The Kristian Harloff Show - THE ACOLYTE EPISODE 7 SPOILER REVIEW!

Episode Date: July 10, 2024

The Acolyte is the latest Star Wars series. Episode 7 was something. What did it do to further the plot? Why did we flashback again to something we already saw? Join us for this conversation with Kristian, Steph and Mike. #theacolyte #starwars #sith #jedi #mystery #review 

How's it going, everybody? Happy Wednesday. It is the Sith Council Big Thing episode, The Acolyte, Episode 7, the penultimate episode of the show. I'm going to talk about it in full spoiler detail. So hang on because, man, oh man, this episode stoinks! It's bad. That is a bad episode, really bad. And I don't care.

This is one of those ones where I'm like, all right, you know, I got. guess I just didn't see it. I don't understand. If you liked it, you liked it. That's all I can say. If you liked it, you liked it. But there's some stuff that we're going to get into. And, yeah, if you don't think we're going to talk about the witches in the wave pool,

whoa, whoa, you got another thing coming. Because we'll be governed all that and more on whatever the hell this episode was. I haven't spoken to Steph yet about it. I don't know. Maybe she liked it. Maybe she'll be on the counter side. There's no world where Mike Kellynowski. like this episode.

If he is, then I don't know my friend of the last 25 years. I really don't. But maybe I'm wrong. I mean, I don't know. We'll see. But then again, if you guys liked it, we'll talk about it. There's just a lot going on in this episode. Wookies with metal detectors and hair buns.

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All right. Let's get into it. It's myself. It's Mike. It's Steph. It's the big thing. Here we go. What's going on, everybody?

Welcome back to the big thing. It's a council edition. The Act in Light episode 7. It's me. Steph's a bra. Hey. Hey, Mike Kalanowski. Cruz is back.

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. All right. So let me ask you this, Mike. I've known you for 25 years. Was I wrong in the assessment of how you felt about this episode, or are you going to shock me? I feel bad coming on here every week because I'm sure people like this show. And I know people made it.

I know hundreds of people go in this show. But the amount of stupid decisions that these characters make each and every week. Boggles my mind like I've never seen in Star Wars. Like, I know we'll get into it. I know we'll get into it. All right, Steph, so this is basically a bonus episode of episode three. So what did you think? I thought that there was parts that I appreciated and there's parts that I just, I can't understand why certain characters are doing certain things.

Mainly this episode's Soul and Torben. I just think need to be like shipped off. The Jedi are absolute idiots in this show. They're absolute idiots. Indara was okay. I actually appreciated Indara until the end when he, she's like, what are you going to do? Take away this girl's dreams now. And I'm like, I mean, it's the right thing to do is to tell the council what happened.

Like that's ridiculous to lie for this little girl. But all of that, any bit of that of what you just said there. First of all, she was just not even caring about the dream five, ten minutes ago. And now she cares about the dream. And why Saul, look, I understood after spending a little bit of time and looking at Anakin, why Quiguan was like, look, I got a feeling about this kid. He could be the chosen one. We've been spending some time with him.

We've been looking at what he's doing with the races. I've been paying attention to his instincts. I think this kid could be the guy. And so he recruited him after spending some time with him. She's like, ah, you don't have a Padawan. He said, I don't. How about them? How about her?

Can I take her? Yeah. Oh, if I don't take her, my life's not going to be complete. What are you talking about? No, it's unfortunately creepy. He's peeking around the corner every second. Like, like, I, I, I, one of the reasons that we started, like, I took

all these pictures, and there's no world where I'm going to have spent all of that time having to go through this episode again, and not show these pictures. So, let's do it. Let's start. You have to show the two things that I need to complain about. We have to. We're going to talk about the witch whirlpool in death. That's not it. That's not even it.

Were you laughing like I was going to, ooh. I was laughing when they had, like, the big head alien up front. That's what I'm saying. She was right. It was so stupid. I, I audibly laughed out loud. This is the worst episode of Star Wars television like ever. Wait, no way. It's the worst. It's the worst. What's worse than this? I think three. Steph, I feel like we're going to change your mind. Okay, at least we're going to get into it. But at least, like, I, we got to hear from the Jedi side. And at least for me, because you know, the biggest most heartbreaking problem for me is like, I don't want to be a Jedi after that episode. Like these people are just like stealing children. But this episode, it's like the council isn't for that.

They were going to say leave them alone. I do like those justifications. Everything else doesn't make sense. It's kind of forced pop work. Get what they wanted. Yeah. It's like you've got a good piece of cheese on a crappy piece of pizza. Right.

You know, it's like, so I mean, there's, yeah, I mean, there was 80% of this episode, we've seen already. We saw it already. Right. And then so 20% yeah, we got some new information. And then still, does anybody know? A, why the young Padawan wind up taking the poison after this, and B, why he has a receding hairline?

After 10, eight years? That, like, Torben. He's a Jedi. His job is to travel a galaxy bringing peace to the galaxy. I want to go back to Congress. I'm on this island, and I want to go home. Wait, that's how we go home? I got to go!

He went after her and destroyed the whole thing. You're in the wrong business, kid. Get the, God. You're in the wrong business. You're in the wrong business. And I'm going to tell you something how he fixed that. You want to know how? Don't write it.

No, they do the whole thing where the witches take him over. Okay, the witches take him over. His mind goes fucked. He's like, holy shit, this is awful. I don't know what, I don't know if I want to be a Jedi anymore. I just can't do this. There's a reason. There's a reason.

No, he's fine. Right. He's a Jedi with Obi-1 canobi-level skills. Clearly, he likes doing what he's doing. Yeah. I don't want to be. here. I'm going to go home. Right. After he's corrupted, after he's corrupted, then he's like, have him on the ship

shaking and having terrors, night sweats. Right. Wait, that girls are way out of here. I'm out of here. Right. Right. And no, but there's also a little right. The writing stinks. It's, it's really, really bad. So yes, Steph, I think it's one of the worst. And I have never laughed out loud like this, like five. And I'll tell you, and I'm going to go back to Mike's point here where he was saying that, He doesn't know, like Venestra, the actress that plays Venester. He can't necessarily. He hasn't seen any of her previous work, so it doesn't know if you can blame the actress or more so the directing, right? I don't, like who, the Zabrak has been in other stuff before, correct, the actress?

Yes. Okay. I don't, I'm not as familiar, but I remember looking at her. And I might know her from other stuff and I might have liked to work. IMDB, let me see. She was done no service in this episode because she is, I laughed out loud five times. times with her. Like one of the main times when she looks up,

Run! It was the first one. Yeah, she's in a lot of stuff. And then the second one, fight me! And I'm like, who's directing this? I'm like, stop this. Here's the thing. I literally Mike said at one point of my reaction, I said, stop this. Like, here's the thing. Some

actors just are not meant for Star Wars. Or they need to be directed. Like, look at Natalie Portman. No one's going to say she's not a great actress. In Star Wars, not her best work. Because George Lucas is not an actor's director, you know, but you got someone like Eum McGregor who doesn't need to be directed and he's shooting it up.

I'll blame it. Those actors in this Star Wars, they need to be directed. I'll blame it on the directing because I don't, and I know Leslie Headland didn't direct this one, but she's overseeing it. I don't think this is the banger of the episode that Leslie Headland thought it was. She thought it was a banger? Yes, because otherwise you don't place this as episode seven. Usually episode seven is like the penultimate episode, which is usually,

most shows at episode seven, you're like, oh my God, what is that going to do for the finale? This is like, what did this do? This is a show that cost $170 or $180 million, whatever it cost, and they essentially shot one episode. They shot one episode. This is one episode that they shot. They shot everything this day, whatever however many course of the days, weeks that it took to shoot this episode. But they shot two episodes. And they said, all right, well, this is the stuff we're not going to show.

We're going to save that for episode seven because they're going to be. so invested in this lead and it comes down to the point that we keep making the twins are not a story that anyone is caring about in the way that they want them to like this story this this this story where we thought it was going to be about the Sith the story that we thought it was going to be all three of us all three of us here thought this was going to be a show about the evil the Sith the building of it and instead they gave you this story about the twins and it's not compelling at all step yeah this should have been episode three I didn't need the mystery of it because in I get what they were going for but instead we all just made assumptions by what was

put on the screen and then we just went through the next episodes hating the Jedi and then got to this episode to find out that half of them still suck yeah and I they should have just made this episode three and it sucks because I watched this because you guys know I had a busy week last week. I watched this back to back with last week's episode. Okay. I really liked last week. Me too. As did I...

Mani Jacinto is, like, putting the whole team on his back. I think he is so cool to watch. And he's not in this. And he's not in this episode. So I finished last week episode. And I turned to Harry and I was like, okay, we were both like, I think we're gone the up and up. And then he fell asleep during his episode. I'm jealous.

It really is one of those things where they... How do you not lock into what you have? there you have this story was I felt the same way Steph where you know I didn't love the the big fight the fight episode which is just was the fight episode last week I said the stuff that they were doing with the sit that's the show that they told us they were going to give us in the first place that's the show that oh this is what the act light's going to be I said okay well then let's get into the episode seven and let's keep this going what happened who's his master what's the overall plan and then they just give you the full up this is like a greatest hits that's not a

hit episode. And so, all right, if we, now let's show, let's show these, these, okay,

let's go through it. So we start with Brendak 15 years later again. I'm like, okay, so we're doing this again. So we've done this already,

okay? Then they get to, and then so then, we get to a ridiculous thing where now they're, they're combing, they're combing the forest with metal detectors,

Jedi with metal detectors. Um, and you have Saul with the big iPad and he's looking around for stuff. And they're searching, they're searching for things. And you get the, the man bun on the wookie as he's, you know,

scrolling around on the beach or whatever, the woods looking for virgins through metal detectors. Okay, so I guess they could find, so again, making no sense. And then you get the soon to be, you know, a receding

hairline sitting on the tin can missing Kurosan. He's talking to, whatever he's doing. And then you go to the campfire, we find out about the virgin side of it. And it made me think, like, okay, so this is what, they might wind up doing. They discover the virgin,

so whatever it might be, these two twins, and that ultimately is going to lead to information that whoever the Sith Lord gets a hold of to eventually pass down the line that will get to Palpatine, who will then use it to create Anakin. That's what it seems like this is where he got his information. Well, they've done it before in the past with these

two twins. And I'm like, I'm like, I just know, it's like, it goes back to the, I'm not invested in any of this. and if it wasn't for the actor, would you even like Saul? It kind of sucks. Oh, yeah, he really sucks. I've enjoyed his work this entire season

because I do think he's been given the most of his character. And you've been curious about what the secret is that he's been keeping. But this episode, I just think it's really strange to form an attachment with a child that you haven't even spoken with. And you haven't even seen do anything. Right.

She hasn't done anything dope. And he didn't even know it was her. He didn't even before he killed her mother. He didn't even know what was her. He thought he was like, OSHA. And it was May. I didn't even know. Yeah, he didn't get him right.

But then also you've got to do something with the character, like give him motivation. Like have him come from a line of like he was taken from his home or was raised by, you know, sold into child slavery or something. or something where his background makes him connect to her. Right. And go, I see what this.

This is a cult. Right. I was raised in a cult. The Jedi saved me. I'm going to save her. Right. There's some kind of connection to it. Right.

There's something that connects it in that and we always. There's no reason. We always bring up. No. That's exactly what it is. He's like one day you'll have a Padawan. All right. And then conveniently he just wanders into the woods and there's two of them in the woods.

Who do you want? Well, I'm not going to really be able to tell which from which. So that one. Oh, not that one? And then, and we'll jump right to the end of it. When he, there's that, you guys remember that, Steph, I don't know, we might be a little, Oh, I know what you're going to say. A good son.

Yeah. Yeah. Do you remember, Coli Culkin and Elijah Wood? Do you ever see that movie, Steph? No. Okay, so I'm going to spoil it for you. Okay. At the end of the, at the end, for people who haven't seen the good son, you're going to get a spoiler.

At the end, so this whole time, this whole movie is about McCulley Culkin and Elijah Wood goes to live with them, and McCulley Culkin is this rotten, rotten, rotten little. kid like evil like evil and he keeps pinning stuff on elijah and eventually you know mccoli colkin's mother knows that he's he's he's a bad little dude he's a bad dude so she that they're they're at this cave there's at this cliff at the end and they both fall off the cliff and the mother catches both of them her her son and not and not her son and Elijah would but she knows Elijah's good and she's got to let and she lets McCauley Culkin fall and die right yeah and that and that and that is what happens at the end there.

And my question is, if you're using all your strength to hold up a bridge, which is probably hundreds and hundreds of pounds, why not just hold up both the twins who are probably 50 pounds apiece? Right. Or like connect the bridges. And didn't we? Yeah. And didn't we just last show that Disney talked about where people gave crap to the force

because Sabine pushed Ezra and threw Ezra with the force? Yeah. and now here's a guy that's much more powerful than her, but can't do something like that. Like, you gotta. Why is he holding up the bridge? Star Wars is a group. These Disney Plus people,

they need to get on the same page and give rules for what their Jedi can do. The St. Disney Plus. This ain't Disney Plus. This is Lucasfilm. This is Lucas. Then Lucasfilm. Get on the same page.

Hidalgo, Pablo Hidalgo back and go, okay, what are the, what are the parameters of the force can we use? because every show that comes in and picks and chooses and manipulates it how they want to fit the story. And it sucks. Now, I'll get in, Denver. I'll get in trouble here. And that's fine.

And I'll ask Steph. Steph, is every guy in this show an idiot? No, no, because Khymir's not. Okay. But he's evil. Is there any good guy? That's not an idiot or bad. Right.

So that's what I'm saying. And it's like, so it's, there's no, where's the redhead guy? He was all right. They don't even use them. But like, is there, and to counter that. Yeah. Because I hear you, are there any girls that are not an idiot? Jackie was great.

Okay. Jackie was great. Okay. So that's one. They did to kill her off because she was great. Well, Vanessa, they will say, we don't know about her performance in general, but she's not, she's trying to do the right thing. Vanessa is...

No, she's an idiot. Is she? I can't go into hyperspace because I got my rumbling tummy. Now, she got the toilets. The shits. Hyperspace gives her the shits. Jesus Christ. Yeah.

I feel bad because I feel the way we're talking, we're devolving into that group of Star Wars that's just complaining. But we don't. It's not. This is what I told people on my reaction. If you watch all of our shows, we are not like this. No. And this, but it's what I told people when it was when it came to it last, I said,

Look, I can't pretend that when there's bad stuff written, that there's not bad stuff written. And I'll tell you, some of this stuff, well, let's go into something positive then from Mike's point. I thought that what has worked very well on this show, the fight scenes are phenomenal. They're phenomenal. They're phenomenal. It looks good, too. It does. I love the scenery shot.

Yeah, it does. This was at this episode that took a real good advantage of the location. They did. And last episode, looked phenomenal. Yeah. And the fights, and look, even though I don't know how, the Padawan, sure, the witches can infiltrate the mine. That easy to infiltrate a Jedi master's mind in the wookie? Okay.

I don't know how. But that easy, they had that kind of Hulk moment with Loki where he was like, oh, you shouldn't have brought him. And then we finally get to see the wookie with a lightsaber. Did it look good? Yes. And watching Karihan Moss fly through the sky doing Trinity style to have that fight was all wonderful. It worked really well. The idea of I'm bringing up the Knight Sisters, those things, the locations, the music.

There are positives here. But the problem is that it just, all of the silliness just outweighs it. That's what it comes down to. So, yeah, and I'm sure we'll get the comments every week. Oh, what are you guys watching? What are you? Because, first of all, we're invested enough into it. I don't want to see where it now ends.

And then, skeleton crew is right around the corner. You're going to watch Skeleton. I'm going to cross my fingers and hope skeleton crew delivers. You know, it can't be any worse. But here is, as we go through the earth, it's campfire, and they're doing, God knows what. And I guess they're discussing the virgins, and then this is where that they have,

the Kari Amos has this conversation about the, the Padawana thing, don't worry, one day you'll get Padawan, she has a glove on. And then he zips through the woods, and this is when Saul gets a bit creepy as he's watching the scene that we've already seen, and he's seeing it again. And here they are.

The two twins. He's like, oh, there's two of them. Maybe I can finally have a Pat-on. There's out of all the thousands of kids that we take across the galaxy, and there's probably a ton of them back at the Jedi Temple. I can't find a one. Well, there's two right here. There we go.

And they go through the woods. And then here's another scene that makes no, well, the Zabrak comes out and says, wait until you see what I do this episode. And then he, you know, he tries to call them on his cell phone. It's not working. No reception. He goes to the hut and they go in there.

And now what does he do? He's like, you know what? I just watched on Netflix the other day or whatever it was. I just watched Free Solo. So I'm going to climb the walls. I'm going to just climb the walls by myself with no grab at all. It won't take me too long. I'm going to dread pirate Robert style.

I'm going to climb it up. And so he climbs it up. And luckily enough, there's still nobody's gone to bed because it probably took him six minutes. He didn't use his Jedi Force powers to climb fast. He just climbs. And then we get to that scene where he's, He's, again, creeping around the joint, looking at the same scene we've seen in the training. Someone hears him.

And then he goes back to report there's witches afoot. So anything out there that stands out, Steph? Well, he said they're not being treated like children. And it's like, are the younglings treated like children at the Jedi Temple? Right. Right. It's the exact same training style. Right.

It's a different methodology. It goes back to what Mike said. It all very well could be true. But at what point did what he saw that we saw prove that? Just because they were being trained harshly and everybody's had bad teachers, what was it in general in that scene that he saw that he could definitively say, they got to get out of there. Yeah. And it could have been, it's like either they make someone or a group actually bad.

bad or they make a scene where it looked actually bad. But they didn't have either of those things. So you're thinking Saul is just an absolute a-hole. And then I'm thinking, remember I was like, you've got to give this guy some motivation for this. But then I was like, well, the really would be thing if Saul lost a daughter somewhere. Right.

But he can't have a daughter because he's a Jedi. But they wrote themselves, that's the problem. What they wanted to attempt with this script, but they don't have in the Star Wars, rules the ability to tell this story. He can't have a kid. Saul can never have had a kid.

Sure. Could have had a sister or a brother. Yeah, not the same, though. I agree. I agree. But it's just, I saw what they were trying to do. You just can't do it. And again,

focus on Manny and getting an acolyte. Don't need this stuff with the twin. I know. I know. It's, I, it'd be, I don't know where it came from.

but it seemed like when they this is what I'm going to guess happen this is a pure speculation there's no world where this is anywhere except me making this up but I feel like this is what happened it was pitched as the Sith show

darkness the first kind of breaking bad type show where you're going to get the evilness of the Sith and how they were built up and that was how it was pitched and that was how it was presented in 2020 and then now this very well could have been Disney Plus note really we're going to have a

a Sith led show guys guys guys we got to have some good guys can we and then it started to evolve a little bit more devolve the way you look at it and then someone says well what if we didn't do that what if we had something about like the story with like these twins from the different we use the witches we use this instead and instead of like the the inner working of the Sith because we've seen that already we don't need to see that again let's do a story about these actual twins and these witches and their perception of the force yeah that's great. And it's like, no, it's not what you told people they were getting.

And I think it kind of, that's, again, pure speculation. But you can see, I saw conversations like that happen when I was working at Warner Brothers about other projects that, well, this probably, like, Joel Silver was convinced that a period piece wonder woman could never work. It could never work. There's no way. No one would want to see a period piece Wonder Woman, ever. So he turned this, this script that they had.

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There was no life here. Now we know that there are. Who knows what these witches are doing? We got to go disrupt the joint. So let's go, let's go figure it out. So they decide they're going to go and infiltrate. And we've seen the scene again. We've seen it once before. We're going to see it. We've seen it once before. again and here the witches are standing around and now we get a little bit more of the insight of you know the infiltration of torben's mind to where same thing i liked this scene was kind of cool but there was it's still you didn't need to go anywhere didn't go anywhere and you also had and and the effect of what they were trying to make it creepy where she'd say one thing and then eight different voices are saying it's like we get it he's in a vision just just you say it

normally. It's like, what do you think? What do you think? What do you think? What do you think? Cut it out. It's a, what are you doing? And there was just so much of this where, and I thought I will say, again, another positive, given what she had, Jody Turner Smith was phenomenal in this episode. Yeah, I, I actually like her character. Yeah. I just think that there, like she has some unfair moments. Like, we're going to get to her death scene, which made no sense. Made no sense whatsoever. whatsoever in the way that it was presented, in the way that it could have been prevented, it made no sense. And what her overall motivation is, because at one point it looks like, oh, you know what I'm going to do?

I'm going to infiltrate this guy's mind. And I'm going to find out, oh, he wants to go back to Corrasson. That's the big, that's the big reveal. He feels guilty about wanting to go back to Corrason, so he decides he wants to go to the meeting. And like what? And why? Yeah, what does he feel guilty about? Right.

Because he just doesn't like what he's doing? Right. Guess what? Chump? That's your job. Get a new job. That's the job of a Jedi. You go to these planets and you just bring peace and you check out disturbances.

That's the job. It's not sitting in Corson. That is one of, that's part of it. It's like, oh, you know what? I want to be a professional baseball player, but I only want to play home games. What are you talking about? What do you, what, it's not how it works, Chump? What are we doing?

It's like, that's it. You get fired. You get fired. You're fired. But they needed a reason for him to go to the temple and this, that, so from a writing, and again, I'm not a writer. But my God. And I've never, that's another thing.

So I'll defend myself. If you go back and watch all of our episodes of all the Disney Plus Star Wars, I've never complained about the writing. Ever. So when it stands out, it stinks in Denver. It stinks in Denver. Something stinks in Denver. Jesus.

I'll tell you that. Okay. So we get back to this, I guess again, he's in the vision. We don't really understand why she's infiltrating his mind, but she picks the weakest one again. And then she just finds out he wants to go to Corrusson, and then he's, you know, a scene that we've seen already before.

So then nobody really gives a shit that he just, that he, nobody cares and says, hey, what did you just do there? She's like, uh, you know we're allowed to take kids. And it was like, oh, okay, well, we don't want you to take our kids. All right, well, we're going to go on the ship. and we're going to talk about it why we think we need to take your kids. Okay,

seeing a little bit. So they have this conversation again, and why they need to go back. Saul's really pushing it. And then eventually it's, they realize they got to do the testing scene again, except this time we see the test through May. And Torbin trying to,

is basically trying to do like Dollar Star Anakin impressions. And then he gives them the, she gives the midoclorean test, and they go M count. They won't say midchlorians anymore. And- Yeah, why is that? I don't know.

At this point, it caused such a stink last time. We only know what you're doing. You're doing a mid-a-chlorian count. So you might as well just say it. And then it's just, you know, the conversations around the table. We can't, here we go.

And then that's the other thing. So this is, I found hilarious as well. So here's May, who has been the most loyal to the witches at anybody. She's, they tell her, go in and bomb the audition.

And so she goes in, and she's just, eating it and she's getting everything wrong and then she's like, yeah, look at me. I didn't do everything I'm supposed to. All right, tell us everything. And it just spills the beans about it. Right.

Everything. It's like if you're the witches and you're going, we want you to bomb it and don't tell these Jedi a freaking thing. Nothing they ask, say nothing. Be, just stay silent. Not your head. Get out of there. I mean, in the mafia,

this kid would be toast. She gave up everything. Right. Are my wrong stuff? No, no. I just watched, what's that? A story or a tale in Brooklyn, the Rob-Rongstale? Bronx Tale?

A story in New York. A Bronx tale's a fable in Queens. Bronx tale's great. The little kid, you got to snitch. Yeah, it's a great movie. I did good, dad. I did a good, dad. Yeah, you did a good thing for a bad man.

Yep, exactly. It's a great movie. But I completely agree. And then when you find out that they're the same person, I'm like, this is nitpicky, but why wouldn't you have the same actress? I mean, I mean, well, the only thing with that is that they're twins and they, for the most part, look alike. So it's like. But they have the same actress when they're older. I think maybe I just like don't like OSHA.

It's fair. It's fair. Yeah, I just, like I said, I was, and I was talking to Corey. genre about this afterwards too and I said it in my reaction you know the problem is as I was watching it said maybe it was because it was a rehash of the episode already I was bored I haven't like been bored

for these I've noticed bad writing but I was like bored and I was like maybe it was because I saw it already and I'm like I know all this already we know that they took the test put in a couple more lines of dialogue with May that she gave up more and it's leading to the fact that May's gonna be the good one oh she's gonna be in the bad one oh tragedy tragedy And it's like so but I've seen all that. So I was like, are you guys bored at all or not really?

I wasn't necessarily bored, but I kept waiting for us to go forward in time. Right. I didn't think that we would be spending the entire Pentultimate episode back in time and then rehashing a lot of the same things. Like some of it was nice to see new color added to the character's motives. Yeah. But then past that, so I wish they had compressed three and seven into one episode. Totally. I couldn't agree more.

Mike, were you bored? I told you. I checked out about 15 minutes in. Yeah. Like, with one episode left and they're not going to wrap it up. They ain't pulling the rabbit trick out of the hat again. Well, no, now with a 35 minute episode. This is again.

So many things that don't know. Disney Plus, the MCU, the Star Wars, they, they, you know what we didn't talk about it. clearly want a season two. They know. No, no chance. No chance. I know, but I'm just saying that's what they made this season for. You're absolutely right.

Are you kidding me? You're absolutely right. No. But she had said, Headlin said, we do this story wraps. We have other, we have mysteries that we want to tell out of this, but this particular story wraps up. I'm sorry. They don't wrap this thing up.

This show needs to go to sleep. This show needs to go to sleep. You did a story outside. to commend them. They did a story outside of the Skywalker Saga. They put it in a different time period. You got to explore a little bit in the High Republic. Great.

You get to see a little bit more Jedi. You got to see some locations. But let's put it to bed. I hear what you're saying. But did they take advantage of that? No. They told the same story of Phantom Menace. No, that's not my point,

although your point is right. But that's a different conversation. I'm just saying they did. They took a shot. at least they didn't explore inside the same place, but they dropped the ball on it, and that's why I'm saying put it to sleep. But what we didn't talk about,

and I didn't mention it in my immediate reaction, and I didn't mention it in my reaction because I turned it off as soon as it was over, and then I kept seeing comments about it. How about the post-credit music? When I talk about that? What's that song? Are these people even paying attention to what Star Wars?

The song's fine, but it's the same way that, Did you see the Gladiator trailer? Gladiator 2? Yes. Great trailer with music. It didn't fit. The music.

I mean, now look, it's not connected to actual scenes, but it just, you're in the middle of this, you're trying to tell this tragic story of what just happened, and Saul had to lie to this kid and say, oh, actually, it was May's fault, and she's dead. She's not going to be able to say anything. And then it's like, well, he's going to have to face all that. And then this music pops in. And then it's like an R&B song. And you're like, what, what the hell?

What is that? Nothing's fitting. It's like they're paying attention. Yeah, it's like they really wanted to question all parts, Star Wars and then say like, okay, like how can we show that we love Star Wars but do our take on it? And I think it just with the meat, like just that's a great example. Like the music, it just is just not the move. Like we had said this before.

There's, you know, three camps of Star Wars. The far one side, the far the other side, and then most of us, they're in the middle. And this show has made me realize why the one side gets so angry with what they call the Disney Plus era of Star Wars. Like, because Star Wars is a sandbox. Yep.

And it's a big one, but you got to play with it. It's like how we felt like when we didn't see the new, it was either and or solo, and there wasn't a scroll at the beginning of the film. It's like, eh, right. That's kind of Star Wars. Wars, you do it for the movies. And again, it doesn't affect the Star Wars, the movie.

Like, this is, song is at the end, but it's like, we've never seen one of those before. It's Star Wars, and it just doesn't fit. It's like... Yeah, it doesn't fit. I mean, I'm just saying, I think Steph said it right, and you just said it right. It's like what they... And this, it isn't their fault.

In the same way that people want to point the finger at Ryan Johnson for what he did at Last Jedi, and people want to point the finger here at Leslie Headland for doing this version of it. And you should point the finger at the people who are running the ship. Because they came in with what they wanted to pitch. If I go in and I say, look, I want to make a Star Wars movie about a skunk.

And I want him to just fight bagels in Jedi robes. And I want to make sure that that is to me the way I see Star Wars. And what should happen is they all point at the door and say, no, thank you. Please get the hell out of here. but if they say yeah go ahead do what you that sounds fresh that sounds new and i'm going great let's do some let's do some bagels doing some stuff and then they're like why would you do that they told me i could and it's like so you gave me 180 million dollars to make them bagels to make bagels and so that to me is like you know if that's the pitch when you go in there and you pitch this is

the way i see star wars i see star wars this way it's not it's it's on the people who are running the ship they're going, I don't know, maybe that doesn't really do. Maybe that song doesn't really fit there because that's not really what Star Wars. It's a great song, but it doesn't work. And no one's telling you that. You do it. Oh, yeah, that's great. They're trying to go to a younger generation.

They're trying to go to, they're aiming, they're just aiming it. I think we said this in the first couple episodes. They're just aiming at a different audience to try to capture it. And I think they're, the way you got to do it is to me. is aim at a new audience and still aim at the core. And they're just going past the core saying, no, we want a new core. And I think that's the wrong way to go.

I just do. Yeah. I think it's, I think you're hurting, I think they're hurting the brand when they're, when they're doing shows that are just all over the map. And they're just, this is not,

I don't know what this is. Because the show is, the show is about these twins. And I still think it should have been about Jackie and Saul. And, and put it, I mean, People are telling me don't compare it to House of the Dragon.

Hard to. Hard not to. When I'm watching that show and looking at where you can make an HBO Max slash Apple show, like that kind of quality for Star Wars show, and or is the closest thing that we got, right? So I don't know. I don't know. There is, so we have May and she, again, fails the audition.

We know she does. And then there's the conversation. Yeah, can I have your permission to do another? approach, and we know she's going to say yes, because we saw this scene already. So then we get to the quick thing, and there's Torbin now going through his crisis, and they say they're going to call the council, tell the council about these two kids, and you're not wrong, Mike, this is exactly, this is Phantom Ennis. So they're too old to start the trials.

They can do this. We've seen all over already. Torbin now decides, I've got to get on a speeder bike, and I'm going to go try to do something, and that that's where we go. We get back into that scene. We get back to the twins and they're training and they're in their middle. And is this the longest? It seems to me, like from they're in that,

they're doing their ritual, the witches. The Jedi have enough time to go back and, you know, argue again. And the ritual's still going on. I don't remember the ritual being that long. Yeah. By the time. I don't know. My wife's giving up.

But they give enough time to, Jody Turner Smith has it. The witches are starting to say, hey, well, we can't let them take our kids. And then this is where we get to, well, the Zabrak has this whole moment with May, where she's kind of corrupting. And I think you said it best before, Mike.

There are sometimes, I don't necessarily think it's just people who can't do Star Wars. I think there's certain people like, they give her, this rage, the Zabrek to do the rage. They give her to do this kind of like, you know, angry kind of alpha type of thing. And

I feel like Jody Turner Smith would have done that way better. I feel like if they would have reversed the roles and they would have let her kind of, you know, I feel like I would have been, were you, either one of you guys, I'll start with you, Steph, were you intimidated by her at all? At all, the Zabrek at all when she was screaming, yelling, getting mad at all?

Did you feel like, oh, this is a menacing character? Well, they didn't give her enough power. against Saul. Yeah, so yeah, I didn't really mind the acting, but I think that I was like, oh, she clearly has no chance against him, which is interesting. Because I thought they were pretty powerful. Right.

But that's the whole point of the writing, going back to Mike's point. Because at one point, she's swinging at him and he's just going like this, like, no problem, like Neo against the, at the end of Matrix, right? He's just kind of, yeah, you can't hit me. Nope. And then why don't you turn into a smoke monster right away? If you can do that trick, do that trick right away. She does the smoke monster stuff and then she's able, she looks like she's super powerful at the end, but I'm with you.

In the beginning, you're like, oh, well, he's, there's nothing with this fight that is at all. I don't, I don't feel her to be a threat at all to him. But we said we were going to talk about the death of Jody Turner Smith, right? Why does Saul stab her? Well, hold on. Can I say something too about this? So after she stabbed, then she's like, I was going to tell her to go with you. Why did you turn into the monster and scare the shit out of him in the first place?

Because he killed you. Why not tell him right as he shows up? And hey, well, the sabers down, boys, uh, wookie, hey, I'm going to give it to her. You're not, oh, yeah, there's no, there's. And we've seen Saul. These Jedi are the stupidest motherfuckers on the planet. We saw him on that planet. Uh-oh, here comes a flying moth.

Right. Saul is impulsive. he'll kill anything without the drop of a hat. Of course he's going to kill her. But it's like... Shit! It's a stupid writing. I will say...

Stupid writing, but again, that scene looks cool. Like the slow motion with the sabres coming out, I just wish it was done in a different thing altogether. But because Torbino, again, is the first one to take the saber out because, you know, he's a paddle on. He's stupid. And then when, I guess he doesn't even know that it's May, he says, OSHA.

when she walks out. Yeah, that was weird too. It was super weird. And then for some reason, she turns into the smoke monster, and then he stabs her, kills her. And what was she going to do as the smoke monster? Right. Like why? And what's the point?

And how does he know whatever she's doing was bad? And then she's like, well, just to let you know, I was going to let her go with you. And now you killed me and now she hates your guts. See you later. Yeah. Like, what is that power? What were they going to do? Yeah.

What was he going to do? But if she was going to let her go, then why not say, hey, I know you're here. Things went bad before, but we had a conversation, and the Zabrax a little pissed off. It doesn't want to. I'll handle it. I'm still in charge. And that's the other thing. That's the other thing.

So we're in, now we're not in slow motion anymore at this point. Because here is, here is, Jody Turner Smith telling Saul, he's. saying, okay, I was going to let you go. I was going to let her go. And that took probably what, 10 to 15 seconds for her to get that little speech out? What in the world is the Zabrak doing at that point where you just watched, if either one of you, if I'm standing there with the two of you and someone wipes you out and then they're, and I'm just standing there and they're going to give you a speech. I'm just going to stand there and watch the speech.

I'm going to try to chop their head off. What are you doing? She's just standing to listen to the speech for 10 minutes. Well, I was going to let her go with you. And the Zabberg's like, let me finish it. And then I'll get mad. It's like, get mad right away. And you should be fighting Tobin, whatever his name is at this point.

So it's like little things like that. It's like the details in this stuff, it matters. Because then the Zabrax starts screaming. I will say if we're going to throw into the positives where I think that the little girl plays May, I felt, I felt really bad for her as she's there. And she's, mama, she's, here's, she just watched her, she just watched Soul cut her down in cold blood, which, how is Saul going to explain that to May now? Well, the reason why I killed your mom is because I freaked out, she turned into the

smoke monster and then I killed her and I shouldn't have. So do you forgive me? What's, what's the excuse there? It's different to say, to OSHA, she's like, well, I lied to you because we had to, I thought your sister was dead. we wanted to try to protect you and, you know, Trinity told me to do this, so I did. Okay. But what do you tell May at that point, Steph?

Right. I, it's just, yeah, I do feel really bad for May and like you kind of understand her motive, I guess, moving forward. But it's just insane that they, he, that the Jedi know they killed their mom in front of her and then are going to blame the fire on this poor innocent. They're terrible. They're terrible people. And there were people that are trying to defend last night I saw on Twitter. They were like, oh, people who were saying, why are they making the Jedi the bad guys? Because the Jedi come off like complete imbeciles in this episode all the way around.

From stealing children to justifying why they're lying and all. Like everything, like who my, when I was a kid watching wanting to be a Jedi, if you see, this is what kids saw as far as when they're growing. This is the first thing you ever watch The Star Wars. Would you want to be a Jedi? Right. No. No.

You want to be a smoke monster. Yeah. So, yeah, I'm telling you. Like, I couldn't believe it. Like, I called, well, first person I called was Mike, and Mike hadn't watched the episode yet. So then I tried calling a few other people

that weren't around. I finally, well, no. First, I got in touch with Frank Janish. And Frank loved the episode. Frank loved the... How? I need to... I don't know.

Get someone like Frank on. show once. You just go, okay. Well, PLD loved it too. I talked about, I don't know. Listen, and I said to them both, and that's what I won't do is I won't tell them for being, I asked that question. I said, I don't understand how.

I said, I don't understand how. And then they told me their reasons. I said, look, okay, opposite, opposite ends. And nobody, this is what people do wrong all the time is because if, if someone doesn't like it, you tell them, you know, they're horrible people or if someone likes it, they're horrible people and this. I can disagree with you. Like I told,

Pildee and I are on the phone for like 15 minutes talking about. He's like, no, I think this. And I said it lovingly. I think you're a nutbag. I think you're a nutbag, but I love you. And if you think it's that, if you really do think it's good, then good on you. I just don't understand.

I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Good stuff. Well, I just want to get to the part where all the witches die. Oh, yes. Yeah. Yeah, the whirlpool, the whirlpool, which is absolutely insane.

So, all right, so we get through the silly screaming and yelling by the Zabrak. She fights them off a little bit, and then she turns into the smoke monster and turns the wookie against them, right? But in that same time, the back and forth is happening with May. So we're not intimidated by the Zabrak, but then she's like, no, you know what? Actually, I am more powerful than you think. I'm going to turn into a smoke monster, and somehow I'm going to possess a Jedi I master that easy and here comes the wookie. We finally get to see the wookie with the lightsaber.

And then this ridiculous thing with the witches for some reason all together in this VR room together going, whoa. So what did I understand? Were they controlling the wookie? I guess. Or was fucking Zabrack? I guess she set up the wires in the VR and they're doing the actual VR. It seems like because and the other side of it is to, and maybe this is where Steph

we'll go with this. So here are these witches. And we see at least powerful enough to control a Jedi master. And yet one other Jedi master, by her lonesome, takes them all out. And does she kill them? Or just knock them out? Like what happens to them? Right.

It's like this, unless the mother is so on Asai, so much more powerful than the rest of the witches, which they don't really do a good job of explaining the chain of power and command and why the girls are going to be so much more powerful than them but they she's able to take over the mind of a Jedi he's not able to fight it and then all of a sudden this one Jedi not even in the same room as them can take over all of them and seemingly knock them out and perhaps kill them all yeah and what was she doing by way. Where was she? Outside.

She wasn't in the same room as that. So how do you even know where to localize your power? I don't know. It was all confusing and then I was like, are they dead? It didn't explain that very well at all, but they're all sitting there holding hands and then she is

able to use one big power bomb and just sets them. I laughed so hard when that happened. It was so ridiculous. Did she kill them all? And if she did, that's more deaths on their hand. She just killed them all. Because they locked it. Well, they locked into my friend's brain.

And they were trying to kill my two friends. So, you know what? F them. I'm going to kill them all like this. And it's like, or they didn't. And they, she could have known and said, hey, maybe she didn't know. Maybe she didn't know that they were all controlling.

Maybe she's, we don't know. We don't know if she knew. But if she did know, hey, I just mine screwed a bunch of like witches who are probably alive. and the place is on fire, so if we can save a couple of them, we should try. Or it's, no, just let them burn. Right. And like are the, is that now a power that we're to assume the Jedi have? We don't know.

It's like snap your neck through your brain. Right. If that is indeed what happened, right? Yeah. And then we get the good sun moment where we find finally what, what's been plaguing Saul for the longest time is that he goes, he's got to drop May. Instead of holding up both the kids,

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But you don't really, I didn't, I miss. You don't see it. You don't see it. So there's no reason to smash his face like that. Can we go back a second to my second worst thing of the episode? I put a video tape this. Before you do and save it, because I want you.

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Links in the description, as everything else is. All right, Mike, before we went to break, you had a point. What was it? Yeah. We need to cover it because I filmed it with my phone. I was going to put up online, but I was like, so, you know what? I don't want to deal with the crap.

Yeah, sure, sure. She sits there, May, takes the fire with the book, and lights it, and then suddenly it's like, oh, no, what happened? It caught fire. Mom, I don't like this. Right. First of all, it's not like she took a little match and thought maybe just a couple pages. She had a thing in her hand that had fire in it with two shoots of fire. That was a handheld fucking flame thrower.

what did she think was going to happen? That book went up like that and she didn't think that was going to happen like oh, oh no! Right. Oh no! And that starts the fire. Get the fuck out of here.

Fucking terrible. Fucking terrible. All right. They had to beat you a thousand times. Well, you beat me because I don't get like this a lot. But this show, the stupid things in this show, like she took a torch to a book. What did she think was going to happen?

Right. She had instant regrets. Instant regrets. No, as they say in that one movie, no regrets. No regrets. No regrets. No. But then, you know, then there's a catchphrase for the show. Perfect. Well, they have this conversation now to where, again, doesn't really make sense.

Saul has this real attachment to this person he met either the day before or the day of. And now wants to tell everybody the truth. Turn himself in. And there's no, because there's no other Jedi Master that could probably. teach this kid so and then the other thing we didn't really talk about is the fact that so they weren't cloned they were built from the same cells is that what happened and then what remember they said that it's not two it's not twins it's the same person just split into two okay what's the point i mean that's i guess that's what the whole but they branded one and they didn't brand the other for some

reason well they were about to they were about to and then okay and then that's what happened in the first part of episode three and then the second part episode three which we just saw last night, which I agree with Seth. She's just been one episode, and it was patient. In the same way that, so Shee Hulk to me was, I wound up, I did like the first two episodes and then thought the rest of the show was just absolutely horrible. But those first two episodes were not originally planned to air in the beginning. They were planned to air at the end.

And then they said, oh, let's let people know kind of what the show is, how it connects to Marvel and do all that. And I think that if they should have continued the show in that vein, my personal opinion on it, but they maybe should have done something similar to this to where they go, okay, look, this, we were going to put this episode as seven, but the pacing of it, the idea of it, it probably just makes, like Steph said it earlier, just make it like one big episode. But, Steph, do you think it's maybe because they thought people were going to be more invested in this twin storyline than I think people really are? Yeah, I think that. And I think that. And I think that.

they really wanted to do a mystery. Right. They were really into having like some mysterious story unfold. And I feel like they already had that with, uh, Kymir's character. Right. What's the,

I mean, what is the mystery? I don't know. So they still have to understand. They still have to explain why May hooked up with Kymir. Oh. No, we don't know. He means.

He means. get connected as far as not actually hooking him. They never saw, they never saw face to face. Yeah, they have to explain why he How they recruited them.

How did they recruit? How did they mean? Right. When she wakes up in the burning temple and everyone's dead. In 37. In 37 minutes, how are they going to No, damn, because they're going to be on

Corazon with the temple explaining everything. There's no world that this show wraps up. They need to wrap up. No. Serviceable manner. I think steps right. I think that they're ending this episode with the understanding of like, oh, just wait to see what we do next season. And it's like, go away from this show.

It's not because, look, I'm not telling you that there aren't people who like this show. There's tons. I see tons of people who are writing on the walls that are loving it. We see people tweeting about how they absolutely love it. But it's the same point that I make about Star Wars all of the time. Right now, if you want that brand to be. you know, one of the top, like, IPs, you got to unite the entire fan base. And if you just go into a pocket of the fan base that likes it, you can't make the next,

you can't make season two for $180 million. I'll tell you that. Because clearly, I think that the, what is happening, though, is this. And people are watching this show. And I bet you that, I mean, the numbers have been going down, but people are watching. Now, the question is, are they watching it? because we all watched it. And granted Mike that we watched it also because of work and we talk about it.

And well, I guess I can ask you that. Would you, if you didn't have to watch this show, would you be watching it right now? Absolutely not. Okay. I can tell you right now, I'm not going to watch Agatha. Okay. I saw that trailer and I'm like, nope. Not for you.

After what they had done with Dr. Strange and the Wanda Vision, they kind of took this sidehorn with it and knowing the fact of behind the scenes of what's going on with what Marvel realized, oh, we went too far, but this was like pre that. I'm not watching it. Okay. So you don't have to cover it on anything. No. I don't have to cover it.

So I was like, there's too much stuff out there that I do have to want to watch and I don't get to. Yeah. I got to pick and choose. Steph, at this point, if you were watching it, you know,

without having to cover it for work, would you go out of your way to watch it every week? No, I would maybe on a random Sunday. Check it out. try to get through some yeah i am very curious to know what the numbers of this show is right now as far as rating what all ever here is like oh it's the highest rated disney plus show this year okay what else has been out there did they drop it bad bad bad yeah but has anything

dropped that's not a that's not a little doff on the cap that they think it is but has anything dropped like i mean but it has the numbers dropped since i don't know that's the question. What are its numbers compared to Asoka? That'd be an interesting one. I think better than Osoka from what I hear. That's surprising just because of how the hardcore fans of love that show. As far as, and it's funny because when it started, I felt like it was going to be a little bit different. I thought they were going to dive deeper into the actual writing of this show. And it turned to some of the writing and the show was just absolutely abysmal. I will probably now, I was going back and forth to see which one I would rank the lowest. Would it be this or Boba Fett? And I would rank this as the lowest right now. I told you like two weeks ago.

I'll watch Boba Fett again in a heartbeat before I go back to this. Well, you know why is even though and even though it's a matter of the, it's not the same show, if you look at the episodes listed, those two Mandalorian episodes are in the Boba Fett series. So those two episodes alone go, yeah, it jumps up. And what's more rewatchable? Those two episodes or anything that we've seen thus far in this? Let me ask you guys this. We talk about writing and we praise Andor because Gilroy had said to them, like,

don't watch anything else. We're telling our story. We've got other people that will bring us in. Do you think these writers, Leslie brought them in going, don't watch Star Wars. Just we're going to tell the tale we want. Because I get the argument when I see people in Twitter go, you've got to get people that love Star Wars to write Star Wars and understand. And like, I do get it.

Sometimes I get it. Yeah. I do think that I think she has to be fair. I just get it. I understand that argument where people see stuff and they're just like, these people just don't like Star Wars. Well, but to be fair to her, I think she put people in the room. She said as much. She put people in the room.

There were a lot of writers who liked Star Wars and then there were some that didn't know anything about it at all. I don't mind that approach if there's a few people out that are really good at writing. And like Tony Gilroy is not a big Star Wars fan, but he's a great writer. And so he surrounded himself. with people, and that's where I think that was blown out of proportion, if it was like, I'm just putting people in the writing room who don't give a crap about Star Wars and we're doing our own thing,

that's a problem. But I do think there were people that I just think that their approach and what they were, I think that the way that they, these are probably, the people that are writing this show are probably in the portion of, like, if they weren't watching the show, and this show would be made for them. And they would be in that portion of the audience that we're talking about that loves it.

So to them, they're making anything they want. always write what you want to see. Yeah. And that's what you want to see. And these are what these writers want to see. And they're proud of what they've done. And it good for them. But it doesn't.

Yeah. It's exactly. So if it's, if it's, look, they, they, they,

if they look and they go, we're proud of what we did. This is the story we wanted to tell. And that's, this, we're changing the way that we, wow, we like Star Wars and we did this.

And then more power to them on that. But you're also going to lose a lot of people in the, in the process. Here's a good example. I'm going to, maybe this, maybe, It would be a good example, maybe a bad one. Did you guys ever watch the TV show Gotham?

Some of it. No. Some of it. It was awful in the context of what Batman in these characters are. But if you took Batman out of it, he's not in Gotham City, these are the characters, you enjoy it for what it was. But so that's the thing. Like if it wasn't in Star Wars with this stuff, if it was a different sci-fi show, well, that's, yeah, like a CW show or something.

But it could work. Well, the weight? No. No. No, because it's the, I am looking at it, object. I'm not as concerned with, I appreciate when they follow canon and respect it. But I'm not like, it's not a make it or break it for me. I'm okay with bending the rules a little bit.

I really don't care that much. For me, what I, why I love film and TV, why I like to write is because of character arcs and because of the actual story. just seeing like seeing the story through the characters and I have a massive problem with most of the main characters and I don't understand their arcs at all. That's fair. I was watching this and you know what I felt like? I felt like right before we would still say and people will know better than I do because I'm only know like the surface level side of it of the sci-fi network, right? The only show I remember having like HBO quality type of a show was Battlestar Galactica on sci-fi. A lot of the sci-fi network shows were kind of like, you know, not back in the day, not a lot of effort wasn't putting into them.

And they kind of looked like like television. For a $70 million show, I shouldn't feel like I'm watching a show in the sci-fi network. You know what I mean? And that's what it feels like sometimes. Right. Yeah, it's like there's parts of it where I'm like it is, mate. It's like, I like how it looks a lot of the times. I like the idea of it.

It's just for me, it's not, it's just, I'm not, yeah, it's not hitting. Like I'm not, I don't feel like I'm rooting for a single character. Right. Right. Right. I'm, I'm rooting for Chimer, which is crazy. Right. No, it's not crazy because that's, that's who's been written the best.

Yeah. He has been written the best and his performance. has been the best. So it went from being, oh, I like Saul. He's kind of like a Quigon character to, oh,

he sucks and he's kind of a creep. And then I felt bad for Manning. I felt bad for him, the stranger, but what he was doing, I'm like, oh, okay, maybe he'll get his,

now him, I understand why he's trying to find a Padawan, because, and there's probably something a little bit more, even to that. There's a little bit more mystery to him. But the fact,

if I'm, I don't know how they don't look at, like, what that guy is doing and performance-wise and say, we cannot lose the momentum of what we're building with him right now. Episode 8 is episode 7 needs to be about, give me a flashback of his story. Right. That's where they should have went with that.

I saw all this other witch stuff already. We did that already. Who cares? It's like, get show, if they would have had a full flashback on his story, I think we're talking about this way differently. Right. Yeah. But look. Yeah, because I want to know about the Jedi that screwed him over.

I want to see him in the Jedi Temple. I want to know, like, how old is he? Like, there's so many interesting things about him. You could have done it. And you could have given us the show that you announced in 2020. But lastly, before we say goodbye, what I will say is this, it has, and I think some people might feel the opposite. It has, to me, made me more excited for skeleton crew.

I think that there would be a lot of people that say it's made me less excited for skeleton crew because now. what the hell they're going to do with that one? And I understand that. It's a fair argument. But with John Watts and everything he did with the old man and No Way Home and everything else that he did and listening to him when the three of us spoke to him

about what this show could be and Jude Law, I'm hopeful for that show. We're going to know immediately, in the same way we did in this show, what the tone's going to be. And I'm hoping that all of us is going to the show comes out in, I don't know, four months, three or four months. So we'll be back here again with all three of us right now. I'm looking at Steph.

I'm looking at Mike. You both have sour pusses on your face right now because who wants this show to be bad? Nobody. I mean, well, nobody in this room wants it to be bad. And that is why we will be hoping for skeleton crew. But Steph, do you feel the same or does it hurt your spirits more? I'm very curious. I'm nervous about it.

Yeah. Yeah. How come? Because I This is A lot of the shows I'm just like been so excited for and I'm continuously Like Underwhelmed

And yeah I just am thinking more and more maybe Star Wars in this generation isn't as much for me Oh man that's a heartbreaker That's a whole man Heartbreaker That's it's I mean if you go back That's so... And that's because...

But that's something, though, two old farts like me and Mike, it's like if you're at Lucasfilm and you see us talking about this, like, who cares? Your Star Wars is gone, guys. So eat it. If you wanted to say that, you could. Sure.

If you hear that come out of Steph Sabra's mouth, who is significantly younger, the generation that you're going for, saying that, I would then start to go, wait a minute. Maybe we should we rethink our strategy. I mean, that's, that's what I, if I was, if I was looking, I'm saying, man, and I'm sure she's not the only one, Mike.

Yeah. How do you feel about skeleton crew? I don't know. You said, like, same. Again, when did Mando come out, 2019? Yeah, the end of 2019. Yeah. Five years.

Five years, five years, four years, four and a half years. It'll be five by the time of the time. I remember, do you remember when that show came out how every single person, was pumped everyone every general your generation my generation 10 year olds we were all like god you wait for next episode holy shit nailed it what is this and i get it maybe and maybe star wars should do this where it's like we're going to have so much we can do so we can give something to everyone and this show is just not for me skeletal crew i want to give john watts the benefit the doubt because he did the old man which i loved yeah um but i i've now in the point where how many

times if they told us and they told us the story we're going to get and it's not, they did Book of Boba Fett with this, they tell us what it's going to be and we don't get that. Remember the gangster? It was going to be gangster. It was going to be good fellas in space. Yeah. It was the landlord. It's still, I still don't know. I mean,

if there's, there is one magician better than David Blaine. It's Kathleen Kennedy. I don't understand. Like, when it's, there's no movie that's come out since 2019. the brand has not been in that together feel since since Mandalorian season two

and yet anything keeps coming out these conversations I mean maybe look maybe you should Bob Iger but maybe Bob Iger and you say look people are talking about our show and that's how I mean I look at you could see the creative poll that just does destroy these things like Manda was going man it was going yeah and then they took Grogu and they put them apart fans love that. We're selling like crazy. We've got to put them back together.

And then everything had to change. And that's what Mando 3 didn't really work because they had to rush them in there. And we had to stick Mando and Grogu and Boba Fett because people want to see them. You see the creative or the suits trying to mess with the creative. And it goes off the rails. It does. And I think we went off the rails a little bit. But hey, we're passionate about it. We want to see it succeed. And right now to us, it isn't doing that. But hey, you might feel completely different.

You might love this episode. You might say, you guys are crazy. This is a great show. You guys stink. It's awesome. You guys are stink. And that's fine. Put it in there.

Let's have a cordial conversation if we can. So how'd you feel about overall with the episode? Put your thoughts in there. I want to know. Steph, where can they find you? At Substabreaulde. At Mike Kalanowski. At Mike Kalanowski.

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