The Kristian Harloff Show - THE ACOLYTE EP 1 X2 SPOILER REVIEW!

Episode Date: June 6, 2024

The Acolyte is out and episodes 1 and 2 have sarted the Star Wars conversation all over again. How did it pan out? Was it good? Bad? Was in right in the middle? the High Republic murder mystery is a new era explored by Disney Plus. Amandala Stenberg stars in the Leslie Hedlund created show. Kristian Harloff and Steph Sabraw give their SPOILER thoughts.

How's it going, everybody? Welcome back. It is a later episode of the big thing on Wednesday, but we wanted to make sure that both myself and Steph have sat with both episodes one and two of the new Star Wars show, the accolay. We're going to do a full spoiler discussion on the show. People have been talking about the episodes. I did a review of episodes one through four, non-spoiler. I did my first two reactions of the actual episodes that are up on the channel now, episodes one and two. So if you're here, you're here, you're here. hear for any of that stuff and you want to hear the opinions on it you want to have a conversation about it make sure you subscribe to the channel i just did a out-of-the-the-the-the-reaction for the new it is is shana shaman's new directed movie the watchers i did that it did the out-of-the-theta for bad boys i got some reviews coming up pretty soon i have some other stuff got an inside-out two next week out of the theater reactions there's a lot of different things that i'm doing on this channel and then we're going to be doing spoiler-heavy reviews of this show show every Wednesday with myself, Steph, and Mike. The goal was to try to get us into the studio this

week, but I'm hoping that we can do one more on when next next week, next Wednesday. The three of us are kind of final LA in studio show and then we'll then then we'll be able to do more shows as the series goes on. So this is episode one and two. We'll do a spoiler discussion on this. So thanks for joining us here today. Let's get to it. It's myself and Steph's a bra. Here we How's it going, everybody? Welcome back. Once again, it is the big thing. It is Sith Council. It is a spoiler-heavy review in episodes 1 and 2 of the Ackleight. So if you're listening to us on Spotify or Apple, thank you. If you're watching us on the YouTube's awesome. Now, I've been doing all these Star Wars show with at least part of my crew, and I feel like a lot of it, a lot of times it's me. Steph Sabraa. Here she is. Steph, how you doing? Good. I'm the dream killer today. Are you? no I just thought that line was funny oh fair enough um you know it was also i mean roxy's coming on the show we're on friday we remember but we talked about the um the stand-up show you guys all you were able to at least i get to see you afterwards and we had to hang out of the comedy everyone said it killed

it was fun it was a good i'm so jealous it was a good time it was a good time but um i'm glad that you were there to get a couple drinks and get a nice time so and we were leading up to this man So here it is. This is how I've been breaking down the arrival of this show in general. It was announced, I think, in like 2020. And when you and I heard about it, we were like, oh, they're going to finally do something about the Sith. This is like whether they're going to do something in the old republic, whatever, kind of the building between Plagueis and Palpatine and watching that buildup between the Battle of the Sith.

And then you kind of heard some more stuff about it. and then it was like maybe it's not going down that route. And then the trailers came out and I feel, correct me if I'm wrong, I feel like you've been stronger on the trailers than myself and Mike have been. But the trailers themselves have been just to me, okay. And then the series hits, episode one and two, they hit. And I'm so curious. I'm going to start people know my opinion thus far.

And I know maybe you don't yet. But what did you think? I liked it. I liked the first two episodes. I thought both of them had strengths that I was looking for. And then there's also some parts that I'm a little bit concerned about or just curious what direction they're going to go in. I do not like that one of the biggest excitement,

exciting parts about this show was Carrie Ann Moss for me. And what? She has to come back in a flashback. I have to think that she at least. is going to get a full episode flashback. If not, I just feel like we wasted a get out of jail free card by having Carrie Ann Moss in the Star Wars franchise,

Alexi. They drew Barrymore screamed her, but the difference is they didn't promote with Drew Barrymore and scream, really. It kind of did, but not really. And this, this promoted her,

like she was going to be like this big role in it. Now, again, I've seen episodes one through four. So just to let everybody know, and I'm only going to be spoiling episodes one through two. but it did when I was watching I was like no you can't kill oh what do you oh we're killing trinity we're showing and and it also didn't make a lot of sense to where here is may showing up to kill kary ann moss and then she goes i'm coming to kill you and then she runs away and then she goes

back and then she runs away and then she's like she kind of she kills her with a knife even though the the master says don't use weapons all right well i'm not going to listen to anyway i'm going to use weapons and then the motivation behind it and what's going on i was like okay it's it the murder mystery side of it i'm going to go over the things that i because i i feel so far after at least episodes one and two the show is subpar at best subpar and i think and what i and what people said when i was talking about i was like like um a few people i can't believe you said the writing was good in this if you're comparing the writing to this to obiwan if you're comparing the writing to this to Asoka and Bobaet, it's, I mean, it's Oppenheimer compared to that stuff.

I mean, it's, so, and that is saying, do I think it's excellent writing? No, but I think that it is solid enough to where I care about this. I'm intrigued by the story to say, okay, I mean, again, if I, if I, if I, if I, I don't, I'm not going to spoil anything, so I'm making sure I'm very careful on this, but it's not supposed to be a big reveal that she's a twin. We know that pretty quick. With the second you see her as a mechanic and she's working, you're going, oh, well, you can just tell from the way she's covering.

Okay, so it was either a twin or a clone or something. You kind of knew that right away, right? Right. Yeah, I knew that. I was like hoping that there could have been something a little bit more to it for a second. I'm not mad at the choice, but for a second I was like, is she like an insane right did she lose her mind and she doesn't know that she's doing it yeah that i thought of that or like yeah she's just really good at tracing her steps and like knowing how to

cover her what she's doing but yeah it wasn't it was pretty clear that they're twins i just um and by the end of that i wasn't mad at it but i am a little bit confused about which i guess that that's what they want what they're what um what's her the good motivation yeah the her the her fear about yeah OSHA yeah yeah so and I think so throwing the positive in there I think that what Amanda Lestenberg does with both OSHA and Mays really well done I really my favorite character is hands down master soul he's very similar to the quite gone essence to him I think that the there's but there's there's some bad acting in it too there's some really bad acting.

The two best actors so far are three, Mandelaus Denberg, Daphne Keene, and then Le Jeanne, is that right? Yeah. Okay. So those are the three best. The two worst are the green alien that's in the High Republic movies, the master. She's so stoic. And then Yord. Get Yord out of there.

Oh, Yord. Okay. So I this is the I'm loving hearing thoughts. They're really I do I hear a lot of them like I do think that for me it's taking a little while it's an ensemble cast right. So that was part of the exciting part of it. But the burden you carry with an ensemble cast is making me interested and invested in every single character. Like in I feel like the person who comes to mind who can just do this. So. well is James Gunn with Suicide Squad or Gardens of the Galaxy or like so quickly like I ride for all these characters. I do think a lot of the Jedi's and maybe it's purposeful have a similar demeanor like the carry on carry yeah they're kind of fools again too they're kind of fools again yeah they're like stoic and quiet and calm and just like really apprehensive and I agree master's soul for me is just like steals the scene but I and I like and I'm liking Amandala but I knew I I liked them as an actor for a long time now so I'm not surprised it's just more like getting the story going I think for

me yeah and and that's what I said at the end of both one and two was look do I turn this show off like there are a lot of people that do feel this way they think that it's just terrible they think it's horrible. And there were some, there were some that were predictable that we're going to say that. And then there's other people who were just in the middle going, I just didn't work for me. I don't care about this show whatsoever. I'm out. And that's, and that's fine. And as I said a few times this week, I'm listening to the people in the middle, right? Because I, it was about as predictable as I thought it would be. There were people like, there were people after my review that I came. And I clearly said up front, I did not like episodes one and two.

Didn't like it. And I still, of course you did. You paid shill. And I'm like, huh? And then I got something right afterwards that said, oh, you just don't like anything anymore. And it's like, so that was predictable. I saw that coming from everyone who wants to love everything. And I saw it coming from everybody who wants to hate everything.

But then I was really paying attention to those who were like, look, I went into this thing going, I don't know what to expect. And it just, I didn't, I didn't like it. I didn't care. I don't want to watch it anymore. And then there were other people that were like me who were like, okay, I think that a lot of these characters made some stupid choices. But I'm intrigued enough into the story that I want to see where it goes.

And I think that that's where the industry, there's some really predictable stuff. Like the twin stuff was predictable. Now, I think there's only two choices of who is going to be this. Sith and it's either going to be, you know, the Asian guy who is helping her out with the, you, uh, you, Oh, a mani does see, do care. Yeah, Quamer, quimmer. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. It's either him. Yeah. Yeah. It's either, yeah, it's either him or, um, or it's going to be someone else who I, who I, who I think, but I don't want to, I'll save that for later. But I think there's only two choices and I don't, and I hope it's neither.

I hope it's neither because it'd be so predictable if it's either one of them. So there's predictable things where you can start to guess it already. I have no idea why. And it looks like, and Steph, you know I'm not this guy. But it was like, okay, I'm looking around in every single character. It's like when I walk into it and you see the one, the balding Jedi who takes his own life, the poison, is the white guy. He's like, he's like, oh, I'm sorry about everything we did.

What did he do? What we don't, I mean, and I still, and I've seen four episodes, I don't know what he did. And everybody else is like, kind of like, no, let's, let's ride this through. And he's like, ah, it's just kind of a mess, that guy. And I don't, I don't know, there's no, there's no strong. I feel like to me, there's no real balance in this show as far as, and I've talked about this and many times over. And if I get shit for it, I really don't care anymore. That I think that there's times. And in this casting, I think that there are, there's perfect

casting. I think Amanda Lestenberg is perfect casting. I think, um, uh, Saul, perfect casting. I think Daphne Keene, perfect casting. And then I do think there's some forced casting. I do. I'll be completely honest with you. I think there's some force casting. I think that there's some where it's like, where Leslie Headland made a very specific show that she wanted to make. And I was having a conversation again with a few friends of ours. And I said, I think that's totally fine. And people are like, oh, she just wanted to make the Star Wars she wanted to make. She can do that.

But you can't say, why does not the entire fan base love this? Because you're aiming it toward, and I hate people, this is not for Star Wars fans. It is for Star Wars fans. It is for a particular, it's either aiming for a particular Star Wars fan. They're not aiming for the entire fan base, though. I don't know if you agree or disagree with that. Yeah, I think that that has been more of Star Wars' newest quest is these Star Wars stories under the vision of a person.

And it kind of takes it in what they want of that direction. And I think that there's good things about that. And I think that there are fair criticisms about that too. It is interesting to see what is working for me as a Star Wars fan with, all of these different creators who I do like their stuff outside of Star Wars and then seeing what they decide for Star Wars. And for me, it's not as much as the casting right now as the story. But I, I do, there are, I do like the twin thing. I do like this mystery, but I just, yeah, I kind of wish it was unfolding a little bit different. Like, I want to know Carrie Ann

Moss's character, like in Adara or whatever her name is. We get to see her for three minutes and then same with the white guy who was cool as fuck sorry that he was like impenetrable. It's so sick. But like who are you?

Yeah. And like and again, there's only so much I can say. But I mean there is but the development of it and I'm just talking about one and two because when I got when I said in my review for not the non-sployate part of it for three and four, is that I did feel a little bit more satisfied as three and four went on because the questions that I had about certain story points were answer. But I also think there's other things that it answers where and when I say that about you as you say there are and I think this goes to a like to a Ryan Johnson side of things too.

They let Ryan Johnson. And this is there's people who swear by last Jedi. You and I are not two of those people. But there are people who swear by last Jedi and it made a billion dollars, whatever it made. And so they go, okay, we let Ryan Johnson make his Star Wars. They, I think that there is, and I think they may certainly let certain people make their own versions of Star Wars with, and it's not like so outside the realms where there's no themes inside of it. Like you can't say, well, this, this doesn't feel like Star Wars at all. It does.

There's, I think that Corrassant looks beautiful. The idea of the high republic and what's going on there, the idea of the, of what soul has with the connection with. with the twins, in general, to be able to bring OSHA back and to telling Yard, or Yard, whatever his name is, to cut it out and listen. And those moments that are there, those Star Wars moments

that we've seen before, and maybe we've, familiar, but they are part of Star Wars. We've seen that before. But there's other things that it's like, look, this is the Star Wars world that Leslie Hedlin wants to create and it's through her eyes, through her vision. And they have to understand that you're not going to get everybody on board with this. And what I always said was, I just think that in a business side of it, if it's a $40 million

show, it's a $40 million show, you do whatever the hell you want to do. You make the show you want to in. Who cares what anybody says? Make what you want to do. You do your show. You're making $170 million show. If you're Bob Eiger, you're going, everybody needs to love this show. If I'm spending $170 million on it, everyone needs to love it.

So make sure that everyone feels included in it because I'm not telling it and I want to make it very clear that I'm not saying that the people who have voices and a show shouldn't. Of course they should. I'm telling, I always approach this and you know me too. I always approach it on the business side of things. And I'm just thinking if when, because the story that came out the other day was that this show cost $170 million. Right. last time you saw everybody on the same page with a Star Wars thing, I think, and please Steph, correct me if I'm wrong, was Mandalorian season one and season two. Everybody seemed to be

on the same page. So whatever money they spent on that particular show, it worked to kind of unify the fan base inside of it and had, I mean, look, you had Ming Now Wen, you had the late great Carl Weathers, you had Pedro Pascall. I mean, you had some incredible, incredible actors and stuff and stuck to me, it was going after everybody. So I think you make a $40 million Star Wars show, then you should do exactly what you want to do. But that's if I'm running it. I'm not running it. So maybe I'm wrong.

Maybe this is going to be the highest rated show of all time. But you, are you seeing any progression up in four that makes you excited about five? Or did you end kind of in the same way as two? I'm still, I'm still what I, and this is the other thing I told you, I had people yelling at me in the comments, saying that I was, of course you like it. I said, no, after I watched episode four, I'm watching the show and saying, I want to see where this story goes. I'm interested in this story, regardless of everything that I just said, I'm interested

in the story. I'm invested enough in the characters that I can say, where is this going to go? I'm hoping there's something that happens in four that I'm like, there's something that I think is so predictable that I hope that I'm wrong, that if I'm wrong, that I'm wrong, I'm going to wind up liking the show a lot more. If I'm right, I'm going to wind up liking it a lot less. But they're setting things up that I'm like, all right, there, I mean, look, there are certain things. People talked about episode three. And I wind up enjoying three because I thought it explains questions that I was wondering about. I thought they, they did certain things that I was like,

okay, that makes more sense than it did before. But they also do things in three that's going to, that I already saw for people who saw it. You're going to piss off the fan. based beyond belief in the essence of what the force is and all that stuff. And it's like that's the kind of stuff that I mean where I'm like, okay, this, it's kind of like, well, like kind of what last Jedi did, except the difference is that with Last Jedi, people have spent a money to get the ticket. They don't like it. Tough shit.

You bought a ticket. Um, you don't like it after episode two. They turn it off. Your ratings go down. So, um, yeah, but I don't know. I, I mean, I am. Damn. I am curious.

Yeah. interested enough in the characters. I'm interested enough to see where it goes. I'm interested enough to say, you know, let's, what do you got episode five? Because what I, and what I won't do, no matter what, I could wind up telling you at the end of this show, look, they did, they made moves that I didn't see coming. And it negated everything that I said to you on that episode of that spoiler on one and two. But I'm just saying for what I've seen for one through four, it just seems like there's a very specific, um, tone they want for this particular show. How do you think, what do you think about how it looked?

Wonderful. I think they, I think that's where the money went. The money went in, and the money went into the majority, like, there's very good actors, very good performances. And I will say, I think Leslie Hilton did a very good job directing the first episode. I think there was that the fight scene with Carrie Ann Moss and, and Amanda Lo was fantastic in the beginning. I think that, um, there was,

Chorissant looked beautiful. I think there's a lot of times, and this is a positive, not a negative. There are sometimes, I'm like, wait, is that the volume? No, that's not the volume. That's a real location. I love the use of real locations. The, a, a, a criticism and a, I guess a positive and a negative, I should say. Positive is the music.

Music's really good. Really, really good, solid. I'm like, oh, that sounds like Star Wars music. The negative? This is the music. the they still stuff. Kevin Kiner is the only one that has figured out. You can still use John Williams themes

and still use your own theme and put snippets in it. We're in the world. You've got thousands of Jedi walking around. Where is the G.D. Force theme? How do you not have the Force theme? Why do they want to distance themselves so far away from the John Williams stuff? It's like having a James Bond movie without having the James Bond movie. without having the James Bond theme in it.

It's like use the Star Wars familiar music. Not for every damn track and every damn scene, but make you go, oh, there it is. I feel it. And a couple times they tease it, but use it. And they don't do it. They didn't do it in Obi-Wan. They didn't do it in all these different shows.

I don't understand why they don't do it. They're like scared of it for some reason. I don't get it. They had the crawl, which was nice. Not the crawl. It wasn't a crawl. It was just the opening. blue thing. I know, but I feel like it was a good step in the crawl direction.

They used a crawl for Asoka. Yeah, yeah. And then they didn't use it for this. It's like there's no consistency. Yeah. At first I thought, I was like, is it moving? No. Yeah, it's the same. Look, and this is what I said. What I do like, again, another positive is the, they'll get a little dark with it. It's not, it's not goofy. They're not trying to, not trying, even like the humor that they have to me, one of my biggest pet peeves and whether it's superhero movies or Star Wars movies is when the jokes are just in there to be jokes.

And it's like, oh, now is your time. Hey, but I'm bum, like that type of shit. Like that drives me nuts. But when it's like, okay, this is a character that is saying a particular thing because that's in their personality and happens to be a funny moment, that works for me. And there's a few moments like, I never feel, there's no, to me, there's no, to me, there's no forced humor. I think I think yard or yord. I and I don't know if it's the actor or if it's the character. Got to go. If the Sith chops his head off, not going to care.

He does give very much narc behavior. He, but all of them are kind of the same, like I said. So I'm curious. I love Daphne Keene. I want to see her character develop a little bit more. because she has cool promise, but again, like Master Soul and Yard, like they're very quiet into the book. Yeah. So.

And, well, that's the thing, right? The Jedi are, they had an opportunity, anything you said in the beginning. The Jedi are kind of like soulless.

They just, it's just kind of like, very bland. And it's, I like their outfits, but there's, there's nothing to them. Minus,

you know, soul has, is, Daphne Keene, those are the two that really, they stand out, the stars, they should, but everybody else is just the same kind of generic Jedi that we've seen in, it could have been in episode one, the same type of, there's nothing to it. And do you, let me ask you this, because it takes place 100 years before, minus the fact that you don't highly have to be caught up.

And if you're a casual fan, you can just tune into it. Do you think that it really matters that it's 100 years before? because we thought it was going to be a the infiltration of the sith and it very well could be that down the line but it does it seems more so about this story of these two sisters more than it seems like anything about you know the inside politics of of the siths kind of yeah i know i don't think we're getting that uh which is a bummer because i feel like there's a way to do both and maybe they are going to because there is a big bad that we haven't met yet and maybe they're more intertwined the story than we think, but I don't know.

I feel like they're really focusing on the sister thing. But I am, there is still in my mind, it's not so, I'm curious what your thoughts are, but I don't know exactly what, where I think they're going with it. Yeah, well, we've got a lot to talk about with the episode still. Not going to stop the show just yet because we have a lot to talk about. So before we do, let me tell you real quick about two of our pals. We got both Tushy and Mac Weldon. I'll tell you about both of them right now.

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like i said there are there are two people that i am convinced that it's seems to be one of the two that's going to be the Sith. And I'm so, so hoping that Leslie Headland goes, uh-uh, you were wrong. A-hole, you thought so much you knew. Well, it's nobody you know. It's somebody from the shadows. It's somebody completely, you know, no one. You don't know who this person is.

And that's what I'm hoping for. But we'll see. But that whole scene, you know, when she's, and did you, did you, remember we talked about this in the trailer? Did you feel like sometimes that they were playing? playing like dress up or did you always feel like they were actually it was it was part of the is part of the world uh yeah there was some like times that's what i was saying that i'm getting used to the characters it did there are parts where it did feel like oh it's a pilot i i don't know so i'm

hoping that my view gets a little less sharp yeah so it seems like you like and i'm not going to speak for but from listening to you describe it. It seems like you like the world they're setting up, but you're not completely on board yet. Yes. I like, yes, I like a lot of it.

It just, I'm not like, I cannot wait for the next episode. I'm more like, I'm interested to see where they take this. And I like enough where it can still be great to me. I think we're, then you,

then you pretty much watched it the way that I did. I like, I, when I, when I, when I, that episode, I said, okay, I'm going to keep watching. I want to, I want to know where this goes. I will say, though, here's the, what OSHA finds out, oh, there's May. Let me shoot at her

with a stun gun or shoot at her, or whatever I'm going to shoot at her with. And my aim is so bad that they're going to base the stormtrooper off me. Like she is. Oh, my God. Yeah. Or what was she shooting at? Does she need glasses? She was shoot. I mean, I mean, she was right in front of her. She shot like the ceiling. It was, it has to be. purposeful. It had to have been like a warning or emotional, but if that's really her aim, absolutely not. Absolutely not. Shoot the car. Shoot the, shoot the, shoot the, shoot the speaker. Shoot anything. Shoot the pot next to it. Just show like you want to be more intimidating. Shoot something, blow up something right next to it. You're shooting the ceiling for it. It's like

you look, you look like you missed that. It's like someone, they're playing like in the in a championship game and they put up a three and it's all it's just an air ball it was bad yeah and also yeah i made it feel like when a kid first picks up like their first air soft or something like that you're like what are you doing you do yeah and then i think that one of the things that speaking of your word i think where they're going to go with him is i think they're going to kind of make them like a, you don't watch stranger things, right? Or you do. I do. So Steve from Stranger Things, I think they're trying to do that, like where you think he's a dickhead at first and he winds up being like a good guy and they're going to want that he dies. Maybe. I mean,

that's the other thing is that depending on how they go and where we overall go with the, where this story with the Sith and everything else is going is that you would assume that most people have to crap out. It's like, you know, what's funny is, even there was a weird and I'm glad we can go back to this there's a weird scene in the beginning of episode one where and I don't know why it's in I don't know why it's in the show they're sitting around at that camp and they and and they find out and it's before they find OSHA and or no no yeah it's right before they just they remember that OSHA's on the edge of the cliff and before they find her yeah and they and I think it's Daphne keen and says well May is is alive and then

what's his face? Oh, it goes, no, it can't be. She's dead. I saw her. I saw her. She's dead. And then the next scene is OSHA saying, May's alive.

And he goes, I believe you. Why didn't you believe the other one? When she just said that I think that's true. There was a moment where, and there's still, I have this thought where there's something more with that, with soul. And I don't know if it's that they, like, had it wrong, which is like kind of a story we've seen time and time again of Star Wars, where they judged their

had a wand wrong or saw the dark side in someone or something and then blew up the whole place basically metaphorically but seemingly physically in this story and then he wanted to they're all ashamed of that past and but yeah

but though that switchback I was like that has to be intentional I don't know I mean what and what do you think about as for I mean we've you've been on the same page with me on this. What do you think about turns? You think we're going to, and I know Mike, Mike is Mike's definitely the one he does not like when people turn. Do you think we're

going to see any turns from people? Good to bad, bad to good. I think that there is a very high chance that May will turn because, and unfortunately it comes after a lot of turns. But fortunately, she does have more of a case than most people, in my opinion, because if you did think that your sister, your twin, and maybe I'm biased because I'm a twin. If I went my whole life with like my appendage missing. And then I found out that she was there and she was felt differently about the situation or might not know.

I would do anything to get, at least try to get time with her. Sure. Sure. And that's, and I understand that. And I think that again, I want to make sure that there's, there's more events that happen into three and four that can either add or take away from that argument, so I want to try to stay away from it. But there is, it goes back to, it's hard when you've been telling,

when you're telling a story inside of a genre, an IP that's done so many different stories to not stay with the cliches or stay with the things that have been done a thousand times. And I do think sometimes that because it's a Star Wars thing, they do it even more, right? Like there's always got to be a face turn. It always has to be a heel turn. It always has to be this thing. And I feel like that might be a felony thing. I don't know.

I don't know. But I wonder where they're going to go with it. But I do think that there might be some. It feels maybe, though, that the many character is pulling, could potentially be pulling a Kaiser Sozee. Maybe. even in the way that he's delivering his lines in that, you know, when, because it's, if you notice, it's interesting when he, when he walks up to, uh, to OSHA and he's like, his demeanor changes a bit.

Yeah. And he says, and he says, you do look just like her. And he doesn't say it in the kind of foppish, goofy way that he's been talking. He says it in a more sinister way. So that was kind of one of me going, Hey, wait a minute there. Yeah, I agree. There's definitely something more complex to his character that I started to really dig by the end of the episode.

And now it being one of my most curious points where I do want to see him interact with more people because it does seem like everybody he interacts with, he has a little different of a vibe. Yeah. So we'll see where that goes. But I think that if you go, if you kind of go through the characters. themselves and you start with again these first two episodes um i think that they've i think what amandalist denberg has done has separated may and osha very well that i that i know i know the difference not just because one's wearing a purple rope um i i when they show up it's it's it's interesting like i'm not going oh wait well which one's that i can tell and i can tell from the way that amandal is

presenting the characters with with their eyes i can i can i can i can i can i can i can see it so i think that you again i should probably ask you this so i don't give anything away but where where do you see may right now besides what you just said about the potential of her you know changing but like her motivations do you feel like she's clear or you think you need i think you already said you want to see more but but how do you feel overall with her no definitely unclear because what exactly happened where you left your Jedi training, I feel like there's way more to that story. And I just want to know more about her interactions with Soul

or maybe in Dara if she got to interact with her. But I know that Soul was actually training her. So that I feel like we have to go back and explore. And then her own ideology on the Jedi. and if it lines up anywhere with her sister, then we have something there. Right. And I think what they did is the way they set up with OSHA

and the fact that we need to find out a little bit more of why she ran away. What happened there? Why was she out of the Jedi or why was she, it was almost like an Asoka thing, it seems like, right? Yeah. But why are we going to find that? Yeah. We got to find out why.

yards such a dill hole. We got to find out why. Like, did they have a thing? Maybe, right? Like, I keep, and I watched, it was, it's, and I think that there's parts of this show that I think are written, well, I do. And you can dispute that all day long, guys. But then there's other times where I agree with the people who are going,

their writing is not so great, because I was, I had forgotten. He mentions up top, I think, that they kind of went through the academy together or whatever it was, but I had forgotten it. And by the time I get to the one of the last, the last episode that I saw, and he's talking. And I'm going, why is he such a, how does he don't even know her? And then I'm like, oh, wait, they did the academy together. But like, he's so one note that he's just like, yeah, he's just the kind of anal Jedi who does everything by the book. And yet he still questions, he'll question what soul's doing and he wants to do it.

But he's, look, he's a warrior though. He's not like, he's not like a wuss. he's a warrior he'll get he gets right into it and he's ready he's ready to scrap and so respect that but the only ones i feel are the most layered right now are soul and then the twins nobody uh even daphne keen who's great i don't feel like there's any layers right character right i agree with that yeah so i don't know me yeah out of the jedi yeah i mean i think out of everybody who else who else who else who else who quimere or Manny's character, I think that there's layers.

He's interesting, right. I mean, he's interesting because you think that there's more to it. But like, yeah, he's just, right now he's just a guy in a shop that took over for another guy in a shop that happens to be working with one of the twins. And, you know, there's really, there's interesting. And, you know, like, wait a minute. Who's that guy? Sure. But it's there, I just feel in certain shows like this, you want to be like,

if you want to come out swinging like and especially that's what I say when it comes to marvel and it comes to star wars you want to come out swinging in a show where right now when you know you're going to have people complaining no matter what you want to go we're just going to freaking take this this is the best thing that we've done in a long time how do you feel by that and they very well may feel that way I don't feel like that's the way it's coming across because I don't think some of the like the like you know I had posted yesterday after ever after I call like came out and I said How excited is everybody for House of the Dragon season two? People are losing their minds over that show.

And now my example for that was because of what I just said where Marvel and Star Wars right now, I feel like you would agree or like kind of like on shaky ground with the fan base, right? It's like half of it loves it. Everything they do doesn't matter. Give me, give me, give me. Another side of it is like, ah, we hate everything about this. Star Wars is dead. And then there's people like, if we just want to like it again, show it to us.

that's that's where star wars is marvel is similar not as i don't think it's as you know civil worry but i think it is definitely it's it's similar when you have marvel who right now is like is like this and they need they're hoping Deadpool is going to be a boost and then they're going to try to re re you know reconnect with the audience and just keep keep it here so you look at house of the dragon Game of Thrones, the last season, was about as divisive as you can get. It was the last Jedi of the Game of Thrones, right? People were losing their minds off that season. So people were like, I'm done with anything Game of Thrones, they ain't watching it.

The House of the Dragon comes out, all is forgiven. People love the show. People losing their minds of that. And the development, when they came back, as I mentioned, they came back swinging. They came back with rich characters. They came back with strong lore. they came back with just, you know, emotion, they came back with everything.

And that was even if you and I both said, after the first episode, two episodes of this show, we're going, okay, we want to see more. You know as well as I do. We both wanted to be like, did you see that? And we didn't do that.

Right. I know. I, and every time it doesn't happen, but especially with this one, because I just really, like I every time I kind of root harder and harder for the hoping that I'll love it and be like oh my god I'm just like such a fan and I do like oh I just I'm becoming more of a casual viewer which makes me sad and then it always brings me into this like existential thought process where I'm like is it just not for me anymore? yeah I feel the same. Yeah.

And that's so it's honestly kind of skisanship. Because you're like, it's a part of you in your childhood and like your imagination, your creativity. And I just know how much hard work it takes to put something on screen. So I, the mixture of everything makes me want to just love it. And I do and I like a lot of it. It just is I'm not, I'm having a problem with that like like love. Like, oh my God. Like telling my family, you have to sit down and watch fall out.

like you ask right like you want and and who doesn't want to do that like i mean this was the freaking story we thought we were getting with the sith and everything too i was like i was so pumped for that i said it a couple times it's like my most anticipated show they're doing a hundred years before the pre-go i was like this is going to be my thing it's going to be like me when i was playing night so i can't wait for this that oh wait the creator or and and a showrunner russian doll is doing this and and she's read up on all the on the sith lore i'm like come on let's go and then i'm just like this is the story we're telling i'm like okay i'll i'll watch it but I'm not like losing my mind over it.

But I don't understand in the same way that like I don't, I've said things in here that I'm sure I'm going to get people going, oh, really? That's what you think about this? So you just don't want, you wouldn't want to see this person in that role. And then I'm going to get the other people going, you said it was good.

Are you out of your mind? Oh, maybe you're not going to go to the premieres now, buddy. And I don't go to the peers anymore. It's too far away from my house. So it's like that type of stuff is, again, predictable. but I feel the same way that I did before, that if this is the story that they want to tell, then you should let them tell it.

And there shouldn't be tweets about it and talking about how much you hate it and Star Wars is dead and all that. It's like, okay, have a, you know, if that's what you got to do, it's what you have to do. I don't, I just think I'm more so with you is that the more of this stuff happens, the more stuff I watch, I go,

maybe I should just start, watching other stuff with the kind of love and expectations that I used to have for this franchise, right? Like I used to have the, oh, I can't miss it. How if you're, if you said to me again, like you only get one show that you can watch House of the Dragon or Ackleide and you can't like right now, you're like House of the Dragon. You can, you haven't even seen episode one of season two and you've seen the first four episodes of Ackleight. If I told you can't watch any more Ackleight, but you can watch all House of the Dragon. I'm like, see you later,

Ackleine. Like, without even flinching. And in the same way, I feel the same way about dark matter on Apple. Like to me, the show with Joel Edgerton and Jennifer Connolly right now, I'm more locked into that show. Like that the new episode comes out

tonight. And again, if you told me Ackleite was coming out, the new, and I'm saying this as someone who's interested in seeing where it goes. And you're like, you can only watch dark matter season one of a show you never heard of you know five five weeks ago or acolyte see you later accolite it's just it's a i think that it's just a well-crafted it's just better i think it's better television um than what they're doing in general lucas film it's the same problem that i've had

lucas film the creative is just all over the place i know but i also i don't know if it's this overarching feeling of how i'm feeling about a lot of disney projects too in general like I just feel like I don't know exactly how to explain the difference of when I see Percy Jackson

as opposed to Harry Potter that was made like 20 years ago now I still like Harry Potter better and that it might be a nostalgia thing I just think that I don't know some of the way that they're capturing I say that to say that it's not just like I'm I'm too old for kids stuff I still like this like magical world that we've

that we're creating in have created it just something about the way that they're being made is not hitting me the way that I want them to look at and you still haven't watched one piece have you I did watch one piece you love one piece on Netflix yeah oh I liked it yeah Live action? Yeah, I really liked it. I loved it. And that show is nowhere near made for me. And I loved that show.

And it goes into the points that you were just making. The way that it was made, the story that was told, the truth it took to the lore and the actual material itself from everything I knew from One Piece fans and the things. And you talk about where, and I've talked about this many times over. When I started doing reactions to that series, I thought the fan base was going, because I'm so used to how horrible Marvel, DC and Star Wars fans are that I'm like, all right, I'm going to, and Game of Thrones fans are I'm going, okay, here we go. I'm going to say, I'm going to say somebody's hat should have been to the left one. It should have been to the right and someone's going to come get me. Most welcoming fan base.

Yeah. They were loving and saying, oh, just wait until you see this. Actually, his name is so-and-so, and they did this. And it was like, I had, I've never had more fun reacting to a show or talking about a show than that show because it was like, yeah, okay, maybe you didn't get that, but how about this? No, you didn't understand that, but that. And it was exactly what you just said. It was made with this type of love and this passion and the understanding for it. Not to say that this, like, I do think very much so.

I think Leslie Headland is a fan. I think Leslie Handle is making exactly what she wanted to make. And I think that, I think it is a well-made show. I think she did a great job directing it. I just don't think, like I said earlier, there is, and people will dispute me on this. I think that just to reiterate it, when you're making a $170 million,

you've got to aim towards everybody if you want to, if you want to be successful. You really do. And they might be in that room going, we don't want to aim towards everybody. We want to do this. And F those people who don't like it because this is what we're going to do. Fair, fair point of view.

but again you spent $170 million on it you have to understand that if Bob Iager goes hey our streaming numbers are about you know 25% less than what we thought they were going to be from episodes four on what's going on you might have your answer is all I'm saying yeah yeah I I I loved one piece I did I was trying to remember how I really felt about that because confusing my excitement about that and Avatar the last airbender. Oh, yeah. Okay. There,

I did really like one piece, especially like hearing the way that they honored the animated version and the things that they made different. I just thought were really cool choices. But yeah, I think that I'm, I'm very hopeful still that I'll like the rest of the season because it's like, it is so much pressure for all of these people.

involved and I know that's what the business is. You just have to be okay with it. But just for the Star Wars and for Star Wars fans, I hope that it is a good show. But I think, but, step, I think that that point of it, to be completely honest, almost at this point between us,

talking about this is irrelevant because I think that the story that they're telling if they deliver on it could very well wind up being a good show. I think that it's a, I think it's a decent show right now with the story that they're telling like you and I both said it's like where's just we want to know where it's going does it right if it does I think that's that's that's going to be you know I just think for

star wars and what people and because there there is there's a side that I and I kind of just kind of mentioned it where you say hey we just want the whole fan base to be on board again and say yeah this is the thing that we've loved all years and then there's people who are going to go well there's no world where the people over there who hate everything are going to like it again because they just want to hate everything and they're never going to like it. So who gives their shit what they say? And part of that is true, part of it.

But then there's another part of it of going, well, yeah, but there's still, there's some people that just want to watch certain things and the things they loved about Star Wars that isn't being told anymore. And to tell them, F you, not the right way to go. And then the opposite side of that is those people are going, yeah, we hate Disney so much.

And we hate everything that you're doing, that, yeah, you love everything. Stick it up your ass for loving everything. You freaking chill, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And you're just yelling at people for liking stuff. And that's just like, hey, you got a puppy in your hand. I'm going to kick you in the ball bag.

And it's like, who, who cares? If somebody, like, because the argument would be like, well, we've got to make a stance on it. You think both, what are you making stances for? You either say, you don't. And that's the other thing. You can't say you like something. You can't say you dislike it. It's so stupid.

It's like politics. It's so stupid. how this whole thing goes. But there is relevant arguments. And you can say, straight up, you can say, I don't like this show. And I'm sure people will have claims against me today for saying the things that I said about the show itself. And for me, it's like, no, I just think that if you're looking at the business side of things, you just have to be relevant.

Make the same show you want to make. but you just have to you have to understand you know what business wise what you're doing yeah yeah i think um i agree completely but it's interesting you bring up house of the dragon too which is although the main story focuses on the very white characters there are yeah it is a very diverse cast. Yeah, it is. So it just is there, yeah, I just think that it

really comes down to the story and how you're telling that story and pulling with our emotions. Like, it's so also subjective because for me, I think it would have hit harder to get to know the characters who died just at least an episode. And then I would have been like, oh,

the show's so savage. But then at, but it started in the beginning. So it's like, okay, like, they're just, this is just, yeah. That's a good point. It's like, you know, in the way that, uh, well, I'll just say this for how, for, uh, Game of Thrones. There's characters that you got attached to in season one that you're like, there's no way they're going to get rid of them.

And then they do. And you're like, holy crap. So. And the only reason you feel like that with Carrie Ann Moss is because it's Carrie Ann Moss. Right. No, totally. Right.

And you're like, this is Carrie Ann Moss. Yeah, and you're pissed off that she's gone. Yeah. Yeah, you're pissed off that she's gone because you're like, oh, that's, I got to see her do one Trinity fight. And I don't get to see enough about her. And that's, oh, that's who she killed. That kind of sucks. And that she was duped real quick because it wasn't even like, and that's the other thing.

It kind of took away from how powerful she was because so far, it, like, May is good. But May doesn't see, it made of me isn't someone that's like, oh, look out for May. she's devastating. She's like, no, she's a good, she's a good fighter. She can, she can get some stuff.

But how, how did she best, parian Moss? Because she distracted her from killing somebody. I'm like, I don't know. Right.

Right. And the whole time she was like, mess, I feel like Carrie Ann Moss's character, Indara was so much stronger. And then I get the point of it is that, and they did this in Obi-1-2, where they have the Jedi

basically choose between compassion and staying low and or defending themselves. And it's the same answer. They're going to try to save the other person. But I do think that she was just such a better fighter than her. And soul is too that I'm like, she's a cool fighter. She's still young though. How is she this much of a threat?

And it's like I don't, that's what I mean. I don't buy it yet where it's like it doesn't seem like she's been consumed by the dark side at all. Right. She doesn't even like had any conversations with the, with the, with the master whoever it is. We don't even, well, I've had conversations, but doesn't necessarily know who, who it is. And it's manipulation. We know that. She's clearly not a Sith. And she's just like, you know, this someone is doing is an, is an acoly, whatever. But it's, uh, I don't know yet, man. I don't know. And then, and I hope, look, there's always, there's always been shows and movies that maybe have started off slow and then can get you towards the end and go, because,

as I told you in the beginning of this conversation, there's something that I feel like is going to easily happen and it's predictable. And if it turns out that I'm wrong, I'm going to wind up liking the show a lot more because I'm going to go, well, wait a minute. If they're going to go that other direction that I didn't see coming at all,

then, okay, well, then let's go there. But if it's the predictable thing that I feel 95% sure that it's going to happen, then it's going to be like, okay well then how does that play into the rest of the lore for for star wars yeah i'm yeah i'm curious well that's it man that's our conversation here today on um i can't wait to hear mike's thoughts i'm so curious to what he thinks i would i would assume i think i think he's in the same boat that we are and this is one of the reasons we don't really do sith council as much anymore is because i think

that all three of us kind of feel like it's just it's we appreciate what they're doing. We appreciate the people who are making it. We appreciate those people who love it. But it's just not, we aren't, we don't have that same kind of passion for it like we used to because the stories have just every time, how excited were you and I for Obi-One? Yeah. And you know what I mean? And we're like, oh, we're right, we're right there. And it's like, Boba-Fed. Oh, it's going to be a gangster story. It's going to be the good fellows of it. Come on. Hey, Sackoff's going to be the lead of Manorian 3. They're going to do. do all this stuff.

And then it's like Andor, and or when Andor comes back, we're probably going to be, hey, hey, let's do it. And it's, but it seems so, and or seems so detached from the rest of it. No, yeah, it seems completely different. It feels like these are all made in the same studio and Andor was made separately.

It totally feels that way. So anyway, maybe not the review you wanted to see. I don't know. Maybe it was. I have no idea. But Steph, where can they find you? What's going on? At Steph Sabra, the World Girls, Wednesday 6 p.m. Pt.

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