The Kristian Harloff Show - SUPERMAN IS COMING?! THE ROCK TEASES THE RETURN OF THE MAN OF STEEL | The Big Thing

Episode Date: October 11, 2022

Black Adam is coming up soon. The Rock has been doing a ton of press regarding the film and he seems to be leaning into the inevitable return of Superman. It has been rumored for quite a while but it seems that Dwayne Johnson is giving the soft confirms that we will see Cavill soon. There have been reports that Cavill has signed on to play Superman in more films soon so this could be just the marketing strategy at this point. This, Quantum Leap doing well, The Last of Us Stars don't play the game, Fear TV show and new Austin Powers? This and the return of Andrew Fried as myself, Andrew and Brett Sheridan discuss Dahmer and why there is this fascination for this type of stuff. #superman #henrycavill #dahmer #therock Thanks to Carbon Health for sponsoring this episode! http://www.carbonhealth.com ATHLETIC GREEENS: athleticgreens.com/BIGTHING MYBOOKIE: http://www.mybookie.ag CODE: BIG THING AMAZON WISHLIST: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/1KPH42T0TP0PG?ref=cm_sw_em_r_un_un_djbxgIW5ZQMMg PATREON: http://www.patreon.com/thebigthingshow SCHMOEDOWN ARCHIVE CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheMovieTriviaSchmoedownArchives Ask Kristian questions for next time! https://facebook.com/harloff Become a Patreon of the Schmoedown: http://patreon.com/schmoedown OTHER GREAT CONTENT: REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT368qY7sfE0nKE4c04CqGvu TV REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT1LU-t2Z9AD5UJDiWW4pS_E STAR WARS SHOW https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT0XmfpbblkF9PY7uO2qhbN6 THE BIG THING PODCAST https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT3KAwbzDsv6mdR-gwUiydQg FOLLOW KRISTIAN + FIND HIM ON CAMEO https://cameo.com/kristianharloff https://twitter.com/kristianharloff https://facebook.com/harloff https://instagram.com/kristianharloff Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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So I wanted to get that out. Also, a lot of the things to talk about. We got a lot to talk about today. So we're going to talk about it. The Rock's been on the tour, man, promoting Black Adam. It seems to have, heavily, heavily been really promoting Henry Cavill. And with all the news with Superman. getting his own movies with Warner Brothers and all of that seems to be pretty inevitable.

That's going to happen. Obviously, that's why the thumbnail has Superman Black Adam on it. Because I think it's going to happen. I think everybody knows it's going to happen at this point. And especially with the Rock confirming it in an interview, more or less, he's confirming it as well, telling people go check out the freaking movie, because that's going to happen, I assume. So that's going to, that's a big story.

there's other things going to happen inside of the news that we'll get into. We know that that movie smiles doing really well. Also, people who are excited about Quantum Leap. I was a big fan of the original. I never saw the new one, but it's getting more episodes. There's some photos of the new boys. New Boy season. Last of Us Stars, they didn't play the video game.

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And we talk about everything. One of the things we really talk about is this fascination with, like, how popular that Dahmer series is. And how we get, and not to discredit any of the performances, I'm sure they're awesome, but how we get, how do you bring yourself to watch it, you know, knowing that it's real. And the same thing, like true crime and all that stuff. It's like, why do we get so fascinated by that stuff? We have a really long conversation about it. So I want to, I'm very curious to get everybody's thoughts when that comes around,

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Superman, Black Adam, right? I think everybody kind of knew it from the Comic-Con thing, that everyone thought Henry Cavill's coming in, the relationship that Henry Cavill, I think that Henry Cavill and Rock's ex-wife, Danny Garcia, I believe. they have the same publicist or the same manager, something along the lines like that. They know each other well. And The Rock has been friends with Henry Cavill for a while. This was taken,

but this picture alone was taken back in like 2016. They've been talking for a long time. So this was inevitable that he was going to come back. And the Rock, the way he's just been teasing it, talking about it. Even when you go into the Super Pets show that they have that relationship, Superman, Black Adam, Superman's dog.

It's like, it's working up on it. And the, and I said this the other day, I remember I said a few different days, a few different days. I think the Warner Brothers, Hall H mistake at Comic-Con,

was not just saying it was a Black Adam and Shazam panel. That was their biggest mistake. I know that inside of it, when you read the description, it said featuring the Warner Brothers stuff and a heavy presence on Black Adam and Shazam, but it didn't say,

say that so Warner Brothers resents. You should have just said Black Adam and Shazam because there were too many expectations on it. The expectations that Henry Cavill was going to be there was not Warner Brothers' fault at all, at all. And they weren't even supposed to be there. I think it was like a last minute thing over the last. I think that from what I heard is that Rock really wanted to be there, obviously he showed up in the costume and he's probably, he's excited about this movie, as he should be. He's been working on it for years. And if these rumors and speculation and all that is true. And now the, you know, the reports that Henry Cavill is going to come back,

Superman have his own movie, why wouldn't you want to promote it all over the place and put it out there and get excited about it? And he's doing all, and he's a promotional machine. You see, I mean, you always know when the Rock has a movie out because Rock's got a strong social presence in general, right? But like when he's got a movie out, you can't turn without seeing him. And that's the way, because he gives good sound bites, and he knows how it works overall. Like you look at whether it's,

I can't remember the dude who's got the, who has that clip right now that's going viral, that Rock's basically said, Black Adam is this force that is the most powerful thing on this planet, but the most powerful thing in the universe has been tucked away for the last three years, and the guy gets all excited, and he's like, yes,

kind of confirming that. Rock's confirming Superman, right? And then our buddy Chris Van Bleet has him talking about, like wrestling, He's talking about Roman Reigns and acknowledging Roman Rains the head of the table and that clip goes out. The Rock knows the sound bites and what to say

because he knows, even when he's talking about wrestling, well, what's he talking about? He's talking about wrestling. What's he talking about wrestling for? Well, he's doing press. For what? Black Adam. Oh, he knows.

He's much of a businessman as he's a performer. So he promotes these things and he knows. And he knows everyone knows Superman is going to be involved in this thing one way or another, he knows it. He's paying attention to what people are saying. So it's not really a surprise anymore. It's inevitable. And the question is, what's the direction and how are they going to do it?

Is the main thing that I want to know. Because I think that I love Man Osteel. I do. I love that movie. The question is, do they, what I think that they made the big mistake of is they went straight into Batman v. Superman, and they didn't give Superman his second movie. They didn't give Ben Affleck's first movie. That's the way they should have built that out.

They tried too quick to do this big massive event right now, and they shouldn't have done that. They should have built into it, and you would have gotten there eventually. But I hope that they do something where they give it, whether it's a proper, if it's a man-still sequel or a spin-off or a different type of thing, don't do the Black Adam versus Superman thing right away. Let Superman have his own movie again and build to it. if that's the case. And how many movies are I get him for?

So smart move by, and I'll give him a Zazel off on this one. Smart move if he locked them in. That's how you got to do it. You got to get Henry Cabell back. That's going to bring a lot of people onto your side. And you sign him for a bunch of deals. And depending on if he shows up in Black Adam or not, how they're going to do that and how they're going to make that work,

I think he'll show up. but how who knows whether it's in the movie i doubt it probably a post-credit scene if i was going to guess um but either way how i don't want it to be comedic you know like i want it to feel and i want it to be memorable and it doesn't seem like you're going to get a comedic scene inside a black adam but like i don't know very curious i think it's a good move though and you see how excited he's getting how excited other people get about it and is a good way to get buzz for this movie. And I think because of it,

I think Black Adam's going to do very well because of the inclusion of the Superman stuff. That's another reason why the Rock is so smart. He knows. Not that the Black Adam wouldn't have done well, but I think it'll do even better now because people are going to be like, oh, man, Henry Cavill, the Superman going to appear in this thing? I go check it out. Even if he's in it for five minutes,

I think it's going to get people into the theater. Even if he's in it for 30 seconds, he's going to get people into the theater. Because I can guarantee if the movie is awesome, and then you tag it or Superman shows up, it becomes extra awesome. If the movie's just okay, and you tag it with Superman, you put Superman in it, it becomes awesome. So, smart. Very smart in general. I think it's a good move.

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Jessica Goldberg is set to her, I don't know how this works. Alyssa Milano, William Peterson, and Amy Brennaman co-star. Oh, no, no, I thought they were going to be in it. I don't know. I mean, like I said, many times over. If it's written well, produced well, directed well, acted well, could be awesome. You could do one of those things like,

who the hell knew the fear series is going to be the best show on TV? It just doesn't, it's just not something that I'm like, I'm going to wait for to hear about her from Roxy, you know, when she's doing her TV segments on Thursday. And she says, look, I don't watch fear. I mean, look, she's telling me to watch the patient. I still haven't watched it. I want to surprise her, though.

I want to try to watch it by Thursday, the patient, at least a few of them. so I can tell that I watched them. We'll see. But the fear, I don't know. I don't know if I wanted. The movie was good, and it was a cheesy late 90s movie.

Silly at times. But a TV show. Like, I guess at that point, what do you need to call it fear for? I mean, it's not like fear is like this massive, it was a big enough hit. But is it one of those? Oh, dude, they're doing a fear series.

I don't know. Probably have a better chance to do in a scripted fear factor series at this point. Fear. I don't know. Weird IP to jump off of it. But again, I could be wrong. I'm not sure. I'm going to shit on it yet.

I don't know. I've got to see it. But for me, I'm not that excited. I don't know. You guys, this shot here, this is from the boys. Two new characters from the boys, the new season. which is easily one of my favorite shows on television. Absolutely.

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It's exciting. I think to me it's more exciting the fact that it's just I know that we got more peeps coming. We got more peeps coming and we got a show coming. Next year is going to be crazy, man. Talked about that on Thursday. What the hell was that? I don't even know anymore. Talked about all the movies.

I think it was Thursday. Talk about all the movies that are coming out and all the TV shows that are coming out. Not only do you have the boys season four coming out next year. You got the Mandalorian. You got Asoka. You got Secret Invasion. You got the, I think the Penguin series is coming out.

I don't know. A lot of good stuff. A lot of good stuff. So that's interesting. I was going to talk about, I made Quantum Leap. I don't know. Does anybody watching Quantum Leap, the new one? I don't, is it any good?

They, they, they order up the show's original 12, extending it to 18. So I guess it's doing well enough. It's become the Falls TV season's number one new show in the 18 to 49 demographic and the top NBC series on Peacock. I guess it's doing pretty good. It's got Ernie Hudson in it, so that's a sell for me. It's got his fourth episode tonight. Should I check it out? Who's watching Quantum Leap?

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Please. Is it worth it? Is it worth it? I don't know. Let's see. Curtis, Jamie Lucas, a freaky Friday sequel. I guess I'm making every. I mean, you know, throw everything against the law.

At this point, at this point, you know, you can put everything out there. I mean, Hocus, Pocus got a sequel 30 years later. Jamie Lee Curtis has revealed that she has already written to Disney in regards to doing a follow-up to 2003's version of Freaky Friday. Curtis starred opposite Lindsay Lohan. The remake managed to, oh, did they? Oh, right, at the time, I made $160 million worldwide, appearing on The View to promote Halloween ends.

Ask her she'd pitch Disney about a freaky sequel. She said, I've already written to them. Our friends at Disney, I'm in their new Haunted Mansion movie. They are. He is. She is. Excuse me. Let me be the grandma.

Let me be the old grandma who switches places. So then Lindsay gets to be the sexy grandma who's still happy with Mark Harmon and all the way as you would. Okay. It's a perfect Disney Plus movie. It wouldn't be a theater movie at this point. It's a perfect Disney Plus movie.

If they can make Hocus Pocus too, how'd that movie do? I don't even know. Not sure. Let's see what else I really talk about here. Oh, yeah. We'll bring this up. I think this is the, where is it?

The next one. You know, the Red Notice is going to get a sequel. I didn't love Red Notice. There's probably, this is another thing, as I mentioned earlier, though. The Rock out there promoting, I guarantee it was the Rock that said something about what's happening with this, because he's out there doing interviews. So that would make sense. They're probably talking about that.

Red Notice, Jumanji sequel. Yeah, it's got to be the Rock, obviously, if it's both of those. With the press rounds for Black Adam begun, those involved are starting talking of the film, more importantly, other projects that they're working on. Bo Flynn, along with Haram Garcia, are producers on many of Dwayne Johnson's blockbusters of the past near decade. So I was wrong. I wasn't speaking with Collider.

They were the ones that say, we have read Notice 2 script and then Red Notice 3. Plan is, hopefully if Heron and I have our way, we would make those movies back to back. But it's got to be the script and how we feel and how Dwayne, Gal, and Ryan feel about them. But that franchise is a blast, and obviously Netflix wants it. Yeah, and then they talked about how it cost over $200 million.

Jumangi 3 is definitely going to happen. Obviously, Jake Kasden is directing Red 1, so right now he's working on that. We'll see both of those movies. I think that's a guarantee. I really loved, as I was reading that, I was wondering, did I ever see Jamongy 2? I feel like I did? Did I? I don't know if I ever saw the second one.

I saw the first one. I definitely saw the first one. And I love the first one. Well, obviously not the first one with Robin Williams, but the first one with Dwayne Johnson. I might not have ever seen the second one. I don't think I did. I never did. Holy shit.

Huh. Any good? Look, I'm talking to you today. I'm asking you guys. The two major fucking questions that you need to answer, put everything down, put that bowl of spaghetti down, and I want to know right now, should I be watching Quantum Leap? That's part one. And part two.

Should I see Jumanji 2 with the Rock? And did I see it? First of all, did I see it? I want you to tell me if I saw it. Let me know, because I can't remember. And I'm so damn old that I can't remember. I should definitely be watching Quantum Leap. And the truth is, I probably watched the first four episodes in Quantum Leap,

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I guess Mike Meyer said he would be up for Austin Powers. A new one. Okay. I mean, I mean, I can only imagine. Mike, he was doing the press for Amsterdam, disappointment. But he said, I don't have anything to announce. I can neither confirm or deny. existence over non-existence of such a project? Yeah, I'd love to do it. Of course. It's fun.

I have three kids under the age of 11. I've been super, super busy being dad. I'll see what I can do, Jimmy Fallon. I think he was talking to Jimmy Fallon about it. Yeah, at this point, bring them back. And it's the same answer to everything. Streaming opens up a world. Like, if Mike Myers is like, hey, Netflix, I want to do Austin Powers. How does Netflix not do an Austin Powers movie? How does Amazon not do an Austin Powers movie? Like, that's a difference now. with back then. I remember like back in the day, I remember like when they were, when Stallone was trying to get

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No chance. Now it's like, even if a movie didn't do great on this last one, it's like if Stallone, If this is 90, if the stream, streaming was the way that it was now, Stallone does that movie and says, hey, I want to do Rocky 6, they're going to go, I'll tell you what,

we can't do it in the theater, but we'll put it on, we'll put it on prime. We'll put it on wherever he's, he's working with a lot of a pound plus, whatever. We'll put it, we'll put it wherever you want. We'll do a Rocky 6, do it for a lesser budget, and we'll,

and that's it. And that would happen today, because it's IP. and Austin Powers will happen. If Mike Myers wants to do it, might not come out in the, unless it's, but there's also people, and I'm not saying Mike Myers' way, but there's also people that will not budge

unless it's a theater movie. And I think those people are, some of them are silly sometimes. I don't know if, I don't know if Austin Powers movie for the studio is worth trying to get out into the theater. Because right now, it's not a short bet like it used to be,

comedies in the in the summertime right it's like this there's aren't the movies that pop big in in theaters right now it's like look at smile smile is just destroying but it's like the horror movies that do well still you want to be sky i bet you Halloween ends does very well i bet you does very well in the theater um but yeah and then it's the superhero movies and the big budget IPs and those things so i i think awesome power should come out on streaming but we'll see Um, before you throw to that interview with Andrew, this is, here it is. This is The Last of Us. And this is that interview.

I don't know. Somebody asked the stories that they played the game and people like, no, we didn't play. And I don't know if people are up in arms or not about it. But this was Bella Ramsey, who plays the female lead of Ellie in the show, so she was encouraged not to play the game upon the first season of the show. It was heavily based on. She says, after my first audition, they kept saying, have you played it? And I said, no.

And they said, keep it that way. I did watch some of the game play. though on YouTube just to get a sense of it, but I'm so excited for it to come out. It was such a big part of my life. I shot it for a whole year, and it's quite a long time when you've only lived for 19 years. The actress best known for her work in Game of Thrones. Most recently, oh, she, I didn't realize, is that? Oh, yeah, I just look at her right away.

Didn't pick that up until right now. Looking at the picture, I know exactly who she played on Game of Thrones. Stupid asshole, me. Anyway, so the actresses best known for her work in Game of Thrones, most recently seen in Lena Dumb's new film. Catherine called Bertie says her co-star shared a moment with her once they wrapped together.

Pedro Pascall wrote a little card to me and said, how interesting that something so huge and life-changing could happen so early in your life and so late in mind. I thought it was a really sweet observation I had the best time. Pascal has also said he hadn't played the source material, only briefly watching his nephew play it for a brief time, and admittedly found it visually impressive. I mean, I hope nobody gets upset about that.

Who cares? And what I liked, I liked her answer. I watch some of the stuff on YouTube, some of the story stuff. That's more so that I would want to know. Do you know the story? Did you pay attention to any of the stories? Do you know the bits? And it was saying to Pedro Pascal.

It's like, did he know it? Did he not? I think it's more about, and again, I'm not, I've never played last of us. So I'm not going to be as critical as someone who's like a hardcore fan. And this doesn't take anything from those people who played it because you're invested for a reason. So you have the right to be critical on it, right? It might not be the show you thought it was, or it might be exactly the show you thought it was going to be.

But I don't think that the fact that those two actors didn't play it at all should detract your excitement for it. It should be like, if you're looking into it, you should say, okay, I couldn't even tell because it didn't really matter. Does it matter? Joel, I think, is the character's name. I've heard it enough. So Joel, if he lands and nails the character of Joel

in the way that it felt in the game. Are you going to care? I don't think so. All right. Listen, we have a lot more to talk about. This is going to be a long supersized episode today. Andrew Fried, producer of Chef's Table Pizza, Chef's Table, Cheer. We need to talk about Cosby, Val.

Welcome to Rex. The list goes on and on and on. Myself and Brett Sheridan have known him for a very long time. He had so much fun on the podcast the last time. He came to my birthday dinner, and he was like, hey, I want to do it again. I was like, well, I got a spot next week. You're going to come in? He's like, yeah, let's do it.

So he came in. So that's it's what you're about to see. The rest of the episode is going to be us goofing around, having a good time. I hope you enjoy it. There you go. All right. You guys, you heard him last time. You loved them.

And why wouldn't you? He is the one and the only. Brett Sheridan. What's up, buddy? Hey. See, see, you like that set up? Did I get you on that one? I got you.

Andrew Fried is back, everybody. I'm back. Nice to have you back. Nice to have you back. Thanks. Oh, nice to be back. Thank you.

Look at us. We talked about it. We had it. So we had a nice little birthday dinner last week and we sat down at a tiramisu by myself. I was the youngest of the three of us there. I don't think you and I were probably the oldest. Is that true? Oh, no.

Three of us. Oh, yes. I'm the youngest. I'm the youngest. You're the youngest. Yeah, that's true. That's true. That is true.

I'm rarely in rooms where I'm the youngest. You got it now. So we started talking. We started talking about the podcast, and you said how much fun you had last time. So we said, let's do it. Yeah, I love it. So I wanted to ask, what's that?

I wasn't here with Brett. Yeah. It wasn't. It was Kate last time. And so we traded out the Kate and Brett show. We have one port. We have the other half. We have the better half.

Yeah, I missed my show today because of you. That's true. Yeah. Yeah. Isn't that nice? Or maybe I was moving to television. I don't know. Yeah.

Let me ask you. A lot of work going on in the studio since I've been here. What do you think about the studio? So many changes. You like? I love it. Yeah. It's like it's profesh.

Yeah, and you said that we need a mirror. Well, I was just suggesting that on the way in, when people are getting ready to be on camera, am I sitting in the right place? Should I be a little bit more center? Your center, hold on. Okay. Because I liked where I was.

He just made you not center again. I liked where I was. See, I can't. You see, there you go. Perfect. Okay, good. We're doing it right. Yeah, this is great.

But yeah, when you're walking in to be on camera, A mirror for your last looks might be a nice feature. I think it works. I like that. A little self-conscious. It makes sense. And I think that because what we started doing, it's coming up like portion by portion.

It's as this part of the wall is now done and it's starting to come along. We have a couch over there. And then we started looking at that wall. We were looking at that wall going. Eventually we'll get to it. Now we've made it. It's like that portion of the video game that we've made. We're at that wall.

You're going to color it a nice yellow, not a mustard yellow. No, no, it's called sale. Okay. Sale. You're not going to replicate the fake brick. How do you know it's fake? The turquoise. You don't like my turquoise wall?

Look at it. Yeah, no, it works. Andrew said I was going to get sued by the artist. I didn't say that. I just wondered if you've done anything for the painter of the Paiomai. You want to know the honest answer behind that? Is that I bought it? And I said, you know, I really love what this guy did.

And I couldn't tell you for the life of me who did it. I have to go back and look through my email. It's the honest answer. Yeah. It's a good answer, right? Yeah, well, not really. I said in the beginning of the intro that this Dahmer show is doing so well. And before I ask you your opinion on why that is,

I have another Netflix question that I wanted to ask. I think we talked about briefly when you were here, but I don't remember. So Netflix does. As you know, bulk. Chef's table pizza comes out. You can watch the whole season just like that. Now, they did that before you got into this whole streaming wars with, you know, Disney and Amazon.

And they're doing the week by week and their water cooler shows that are coming out all of the time. Someone like yourself as a creator, do you prefer the bulk or do you prefer the week by week? I don't spend an awful lot of time thinking about it, but this is a good. opportunity to think about it. It has been, Welcome to Rexum has been very different for us, right? That is coming out every week and Wednesday night on FX. It's been a cool thing, which is different because, yeah, the vast majority of the work that we've done is just sort of dropped at once. And then we have the big brunch coming out on HBO Max. That's week by week. Excuse me, they're doing three releases. Okay. So it's like the first three episodes and then two

episodes and then two episodes, I think. So how do I feel about it? I think it all leads to different connection and different relationship with the audience. I think if you drop them all at once, you give the optionality to the audience. Otherwise, you're sort of controlling it differently, which feels weird. Like I think I said last time that Ted Lassow, I save up. Right. I don't want to watch them one at a time.

They released one at a time. And that's actually like, I want to watch. eight at a time. And so I wait. I save them. See, a lot of people do that. But I just think for keeping with the competition that's out there right now, I think the shows you do it different. I think that you guys can benefit. That's probably why you don't care as much because I think it's like, for example, I'm watching Chef's Table Pizza and I watch it and I'm like, I don't need to watch it week by week because I know that I have it. I go, oh, you know what? I really want to watch that next episode. I'm because I'm not

losing anything by missing one the next week or whatever. When you're in something like how of the dragon and that's every week. I'm at the edge of my seat watching that show every week going okay, I can't wait to see it. And it's in the conversation and it's always being talked about. It's trending and all that. Something like

Cobra Kai comes out, which I love as well. It's in the conversation for a month for when it's number one for as long as it is. And then it kind of now there's more competition because it's week by week but even Lord of the Rings, which is to me an inferior show to Cobra Guy. To be honest with you,

as far as quality goes. Well, it's weird that I say that, considering it's a $50 million per episode, but as far as my enjoyment of it goes. So I don't know. I just think the conversation has changed a lot with how they, I think Netflix should stop doing it.

I really do. I think it's a week, but when I think about your shows, I don't necessarily think that you could do both. It's show Pacific. Yeah. It's show Pacific. Pacific.

Is that your next one you're doing? Show Pacific. Who's in that one, Brad? Bray, you watch the, first episode of Show Pacific. Who was in that one? Oh, that was Gary Farnesburg. Yeah. And he's a new up-and-comer, but then there's also the head.

Teddy. Teddy, DeGrassey. Right. And. Is that the one with the bad hip? Yeah, he's got the bad hip. And, you know, it's kind of a house rip-off because he's taking pills all the time. Right. And, you know, it's, but he's bedside banner is not what you would call. Not great.

I'm favorite Take you back to the Acme days So for people that don't know Myself, Andrew and Brett were in the Acme Comedy Club back in the early 2000 Do either of you remember the name of our improv group? I don't Shoot, you know

I don't. I wish I did. I did because I... It's on a hard drive. Yeah, somewhere. All I say is, I'm not going to call the person out, but Fried and I used to laugh all the time. because we would do these experiments.

You know exactly what I'm going to say, don't you? And so there was this particular guy that we, and every time, no matter what the scene was, smoking a cigarette. Give you whatever it was. He'd come out and go like, you know, I've got to walk the dog in 10 minutes. Anybody make some eggs for me?

Who's flying the plane? I did improv in New York with somebody who everything started with just cleaning, like spacework cleaning. So it was just like, whatever scene it was, just... I was always a fan of that.

Did you hear Carol was fucking wrong? Cooking. Yeah. Cooking. Just always... That was it. Yes, honey? We would cry laughing because every time,

do you remember that? And the smoke, the fake smoking was like... Intense. It was intense. It was a hardcore. It was a hardcore. It was like, it's like, it was, yeah.

You tell he was in the shit. It was before smoking wasn't cool. I remember one time. Or it was cool. I remember one time that he actually started and he was sitting and he went to use a remote. And I remember you and I looking at each other like, he has started with this. And then he went. You'll switcher rooskey.

Oh, I remember that. Poor bastard. You know, he's probably right now I was probably sitting home smoking a cigarette. Anyway. Fake smoking. It's space work smoking a cigarette. He really is.

It's like the Michael Scott with always having a gun in every scene. Oh, I love that. It's so good. It's so good. It kills everybody. But besides that, I mean, like... What did he just whispered to you?

That's really good. But no, I think you're right, Brad. I think it is case by case as far as those... It's so Pacific. Let's talk about, Lord of the Rings. Let's just bring it back to Lord of the Rings. You like that Lord of the Rings?

You're big, your big Harfoot fan. Yeah, you like the gladiard. Can I, you say what, no much, let's see how good you are. What's your favorite part about the Harfuts? What do you like about the Harfut's the best?

The ears. Not the feet. People usually go the feet. The feet are crazy. It's usually the feet or the cock. That's me. The ears. I really love your ears.

But it's crap. Oh, man. For how much money they're putting into it? It's not even as good as Copacan. No, come on. Not one ounce of karate. That's the headline now. That's it.

No karate by the Harfuts. We need Harfut Karani. Oh, man. It's one of these shows. I love it. That's economy. And then the switchover to the it's going to be the bet now everybody's going to be doing that at home

watching this show taking a fake of nothing poor bastard guys none of the problem 15 years there are people from that group though do well yeah really well yeah really well yeah really

yeah she's like a big deal yeah yeah yeah for sure she was great I can't remember that name of that damn group anyway so But going back to what you had said, I think that you're right that it is case by case for sure when it comes to bulk or I just think more, to me, episodic scripted television when it's, it benefits you when you're in the conversation. Well, here's the thing, right?

And maybe this is the right conversation to have, which is what are the goals of the programmers, right? Like, do they want just quantitative numbers? Do they need to hit their numbers? Do they need to get those viewers and completers? You know, that's a big term. You need completers. It's not about the starters. It's about the completers.

So is that what's important to you? Or like a show like Chef's Table is an anthology, right? It's closed ended. That's sort of not how shows are programmed anymore on the scripted or on scripted side. They need to pull you through. They need to, you know, have completers. You cherry pick Chef's Table, right? There are six episodes.

I'm going to watch that one. I'm going to watch that one. I haven't watched that one. Which is how people watch things. That's all you know for the pizza one right now. Yeah, for sure. Sorry, not the pizza. Chef's Table pizza.

The pizza show. The pizza show. But they want completers. I would argue that completion is less important than like, that's my favorite show. There are people who come to me and say, Chef's Table is my favorite show. And if you actually ask them how many they watch, like probably 70% of them. Yeah.

But they have a deep connection with it. And so that feels meaningful to me. And so I think the first question is what does success look like for you? Do you want people to binge it? Well, then you better release it all at once. Do you want to extend the conversation over time? Right. That probably has a lesser intensity to it.

Like Rexum, when that show launched, it was hot. Right. Now we're several weeks later, and I don't know exactly what the numbers are, but people are still excited about it, but the billboards are down. Right. You know? Like Atlanta billboards are up now. So I don't know what is more important for networks.

And it's probably a case by case. I think it is case with case. I think that's why I said scripted. When it comes to scripted, I think for the stuff that you're doing. You might know his stuff. What's up? You might know a career in this business.

That's weird. That's why he's not nickel and diamond people. If you could Amazon choice me. What's the Amazon wish list? Oh, Amazon wish list. What's it like being you free? I know, it's true. I'd like a new bomber jacket on Amazon.

She's like, I haven't seen any of these shows. Do you need it for the studio? If you need it for the studio, then we're perhaps an arcade game. Yeah. Well, we got a few of those up. You're not counting money. What do you do? What do you do?

You got a video game of choice. Can you send us our way? I don't know about these shows. I'm just, you know, the money's not going to count it. Remember Scrooge McDuck? Yeah, when you're not bathing yourself in cash. Yeah, yeah. Somebody tried to do that.

Somebody tried to Scrooge McDuck. into a pile of coins and things like that. That hurt. Broke their asshole. Yeah, I bet that. Yeah, I'm sure. A lodged coin in their rectum. Ducktail.

Woo. Something's going to my rectum. But I do think for scripted, I do think that it's more, when you have this kind of competition, you have to be in the conversation, especially in, well, inside, like, the geek space. You have to be in the conversation because. For a while, you're saying extended. Yeah, yeah, because of, because up top, like, Stranger Things, I think, as popular as that show was, massive. I think it would have been 10 times as popular if it was week to week to week with all this stuff.

It probably would have been shot differently because, I don't know, do you watch Stranger Things? It would be it. But it was, it had about a program. Yes, it's a good program. But they had, the episodes were like an hour and a half each this time. The shorter episodes, but they were, and then the final one was like two and a half hours. They wouldn't have done it that way if it was week to week, I think. But if you do that show week to week for, oh, shit, that just happened to so-and-so of what the hell's going to happen next week.

So that's your preference. It wasn't, though. It never used to be. Well, sure, it did, because it's old school, right? You think back to the Sopranos. You think back to things like that that you loved. Yeah, but I'm talking about since the, when streaming came out, I remember when I was on Collider and we were, this conversation came up. And I was like, well, when those Star Wars shows come out, there's other things given me, I want to basically what you just said about, about, about Lassau.

Oh, no, no, no. No, no. Well, you said last, so you're like, giving me all right now, right now. And I said, when the shows that I want to watch it on, I want it all now. And it's before all the streaming, like the streaming wars and the competition came out because it's like there's so much out there. It's hard. The other show that I started watching on Netflix was Sandman.

And I really enjoyed that show a lot. And I started watching it. And then all this other stuff came out. And it's different because I cover a lot of this stuff too. So it's my work. But I started, I love Sam Man, but it fell by the wayside. Because it wasn't week but week. It was all the stuff in one, I can go back and watch it.

Did you finish it? Didn't. I never finished it. I have to go back to it. Interesting. That happens to us all the time because of the things that you just jump about. Yes. Yeah.

Yeah. You're out. And then we jump on to another one or we watch this and, you know. It's easier to do the week by week because it's like, you know, when it comes to whether it's even like She Hulk, which I'm not necessarily really enjoying, but it comes out of the week. I know I watch it at the morning. It's a half an hour show. I digest it.

I talk about it on the show and then I move on. So I don't know. think I think Netflix always did the, just dump it now because they could do that and there was no other competition. I think now with the competition, I think they're going to start, I think they're going to change it. Maybe. Yeah, they're going to change it.

I mean, cassette tapes are coming back. I mean, this old school. Yeah. Record players came back a couple years ago. Yeah, yeah. It's true. Final. Yeah.

I want to know what the youngsters. I want to know what the youngsters think about the week to week. Yeah. I remember vinyl. Yeah. But the other question I was this. Which is more in the side of... I'll tell you this on that week to week thing,

that I got into succession during the pandemic and just plowed through them, right? Like, watched all of them in six days. Right. And now it's the first season coming out of, like, proper succession. And I'm going to have to watch once a week. And you will. And I will.

Right. But it's a different thing. Well, when you and I first met, it was Sopranos, and it was, West Wing. Those were the two. And I would go to your place and we would, we would, we would do that. But it was real. But the other thing I did want to jump into when it came, when it comes to, Lord of the Rings. No, no, no, we're rolling the Lord of the Rings podcast, but I, but we were talking about. He's so serious. But I have questions. I mean, the audience also wants to know. Oh, yeah.

You got to ask him. They don't know that we're just trying. Okay. Yeah. You don't even know. It's like, what are you observing? I thought, I'm like, oh, Frid's coming. It's just, it's just, I thought we'd be yucking up. Well, we can't have a game? Can we play a game? I don't want to play games, but why do you do? I want to ask you questions. I'll give you the arcade. You want the arcade?

I want to play for the arcade. You want to play for the arcade? Would you take it in your car on the way back? Would you tie it like you would a Christmas tree? Yeah. Yes, and I'd have it delivered. By Brett. Brett would deliver it on his back, sweating.

Take that too much. Thanks for the tree, young man. Flip me a tuppence. Tuppins is also a call back from, I think that that's from the group as well. I think Tuppins absolutely made an appearance in that group. And a good Tuppins reference in 15 years. Brett used to sort of break out into. Yeah.

Screaming also. Yeah, screaming is your go-to. But you have a good, you have a good, you have a good. Good yell. Yeah. So the yell, the yell works. Yeah, so the yell absolutely works. That's just my own nervousness anyway.

It was. He gets nervous around you now. Yeah. Well, it's very nervous. What an asshole he is, by the way. At the dinner, Brett makes a joke and goes, Afraid, you're making a big bucks. Why don't you pay?

And free goes, I assume that's why I was invited. Fuck you asshole. I assume. He's just so used to it. He's just used to it. He's like, I was planning on it. Because he was shocked. People started paying.

He's like, what the fuck is going on? Oh, is this one of those? It's hilarious. It's funny. Can I ask you a question? I was about ready to put out a true friend's face with post after this. MySpace had? Who are my real friends?

Yeah, it's the truth. All right, let's switch for a second. We'll try to be serious. I think it's impossible. I have questions because someone, I saw something recently about whether you with the shows that you're working on but podcasting in general what I've noticed is a switch with celebrity driven kind of podcast and celebrity driven and even when it comes to shows that you're doing right like

so if you look at a show like rexom where you have you have the welcome to rexom yeah welcome to rest I can't say raxom yeah the pizza show but welcome right you look at the two stars that have for that that you used to sell the show Ryan Reynolds and Rob McElhaney okay the two stars both both stars of the show all right so but you used both those guys to sell the show but you but you but you use them in the marketing right it's their show you use them in the marketing but like the thing is and it's celebrity driven stuff that really pushes more so than even just the content itself right that's always been a thing whether it's movies and everything too but like is you see more that now because a lot of time is it is it easier to sell through a premise or do you need celebrity

driven stuff well i would say i didn't want to interrupt you because i wanted to listen yes but the the note that i would have even about the question is that nobody's using the celebrities to market anything in the case of welcome to rexham in the case of some of the other It's their show they pitched Right. But that's part of the DNA of the thing, right? Like, it's important to them.

It's something that they really want to do. They're on the poster for it. Yeah. Because. But when I say used, though, but you have to, they're an asset. They're the asset.

Right. Rob McElhaney came up with the idea to buy a soccer team and make a documentary about it. Of course he'll be on the billboard. And of course, once he brought his friend Ryan into it, he'll be on the billboard also.

Jeremy, we have a show called Renovations. It comes out on Disney Plus in January. Jeremy Renner like hoards de-commissioned municipal vehicles, ambulances, buses. He just like hordes them on his ranch and Tahoe. And so this was him like renovating them and giving them to different charities for different uses, an art bus, so water salinization thing, you know, the whole thing. Anyway, they are. they are the idea.

If there was no Jeremy Renner who does that already and who wanted to make a show about that, we wouldn't be like, all right, we got this renovating show that we need to, you know, find somebody else to anchor. So, yeah, that is a huge part of the business now. People are, people have different creative agency than these. The big brunch with Dan Levy is the same thing.

You should look at the VAL thing, right? The VAL thing, right? The VAL alone, like having the idea that it's different And if there's somebody, an unknown person who's got all this great footage that's very fascinating, it's not this, it's not as fascinating as if Val Kilmer has it. It's just, it's, yeah, but we do, I think we do a nice mix, right? Yeah. We also make cheer, which is about regular people.

We make Last Chance You. We have another season of Last Chance You coming out. I hope I'm not breaking news or anything, but, um. If you are, it's great for us. I'm so glad that'll work out for you. Yeah, that's true. Um, but, uh, yeah, like, these are real people, real stories. and so I think it's nice to have a mix,

but, and I think that, you know, documentary has definitely gone mainstream, Hollywood in many ways as well. Well, that's, that was more so what I meant, though, too, because like, do you find, you could have said that? Do you find it, do you find it harder, though, for something like cheer? Is it a harder sell to, whether it's the networks, whether it's the marketing than it is to do something like Welcome to Rackson, because you have two big stars?

I think especially during times, of like fear. Yeah. You want to be packaging sure things. People are scared. There's been, you know, correction in the marketplace. Stocks have dropped. Places have consolidated.

It's a weird time in what we all do and the business behind of what we all do. And so as you can stack elements on top of each other, it becomes safer and less risky for. for the buyers and we try to do that for them. So yes, yes. You mentioned beforehand how it mainstream, the docu series documentaries in general have become. One of the things inside of that was whether it's true crime,

which we talked about last time. And part of true crime is even scripted now, as I mentioned in the beginning with Dahmer, right? Like, that's like incredible. I can't watch it. No, I can't watch it. And it's number one. People love it.

I don't know if you had a chance to see it, but like, but. I can't. No, it's because it's real, right? Because these things happen. And I think that Evan Peters looks awesome in the role. Like he looks really just locked into it. But why do you think that show?

Because a lot of people feel I can't watch this. It's tough. But tons of people did. Why are people so fascinated with Jeffrey Dahmer still now to watch him in a scripted show? I'm just curious what your opinion is. I wish I had an awesome answer for that. I'm sort of curious what you guys think, too. Like what I've come to appreciate is there's a brand of television, and this doesn't apply here,

but I just didn't know about this like a few weeks ago, right? Like where some of the types of TV that we don't really do a ton of, people watch to feel better than them. People watch some of this like train wreck stuff to feel better about themselves. I never really spent much time thinking about that and I didn't realize that. But that's interesting to sort of note, right? The other thing that I think of is that, like, as a documentary storyteller, I'm acutely aware of the fact that, like, all documentaries are about obsession, right? Like, just where you find interesting things is, like, people who are obsessed with something. So there's something about that obsession ingredient that sort of is in there, but, like, what makes people want to watch things about serial killers?

I honestly don't know, but... Forever. Yeah. My wife explained to me why, and I don't know, I'm pretty sure she heard this on NPR, but she said that a lot of women watch these things as a way to figure out if they were put in these situations how to get out of them. And it's almost like a research for her. But that's so dark, right?

There's still dark. It's something done in private. I think imagine if that movie were released in movie theaters. Would that be like the big, notwithstanding that like there's no stars in. it or anything like that. But like, it's not, it's something you watch in your pajamas.

It's something you watch under the covers. Yeah. Well, that's a lot of these movies now, especially, well, and that's a good conversation enough too. When you talk about the darker movies, even a movie like 7,

which is a tremendously popular movie, that movie didn't do like 100, or whatever, like $500 million in the box office. It did good, but it didn't do like... Well, it wasn't meant to be that. Again, back to like what's it's possible. No, no, no, but that's right.

But that's exactly right. That's the whole point is that because you know, when you're structuring that movie out, you know you're going to have a certain amount of audience that's going to come and watch it in the theater. But most likely they're going to watch it. And at that time, Blu-ray whenever it was because people don't feel comfortable watching it in the theater. And it's like a lot of people want to the movies to feel good. But that movie is just a fascinating movie. I was in the front row for that.

It was terrible. I mean, great movie. But you were in the front row. That's the worst. Can't do it. Never forget that. Yeah, yeah, right. But yeah, but yeah, but no, you're right.

It's like now because of the true crime stuff, everything else too, and I think true crime also probably helped Dahmer tremendously. Also, the, the, because people are like, oh, okay, let's see how much, because Netflix does these things. Yeah. How much fact is actually put into it now. Learning more about it, there's a younger generation that probably didn't even really know about them, just kind of, you know, heard.

And then it's like the idea, I think what it is, one of the answers is, everybody's got a dark side, but not that dark. Everybody's a dark side, but not that dark. And when you look at, you wonder and you're curious, like, where can the brain go and how, like, how broken of a brain to do those things? And that really happened. Like, I can't, I just watched a trailer and I was like, I'm good. It's also stranger than fiction, right?

Like, there's so, I, as a reader, not really much of a reader, but as a reader, like, I read nonfiction. The idea of reading fiction to me is like, well, yeah. That's why you make the stuff you do too. Sure. But I think that I think that that's stranger than fiction that like holy, because if somebody said, if somebody wrote that character, they'd like get in trouble.

Right? Like, what is wrong with you? Right. That you would sit down on a blank piece of paper and write some kind of story like this. You should see someone. Yeah. but it's real. It happened. So like, some of that. I think that's what that really, and Roxy was on, we were talking last week, and she's like, one of the things that really is the problem,

she's watching the patient, right, which is also about a serial, but it's scripted. So when I said to her, why can you watch that so easily, but, you know, you can't watch Dommer. She's like, because Dommer's real. Yeah. Oh, she can't watch. I think that was the answer when we, when we,

yeah, real is crazy. And stranger than fiction is true. Like that happens, we run into it all the time. time. It's like if we had written it this way. Would you ever go down that road though if someone came in and pitched something along those lines like because you we were talking about like

chef's table right? And I had asked you if you were because we had gotten a pizza at the table and I was like do you find yourself like reviewing pizza all that time? He's like not really. You know it's like someone says something particularly but like he was around it all the time he's with all these people and you just you can't help yourself that you become the

world that you're in. Knowing that if someone came and pitch something like this that was a great idea inside of this kind of world. Could you find yourself going down, you know, that path? Because he did it with Cosby, obviously, but that's not the same, but it's a little very dark place. Well, all the projects are different and they all require different things from me personally, right? So would I want to every day be living in that kind of world? I don't know.

You know, I worked for Joe Berlinger for a long time back in New York, and he, you know, he's the king of this stuff. How much were you involved in a lot of this stuff, the projects? Well, I didn't do those things with him. I worked on Icona class with him. I sort of was around him for different things. But he, you know, he's the master at this. And I couldn't live with it the way he lives with it. Right.

That's why I asked you, because I know you well enough to where I just feel like it would affect you. But as a company, as an organization, we have projects that range topics. I meant more so you, though. No, I go so hard when I'm making something as a director, I go so hard for the exact period of time that it is required, and then I'm sort of out, like I check out of it. And I need to be able to do that. So I don't.

It's a tough one. That wouldn't be. But the Cosby doc that W. Kamau Bell directed that I felt really close to in its ideation and in its execution, it was hard. It was hard because, Well, so many reasons. Our personal connection to the material. Like I knew what section of Bill Cosby himself I wanted in the dock

before we even realized where it was going to go because I knew the thing by heart. And there were sections of this. I remember once watching a rough cut. And sometimes when you're watching a rough cut, you're carrying a laptop places. I remember the laptop sitting on my counter in the kitchen and me like eating a bag of chips or something.

And my earphones were in. and I'm just sort of watching it, and I'm laughing. And I'm just like, ah! And I sort of caught my reflection in the mirror, and it's like, that is not the face I should be having when I'm watching this show. But the reality was it was all of that. It was so terrible. And yet he brought so much, you know, so many smiles.

So that was harder. That was harder. And then you also realize these things last forever. And so the weight of this was far more on Kamau's shoulders than on mine. But my name, on there forever too. And so it's like, how do we dial this right so that you feel this way? Yeah, that's actually the exact level of conflict you're supposed to feel, at least in parts

of the thing, right? We missed a, I didn't miss it, but a lot of people miss a great conversation that happened. And I wanted to literally know that did not go unnoticed with both my wife and Andrew, or I brought up, my wife didn't know that Andrew had produced. We need to talk about Cosby. and I brought it up. And my wife goes, oh,

I don't want to talk about Cosby anymore. And Freed looks at her and he goes, we need to talk about it. We need to. But he said it like that, but he said it in, he wasn't cracking a joke. He was saying it in a way.

It went right over my wife's head, but I, I don't want to let you know that it did not go over. I caught it immediately and I thought it was great. But, you know, that's what makes it so terrible is that all the joy that he brought, you know,

This Dahmer wasn't bringing joy to me. No. No. So that's why it's less interesting to be honest. Yeah, I get it. And I think that, but that's the other thing that you said that with the company as it's growing, it's building, it's not to say that there aren't producers that wouldn't be able to work on that type of stuff. We have a project. Jordy's been working on a project for a while that hasn't happened yet.

But darker. Yeah. Dark as fuck. Yeah. Well, that's what I was asking more specifically to you, because I, like I said, you, like I said, you. Jordie win. Jordan won. That's who I was talking about for reference.

who have also known for a very long time. But where, so the things that you are working on, obviously, we've talked about it. What are the projects that you are not working on that you want to be working on? What type of stuff that you want to start working on? Lord of the Rings. Lord of the Rings, right?

You want to do Lord of the Rings, Doc? Definitely. And I want to do a doc about Hartfoots. We need to talk about Harfoots. Yes. Because we do. We do. We do.

We do. What do I? What do I want to work on? I get jealous of projects out there all the time. and I think that that's healthy. I think that that's like motivating for me. For like you basically saying, oh my God,

I wanted to do that and that person's doing it. Well, it's like, oh, that is so fucking good. Yeah. What's one of those? Can you tell me one of those? What did you hear that came across and you're like, fuck, I wish I would have thought of that.

We should have done that. Oh, they, Davis Guggenheim has a Michael J. Fox documentary coming out. Davis Guggenheim is awesome. Great storyteller. and he was telling me, yeah, I got, I'm just locking picture. We were out for drinks. I'm just locking picture on this Michael J. Fox doc.

And I was like, oh, I want to make the Michael J. Foxx doc. Lucky. Yeah, there's Steve Martin doc coming out that was announced. Yeah. So that kind of stuff. You know? So that Carlin one that came out a little while. The other one that Aftout did.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So my buddy of mine, Mike Bonfiglio, who he used to work with in New York, works on those. He co-directs those projects, which did Appetatatat, Oh, okay. And I see him places, and I am so fucking jealous. Him and his little Judd Apatow edit sessions. And they must, like, sit at night and just, like, talk about what's funny together. Oh, we'll do Gary Shanling, and then we'll do George Carlin.

Who should we do next? Mike Bonfiglio. They're really good. Yeah, they're so good. Carlin stuff. You know me. I love it. I mean, Carlin's my guy.

I don't know how. See, there's just too much. I get them. They also. They also did the Darrell Strawberry Doc Gooden. docked together. Oh, that I never saw. Yeah, they're just dicks. So I am pissed at Mike Bonfiglio often. Often, all the time. I'm jealous of his relationship with Judd Apatow.

Well, so, like, let's sit up at night and talk about what's funny. Who's the funniest person you ever worked with? Professional, like recently. Oh, I will say that Ryan Reynolds is. Is he legit? He's legit hilarious. Yeah. And handsome and tall. Yeah. So he's got everything. But he's really, like, in real world, and I haven't spent a ton of time with him, but we, you know, a few days in Wales. There's enough to. And he is genuinely a hilarious dude.

Yeah. Yeah. And he's charming and likable and kind and smart. That's good to hear. I would have hate to hear if he was a dick. No, I hear good things about him. And I tell you, and the thing with him also was what he's so smart with, with what he's able to do, whether it's doing a project like yours.

And then he gets himself in social media like that because he does a video with Hugh Jackman that he could have announced at D23 and it could have got, he could have been a big announcer for them, but he's like, fuck this, I'm doing it on my social, I'm doing it that way.

And that's it. Everyone was talking about. I did a video just reacting to the thing and it was one of the bigger things that I did because he carries that kind of weight. He knows how to do it. He knows he's a genius marketer. So it's a couple of the fact that he's, yeah,

a good looking dude who's funny. My question for you, though, is he tall? Yeah, and handsome. Handsome and tall. But is he handsome? Is he handsome? Brady's so handsome. You've got no idea.

Turn around. Ryan, give us a spin. We need you to come kick this ball. There are other funny people, I'm sure, though. Dan Levy is very funny. Yeah. There's a lot of people out there, but I was just curious because, you know, he's, again, for people who don't know, Fried and I spend a lot of time in our early years together on the stand-up scene.

There are, it's amazing to me that I can remember certain bits that have got to be 20-plus years ago since I've heard them once. But like, I remember a guy in New York, Ted Alexandro. Is he around still? I don't know Ted Alexander? I've been out of the scene, Tim. Ted Alexander used to do this thing where he'd go, what was the guy? New Year's like in Roman times? Was it like X?

I. Holy shit, I remember that. V-I-I-I-I. Oh my God. That was Luna. That was Luna jokes, too. That dude just made me laugh. Wow.

Brett, tell him the peg-boy joke. You ever heard of Pegboys? Have you heard of the Peg-Boys? I think it was Greek or Roman. I always confuse it, too. They would have out on the boats these cats that would sit on pegs to keep their bums nice and loosened up and ready for

for operation because you didn't want women on ships because it's bad luck so you had peg boys this is a bit you request that's what you love that's what I love he brought it up one time recently where we talked about we talked about this movie that Ben Affleck did

with honor to armus and like there's like ass eating that happens And I brought it up. Yeah. And Roxy asked me in the show, she goes, did they eat ass in the 50s? And I said, yeah. Brett's like in the 50s. The Greeks.

This thing called the Peg Boys. Oh, shit. You've seen the things of the ruins where they had like blocks that had penises on them, pointing you in the direction of the whorehouses. I mean, people think, oh, man, everything's so gross these days. Those guys were doing all of it. That was, I'll tell that story as well too. So I had no problem,

telling us, when I was, my younger years, I, I had, I had fun. And my, and my wife likes to bring that up all the time, and she brought it up at my birthday dinner, and she's like, I, she said, I had, she had some, worse underwear and his,

when I, when I first left over, not that it was, we were rebroken up. And so, what's happening? But anyway, so, but my wife brings up and, it brings that up, and Freed looks and he goes, I forgot about the horse. Yeah, no, she was like, she was like, he had these, these horrors and their underwear were left behind, these horrors.

And I go, I did forget about the horse. Great, it was, even, even Sadie goes, she wakes up the next day, she goes, the line of the night was Andrew. I did forget about it. It was hilarious. But anyway, I knew that this, when the three of us were on, this was going to happen. You should have seen Kate, who is, as. outrageous as when he came in Kate was like firing down the questions and we had things to talk about yeah I was plugging I was plugging my show you still got I mean it's still on the air now

I have so many shows I know that's why I don't give a shit I don't talk about your damn shit dude I told him though when he I because I watched I watched that chef's table pizza and I told him I was like I got to go to Arizona he's like why go to the one in L.A I'm like and my eyes dropped I'm like there's one in L.A. I ate there last night you son. of a bitch. Pizzeria Bianco last night, you bastard.

The road downtown. Chris Bianco was there. I wasn't doing anything. No, I'm sure not. I was. I was in Pizzeria Bianco. Throwing Huntskies around.

More still water. It's true. Put that on the Amazon list. Go ahead. Trip to Bianca. Um, anyway. Downtown. So, so wait, where is he based, though?

Where, but is he still, does he, does he live here now? He's splitting time, you know? He's splitting time. Yeah. All right. Yeah. He's, he's spending some time in Arizona. He's got the two at restaurants there.

Right. In Phoenix. And he's spending some time here in Los Angeles at the new restaurant. Have not watched this Chris Bianco show, the first episode of, Chef's Table Pizza, please go and do that tonight. It is, you guys know how much I just raved about pizza in general. When Fried was on last time, he's like, oh, you're, he's like, well, it's not New York style pizza.

I like pizza. This is, Chris Bianco is the man. We had, you know, I have been very fortunate over the last couple weeks to have, like, these events around Chef's Table Pizza coming out. And so Franco Pepe was in town from Italy. We were in someone's backyard with a pizza oven, and he's, like, making pizza for us. It's crazy, right? It's, like, surreal.

and then we're back there. We've been drinking a little bit, and then in through the backyard, Chris Bianco walks in with like ingredients. He's like, yeah, I heard you guys having a pizza party. And it's like, all right. So then he and Franco Pepe are making pizza. And I'm just like, Chris, you know, were you at the restaurant?

I go, yeah. I go, well, you know, what did you tell them when you asked? He said, I'll be back in a few minutes. By the way, if you see the episode, this is a spot-on impression. Spot on. It's so good. You got to watch it, Brad. He's great.

He's great. Why don't you watch my shows? It's just, you know, it's the same thing with you and the jealousy. I'm just like, I can't. It's like me and Mike Bonfiglio. I can't do it. This guy. I can't do it.

We got to keep. My God was a great guy. I know. Great filmmaker. The films are great. But like him and Juddapitow just sit around. As much as you goof, though, does that something that's friendly competition? Do you think it's a good thing?

Totally. Yeah. You know, the first time, maybe one of the most transformative things to happen in my life is my relationship with Lynn Miranda and Tommy Cale and those folks, right? And the first time I saw their improv group, Freestyle Love Supreme, was the first time that I was exposed to them. It was before they were famous. They were just guys in an improv group. Yes. Our improv group.

Save that for a second. For those who you don't know and feel supreme that the movie that was on. We are Freestyle Love Supreme on Hulu. which Andrew directed. I directed that. Yes. I directed that film. Now,

but what I was going to say was, it's interesting because I hadn't thought of it, but we had just ended our, I had just ended my run in L.A. with you guys. Yeah. We had been doing improv. We had been doing whatever. And then I like said goodbye to that and moved to New York.

Going to that improv show, maybe a year later, two years later, I was like, fuck those guys. Like truth. Yeah. walked out of that show.

It was a Thursday night at Ars Nova. Fuck those guys. And then, like, over the weekend, I was like, ah, what was that? What did I see? Why was it so easy for them? And why was it so good? And why can't I stop thinking about it?

And then I reached out. And then, you know, the rest of our lives creatively. Very, and it's very interesting that whole thing. And it also actually has me ask you about, because you've directed episodes of Chef's Table. Are you just doing any more, directing? I hope to and I'm sure I will. But having the company too, you can go, I want to direct how much? That is what happens when there's something that's like, well, look, it is great

for me, I think, to direct episodes of shows because it keeps me in touch with how the shows are made. It gets me on the ground doing things. But it's also a big commitment to direct those things and it's an unfair burden that I put on my creative cohorts when I do that because when the boss is the director the slack is picked up by the people around him and so you know I work with producers and editors who are very generous with their time and creativity well too because when you have a director one that's that is not you and you're able to you're the one saying giving the notes, having suggestions, doing those things. Who's giving those to you?

What is the check on me? Yeah, that's what I'm pretty, I'm pretty easy like that. But who's doing it? There are other producers. There are other people in the room. There's a room. You know, and that room is a safe space. But the people who are able to give notes, I mean, look, on chef's table,

David, Gelb and Brian McGinn, like, they wouldn't be cautious. They're going to tell you right away what they like. And honestly, the first one that I did, which was the Nikki Nakayama episode, I remember David did not like, and we were not, we didn't have the history we had now. And I remember saying to David, like, one night and late night in an edit room, that like, you know, he needs to like this. I know he may not love my episode as much as some of the other episodes, but like I need him to like it, and I don't, I'm not pretending like that's not one of my goals.

So if he doesn't like it, I need you to tell me so that you do. Right. So do you think that that was also. of top that because you And then he ultimately did. Right. I loves it. But do you think that the reason why at first that he didn't

was because of that, okay, here's this guy who's producing it to and now must have come in and direct it? Well, he was more of a film guy. I was more of a TV guy. I think the combination of all of us, Brian as well, being sort of understanding all the languages, but certainly being a film guy. Like, I think that the combination of us

making something together ended up being successful between chefs table and street food but um yeah i i wanted to do things that he you know that were not really in his idea of what the show was and so you know we found our language but the thing that's more interesting to me is that like there are a bunch of the directors and dPs and the combinations thereof and like so clay jeter um who directed the chris bianco um he's great uh episode. He always is like on the Amazon, on a glacier in Patagonia. He's like out in the far reaches of the earth making Chef's Table episodes.

I'm like, minor in like, L.A., San Francisco, New York, and Hong Kong. And so like I've always been much more of a city director like that. But yeah, the fact that we're part of the same show is sort of a thrill to me because his are so adventurous. You're not going to be doing any Inuit. No, no. I did one in Thailand that was pretty wild. Yeah. I was going to say, what was the place last question?

Well, quick, quick. Yeah, I had a question. Have you ever considered coming up with like an alter ego director that has a silly voice and smokes? That puts you in check. You know, I disagree. Just sitting in a boardroom by himself as people walk in. He's just arguing with himself.

I've got this. He takes a beret from the back of his car. I've not. considered that. But now I'm obsessed with it. Now you have. I'm obsessed with that. Andrew Fried, it's always good to have you and hear me. Oh, my God, is that it? It's it. We've been, we're with, with everything that we've talked about, this is almost a, we're usually an hour been, and we're about close to two hours today. No, that's too much. Yeah. That's too much. Let's edit that down. We should really tighten it up. Next time. Next time. Can people listen to

this at like a 1.75? They can listen to how they want. They can listen to it. And you know else you can listen to it everybody you can make sure that you listen to it and you can listen to it on patreon if you want to do it actually is there but if you wanted to listen it on apple podcast you can listen to it on apple podcast but a lot of people like to listen on spotify and if you follow the big thing on spotify that's where you can get it you can hear this full interview with myself and andrew and brett you can find a lot of the different things that we do here on the show right there and there so it is the big thing podcast thank you guys so much for joining us thank you to Andrew Free. Thank you to Carbon Health for sponsoring today's episode. Thank you, Brett Sheridan,

for building out this studio. And thank you all of it. It really does. And I thank all of you guys for adding the list. We're very few things left. And that's a yellow chair is left. Do you like that yellow chair? Yellow chair. Someone's going to get that yellow chair. I'm telling you. I'm going to call it. Whoever gets that yellow chair, we're going to call it. The Andrew Fried chair. No matter who gets it. We'll call it the freed chair. That's right. Thank you guys. And check out chefs table of pizza man i'm telling you thank you yep i'm dude i can't watch that show on a empty stomach though i know you hear that a million times over i just can't do it um i got to get to that pizza place you get you tell me you you go to that bianca pizza one more time without me i'm going to break

you i was there last night i know you son of a bitch delicious thank you everybody for joining us here i can still almost taste it i can smell it on your on your shirt all right thank you everybody appreciate you and we'll see you on the flip side thanks for joining us peace