The Kristian Harloff Show - Tarantino Wants to Make First Blood with Adam Driver & Cobra Kai Season 4 Announced! | The Big Thing

Episode Date: August 6, 2021

Quentin Tarantino wants to make a First Blood movie based off the novel, should he? Also, Cobra Kai Season 4 release date announced and Kristian Harloff and Mark Ellis are back to discuss! Follow on Twitter Kristian Harloff https://bit.ly/31PePMD Mark Ellis https://bit.ly/2U1wKPa Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Yeah. That's a mistake. It's a mistake. What an open. Good open so far. We have a lot to talk about today. A lot to talk about. And one of the main things I'm going to talk about with Mark Ellis is that Quentin Tarantino might be doing a Rambo first blood murder. And that is going to be what we are going to over today. Today on movie talk. That is the big thing. He's ditching his R-rated Star Trek and he's doing a rambo. When I tell you the story of how that all came to be, you're going to be excited about it. That is the big thing today. The big thing is, will we get the David Morel? We're going to find a. The Big Thing Show. I'm Christian Harlop. One of the reasons also I'll tell you that, because... Yes, yes, yes, there he is. Did I ruin your tease? No, it's good.

Hi, everyone. I'm glad, you always have to have the attention, I get it. I understand. I just sit here and I see you pushing so many buttons. I'm like, I just want to help the poor guy out. Yeah, I don't need to talk, and it doesn't sound like I'll be doing a lot of talking on this episode. You will be. Because I want to hear this story.

You got questions. Of Rambo and Quentin Tarant. Do I think it's going to happen? As of right now, probably not in a million years. Probably not in a million years. But that's because he's teased like eight different, like you said, Star Trek and everything. He's teased like eight different projects. He's a creative guy. And he always, whenever he talks, I just still feel like he is, some part of him is still in that video store.

100%. In Venice or wherever, where it's like, I want to make a movie in this genre, in this show, which is great. It's kooky, man. That's what creative people do. He's. And he's also retired like 38 times. Well, no, no, he hasn't yet.

What he has said is that he's only got one more and then he's retiring. Right? But the question is, he's pitched like eight movies. No, no, not. No, he's just, he's been talking about it for a while. The question is, what is Kill Bill volume three? Is that a thing? Is that going to happen? Said it is. So this, the reason I really like this story. Right. Now, you know how much I love the stolen Rambo movies. You are almost, I would say you're borderline. I'm, I'm almost concerned for you as to how much you love Rambo. Not as much as you like Van Halen, but in the same neighborhood. By the way. Yes. This is maybe the biggest thing. I saw it.

I already saw it. It's for you. It's your birthday. I was going to hold it up. I got it for your birthday. Hold it up. I got that for your birthday. Christian Harlaw.

Did you get it? I have two copies of it. Yeah. No, it's great. And I love you so much for doing this. But I think that this belongs here so that you can read up more on the greatest band. It's for your birthday.

Got it for you. I mean, I'll have it. So look, I have it. So look, I have it. two bathrooms in my place. Yeah. So this can go in the other, because I have one. Okay.

On top of one toilet. And then this can go on top of the other one. I figured you got it right away, but I was like, when did you get it, by the way? When did you get it? I got it at a. How long ago? When you're on the road? So this came out, I don't know, maybe a three or four weeks after Eddie passed.

Oh, did it? And so, yeah, yeah, but like, I didn't see it quite that quickly. I was at CVS or some Godforsaken place where the receipts are a mile long. And I'm checking out, and maybe I was buying booze, so I had to actually, like, talk to somebody, supposed to do the self-checkout. And I saw the Van Halen magazine, and I'm like, oh, give me that too.

And so I got that. Then somebody gave me one as a gift. Oh, so you already had some months later. And now the circle is complete. So thank you very much. It really is fascinating stuff in here. This is life and their Van Halen tribute. I encourage everyone to pick it up and listen to some Van Halen while you read.

I will tell you that I knew when I listened to my. my gut and my gut was correct. When I bought it, I said, there's no chance that he doesn't have this. And when I, when I was on, I was online, when I got it, and I said, you're in the line. It was in the line. Sorry. Well, there's a, there's a, there's an imaginary line you're standing on. And you're in it.

But I was on the line. And when, uh, I was getting it, I was like, you know, I got to get this guy a birthday present. He always, every, every morning he comes over for big thing. He brings me coffee. He does other stuff. And I was like, he's done so much for me. You didn't do it for the coffee.

Not just for the coffee. You didn't do it because. Because it was my birthday. I did. I swear. You did it because of the pretzels. No, it was because of the birthday. You're mad about the presents.

I remember. You're mad that I fattened you up last year. I did. And it was the whole reason I had bad cholesterol. It was that whole. I was good up until, up until that whole tub of pretzels. Just lies. Pretzels, you're fine.

They're delicious. Oh, God, you're good. Spicy mustard. You're not kidding around. Yeah. But to jump back to Tarantino. To jump back to Tarantino. You see how good this guy is?

It's really good. So what a host. David Morel is the guy who wrote First Blood. And you remember how, I mean, throughout our time on Shmows, I've talked about this novel religiously. Right. So he wrote the novel. The 1972 novel, while Vietnam was still happening at the time.

And the novel is significantly different than the movie. And do you remember us having this conversation? Not about the novel. So the novel is very similar, like, and I don't think you read either one of them, but it's one of the reasons. I liked Hunger Games. Because you were in the mind of Catness, and you're in the mind of John Rambo

throughout the entire thing, right? So when he's going through this town and he's going through all this stuff, and the Dennyhy character is also a war vet, and still a bit of a, you know, rides his ass, but not as much of a dick, right? He's got, you feel for him a little bit more than you do for Dennyhy in First Blood.

But in the book, In the movie, he kills a guy by accident. Remember he's on the rocks? Rambo does. Rambo. Rambo's on the rocks, and he's trying to hide. And the one guy who's just been fucking with them the whole time is trying to shoot at him. So finally, Rambo throws a rock and it hits the helicopter and the guy falls out. Haven't seen the movie in quite some time.

Well, that's how the guy dies. And it's basically a self-defense. Right. And then he does kill the dogs in the woods because they're coming after him. He snaps their necks or whatever he does. All right. But other than that, he doesn't really. kill anybody. In the book, he fucking kills everyone. He's running it. In the movie, he runs out

and he punches a guy in the face, and then he grabs, and he grabs the motorcycle and takes off. And he's got like, he's got like a ripped shirt on and jeans, whatever. He's butt naked in the, in the book, and he fucking guts a dude. Wow. He runs out and just guts a dude. Yeah, I guess at that point, you're making a movie. You're worried about the NC-17 label. Well, but it's not just that. It's that you can't root for him anymore because he just murdered a police officer, right, in the middle of the, like in the book, you're like, okay, this guy, he's, he's been pushed and this is a killing machine. It's like, took a guy's motorcycle. Took in, in the movie, he takes the guy's motorcycle.

I can forgive that. Whatever. And he, and he punches the guy in the nose. Fine. He's just trying to get out. He didn't kill anybody. He, he, I mean, he's hunting them in, in the woods and kills all of them. Yeah, that's a lot.

It's a lot to swallow. Because, like, in a movie, the nose punch is kind of like the shoulder. Yeah. Absorbing the bullet. where as soon as somebody gets shot in the shoulder in a movie, don't worry, they'll be okay. They're going to be fine. They'll be okay.

And it's like, but he's wiping out everybody, right? And so, and you get more and more into the mindset of this guy where this is where he belongs. And Troutman comes in, same thing. And in the end, in the book, like he. Oh, doesn't he die? He does. I mean, in the original movie, they shot it, they shot an ending with Stallone dying. And obviously, you say, you can't kill Rocky.

And so, so in the other way, you wouldn't have the first. franchise, but in the... And it also didn't make sense as much because he didn't kill anybody. Like, he's got to die in the book. He's got to. And when you have Dennyhy in the book, who's hunting him the entire time,

he starts to respect him and respect what this kid has done. And I think Rambo kills him and then Troutman kills Rambo. All right. And it's like, so Tarantino was talking about that, about the

original David Morell book. and saying how he wants to make that movie he wants to do with Adam Driver. Adam Driver's great choice. Adam Driver has experience as a veteran. I didn't know he was a veteran. You know, Adam Driver's in the Marines. Oh, I did know that. Yeah, he was in the Marines.

Right. Not the First Order Marines off of that other galaxy. Like these Marines on Earth. And he is a great actor, but he also just feels physically like a guy who can pull that off, killing a lot of people. but he also has that like, he can just go to that place. Right, right. And I think that tortured place.

And I think that he mentioned, and who he mentioned, I don't know if it was Troutman, for Troutman or for, was it Will Tisdell? I think I remember what the guy's name is in the book, Denahey. But he mentioned Kurt Russell, that he'd want Kurt Russell and driver. The question is, who does Russell play? Does Russell play Troutman or does Russell play the, you know, the sheriff? I always say yes to Kurt Russell. Me too.

So it would have been both roles. And the fact of Tarantino doing this version of it, I would be very excited. This is where, because people wouldn't understand right away, they would see a remake of First Blood and think, oh, they're remaking the Rambo franchise. And it's, it's like almost how there's the, you know, the variance in Loki. Like this is variant.

This is a variant Rambo. Like, they're two different Rambo. It's so tough, though, because the name Rambo is now so synonymous with Stallone and the Reagan 80s. and then all this other stuff, all the sequels that have come since then. And so it's almost like you do want him to call it. First blood is what you'd call it, right? Yeah. Because it's based on the novel.

It's a novel. Yeah. First blood, based on a novel by David Moran. And in little parentheses, not that Rambo. Not that Rambo. Yeah. Because it is, it's my favorite book. I remember reading it as a kid or it was like 17 or 18.

I read it. And I loved it. I remember being in Madeira Beach in St. Petersburg, just sitting on, the deck, just reading, just reading it by the water. And it was just like, I was in love with it. Just the calm water coming in. You're reading about a guy gutting people in the woods.

But it was, it was such a great. I remember my dad was the one who read it because going back to that point, when you tell people that First Blood was a great novel, they go, The Rambo novel. Yeah, right. They don't think about it. They don't realize it was a book first because David Morel did not like the last Rambo.

He didn't like a lot of the movies. He didn't like a lot of them. I think he was okay with the, with the adaptation. but wasn't his book. Did your dad read it before the movie had come out? Yes. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He read it, he read it because my dad was a vet. He was in there, yeah. He was in that movie, that book came out in 72. I think my dad was right, I think he was back around that time. Yeah, everybody getting so jaded about the conflict by then, the war. You're in the shadow of Nixon and Watergate. Right. It didn't end until like 75.

Officially, yeah. Yeah, officially it was, I mean, it was pretty, it was, it was, it was, you know, not as heightened as it wasn't like 68, 69 at that point, but it was still like, it was a long war. Right. And there was a lot going on. And the PTSD of it, and that's really what this was supposed to be about with.

So to see, I hope it happens. I'd like to see it. I think that, I think Tarantino's version of this novel would be great. And I'm, if I don't want to see anybody touch Rocky. No one needs to remake Rocky. No one's,

this is a different thing. This isn't remaking the Stallone Rambo movies. This is somebody for the first time actually making the David Marell book. No one's made that the book is exactly what it was. All right. So I'm going to play the game that I love playing with you because I love torturing you. Yes. Let's put you at the multiplex.

And here are the movies that are playing. At the moment. Quinn Tarantino always says he's got one movie left in him, right? Quinn Tarantino's first blood. Just that alone sounds pretty. He can only make one more movie. Yeah. So I'm going to give you any of the movies that he's talked about wanting to make.

So I'm going to give you first blood. I'm going to give you his Star Trek movie. I'm going to give you Kill Bill Volume 3. I'm also going to give you a sequel to any of his other movies. Which theater do you walk into? Because I'll tell you what. Yeah. I'm not the world's biggest Star Trek honk at all.

I just want to go see what a guy like that does with a property like Star Trek. So many reasons I would, that's my last on the list. So many reasons. One, I'm just not a big Star Trek fan in general, although I do like the JJ Abrams ones. And even I actually thought beyond. was a great movie. It's the most Star Trek I felt out of all of them,

and I really liked that movie. Right, right. Sophia Boutella, and I enjoyed it. The main reason why I don't want to see this, I don't want to hear all the fan boys talking about how Tarantino's Star Trek, and that's all it's going to be about. This isn't real Star Trek, this isn't this. I don't hear about that in the movie theater.

I don't want to hear anything. That's the aftermath. But all of it. It's just, I don't even, it's, and plus the fact that it's another property that people are very attached to, First Blood, yeah, it's a property. Not a lot of people are attached to it. It's just, it's not.

And you feel like the novel basis is going to be such a departure and a legit departure that people who are, even like you, who adore the Rambo movies. It's so different. You give it the acceptance. It's going to be totally different. Yes. It's hard to do that with Star Trek because even a lot of people,

when J.J. Abrams was making the Star Trek movie said, well, that's not really my Star Trek, which I can understand, I guess. I mean, you're protective of your properties. I get it, but that's one of things, Tarantina doesn't need to, I mean, would it be interesting and fun to watch it? It would, but the differences. I just want to see what it is. First of all, I don't know if Kill Bill, Volume 3.

I think, I can't remember if that's already announced and then it's one more, or if it's one of the ones that's rumored. I can't remember. But let's go off of your, let's just say that, let's just say it's part of it. That one is, it's between that and First Blood, because I would almost, I'd come close to say that Kill Bill, Volume 1 and 2 is one movie. I would a lot of times say that might be my favorite, Tarantino. Okay.

Although, I mean, I really, I really like, I mean, I'm a big fan of the last one he did with Brad Pitt and Leo once upon a time in Hollywood. Yeah, that was pretty good. I wasn't, I mean, the hateful eight, eh. I might go to glorious bastards. It's a really good movie, too. Might be my favorite. I like that one. Hateful eight's nowhere close.

Which one? Hateful eight's not close. Yeah. I appreciate. the scenery as much as anything else in that movie. Yeah. And the score. But Django Unchained, I really appreciated it. Pulp Fiction, I think,

is a really well-done movie. I don't like worship the ground it walks on like a lot of other people. Yeah. Science proves quality sleep is vital to your mental, emotional, and physical health. The sleep number 360 smart bed senses your movements and automatically adjust to help keep you both effortlessly

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different times. But anyway, the thing with First Blood is that in the 1982 version of the film, which is a really good movie, I just feel like this is you in any situation. This is all I do. This is you at a dinner party. That's how I order coffee. This is Christian at a baseball game. You can be talking about anything. Like, who's up next? Oh, wow. Okay. Very similar to sounds like, you know, David. Wow, did you see Mookie Betts make that catch? That's right. What's our, what's our, what's our boy's name from, David Caruso? Not David Caruso. He's in, he's in, he's a young David Caruso is in the,

Oh, from a NYPD blue and then later jade. Well, he was in, he was in, um, first blood. He was one of, he was the young, he was the only one. He plays Mitch. He's the only one that, does, do you see this guy's crazy? Poor red-headed Mitch. But, um, but anyway, in the 82 version of Stallone, because that's hot off a Rocky three.

So Sloan's a megastar at this point. So as good as the movie is. is Stallone is the star of the film, right? In Tarantino's First Blood, as much of it is a Tarantino movie, John Rambo will be the star of that movie. And not Adam Driver. It'll be the character, they'll feature in more, because the movie's just,

the movie's supposed to be about what the inner turmoil of kind of John Rambo is. And you don't, you see some of it in First Blood, but not to the extent of that book, dude. Okay, but can you name a movie that you think that Tarantino made that he directed That he is not the star of? No, no, it's hard. Has he ever done one? It's hard to do it because what movie has he done?

I mean, I think there's some that were based off properties or whatever, too, but most of it's all original stuff. He's the last one. It's always been a Tarantino thing. But what it does show is whether it's Star Trek or First Blood, he's sniffing around other properties, which we haven't heard him do before. Yeah, right?

And he's been doing it for a while. That's why. so I think that the answer would be first blood, because I want to see what he does when he jumps. It's the same thing like Neil Bloomcamp, right? He hits with District 9. Crushes with District 9. It's a crushes with it.

You liked deletium. I did not. I did. But then we both agree he eats shit with Chappie. Yeah, it's just so much potential, too. So he was a guy that I wanted to see do that adapting because he was... I want to see him do aliens. He's rumored around aliens.

He was rumored around Star Wars. Not even rumored. supposed to do aliens. He was rumored. I mean, he was rumored to do a lot of these properties, and he didn't. And it's like, let's see him do another property because that's what a lot of these guys do. And I think it's probably, it's probably tempting and, like, seducing as a director when you hit on those movies and you start getting, you can make your own movie, you can write your own thing. You can do what Chamelon does. You can do what Tarantino does. Go ahead. And you go, okay, because a lot of directors bill their names by taking,

properties out and build them out and so here's your script. Directed. Seems to be the model right now where it's a, if you make a couple small films that are critically acclaimed, and then you're, and then you get this big property, then you can go do whatever you want, whether it's doing more big properties, you can go back and do small ones, you can kind of go have one foot in each world. Right. But it's very rare to be able to do something like District 9, hit your, hit your thing. It's usually I've directed a few things and now I get a chance to do, to do something else, you know? So, um, Even Spielberg.

I mean, he had Duel and Sugar Land Express, but then, like, Jaws was based on a novel. Right. And Peter Benchley, not a fan of... Peter Benchley's not even a fan of what he wrote now, because it just had such a backlash on Great White Sharks, the beautiful creatures that they are. Well, so it's...

So that's... I don't know, man, it's interesting. I want to see how that pans out, but I do... There was something else that I just thought of that I wanted to... Oh, yeah. I watched this whole thing... The big other thing.

With my wife that I want to tell you about in just a moment. But what we did, if you guys notice, We are approaching, it's like over 60,000 views now on the, on the Shmodeown collision. Yeah. And it was a lot of fun. We were half in studio, half digital, and we officially got to partner with Captain Morgan, which is the original Spiced Rum.

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captain Morgan USA um good time good time in studio and virtual And then in a canteena, dude. How fun was that canteen? It was great. It was great. And really hats off to our crew for running such a good ship. And we learned a lot from our first in studio sort of match. And then we were able to apply that knowledge and how the mechanisms are all going to work together.

And it was a lot smoother. Yeah. And it's going to be even smoother, hopefully. On the 14th. Yeah. Four big matches on the 14th. There's like, I think, like, three or four tickets left, which is cool. The Shemodown Live.com, if you want to go.

One of the reasons we're doing mass now. And with all this stuff and all the cases that are jumping up too, we don't even need. We're both vaccinated. So why are you sitting around with a mask on if you're vaccinated? Well, because it's still with all the cases that are coming up. I did, I watch, I watched the news on this stuff, maybe more than I should now. And even watching some of the doctors, they said this, they said this thing. It was like, okay, this one guy, Osterholm, you know this guy?

Can't say that I do on top of my head. It reminds me of Brian Denny, to be honest with you. But he says that he's, and it's back. You see how quickly we got back to Rambo? I told you, I can do it, no matter what. And a lot of time this guy seems like a doom and gloom type doctor, but he said, but he's realistic. And he says, but what he said was, he goes, look, all these waves,

and don't fool yourself here, we're in the middle of a fourth wave here. All these waves go and last for about seven or eight weeks, and then they do the decline. That's what happened. And so he's right now we're in like the third or fourth week of this thing. So we've got another four or five weeks depending on. And it's like, okay, but that means with the breakthrough, and there's more breakthrough cases that they haven't tested everybody.

So there's more big, you didn't even know you have it. So to err on the side of caution, we're doing the mask and the fact that we, and I wasn't, I cannot do lockdown anymore, do it. I just, I cannot do it. I just, it's like there's no, like that's why when people are asking, you're going to do the canteen, I'm like, yeah, everybody's got to be vaccinated, cruise, I said, and then someone said, well, will you wear a mask for the whole shoot? I said, yeah, I'll do it.

If it means, if I have to wear a mask, or we have to do digital, matches. I'll wear a mask. I'll wrap electrical tape around my head. I'd pay to see that. And I would just stand there all day. I cannot, I can't do these freaking digital matches anymore. I can't. I still enjoy the digital matches. I think they do end. I think they do add another flavor. I mean, as far as the competition goes, yes. Yes. But as far as the look and feel, it's not, as far as the product, well, what the competitors are doing, 100%. But I would even say for the audience, I think that it, it's not as steep of a drop-off as you and I feel just because we're fatigued from having that and because you and I get so much juice from being in front of a live audience.

I think the crew's done such a good job of making those virtual matches feel. No doubt. Like there is like this huge crowd there. That's the only reason I can, like the fact that we're still doing it is a crew. Yeah. So you know even in the moment it really sucks. Right. For certain aspects, but you get a great final product, which is all I really care about.

but I'm 100% on your team is that... I would much rather wear the mask and do it live. Right. Because I get a lot out of that, too. I love being live. The energy was so different. And you could see all the competitors. You could see the audience.

They were so, like, juiced up and ready to play. And the audience had so much fun. And, like, the competition's been incredible. Though, what I keep saying, though, for digital is that the difference is, for example, there's a certain competitor that lost during the canteen. I went up to this competitor effort. afterwards had a conversation with them. And they got to talk and they got to be around their people and they were like,

they were bummed, but then they, they kind of- They're people. Must have been a celebrity. I'm just meant in general, like, you know, the people that are around and talking to their friends and they just were talking, they stuck around and they kept talking to the crew and everybody. And by the end of it, like, yeah, okay, you know, they're feeling good. When you're in a digital match and you lose a match, you turn off the computer and you're

just sitting there in your thoughts. Just, it's the most. only feeling I can only imagine if you're competing in a big high profile match or smaller match. And it's like, oh, you know, oh, and you're winner. Just sitting there. And you can't talk to anybody. Can't do that. And it's not. And it's even something that we recorded recently. And normally what I like to do is in between the matches, you know, before Jen does our interviews, unless it's like live and we're throwing back and forth, I like to talk to the competitors and the managers afterwards and say, hey, great match, whether you won or lost, this.

Like, when you go into the interview, just take a breath, calm down for a little bit, take a moment. If you need a second before you go into the post interview, chill out. I can't do that in digital because it's like, go, go, go, go. It's that proverbial, even though you're not physically touching anybody necessarily other than like a fist bump. It's that thing you hear about the NFL combine where so many scouts and coaches and stuff, they want to, quote, put their hands on you a little bit, just so they can kind of meet you in person. See, hey, is that knee really?

really healthy. Like, they can actually watch it up close. That's right. And I think a lot of that helps. And it also helps foster that sense of community. Yeah. Which has been amazing we've been able to maintain as well as we have during this last year plus. And so, but that's the thing about getting back. That's why people, one of the reasons why we want to get back into studio so much is because it does feel like a family when you're back in studio. And it demands a certain level of respect and professionalism from everybody involved in it. And it's not a tough bar to hit. And if the bar for us is, You just got to wear these things on stage. Whatever.

Like, you don't have any problem with it because under that mask, you're kind of hideous. I am beautiful. Yes. I'm a, I am God's gift to everybody. It broke my heart to have to do that to you. But nonetheless, we did it. And you just saw the sadness under my... Oh, is it?

You took away my best quality. I just took away your best quality. But I will say it was the first time ever, though, because I watched... I was watching the footage for the match that we're airing on, well, Tonight. Ethan versus Irwin, you get to see the first title match live in person since Atlanta. Pretty exciting stuff. It's pretty great.

And I will say this, to toot my own horn. It was the first time I looked and I said, okay, I did lose weight because I was, I looked even today, dude, I'm at right now, I have officially lost 15 pounds. So you were, what, 212? 212, 2.13. Okay. Yeah, and so at my heaviest. It's a big number. It's a big number.

Okay, but now that you've done that, and you've seen yourself on camera, and we all know how shredded you are now. I wouldn't say shredded. It's not fat. Is there an amazing, is there, can you tell, is there footage that you saw where you're like, other than just like you want to keep your cholesterol on a healthy level, is there footage that you saw prior to that? I thought I was, look at, where you're like, oh, I got a, that's not who I am.

On a couple episodes of this show. Like, you know what's funny as, oh, wow. Normally, I remember back in the day, and I would go on like little weight loss things. And one time we were reviewing something. And somebody made some comment about like a turkey neck or something, right? And I went, do I have a turkey neck? And I looked and I was like, I do have a turkey neck.

And then I lost like 15 pounds. I was at the time when you were taking boxing classes in the park at 7 a.m. I was. This guy. It was good. I had just moved into this nice pristine building. Yeah. And some celebrities lived there in addition to me.

They weren't as good looking as me, but they're still famous. And so Christian would come over in the morning to shoot reviews. And this guy would show, this happened for like two weeks in a row. Christian would show, maybe did five reviews during this period. It just wreaked havoc on my nostrils. Because Christian would come over, drenched in sweat, just smelling. And there's a scent even worse than fresh sweat, and it's our old sweat. Right.

And that's what you came over with musty sweat from the drive from the park over to here. And not only that, Christian. Mr.son would have his cute little cup that he would mix his protein shake in. He brought his cute little protein powder. He put it in there. He'd shake it up. Did he make sure the top was sealed? Not always.

So there's a lot of excess liquid. I don't want to hear about it, though. All around here. You know, that's payback for all the fucking gum that you left all over the place for years. What do you mean all over the place? Dude, you would, no, there would be gum. We would shoot reviews and there would be gum on paper, on receipts. This isn't you talking.

This sounds like somebody else in your household who found it once. And that was the end of it. Yeah. No. But you want me to go rat you out? What about what? Because multiple times after you left, I'd go into my bathroom to take a pee and I look down to the toilet. What's in the toilet?

Oh, it's a little water gum. Is it for me? Did I put gum in the toilet? Multiple. Gum in the toilet? Multiple times spit gum into the toilet. Yes, you would. Someone else.

Maybe not sub 200-pound Christian Harwoff. But Jabba the Harlov? Probably didn't even know that it was falling out of my mouth. And it was just like, it was giant space slug. I had like, I had like seven pieces of gum that just like would fall out in the side. It was like, oh, there's hobba-baba. There's frog legs and chicken wing bones. All sorts of crap in my talk about.

Wundagata. Wund, a gunga. Os hod. Oh, oh. Yeah. Can't shame a hut. They really embrace it. You can.

I got something I got to talk to you about because it's either, like you said, whether it's going to be first blood. If it's not first blood, what else do you think I'm going to bring up in a, in a, in a, in a restaurant or somewhere else. And the second I say it, you're going to go, that's right. Is it a movie? I'm not going to tell you what it is. Okay. Then I'll probably say, I'm going to say 80s wrestling.

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Go and do it. So you know that on Netflix that... That was beautiful hearing you speak for a minute straight. Without bringing up Rambo? Without bringing a Rambo? Well, on Express... No, I really enjoy your conversations. Thank you.

I like... It's very nice... Wait, that was a very, way too broad statement. I enjoy your conversations about Rambo because it's something that I am... Sort of tertially interested in, but I also see. Not as much, though, because, well, how passionate you are about. Yes, because I remember when we saw, I think when we saw the fourth Rambo film together.

That is still my favorite Rambo movie. Because you were like, you know, not jumping out of your seat to go see it, but you were excited after we saw it. Yes. And when we saw it. I also knew at the time it would make a great review because we had a pretty big pilot that we were filming. We did. We did.

It was one of the reviews was going to be that, and I knew you and I were going to have a great, great conversation about it. We did, and the thing was that it was like you, didn't I go with you? I went to you to a Van Halen concert once. Yes, me, you, and it was Simone, wasn't it? Oh, boy. Wasn't it?

You need this magazine more than I do. You, me, and Winkleman, and Winkleman saw the last concert Van Halen ever performed. Wow. At the Hollywood Bowl of 2015. See, this is, I don't remember much. You can still watch the whole thing on YouTube. And man,

did a great show. That's great. I'm glad that I caught that. I literally told him that like three times. You really did. But the excitement in your eyes when you went to see it. And it was at the Hollywood Bowl. Yes. Wow. So guys on it. It's right. Halfway through dancing Idaway. Christian tabs me on the show. He's like, this is like when Brian Denahey goes up to Stallone. And they did. Do you know that during the craft service this part when him and Stallone would sing this long together. But the excitement in your eyes for that show was my excitement when we saw Rambo 4. Yeah, you live vicariously through the other person.

And so you were pretty excited about that overall. But anyway, going into, do you know the show on Netflix, the movies that made us? Yes. So they have a season two that just came out. I just saw they had like Back to the Futures, one of the movies. I haven't seen much of that. documentary. I really appreciate. I think I saw the one on Elf. I watched the one on Dirty Dancing, which was pretty fascinating. I saw the one on,

what was the other one I saw? Shoot, there were a few of them that I watched. They're really good. And then my wife and I watched the one on Pretty Woman the other night. Oh, there's one of Pretty Woman. Do you know, the whole story of that movie is fascinating. It's fascinating. No. So the guy who wrote the movie, it was called 3000 was the name of the, and it was a dark script about, hookers in Hollywood. Yeah. It was like a full-on drama.

No comedy in it whatsoever, right? And so it, and remember I sent you a clip from it, the movie itself the other day. Oh, I know the clip. The clip I sent you. You and I have a good chuckle about that every time to time. But anyway, so the movie was, it bounced around as one producer had it, and he was with the, the writer, and they went to the same company that made dirty dancing, right? And like, okay, look, we're going to make this movie.

and then that company goes out of business. So it starts getting bounced around. The script goes bounce around. It's supposed to go somewhere else. And then Disney picks it up. And they're like, you're sure that you, Disney, you know, this is a poker movie. And then they'll give you $3,000.

More or less. And they even joked about that. But they had Touchstone at the time. And Touchstone was doing, touchstone was. Oh, hilt. No kiss. They even explained where that came from. They explained where all that came from.

Yeah, the streets. Reality. No, it was the, it was. The guys, it was, who was it? It was somebody's grandmother put that in there. One of the producers said, it was looking at it. And the grandmother said, you know, kissing on the mouse too intimate. And they-

I want to know how granny. How he used to do it. How granny used to pull that trick off. Yeah. Oh, boy. Oh, dear. What do you say? Oh, my goodness.

Another rim job. Oh. I thought we got away from that. Oh, that. tickles. Oh, don't do it. Tongues okay. Keep the finger away.

Oh, Disney. Giving us so much joy over the years. But they started, so they started making the movie, and they're going into it. And, well, not making the movie, but it would get, looking like it was going to be made.

Touchstone was going to do it. They had Julia Roberts attached, even when the other company was going to do it. Because she had just done like Mystic Pizza and didn't, nothing, right? And satisfaction? Maybe, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that was beforehand. Yeah, yeah.

But. Great, great movie, I think. Yeah, she was nobody at the time. So then the script is, Touchstone's going to make it, but then they're like, well, we need somebody else because who's Julia Roberts? Right.

They're not going to do it. And because they went out to, and then they went to Richard Geer, Richard Geh's like, I don't know who Julia Roberts is. I'm not doing this movie. Marl Street. Well, who went to, I can't remember all the different actresses that they said went out for it,

but they have all the list of the different actresses. Allie Sheedy. None of them felt right. None of them felt right. Molly Ringwald. No. Maybe I'm all over one, but I'm not sure. But then they couldn't get anybody else.

Richard Gears not attached this. So they kept Julia Roberts on it. Elizabeth's a shoe. No. And then Gary Marshall comes on board. Yeah. And meets with the, they're like, I want to make this thing a comedy. Yeah.

And they're like, oh, the writer's going to lose it. He goes, yeah, I can do whatever you want. And so the writer's like, okay. Oh, that's great. And so they were going to fire the writer, but they don't. And then Jason Alexander, Gary Marshall, did not want him. Said no, every single time he showed up in the room.

He said no, no, no, right? Did not want him. Wow. Richard Gear, they wanted it. Julia Roberts was on because Gary Marshall loved her, said, this is who we got to use. And they use Julia Roberts. And then they take a meeting with Richard Gear again.

And Julia Roberts just charms the pants off the guy. And then he decides he's going to do it. They have the whole, so Richard, you got to do it? Because he also wanted to work with Gary Marshall. So Deborah Winger could be. been interesting? Officer and a gentleman That might have been one of them. They were great together in that, but I don't remember.

But they hated each other, though. But, so anyway, they get through, they go through this whole thing, they finally do it. And then Richard Gear is the one who tells Gary Marshall the hire Jason Alexander because they can't, they couldn't get anyone else. They were shooting like his scenes that day. So when Jason Alexander gets on the set, he's like, I got the script ready.

He's like, and here's like, just wait. until you see what we're doing here. He's like, just wait. And they start shooting. And then he's like, now do another take this time funnier. All right, now do this one serious.

Now say something about his shoes. And he's like, that's what I'm talking about. The whole movie was like complete like they just improv and Gary Marshall throwing things out and telling me to take things and throw these moments out. And they all thought it was going to be a bomb. They all thought it was just going to be an absolute because they didn't know how it was going to get pieced together. Yeah. And then when they started.

piece in it together. It started because they would use all these different takes that they had and showed what a genius Gary Marshall was on the way that he was putting it all together. That scene, you know, when he clamps down on her hand. Yeah. Like, and she does that laugh. Totally improv. I did know that. I remember hearing that. She laughed. She laughed. They kept it in. It's a great laugh. It's a great laugh. And they did all those things. And they, it goes through. It's a fascinating. If you haven't seen this series on Netflix, it's the movies that made us. And it's, it's a, that was a great episode. But I've had to have told this story before. Do you know, I met the late great Gary Marshall.

As did I. So I met him when he was working at, do you mean he to have the commies or something? He was walking out of the belly room and he was exactly who he wanted Gary Marshall would be. Hey, how are you? Good to see you. So that's it. I ran into him.

Beat that story. Hot shot. Mine's pretty good. Mine's pretty good. So I hope so. I ran into him when I was temping at New Line. And he came in and he was working on some project with him. So I had just gone to the bathroom.

I'm peeing. I looked to the right and spit your gum in the toilet, and then what happened? It just fell out again. And you should pick that up. No. So Gary, here, have a Harvey bar. Yeah, that's right.

Gary Marshall is right there next thing. I'm like, holy shit, it's Gary Marshall. I'm like, I got to say something. I said, but not why the guy's piss it. I'm going to wait. So I'm watching. You do the extra long, a little slower. Sing happy birthday twice.

And I wait, and right in the corner of it was going on. And I go, Mr. Marshall, it's a pleasure to meet you. The Flamingo kid is one of my favorites. favorite movies ever. He goes, the Flamingo Kid, that's the one you go with? All right. You know, he's like, he goes, thank you very much. And I go, I love it. I go, sweet Georgia Brown. He's like, all right, well, you know the movie. It's a great strategy. I can't say it, it was super successful in that particular meeting. Or accurate, because Pretty Woman is obviously my favorite. Okay, but I think we're of the same mind here. So, everybody says Pretty Woman, too. Right, your

strategy, you didn't want to go a league of their own. No. Because Penny Marshall directed. He's in, he's in a league of their own. He's in it. That's where Harvey Bar is coming from. And obviously directed pretty woman. And so you don't want to talk about like happy days. You don't talk about any that stuff. You want to pick something that you think was maybe their passion

project that didn't hit on the radar as much because then it's going to be super endearing to them. They're going to be like, the Flamingo kid, we're having dinner at the smokehouse in an hour. Why don't you come by? And you're like, oh, this is my end. Now he he's just, he's like, that's the one you go with because do you have any celebrity stories where that actually that strategy worked?

I'm trying to rack my brain if I, because I've used the same thing. Degnino probably has millions of them because Dagnino always goes with the obscure movie. Yeah, but I think that's a good tip for all you youngsters out there. You meet somebody that you admire, you go off the beaten path. Yes. I will preface that I say, I do love the flamingo kit. It's just not my favorite Gary Marshall. I knew he directed.

I have no idea what it's about. It could be about an animated family of pink flamingos in a front yard. Can you, I want you to do it's 1987. haven't, I believe. So it was before Pretty Woman. So they made it seem like he was jumping from sitcoms to movies. He had already made a movie. Can you, and he always uses Hector Alonzo, by the way. It's like his good luck charm. He uses them all. Hector Elizondo? Elizondo and Laura San Giacomo and Pretty Woman also worked together in the sitcom Just Shoot Me. That's right. So yeah, so can you, that's one of the people who's in Flamingo Kids.

So I'm not going to do that. So I already won. No. I've won your game. Let's see how many people you can give me. Oh, 1987. Think about some stars. And let's see if I can get you. You can get any of them that are in there. I will throw Roblo. No, but it's not a bad guess.

I will throw any of the women that I named that were considered for Vivian? Howie Sheedy? No, no. No, I don't think there's, I don't remember who the female lead is in that one. Dabney Coleman. I don't remember. No, but the lead, so the story is about. Robin Williams?

No. Story is about a kid living in Brooklyn. his dad is Hector and he is and he has to go and he starts working at this club and he's as a, as a,

not like, you know, a pool boy and he starts getting involved in this big car game, it's like the 50s and 60s and there's like this mentor that kind of picks him up and he's like he becomes like his his, he's like his idol, right?

This guy. Yeah. But then there's like this big card game and the tables turn a little bit. But, uh, Bert Reynolds. No. But I, but out of a conversation that we had today, already on this show, you could go into one of the vaults and pick somebody up.

Brian Dennyhy? Close. Sylvester Stallone? Richard Crenna. Oh, boy. Richard Crenna is, is, plays like the, the mentor guy. Okay. The lead character is Matt Dillon.

Oh, that, that checks out. In 87 when he was in, he was in, he was in, Rumblefish. Yeah. Everything. So, and it's, and yeah, and I always remember it at the end of the, at the end, there's like, the big thing that they would call out is sweet Georgia Brown is what it is. And when he beats Krenna at the end, he calls it out and says, I got to find out of that movie streaming anyway. Okay.

I've seen it in years. All right, while you're telling that story. That's the one you chose? I can, okay, here's my game for you. I'm going to give you five movie stars and you have to tell you if, I'm going to give you seven seconds per movie star. I'm going to time it. Okay. You got to give me one movie.

And you are going to be with this celebrity in a place where you're interacting with them. Okay. And what movie do I bring up? What movie do you bring up? You're not, it has to be a movie off the beaten path. So you have to bring up the movie. Seven seconds. Give me ten.

Engage them in conversation. Give me ten. Because I would look over and I would say to them. Okay. I'll give you ten. Yeah. And your first movie star is Tom Hanks. Larry Crown.

Okay. Really? No. You're not allowed to take the same one for Julia Roberts. Julia Roberts, I would say Mystic Pizza. I'd say satisfaction. Denzel Washington. Denzel Washington is a heart condition.

No, no doubt. I don't even know whatever. Bob Hoskins. You ever see that movie? Bob Hoskins? So Bob Hoskins is like this racist cop who... Oh, I have heard of this movie. Yeah.

And he's a lawyer. Denzel Washington, and he dies. Okay. And so Bob Hoskins gets his heart. and so Denzel is following him around dead and like giving him like an age. Ooh, I like that. And it's, it's underrated movie. All right.

Speaking of movies. I ever remember Denzel Washington in anything when I saw that as a kid. Speaking of movies that featured dead people falling you around. Your next celebrity is Whoopi Goldberg. Oh, I mean, a ghost doesn't count, huh? No. No. All right, fine.

Whoopi Goldberg. Four. Shoot. Three. Two. I'm going Karina, Karina. Or I'm going. Jumpa Jack Flash.

I would have took that one as one of her big starring roles. That's why I didn't take that. Corinna, Corinna, Corinna is okay. Yeah. Yeah, Jumpa Jack Flash and color purple were the two. Too popular? Too popular. Too popular.

Yeah. All right. You have two celebrities left. Yeah. I would go with Tom Hanks. I'd like to go back to Road to Perdition. Yeah. Yeah, that feels like somebody's really proud of that didn't quite get the notoriety.

Yeah, I wouldn't go. celebrities. Celebrity one. Brian Dennehy. Oh, gladiator. Easily. Not the Russell. The James Marshall one? 100%. I go FX. Well, you'd have to do it. You'd have to send a telegram to heaven. Is he dead? Yeah, he died the last year.

Oh, well, we miss you, Brian. Okay, your final celebrity. Ten seconds. Sylvester Stallum. Ooh, Copeland. That would have been mine, too. Yeah. Yeah. Because he's great. I'd never seen it. And I watched. it like sort of towards the beginning of the pandemic. He is great.

Rappaport's really good in it too. So many movies had James Mangol directed. It's nuts. We had a Smodown question about him. The other, the guy's done everything. He's done a lot. He's done a lot. Very impressive body of work.

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Yes, I saw that early this morning. I'm still halfway through season one. Not because I don't like it. I kind of love it. This is what happens to me when I'm watching show. So I'm going to get back on Cobra Kai, unless you have another show that I need to watch before I finish what I just started, Barry.

Barry's really good. Yeah, I think I finished season one. I got a little tainted by Barry because people were telling me how great this one episode was. Like it was the best episode of television. McCugas said it, like, this is some of the best TV. From season one?

I think it's season two. Okay. Since Sopranos, since this. And I'm like, oh, I can't wait to see it. I thought it was ridiculous in the episode that I saw. And I was like, somebody jumping around on a roof. And I'm like, is this? I'm like, is this a supernatural show?

No, like, what the hell is this? And I was like, I didn't like it. Took you out of it. I didn't watch it. The Chechnyans kill me. They're great. The, uh, Stephen Root murders me. He is so, so funny.

And Henry Winkler. Oh, Henry Winkler. And really because is just so. Show's great. I need to get back into it. I do because I think that one episode taints me. I mean, like the internet, everybody loved that episode. It's like that one question when people go,

what's the thing on television that everyone loves that you don't? It's that episode. How do I get you to unplug from a little bit of the hype? Because I feel like you're a little too concerned about it. Because I need to watch it on time. You're too concerned about Star Trek fanboys after the fact to go see Tarantino's treatment of it. Well, no, it's not. It's not.

The problem is, people will ruin nice things for you. It's like that person that comes... That's very true. And like you're in the middle of a party. You're having a great time. And then they come up to you and they just start talking about Rambo for no reason. Or rip the fucking biggest fart and just clear the fucking room.

And it's like... He could also do that, by the way. I've seen it happen. Not in a party. I wouldn't do that. Well, he let his dog breathe on people. That's very true. But, you know, when it came to...

Barry itself, I really liked the majority of it. Well, I'll watch season two. It was like Dexter meets, like... Are you excited that? that they're doing another Dexter? Yeah, yeah, yeah. When's that happening? Very soon.

I got to catch up on that. I've never seen an episode. The first four seasons, first two are incredible. Three is okay. Four is great, but the problem was they do something in four that you're going to be like,

holy shit. I can't believe they did that. And they also lost their main showrunner, the guy that was like the guy who was made this show really popular. He left the show. He didn't come back. He's coming back for this season.

Because that's another. I was religious on that show. Like, I watched that show. I loved that show. I bailed on the last season because it was like this. I watched the first half. I've never do this. I watched the first half of the last season was so done with it.

I just bailed on it. You pulled in Ellis. And I watched and I watched the season, the last moment of the season finale on YouTube because I was like, I was like, that's stupid. Wow. And it was that bad. And, but it's the same way that I am excited for,

the Indiana Jones because of the Mangold coming along and trying to give it another the same way I was excited for Rocky Balboa after Rocky came out. And the same reason I would be excited if they did Ben Treblecook's script for Diehard and gave and gave it. We need it.

They got rid of that prequel. You see that right? Yeah, you told me that they got rid of it. Which is like, why did it take y'all that long? Turn it around. Was everybody involved with that prequel just sitting on their hands for the entire? entire pandemic, like, well, as soon as we get back in there, and then they're like, no, we're just going to pull the fuck on this. They were trying to figure it out, and they were going to, they were going to deage him the whole time.

And that would have, it just would have been a, just, I mean, monumentally, what is going on? You've been in these meetings. What is going on in these meetings when that's the winning pitch? And again, it's, it has a lot to do with Bruce Wells. But did I tell you, did I tell you my overall idea of how I think that they should, they should incorporate a lot of what Ben said, going to, um, Nakatomi. Yeah, they're having some anniversary celebrating his. And he goes.

But my idea, he's the guest of honor. My idea is that he goes with Zeus. With Samuel Jackson's character. Is he in that? Is that part of Ben's script? I didn't think it was. I don't, I can't recall it's top of my head. If it was, I apologize to Ben, I don't remember it being.

But my idea was that and maybe it's because that's what happens in Ben's script. I don't remember it. It all starts with Ben, writing something so good where you're like, oh, even given what we just got from Guyhard, we still have hope here. But my idea was that like, one of them is begrudging. wanting to go, like not wanting to go. Right. And maybe it's, maybe it's John McLean doesn't want to go. And he's like, come on, you old fart. I don't want to go either.

But like, I'm go and let's do this. I think that's the way you do it is him convincing McLean to get on the plane. And there's snakes on the plane. Right. It would be funny if they threw a joke in there on the way in. What's on the plane? They make a Pulp Fiction joke in Die Hard with a Vengeance.

What do they say in Die Harder with Vengeance? I think Zeus asked him like something about like what he'd been doing or something like that. He says just been smoking cigarettes watching Captain Kangaroo. Oh, okay. From the song. Yeah, of course. So anyway, so that's, I, to see that.

And then you bring up Cobra Kai, Cobra Chi certainly did that to the Karate Kid franchise. Sure. Absolutely did that. So I would love to, and we should talk about that first. Did you see, did you see, how much have you seen? A Cobra Kai? Yeah.

Halfway through season one. Okay. It gets better. Oh, yeah. I'm already loving it, but I, you know, I piece together things that I've seen people rave about seasons two and three. And so I kind of know where it's going loosely, but I just think it's such a great setup. It's the perfect time to do something like that in both those actors' careers. I'm just, I know, but that one I'm surprised because like it's what I realized, like that show,

the, the, the base in realism, like which Karate Kid one certainly had, the first season has. Yeah. And it kind of starts to go out the window. two and three. Once you accept that, then it's just such a fun ride overall because, like, the kids learn karate really fast, and they become ninjas really fast, and they're jumping off trees and doing... Right. And I remember at first having an issue with it and then going, why do I have an issue with it? This is fun. It's just a fun show. It's just fun. Yeah, it's our friend from this radio station recommended it. Oh, oh. Yeah. It's, it's really fun. It's really fun.

But where do we, where are we going? And then, there was also news that South Park is going to extend it through like season 30. Wow. And Trey and Matt got a deal to make 14 original made for streaming movies exclusively for Paramount Plus. I don't know if those are all South Park movies. That's fun. Because that's the headline, but that's the other piece of news. You still watch South Park?

If it's on occasionally, I will hit it and just get that injection. Yeah. I still prefer my sort of comfort animation comedy is still a family guy. Yeah. But I, because I did a verse is that for Rotten Tomatoes, I'm not sure if it's up yet, but it's not a big spoiler because they wanted me to do. do a versus that was the Simpsons versus Family Guy. Right.

And I was like, okay, it's great. Just so you all know. And I warned people at the beginning of the vid, the family guy has no chance to win this. Literally no chance to win this. You're going to get, no matter what anybody argued, yeah. Because there's five rounds. First round is, uh, is tomato meter.

Yeah. Second round is ratings. Third round is iconic characters. Fourth round is, is best episodes. For Simpsons? The Simpsons wins all of those. Oh, all of those. Okay.

All of those. I thought you were saying. Except the wild card round, which is which makes Mark Gigglemore. Then Family Guy is competitive. Then right now, Family Guy makes me laugh more. I miss her. I thought you were saying there's no way Family Guy can lose this. No, no, no, no, no.

If you're any animated show, Family Guy could team up with South Park and Rick and Morty and Bob's Burgers and King of the Hill. It's like Rennell Whitaker going up against Tyson. They're both in their prime, but this one of them does it really, really well. It's not big enough. It would be like all the expendables going up against Muhammad Ali. Then it's a fair fight.

Right, right. So my brother just sent me this picture, by the way, that my mom had. I got to show this to you. I was going to say, did you just confuse your mom and your brother? Well, my mom had this picture when she was younger, and I got to show you this, and my brother sent it to me, and you're going to lose your mind when you see it. Was she in the film, Pretty Woman?

She was not as an extra. She was not. But this picture, I got to see if I, here. So this is from my brother, Brian. He found it. And it was. Man, you know how to get people to tune in, not only to the podcast, which we hope you subscribe to,

Ray review all that stuff. We also listen to it and watch it. You explain what you're seeing here. Look at that picture. Holy crap. Right. This is a picture. That is a picture of Muhammad Ali at the ring.

Ringside with his trainer in a gym where he's clearly training for something. And it's Muhammad Ali looking like he's in his absolute prime, maybe towards the two. My mother. Oh my gosh. But I'm pretty sure. Yeah, yeah. What year is it say? 171.

So he was just. coming back from being banned from from boxing. Do you know how much that picture is probably worth? I can't even imagine. More than you and eyes combined. I'm so mad that my brother found it because I've been looking for that thing. Oh, you know it existed. Yeah, I feel like Janice Soprano, like I'll go in the, in the bottom of the house looking for the treasure that Livia Sopranal left around and I, and he found it. Talk to your parents, kids. You know, McCougas mom told me a story. Yeah. That she and her friend got tickets to go see the Beatles when they, they made their first appearance in Pittsburgh at whatever that arena was.

And Josh's mom went, had a great time. The other friend couldn't go for whatever reason. I don't know if she still has the ticket, but it is an unused Beatles ticket from 1964. Wow. And that's got to be worth thousands. Gonzo, amounts of money. Wow.

Yeah. So that was when my brother found that, I was happy that he found it, but also upset that I didn't find it. I mean, that's the guy. It was, yeah, he's. I mean, I don't even, Muhammad Ali, Michael Jordan. You just can't maybe put Babe Ruth, maybe put Tiger Woods.

Mahanahina Williams. It's hard. Is he my favorite fighter of all time? No. We also didn't have the luxury of getting to watch. Right. I mean, I've watched all this. As it was happening.

I've watched all his fights. Do I think he's the greatest fighter of all time? Yes. As do I. There's no doubt. There is something about Tyson's, Tyson's raw skill. Mythology.

and the stuff that he did. And I still don't know if he put up a 21-year-old on a customato Mike Tyson against Ali who comes out of that fight. I still don't know at what point you put him together. But what I will say is the difference between the two of them, Muhammad Ali had that intestinal fortitude that no other fighter has ever had to this day. And the only way that you can say that is when you watch... How many times George Foreman punched him?

Not just that, dude. when you watch the first fight with him and Joe Frazier, and they talk about this all the time. They went 15 rounds back then. So they're in the 15th round, and they're beating the piss out of each other for... And this was right, and this was when he had just come back.

And so he... They're just busting each other up. In the 15th round, Joe Frazier... And Joe Frazier is known for his left hook. Yeah. Joe Frazier doesn't just hit him with the left hook. He hits him with my left hook. Muhammad Ali's hands down, square in his jaw, knocks anybody's head off, end of fight.

Muhammad Ali not only goes down, he's up within two or three seconds. Unbelievable. In the 15th round, he gets up. He doesn't even take the break. He goes down and to show Joe Frazier, no way, motherfucker. That would be, broken jaw. It's like you just swam the English channel. And as soon as you get on shore, Joe Frazier punches you.

Right. And then you just get up. It's like, dude, like that's not. That's not normal. It's not human. No, and that's why he was, that's why he's the best of me. Like that one moment alone. Have you, did you rewatch after, because Marvin Haggwer passed away not too long ago?

You see the Haggar-Herns fight? Of course. It's on YouTube. Yeah, I've watched them many times. And it's like, it's a brawl. It's the closest thing I've ever seen to. Rocky fight. To a rocky fight because you can't believe, but you can't believe this actually happened

and that they're actually connecting with those blows. It is a nuts sporting event. Slug Fest. Yeah. It's a slug fest. Yeah. I mean, the only other fight that I would say rivals that for the amount of action to be able to stand are definitely the first one, but any of the Goddy Ward fights. Yeah.

Those fights are not. Those are not human beings fighting. Not for the faint of heart. Dude, it's nuts how they. They hit each other so many different times and stagger and go back. I used to watch it when YouTube was a lot cooler back then. They used to allow you to put some, the music. I don't know why they got rid of a lot.

these videos people are using music because now everybody does it anyway. But at the time, this guy was putting this great score together of the stuff and showing all these fights. And man, those fights are great. Best boxing movie outside of the Rocky franchise. Is? Boxing or fighting? Boxing. Yeah, because I would have gone warrior. You can't take Gladdian. Well, no, you can still take Gladiator. Yeah. You can't take Warrior. Yeah, you can't take Warrior. It's, yeah. Gladdy is a different type of boxing movie. Raging Bull is too And so

See, I think Million Dollar Baby is a really good boxing It's a great I've seen it once It's very tough to revisit She comes in like Frickin Tyson It's hard to revisit

Because of the ending Yeah But I'm trying to think The fighter's pretty great Fighter is a good one I'd have to watch Southpaw again Yeah I remember liking South Paul

I don't really is It's not outside of I mean outside of Rocky no Raging Bull is probably up there I probably have to go raging ball Ooh, Cinderella Man. It's a good one. That movie, that movie, that was, that had the same fate of what happened with Solo.

Right. Like, why they put that movie out in the summertime is beyond me. Why in the world would you put that movie on the summer? I think, I think that it goes back to that, that one of the very few good points you've ever made in your life. Thank you. Is that movie stars don't sell movies as much anymore. And I think that when Cinderella Man came out, Back then they did, though.

I think back then was when it started to slide because they, okay, Ron Howard's making this thing and we get. I haven't seen that movie a long time. Right. Please tell me that one of the tomato cans that Russell Crow fights is Clint. Oh, it sure should be. He's, I mean, he pops up in every single movie. I know, it would be so great.

It's like, oh, you don't want to get, you don't want to get a piece of it's Quinn. His hair. Oh, goodness. You're more of a grudge. match guy, I guess. I was so bummed with that. Kevin Hart's great in that, though. You know, it's funny. It was before he really blew up. So I don't, I remember that he was in it, but it's, it's worth, I've never seen it before. It's worth watching just for him. But I think, yeah, I'm, the ones you threw out there pretty, are pretty good. I would have to say

Raging Bull because of the Jake Lamata story in general. Sure. Sure. Yep. I mean, you couldn't knock me down, Ray. Yeah. You couldn't knock me down. Like the whole, I mean, there's a, it's a stuff outside of the ring is really what you're looking at. And that's why the fighter is up there too. Yeah. Because all of the, the, the Boston sisters. Yeah. Are so good at being Boston sisters.

Really good. I'm curious. I'm sure we're going to get a lot of comments as far as what their favorite. Bring it on. That's why we're here. That's why we have been here because Junior's got to go. Yeah, so do I. Guys, thank you very much for join us.

Thanks for Mark for joining us. Now, we were going to put this show on Monday. We're going to start it on the new channel, but we're going to push it back a week. So we were going to put it on the 9th. It'll be on the 6th. So this will be on the main channel for another week. So when does this drop? This drops on Friday.

Tomorrow? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, it'll be on Friday. We're in now now. We're on now. So it's on Friday. And then so on Monday we're supposed to move everything over to the new channel.

Yeah. But we're going to put it back a week. Just going to push it back for a week. Because we have a lot of things coming up that I also, that you guys, if you know about it already, the canteenas, scum and villainy can't. Thank you to J.C. Rifenberg over there. We have a big event, Mike Kalinowski versus um, versus Chandrew for the title, the Ener Geekdom title that's going down big.

So make sure you get your tickets. New York is on sale now. October 9th. October 9th. 7th and 8th. By the time this goes up, hopefully you can also get stand-up tickets. Oh, that's on the 7th and 8th at New York Comedy Club. Yeah, August 14th. And then you got, um, you got a few more. Forget it all. Anyway, so he tried. And then it's spectacular. So The Spectacular is on December 4. So make sure you check that out.

And if you're not listening to this podcast, you should. Apple Podcasts, Spotify, the whole damn thing. Keep letting people know about the big thing we're responding to comments, doing all that. So thank you very much. And thank you to Mark Ellis for joining us today. And we'll see Mark next week. We'll see you guys on Monday. Peace out, everybody.

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