh, I think so. I think like 30 minutes and people are saying, but it's the same thing. It's the best thing since end game and what I said was like, you can say the first 30 minutes that I saw.

I want to go watch the rest of this thing. but how can you say it's better endgame? You don't know what the hell happens at the end of the movie. Again, what do I say? You're at a Comic-Con. Right. And they're showing you 30 minutes of the foot. In your hyper nerd, everything is amazing state of mind.

And so when you see it, you're as like, oh, you're glossing over any issues you might have because you're just glad and honored and blessed that you're in the room to see 30 minutes of Fantastic Four, which a majority of the world is not going to get a chance to see what comes out. So you get caught up in that. And it's not, you know, it's not unfair to say that that's not an issue there. Jay finds it up. It says, John, I loved your man of steel deep dive yesterday.

Thank you. There you go. I appreciate that. It's about, I was thinking about clipping it out. But we should. Definitely. Or turn into shorts. John Vargas 83833 became a humanitude member.

Thank you so much. Great time to do it. We've got two live streams coming up. Exclusive live streams. We have the Capes and Cowles comic book that you can read. We have a bunch of stuff over. there. Sam reacted to the grasping and Strauss pilot, the full thing.

We're going to put that up with folks of two members. That's a fun one too. But then obviously there's so many different things. We have the unedited reactions. We just put the Amazing Spider-Man up. We're doing Amazing Spider-Man 2. Tons of stuff. Tons of stuff. So thank you for becoming members. It's a good time for being a member. John, right now, 93. It's pretty damn good start.

Darth Vader's burnt asshole. Where you been? The direction DC is heading the direction to DC is heading with Supergirl is smart. The comic they're using is excellent. I will say that. I've heard nothing but rave reviews about Women of Tomorrow. I heard it's one of the best comic book runs there. I didn't read it.

It differences her character from just being a carbon copy of Superman. It's going to surprise people. And it very well could. And I could be sitting here going, look, man, when I saw this opening scene, I was like, oh, no, what are we going to get? And the way they delivered this and the way they adapted this comic, I'm on board.

Look, I love her. I think she's great. So do you, do you, are you familiar with the comment book? Yeah, I have it right here. We do. I'm sitting here by my PS5. I am going to read it. Maybe I'll read it today or tomorrow.

You have not read it yet. I've not ready yet. No, no, no, I've talked to people about it and see the reviews of it. And so, you know,

I'm aware of what happens in the book. So I'm looking forward to finishing it off. Maybe I was taking a pay when this happened. Scanzo was 15. I thought the part when Superman saved the squirrel was cheesy. He took me out of the movie for a second, but overall still liked it. Yeah, yeah.

He saves a squirrel. Yeah, he saves a squirrel. I think when he's fighting the kaiju, he saves a squirrel. But yeah. Oh, in the tree, and they knocked over a tree or something. Yeah. How did I miss that? Maybe that's what Mike Joyce meant about big balls.

Oh, yes. That is what he meant. Okay. So, no, I don't know how I missed that, but there you go. Cisco 017. They should have added more cat grant scenes. Would have made $1 billion. It was a great film.

I really enjoyed it. 8.5, very colorful, definitely very, very colorful movie. I disagree. I kept Bram bored me to tears. I didn't want to see any more of her. And I was happy that we didn't get anymore. I would have liked more with Ms. Tasmacher instead of more with Cat Grant.

I didn't even know. I saw some people saying like, it's so great that James allows women to wear tight skirts and show the cleavage again. I'm like, oh my God. Who is Cat Grant? She's one of the reporters there in the Daily Planet. Who is she? She's a reporter in the Daily Planet.

She gets involved with Lois and everything like that. Who is Cat Grant? Grant like is she just an actress or she like an influencer's oh you mean the the wait in the movie or person who plays cat grant oh oh yeah i forget who plays her someone who's uh okay so so cisco is just a fan of the right it's probably just attracted to her okay all right fair yeah until you brought that person up i didn't i forgot that she was even in the movie yeah um alice for the super chats are for everyone well not everyone i guess fair enough what the jakes got 15 15 understand what they were going for yeah i

I still don't know how I feel about the evil cryptonians. Also, does that mean the camera is on the evil plan? Same comment that we've been making is like, you gotta wait for the movie. I think that is what I will say. Yeah. About regardless of how I thought about their introduction, they've set up enough interesting stuff now about what she does know and doesn't know that it makes me go, oh, are they going to cover that in the new movie?

Yeah, good question. Yeah, it's a great question. So we should say. Michaela Hoover plays Cat Grant and she was in Guardians of Galaxy Volume 3 and the Suicide Squad. So clearly she's a she's a favorite of person. Yeah.

Well, he used, I mean, even the robots. The robots were all guarded. Michael Rooker. And then. Michael Rosenbaum was one of the guards. Well, yeah. And then the prison. Yeah, Mantis was one of the robot

who says, oh, he talked to me. Right, right. I am two-fly cam. If Superman does under 600 Worldwide, happens to gun will w b force him to let go to the reins and let other creators no if it does if it does under the 500 then they're probably going to be like we have issues let's move forward with the plus if anybody cares about these characters past Superman that's that but but no he's he he's done enough box office opening weekend domestically he's done enough with the reviews in general the

rotten tomato score that he's he's going to be secure for for at least in the next couple of movies. Yeah, and look, they were doing damage control on this over the last few weeks with James coming out saying, it's ridiculous that people think it needs to make 700 million and WB coming out almost immediately. It makes 500 million and get good reviews and good responses. We're happy. So they knew their internal tracking was telling them that this was not going to be a massive

film. And so they were already doing that because they want to continue to be in business with James Gunn. Right. We don't want to. happy with the direction even though it might come in way less than man of stevie but it also but that's but that's the thing it could be for them if i'm if i'm warner brothers at this point of look we've made money now the question is do they not care about dc or superman just not the big draw we hope that he would be right can batman still pull here can wonder woman still pull batman can pull right and i think

winter woman can still pull um so the question is if the two and then you team them up with superman again remember the Hulk didn't pull that that solo film didn't pull as much as i love the hope it didn't pull i still think it later on down the line if they would have gotten the rights for universal whatever they could have done their own and they still don't think they have solo rights still but i think that you know you probably could because of all the movies that hit you could have done a solo movie and probably would have done better but that movie didn't do very well did okay and so it's like okay if the next movie out would have done bad for marvel and the next one after that then it would have been trouble so you got to give it i think you

it did well enough. It's going to do well enough that it's got enough breathing room to give the other ones a shot. Well, I think that's what frustrates me in historical context because I love Man of Steel. I thought Zach Snyder did an excellent job at that movie. I wanted to, I wanted to see what his vision was. Yeah. It was going to go darker and then get lighter as it went along. That was the five movie plan.

And W.B. Overreacted. And now we're in a situation here where this film is going to come in probably less than Man of Steel, yet WB is going to be okay with going forward. with this guy so it is frustrating that we missed out on getting i'm not a restore the sniderverse person so don't get a twisted but i would have liked to have seen zach finish off his move his uh his universe you know myself i am db blake christian leave the kid alone at trader joe's got to have some samurai serenity ha ha just messing you know i'm telling it was like my daughter was i was going the whole

right home i was basically saying you know to my daughter i'm like come on with that kid and i could have been speaking german to my daughter she had tuned out the second i started complaining about it. Okay, Boomer. 100%. At Tyler Balmer, 92, had a great time seeing Superman. I'm looking forward to Supergirl next year. Is it coming out next year? Yes. Wow. Okay. I'd love to see them tell a story about Superman who sees the best and everyone and a Batman who sees the worst. Are we going to see Superman in Supergirl? You would assume so, right? Oh, 100%. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. That's why he said, when they said, are we going to see Superman and sequel next thing? He's like, define secrets. something else right right that makes sense armada 8y t where's this new snider and ubole interview talking

about the 1a button that's i think that's on his channel right on uubol's channel yeah jeff offered it to me to put up on my channel i said great i'll do it and of course uwebo walked his own path and put it up on his youtube channel so yeah i dude i we showed the fight we showed the first round of the fight oh nice so i'm i'm excited to see that interview that do they talk about fighting yeah they talk about everything they have to i got a watch that Larry Carrowitz just saw soups for my second time. I liked so much more than the first. I enjoyed it the last time,

but now some things that bothered me before don't as much. That's a good point, too. Anytime you see a movie the first time, you end up liking it more the second time or a lot less, and I'm glad that you wind up liking this more. P.T. German. Gunn's mistake was making a one quadrant American film. His creative vision is too narrow and won't take DC to the next level.

Fantastic Four should do better. I will tell you this. after my prediction. I think that part of my prediction was right in the box office. I think part of my prediction is wrong. It's easier to say now, which I'm taking complete. I understand this. Jurassic World I'm sticking with.

I think it's going to be the number one out of the three. But I did think Superman was going to be the second. I think so. Maybe I'm lying and not giving myself credit, but I think Fantastic Four is going to be the second. And then, yeah, yeah. But people can tell me if that is true. I think Fantastic Four.

What do I know? You think it's going to beat Jurassic role? Yes, I do. I do think if it's as good as some people have been saying it, and I don't mean just the Comic-Con people caught up in the hype. I mean, other people who've seen it, then who's spending as I trust, then I think there's a real possible of this thing.

Because I think Marvel fans are desperate to go see it. You think you're fantastic working a billion? I think it's possible. Don't make me do it. I'm just saying I think it's possible. I'm not going to bet on it. It don't make me do it. I don't think it's possible or nothing go for four steak dinner.

I was sure on Jurassic dinner. World. I know. C.C. Black, 1987. Shazam 1 made more money than soups overseas. That's crazy. But it's also a different time period. I know John doesn't wait to hear that, but it was a different time period. It really was. Psychedelic space. Do you think Fantastic 4 will make more than Superman? Well, we just answered it. Yes. I do. I don't know if I did, but I do now. The Cali Kidd. I absolutely love Superman. That's the best movie of 2025. It's so funny, the differing of opinions here. It's great. Better than Sinners? Betterment warfare.

Hey, maybe you didn't see warfare. And, you know, different. Maybe who knows? Nick Munn, 7.59, Superman is the unfortunate task of having to show the fans and general audiences that the damaged DC brand is moving to a more solid ground. Not unlike the heavy lifting that Batman begins had to do. I think it's a fair point, but you're not doing it in that kind of ground or reality as Batman begins, but you're still doing the same thing. You're creating a brand new.

Hey, listen, this is where we're going with us now. Yeah. Larry, coming back in. I gave it a 7, 5 out of 10, but now I'd say 9 out of 10. That's interesting. Are you going to see it again, John? I've seen it twice now. Yeah.

Yeah. I will go probably tomorrow, depending on my schedule. I'll go and see it in IMAX tomorrow. I asked my seven-year-old. I said, you want to see Superman? No. And I said,

you don't want to see Superman? It's just a bit boring. I say, you don't want to see Superman? Superman? Summer flies around? No, I go, I go, what about the dog?

So the only reason I'd see it. I'd see it for the dog? Yeah. You want to see it? No. You just said you want to see her for the dog. She's, ah, watch it when it comes out on digital. It's the best.

Wait until she found that you didn't tell her about an all woman's premium live event, she's going to be super mad. Why don't we watch this live, dad? We should. At crashing coyote, Superman's a hit no matter how much it makes. When credits rolled, I looked over and a, well, wait, wait, but look at this point. Take the point before you grab your eyebrows off your face. I look over on a six-year-old is standing dancing aisle with the biggest smile.

what crashing coyote is saying here is as far as like the people who are seeing it are responding and children are responding yeah and that's good you're right that's a hundred percent correct i don't know if that quantifies it as a hit but it certainly makes it it's a win a win i would say would not have grabbed my eyebrows over a win it is where i go it's a win it's a win at leumorgan 866 hi lads new zealand calling what's uh didn't buy a superman's too cartoony and goofy for me Fair, but still decently entertaining enough to give a six out of ten. It is. It is cartooning and goofy.

If you don't- International people, they're not like this. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, look who's back. Evil John Madden. Oh, no. I love the geek buddy.

Superman spoiler. So surprised John brought up race again. Kurtz McCull had to die for the white main character to do something. A bunch of crap. Why is it you're the only one that ever sees or brings this up? Because you don't watch anybody else who's a person of color who would tell you that that stuff is happening. Why don't you run that by Winston and see how he react?

to it. Why don't you reach out to Jay Washington and say, hey, Jay, is this a cliche? Have we seen this many times in a movie? It's all about who you choose to watch, Evil John Madd. Why don't you list out all the people you watch on YouTube. And I wonder what the percentages are going to be. So he falls one of my balls and put it in your mouth. Oh, you did so good there. He says, he says, I was upset that Mr. Terrific had to save a whitey at the beach camp, Loiseland. Well, I don't think, did he save her? I mean, he, he saved her. He took her. He took her into the danger. So, like, he had to save her, I guess, if you say that.

I mean, he did. He did that. He didn't say it. He didn't make that argument that he had to save the, you know, the damsel and the stress. Hey, where the white women at? You know how it is. 105, John. Hey, thank you. Good start to the week. And it's going to be harder for auction mark. What is it? All right? It's not a cliche of a black man

saving a white woman in a super. We haven't seen that a million times in superhero movies. Dr. Radio. I love that. Love that. What a great use of you. Do you guys think Superman got a large hog, maybe? I mean, I'm super hog.

Yeah, it makes sense. I don't think so. I still love that conversation that in Mallrats that they have about how they just, that it wouldn't work. That's why I like that scene in Super X girlfriend, when Uma Thurman is having sex with Luke Wilson and they're destroying beds and putting holes through walls because that's what it would be like. Yeah. Crashin Coyote. This is the strongest Superman. He blew himself out of a black hole with kryptonite poisoning.

And Michael Rosemann was one of the raptors in the pocket dimension. Yeah, that's what I heard he was in that. He's, I mean, he's definitely strong. Look, he gets his ass kicked a lot of times. That's, I think that people don't realize that because he's the most vulnerable Superman we've seen for sure. Yeah, I'm very damn strong. Yeah.

Katie O'Hara, the interview was a perfect meta statement of how we all see. people react with a full context and jump to conclusions about them. Which, which interview? Which interview? I think she's to talk about the scene in the, in the trailer. Yeah, but that's, this is, you, a trailer is not a place to make a meta statement. A trailer is where you want to get people to watch your movie.

So I don't think they're, I really, I really surprised because it worked in context in the movie. But she said interview. Yeah, the interview scene in the movie where she's, oh, oh, oh, I see, I see, I see. And I said earlier how the interview segments didn't work in the trailer. Right. Right, right. James, Metbull, did your uncle like Superman? I haven't spoken to him since he saw it.

I got to follow up and see. I'll report back. Honey Badger, 47. It was a VFX heavy, but I love the idea of Clark casting Ultraman into the black hole. Clark confronting his shadow fits the theme of the movie perfect. It does. Yeah, it didn't know what he needs to battle and overcome. For sure, the darkness side that it was almost like that scene in Superman 3, but better.

Yeah. Yeah. Julius Wyatt 8-895. How about the E-O-V-Raea match yesterday? It was awesome and that Naomi Cashin was perfect. Superman was a lot of fun, excited for a nice for it two weeks away. So did AO beat Ria? Yes.

And then what's her face, Cash and Naomi. Wow, it's crazy that Ria is putting so many people over lately. She's a, she's a, I mean, we won't say anything with Chris Van Blee. Yeah. You understand this woman loves the business is a lifer and she is willing to do anything. Truly. Yeah. Evil John Manon.

John, or the geek bunny's got to review this season of San. man i liked it show is trippy yeah but we're only going to talk about race issues throughout the whole six episodes so you don't want to watch it even now i don't know i reached out to the boys and asked them about because i loved season two so far i saw the four six episodes loved it but i don't think the guys have seen it so i don't know if we're going to review it yeah we'll see uh metpo set ralins injury is brutal coming off that haman turn who do you think will benefit most from this hope they don't rush brawn to the top rush i i think i think they have to rush brunt to the top They don't have anybody right now.

He's been doing this for six, five, five or six. There's no rush. Braun is ready. Put him in the main title picture. He is. Who, who else do you put in there at that point? There's no one else.

Yeah, there's no one else. Because everyone else is caught up in other storyline. Right. Because the heavy, because it's really going towards the heavyweight with the heavyweight. I mean, I guess the WWE championship,

right? Because like, so yeah, I don't know, like, I don't know where they're going to go with it. But I think Bronn, like if you're going to get Bronn in one of the big belts,

you know, you give them, probably, give him the heavyweight title you got to give him the heavyway time right somehow him and gunther would be an excellent match right but the bad versus bad i don't know uh julius wyatt 88 95 superman box office reminds me a batman begins batman begins didn't do that well and had to get people back on board with the character to batman robin's a good point then dark night became the big hit this is probably not what what wb wants to he he's not wrong there i want to see what the numbers are

overall on batman begins but batman begins was coming off the major stink of Batman and Robin. Yeah. And that was what? 10 years later? Yeah. Good point. 375 million worldwide. Yeah. Overall, domestic 206, international 166.

And it was paid for 150. Wow, was it 150? Yeah. Really? Katie Holmes is expensive. Is that true? Yeah, I'm looking at right now. Holy.

Yeah, wow. I wouldn't have in 2005, that's a massive. number yeah what a risk that was yeah holy crap it was the ninth highest grossing film of wow that's a big risk for for them to take back then um only rower i love that part when luke had me taken him to the bathroom during the ultraman fight at the end thanks pal for you gotta go you got to go that happened yesterday too oh with we went to this park running around the park and my little one we're playing the hide and see yeah the little one just stopped and goes and we're having this big fun run she just stops and she goes i got to poop and i'm like

where you want to go i was like we don't have we didn't bring that we're not like a potty or anything too i was like she's like she's pointing at one of the you know the bathroom house the department and my wife's i'm like there's no world my wife's going to let you go into that thing and it was a whole thing and we finally we were only eight minutes away from the house so we went up going back to the house but it was it was a it was a it was the thing um Tyler Bomber, 92. It was nice seeing none of the villains get killed off. I can't wait to see that enraged Lexueth put on his cryptonic battle suit.

He's going to come back. He's going to crush. Oh, you got to. And I love the fact that they had him get all like teary-eyed at the end because it showed you how much of a child he really is. It's brilliant. That's really. Unheard, sirens, incorporate. Christian, did you realize that the grasping pilot follows the basic plot of Mrs. Maisel?

Character gets cheated on and becomes a stand-up. And so apparently Pete Holmes did a show very similar. to mine too. Crash. Yeah, which is that came out like 2011. Mine was first. Mother Laca.

Mine came out in 2007 and was written in 2006. So, hey, maybe they saw it on the web and they said, hey, you know what? No one's ever going to watch this and they're right. Johnny Venerable, 4-501.

I'm with Roker. They need to fast track a DCU Batman. Right now, I'm having that conversation. I'm not saying make a Batman be Superman, but I'm saying let's cast Batman very soon. What do you think? Do you think? Let's see, right now, if the numbers

of the second weekend aren't that strong. You got to get Batman in there. You got to. Do they announce the Batman? It's like having Aaron judge on the pension, not letting them bat. Who's got to play? Are they going to do Patinson or are they going to do Brave and Bold? I don't. Brave and Bold, no, Patinson, no. I got to go to the new. I'm with you.

There's no world Mochetti is directing that movie. You can't. You can't risk it. No way. I was watching some of Flash last line. No way. Mike Joyce N7. I hope they do a more sinister take on Krypton, Jorrell. I love how they did it in my adventures of Superman. I have to, I see, I didn't know, I don't know that.

So if that's, they've done it, maybe, you know, the gun knows his comic books. So maybe he feels it's going to be more interesting. Ellen Smithy. Yo, Christian, I found a new place in Santa Clarita called Slice House. They have a, they have a slice house in New York, which offers New York style pizza by the slice. It's no pizza wagon, but it's not bad.

They do have a broad of cheese slice. Hey, Roker. What's up, Smithy? Maybe that's, there's one, have you gone to the Burbank movie theater? Yeah, recently. I went for the amateur. There's a pizza place, like right, like in that courtyard now.

They opened it up. I haven't been there since, but apparently it's really good. I don't know what it's called. Maybe it's Slice House. I don't have no idea, but there literally is right there. I'm so glad that it wasn't there when we were working there. I don't know 75 pounds, but it was, but, but yeah. So apparently there's a spot.

You should go there next time. Let me know how it is. Does it call Blaze Pizza? No? No. Is it Blaze? I'm sure. No, no, no. Amalienko of 96.

I get why you're skeptical about Supergirl, but I assure you she's not a drunk the whole time. Okay. The story is actually pretty emotional. A lot of people are saying that. Right. I want it to be a different. I don't want it to be the same tone as Superman and James Gunn has pretty much said that it won't be, right? Yeah.

Michael Hollandback 88. Clone part took me out. Very tired of that trope. It's fair. It's fair. Mr. James. You talk about clones all the time. Are you talking about clones again?

John, a major plot point people miss with Kostner's Ha is the VO finally giving Clark his blessing to become Earth here before he joins the Justice League. You need to show them who you are. Fly, son. It's time. Yeah. I saw someone post two pictures from the Clark scenes with Kent from Man of Steel. Like, this is my education litmus test. If you like these scenes, you're an idiot.

I'm like, man, do you understand? And these are the same people that are usually out here going like, I don't want toxicity and fandoms. Why is toxicity in fandoms? And then they gleefully go after man of steel. A lot of these writer nerds and the people in our space, they love to take condescending snarky shots in man of steel. And it's like, don't cry about toxicity if you're adding to it. Seriously, go F F yourself.

Fair enough. Fosier Brutes has done this before, a godfather of a godfather too. You're crazy. They're all. Crazy. Rostra Green. Hey, y'all. Can you rank your top four live action Superman?

Christopher, Brandon, Henry, Tyler, David Dean. and Dean. I don't see it's going to be harder for me because I don't know because I didn't watch the other the shows that much. I don't have enough for and and I want you to rank it John not as far as anything outside of the performances. Right. So um Christopher's one for sure. I'm going to go Christopher one. I'm going to go Henry two. I'm going to go David three because I can't speak on the other two. I haven't seen. And I will say Tyler Hawkins forks a lot of people love Tyler Hawkins in that Superman Lois series, which I've got to watch. But and Braden Ralph was good. It just was Brandon.

Brandon. Brandon, I put after David. So yeah. Yeah. Dean Kane is somewhere in the bottom in the barrel, swimming around with the feces. That's, but did you like it before, before you knew anything about him? Did you like that?

I always thought that show with lightweight. The shame Arkell. I enjoyed Superman. I laughed at most of the jokes. All right. There you go. Dancing Dog 60. Hawk girl made quite the executive decision.

Yeah, she did. That was hilarious. When she drops the dude, I love that. I'm not Superman. It was great. It was amazing. That's great. That's the kind of James Gunn stuff that I love.

Right. There's the garage door thing that I hated, and then there's moments like that that I loved. He was funny. He was Superman leaks, but he was women. You can't cast any better than that for that role. He was the best. Like, that guy, the second I saw him, I saw him,

I know exactly who that is. I knew exactly what character that is. It was cast brilliantly. Django Blackfire. Why does John owe the first steak dinner? What bad? It was Deadpool and Wolverine. He didn't think he was going to hit a million dollars.

I did not. Nope. Mallory Garrett, laughing my ass off question because I teach high school and I got a million what happened responses a day from these kids. Yeah, it's just, it's that thing.

It's that. It's, is it supposed to mean something? Yeah, what happened is basically like, excuse me. It's lingo for, excuse me or what or I'm not sure like what happened nothing happened nothing happened

just answer the question yeah Scott F harrowist did you guys have a hard time buying Lexus motivation I love the movie but I felt they didn't build that up enough it was great though yeah yeah I think that they could have they could because he was so good he was a little he was a little black and white mustache twirling he didn't have much you don't know why he hates Superman right they don't show you the genesis of his hatred of superman Superman. So in that way, I think what James said, like, he doesn't want to go to origin stories for his stuff. So you're just handed this. And if you know Alex Luther and you know Superman, you know Lex is always hated to. So we're not going to show you distinctly why he hates him in this movie. But I do understand people feeling this way like, hey, this is Alex Luther or new Lex Luther. I want to see the motivation.

You're showing me all the motivation for Superman. Why am I not getting the motivation for Luther? So I think it's a fair criticism. Mab, SLC, James Gunn has restored my faith in superhero movies. Absolutely loved it. Also, as a aside rip to diego jota gone too soon forever or number 20 yeah i was watching uh the preseason game yesterday against preston north end it was heartbreaking just uh not having yoga there anymore let's show what tragedy when did that happen yeah happened a couple weeks ago him and his brother were uh driving back to take ferry to liverpool and their car their expensive car the uh tire blew out Wow. And they flipped off the road and died in the fire. Oh, that's horrible.

J.R. Hale, 320, didn't love some of the use of the old music. Reeve and Cavill have their own iconic scores. Corrin, so great in his own way deserves his own. So this is what I differ. I differ. And I've always differed with this too. I think if James Bond can have his own theme song, Superman is iconic to have his own theme song.

I actually thought they didn't use it enough. I actually thought they didn't. I thought that they could have used it the same way they used it for Brandon Ralph. I like I loved Hans Zimmer's score but it worked well but I like the idea that this that theme by John Williams is the essence of what hope and you really feel it and you know it's Superman I just wish they would actually dove into it but I just I've never agreed with with people who have said that they Superman deserves his own theme because I think that was his team in the same way that James Bond like a Lord of the Rings Star Wars they have their they have their themes and it should feel like that they shouldn't shy away from it. they should embrace it. Yeah, I mean, I think of the Superman case, I have to disagree with you. I like them each having their own themes,

because I thought, as you said, the Hans Zimmer score was every bit as good at my thing in the Wayne's score for different reasons. Yeah, but like the way they overused it, Jurassic World Rebirth drove me insane. So I didn't feel that way here, though. I didn't mind the use it. But the score wasn't that great.

Yeah, they're part, it just didn't dive into it or enough. The Shane Arkell, that shot of him rising out of the dust after stopping that building calling on a woman is iconic. That was great. I wish I wouldn't have seen it in a scene and stuff. Oh, yeah. Rashad Green, what aspects of manistee would prefer over

Superman 22 and vice versa? I will say most of it. I like, and I understand for people who I think it's a very fair, I think that the tone for this is what I say, strangely enough, the tone for this Superman fits more of what the essence of Superman is. the character is for my personal tastes i like what we got in man of steel yeah everything christian

said everything christian said just the tone of it the approach to it to me the weight of it the grandiose nature of the story that's being told in man of steel just dwarfs uh superman but superman is absolutely right it is the essence of the it's it's a comic it is the it's a comic book movie yeah 100% dancing dog 60 love the hall of justice the halls of justice that's what marisol mckee and um and and adam collins wanted to call themselves oh wow yeah i grabbed the sides of my theater chair just almost squealed out loud because seeing the hall of justice in live action that was amazing love the halls of just super friends live uh nathan drake is there a legion of doom brother in the in the swamp that's what i want to animal and hawk uh so

Gunn did the fly keep the flying shot after all. He did. He did a version. It was a version of it. Yeah. And then Jen, Mattel, six, nine, they're going to bounce it back and forth. Not, not Jen, but YouTube, like, it'll show like the full YouTube names. It will show.

And that's so weird. I like Superman. For me, it was a solid B plus A. Preserve Reef is my Superman. Yes. But David Cornswight is the first one to come close. I didn't get what Jimmy's appeal with the lady was. He was probably had the hog of steel.

Hell. Yeah, I would assume. Um, but I love, I love that element of Jimmy being a lady's, he's funny. He's got good personality. He's got confidence. That's what it is. It's confidence. It's always confidence.

Always confidence. Callie Kidd, I went into Superman trailer's blind and I loved it. See, that's why I'm going to for a lot of different movies. I'm doing that not watching trailers like this are a lot of movies that I'm not going to be seeing trailers for them just going to jump into. Scott F. Horowitz is a member for a month. Unlike other mom and podcasts, we speak with. the British accent. Do they have British accents?

No. No. I don't know what that means. I know what that means. Yeah. They didn't have, they had southern accents. Yeah, it was a Kansas. What was the controversy about them? Oh, some people felt that they portrayed them as a yokels,

as bumpkins, and I don't think that's true at all. They're just, you know, they're simple people and not simple in the sense of being stupid. Simple. Simple and stupid. They're not complicated. They were farm people. Yeah. That's what I, that's how I saw them. I saw them. I grew up with people just like that in other Virginians. Yeah, they weren't, they weren't dummies.

Boy Wolfie, I'm totally into this new DC universe. It feels like James Gunn's knows what he's doing. Side note, really love the peacemaker came out. Oh, we didn't talk about that. There is too, I mean, there was obviously the Supergirl one. Peacemaker, I don't know, how, I said, how'd they get past, how did they get that past the hot mic? When I saw that, I was like, how'd they get that pass?

They went in, I love that. I love the way that they did that. Yeah, Jeff knew a lot of the stuff that was going to be in the movie. He just wanted. Yeah, we talked about off camera. Nice. Are you going to see and know what you did last summer, by the way? No, I have no interest in that.

No? No, I'm doing it for two reasons. One, I want to check out and see. I'm curious. And two, I want to support Freddie. Freddie who? Prince Jr. Oh, he's in it?

Oh, that's right. He's coming back. Scott F. Harwitz. I'm allowed. He did that one. And then, Shea, you brought that dog main? Terrific is hilarious. He was hilarious.

He was really good. He was one of the. the stand that's the whole thing he follows it up it's not his feet circles are flat so good the shay mark out love the scene with he and lois going back and forth about the complexities of international politics him leaning to think critically is a great choice yeah they gave him he had the most of development out of the three of those 100% sure it's your distraction the needle drop of the the noah and the whale song during the mr terrific scene took me out of it first but i've now come around to it no how about you which which song was that the record uh the uh needle drop when he has the

fight scene against all of Luther's people there at the camp with Lois under the dome. You know, I like that. It was a great. It was a very, again, a very James gun moment. It was, but yes, it was, it reminded me of like, no sleep through Brooklyn. Yeah. Ardian three. Yeah.

Django Blackfire. Superman was great. It was great. My only gripe is I wish they could have set things up with the plot. Sped more time developing Clark's character, messy plot. It was a little messy for sure. And I, and Clark's hardly even in it. It's all Superman.

Yeah, it is almost all Superman. I didn't disappear for large sections of John's going to speak on this because I didn't watch it. Trey Porter, thoughts on AEW All-In. It was my favorite wrestling show the weekend. Main event was worth the six hours. I was more invested emotionally than the mania 40 main event in the moment. I didn't pay for it.

I only watched the highlights afterwards. But yeah, it was pretty brutal main event there with Moxley and Paige. But I hear a lot of people are happy. But shout out sadly to Adam Cole, who had to put out in medical reasons. And there's rumors that he might be done. with wrestling period that's heartbreaking that's amazing shay markell you all remember i told you about a certain censorship in public theaters i didn't see a single kiss in the whole damn movie yeah that was great he told me that there where he is they banned like kissing and and intimacy inside of the

movie so they banned all the kissing scenes in the movie are we in america is he in america no he's not he's not oh okay uh jr ds avoid the new clip for fantastic four it gives away what galactus wants why does studio spoil spoil the movie so close to the opening. Marvel is notorious for this. Thank you for the warning. I won't watch that, too. Marvel is notorious for it. They give away so much and they haven't learned. They haven't learned. What is the purpose of that? I don't know. I think we're the, I think we're the minority on this, because they spoiled stuff in sinners and it still is killing at the box office. They spoiled some stuff for the Superman trailer and they kill, it's killing. It's still a week. I know. Maybe they think

that it's actually a big deal. Yeah. I know. Maybe you're right. Constantly inconsistent. The change to Jor L basically turns Clark into Goku from Dragon Ball Z, which he isn't. As a Dragon Ball Z fan, this kind of annoyed me a bit. I love the film. I mean, I don't know Dragon Ball Z enough, but I assume that Dragon Ball Z's parents, you know, sent them to go dominate, and he said, no, thank you. I would assume. I don't know Dragon Ball Z well, do you?

I just heard. Right. Shabota. You stick a ball of a sudden job. Michael D. 81. Loved Superman. going to a fourth viewing to know he loves the score score is phenomenal been playing last on and repeat all week such as stirring an uplifting team i have to go back i'll tell you why i'm

going to go back and listen before i give a full judgment on okay the reason why i don't judge scores outright anymore is because of rogue one i was notorious on hating road one score it was notorious on it thinking that for the job michael jikino came in like two weeks he did the score in like two weeks or something and then i wound up i don't know with the course i don't remember what it was we were doing or maybe you'd rewatch for Sith counts or something. I was like the score for Rogue One. Then I started listening to it and I really dug it. So I wait.

I wait before I give a judgment. Shea, I liked the movie, but I had a few issues. This Lex felt like a better version of what Jesse Eisenberg was supposed to be. He wasn't menacing to me. I think he was significantly better. Jesse Eisenberg didn't even seem like Lex Luther at all.

That was the Riddler playing Luther? Yeah, 100%. Right? How is he not menacing? You saw him shoot someone, an innocent man, point in the head with a gun yeah he was pretty maniacal i just like i said a little mustache twirling for me uh the scary villains to me have are the ones who really have like depth as far as like they

seem like he seemed like like he seemed like because nicholas holds so good he was great in it but he seemed like a cartoon villain well i don't think it was going to work if you put like a michael shannon zod in this type of movie that's right they made it work for this yes they did joel familia uh if superman doesn't pass 600 700 million wonder brothers will fast track world's finest and leave superman two in the dust. He would be loves monkey wrenching Batman in. I don't think that they're going to do a Superman too regardless right now for a bit.

I think that they're going to go Wonder Woman, Batman, and then do World's Finest. I think there's a very real possibility that after, that we're going to hear an announcement of World's Finest. And that's where they're going to introduce Batman. And from that they're going to do whatever Batman movie they're going to do. I think they will introduce them in World's Finest and then do a solo Batman movie. And I do believe that the numbers will let us know when they're going to be announced.

Timbino, Fantastic Four is being compared visually to Interstellar. That's crazy. Is it really? That's crazy. All right. Brandon, Buckeye 725. Not sure if this has been discussed yet. Are you guys concerned that we're getting Clayface before a Batman movie?

Could you imagine seeing the Penguin show before the movie? Well, there's some more details there. Thank you for that one, Brandon. can stop that real quick. Will the DC use Batman debut in Playface? You have details on that. So last month we learned that Welsh actor, Tom Reese Harris,

will play the lead character in Clayface, and will be based on the fall of the House of Usher, Mike Flanagan, with speaking of the director, James Watkins at the helm. Clayface was not among the projects announced by DC Studios, making it a surprise addition to Chapter 1. However, for James Gunn, it's all about story when it comes to DCU,

and this one fit the bill for James Gunn. Nexus point news has shared some additional details today, confirming that Clayface will evolve around Matt Hagan with the animation of his and Basil Carlos comic book backstory. Okay, there's a little bit more about that. I want to see if they see anything out. Unfortunately, it sounds like Clayface would be lacking connections to the wider DCU. As the site has learned, it will not feature any recognizable DC characters

and will consist of original characters. That means no Batman and likely no surprise appearances from the Dark Night Rose Galaxy. We can start, we can stop there. even though they write unfortunately there, I think this is the smart move. Yeah. Because it's a, what is it, like a $20,000 movie, a $40,000 movie that you can't guarantee

that it's going to do well. Yeah. And if you make, if you start putting this together, if you start putting this together, we're like, hey, you got to know what's going on in Clayface in order to know what's going on in DCU, that's when you start losing people and you start giving them homework to do. Oh, yeah, 100%.

I don't think you if you if you I said this way back when it was announced like there's no way they're using Clayface to backdoor introduce Batman that makes no sense you can't so if if there's a shot of Batman it'll be like we saw in Creature

Commandos it'll be a shadow on the wall at the end of the movie and then poof or a post-credit scene and you're off but no if they use if they introduce Batman through Clayface that just is no what they can do what what they can do and what can't do what they can't do is exactly what john just said you can't debut batman inside of a movie

that maybe now everyone's going to see what you can do is put clay face in a future batman movie yes and he can be the same actor then you go who's that you're like oh he's got his own standalone movie he does i don't go back and watch that uh buster barns i think 600 million is fine only because the overall positive reviews if it was more mixed i'd be worried for the future under 500 would be bad i agree yeah actly 72 i watch Superman with my kids. I loved it. I noticed they were lost in the first half, but loved crypto. And that's probably what they held them on with was the dog. Also, Christian, you still need to check out Taskmaster. Jason Masuka's on. He keeps telling me about this Taskmaster thing.

I don't know if I'll ever get to it, but it's fresh in my mind. Shea, I bet Supergirl will be an awesome movie. I feel her film will give audiences the moody darkness that some fans liked about Manist Diel and are missing here. Hey, if that's the case, I could wind up like in this better than Superman. maybe so yeah maybe so buster barns do you think jason momo's lobo will be marketed heavy for supergirl yes struggling to see how supergo makes more than superman even it's amazing it won't make more than superman but the question is how much is it cost hmm we might make more than superman so depending on the cost but maybe not numbers wise i see you're saying like basically it'll be more of a success than superman right depending on how much it cost to make right shame arkell the tetris river kind of took me out

second what Tetris river when they're the sun when he's saving his son in the river there right right right okay universe right um Nathan Drake did Snyder love Superman let me answer this before you've been answer anything I because I haven't seen it all I haven't seen it all he hated right no he gave it a B did he really yes he liked some of it we're gonna we're gonna talk about it tonight at 5 p.m. busy live on the channel I did it our review but yes he he he liked it for the most part not not overall but John hang tight because you're right now you're kicking ass ready. You go 128. 128?

I don't grab a drink. I was so thirsty. Let's get this one and then you go, you go grab a three. It'll take me 30 seconds. That's fine. Caesar 9-2-9. Roka what? The hippies and the knives and a pistol with clear intentions to kill Brad Pitt. Mikey Madison came running at him to stab him. Yeah. And how scary were those people? Very.

You know what they were? There were three people who were working the register at a Trader Joe's going, what happened? What happened? That's what they were. They were so. non-threatening that he used a can of baked beans to take one of them out and had a dog. Don't get a drink you, hippie. All right. Danny Allen, they need this new cinematographer.

Well, I mean, I don't think so. I think that, you know, James Gunn uses that guy. I think he's all the time. I think he's a pretty good job with the other ones. You don't like the way that was shot? Lee Masters, hey, Christian and Roker, is your level of excitement for Fantastic Four, the same or higher after,

seeing Superman, I guess you mean, right? Do you still think Fantastic 4 will outperform Superman? So I'm assuming that's what that's what this question is. I think that it's, is our level of excitement for Fantastic 4 are the same or higher, I guess after seeing Superman? I guess that's what that means. Do you still think that Fantastic 4 outperforms Superman? Yes, I do. Yeah. Level of excitement. I never really had a huge level of excitement for Fantastic 4. It was always, the last trailer was the one where I said, oh, I actually kind of want to see this movie now. But I never had, I never really cared as much. So it very well could be that out of those, the three, I thought it was going to be,

I would like Superman the best, Fantastic Force, Second, Jurassic, the big three that are come out in July, right? As far as the comic book movies, I always thought I would like Thunderbolts number one as far as quality. I was like Superman and then Fantastic Four. Right now, I still, I'm, I still like Thunderbolts better than Superman as far as an overall movie goes. As far as story as far as story goes as far but we'll so we'll see we'll see Okay, what's next? Yeah, and that is Danny Allen Superman equals what's your but John what about you? You're your your your your hyper fantastic for still there? Yeah, I'm high for I'm not the biggest fan I didn't collect comics or anything like that but I like the cast so I am excited to see what they're gonna do the Galactus thing is what sold me. That's what I want to see so yeah, I'm excited

So someone said I oh didn't win against Rio well then how did why did uh why did naomi pin io that doesn't make sense i know yeah uh superman equals batman forever of superman franchise um maybe they both got hurt or something and maybe she came in and couldn't io yeah but you can only pin the champion to get the belt yeah was the belt not on the line no i'm saying maybe the belt was but maybe i don't know i didn't see this stupid um all right so let's see dany allen superman equals batman forever of the superman franchise. Wow. Damn. Okay. That's harsh. Yeah, that's harsh. Part one of Sam Man Season 2 Slaps, Part 2, Here We Come. Yeah. I was enjoying that. I don't know why I just bailed

out of it, but I was enjoying for what I watched. The Callie Kid 4360 came a YouTube member. Thank you, Callie Kid. Again, good time for people to become a member. Luke Flywalker. I know you guys didn't care much for Supergirl, but I enjoyed it. I think John, I liked it. I liked it. But I enjoyed the payoff with crypto being a bad dog joke, not quite as pointless as most scamme as we see. Yeah, I mean, look, I didn't address that. I thought that works. She's such an asshole. That's why he's such an asshole. The dog, yeah, 100%. The dog slamming her into the ground causing those. That was hilarious. And she's laughing our ass off as he's doing it too. That part was, I didn't have a problem with that.

Betball, most of the top stars in WWE are near 40. Why make break loose to, why make Braun Breaker lose to Cody when he's 27? One to two years of an earned push. Well, you missed what we said. We didn't say Cody. We didn't say John Cena. We said he's got to go for the main title. We got to find a way to get that belt off Gunther and then get it to him. Yeah. Shea Markell, still on my old movie marathon. I can't agree with Jeremy Renner and Idris Albaugh are main characters in 28 weeks later.

Me either. You just said that. And someone else said this recently about, about an old boy, the remake with Josh Brolin. Yeah, but Elizabeth Olson. I didn't really close to oldson was in it. They said, I can't wait to see 28 years. That's another one. Did you, I forget, did you like that movie or hate that movie?

I thought it was okay. I didn't think it was that great. I'm in your already. I like that movie. Yeah, here's the thing. Shea Markell, I'm going to slap you in the face if you ever say 28 weeks later is an old movie, an old movie. Okay. Shea.

I'll be in L.A. on August 10th after the live show. I need to work, which my live show might. She, I hope, I hope you know that I'm not going to be. I hope you know my life show is not in L.A. I think he said after the live show. I know, but it's on August 9th. But my life show is I don't live in LA anymore.

Any tourist recommendations for me? I'll tell you if you like sushi, there's a great sushi place in Beverly Hills called You and Me, Y, U and M. Oh, yeah. It's delicious. Yes. My favorite places. I love that place.

I'd say go there. Sushi. It's so good. It's so good. All right. Put gum in now. I'm way past the morning. Have a blast.

Buckeye. R-I-Ped Yoga Jota. Yeah. It's so sad. I hate that. 134 John 134 these are the new trailer for one battle after another was attached to Superman Christian you're going to love the movie

if you like PT Anderson Leo is back I that was I think that was on my most anticipated for the top 10 I'm looking for that so good yeah uh Aram Lex with the rage bait ugly dog with a cape that scene was played pretty well also I thought I did too and I was able to ignore the fact that he's got super hearing and didn't hear what Lex said two seconds away from his face. That's a good point. Because it worked.

The scene worked. He was angry. He was working with rage. Ryan Ferris, while on topic of Superman, what are your thoughts on the MLB All-Star game tomorrow? The one without Soto? Any thoughts?

Let's go Mets. Did you see what Soto did? I'm so glad that he didn't sign with the Yankees. I know, dude. Did you see what he did? They asked him why. First of all, I'll say this. The guy should have made the All-Star team.

He's not having a great season, but he should. It should have been, I mean, come on. But what does it say that, A, the fans didn't vote him in, B, the players didn't vote him in. That should tell you enough right there. Then when they ask him about it, what does he say? He goes, oh, there's a lot of course I care. A lot of money left on the table. A guy who's making $8 billion cares about $100,000 that he's going to make on it. I mean, that's all he cares about is money. Some people never have enough man. That's why there's no world that guy's ever going to amount to anything. He's the next A-Rod. He's a red. he's Arod. He's going to probably, if he's lucky, he's going to win as many championships as Arod does, but he's not a legacy player. I'm so glad he's gone. The Yankees are so much better without him.

What's the sports movie with people, people admire athletes and admire money. Yeah. Like that. Something like that. It's so, I mean, it's, it was gross when he said that. Ryan Parrish, jokes aside, I love soups, full circle ending with the parents' slideshow had me holding back tears. Oh, yeah.

Let's come back. That part was good. That part was good. Busy B. There she is. A busy Hey Christian and Roka, happy Monday. Catching the live late today, but wanted to send some support. Enjoy Roka's live stream yesterday. Yeah, John's been going live. He's got a new show out there too.

He's been doing, yeah, that show's doing good. It means a lot to me because I'm taking a chance to do those early mornings and I'm always worried. Am I, is it going to be enough or if you're going going to like it? So thank you, Busy Bee for being kind enough to send a compliment. Pietzky. Curious if the OG cut was closer to 150. Seems like Malik's desk seemed like they were intended to be more impactful. There was a rumor that they,

cut out more they cut out some you know so i wonder if maybe there's a little bit more detail that was that was cut out which malick yeah oh um so let's say oh you mean the guy oh that they were gonna do more of the back story with him and superman yeah yeah that's fair that's fair there's and i think there has to be more with hawk girl because i mean her coming out of the shower clean you know washing her right place we've never seen her uh metamorphosis right yeah there's more sitting next to him there was absolutely there was 20 more Yeah, Excalibur. Rewatch every Superman.

I still can't find Mr. Fantastic. For people who didn't know in my, in my review, I was calling him Mr. Fantastic. Did I saw Mr. Fantastic again today? No, I haven't told it. I haven't been correct. Terrific. But yeah, I called it in my non-spoiler, I think I called him Mr. Fantastic, but I've been better in calling Mr. Terrific. Crashin Coyote.

What if Clayface gets Oscar nominated? No chance, because it has nothing new with that. It's what horror movie. has been nominated for special effects man yeah maybe Joey Pedrus love talking writing from a writing perspective how would you rate just the writing of the film i thought it was one of james guns weakest as far as writing goes i agree that i thought the plot was a little um all over the place so i would say the writing was there were some parts that were great there were some parts that were a little messy it wasn't as good as his his other scripts yeah yeah busy b and the two team boys

what happened equals accurate throw me nuts these are if a hippie came running me with a knife i'd shit my pants so would you roka we're not brad pitt christian you're showing hollywood to sam when we yeah okay listen here small balls i i what do you call the guy a name for hey i certained the army for eight years i'll quite happily handle anyone running at me with a knife you'd still be scared scared right right there's not shit money all right um but the answer to that season i'm i tell you to small balls, but I think that there is a

there's a good chance. I'll show her that movie too. I don't know how many Tarantino movies she's seen, but there'll be a good chance. Key JX, why is Superman so scared of crypto dressed in armor? Because he's Crypto Knight. Nice. There you go. I like it. I like Joe Hendo. Do you guys feel like Ultraman was pretty much their version of

Bizarro Superman? Yeah, I think that's where ultimately that's going to go. That's where it's going to go. Yeah. Buckeye. Which character's storylines are you most interested seem being exported in the DCU. For me, it's the Green Lanterns and all that lore. I want to see that show, that Leonard's show. Yeah, but I don't think it's going to be fantastical, like some people are hoping. It's been a true detective.

They said it's going to be grounded. So we're not going to have guardians of OAA and weird stuff happening. You know what I'll agree with you in this, John, even though you said you didn't say it. I think moving forward, James Gunn, I think he did his job. I think he launched it. Hmm. I think he pulled back and you don't direct one for a long time. Let other people direct right now.

Good luck. Good luck with his ego that he won't want to direct. I know. But I think you let other people direct. You produce, you be hands-on producer. You tell which way you want to go. You'd be the Kevin Feigy now and help us get to our vision. But you don't, I think you try.

I know, but you try to pull back. I think he's going to direct world's finest. I think so. Probably. Unheard's sirens, groproper. Punk rocker, yes, I am. I love that. It was good.

Watching the acolyte. All right. And that's it for now. Good luck. All right. John, you have 137. Wow. Pretty damn good. Everybody is very kind.

Pretty damn good. I'm excited about that. So, all right, we'll see. The Rock's is going to have a tougher time because I got two screenings tomorrow. John, I'm going to see two.

Wish me luck. What are you going to the second one? So tomorrow I'm going to be, as soon as I get back from the gym, jumping on the live stream, but I'm probably going to have to cut it early. I have to be in the city by five to see the Smurfs movie. Oh, God.

Yeah. I'm going to that one too. I'm going to both. They're at the same theater. And then I'm got and then it's like five o'clock is the Smurfs and then right into Smurfs as I know you did last summer. So it's like, it's like boom, boom. I'm going to hit two of them. I'm going to be exhausted.

So there you go. So guys, thank you for being here. John, where can I find you? You can always find me at the road. What happened? You can find me at the at the Rook says on Twitter, Instagram and TikTok, the Outlaw Nation on Twitch. my YouTube channel, YouTube.com slash John Roker says, remember 5 p.m. PT Live the hot mic, come join us.

Thank you. Don't run away yet. I got two more that jumped in Excalibur said. I thought I figured it out. Watch fantastic Mr. Fox. Superman isn't here. How dare you, sir? And then finally, I am Jackson.

I think I had a question about sound mix that was missed. If not, have a good one. Did I miss that long? I don't know. If we did, I'll look for it. I'll look for it. I'll look for it. I'm going to let John get out of here.

He's been here for a little long. Thank you guys. Appreciate it. Let me see. I am Jacks. because there's something about, I thought I caught them all, but if I missed it, and you know, there's another one actually. Someone put in one about the other day.

That was a spoiler. And here it is. This is from Bulldog 3107 that I said I would read. And it's the clone getting sent into the black hole looks like a way for him to come back in later films as bizarreo thoughts. So yeah, we talked about that today. And yes, I do think that is the case. I think you're going to bring him back as bizarre.

Jacks, I can't find that one. I'm not sure. So, yeah, let me, it's real quick. You know, just throw it in the regular chat. I'll see if I can highlight it. But I don't know what you asked. I'm sorry. But I do want to make sure, again, that people know we have the Loki thing up.

I put that up today because tomorrow, like I mentioned, I have two out of the theater reactions. They have two reviews coming out. And then Friday we'll have Loki season two episodes three and four. We should finish up that season by next week. and then I'm trying to think with the other things. Yeah, I'm trying to give you guys updates. Once I find out, as soon as I get an answer back from the director that has it, if they like it, if they dig it, then we'll be moving pretty quick.

If they pass, I have to, I'll be out to other directors. So I'll let you know. But we're moving. We're shaking, trying to do some things. So I hope you guys are enjoying everything that we're doing here. And that's it. So what's the timetable for the Kickstarter? That's pretty much what that's my timetable right now.

I just got to figure out what what pieces are in place. But the script is done. Well, the first draft of it is done. And that's it. So anyway, I'm trying to see if there's another one here. I am Jacks. No, I didn't see it.

But if I find it again, I am Jacks. If I find it over tomorrow, I'll try to run it. But thanks for being here. I really appreciate you. Apple Podcasts, Spotify, anywhere podcasts are found. Thank you for John Roker. Thank you for all you guys. Appreciate you guys.

We'll see you on the flip side. Peace out. Master. Perfect.