The Kristian Harloff Show - The Acolyte Episode 3 Spoiler Review

Episode Date: June 13, 2024

The Acolyte Episode 3 is here. The sisters backstory is explained. The witches show the force. What is going on in this show? Is it good? Bad? What does the Sith Council think? Kristian, Steph and Mike discuss.

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In the meantime, we're going to be doing this show here today. Episode 3, what did we think about it? We haven't really heard Mike's thoughts at all about the show in general. Steph and I had a spoiler-heavy review on episodes 1 and 2 last week, so we'll get into it. So if you're brand new to the channel, you've never been here before, subscribe to it. We've got a lot of stuff coming out right now. I have the reactions that I'm doing to the Acolyte. I have an out-of-the-the-the-the-the-tear reaction up right now for Inside Out, too.

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So let's do it, man. It's the big thing. It's me and Steph and Mike. Here we go. What's up, everybody? Welcome back. It is Wednesday. It's the big thing.

It is myself. And. Mike and Steph. You know, Mike. What's up? So for those people, don't know, Mike right now, is holding up the old school inner geekdom title.

And, you know, Smets came over over the weekend. Who? Yeah. And he was like in, the poor guy, he thought I was going to give him the new belt. But I gave him some really cool stuff. I gave him some gentle giant Star Wars stuff.

And giving people some stuff as I'm moving away. And I was like, well, I got to give that to Mike. Because Mike really built out that division and helped the whole corruption storyline and the tournament and really built it out. And then Smets goes, you know the second he gets it, he's going to post it, he's going to put it on his shoulder, and there you go. I'm not going to lie, Mike.

I feel like I should do a little more research before I say this, but I do think you had the most interesting storyline. In general or in the inner geekdom? In general. I mean, the corruption storyline was hard to beat. It was very telenovela, but. Yeah, you pitched that to me. And I was like, and you were happy, you were like, look at this logo. look at this guy does this logo for us.

It was the corruption logos of red and black because he had never done anything like that with my character and it was just like. Yeah, you were ultimate good guy. You were like Captain America. But there was like a podcast that had said, what if Kalanowski turned heel? And I was like,

and Mike called into the show, their show. Oh, yeah, that was. It was it Taylor Robbins? No, no. It was all about the belts or something. I can't, I can't remember what it was called. But either way, like, and you went on there and Mike did cut like this heel promo and I was driving to Collider and I heard it.

And I was like, that's it. This guy's got to be healed. You are healed. I tell you this, like, I still to this day meet people. I was at University of the day, I was being a raptor handler out there. And the guy comes up and he says, Mike, corruption. Like, brand-mally, I was a bit. So I was talking something like politics or whatever on Twitter and I said something about a punchable face.

And this guy goes, look in the mirror. And I instantly defaulted to, fuck you ass. So he's like, no, no, man, from corruption. You're impungible face. I love you. I'm like, oh, my bad. Whoops. Right.

Right. So Mike got the belt hot. But that's not why we're here today to talk about. It's not. Not today. We have a lot to discuss an Ackleit episode three drops. But before we do it, speaking of Mike, we missed out on your opinions on the show thus far on one and two. So summary on what you've seen on episodes one and two of the Ackleit. Okay.

When the kill off carry a mothed right away, I was kind of like, oh, okay, here we go. Here we go. I loved the murder mystery aspect of the show. And then they just got rid of that within five minutes. Because I didn't know what it was going to do. Because when she appeared and she killed the jet at the beginning, but then she's the mechneck, whatever they call her. And I was like, oh, she's living kind of like the double life here.

I was like, how are they going to do this? This is going to be cool. I was like, oh, twins. Okay. I'll say this. I was expecting it to look better for $170 million. And they're shooting. it in Europe like they did the Andor.

Yeah. And it just feels very soundstagey. I like it better than Asoka, though. These characters I'm invested in, like... Because you can join it fresh and not have to... But also, like, the whole thing with Saul when he met OSHA again. And again, they didn't run and hug like we were all joking in Osaka, but you felt like, like, oh, there's something there. So I don't know if it's an actor versus actor thing in the two different shows that makes me

believe one more. I think that... I like this show more than I like Asoka. the dialogue is better, much better in this show. I think this, I think as overall Star Wars though, Assoca feels way more like Star Wars. Yeah. Yeah.

As I was telling us, Steph last week, this show to me, it's not aimed at the entire Star Wars fan base, and that's totally fine. If that's what it is, that's what it is. But like, there are parts of this, I thought that this episode, absolutely, yes, this episode, continued the story that they were telling and at least gave you some backstory and said,

okay, we're telling the story. If you're invested in this story, if you like this, we're going to give you a little bit more of it, and now we're going to tell you why everything is the way it is. And if you're invested in this story, I think you can go, okay. But I don't know. It just to me, it feels very, as I said, like CW Young Adult Show. And I think that when the show was announced, I thought that we were getting more of that, like, Knights of the Old Republic

And or like you know the the sinister Sith that was the whoever who was playing the like you know the politics of the of the misleading of the Jedi and the and once again and we can go through the whole show in a second

the Jedi are just morons and it's and you know you said it off air before you're like yeah but isn't supposed to show their hubris I've done that already it's like during the High Republic I know that it's the end of it but like I remember when we were growing up and we first got invested in Star Wars like the Jedi were cool and there no it's like you Saul's cool soles like but we've seen the quagong thing before it's kind of like

that um but anyway step what did you for before we get to kind of break into the episode itself what did what did you think um it was it was fine again I told these guys that you guys that I just uh it didn't make me feel good like I love queer shit like I love I love I I watched so much, so many different shows where I'm, so I'm like, was excited actually about a Star Wars show that was kind of queer like Leslie Headland was kind of, that, that stuff never bugged me. But the problem is, as I don't really like the story. Yeah.

And I just, yeah, I just, I keep nitpicking it, which is such a bad feeling as a viewer and a lover of Star Wars. You're not excited. But you do that. Like, thinking about stuff, I don't like. made a good point. We've talked about this and they made me think, realize that if you're not into it,

you're going to pick apart every day. Like I, for me, like the little thing, there was a thing like, I think it was last episode, the guy, he's standing up to your yard

with the binoculars, looking down five feet below him. I'm like, and again, that shouldn't bother me, but like, why is he looking at binoculars right below him for five feet?

What? But it shouldn't bother me, but because I'm like kind of like, not really, I mean, you laugh at neck. How stupid that is that I think that. How about, how about?

No, it's not wrong. It's not wrong. How, it just didn't get to it. Yord, first of all, perfect name for him. Yeah. Yord. Yeah. He might be one of the worst star wars characters like ever.

Yord, you're, you're the worst. He's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's the worst. I don't mind him. He's the worst. Someone, I, I have a hard time to see it because people, they pointed out the kind of modernish hairstyle on him, and they showed like five video game characters recently and a couple movie characters that have that same kind of, yeah, Hip.

And when I'm, okay, let me ask you guys. When you're watching this Star Wars, are you taking everything or to this story? Because for me, it's like production design. Yeah. Everything in these shows I watch, because if I, if I just want a story, I'm going to read a book and let my mind fill all the things in.

So when I'm watching this, there was a, I think it was the first episode, they came into a town and they had like the gate. And the first time we saw that gate was in Force Awakens. It was a design that they chose for, you know, Jeku or something. But now it's showing up. But yet this was 100 years before Jeku,

and we never saw it. between those two. And I know it's trivial. Right. But for me, I'm like production design-wise, like, that doesn't work. It's, you showed it 100 years ago, then you showed it in Force Awakens. Why have we not seen it in between? But you liked it in that.

And it's part of Star Wars now, so you put it in your show. It's just like, and again, I'm nitpicking the hell out of it. Yeah, that's, but it's all that stuff we think about. I think that's fair. But I think it's, like, as I was saying, when I've watched, I've seen four of these, right? Yeah. So what I will say is that because one and two, I'm like, okay, I want to see where this goes, but I'm just, I know that I'm not, I'm not into this show.

After the third one, I was like, okay, as I mentioned earlier, because you set up these characters and you kind of sprinkled in the fire, you sprinkled in these things that had happened, you sprinkled in, oh, I watched her die, you sprinkled, so you gave me a little bit of it, like, oh, I get to see kind of that unfold. So that part of it, I was like, okay, I'm, I'm, I'm on board with that. I get to see a little bit more of how these two came to be, but then there were some, like, things inside of it that I was like, I was like, I I don't, like, we've, you can't say for people like, oh, how come the witches use the force? Well, the witches of Dathir used the force.

We've, we've seen that before, but it was just more so, like it looked like, to me, it felt like they were kind of diminishing the Jedi in general. It's like, oh, you're not the only ones that you know how to use the force. We are, and we're more powerful at it. We can create beings in the same way that, I guess, Cidias did it or whoever did it for Anakin, but we did it first. And because they, because they said they've created, they created the twins, I guess, The Zabrek carried them, and then the mother created them.

And so Anakin wasn't the first one to be born in that way. It seems like it now. It seems like it now. I think that's what everyone's going to. But it's like, why do you do that? Why do we need to do that? Like, I don't understand that. But let's kind of dive into the show.

Let me ask you guys just real quick, because you guys, maybe this is from the cartoon. But, okay, so the Jedi were created by Lucas because they were knights or monks or priests. Samarise. But then why with witches did they just create witches? Why didn't they give us the Star Wars version of what a witches and to create a different word for a witch and just like it's witches. Like before Star Wars, we didn't have Jedi before Star Wars, but we had witches. Right.

So when Lucas created, he was like, I wanted my own thing and this is what they were going to be. So when they wanted to bring witches into Star Wars, why didn't they pull a Lucas and go, okay, they're going to be called Zervras. Zabrax? Whatever. No, just nerve knobs. No, I actually think that's true. The nerve Novkannon is a coven or something.

Why didn't they create? In the same way that the, I mean, the Colomari looking, things are the Mont Colomari. Yeah. No, I get that. I'm just like, why didn't they go. They always talk about Lucas and Lucas and Lucas did the right. Well, Lucas was part of the, he was with them when they did the witches thing. Okay.

Yeah, I just didn't know why they, he goes, I can see him going, we're going to call them something different. Yeah, maybe, maybe. Maybe, but, but. Yeah, and pointless, trivial, but. Yeah. Definitely, I'm glad you admitted it. All right, so when you start off with Brendaque here, and this is, this is a real location.

That's really pretty. That's good looking. And then it'll look great. You start out in there, they set you up to where like, oh, she's not looking happy. That's got to be May. And then they kind of give you this, she's got the thing on her hand.

You're like, oh, is this a Dexter moment? Is she going to kill the thing? And it turns out it's not. That's May over there. May comes in, and you see, May's actually the happy one on this planet. And there's something about, OSHA where she's kind of questioning it overall about why they're doing what they're doing.

One is really happy. One is not. And you can see, like they, they're switching on you because OSHA is just miserable. It's like sadness and joy from inside out. And she's just kind of moping around the whole time. And then they give us that two is one, one is two, three equals four. And then Zabrak shows up. I thought that was Charlize their own for a second.

She's got that kind of vibe. But like it's, but she's fairly one-note and that she's, He's the one that is the harsh teacher. And, you know, and then he's hiding behind a tree. So, that's the beginning. Yeah, who knew the Jedi were cradle snatchers? Like, I didn't know that half their profession was going to planets. I know you guys.

I know you're kind of against it. I kind of dug it. Like the Jedi heard just pricks and they're stealing kids to kind of build their order off. But that's what they've always done. I mean, that's what happened to Anakin. Yeah, yeah. But that was like, I mean, but that's also giving him a better life.

But also, but I love that. It's like, we can free you. We weren't here to free slaves, just you. Like, looking back in that,

I'm like, I kind of like this. And I'm kind of like how they're kind of dickheads. Like these Sith, I'm like, the Jedi, I'm like, you guys suck.

Yeah. I want to like them. But I want to be a Jedi. I know. Now I don't. Now you don't. But that's such a great, no,

hold on. That's a great point. Is like that, that's what I think. think a lot of people have kind of been bummed about. And like there's a way to do it where you can scream and yell and throw tomatoes at the wall. And there's a way to look at it and say, well, that's a bummer because I feel the way you do. It's like, oh, you're making them such turds that I'm like when I took a picture of my kid as a Jedi, I'm like, oh, wait, are you going to turn

out to try to steal kids in a forest? But then, but don't, but don't you look at it this way then? Because I look at it this way then, it's like, because you as a person always have hope that you can be better and you can change things. Like, but we know that they're not because you go, you go, you from using one years and then Luke's all pissed off about it in a cave and last Jedi. You're right. I couldn't do it. No, the Jedi is supposed to also be taking from Buddhism. And I just don't think anyone meditating for that long should, would be like, you know,

what we should do? Corvin was meditating forever. That was it. How about receding hairline meditating? That's what I'm saying? Norbin or Dorbin, Corbin? I'm woken up. Oh, like, you couldn't, wait, you couldn't, the whole time you couldn't get the force for,

what? Oh, yeah, I remember that. Yeah, give me out of myself. Sure. What? I did like the way he was like impenetrable. Yeah, that was cool. And then, but yeah, everything about that guy.

They just made, I mean, you see him in this. He's the one guy shows up because he's the Padawan. The Wookie's fine. He's okay. He's ready to grill something in the corner. But then you've got the other two. You're not going to touch them, but here's potential receding hair line. Oh, yeah, let's get the weak guy and turn your eyes black.

Oh, yeah, we'll let you go. Maybe not. Now, don't worry about it. Yeah, a couple of years or no, he's just going to take. poison, why? Because why was he upset? Why weren't the other ones upset? What did he do?

Just because he got inside of his head? I'm trying to figure out, and maybe we'll get into later the episode. You want me to talk about the fire starting? Well, let's go. Okay, we'll get it. So he's hiding behind the tree. And I guess the Zabrex is not strong enough to realize that, you know,

to sense him. And then that's the name of the show. Well, also, May was on some freaky-diki. though with the butterfly creature. She was trying to kill it. Yeah. May it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When it came back, that's, well, when it started, you think it's OSHA. You think it's

OSHA's doing it and then May actually is going to Dexterate. Yeah. Let me ask you this. And again, this doesn't, again, this, I'm getting ripped apart for the shit. Does the name OSHA bother you? No. I think if I was a twin and my sister's name was OSHA and you gave me Grandma May. Okay, so we're not, okay, so we're on a different page.

I hear the word OSHA, two to three times a week at my job because it's the occupational safety hazard company. It's everything in a theme park is OSHA standards. OSHA handboxes. OSHA's going to come in and check to make sure that the stage is saved. So you get PTSD when you're. Dude, I'm like clearly knowing that wrote this show

has ever dealt with OSHA. Low key, to me, OSHA's the most annoying character. By far. The name so I hear her. I'm like, what are you? Hold on. You're going to leave your family? Yes, you do.

No, I want to hear Steph's point. Go ahead, Steph. Please, about the show that we're talking about. From the first scene, I was thinking, oh, no, am I going to like May more than OSHA? I can't, well, okay, so here's what I'll give OSHA. She's more like an anime character where they start out really annoying and then you kind of understand them and have a cool arc. But I don't, to me, it's like she has, like, privileged tears going on.

You have two dope moms. A sick sisterhood of witches where you can do cool things every day. Right. And she wants to be a Jedi. And what you want that. You don't even know what that is. I know, but you want that. But that goes back to your earlier point.

It's like every like, of course you want to be a Jedi. Jedi, but because you're saying, I'm like, why would you want to be a Jedi? They've set them up. And then Carrienne Moss has three lines, by the way. Carrie Ann Moss, Moss, my Trinity, my Trinity baby, three lines. I just, how, I need to hear from Carrie Ann Moss.

She only had two days to film. Occupational safety and health administration. That's what stands for. So that's who our main character is. Yeah. I would have called her Isha. There we go. Just change it.

Perfect. That's good. You're crushing it today. I got a time. Shut your mouth. So then we get back to the cave. And we have more of this, you know, you see them in the village. This was the first time I did say when I was with the reaction that the majority of the show thus far,

you could have told me that it was during the prequel era. It doesn't look any different. Maybe it's just because it was. on a different planet. I felt like it was a little bit more in ancient times. I felt it was like 100 years ago. I felt I kind of had that feel to it. But at the same time,

I still feel like it was people playing dress up, if that makes sense. But then we have- Jody Turner Smith. So she's great. She's my favorite character. She's great. And so she shows up

and stern, powerful, caring, you get who she is and she runs the joint. And I thought that they played that really well. And you can see that the respect and the kind of connection that she's got with both the kids. But then the Zabarak predictably comes over and says, you know, whatever, it's the same.

It's just setting this, really, I'm just so hoping that I'm wrong that she is not the Sith. I think it's the mother. No way. I asked you. When you saw dead. I don't think she's dead. I don't understand how any of them are dead.

She's too tall. I asked you this. How are they going to fit her head in that helmet then? I mean, you know, you're depending. I think it's pretty, it's pretty, it's a skin tight helmet. It's pretty tight on that head. It's true. I hope, look, I hope I'm wrong.

People, the other one that's set up for is the, what's his name, Mani Kinto? Yeah. Oh, Wesnar Miller. It's between those two, and I hope it's neither. I hope it's neither. Show us someone completely different and show us the fact that the Sith were actually the ones who wiped out the witches. Yeah, I'd like to get to some of the Sith conversations. Yeah, I mean, that's what we thought this show was.

gonna be. What is this show? How many episodes is this show? Do we know? Eight, I think. Yeah, I mean, maybe again, again, for me, it's expectations versus reality. Again, I just assumed certain things. Like we're acolyte, high, old republic.

Yeah. Like this in the era of the High Republic, right? Yeah. And the end of the Republic. And the comics that show that like the deal with the High Republic, it was just, this to me is, like you said, it feels like 10 days before New Hope. Like, I just thought because of the, what they said about how Leslie Headland was like a big Sith lure canon.

You know, I thought we were getting something along the lines of what we got in that Darth Plague's novel. Not that story per se, but like the inner workings of what, when you look at the Drew Carpician novels of Darth Bean and like the inner workings, is how he like, like the infiltration, but keeping it quiet the whole way through and showing like in the shadows, but like poisoning the well and showing how maybe how strong the Jedi actually were, but poisoning the well through,

Sith antics, that's what I thought this show was going to be. And you're not wrong with expectations. It's just from the conversation that was announced in the way that they pitched it, they pitched it like the dark side was going to be running the shop. Like that's what this show was. It was a dark side show. This isn't a dark side show.

This is, it's not feel good show, but it's not a dark side show. Right. It's like there's one Sith kind of in the background and now there's witches. I remember you would always say like this show can be really, this could have a potentially be really dark and really kind of get in it. And it seems like the Sith is just kind of there.

I'm telling you, it's CW, it's like CW young adult. And but it's, but it's not like, and people, people saying, this show is so poorly written, I don't agree with that. I don't agree with that. I don't agree with that. I think that. No, I don't either. You compare the dialogue and, like, there's some choices that some people make

that are ridiculous, mostly yored, but a lot of, a lot of choices are, are poorly made, but like, there's some really awful writing in Obi-1 and Asoka, like, really awful. writing like you know like who allowed this to be on television writing this is more so like i don't like you said i don't like you said i don't like this story necessarily but it's written by someone who knows how to write dialogue yeah yeah i i have no problems with i'm not like whiplashing at lines being said like why would you say that it's more like oh that's what we're doing yeah and that are we're going to get to the coven part well yeah we'll do all we'll do all it so let's

The song, really. Screaming and yelling in the background. Yeah. No, the power of one. Oh, right, right, right. Well, do you know what I started singing in the middle of that, Mike? Oh, no. Mike will appreciate it because you'll definitely grow.

No, there was a line and it goes, it's something like Lost Boys. And it was like, thou shall not kill. It felt like that in the middle of it. Yeah. But let's see. So we find out obviously that these two are a couple. Yeah. As there, we get this, it's kind of, it's nicely lit in the back to the way.

Do you understand a little bit more that there's the, as we've seen a million times over, there's the calm, level-headed one, and then there's the brash, like, hey, paranoid, like, well, we've got to protect them at all costs. And then they asked, was anybody following you? No, nobody's following us. Keen senses. Right. And then there's this scene that when it's set it up, I'm like, okay, this is, this is, you see

the power of, like, what they're doing and what they're able to do. and this was great. Okay, they know how to use the force somehow, and we'll figure that once they give us a little bit more of the background, but then like this stuff. Like, I don't believe that this person he's using the force. Also, I just couldn't, I know kids are annoying.

But shut up. Right, they're arguing in the middle of this thing. In the middle of a huge lesson. Right. And it's like, it's not like their first lesson. No. They've been doing this for a while. So, but it's just like, I don't know, man.

We get it. You're sad. You're, you're, you're over. You just want to be your friend. Right. I know it's a little chuckyish at times, but I do think it's really, it's, I don't know, I think maybe part of my intensity of what isn't sitting for me is the fact that I am a twin. And I, like, cannot imagine ever being like, you're annoying me. I want my own life, you weirdo.

I'm leaving. Right. Yeah, Steph. I'm sitting here very surprised that you didn't like this. Like this seems right. I don't want to say check boxes in a bad way, but it hits the things that you like in it to see that, us two schmows,

we're not liking it. That's, you know, I like the way it looks. I like the ideas of the Jedi and the witches and the Sith, but it's not. But that's, but that's,

see, that's the, and that is why I've said. And I think that step, I'm so glad that we were able to get Steph's thoughts on this in this one, because Roke and I talked about this last week is that, that, and I'll reemphasize it, that you're going to get the everything is awesome crew that's going to love everything that comes out and good for them, that they love everything. Love is a good

thing to have. You love everything. Then you have the other side that just hates everything. They profit off of hating everything. Even if they like it, they're never going to tell you. It's the middle person that you got to go, okay, well, what are they thinking? And what it looks like to me anyway? Steph, myself, you ain't liking it. A lot of. And or at least, or at least, just, and it's not, and I've seen people going, I saw somebody in my reaction, just, just say, I don't try, man, just not, just not in it. I'll give this to, because I have to give this, because I've always wanted it. Like, I'm glad there's no Skywalker.

Yeah, like, like, right. But you could have done that, you could have done that, and all the ideals that we just talked about. You could have done no sky. Oh, I know, but I, but I'm trying to give credit to a show that, the things that I want to see in Star Wars going forward that this show is hitting on. So I'm like, yeah, there's. There are good things about the show.

And like I said, like I like these characters more than anything in Asoka. Because again, like you said, you don't, you didn't have to know anything going into it. And I, even though overall I don't think, I just don't think the show is for me. And I'll finish watching it. The third episode and people will disagree with me on this and that's fine. I think the third was the best out of the three of them. And maybe that's because of the things that were set up. And then I said, there's a lot in this episode I don't like, but there's a lot.

that I go, okay, at least now I want to know because I'm not as invested in the main storyline. And I don't feel the, I don't want to say anything about the fourth one because I've seen it. Yeah. But I don't know if they can get me back or get me to a place where I go, all right, this is the, now we're cooking. Now we've set up four episodes here and now, now what do you got? Right. I don't know. I like, yeah, it's like I have, I'm.

Sitting watching it, and there's no part of me that's like, let me turn this off. It's that bad. Right. But is there a part of you that says, I can't wait until next week? No. Right. And I think if you put this in like a collage, all the characters, the vibe, the choice, specific choice. I'd be like, oh, my God, yes.

I really, I see it. There's, that one shot when the mother's walking out during the ceremony is so sick. And I think that's very creative and different. And then when it's all coming together, the way it's unfolding, it just is, yeah, it's not tickling me. And there's, you know, it's... Cool shot. Yeah, there's some cool shots. There's a little redundant stuff here and there.

This had a little bit more of a... There was like a little more Japanese feel at times, you know, where they would... And the way this, even with the music, but the lighting of it, very well done. And it was, we just kept hammering in the point that OSHA sad and... doesn't want to be here, and that May wants her to get on track, right? That's really what it was. And now here comes the ceremony, which is the essential water. Is that what they call it?

The essential? And so Zabrach starts doing magical things, and then they set, I'm telling you, man, they're setting her up. You never saw her die. They're setting us up that she's going to be the one because she didn't want the Jedi to take them. She's pissed off and they show up. So she's going to be the Sith.

God, I hope I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong because I, then I don't even know if I'll finish a show if they reveal that she's the set. Because it'll just negate a lot of the things that, in general, that the rule of two and all that stuff. So then, yeah, Steph, go ahead. So you wanted to talk about. No, it's not one of the, it's before she walked to the front. But yeah, then the chanting got a little weird. Yeah.

Yeah, I get one. why they did that. I do. It's like you're at a seance. Yeah, and you get, you're a witch. You're probably a little freaky. I just think it didn't hit. And it kind of gave me that same feeling in Mandalorian season three when they're like, let's get all the Mandalorians together. And there's like 20 and I'm like, this is your entire village. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. It's like, but that's, that's a fantastic point because you have 170 million dollars that you do. And this did feel like, All right, let's take a section of like a cave and stick like 30 witches there. And like when you look at something like House of the Dragon,

when they do the opening, like Game of Thrones, when they do like an opening like just throne room scene. And it's like this gigantic room with, it seems like hundreds of thousands of people that are just there inside of this room. And you're like, oh, my God, I can feel the energy in this room and it feels real. There are times that this show feels real, but more often than not it feels like, dress up.

Yeah. Yeah, a little bit. Yeah. I don't know. It's like, and I think that what also goes to play in this is that what, if you, you almost have to separate this show into,

like this is Leslie Headland's version of Star Wars and what she wants to do. And most people are going to go out, no, I want Star Wars, right? I don't want that. But if you take it, it's like, this is Leslie Headland's Star Wars. And she's going to do in the same way that, that Ryan Johnson did his thing with Last Jedi,

and we know how that went. But if you, you kind of have to look at it that way because there's certain things that I think are going to get negated with lore and forced stuff. And by the way, where in the F is Yoda? Why wouldn't an 800-year-old Yoda say, I can help you out. And let's do a little investigation here.

I got a little bit of my wits. I'm 100 years younger than I was before. He'd be on the council. Why aren't they talking to him about what's going down? Right. Where is he? And they're not going to show him. You know why?

In the same way they're not using any of the music, they want to separate it. And that's my point with the Leslie Hellen Star Wars. There is no Star Wars music. No. And that, why? Jedi, Jedi don't know the Force team? They teased it a couple times in this episode. There was a couple of times.

There's no. Why? It's like in the same. Can you, if you went and saw a James Bond movie. Yeah. And they never had the theme in once. You'd lose your mind. Yeah.

It's like, you don't have to have the same score. every track, make your own. And the music's really good in this show, by the way. But there's no themes. And the same way they did it for Obi-One, which is ridiculous. And I get it. It's 100 years beforehand. You can create new themes.

But Knights of Republic had tons of old-school Star Wars mixed in with new stuff, the game. Kevin Kiner does it masterfully. There was forced themes and there was stuff in Asoka. Yeah. With the Asoka theme and there's other things too. Kevin Kiner does it masterfully. And I don't understand why they do that.

And I don't understand why, yeah, it's just like I, it's my point that I made with you, stuff. I don't get the business decision overall if you're sitting in a boardroom going. In the same way that I didn't understand it when they had JJ Abrams, do Force Awakens. And they're like, well, Ryan wants to do this now. Why? We got to continue what we did here.

If you know that everybody at this point, you've got to get everyone on board, whether you like everyone that's on board or not, you've got to get the fan base on board in order to elevate your IP, and I don't think this is the show that's doing it. I just don't. Yeah. I also think that I would be okay with them

not using any of the original music if it was more murder mystery, which, by the way, I actually don't know if I've ever gotten the wave of murder mystery that other people picked up in the first and second episode. You never thought it was at all. You never got it at all.

No, and that might be me, I did for about 15 minutes. We saw the first opener when she's fighting Carrier Moss. We know exactly who she is. But it changed for me when they switched to her as a mechanic. I was just like, oh, what's going on here? But then the wind thing popped up. I'm like, okay.

You make a good point, though, stuff too. It would have been interesting if, like, you know, you don't really see who it is at first and wipes out, maybe also in a disguise, right? But it's like, is the murder mystery trying to figure out who the six? is because I'm telling you if the mystery is who is pulling the strings and it's either manny or the witch why do you guys think it's him because it's the drugged out like guy I think he's all faking it and I think it's a little young to be some Sith Lord

you know who knows who is trained by but wouldn't she know it was him or knows of the she doesn't she doesn't know she doesn't know um remember they said he's never they never really had a discussion with him I never never really had a not doesn't know who he is um but i just the reason i'm aiming if i was going to go between the two of them because i think they're going to try to do they could do a kaiser sosei with with him and because he shows up and he's just like you know he does he's able to kind of infiltrate so he's a possibility and i saw a lot of theories thinking it's him but the reason why i'm leaning towards the mother witch first is because you see all these bodies on the floor

end. You see the main mother dead. You never see her. And they do a lot of menacing shots of her watching. And the fact that she, and she says that line of, well, I carry them.

So there's something more to these twins, which I think that's, and that's another thing is like, we're making this show more about these twins than we're making it about the infiltration of the big plan that comes down. So it's like, these are just two random characters.

We're making it just, about them. I don't know. Yeah, Mike, we're going to say. I'll get there. I think we're going to cover it in the pictures. So,

well, we had, so what we had, yeah, we had the ceremony and, you know, there's a lot of chanting. And then they show up in the gold robes.

And, you know, May is the same thing, as Steph said before, May is like, yeah, I said I'm down. What do you got?

And then they stick a blue light in their forehead. And then the zap- Yeah. But look, scar me up. But look, the Zabrak again.

looking in the background, sulking. I'm telling you, there's more to it. There's more to it. And then our four Jedi come in and we know when they show up, like, okay, well, this is, well, why, why, why were they hunted down? Why were they hunted down? And I still don't know the answer to it because they showed up and they wanted to, and they took, they took OSHA so that A made her burn down her whole thing

and plus wanted 15 years later to go murder the four of them. That's why. That's a motive? I'm not yeah Okay so here we are Okay This is the crux of what's going on Right like so May

Is killing the four of them Because they just showed up Yeah and I think the fire The Sith is making it's another reason why I think the witch what May caused the fire I don't know because I feel like What do you don't she had the book I know that but I don't think the huge fire

Because that doesn't make sense That's okay so that's what I want to get to I don't know if we get there So we see the thing she got the book She burns the book She traps in there and the next thing you know, this thing is on fire. And everyone's dead.

Like, I go, did I miss something? Did I walk away? Did I see her more than just burn the book? I don't know. She dropped the book. The curtains caught on fire. And next thing, I see every single witch is dead. I'm like, and then she goes to kill the Jedi?

There's got to be more to it. The Sith have to, that Sith Lord had to have gotten involved, or the mother did it because they're so powerful, but a house fire took them out? That's what I'm saying. I mean, show this whole thing with the force to push each other's shields

and they die because of the fire? I think there's more to it. I think there is more to that. But that's why it leans into me going, it's going to be the Zabrak. But why would then May go to hunt the Jedi to kill them? Whatever. She wanted them to die anyway.

I think she was, well, you've seen episode four, so clearly we don't find out. Well, yeah, again, I don't want to get into it. But we will continue on here for a second. By the way, if you are enjoying this show and you disagree with everything that we're saying, please put your comments in there. And there's been, and I want to thank a lot of you.

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She doesn't. And then receding hairline, Mark Zuckerberg, and what's his face? Calnaca. Thank you. He shows up, they show up, and for some reason, there's four of them to recruit, and they said they've been hiding these kids, and then they're going to steal your kids from you,

and they say, oh, we have the right to take your kids. And rightfully so, the two mothers are pissed off about it, and then one wants to go, one doesn't, and then they take this poor sucker, and they take his eyes, and they stick him in the back of his head, and they go, yeah, that's okay. Well, he's going to wind up taking poison later on. It's fine.

and there's and karyan moss is like hey you know the rules give us the kids and they're like all right we'll have a meeting about it so they have a meeting about it and the zabrex says we're not giving them to no monks and that's why i'm going to burn you all to death and become a sith lord and then they have more conversations about it later on and that's really you know you get more and more the finally they're going to train to the Jedi let's go let's go try let's go train may bombs the audition and then what's his face? What's this man?

I think it's Kilnaca. So Kilnaca says, hey, good luck. And he goes in and she starts guessing wrong, you know, the whole ship of this, like that. And I did like this scene, by the way. I like that scene when,

when Saul's like, okay, correct. She's like, what? It's like, correct. I liked that. I thought it was a good scene. And I thought it was also, who told you to bomb the audition? Right.

Come on. So did you like you? like that scene stuff? Yeah, I did. I was just so pissed at OSHA because I just knew she was going to flip. Yeah. You know I'm all about loyalty. Never go against the family. Right. Never go against the family. Yeah. There you go. She's a soprano. Yeah, but did you like this scene? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, but then, you know, as we finish it up, we've got, they decide, yeah, OSHA, OSHA's, oh, she's, oh, she can make it and he said, I'll always protect you. He lies to her face.

He lets her go some. I wish we knew why he has interest in her and not May. Right. I like, I mean, I guess we're to assume that she has a darker energy about her, but. I don't know. But then they know that she's leaving. She's going to take off and then May goes, yeah, guess what? I'm going to kill you.

Just like that. I'm going to kill you. And then. Yeah, her turn went sociopathic quickly. And then burns everything down. And then he said, what did you do? So I burned everything down. Everybody's dead.

I did it by accident, I think. I don't know. Maybe there's a Sith. I think maybe the second mother did it. We'll find out in a later episode. And then, yeah. And then here's Saul who does the save. We knew that was coming.

Yeah, coming. Again, this to me, that scene, like, it's like the last episode with Yordor, with the binoculars five feet down. Like they've got the little bridge. It's broken like this. Just jump. Like, it was like, it shows either creatively they're limited.

Like, I expected something, if you remember from Captain America, when he meets the Red Skull for the first one. And they had these two platforms, then they can't get to each other. They're far apart. Like, it's Star Wars. You got to show scope. You got to give a scope here, man. What do we spend in the money on?

I don't know. It's 170. What do we spend in the, is it all location? Is that what we're spending money on here? What do we spend the money on? I don't see it on the screen. It's like, I'm curious to see what Andor's budget was. About it was I think it was it was a hundred it was higher

Okay It's on the screen yeah it's it's on the screen yeah it's you can see it on the screen for sure But Obi-one was was like which is crazy was like one of the smallest budgets Which is crazy you would assume that show would have 200 million dollars But it looked like it was all filmed in LA year It looked yeah and way less cast yeah and just and the Benny Hill scene alone It's Not scene is engraved in my head

It's the, it's, have you ever seen it with the Benny Hill music? No. Yeah. Oh, no. Oh, no. I have to show it to you after this. No. I'll show it to you.

It's, it's, it's, it's the best and sad at the same time. Um, all right. So then we go to, yeah, they're, they're getting out of the cave and then she's, you know, doesn't know what happened. He said, listen, I'm going to protect you. And I'll never let you out of my sight until I do. And then, yeah, liar, Jedi liar. And then we've obviously May makes it out looking at the trees But there's more to it

There's definitely more to it Yeah of course So there's eight episodes or nine I think there's eight episodes So episode four doesn't deal with it Clearly right So then they've got Let's see

Four more episodes to I feel like how many episodes is the acolyte Um Eight yeah Eight episodes Okay, is this going to be the classic They got one episode to wrap this stuff up. You know what I'm not doing it?

You know where I will give this show credit that I haven't done for a lot of the other Star Wars shows and maybe it's because it has been more dialogue heavy, more story heavy. These episodes have only been like 37, 40 minutes long. Yeah. But they don't feel as short as the other episodes because I feel like sometimes when you're doing the,

the Dave Filoni episodes and it's like, oh, now we're gonna do a monster in the cave. It's the monster in the cave episode. And then that's like 15 minutes and then they don't have time to do any story. It's like, oh, here's Katie's Sackoff speech where she's gonna do that William Wall's speech. Let's cut it in half.

And it's about 33 seconds. And now let's get to the blasting. Poo, pew, pew, pew, pew. This is more of like, I think that you are actually building stuff. That's true. So at least, you know, I never feel like, oh, it's over already?

I haven't felt that yet. And I've looked in the episodes. Or like, why are we here? Yeah, yeah, the episode, but the episodes aren't. And they're like, again, like between 37 minutes to 44 minutes long, whatever it is. And it's not like, oh, these need to be longer. It's like, I felt like that with Obi-Wan. I felt like that with Osoka.

I felt like that with most Mandalorian stuff. I haven't felt that with this show. It's like, okay, you're telling me the story you need to. I don't think it needs to be longer. Not necessarily locked into it. But, yeah, the length of the show was usually, my biggest thing and it doesn't bother me in this one. Yeah.

Yeah. I think that's true. I think that is why I'm, I, there are parts of it I enjoy is the whole story unfolding. I just am hoping to like what unfolds more. Yeah. Where do we go from here? Where do we go? I think, I don't know.

I would love to actually have like 30 minutes with whoever the Sith is and get inside their mind. I know who they are. Yeah. And like the mission of the act light, because the more that I think about it, the more that I'm like, why are they letting this seemingly mid-range trained trainee go out and get these Jedi without a actual weapon and doesn't want her to? But she is using weapons too, by the way. Right. So I just want to know that and then at least that and then would love to get, you know, the why.

Yeah. And what do you think? I guess the more we talk, the more questions I have. It's the acolyte. It's the Sith and the Apprentice, basically. Is it the Sith, though? We don't know. I know. I don't think.

Is this just a revenge story about witches versus Jedi? I hope not. We've talked about this ad nauseum. Is this going to be another redemption arc? Oh, definitely. Like, I get it. Definitely. Anakin Skywalker at the crux of Star Wars was his redemption.

So every director and writer, when you tackle Star Wars, you don't need to do a redemption. Look at the three of us, three different people in life. Have we had a redemption arc in our lives yet as people? Corruption, you turn bad and good. But was every storyline in the Schmodeon, a redemption arc? No. Not at all because it had been boring. We did it right.

But like, oh, it's a Schmodown show, so new character introduced into the Schmodown, we've got to create a redemption arc for you. Did Ben Baitman ever get a redemption arc his character? Never. Right. But who can't be redeemed in this story? Because I actually think that it would be weird if May is not redeemed. She was a child.

Yeah. But why do you need to go down that rate? Like you think she should just keep getting more evil? Yeah, sometimes evil's just evil. But here's the thing, though. That's why I don't necessarily know how much of a redemption arc it really is because I'm not buying pure evil from May. At all. Kylo Ren, pure evil.

Riva, pure evil. I was getting evil from them. I didn't need to see them get redeemed. Right. I don't know if May is really, to Steph's point, I think that she just was maybe either manipulated in the beginning, but I don't see her, and not manipulated into like an evil apprentice. Just everything she does, she seems like she kind of questions things that she's doing.

She doesn't, even when she sees, like most of the evil ones that we've seen in the past, if her sister looks at her and goes, May, or, you know, it's like the evil eyes, the red, I think about Anakin, when Anakin turned. It was like, you're not talking to the sent said to this guy. She was like, shocked to see her sister. Yeah, but she sat there smiled at her, she's burning her and a thing, like, eh. But that's the beginning. I'm talking about now,

like, so when she realized her sister was alive. And the way she talks to the potion master. It's, like, nothing about this character is evil. Yeah, so I don't know, I mean, or even bad. Really, I think that she's a child and she burned her sister's notebook.

And now she's killing Jedi. But yeah, I mean, she has, that, I mean, that is, That's the argument that probably they could use against us to where it's like... I don't think that's pure evil. You don't think... Well, I think that her intentions are misguided and it turns out... Yeah, yeah, I think she's been groomed her whole life. Yeah, so...

And that's why I don't... Like, she's not the one that burnt everything down. Right. She's not. And that's... But that's why even more so it lends to my theory of the Zabra. Now, but you say that's very smart. It's very smart.

What is it about Zabra? Zabric, they were then to burn it down, kind of pinned it on this. But will that... But is that what's going to happen, though? I don't know if it's smart enough to do something like that. I hope that it's not... I hope it's not smart. Because it looks too predictable to me.

Okay. It looks too predictable. It looks like because of the way that they shoot it, the way that they're setting it up that she's, she wasn't on board with it the whole time, the idea that, you know, it's like it's once a... Why is maybe the witch picked up the teachings of the Sith? But in Star Wars, everything we've seen so far,

have they ever given us a story like that where it flips expectations which is the norm it seems like every Star Wars show we've gotten pretty much laid out how we thought it was going to go it did it just yeah point A to point B the story this that there was nothing like oh my God did you see that turn

and that flip you didn't see we didn't see this coming like I don't know House of the Dragons or stuff like that where you talk about storytelling you like holy shit they pulled that off yeah but I don't think this shows doing it either seems like Star Wars has always done done what you expect. You kind of know where it's going to go and there's never that kind of like, wow, that kind of moment.

And I get it. There's people that that's the comfort blanket. And it's like Star Wars. But that's what I'm saying. Andor, and or, Andrew to me, Andrew to me has the, the opportunity to do that. Perfect example. Andor. Yeah.

Building up, building up, we're going to get out of here. We're going to get out of here. I can't swim. Like, holy. Like, everyone felt that. Yeah. Like that's why that show to me is, that's the, that's exactly. You think back to it.

That was what? Three years ago? That show is the gold standard. That show is the gold standard. Like, do something, challenge? Star Wars works when you challenge it, I think. You've got to challenge it, man. Well, I'm sure a lot of people are not going to like what we talked about in this episode if you loved it.

But, um... And if you do? Either way. But like, as I said... Great. Yeah, as I said, as I'm watching these... Did I think that out of the three of them, was it the first time out of the three episodes? I said, oh, okay, I understand these characters a little bit more?

Sure. Um, do I feel like it's just lost the yes? of the grand scale of the Star Wars universe. I do, but I feel it's going to be telling you that don't agree with that. So thank you for watching once again. Apple Podcast, Spotify, anywhere podcasts are found. I want to thank both Steph and Mike. Steph, where can they find you?

At Stub's abroad and the World Girls. We're done already? Done. Damn, it was fast. Been an hour, though. But holy crap. Yeah. At Mike Kilanowski.

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