The Kristian Harloff Show - Superman Legacy: James Gunn Responds To The Cast Being Too Crowded

Episode Date: July 14, 2023

Join the site today! http://www.thekristianharloff.com Superman Legacy casting has been a hot topic of conversation. Now with the news of more casting happening, fans have been nervous that Superman will not be the focus. James Gunn responded to these concerns and we discuss. Speaking of Gunn and DC, he made it clear that The Suicide Squad is not part of the new DCU. What about Peacemaker, Waller? That has not been as clear. The SAG strike is happening, how will it impact the business. Bob Iger had things to say about the state of Marvel and more and how the product might be diluted. Deadpool images and more on today's Big Thing Capes and Cowls with Kristian, Winston and Coy! #Supermanlegacy #greenlantern #DC #marvel #Deadpool GET ROCKET MONEY! http://www.rocketmoney.com/thing

What's going on, everybody? Welcome back. It's Friday. It's a big thing and capes and cows. And strangely enough, even though with the Sack Strike now happening and the business is essentially shutting down, there was a lot of news to talk about because there was casting stuff. We know that Deadpool has a bunch of footage that they showed already from the classic Wolverine suit to them fighting and all that and more. There's some news from Bob Eiger, who is basically saying it's time to come. cut down some of these budgets. And he also believes that Marvel Studios and Disney plus TV shows in general have diluted focus

and attention which do not disagree with him about. One of my favorite stories, there's a potential casting rumor for the thing for someone I'm very excited about, for sure. James Gunn responds to the Superman legacy casting. People were not thrilled about

all the different characters that were cast, and he responded to exactly why. This and more. I mean, that's just a little snippet. And, of course, we'll touch on the sag strike and how that's going to impact stuff and Comic-Con in general and what that's going to be like. So I hope you are excited to join us today. It's nice to have you. If you haven't already, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, anywhere podcasts are found.

Make sure you check us out. Go to the website. If you want to support the show, you want to go and you want to see some of the things that we're doing over there, whether it is the Shoes and Beef episode, of course, capes and cows. Issue number one, issue number two coming soon. It's on the channel. You can get it if you are a member or you can get it all la carte. You want to check it out and see what it is. You can get an actual physical copy.

You can get a digital copy. Go on over to the Christianharlof.com and get one today. All right, everybody. So let's get into it. It's me and Swinston. It's Coy. We're excited. You're excited too.

I think. I'm not going to speak for you, but I'm going to guess. Welcome back. Ladies and gentlemen. Caps and Cals It's myself Coy Johnro Winston A Marshall

The crew Is by what's that said Oh I've seen that I've seen that I didn't even notice Because the jacket Oh no I started to put on the capes and cow shirt And I said I know what today is

So I respect it Yeah I saw you're gonna star people out day homes No Oh because the writers Yeah But that quote And then the follow up you

Yes Bob is correct About budgets and what not he is incorrect about people wanting living wages. Yeah. So I don't, I know there's a lot of different things. I don't know the extent of everything that he said about that. But I know some people are pushing back on the stuff that he said, plus the fact that I think he makes like $25 million here or something.

He just signed himself a new contract to 2026. Like, get out of here, bro. And that's just that part of the contract. I think he made 71 million in 2019 or something like that. It's like, yeah, you know, these people that want, you know, liveable wages, they really, we should talk about them with my million dollar a day. But to switch into the comments that were made about the writers that, look, when we talked about the writer strike, what I tell you guys, I said,

they were prepared for this. Yeah. They have no, in no worlds they want this to be settled, they're going to let the writers sweat. And then sure as hell. I mean, the writing was on the wall. And it was sure is hell. Yeah. There's reports that pretty much studio execs are saying as much, saying that they got to play

hardball. This is the business that we're in. They're going to have to get back to work because they can't afford their rent. and it's evil. It's pure evil. What a lot of writers have been saying on the picket lines and they've been saying on Twitter is like, see, what you don't realize as much as I love what I do.

And I do, do you know how many tables I had to wait before I got to that point? Do you know how many like Uber rides and all that? You don't think that I won't do that because I'm not going to let you just completely exploit me and all that kind of stuff. So like they don't understand that people are willing to go to the dirt if they want to go to the dirt.

So I agree with you. that there's definitely a good amount of people that feel that way. The unfortunate part is that there's also people who, let's say, using your example, they used to wait tables, they did the grind, they did it all, and they were great at it. But then they got themselves a family. And I get that. I'm just saying there's another side of it, whereas it's like, and then it's like that, now that person, man, woman, whoever it is, can't, can't afford to go do to the grind.

because they need to figure away. Totally 100% agree and understand that. I think what's making the big difference here is if they were the lone wolf here by themselves, I think you're right. The fact that SAG is now on strike, the fact that UPS is two seconds away from going on strike. There is one other major company right now that's also their workers have gone on strike. If you continue to see labor as a whole, not just in the movie industry,

but labor as a whole go enough is enough. Like you need to stop squeezing us for everything. that should be enough to finally make them go, damn, we can't do this anymore. Because it's one or the other, you know what I mean? I know, but I'm just wondering it because, like I said, even with, I think with SAG, they probably, because you and I had this conversation on my barberer.

I didn't think they were going to go on strike. The writers, I thought would. I thought SAG was going to figure something out because I didn't think that the studios could afford to let the writers go on strike. Right, because it's immediate. The actors, you mean? Yes, excuse me, the actors.

Because they were losing 30 million a day with just writers. Right. I think they'll be losing upwards of like $80. 100. I think they were prepared for the first. Right. Because they were also taking cuts and they were also cutting people out of certain things that they had signed deals to that they would lose. They wouldn't have to do that. Right. They didn't want to do that with the actors. So they're going to figure out the actors faster, but it's just a matter of the demands. I think this is either going to last 10 days or 10

months. I think either it's a quick turnaround because it's always the answer though, isn't it? But in this case, I think there's reasons for both. Like this case, I think 10 days is going to get rid of all the overall deals that like big studio has been like, hey, we'll do it over. I'll you seven figures. Now they can negate all those. Now they can get some certain like, um, exploitative leverage on certain things. But that all happens quickly. After that, they start to lose money that they won't make back up. And then I think it's going to be like, we don't have the authority to shift the things. The streamers aren't making money. The billionaires are making money. And like, so like if you look at Netflix and all these, these streamers,

they don't like have a profit margin like they used to. So the things that need to change are so high up. I don't see it changing quickly. So I think it'll take like 10 months. I want to ask you a question because the thing, and this will be the question when I make this statement first. I saw we have a new subscriber that came in a series said. A brand new subscriber, I found this and he's like, and I'm just curious, if you guys, do you ever think about

getting like an intern or someone who could do some of the research on the stuff? And I, to that person, at first I said, welcome to the channel. There is no research sound on this channel. It is pure, it is pure conversation that we may get it right or may get it wrong. But I thank you

for your suggestion. And this is why ask you this after saying that. I don't want to pretend that I know everything that SAG is asking for, even though I'm part of it. And I don't know everything that they're asking for. What is the main pushback from the studio of what they want? Do you know? There's a few things. So one, both WJ and SAG have been asking

because of the residuals. Because of the residuals that don't make sense. So like there was a famous, there's an actress on the show, P Valley. Sorry, I've got a bad head. big today. There's an actress on the show at Peave Valley. She put a TikTok out that went viral where she was like, hey, y'all, it's my birthday. And for my birthday, I got these sag residual checks, baby. I'm so excited. Let's open them up. $3.50, $1.49, 10, cents. Y'all, we're going on strike. Like, it's this idea of you could be the complete face of a show. And I think the

article that did it for me, it was either the rapper the Atlantic did a piece about Orange is a New Black. And apparently, most of those actors were getting paid peanuts, if not. Not any, like one actress that played, I think she played fig, which was the warden that came in, the corporate warden that came in. Okay. She was coming in at a loss because it was an LA local hire. She had to fly herself in order to play the role, even though it would become a reoccurring guest star or a series regular. So that's the whole thing. It's, it's, she took that risk because this would be the thing that would put her career to the next spot. But you shouldn't have to necessarily do that for something that big. If you're doing like a day, player thing, that makes sense. But if you're like a staple on the show at that point, you should be getting compensating properly. I remember when Scarl Johansson, like the article

came out that she made $4,200 a week on West Anderson's most recent Asteroid City. And everybody was like, oh, I wish I made $4,200 a week. I don't know if people understand the economics of this town because $4,200 a week is you get taxed on that number first. So say they get taxed, say it's a 30% tax on $4,200. That's already what a third of $4,200 is. 12, 1, 1800. It's 1,800. So we'll take 1,800 off the 4200. So that is going to be $2,600.

So $2,600, so $2,600, but she has left. But she has to pay 10% to her manager and 10% of that first 4200. So that's 420 and 420. So that's another 840. So 840 plus 1,600 is 2,400. So now she's gone from... No, I just did. That's 30%.

So 16 is the taxes. And then we're doing 420 and 424. So now we're at $2,400. $2.5% for a lawyer. Exactly. So now we're at $2,400 and then 5% for a lawyer. And don't forget about international and stuff, too. There's all that chaos. Because Bryce Dallas Howard and Katie actually talked about this. The amount of money that you think that even like a Bryce Dallas Howard would make and is significantly lower from a, because of all the stuff that you'd have to, what you just reached and stuff you have to pay

out. So yeah, it's like it's not. So if you strike $2,600 from that $4,200, you're at $1,600 for a week. $1, $6 a week might be a livable wage in, many places. 13, 14 hours a day. Exactly. I was going to say, then you're also looking at what it costs to live here

and you're looking at the hours you're actually putting in. She didn't do that one for the money. No, no, but that's what I mean is like, some people have to do it for the money. Right. So that's the segment of them she worked for.

Some people have fought their entire lives to get to that point. Right. Streaming needs to be figured out. The, um, everything that I think that both strikes are warranted. I think it's almost criminal in,

and what they're doing to the writers. But the thing is that it's, it's like this kind of cutthroat business mentality. of what they're doing and they're just, they're not seeing, I'll never forget, I was working at The Bachelor, and this is very similar to this whole thing. And I said one of the main reasons that I couldn't work there,

because they wanted to promote me like eight to 10 different times. They wanted me, because I had worked a Bachelor pad as a producer. I actually met my buddy Graham through there, my buddy William through there. But I liked talking to people and really like kind of getting real moments out of them,

but there's a lot of manipulation going on and on producers and stuff, part of the job. And so there was a guy that was working there. He was like one of the head guys at the time. And he called me into his office and we were talking. He's like, look, you're going to be really good at this. We want you to do this. I never said yes to it, but they wanted me to do it. And he said, but when you go in there, remember, you can't look at these people as people. They're not people. They're characters on a show. Don't worry about the emotions of it. Don't worry about this. They're people. And you've got to look at them as

fictional characters. I understand the mindset. I just didn't feel good about it. that and I couldn't do that, right? So, like, that, and the reason I bring that up is it's very similar to this mentality. Look, these are the people who help with the shows. There's a million different writers coming in every single day. Once this thing is over, we'll find, we'll find more. So it doesn't matter if some guy is going to,

we're going to starve him out because that person will, down the line, they'll find something else. They don't think about the human side of it. It's the greed, it's all this other stuff that kind of takes over. And if it wasn't profitable consistently, that's different. Like, if you're making an indie film, yeah, Maybe you've got to work for like $10 a day or you know what I mean? Like if that's different.

But if we see at the end of the year these studios making their billions, even with the struggle, there's still profit at places. That's the issue is when someone's making a lot of money and someone's making a little that are the disparities of the thing that has to share. I don't believe that someone doesn't deserve to make X dollars. But I do believe that someone doesn't deserve to make zero dollars. Yes. It's also from the standpoint of I think what they're forgetting. I understand that the studio heads are making the decisions of what,

getting made and what's not getting made. And I also understand that the ones bringing the money to the table, but you also have to remember you don't have the bear, Game of Thrones, breaking bad without the writers, without the actors. You have nothing. And that's why, so I think

one of the arguments for what they're saying is, if you say that to some of these studio piece, right, you're right, but why do we need eight to 15 writers? We only need the writer and the creator of the show, and then he brings in two people. Why do we need all these big these other things? They don't understand the creative the process. It's a different speech in like the suits and the creative right into where it's the creative and the ironic is the fact that the

creative is the reason that the suits have what they have. Exactly. The pushback that I would immediately say when they say stuff like that is because what they're trying to do is then icing out new the next generation. Oh I couldn't agree more. And in doing so like I think about how Shonda had like a whole like a whole night of television. She had what all of Thursday night she had what Gray's Anatomy station 19 how to get away with murder, like just all of that. For example, how to get away with murder,

one of her protégés was working with her scandal as well, was working with her on scandal. And then because they knew who that writer was because Shonda brought them in, they then made a whole new extra show that won Emmys and everything. Like, the idea of not prepping for

the future and the actual future of bringing in the next level of creatives to continue this train rolling is the stupidest thing I've ever heard of my entire life. It's a lot of stuff. It's always matter of greed and a matter of money. I think that's the main kickback of billionaires. You mentioned that like the absolute, like all billionaires are evil.

I think the main problem to get to a B billion is that's a million million. Like people that, that, that, uh... A thousand million. Thank you. Thank you for making my math. But it's so much money where it's like you could never spend that much in a lifetime and you could never like... It's excessive.

Yeah, it's beyond. So the moral, the moral quandary of the world being in the place of disparity it is, my only kickback against billionaires is the eye. that you have money that you physically can't spend all of that could go towards helping. I agree with every bit of that. And I just, like I said, but like I said, but again, I don't deal in absolute. And I also don't speak to these people. So it's hard, because I see them on, on television or on social media or all these things.

I don't want to have an idea in my head of like, well, this is what I think, because I agree with that, everything you said there. But I have a conversation with these people. I don't know who they are in their essence. And like Mark Cuban is a billionaire, I think, right? And he does the, the, the, the, prescription thing. There are tons of billionaires who also do good things that we don't know and maybe aren't in the public eye and don't and there are tons of them that do that are putting money out there that are doing things and I have never had a conversation with them. So I don't know if

they're good or bad and I'm not saying that 90% of them are complete evil scumbags. They very well might be. How do I know that? I don't talk to them. I see them on Twitter. I see them on TV. It's just an idea that you have and I don't think that's right to say about someone who has $6 in their account. Well, that person, they're struggling and they're, you know, they made their own route. Yeah, that drives me insane. It's like, no. You don't know why the person's there.

And you don't know why the person's there. That's what I really struggle with. The people that judge people for judging people that are unhoused around the street. Just so kid to judge them because they're rich. Exactly. It's the same judgment. And that's what scares me. I think the ultimate thing is the same thing that's always been said.

It's if a billionaire is going to come out and start shitting on people, then by all means, you are a bad person and I don't like you. You put your hands up. You put your hands up, and it's like, okay, you're asking for it. It's just, again, absolutes. Sure. It's like, yeah, so you're, I mean, if someone's out there's enough evidence here, that this person might not be good. That's a person, not people.

That's a person. Yeah. That is not a group of people. I even like some Yankees fans. Well, you're a nicer person. Yeah, because I won't say the same thing. I actually have a lot of fans. It's the same thing.

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quick story you'll get a little. Is it a tree back? I didn't go back to the tree. One day's going to say, yeah. One day he'll say yes. I don't realize you hurt your arm doing it. Dude, I was out there for an hour and 20 minutes. Throwing like this.

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So I tell her, I was telling a story. And she's like, tell me, you know, she likes me to tell movie stories. Stories are the things. And so last night I was just tired. So I was like, yeah, there was this little kid and did this. I started off with some BS story. And I go, yeah, it's a dinosaur named Tim. And she's like, no, I don't have a dinosaur named Tim.

I'm like, I'm like, fine. So I started telling this other story. And I was like, there's a lady who was in a sandwich shop, and she made a right-hand turn, and she ran into a dinosaur named Tim. And she starts laughing, right? And then I go, and then I was like, oh, she's like, you know, tell another one. I was like, well, there was these people that were swimming in the ocean.

There was a little girl, a little boy, a little boy than a dinosaur named Tim. And I kept doing it. So she's cracking up about a dinosaur name. Tim, right? Then I tell, and I do it to my oldest. My, my, my wife looks at me like, you're really going deep into these dad jokes, huh? And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. So then I told my, then I told my oldest, loved it the same way. So this morning, my youngest is drawing Disney pictures that would, when we went and she's like, it's adorable, like, wrote this little book. And I go, look at this. I go, you know what should be there? A dinosaur named Tim.

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It's wild It's wild She goes it's getting old now That's what she's had Anyway She said She had the run That what's wild

Is your youngest Like Is a 5 slash 6 year old And then all of a sudden She says something Like she's 26 Yeah You've got an experience

You've experienced So she Yeah she is She's something else All right Let's get to some of these stories All right, we should start with this. Now, I have covered it on the channel, obviously.

I talked about it on Monday, but I haven't talked to the guys about it. And so there's a lot going on here with these images, right? You get the first image of Wolverine in the old school suit, but then it was like footage. I've seen a little bit of it, and then I was like, ooh, I think I guessed what it is because I watched a little. So there's like a fight between Deadpool and Wolverine, which we knew it was going to happen anyway.

And I think between someone else too. Okay, that I didn't see. but I saw the fight itself. And the question I have is, do you remember this? You remember Machinima, right? Machinima did this, and again, I've talked about it in the air, and I could have since looked it up,

and I have not, going back to that whole comment that the guy wrote before. There was a Deadpool thing, way before Deadpool was even a movie, and I think he was fighting Wolverine? I think they did one with them. They did a lot of versus battles. I know he thought he fought,

I know he thought he fought Vader at one point. But I think Wolverine fought prejudice at one point. But I can't. But Deadpool fought somebody, and it was just like this crazy scene. I thought it was against Wolverine. But either way, you knew they were going to fight. And you know, because they both can heal. They both don't like each other at first.

And they'll probably beat the piss out of each other in the beginning of the movie. Yeah. But, I mean, I like the suit. What do you think of the suit so far? I mean, I think it looks incredible. It's what I've wanted out of Wolverine this entire time. You know, and I understand why they went. excuse me a different direction.

If I'm not mistaken, the ones that they went with in 2000 are reminiscent of the ultimate X-Men, right? The Ultimate X-Men, right? The Ultimate X-Men, and the new X-Men run from Grant Morrison from Quiley as well. Yeah, so I get it. And, you know, the black leather and all that, like, that's cool. But, like, there is something very specific that burns in my brain about old-school X-Men,

old-school 90s animated series, like trying to see Wolverine in this blue and yellow. If there's a Cyclops, I'm trying to see him in his blues with, like, the little strap, like Storm and her full white, like, you know what I'm saying? 90s Jim Lee X-Men, man. That's what I'm trying to see. And so to finally see that,

even if it is going, which you hit the nail on the head, everything that I've seen at this point, especially the announcement of Electra, because that happened right after we finished taping. I called it back a collider. This is a thousand percent Deadpool kills the Fox universe, because you,

this is all that. This is all of that. They necessarily kill. kills them or like why we call it a Marine I think it's an incursion event I think that Deadpool accidentally ends entire universes and he's trying to stop it I think Deadpool messes up and they're culling the timelines like in Loki so I think Deadpool at the end of Deadpool 2 when he takes the time turner and he steals cables thing I think the reason TVA is chasing him is he's accidentally destroying entire universes and they're having to clip

them because he's causing so much problem so I think he's killing them in the way that he's like accidentally destroying entire universes and that'll that'll lean it out I think it's going to clean up a lot of continuity I think it's going to make a lot more linear, more like what they just did with flash. I also think that, and to slightly correct you just sort of timeline-wise, the new X-Men from Grant Morrison, Quaritanly, that I mentioned, and also X-Men, Ultimate X-Men

came out in 2000. So they would have been filming this in 98-99 because it came out in 2001. So I think it was more based off of Blade. Off of Blade? Because Blade went black leather. I think the X-Men were like, oh, that did well. Do you know what I mean? That would make sense. Because I think the comics actually copied the movie. And that would make sense,

and I think a lot of that, like, they were maybe just trying to streamline it and figuring out how they wanted how to get marketable. And that also in the sense that like Nick Fury, for example, had always been like an older grizzled white dude. Right. When they decided to cast Sam Jackson, then he became the ultimate Nick Fury.

Yeah. And then kind of became the staple going forward. Yeah, it's funny how the comics actually started reflecting the movies because Marvel was so on uneven ground. And that's what I think is interesting about this movie in particular is you're cleaning up not just a movie or two. The Fox universe was ample. Like there was 10 of those movies.

They had their own continuity. They were all tied in together. So I think it's going to be really fun since we know Electra's in since we assume Daredevil's going to be in it. You can give... You think Affleck will sign up? I do. I think he's in play mode because of...

I hope so. I think it also depends on... I think he's got a pretty good relationship with Garner still. Yeah, I think that would be... They raise their kids together. Yeah, they co-parent. I just don't...

I mean, there were reports at one point that they were like, you know, I think he said something on Stern that... I don't remember. I don't get into the personal stuff, but I'm sure that they've since worked it out. I hope...

What I love is that everybody's talking about the comedy. Everybody's talking about how fun it'll be. Everybody's talking about cameos. interesting is the first Deadpool is one of those heartfelt superhero movies. It's got one of the best love stories. People forget that Deadpool, especially with Ryan Reynolds, is so heartfelt. This kind of gives us an ending to Fox.

And that feels like to me in my head. I'm like, man, I love these characters. I'm really excited to say bye, not with new mutants. You know what I really want? Because I know he technically was in days of future past at the end there, but I want them to revive James Marsden just to re-kill him. Oh, I'd love that. How funny would that be where it's like he shows up right when Cyclops dies just to remirder.

Dude, I would love him. If anybody would do it. Because he's legitimate love Cyclops. I want to see him. Him in a full comic accurate outfit is the dream. He comes back to life just long enough. And spoilers for Deadpool 2, but it's been years. Because I know people got, and understandably so, got mad at me about the Indian and Joe's thing.

I was able to cut it. I saw that. Finally. But a couple of people in comments are like, really Winston, I'm like, my bad. I got a little too ahead of myself. But in Deadpool 2, when he gets that whole X-14 together and they all died to start the mission, I would love for Marsden to have that moment. Well, you know, I think that with the other, who is the other, Evan Peters will probably show up.

Yeah. I hope Kelsey Grammer shows up as beast. I feel like that would be fun too. I just want to hear both Wolverine and Scott yelling, jean, like in the animated series. I want lots of jeans. Either way, we're going to see it. The images are up now. You can check out.

There's other things that are going to continue to come out about this movie. It's becoming more and more highly anticipated. The question again for every one of these projects we keep talking about is how much the sag strike now is going to, we knew that the writer's strike was pushing things back. How much is the sag strike going to hurt? All right, next one. All right, we're talking about Bob Eager. And so he, the big news here is Disney, this is from comic book movie. Disney CEO, Bob Eager believes Marvel Studios, Disney Plus TV shows have diluted focus and attention. It's a good thing to say why you still have secret invasion on the air. Disney CEO, Bob Eiger has addressed the missteps made by Marvel Studios under Bob Chapix

watch. Suggesting an increase in streaming content may have diluted the excitement. for the MCU titles among fans. Now, since this is from Josh Wilding, since the Infinity Saga ended, there's been an understandable decline in the quality of Marvel Studios' output. While the MCU remains a long way of the dire straits the DC-EU has found itself in,

the franchise is no longer critic-proof and has even delivered some commercial disappointments. Many fans have blamed a sudden increase in releases with a seemingly endless stream of Disney Plus TV shows creating a quantity over-quality approach by storytelling. Yesterday evening, the news broke that Disney CEO, Bob Iger has extended his contract and will remain until 2026. Kathleen Kennedy is going to be there until 2035.

I'm just kidding. It's new which has been welcomed by Wall Street at a time. The company is facing declining theme park attendance and some newsworthy box office flops. Despite being billed as a vital chapter in the multiverse saga, Antman and the Was, for example, failed to even reach 500 million world. wide and found itself skewered by critics. Iger has chimed in and believes

where Marvel Studios has gone wrong. Iger says, there's been some disappointments we would have like some of our more recent releases to perform better. It's reflective, not as a problem for a personal perspective, but I think in our zeal to basically grow our content significantly to serve

mostly our streaming offerings, we ended up taking our people way beyond in terms of their time and their focus way beyond where they had been. Marvel is a great example of that. they had not, they had not been in the TV business at any significant level. Not only did they increase their movie output, but they ended up making a number of TV series, and frankly, it diluted focus and attention.

That is, I think, more of the case than anything. Let's stick to these comments, and not the other stuff that we were talking about. He's right. He's 100% right. I think that he, like, when it comes to, this is, we've said as much, right? There's way too much that they put out. too many, the movies themselves went, because someone said,

I was talking about this conversation with a friend of mine, we were talking about Star Wars. And what my friend had said was, he's like, well, you know, the problem is Star Wars isn't that special anymore. And they're putting out too much and the movies.

And I go, they haven't been a movie on 2000, since 2019. And when they were putting out a movie every year, nobody would have said anything if the movies would have been great. Right. Because Marvel was putting out great stuff and a lot of great stuff,

maybe some stuff that I thought was great, but a lot of stuff that was making money and people that really enjoyed from like 2008 to like 2019. So when they're putting two movies out a year, but at one point, nobody was saying anything. Right.

Because they were delivering. Yeah, that's what I was gonna, my only retort is that quality and quantity when possible doesn't have that problem. I think it's a quality issue. And I think that what he's saying about taxing people by overworking him

and all that is the problem. Like if you look at the CGI issues. That adds into the bad quality. Right. So like if you look at like, was it Black Panther the third act where they had to go work on the next thing when that's why the CGI wasn't finished?

And like, there's certain movies where it's like, well, they left that day. And that is because they had the next thing and the next thing and the next thing. And then one of them was they had to go work on Maconda Forever. And it was kind of the reverse problem where Wakanda Forever was taking the

big brunt of the jobs. So you just can't allow the double stacking like that. And if you've got TV shows that deserve a certain amount of quality and they're not getting them or if you have people not watching the shows to make a sequel movie, then you clearly are going to have a net negative impact on the overall thing.

And Marvel isn't like other movies. It is one serialized thing. So if half your episodes aren't working anymore, it's going to make the whole thing feel less good and less like an epic event. I think it's an issue. I'm split. I think that there is a lot of truth in the statement, but I think there's two things that have happened that I think really have something to do with it. I think one of the major ones, I understand the pandemic happened. You have trained audiences to not go to the movies. You have honestly trained. That's a business in general, right. So to try and say that the

shows or directly causing the downfall of the movies is incorrect. You made the decision that I was going to put this out on our streaming platform in 90 days. And so because of that, why would I go to the box office with my kitten? You can say this better than I would. A family of four, isn't it roughly if you took the whole family, a kitten caboodle, at least a hundo. Close to it. Close to it. But the only thing is I think he's less saying about that it's hurting the movies as much as he's

saying it's hurting the brand. Okay. Because that's where I stand into it because I do think that if there's so many of these different things that, or maybe it's like, and the other thing we've talked about many times, when Figey says, you don't need to see Wanda Vision,

and clearly you should watch Wanda Vision. And it's like, but that's what Iger's also saying. You're asking these people to do all this stuff. There's so much of it. So you don't have to do as much, but I think that's part of the problem is why is Wanda Vision better than Dr. Strange?

Right. And those are supposed to be connected. Why is Loki better than Thor 11 Thunder? And I know Loki didn't show up in Love and Thunder, but we associate Loki with Thor. You know what I'm saying? Like, not all the shows have been hits, and I get that. But why is it then if that, if that's what the problem is that you're getting better out of some of these TV show properties than you're out of people? I think it's better than a lot of Marvel movies.

You know what I'm saying? So I agree that there is too much. We have all come to that same consensus that there, I think we got very excited about the idea of like being able to have the entirety of the buffet. And now that we have the buffet on our plate, I'm like, I'm not going to finish half of this. That's the thing is it's just an abundance. And that's why I agree with the quote. But I also, I think people aren't taking to account the streaming problem.

I think streaming killed movie theaters. It hasn't, it's not dead yet, but it's got a death rattle in its voice. And that worries me because I do think that 45-day window was abuse to cinema. And when it was day and date, like, that's why Nolan left WB. Yeah, and I loved every second of it, but I understand why we're saying. Exactly. We were on the way here. We were literally in the way.

We were like, yeah, this is going to be a tricky conversation. I know where you're coming from. I, there's, in no world do I think it was good business. Right. It was terrible business, but I loved every second. As a parent and as a dude that's like, I'm done going outside. I get it. I'm going, well, I'm going to stick around with my wife and when she wants to watch the new release.

I can, why are we watching it home? And that's what I understand how people love it, but I do think it is an unsolvable, the jeeys out of the bottle. 100%. So it's bigger than just the shows. Yeah, there's a little, I don't think he's just saying. I don't, I don't take that read that he's just saying the show. I think that, but what I say, using your analogy of like the, you know, the buffet, right? It's like when they started the buffet, it was like, you ever go to the Vegas Casino buffet?

They're delicious. Because they're putting all their effort into it. If you start franchising it and putting it all over the place, you're not going to have the same chefs doing it all the time. It's going to be diluted and it's going to be a franchise thing. I think what they honestly should have done. They were doing what? They were doing three movies a year. It should, they should really just cut it down.

Three movies, three shows. Call it. Like, because the problem. That's a lot, dude. Three movies, three shows a year? Yeah. It's a lot. Well, the problem was, if I'm.

remember correctly when we really started to hit into issues we had Wanda Vision Loki Captain America Civil War or Captain America and the Winter Soldier Hawkeye what if that was five TV shows on top of yeah they did pull that back immediately on top of Doctor Strange Spider-Man like Thor 11 you know what I think two and two I think two and two I think because the problem is that the two and two right now the movies just aren't at the quality to deserve three and and if you want to do that I would be fine with that too but I also think that then needs to happen, that TV show needs to be directly related to that movie.

A hundred percent. You cannot say this show has nothing to do with this. That was the whole point that we thought it was. It's like these connected things. It's like, hey, the writers, you guys, you guys watch, for Dr. Strange, you guys watch the show, right? We just did, right? Nah. It literally, literally cool.

Wanda Vision is running from February until like end of April or beginning of April. Let's connect it. And then as soon as that's done, in May, Dr. Strange drops. Well, but he also said, I mean, he used Marvel as the example, but I think he means all these things too. So he's, you know, obviously the stuff like, because Star Wars, they had a bunch of stuff that they were doing. I think Star Wars TV had

two a year. It's good for, good for Star Wars. You know, you put one in the, I mean, there's three this year, right? It was Mando, Skeleton Cruz, if they're still coming out at the end of the year, maybe it won't, but, and then Asoka. So there's three. I don't know without being able to do press on it if it should.

Because I think Skeleton Group needs awareness. It absolutely does, but it's supposed to come out at the end of the year, though. So maybe. Yeah. You wanted a two-month press. But Asoka, they put that trailer out in the right amount of time. Yeah, they did.

So you can do press on it? Can you do press on it? No, no, so they did. They did. Yeah, but that way it can't. That's it. So, like, so yeah, and that's, they're still going to be in Sacks strike.

So that's, and that's an interesting thing. Captain Marvel might be two. Oh my God. The Marvel. Oh, no. That's the last thing the Marvel's need. You're already trying. And you're also trying to get some of the cloud,

because people are still kind of, like, shitting on Captain Marvel. And it might not have press. You need to do like, oh. They would have to... I'm starting the movie's going to start to find itself on some big trouble. I think they needed to start that press store in September. I don't think this is over in September.

That was the first thing I thought this morning was the Marvel's not going to press. I didn't know it was going to be in big trouble. I love the team. I'm really worried. I also think it's going to be a sequel, so to speak, of secret invasion. And now, you know... It's going to be interesting. But, all right, let's scoot on over the next one.

All right, this is when we talked about when, with Mike, with his attitude. The only time he actually looked like he was cheery. was when he brought up this news. This is Superman Legacy cast three heroes, and this is from Garth Franklin over at Dark Horizons again. He hasn't cast Lex Luthor. He hasn't cast Jimmy Olson, but DC Studios co-chief James Gunn

is already filling out minor roles in the upcoming Superman Legacy at DC Studios. Three names have been added to the cast, each playing a version of a DC hero. First up, Castle and the rookie alum, Nathan Filion has been cast as Guy Gardner, one of the human incarnations of the Green Lantern, Phileon and Gunn are old friends

who've worked together on projects like Slyther and the Suicide Squad. Next up, Dora in the Lost City of Gold and Roseline actress Isabella Merced has scored the role of Hawkerl. Finally, E.D. Gathigi from the Blacklist, Twilight, and X-Men First Class, come on, man, has been cast as

Michael Holt slash Mr. Terrific. The trio joins David... That's for Darwin. That's right. Alongside Rachel Brosnahan, and then the focus of the film will be Superman balancing his Kryptonian heritage with the human upbringing. The character

is the embodiment of truth, justice and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's follow-ups to these stories too, but we'll stick with this. The cast, interesting cast to me, this is what I said, because I saw people kind of losing their minds going, and again, we'll follow up with the story, people going, I thought it was supposed to be a Superman standalone. What's with all these different characters? What's all these different things?

And I'm not going to lie, I felt that when I first saw it. I'm like, why are we putting Green Lantern in this? Why are we putting this in this? And who the hell is this guy? I never heard of this guy. Guy Friari? What's the guy? What's the guy gardener?

Guy Gardner. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and. And so, and so like, he, Guy Gardner shows up and I'm like, oh, it's filling in their buddies, so he's putting his buddy in another movie. And then I'm looking at the other cast, I'm like, this great, but like, what are we focusing on here? But then, you know, he responded, but I wanted to get you, why the choice to put Guy Fierry in this movie? So here's my only beef with this casting. I don't know if I agree with Nathan Philly and his guy, Guy Gardner is a douche. Nathan Philly.

Philly can play super douche. But he really comes more off as like a good guy. He can, I agree with you, but not the way Guy Gardner is like, you walk in here. I'll put you into, I'll bust your face. Like I don't read that off of Philean really in that regard. I think he could have been a great Hal Jordan or Kyle Raynor. Not Carl Rainer. Yeah, Kyle Warner.

Kyle Rainer. I could see Kyle Rainer. I can't see him as God. And so again, James Gunn knows his buddy. Taney knows how to cast, so I will shut up until I actually see it. I've learned that lesson. You taught me that with Robert Pattinson, so I'll be quiet. But from what I've heard essentially where this idea is going, and I don't necessarily hate this,

it sounds like we're not necessarily getting a Superman origin. We're getting a young Superman. This sounds like it might be a justice society situation, and that Superman doesn't agree with how things are kind of going with the team. So in the way you would look at like Civil War, yes, Civil War felt like Avengers 2.5, but if you strip a lot of that away, it really is Captain America chasing after Bucky to protect his friend

and you just happen to see the other avengers come in there at some point. But Coy, what do you think with this? Because if that's the case, right? If the, let's say, Winston just said there, you're establishing a new Superman here and a new Lois and then you're kind of throwing this kind of intergalactic thing to the side.

Isn't that a little too much? So what I thought immediately was people aren't discussing the specificity of which characters we just heard are in this. People are saying, oh my god, it's not just Superman. To me, this is the DC who's already going to be established. Superman is going to be in this DC universe, not as an origin, but he's going to be in a world that's already got heroes. The way I see this as, Mr. Terrific is an incredible character that is hyper-intelligent, the first to third smartest man in the DC universe, depending on who you ask.

But he's got this brusqueness about him because he's so smart, and he's like, he can out smart Batman. That's a very key note. Guy Gardner, bit of a dick. So he's a guy that's not very pleasant to be around. He's got some warmth in him deep, deep down, but he's overall like a stifler type. He's off-putting. He's a good guy. He's a dude. And then the Thurban Hot Girl is basically like a vigilante. She's violent.

She's aggressive. If you think about those three characters, those aren't people you'd want representing heroes. So you show the dichotomy between Superman who's aspirational. What if the heroes of the DC universe are a little off-putting? So the legacy of Superman is that he brings light to the universe. And then he's also said that Lois and Clark is one side of him. Superman and the Justice League is another side of him. You need that to be established in order to show that duality.

So I personally think the people aren't talking about which ones he's casted. Also justice for Darwin. And I heard metamorpho. Yeah, I said that's our next story. Yeah, we're going to get into that in a second, too. But so, and that's the thing with gun. Right now, he's firing off on all cylinders, right? Like, to me, Guardians 3 is my favorite out of all three guardians.

The Suicide Squad. You've come all the way around. Guardians 3? Because I thought you said that you still thought one maybe had it. for you and then three was kind of close behind. Have you? If I did say that, I didn't mean it. Guardians three to me

was, yeah, to me I loved every bit of Guardians. Guardians three, the Suicide Squad and a peacemaker are the, he's just doing it right now. He's on, he's on fire right now. And I, and even the Guardian's Christmas special, right? Which I was like, why are they doing that? And it was phenomenal.

So, it makes me wonder if now knowing with the strike, if Bob Eiger just has Nebulae Plague on Replete f***ing actors just like over and For real. Also, imagine being Agar right now. He fired James Gunn, and then James Gunn took a job for D.C. And they got...

It wasn't him, then. It was Alan Horn, I thought. Oh, was it Horn? I thought it was Horn that fired. I just still can't imagine being at Disney and being like that guy that we fired, who then got hired at the studio that literally made another director cut his movie like him. Like, all the layers of it. Like, David Ayer had to recut his movie to be more like James Gun.

James Gunn gets fired, joins D.C., and then they hire him full time, and now he's running DC. I thought it was... I could be completely wrong here, but I thought it was Horn that really wanted to get rid of him. because of everything, you know, the tweets and all that. And then Batista had his campaign, but then Feige kind of really took it to Eiger and then the guy, I don't know. I feel like Faggy had his back the whole time, right?

Like, from what I remember, Faggy and Gunn, like, they protect each other. 100%. Because they like care of their friends. From what I heard. But either way, either way. Okay. So I like it is the answer.

Yeah. So James Gunn, though, then started to get a lot of those questions. And people tweeting out of them, hey, what's going on? I thought this is a Superman movie and everything we just talked about. and then James Gunn also responded. There are a lot of people that are asking how many people were in this already.

And since, and again, Josh Wilding in a comic book movie, since we first learned that David Corencette will play Superman, and Rachel Brosnahan has been tapped to star lowest. The floodgates have opened on Superman Legacy Casting News. We got James Gunn talking about Isabella Merced as Hawk Girl, Edithi, Edithi as Mr. Terrific, Nathan Philean as Guy Gardner. And we'll talk about this in the second.

Anthony Kerrigan was metamorpho. These aren't characters. necessarily associate with Superman, and many fans have expressed concerns about the reboot being overcrowded. This is, after all, supposed to be the movie which reintroduces Superman to the world, and he shouldn't have to fight the likes of Green Lantern and Hawk Girl for the Spightlighter, too. So Gunn has responded, making it clear that these heroes are an important part of the story he's telling with Superman. The filmmaker also assured fans that Superman and Lois will remain the movie's clear protagonist, suggesting these characters are only making extended cameo appearances on Instagram.

the DC Studios co-CEO. C.E.O.C.O.C.O. two world.C. with Lois, Jimmy and Perry, and Superman with his meta-human compatriots. How could I tell a full story about Clark and Superman without including all areas of his life? It's a valid point, and one that seems many people haven't considered before now.

It remains to be seen whether Gunn intends to throw more superheroes into the mix, but the DCU is clearly one that already has its fair share of established do-goers. Superman legacy tells the story of Superman's journey to reconcile his Kryptonian heritage with his human upbringing as Clark Kent of Smallville, Kansas, reads the movie's synopsis.

He is the embodiment of truth, justice, and the American way, guided by human kindness in a world that sees kindness as old-fashioned. All right, look, it does seem again, like we're just talking about with gun. He's not just throwing things up the wall. He has a story and he has a take. Now, it's just a matter of opinion. If you're like, well, it doesn't matter. There's too many people I want to see it.

We're talking about with, like, the potential Spider-Man for. Right. How you and I want to see a spy. Spider-Man movie, I think you do too, a Spider-R-Movie that's less about the MCU and more about almost like what Ramey did with Spider-Man to do that with Tom Holland. Yeah, I love that. That would be great. They're not going to do that, but I'd love to see that.

And that's kind of what I thought we were getting with Superman. And Guns not necessarily saying we're not. He's just saying, be aware that Clark has his stuff going on, but Superman's also, we have to establish that this world exists in RDC. What better way to show how small town someone is? is that by having a Mr. terrific, a guy with a power ring

and a woman from a Fenegarian. Like to me, the one they've announced, and metamorpho, the people they've announced so far just show a duality. So I think it won't be distracting. He's described this as a workplace comedy.

So I really think it's going to be 90%. Workplace comedy? Is that what he said? Yeah, I think one of his quotes was like, he described it as like, you know, that's where it's centered.

It's going to be Jimmy Lois and the daily planet. Workplace comedy? Is that what you said? I think so. I hate that. Sorry if I broke you. I think that's what I heard. I hate that.

So, I mean, it's going to be that world, and then the outside world is the loud superhero element. And that, that, I think is going to be smaller. I don't want, like, this one, look, I think James Gunn is hilarious. I think his sense of humor and the jokes that he tells, even in Guardians 2, which I've come around on more so, but I still think there's way too many jokes in it,

albeit funny jokes, but I think that I don't want to, I know that he likes to, I know he's funny. I know he likes to throw jokes in it, as opposed to Michael Bay, who should never put a joke in anyone. But he... Just let Martin Lawrence and Will Smith do the jokes. Right.

But he's put, don't start making a whole, don't make Superman a comic. I'll find the quote. It might be wrong. I hope him wrong. But yeah, no workplaces. I, it, you know, because the funny thing is you mentioned all of his greatest hits right now. So what, the suicide squad. They all call for it, though.

Sure. Yes. And I think, I think it might be one of the things that would potentially work if you don't go full like love and thunder with it. Right. So if you, so if you. I think he knows better. So if you go from a standpoint of like... Pick a character.

Maybe Jimmy Olsen's funny. It should always be comic relief. It doesn't be this serious, you know, brooding movie. I'm fine with him being at the Daily Planet being funny, but not everybody having to be a comedian. That's what I'm saying. So, like, Lois could be a hard ass, and that by itself makes it funny.

And he makes a multiple... Her comedic timing is great. Yes. What I always bring up is people always say, you know, like, Star Wars humor. That is not about as false of a statement ever. I like Star Wars human that feels like it's relevant to what's going on. And the two examples I use all the time is one old school and one current.

The Han Solo moment in episode four when he's there, they're storming the, you know, trying to get the princess out of the thing. Boring conversation. We're fine. How are you? He doesn't know what to do and he shoots it. It shows who he is. It shows this moment of like just ridiculousness of like, I'm trying to, this isn't

working. And he shoots it. And it shows that's part of the circumstance. And it's a funny moment. And then the other one that I was, is the Mandalorian season one. When he's sitting there talking to the Jawa's and the Jawa's are talking of his language and he starts to try to talk Jawa to him and like his jawa, he's terrible. He's like, well, how about this?

You understand this? And he tries to light one of them on fire, right? And like, relevant to the scene. Yeah. So if it's relevant to the scene and it's relevant to who they are, sure. I mean, there's a lot of funny moments there. How many did we've laughed at like, you know, 15 times in this alone. So, yeah.

I guess, I guess it's funny you mentioning like current moments and I know people are going to be like, that's the moment you chose for. me it was Finn trying to negotiate with BBA8 being like, bro, please just lie for me. BBA goes, and he goes, joy, please. And I'm like, okay, that was to work for me. But I, yeah. But yeah, but whatever

it might be, if it's relevant to the moment, and they can do it, as long as it's, like, like I said, with Guardians too, it's like, there were a lot of funny jokes, but it's like, okay, it's just joke machine city here. If it turns into workplace comedy with, well, here's Perry White, and Perry White's doing jokes, and it's like, oh, no. I don't

think it would go that way, even with that descriptor. I think it's just him trying to differentiate his movie. So he's saying more of a buzzy. Almost like where the first Spider-Man Homecoming was like John Hughes. Right. You have to give a statement of title. The humor has made, I love, I like the choice of gun, but the

one thing about it's like this. What's the comedy going to look like in everything? I think one of the most fascinating things is we had, what yesterday was a day before, where we had three giant trailers come out. We have all these castings coming out. It's just, I've never seen a year where it was so clearly Comic-com was set up to be huge. Like, you can clearly see all these

people coming out on stage. Like I can picture Anthony Kerrigan as a metaphor. I can picture and I'm like oh what would have been. Great call by the way because you because you know that was part of the plan when they announced Gunn and Safran like yeah and then we're going to take Comic Con by storm. We're going to get 12 people on that stage. Right? Isn't that insane?

Like this was literally going to be them announcing an entire justice. I see George Carlin come out bullshit. I'm seeing I'm seeing James coming in like all right y'all I got this whole plan man I actually know if I'm going to cast. I got everybody ready. They said they get down the streets. Yeah, exactly.

There's actually not a Comic-Con. Hall-Age Warner Brothers panels. Also, like Warner Bros. A three-minute Blue Beetle trailers clearly made for a Comic-Con. That trailer was overlong, too. Like, it's literally they were a Comic-Con cut we got. Absolutely.

What do you, we just talk about that. We'll just talk about that in a second. Guess you can't do press. I know. You know what's so funny, I was writing him the other day. And I was like, oh, okay, I haven't come in. I'm like, nope. Right?

Isn't that the weirdest? I did that because I didn't do it. You can't do shit. Yeah. And his movie comes out in August. There's no way it's done by then. That sucks. We'll talk about the time before.

What's this guy? Who's the... Anthony Carrigan from... I reckon I know from Barry, but what's the character? Metamomomomu? Metamorpho. He can become elements. So...

So, Stag, this guy... What's Stag's first name? Not Walter. Oh, yeah, the rich guy. Victor? Anyway, this guy Stagg, billionaire, who actually is so about profits, he's making. He's trying to make a formula to help make super soldiers and stuff like that. It goes grossly wrong.

decides to use it on at least the way that it was told. So this guy's bad guy? He misunderstood bad guy that actually is a good guy. Because long story short, at least how it's told in Justice League and Justice League Unlimited, the cartoon that came out of the 2000s, it was he was dating the dude's daughter. And he's like, I don't like that you're dating my daughter. So he ended up doing an experiment on him. And he becomes a bad guy because he thinks that John Stewart is getting with his girl.

Right. So there's that. But it's essentially that stag. Charles Stewart, the actor. Welcome to the daily show. I'm sleeping with your wife. But essentially that he gets caught in an experiment gone wrong. And at first he drifts between anti-hero and hero in the sense because he's misunderstood

because he feels like a freak. It's this whole idea. But he's a good dude. He's good. And he's perfect to play him. I mean, yeah. And just from the description alone. Yeah.

No-ho Hank. Sounds perfect. Okay. Well, then, you know, let's get to, Let's get to Blue Beetle real quick. All right, Blue Beetle, trailer comes out. As, as Coy said, it's a longer trailer. As you said that, it made all the sense in the world.

That was probably what we were supposed to see for Comic-Con. Warner Brothers has a panel with Wanka with Blue Beetle, and then you bring out the Justice League. So they released all those. That's why they all came out one day. And Blue Beetle came out. So I'll tell you, as you guys know, and I always put the cards on table for the audience.

Show Limited is a friend of the show. I have been written a friend of the show. I have been written from since the beginning. I think he looks great in it. I think that it could, what I got from this last trailer is this. I think, and this is just kind of me reiterating my points if you guys haven't heard it.

I think that if they hit the family dynamic in the same way that maybe like Shazam 1 did, right, then this movie could really work. It doesn't look different. It looks kind of like we've seen it before. And I hated the grandma spy kids ending. I thought it was, I'm like, let's,

no bits. Let's establish who this guy is. Let's establish who this kid is because he looks fantastic in it. I think the relationship with him and his dad, George Lopez,

great hair in this, in his trailer, by the way. But yeah, it runs the risk. You can always look like, oh, I've seen it before, but you can make it different.

I mean, a lot of movies have had the same kind of formula. So I thought there's some things I was concerned about and other things I thought look good. say you. I didn't watch it. You didn't

see the trailer. I intentionally I will watch like the first like teaser trailer or maybe even the second. Because you won't have to talk about it on a show like this. It's not. I'm going to avoid that thing we do in this. I could tell. I could still be a part of the conversation. I just don't.

So you like the bit at the end. Yeah. Part of the conversation. He's definitely got such a dude. I should play guy. His input is guy who hasn't seen it. You'd be perfect. True. But no. I just throw a bull cut on him. Just in the sense, because I know Assoca dropped one, and you said Wonka, like, I just, I was just very particularly, it was just like, I don't want, every trailer I've seen when they start to get to this phase, you give way too much.

It gives away way too much. And it, to the point where the last one that burned me was quantum man. I would have done the same thing, but I hope, I'm on a show. I'm on a show on Friday. That makes sense. Three guys. I feel like they're informed about these things. You did watch it.

Yeah, I did. I enjoyed, you know, I just feel like as a guy that does this kind of commentary, I should comment on what I'm concerned. It's an idea. I know, I know. We're all very busy. But the trailer itself, I really like the, I love the physicality that show against his show. That was the guy for me. He's such a good martial artist and he's trained so well.

And I love that since the suit is practical, it feels like there's actually weight in it because he's in it doing things. And I really like that Blue Beetle looks like he's actually a person in a suit versus a CGI one and zeros. So that was a highlight for me. I also really am hopeful that it's got those Gaver vibes that it seems to. The guyver vibes and what I also

the other thing, I'm glad you said that about like the suit and the way it looked. I thought that if you look at something like, we've all, we all like the flash on here, but we all agree that some of the CGI was laughable. They spent $120 million on Blue Beetle

and I thought the CGI look fantastic. It looks expensive. Yeah. That was one of the first things I thought was this movie looks expensive. I did see one trailer and I will say. From what you saw. Yeah.

I mean in that, like he looked like he was rolling around Bentley, so I can agree with that. See, I'm part of the conversation. Winston's got some input from two months ago. So go back in time, go to two months and talk about that trailer. Yeah, let us know how that trailer worked out. But I never get to get to get it.

It feels weird, good, but weird, bad at the same time. Let it out. Oh, do I have? No, I was going to do something to Winston. Oh, okay. So what the fuck, you, you. The, I'm a, the, I'm a mother. I love the idea that the timing was just off so that was only swearing.

I love the idea that the beeps are just like YouTube's like, what's it? But yeah, I enjoyed it. I am worried a bit about the comedy in points, but I think... Did you like that grandma a bit? I laughed, but then I felt bad about laughing. Right. Did you see the spy kids? You see what I'm talking about the spy kids?

Oh, I did. But what's funny is in the moment. I was like, ah. And then I was like, I don't know if I love that joke or if it just got me in the moment. And that's what I'm worried about is this looks like it skews younger, which is fine. and great, but it shouldn't be at the cost of the adult audience. Yeah, I agree. Well, we'll see. I mean, look, I'm obviously rooting for that movie.

Same. Huge. And, but it's a major hit. It's a major hit to not be able to promote that movie. Major hit, like, because they need to promote that. Especially, Sholo is so likable. Yes. And he is so good on the mic. He's got his own podcast. He's got all these different things. And he is not going to be able to be out there to promote this movie.

Every con. That's a bad thing. These are the, in my opinion, These are the two movies, DC and Marvel, in The Marvels and Blue Beetle that they needed press more than 80. Now, Marvel still has a shot. The Marvel still have a shot. If they end this.

Yeah. I mean, because look, the Marvels have a much better shot because you're looking at November. Right. So you had a much better shot. Little Beatles in big trouble. Blue Beatles should have already started pressed. They've done some, like, Joe Lowe's done that. Did you see his freestyle?

Yeah. And I was like, okay, that's going to make the rounds. That was solid. See, I saw that? Why didn't you talk about it? Oh, Shillows freestyle. That's true. It's not going to do with the comedy.

It's for the movie. So to me, like every con I do, Sholo's a highlight because he's so personalable and he cares about fans so much. Like he's a guy that'll be on the front lines talking for an extra hour. And that's what this movie needed is exactly the human element of Sholo. So without that, I'm just going to watch that freestyle a lot. Yeah, it's going to be a rough one. All right.

We still, again, lots of stuff to talk about still. Let's stick with James Gunnow. I know we're still in the D.C. so Blue Beetle counts. James Gunn seemingly confirms that the suicide squad will not be part of the new DCU canon. James Gunn appears, again, this is Mark Cassidy now over a comic movie.

James Gunn appears to have confirmed that the suicide squad will not remain part of the new DCU canon, which will begin with Superman legacy. But what about Waller and Peacemaker? We know that the DCU, currently being developed by Gunn and Safran, will serve as a relaunch of Warner Brothers, previously DC Comics-based universe. but will it be a full reboot

or will some characters remain on board. Conflicting reports have led to a lot of confusion, especially when we know that Gunn will soon be working on a second season of Peacemaker and a spinoff focusing on Viola Davis as Amanda Waller. Both of those characters originated in the Suicide Squad, so surely Gunn's most recent requal will be canon, right? Responding to a fan on social media

who was curious about Nathan Philean taking on the role of Guy Gardner and Superman Legacy after already playing TDK with TDK in the Suicide Squad. Gunn seemingly confirmed that the events of this film will not remain canon in the DCU. Gunn says, DC studios, movies, and Canon start with Superman legacy. Seems pretty cut and dry if it wasn't for those aforementioned the Suicide Squad's spin-off shows.

Will Sina and whoever reprises the role simply playing new versions of their old characters or does Gunn plan to develop these projects separately from the movies and TV shows? And Gunn also indicated we haven't seen the last of Margo Robbie's take on Harley Quinn, so we're left with a lot of questions. Okay. So this is my thought on it, and I want to get you guys to either counter, agree, disagree. I think that when they, and we, I think we've discussed this when they were coming in,

I think that James Gunn knows that when we had a flash coming out, Aquaman's coming out, Blue Beals coming out. These are movies that were before his time, but they needed to try to make some money on it. Because someone asked me recently, a viewer, was like, why don't they just scrap it and do what they did, Batgirl? Back girl they took the loss on and tried to get tax breaks on, right? These are movies that cost, the flash cost $250 million, whatever it must take,

and they made, what they make, maybe $200 million, maybe, not even that much. But at least they put something in the bank account. There's a loss, but they put something in the same thing with these other movies. So they got to say, the door is open, the door is open. You never know who can come back because then people go, oh, maybe I'll see this if it's going to count. And maybe they very well, and that's why they also mention else worlds. So I think the suicide squad, I think peacemaker, I think, or I guess they're not to do another suicide squad, but peacemaker, Harley Quinn for Margo Rubin, I think it's all else worlds.

I don't think it's going to any of it. I think it's two separate things. I think Waller, they had this deal going on with Viola Davis. You don't want to say, oh, we're just kidding to Viola Davis. You want to do something with Viola Davis. So you say, well, we'll do like an Elseworld thing. So I think all that stuff is Alt's World. I think Peacemaker's Season 2 ends the entire thing.

and I think that he's being accurate and kind of coy, if you will, that we're not going to see... You're doing too much, Dad. You're doing too much. That's true. But I'm telling him we're not going to see... I don't think we're going to see these in DCU

because I think that that's when you've got people like me going, well, wait, why is Galga Dote in that? But Caval's not. Why is he in there? It's like, push them all the side, make them else worlds. Do we have to do? And if you're going to embrace and embrace it, don't make you confuse it.

But what do you think? I agree. I think it is interesting because of the timing, like, to announce your first slate and include things from an else world from the past. A new else world, you can be like, okay, this is new, this is clean. Like, I think Swamp thing is going to be tied in, but it could have been an else world. That's one thing, but Waller is so tied to the DC EU by way of Cavill by way of the Suicide Squad. It seems odd to announce that with your new slate.

And like, Peacemaker is a sequel to something that was already cooking. The Waller one's confusing. Because to me, it's like, you're starting a new, journey with a thing that's... Do they make her Waller but revamped like a different... I don't know if you can with the audience after Flash.

I feel like Flash showed the lack of interest and I know a lot of people are like you know, I support the Snyder stuff and I love Zach Snyder. I've talked about it but I don't think people have showed up so I think if you keep doing stuff that's confusing the audience it's going to be problematic to your overall bottom line.

You got to disconnect. Got to disconnect. Yeah. And granted these are two TV shows that might help Yeah, because it's the same way that the penguin is in elseworlds. Right. But like Waller and Peacemaker being TV helps it not distract from the Superman movie. Yeah. Well, look, it's the same way that they've always had else worlds. I just haven't called it.

Like the Flash TV show, Arrow, all that stuff was all else worlds or all different that connected to other stuff. It's the same thing. It's just you have, it's better quality. Yeah, I think that's the thing that helps them is that they're on TV versus in theater. I do think it's going to be somewhat confusing. Yeah. What do you think? Well, I haven't watched Peacemaker Season 2. All the I don't know. I don't know if I have an opinion on this. I have no idea. No idea what Grandpa said in this one. So I just kind of have you not seen Peacemaker?

I've seen it. Oh, you did. No, no. I'm saying that was well played. That was well played. You couldn't comment. He's making a joke on us. That was making a back. That was actually a well play. It was nice enough. Nice enough. No, no. Too sure. Did you believe me all you want? No, but I, I genuinely. think it's just that. You guys pretty much hit the nail on the head. You had something that worked really well. You've already kind of signed this off with Viola Davis. I'm not saying that it's like okay to like piss off Henry Cavill, but you really don't want to piss off Viola Davis. But it's also a television show. That's the difference. Right. For two things. One, you can, you have someone of Viola Davis's caliber to really build off of a character to close out and you're

not taking, I mean, this will cost money. But it's, but it's different where you're taking this shot inside of a streaming series because you're like, okay, we have more content now with an incredible act, one of the best working today. And we're not having to worry about box office numbers hurting the, you know. Exactly. And you also throw in the fact

that the difference between Cavill per se and Gao versus peacemaker, Waller with Viola, the Batman, Joker, Falia Duh. those were already in motion. There was nothing in motion to do next with Henry Cabell.

So that you're kind of... Well, it depends on who you talk to. Sure, but you know what I'm saying? We're like, season two was already well underway for its development for peacemaker. You know what I mean? Follyadu was already given the green light and they were already like in that,

like, you may have been at the inklings of doing Manistiel 2 or whatever else, but you hadn't really gone to it. Well, but the other... Look, also call it what it is. James Gunn had a clear, idea that he wanted to do Superman. He doesn't, I mean, he didn't say it in this way.

He's buddies with Zach Snyder, but I think he's like, okay, Zach did this kind of darker version. I want to go more traditional, and I think Henry's too tied to this, so I'm going to do this. And people like myself, again, what about wise gal? Because we can still use them in stuff right now. We can still put in me there. They're still coming out for Flash.

You're still into the Flash stuff. They're in those things. And we don't know what we're doing with all this Elseworld stuff yet, but I know that I'm starting with this. I get the philosophy behind it. I really do, but I'm just saying, as Coy and I just mentioned, shut it down.

Yeah, shut it down. The better, excuse my mouth on. I was just the better move, you're right, just cut it all off. Just cut it all off and just be done with it.

But let these elseworlds things play, they're already announced. I also think elseworld is a strength of DC. It's just I wouldn't do an elseworld tied to an old continuity. That's what I'm saying is like, peacemaker, I don't,

I know there's the scene with all of them in the shows, but I don't associate it with the DCEU. When I think of it, I think of the team we met and we followed and that's fine. I get that we saw her in Shazam, whatever, but I don't associate it. So do a season two.

It's on TV. I won't feel connected to it. Starting a new thing with Waller is the only one that I still want to watch it. I think Viola Davis plays a great waller. It's just doing two of them down the line. I think that's when you got to end it though, but it's weird to announce one. And I think Elsworlds overall,

like I think the Batman should do a third. I think the Penguin show is going to be a great asset. I think do more Elseworlds. I don't think you shouldn't do Elseworlds. I just think you shouldn't do Elseworlds tied to a thing that's cost you. Yeah. Agreed.

Are we going to switch over? I want to get to, I got to get to Marvel and this will be our last show. I mean, hold on. That's it, guys. It's over. We're done.

Motherf- Is this how we find out? That's it. I want to switch over to Marvel. There's one more story. All right, I have not shut up about the bear. It is the best show

on television. It really is. And one of the main reasons for that is the gentleman I'm about to talk about in just a moment. On comicbookmovemovie.

There's a rumor and or on the Punisher star Eben Moss Barak may be in line to play The Thing in Fantastic Four. For months now, it's Josh Wilden. We've been met with seemingly endless Fantastic Four casting rumors. It wasn't that long ago that so-called scoopers started claiming that the entire ensemble had been set by Marvel Studios, though it wasn't long before reports were refuted. In case you've forgotten, we've heard the plan was Adam Driver

to play Reed Richards, Margot Robbie, Assue Storm, Paul Meskell to Flame on his Johnny Storm and David Diggs to transform into the ever-loven blue-eyed Ben Grim the thing. And don't forget Antonio Banderas apparently is Galacticus. Well, now, coming from DCEU links, I guess on Reddit,

is reporting that Eben Moss-Barrack is set to play The Thing in Fantastic Four. The actors of Jewish descent and recently played Arvel Skeen in Andor. His past credits include The Punisher and Girls and while also receiving a nomination for a primetime Emmy word for outstanding supporting actor in a comedy series, I don't know about a comedy series,

for his work in The Bear. Skeen is no means a household. Name the Thing could be a role that he really makes his own. An actor who plays Ben Grim, he calls Ben Grim, he calls him Skeen, Sken's his character's name. An actor who plays Ben Grim will be required to bring the hero to life with motion capture, making a physically demanding part, which is going to live or die in their performance. Again, grand assault from the rumor, but I see this. I think this is brilliant to I think this is brilliant casting. And yes, it has a lot to do with the fact that I'm so just kind of in the, in the, in the, in the weeds, if you will.

Right behind. Yeah, to the bear. But I think this is great. This guy is, he's, he is probably the star season two. I mean, really think he is. I think, I mean, even going back to Punisher season two, he stole scenes like micro, man. I've never seen Punisher one or two. I've never seen one or two.

I only saw a Punisher in Daredevil. In Daredevil. I didn't realize there was a season. Dude, season one of punisher is one of the best. And season two is okay. It literally is on my list. It says watch Punisher. So he's micro in that and he's incredible.

I'm assuming that might be how John Bernthal became part of the bear. It probably seems like it. It makes a lot more sense. But he's got the eyes. I know it's weird, but like what you want to see the depth of the eyes underneath the CGI and the mocap. There's so much emotion in that guy's eyes. He's got the aggressive warmth.

where you want to love this guy. I can see him in the humanoid form being a bit of a grunt that just knows Reed through like, you know, working like the pilot angle. It's perfect. I think he's, this is amazing. It goes also back to the fact of the things we've been talking about lower budgets, right?

You get a guy like this that is an incredible, incredible actor and his price point ain't going to be too big right now. But the name recognition, like I always talk about, he's right between he's like, he's more face recognizable than name recognize. That's what I'm saying. Like you go like, oh, that guy, but it's not yet.

Household. And now that they're grabbing, because he's getting nominated for Emmys and the bear's starting to get, you're starting to hear the bear more in conversation now. He's going to be recognized, and especially in roles like this. But Winston,

what do you think? Because you're not watching the bear, but you saw Andor. Yes. You saw him in Andor, so you're somewhat familiar with him. I am. I mean, I recognize the actor from the Punisher.

I recognize him from a, he's literally, there was a great ad campaign of like, I'm an actor, and you don't, you're trying to put my name to my name to my phone. based right now, but you can't do it. He did that? He was in one of those, but that's how I, he's literally that. That's so funny.

What, Pam, not Pam Greer, Pam, Archer, no, no, no, Archer and Arrested Development. Also, Ant Man, the wife of... Pam Greer. Is it Pam Greer? Her wife of who? She plays a play of Scott Lang. Ex-wife. Is it her name Pam Greer? Is it Pam Greer?

No, Judy Greer is the Black Woman. No, no, no, that's all it was Jackie. Yes, thank you. But it was a Greer. That's a three of me. Judy Greer. Roca knows that. Well, he, no, Roca lost the title to Riley because of Judy Greer. Really? Oh, dude.

I say all that to say that I have seen him in enough stuff that I'm sure he's phenomenal in the bear and I can't wait because it's also on my list of shows to watch right now. He is a phenomenal actor. That is the thing. There are people that like they'll give it to you like full physicality, all that kind of stuff. And he has that.

But it is specifically what you. mentioned before. It's everything he can do just with his eyes and with his face. You can see everything in it. And that is going to have to play for the thing. Like they said, because of mocap. I think of Gollum and everything that Andy Circus did with that. You need to have that kind of ability to pull that off. Brolin's Thanos. I think of the eyes of Thanos or why that character works. Circus and Toby Keble, both in the Apes movies as well. But yeah, I mean, everything that you just said, if you feel that way about him without seeing the Bear season too, Oh, wow.

The Bear season two might be one of the best seasons of television of all time. I'm not kidding. And I think, like, I love season one. Like, I love season one. I think season two is way better. Season one cemented it as, like, one of the best new shows. You should be watching it. Yeah, but season two cemented as, like, one of the best shows.

You talk about writers. You talk about writers. I mean, holy moly. Like, the way that they structure that show in general and what they do from one to 10 and then just kind of the journey it takes you on. But you've worked in restaurants, right? Did it give you a lot of PTSD like me? I had a lot of trauma come back up.

Yeah, but I worked at, you know, I was, might have been the worst server in the history of it. It would be, it would be slow. Like, I never forget this. It would be slow. And I worked at a California Pizza Kitchen in Santa Monica when it first opened. And it was like opening up and I had this one second. I never forget this.

And I had like four tables and, but nobody had come in yet. My section was like four or five tables. So this table comes in. And then, you know, sometimes if you're two, busy, you give them to other servers. Yeah. So this table comes in and they sit down, it's like a two, maybe three top. And I look at

one of the server, I go, you want that? That's your only table. Let's take it. I was the legit opposite. I was like, let me drown. So I started serving in Massachusetts. The minimum wage doesn't count for servers. So I made $2.36 an hour. So I'd lose money to

taxes, so I'd have to make all my money and then, like, you know, it's all, oh, that's crazy. So I'd try to to get like 10 tables. I'd take other people's sections. I'd stay extra time. So you're not surviving the strike then. Not for, not for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, I was saying the idea of, like, if we got to go back and you're like, no. No, I'm not going to go to.

Because I was, I was really, like, I'm the one thing that I did and I'm okay at hell of the story. I probably told it beforehand too. I didn't ever abide by the customers always right. Because when I was, I remember being at a table one time. And actually, they made this, this guy. And he was a group of like really. snobby rich people. They made this girl that I worked with a woman,

worked with cry because he was just really rude and just like, we're paying all this money. And notoriously bad tipper and everything too. So I was like, you know, I'll help take the table. She just didn't want to do it. So I was there and I took the table and I was being a, yeah, and I had just had a lot of spinach chip. All rolled up on spinach.

I did. I ripped it as I was taking the order. I just left and let him sit on it. Blame it in his mother-in-law. I just left them. Fuck them. We serve very differently. I respect that.

We were the different. We were other ends of the spectrum. Because that show gave me a lot of trauma. You're going to make someone cry. Yeah, yeah, that's it. You're going to be a dick because you make money. Fuck off. Here's some spinach stuff parts.

And you got it. And you blame her on your mother-in-law, 80-year-old woman, probably thought she did it anyway. And they didn't talk to grandma again. She didn't come back out to dinner. And that family was never the same. You bring your mother. I spent all this money.

She's farting in my fucking face. I try to get the guy to give me more wine. He won't do it. it. You get spinach farts. You mean spinach. Christian, breaking up families. That's right. Anyway. He's going to be great. If this is true, I know it's grain of salt, but this is incredible casting. It's also very on-branded Marvel casting where it's like, man, I ever thought it, now it's perfect.

Agreed. All right. Well, I hope you enjoyed the show. Spinish farts all day. So make sure you comment, click, like, do all that stuff. Please. I didn't, I don't know if you know this. What I started doing, as you guys know on, I have the live stream channel. I'm putting all the big thing clips on that channel. We've already started putting a lot of clips, so you're going to see some of the clips there. You might see it here. Sorry, you might see this particular clip over there. And they're doing well. So make sure you go over there, check it out.

And for Winston and Coy, Coy, where can I find you? I'm actually going to Comic-Con, unlike a lot of studios. But if you're down there, I have a Hall H panel. I'm hosting Hall H at 1215 Saturday, 1 o'clock, real rejects panel, 2 o'clock. Got a panel over across the way. I got a lot of panels. So come on down to San Diego Comic-Con. I would love to see and meet you guys in 3D.

also YouTube, TikTok, Twitter, Instagram. I will not be going to Comic Con because I'm going to have a sht. That's a f***. Ow, I swear to God. I swear to God. You don't see? This is how you know I'm your friend because you know what I could have done or you'd be like, oh, so you're going to shut the black guy up on that as what you can.

I've been waiting for that for 20 minutes. I've been waiting for that statement. For 20 minutes because if I had the power, it would have came out right away. You would have said it first. It's all good. I didn't even down on me. No, but I, please come over to my YouTube channel. Come to my TikTok.

I have the Swaggy Blurred, man. I've been doing these CPT reviews, man. I've been going back and watching these movies. He took too long with Braveheart and Rocky, so I'm doing those two. So you've got to come over and see what my thoughts are on these movies that everybody has loved more than anything. And then I've been doing the breakfast AM news, man. Sorry, do you know who has a cameo in Braveheart, though? No.

Tim the Dinosaur. Dad, you do it too much. You do it too much. You do it too much. Too much. Also, someone in the comments said that me and Christian know what CPT was, and I even said that was a great title. And I felt disrespected.

We get how good a title that is. We respect that title. It's clever. You just can't say it what it means. I can only acknowledge that it's clever. Let them figure it out. Listen to me. Go ahead and comment, click like, get Rocket Money.

I'm not, that's your challenge. Check it out. You have to get it. Now and next Thursday. RocketMoney.com slash thing. And make sure, I'm telling you guys, if you want to help the show, you want to help yourself. You will thank me on that one. I know that I've been aggressive on this one, but for a reason.

All right. Thanks guys for joining us. I appreciate it for Winston and Coy, Caps and Cows. See you. Peace.