The Kristian Harloff Show - THE ACOLYTE EPISODE 8 SPOILER REVIEW!

Episode Date: July 18, 2024

The Acolyte is the latest Star Wars series. The finale is finally here. The battle continues. Did the storylines pay off? Join us for this conversation with Kristian, Steph and Mike. #theacolyte #starwars #sith #jedi #mystery #review 

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So we'll see. We're going to talk about that because they certainly left it open for discussion for a second season. But we'll talk about everything that happened inside of the episode all the way through it. We'll give our thoughts and we'll talk about what we saw. So if you're brand new to the channel, you've never been here before, subscribe to the channel. Not only do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do. That's what we do. You just sing random do-doos songs when you mess up the words.

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Welcome back. Tiz the big thing. And it is Wednesday. The last time we will be talking about the acolyte maybe ever. I don't know. at least season wise. Who knows? But I'm Christian Harlock, joining me, as always, talking Star Wars.

Steph Sebrough is here. Hello, Steph. Hi. How are you? Very good. How are you? I'm good, thank you for you. Studios looking very nice.

I appreciate that. I did it all myself. Do you believe that? Yeah. I heard there's not someone else in there with you. No one else is here. And, of course, Mike Kalanowski. How you doing, Mike?

I'm good. What's up? Good. You know what's weird? What's that? When we check the mics and the cameras beforehand, your camera always doesn't look great. But for some reason, once we go on air, it doesn't look too bad. It looks all right.

Okay. Well, what I don't know what to say. Looks good. He's a showman. Yeah. Well, guys, we did it. We made it. We did.

Pat yourself on the back. Yeah, we did it. And this is what I'm going to say. I'm going to start with the positives because people always say, and Mike even said it last week, we don't want to be the, you look. and all we're doing is complaining about the show. It's hard not to. I mean, it was hard not to. For us, a lot of people out there dig it,

and we're just not three of those people, but what we will do is we're going to start out, and we're going to say that the fight scenes are fantastic. I think all three of us will agree that the fight scenes throughout this series have been, see you later, Mike. Maybe he doesn't want to agree. But we all agree that the fight scenes are fantastic,

and they continue to do that in this episode. So we have that. We have the, there's the Sith stuff that they did. And what I will say, the positive side of it is when this episode started, the first thing I said was, well, this should have been episode seven, and they should have continued on doing what they were doing. And even if they wanted to put some of that backstory in there that they showed, you could have done that effectively by kind of going back and forth and combining what they did with

episode seven with this one. You could have made it an hour and a half episode and kind of gone back and forth with the reveal of Saul and all that because there are a few reveals at work. But start with the positives here. What did you think of the fight scenes and, well, hell, I didn't even ask you your opinion of the overall episode. What did you think of the episode? I thought the episode was a good finale for the show that was given. I really like there wasn't so many like they answered the questions that I was like most of the questions I was like you got to answer this and they the arcs you know I do like that it was the opposite of a redemption arc and but I yeah so I thought there was a lot of good things in it like reminded me the same thing I reminded every episode that there's a lot of cool aspects going on just the landing doesn't necessarily work for me and it feels like they thought about all these cool moments and they were like how do we

get to there and then forced some plot to get to there yeah i mean i i agree with you i think that was a nice spin on it to be yeah so yeah you did you you did what it worked you did what you did what they did what they needed to do yeah um and yeah it just every episode now after episode like five it's just i think they should just focus on chimier yeah 100 percent and i think that Mike, yeah, Mike, this is what I said throughout the entire episode watching it. And I think we talked about it when Steph wasn't on the show. We talked about it last week when stuff was on the show. I think that their biggest misstep, and some will disagree because those people who liked it,

their biggest misstep was focusing on the twins. And I stick with that because especially with this episode, they really rely on you being so invested in the twin storyline that there were some emotional moments that are supposed to hit that a few times, I wrap this up, go back to, Saul and Chimer. Let's go back. Enough. It was almost felt like the same way that when Riva was back and forth with Baru and Owen,

and I'm like, go to Vader and Obi-Wan, I'm more invested in that. I don't care about the other story. And that's bad because this is the main story. So a lot of times I'm like, wrap it up. It didn't hit for me, but I don't know. What did you think overall of the episode? The lightsaber stuff is some of the best choreography we've seen since the prequels.

Hands down. That fighting and the kind of cratching tiger-hid dragon stuff they did awesome. That space scene with the chase, I have an issue inside of the chase scene, but that chase scene was awesome. Yeah. Like that's old school Star Wars. That was awesome. As a whole, like, I don't, those twins, I don't care about them. Like, that whole was, like, you both, you become murderers. They were A-holes. They're complete A-holes. You don't want to be a murderer, but now you're a murderer, and you're okay, because you've got, like, this Twilight crush on Chimir, and we're supposed to feel sorry for you, and you're crying for

your sister at the end like no you're a murderer that's that that is what I'm saying out of here it's nonsense like this show to me step kind of said at best like the writers had an idea but then I think at one point probably maybe headland was like okay so how do you fix that to do the stories like I don't know well think of something like like shit weasel what is his point of this entire show yeah save that save save it save it save that because I know where you're going with it save it for a second yeah I know I'm with you amount of things that happen in every episode where I see where they're going story-wise, but it doesn't make sense because certain things happen. And then they're like, just do it. No one's going to notice. And then apparently,

like, hey, I don't know. I mean, I know who Plagueis is, but the fact that everyone's watching this guy show up and waiting for him. And then we get Ghalem creeping in the corner. Yeah, that was, and we'll definitely get to get more into that. And let's not forget about good old Kiadi Mundi that they put in there for no reason in episode three. And the whole point of the show was the whole thing about or like the Sith have been extinct for nearly a millennia. Everyone lost their crap because well how's this going to happen? And then he shows up. You didn't need to show him. And he's part in the prequel still would have been fine. But the fact that you used him, he knows there's Sith. The decisions, decision after decision in every episode of this show,

you're like, what are you guys doing, man? Yeah, there's a lot of that. So I think what we're going to do here. As I think, again, I have the, I've got the pictures. We'll go through it. We'll kind of break down what we've been doing in general. And we start the episode in general with, you know, like I said, it looked like my six-year-old wearing my Yankee hat. I thought about that because you said it last time. And I didn't pick it up last episode, but then seeing it this time, I'm like, oh,

yeah, but they don't, but don't spend, this time is a little better. They don't spend enough time because at least made it a little bit more creepy. He's like, what are you doing in there? At first he smiles and he's like, okay, that's cool. You're trying on my hat and you're diving into the dark side. But then something's going on in there. And then the, the, the, which eye roll thing happens.

and they have this moment. It's like they're doing like the, the Kylo Ray stuff between the two of them. And it's like, it's okay, fine. I think it's working a little bit more with them. And this is the only time that I thought that this storyline, if you were going to do something with one of the twins or whatever it is, right?

Yeah. And if you're going to have a mandala in this show, then maybe focusing on this story in particular because to me, I think Amandaa is a good actor. I do. I thought the performance got less and less interesting. I don't know if it was just because of the storyline in general, but there's a lot of the same kind of face stuff.

The fighting did not work at all when they were fighting each other. It didn't work at all for me. And the anger and the idea of, first of all, I guess we'll get to it when we get to it. But I just, the other thing. And I'll ask you, Steph, because I want to see if you can rationalize this. I don't feel like you can. Maybe you can't. The whole time, Khmer is telling her, let me train you. I can train you and I can

turn you into a pretty badass to learn how to do it. She's like, nope, I'm not doing that. I'm not doing what my sister did. I'm not going to train with you and learn how to do this. So she, because, you know why? She doesn't need to learn because she can choke out a Jedi with no problem using the dark side. How? If she hasn't been trained, how does she use the dark side to choke and kill a Jedi? How does she do that? Can you explain that? I know. I just think that's... I can explain it.

Being like she was... That's how powerful the twins are when they want to... But they weren't trained. And what's the point of training them? But then he said... But remember, Khymir did say, you don't need to be trained, really, to use it. But to...

Okay, to use it. But to kill a Jedi and choke out a Jedi to a Jedi who's been trained for years upon years upon years. Yeah, I'm with you. If I'm reaching, I'm thinking Soul kind of wanted it to end. He did say at one point it's okay, but it's like, you know, fight a little bit. Because Soul was like, you know, he defeated Chimer, who defeated literally 10 Jedi, like, no problem. Right.

And yet she can just come out because she's angry that he lied about her mom and she can she can just kill him by doing that. He's like, yeah, that's just tons of the stuff that didn't make sense. You said you can explain it? Yeah, because the writers wanted to be like, hey, wouldn't it be cool? cool if we like showed where the force choke came from and the first person to use it. Yeah, that'd be awesome. Let's have her do it. I don't think she's the first person to do it.

But that's what they made it seem like because he's looking at her going, what are you doing? You're choking someone without the force. That's what they made it sound like. They're all like, that was like, oh my guy, this is the first time this has ever happened. He's not looking at her going, wow, yeah, you're good. He's like, what are you doing? How did you do that? Like, they wanted to show the first force choke in Star Wars on screen.

And it made no sense in the context of the story. That better not be the case because there's so many different things they did. Like, stop, and even the whole idea, and I guess we'll jump to the Plague's thing in general, but the idea that Plagueis learned how to manipulate life because he found the virgins between these witches who came up with it. Is that what they're saying? That's essentially what it is. If you think about it, he finds out he's been tracking, Plagas has been tracking Tymir or whoever, whatever, reason it is and tracks and watching this virgins with the two twins and realizes oh he also figured out

well the witches did it now i'm going to figure out i'm going to i'm going to steal their research and then i'm going to create anakin and it's or teach my apprentice how to create aniken it's like come on what are you doing the witches were the ones that came up with that idea come on it's like you completely you have it's my whole point with you have this is why lucas film it's like what you have this James Lucino novel, it's right there. You can have access to it. You don't have to pay for it because you own it. And even if you didn't, you could pay for it and read it.

It's worth it. And you look at it and you go, oh, we can get some people to turn this book into a six episode mini-series and do everything that we tried to do in this and stick with it. But instead, they just completely do this cockamamie story of whatever they're doing. It's so dopey. But these two are, you know, playing footsies and handsies throughout the whole episode. But this time he reaches in, he says, take my helmet off. You don't know how to do it yet.

And then Amanda will do in the face that she does throughout the entire series of the shocked kind of look at everything. Doesn't mean even if you ask her to order your bagels. She's making this face. And then we switch to May. And this is where I said, because the first scene, guys, I'll tell you when it started. When I first seen it started, I'm like, okay, this is where we're starting. We're going to go back into what they're doing.

I'm in. And then the second we jump to May and Saul, I'm like, okay, here we go again. May is now out again, right, chained up, and she's going to dupe Saul once again. And Saul gets duped once again. It's like, you might as well play the Benny Hill music again. It's pissed in her face again. It's like, yeah. And Benny Hill is, the belly.

Benning Hill Music where he's just, he just went through this entire story that he told us that we had to sit through episode seven again because he needed to tell her this story. And then it meant nothing. She didn't hear anything. And she just, no, she runs off. And then she says, see you in hell Jedi. Like, it's supposed to be some badass moment. It was a goofy moment in general. And then that's where the shit rat's like, oh, who farted?

Every time the shit rat pops up, it looks like he's sniffing, he's sniffing farts. And so this scene in general, Steph, walk me through. through this scene. Well, yeah, I, oh, I don't know what you want me to say. So she's laying on the table. When she's laying on the table, did. She's laying on the table. She gets up, but it's not very clear what she heard of the story and what she didn't

hear of the story. But I also think it doesn't matter because she was fully aware of what happened that night. It's not like she was a baby. She was a pretty grown child. And she knows that he killed her mom. I don't think that she's listening to this murder's reasoning for why it all happened. Like, there's no excuse for that.

So I think the whole time she was just like, I don't care what you have to say. Yeah, but even when he says to her, he goes, because, yes, you're 100% right. There's no excuse for it. There was nothing. He's like, I did it to protect you. She wasn't doing anything. She just was turning into a smoke monster. That's part one.

Part two, part two, Mike, before you go, is that he says, he says, he says, yeah, but he says, you burned everybody. And she's like, that's because you guys came in. But why did you burn everybody else? But she didn't burn everyone. And Dara killed everyone. What? But when did we see that? And Dara like snapped their necks when they were doing their...

No, but she burnt everybody up. And then she goes, I locked them up to protect them. What? What are you talking about? It's too confusing. It doesn't make any sense. It was too confusing. It made no sense.

It's like, Well, wait a minute. The Jedi came in. He's like, you burned everybody up. That's because you guys came in. So, wait, can we go back to that? So we came in to take your sister away. And because of that, you burned everybody up and that's okay.

Why? You killed my mother. Yeah, I did. Okay, we agree that's bad. Yeah, I agree that's bad. But I didn't know you were alive. Oh, there's the shit rat. See you in hell, Jedi.

Wee. And it's like, terrible scene. I know. It's like the whole time, he's, who, I feel like they were trying to make it a murder mystery the whole time, but I don't understand. I've never understood that with the show. No, and then we keep, and Mike brings up the point all the time here, and that's, May goes through different things, I want to be good.

I'm going to turn myself in. No, no, I'm not. Now I'm going to do this. Now I'm going to listen to you. The idea of, we knew, and this show is about as predictable as it gets, everybody knew that Venestra was the, was Chimier's master. Everybody knew that. and then everybody knew that OSHA was going to turn bad from the way that they set that up. But instead of turning May in the predictability, which they should have stuck with, I think, of good and let her, she realizes the way, because we set her up as the bad one, she's still a schmuck and a half, I guess because she's the same person.

Yeah, I don't mind that at all. There's just like these little things where I'm constantly like, instead of me being like, oh, that's why I'm like, huh? And one of the things is like when Chimir is like she didn't need to use a weapon and so she used OSHA but then why does OSHA not his new disciple

get to use weapons? And what was the entire point of her not using weapons to kill Jedi? It didn't make any sense and plus the fact she was using weapons. She was using knives. She was using she did use weapons. Right and what was the point of him doing that and how did he find

her? None of that made sense. And it was also the same thing of like where you finally do get Plague's sneaking around the corner there or and it's like, why not just make that like the second episode. As far as make that the bigger reveal. They show Plagas or he's sneaking around the corner there. They're making the species of the immune, which I was happy about. But at this point, he's looking around the corner and you don't, you don't show him for the rest of the episode. So because they, that what they did in this was, which is a bad. thing to do on any show unless you're green litter ready for a second season off the gate

never make a show that has so many open questions without a guarantee of season two don't ever do that because you leave it going well where's that guy going to be now you set up you've introduced plague us and what if the season two never happens right it was it was all of it was like too much and this show for the amount of money that it cost I mean Mike's not wrong that That scene when they're flying through space was awesome. It looked great. It looked great. The whole show has looked really good to me.

Yeah. I know some people didn't think that, but really every episode has looked really good to me. The finale totally, like, looked amazing. Brentock is such a cool location to shoot at. Yeah. The fight scenes are so great. It just is the story doesn't work.

It's a story. It was a story because they fly off in a space. And this is the thing that Mike and I are completely on the same page with here. They're flying through the space thing and it looks amazing. And I had said as much of my reaction to it. And then this is all this stuff that's going down in this particular scene makes no sense to me. So first of all, why is she wearing a helmet? She doesn't need to put a helmet on.

But she dropped in and put that help. Like, again, this, I feel so stupid for calling shit out like this. But because I'm not invested in everything is like, what? She jumps in. She's like, oh, got to get the helmet on. Why does she put the helmet on? Why? She's not a pilot.

And Saul doesn't put a helmet on? It just looks stupid on her. Like, it was just like, so many decisions after decisions on this series are making me go, what are you doing, man? Yeah, she puts the helmet. You're not trying to call anyone. You don't need the comms thing in the helmet. You don't, you're not.

No, but then here. Put it on for. Get out of there. Go, fly. And then here's the other side of it. So this whole episode, this whole episode is Saul saying, I couldn't kill either. I couldn't get rid of either one. I couldn't. Why did I have to find May?

I had to find May to prove the virgins in the force. I had to prove it. Be able to prove that and be able to prove everything that I discovered. You got to both be alive. I got to show, I got to make sure I show you guys, which made sense. Then what does he try to do? Tries to blow her up at one point. Hold on. Okay, now this is what I want to talk about.

Yeah. Because I asked people about this. First of all, I was like, what is the shit weasel doing? Yeah, the shit rat. Please, get it right. He's sabotaging the ship. Like. Why?

He was biting her feet to it. like, oh, Saul tried to destroy. I go, well, first of all, I didn't take it as that. I thought Saul was trying to pull her in with the tractor beam. It looked like. Well, why is Saul trying to kill her then? That's exactly. So look, so there's something wrong either way.

Either way. He's tracking her. It looks to me like he's tracking her to blow her up, right? Which would make no sense considering the entire thing. He's saying he needs. His entire character arc of eight episodes is his guilt over failing to kill. So why are you going to blow her up? And I was going to blow him up?

But let's go. So let's go to you. We'll say that the... So let's say it's a tracking record. Then what is the shit rat doing? What's the shit rat doing? What's he doing? The shit rat is now pulling the plug.

And this is a little disgusting, little disgusting animal that was biting on feet and, you know, stomping and just sniffing ass the whole time. And now he's pulling cord and not even, for some reason, there's a change of heart. And then Saul doesn't even complain about it. He goes, oh, yeah, maybe I shouldn't have tried to blow her up. I lost my cool. Now, where was this? I wish he would have lost his cool and killed Kime here a couple episodes when, remember that whole fight?

He was like, no, no, no, don't kill him. Even though he killed everybody else, don't kill him. It's like the decisions of these characters are just, the writing is lackluster to be nice. Right. That's why I don't think it's the, I happen to like all the performances and I feel like it really does lie in the writing. You have to, as an actor, you have to, what you're given is what you're given. You've got to make the best of it.

And I think all of them are. Like, we'll get to one character later that I thought was like, oh, this is the kind of acting I want to see in this show. But, yeah. I saw one tweet that, like, really pissed me off because I feel, I probably shouldn't take it personal because it's just not how I feel. But it was this idea that people who don't like the show don't understand the nuance of the story they were trying to tell. And that we don't, like, cannot see the fact that there's gray area. within the Jedi and it's like no one said that I want the Jedi to be exposed as the idiots that they were we we see it we see that they're not the good shining knights and armor that they are

but not the problem that's not what we're saying is yeah I was just like no you'd say those people that do stuff like that can't admit that hey I love Star Wars this isn't a good show but it's still love it you can do that or the flip side of that too Mike is that look I the person who's right doing this tweet I feel like there is a lot of stuff that that exposes the nuance. It does this. It does that. And if you don't see it that way,

we just see a different point of view here, right? And opposed to, well, it's because you don't understand this is what you want. I had a loyal viewer who was saying, like, hey, don't you think the reason why people don't like this because they just want simple Star Wars stories? Like, no, we want good writing. Like, good writing. If you dive into this story and you dive into certain character moments, it's not good writing. You can like it and you can disagree with me.

But it's not good writing. There's character choices. And Venestra, like that's, I got to disagree with you a little bit too, Steph. Because, yes, I don't think the writing is good. But the actress playing Venestra is so bland, just so bland. And I draw to this point before I get there. But the scene with her and the senator, Ravencroft, right? I like him.

Great. He was fucking circles around. Where was he? Where was he? He should have been in Andor. He's bringing Andor level acting to this show. That guy should have been in every episode. He should have been a major player, and they saved them for the end.

He was saying the same dialogue that the other actors were being given. But because he just imbued it with a character, he wasn't playing the stereotypical evil senator. No, you know what he did? No, here's what he did. In where we just talked about how the idea of plague is coming up with the, oh, now he sees this twin thing, that we don't really like this element of the witches came up with it because it didn't make a lot of sense. Like, eh, it doesn't really work. there's certain things that people will say,

I don't believe it. But when this guy says, you know, one of these days, the Jedi is going to destroy, or someone's going to go rogue or something, and you're like, oh, well, this guy's calling the truth here because we know that happens. You know, but he did it with such conviction, and he does it in a way.

I'm like, where is that guy? That guy should have been the feature in the same way that the one senator in, what the hell was it? I think it was Asoka, that kept busting, Harris chops. Like he should have had a more prominent role like that to where you give that senator,

show me what's going on in the Senate chorus. Right. Like show why the Jedi are stressed to cover the story. Yeah. They'll continue to cover the story. I felt like for a show that did an entire backstory episode, I would have really appreciated backstory from Jackie's character, from Yord's character from the senator's character from the Jedi Council's characters

Jeff, Jackie and Yord, you're like, what was the point of them having them on this show? Right. Just to show that we're going to- Without a backstory. No, there was nothing to them. It's just the fact that we liked them for when they were there. They were cool, yeah. They wanted to show us that, hey, these are characters you like, we're going to kill them, so this is not bad. You didn't give us enough time.

They'll give us enough time. The only reason we liked them is because their performances were good. And I didn't even like Yord that much, but Yord at the end of it, I was like, I felt bad for him because of what he was doing. He did. He was good at what he got. Yeah, watching back for what he did, he annoyed me for some of the choices he was making. But overall, he is better than I gave him credit for in the beginning.

And then when he and his, he and Jackie at least had meaningful, or not, I shouldn't say meaningful, but I should say, you go, oh, and I think you go, I wish they wouldn't have died because you're like, those are interesting characters. Because the thing is when, and I stand by it, we've set it on the show and I say it again, this show should have been get rid of the twins

Saul, Jackie, murder mystery, what's happening? He'll keep Venestra kind of holding this Padawan secret and all of that happening, Plague us in the background, the infiltration, all of that and Jackie could still eat it at the very end because she discovers

what's happening with Plagos and whatever and then you have the idea it doesn't ever come out and write as it's about to make that phone call to tell you, hey, guess what's lurking? It never sees the light of day and we know it doesn't see the light of day because of the Sith have been gone from millennium. They didn't pay attention to that type of stuff. And they wanted to come up with their own thing to throw into the lure. And the missing Star Wars music absolutely is, is, and I'm

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Here we go. All right, so the ship crashes, and then we bounce back to the accountant in the Jedi robe with the hairdo, and he let the senator in the room. Venestra goes, oh, and you let him in there, and then there's that scene that Mike's talking about where. And where is this actor from, Mike? What show? I saw it Supergirl. That's how I...

Oh, okay. I don't know his name. I was going to look it up, but he was from Supergirl or the C.W. like DC shows. He was Martian Manhunter. He was great. He was absolutely great. And this was a good performance by him. And I thought that scene was the best part of dialogue that I actually went up carrying

and I was invested in it going, oh, all right, let's see. And this is the scene where I was. I did. I'm not, I got excited for a second here because these two are talking. And then he's basically trying. We see the romance beginning between the two of them. And he's now telling her, he offers her the chance. She says, no, playing hard to get.

He likes that. and then she's like, no, let's just, let's get the hell out of here. And then there he is. He's peeking around the corner. It's, we assume, plague is. Now, for people asking, people like, well, it's 100 years ago. Wouldn't he be super young in order to do it? This is the one thing that I've been saying forever.

If his species is immune, if that's what it is, seems like it is. In canon, they haven't specifically said how long they could live. They could live 200 years. They could live 300 years. So he could be 100 years old at this point. Who the hell knows? That point doesn't bother me at all. What bothers me is let's see him once.

So everybody goes, whoa, yay, there he is, finally. And then you never see him again. Well, we'll see him in season two. Because I saw the tweets, and, like, they put that in there for the people that are like, ah, they did it. My heart is happy. That's, it's like stupid fan service that doesn't play out. Like, it's like, it's got to play out.

I'm going to tell you right now. Well, it could have been earned because I was there. and this was my face when I showed him. Finally, there he is. What's he going to be doing? And he does nothing. He does nothing except wait till season two. And I'm like, wait till season two.

I'm like, come on. We've been waiting so long for that. You wait until season two and then him and Yoda and everybody will be in it. That's why now we set you up with all these nuggets. Please renew us for season two. And it's like, no. You don't deserve it. You don't deserve it.

But so Plague is there and he just doesn't come back. It's a cool thing like, okay, so clearly, though, they're setting up that he's been, he's stealing the information, and that's why he's interested in the twins. So we get to Brendak, and now there's the greatest hits for Saul as he's walking through. He's getting sad about everything that he did, you know, and he's, and we go through the same damn thing we've seen for three episodes now. We saw, oh, that was hilarious, by the way. I don't know if you guys noticed that when I, because episode seven was essentially episode three. So I said to Steph at one point. I go, Steph, so what did you think about episode three again?

and and people like this show's so bad he doesn't even know we're episode he's reviewing I'm like because it was the same episode it was straight I'm confused because my timelines now are all over the place so all the Jedi Yor Jackie

when they fought Chimir was that on Brendak no no that was on that other Wookie planet or whatever the Wookie planet or whatever the Wookiee was hanging out wherever the Wookie was hanging out yeah right with the with the

when they were killing all the birds. Okay. That's not Brendadog. That's not Brendak. No. So they, now, I still don't really know Venestra's deal. And I love how the, even the senator knows. Oh, you got the rumbly tummy in hyperspace again?

That was hilarious. Why does he know? Why would a senator? But he said the same thing. But he said the same thing. I know that you don't like hyperspace. The stupidest like, but it's so funny. He's like, she quickly changed it because he's like, how's your stomach?

You got the shits? And she's like, no, no, no. My headache. It's a headache. It's a headache. It's a headache. It's a headache. What point

when you're a writer do you go, we're going to put this in there. This is going to be good. Well, no, that's from the books. It's from the books.

It's from the books. Hold on a second. So now we're picking and choosing what books we can use? Totally. That book about the rumbly shits, but we can't use Plague's origin? Well,

no, because here's the difference, my name. So, So when it comes to the books, it's the High Republic stuff is canon. That Darth Plague's book is not canon, right? Who decided that? That when they bought over the stuff in 2012, right?

That's when they bought it. Yeah, when they bought it over, they decided that there was legends and then everything moving forward was going to be canon. They don't really pay attention to much stuff in the canon. and stuff, but this particularly, they did. So if you read the High Republic novels, then you were rewarded that you knew that she got the poops when she goes into hyperspace or whatever it is

because she has visions or whatever it might be. But you have to be told that by people who read it because for us, for you, if you didn't know, you're like, oh, she does, it's just this thing that they want to keep referencing to that she's got, she gets the poops when she gets into the hyperspace. So, Finestra has the poops. So as she's, you know, cleaning her bowels.

She goes, we get back to this scene here where once again now, Saul has now taken on the role of John Boyega and just starts screaming for the episode. And he just starts screaming May every 20 steps, where at one point he has a chance to catch her. He stops and screams into the cave, May. And he does that quite a few times to where it was. because it made no sense. And then she, for some reason, is hiding off of a balcony

where she could have just been hiding somewhere else. But she's hiding close to her death. So we then get to the fact that she's walking around. She sees the thing. She remembers the bridge stuff. I still didn't really buy the emotion. But then this is where the episode kind of picked up. And as we all said before, this scene,

this fight scene between Kimeir and Saul was amazing. It was great. battling. It had kind of shades of old school lightsaber fights that we had seen in the past and they're battling through and I, so Mike, you like this crouching tiger, hidden dragon thing that they were doing. It was the only

part of the fight that I didn't like. Well, I liked it because I'm trying to take it for what it is at the time. But in the grand scheme of things, like, well, we've never seen anyone do this before and now they're suddenly doing this. Yeah, just I didn't, for me, I'm like, you're in the

middle of this intense, really good, favorite fight that I was enjoying. And that's like, style. And like, don't do style. Just keep doing the fight. Show me the motion. Like, I liked it because it was what was on the plate. I wasn't talking about the restaurant that I was eating at. I was what I was served. And I'm like, this is a good meal. That's fair. I don't know if I liked this restaurant.

But how did you feel about it, Seth? Did you like the overall? I liked it. I did. I think that Sol has a different fighting style. So I appreciated it. Okay. So, I mean, this fight happens. And then, and that was so that, that's, that I will completely. completely copped to being a very nitpicky thing. And it didn't take away from how great the fight scene in general was because these two were really battling it out.

And I believed it. I believe it. But we also didn't really get, I mean, I guess you kind of get it with the Venestra reveal. But remember when Saul was like, oh, yeah, I remember you kind of. I remember energy about you. But they don't really reveal how they knew each other. I assume it's because he knew it was Venestra's padawan. But they don't really even get into that.

And I guess that's because they want to do that reveal at the end, which I guess... But how old are they? Because remember when he told May it was a really, really long time... Oh, no, it was OSHA at that point. It was a really, really long time ago. It made it seem like he had been living Yoda years. I don't know. Again, this is the kind of information.

It's just, who knows? And this is the other thing. And is this nitpicky? Did it bother you? So when Venestra does get there at the end, and within seconds of getting, getting off the ship. She was, you. And she knows, right? Yet, when she's kneeling over Saul's body and the guy's right there staring, she doesn't pick it up for like five minutes. The only thing I thought with that was because they did a nice job of it. He had his helmet off.

Yeah. Okay. And he sensed it wouldn't put it back on. Okay. Okay. Like the magneto type thing? Yeah. Okay. That's kind of cool. That's, I think that's the only reason I thought that. Okay. That's, so there you go. Then I stand corrected on that. That makes sense because See, when things on screen are done, you don't explain it and word it out. Well, they did explain it. That's what I liked about it. That's when you say that, wait real quick. When you say that, he did say, I'm not going to let you go in there and read my thoughts.

So that makes sense. But that was like last episode. So what they're giving you make sense. It's not out of left field of a poop weasel. Right. Getting rid of messing with a chip. It was just like, okay, yeah, that's, you did. You established that and there we go.

Okay. That made sense. So these two keep on fighting. and before she even gets there, obviously. And then we get to, like, this is what I was talking about before. And so we jump now to the room that here, May and OSHA are in. It's now they confront one another. And they're asking OSHA to show that anger.

I didn't buy the anger. And then this fight happens. And they do the slow motion thing again this time, to which. Now, Steph, you said it's because of Saul's fighting style. Explain this one. I don't know any. I don't know with them too. I,

you know, I've never been able to. I just feel like as a twin, I do not understand not taking a second to listen to your twin. Well, they're not twins. That's one thing. Okay,

whatever. Whatever. They've grown up thinking they're, they have a very close bond. Yes. Not twins would have because they were there from the beginning before anyone else was in their lives. So I think that May,

to her the own goodness has stayed true to her point she's always said I didn't do it you're not listening and OSHA's never listened at all which I like I guess if you

this is why I think they're like we're going to have OSHA and bad and I think all of the bad characters have one thing in common and it's that they are desire filled with soul he had a desire to have her as a pat-a-wan with may she had a desire to be a Jedi and I think like the desire

led to the bad side to the dark side and but it's like the twin just like not listening to may at all to the last episode the last moment felt like that didn't make that was forced to me yeah yeah I completely I completely agree like that when I was watching that scene between the two of them I'm like, I'm invested in this chimera and solfite. Get me back there. Yeah. I'm like, get me back there. This, this, I didn't believe that Amandaela brought forward that kind of rage anger that

they were trying to bring out. I think it also telegraphs that you're about to see. And that is the other thing. They had that whole scene with her and chimera at one point where he's, I had a vision and I saw May with a lightsaber near Saul. Did any one of you think that it was May and not. a vision of herself doing it because they're one person did i mean did right you know what i mean like the second they said that i'm like okay well clearly she's seeing herself doing this right and then i feel like

they really thought they were eating with the reveal that they are the same person and to me that just like did absolutely i didn't even get a tickle from it i was like i don't what's the different was that supposed to be like some big secret reveal yeah they were he kept saying you're not to sisters. You're not twins. There's a virgins in the force. Right. There's a virgins of the force. And I, but that's that you said it though, stuff. I think that was what I said in the beginning.

They really banked on the fact that everyone was going to love this twin story. They were banking on it. Clearly, they were rolling with it. And it's like it was the most least exciting thing of the whole show. Because it's not what the show was pitched. It's not what the show was. They was killing Jedi. You know, that was her thing, killing Indara at the beginning.

She locked the witches up and... Burnt them up. She's responsible for them dying. Why is she killing everybody? It's between that and also the idea of how are they that powerful without the training to kill all these masterful Jedi? How are they able to do it? They don't explain it.

In the same way that you said before, there was other ways they explained stuff. They don't explain it. So we do, thank God, get away from this fight. and we go back to the fight of Chimir and Saul. And even Chimir knows it where he puts them up against the wall at one point. He says, well, the Jedi, they're not here for me. And Saul quickly realizes it too. We jump back to the silly fight between the two almost sisters.

But we are bouncing back and forth. Thank God enough time to show like the power. And I love the rage and the energy between the both of Chimir and Saul really played. It really played. I was super invested. It was great. It was great. And the cross sword thing that they do quite often in these saber fights,

but I think it worked. And finally, Saul gets the upper hand. He's got chimir dead to rights once again. And this is where somehow, now, if you watch that other fight scene, Oshah just kind of disappears or somebody just disappears. I don't know how they did it. The shit route opened up a tunnel, I guess, and then she crawled through it. That's what we'll say.

But she's able to, again, once again, Doop, this show should have been called May Dup Saul, because she does it again, and she grabs his lightsaber this time, and for some reason, Khymir just stands there during this entire thing. He's been fighting and trying to kill Jedi, yet he's just standing there, and Saul turns his back on this guy who's been trying to murder the last five minutes, just turns his back on him, and just stands there and listens to both May and OSHA when they come out and doesn't do a damn thing. It just waits for the reveal of all this stuff to go down.

So we have our emotional moment here, and this is where the big reveal is. She starts choking him out and is able to do he doesn't fight it. She chokes him out. We're supposed to feel really bad about it. Saul who was in the beginning the first two episodes, oh, this could be a Quigon-type character, and just turned into a sucker.

I don't know, Steph, what do you say? I like the idea of the timing of OSHA walking in and finally hearing it. It just is a reminder that she was, May was trying to tell her that the entire time. And that's crazy that you weren't listening. And I feel like even the apology was not enough. I just feel like May has gone through too much at this point. But it was fine.

Like I thought the ending was Were you were you like oh no Are you like okay That made that OSHA turned Yeah I mean you saw coming right? Oh yeah Right yeah By the end of it I was like she we built it up this hardcore And I've always thought that she was selfish

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Now, Kymir here is like he sees, all right, listen, he killed this dude, choked him out, take my hand. She goes, no, but I'm going to bleed a crystal. I don't know how I'm able to do that already, but I can bleed a crystal. And for some people who are going, and this is probably Mike,

how the hell did this thing turn red, right? Is that what you were thinking? No, I, like I said, usually when I get home from work, I come home, take a nap. And by the time I'm up, most people have seen the episode already. So I kind of go on Twitter a little bit just to kind of see what people are saying. And people would pointed that out. So I'm assuming something in the Star Wars deep lore, canon, legends, books. Yeah.

It's that this happens. Yeah, there was something that they introduced a few years back. But on the other side, on the other side, I see the people that, you know, again, Star Wars has to be for everybody. You've got to get everyone involved. Some people are like, what? Lightsabers are mood rings now? Right.

Like, it's not exactly. I'm sure there was some kind of explanation, some kind of like. Yeah, that didn't bother me either. No. That's what, but, but in my head, for Star Wars now, so did Vader not his chiber crystal? Was it not red? Did he bleed it?

Like, is it like, I thought the chiber crystals you can find are red. Yeah, I would have preferred that. I didn't like, but to be fair to this. show they're they're not the one that introduced this notion so it's not like when there's other things to say wait a minute what are you doing here this is something they got from the books i didn't like it when they did it in the books i like the idea that you that there it's not stable for certain you know sabers to do it and only certain people can make those unstable crystals work like a vater and the sith and because you have to emotion wise i think that makes more sense but that's not that's not the accolades no but to do what you're saying like

if it was done in a book and that's what it's like, if it was done once, that shows like, oh, this person is different. But if other people are going to keep doing it, like I'm like, whatever, all right, here we go. Yeah, I don't know if that's the case, but it didn't bother me too much. But nonetheless, she now, it looks like,

okay, look, now I'm all pissed off. I don't longer have, now his saber is now my saber and I have a red saber now. So what do you say about that? And then Venestra steps off the ship. This is what we're talking about. She realizes she's got her gang of, Nobody's. We don't know who any of these people are minus the accountant, and then you got the little

shit rat in the background, right? So then May and OSHA, who were just fighting not too long ago, have decided to not fight anymore because they're both realized they're horrible murderers and they can be friends again. So that's what they do. And then this, and I guess all the Jedi come out in the middle and they stand around and I thought it was going to be a flash mob, but it's not. It's just them standing there for some odd reason staring at the grass. Venestra is able to do her investigation to see what happened. And then as Mike pointed out, Khmer now has the helmet back on.

She can't read him right away and then realizes Saul is toast and comes up with her filthy lies. All right, so speaking of filthy, the shit rat now has taken some of the Jedi into the forest. He smells something, whether it's a ham sandwich or whatever it is,

but he goes and he takes it. Now the twins are back to the tree, and then this is where they decided, okay, you know what we're going to do. Somehow, Khmerer has this ability to wipe memories completely. why he didn't do that to everybody in the first place. Who knows?

But it worked for this particular scene. So he's like, I can wipe her memory, Peter Parker style, Dr. Strange, here we go. And that's what he puts his little helmet on. They touch hands. Oh, they're getting filthy later on, fine. And then they give hugs, lots of hugs. And then she forgets her speech that we all wish that we forgot, but she didn't. And then, okay, I forgot.

And then the accountant, this is my favorite part. The accountant comes in and finds her. And he goes, whatever he says to her he says you know you got you drop your weapon do this and she's like and she's lost her memory and they pan to him like he knows she lost her memory how does he know that how does he know she's not lying it's like things like that it's just silly show but all those moments there step anything that stands out about anything that maybe you thought actually they thought they did that well did you care about that moment where the memory was wiped uh yeah i did

feel some emotional poll and I also was just like frustrated that the twins couldn't why is may getting screwed over again right but now she just has to live like 51st dates for the rest of her life like that's just such a bummer and they finally reconciled and now may feels like she gets the better half of the stake she gets like this bay she's going home with that's going to teach her how to be the sickest Sith ever and they're gonna like have this romance and I feel like

Ben May is just like gonna be 51-50 I don't yeah so I felt bad about that so that made me feel something I also was curious so did Venestra know about soul this whole time

or because she has a disability well no I know I don't think so because she's like because she said something along the lines of like oh it's you how you're still alive or something like that i thought she said something along those lines when she first yeah about her about chimier but it just she feels like she has this ability to replay yes the moments right but then she didn't feel like anything of soul's story was a lie right i don't know it doesn't that was confusing but i mean like i said from the beginning. I thought it was a good ending for what we were given. Yeah. And that it's not like I'm like pissed about it. Yeah. But I just amazed like, yeah, I'll, I'll, I'll wipe my memory to let you do what you wanted to do. She wanted to be a Sith their whole life. Like, what? That may want to be good. Right. Like, or Oshu wanted to be good. Like, why does she want to be bad now? Yeah. It's, um, why? Why? Why? Why?

A lot of it doesn't make sense But why didn't the two of them just go Kymir? But this is what I want you guys to explain to me though too Because now we get back to I can't explain anything That's fair Venestra goes in she has this conversation

She realizes that the memory's been wiped Whatever it may be She talks to May They have the same conversation This is the one I'm like We're just It's like they keep repeating The same bits

May literally or Vanessa tells her The same story that we've heard 87 times about how Saul killed her mother and this and her sister. Yeah, go ahead, Mike. But I'm confused because he wiped her mind, but she's like, I remember a fire, a man. Wipe her, make her a vegetable, and she got to start over.

Like, what are you doing with the seeds of it? Well, so second season, she can go back and hunt him down? Is that where we're going to go with her? I don't know. But so she, now, now I need to be explained to Venestra side of it because, so Venestra now decides that she's going to lie to all these people. trying to protect the Jedi Order, I guess, or what is she trying to do?

She completely lies about Saul and says that Saul was a, was rogue and is that to protect the Jedi order? What did you read out of this? She's bad, like, what, what does you read out of this, that? Yeah, I think it was to protect the, what she thought would be protecting the Jedi order because if they had known that they okayed Saul doing this, then their whole,

thing would have been their whole cover would have been blown and the Senate's clearly already on to them that they think this is a little messed like what they're doing is a little extreme. Steph to what you said earlier and how you know you saw people saying that we people don't

understand if they have questions about it. That's the problem with this show. If from the beginning in the first episode we got the Jedi was under fire from the Senate for you guys are overstepping. We don't like this and throughout it we got that senator coming in going, oh you're just sending people on a mission those people you just sent the 20 people where are they

they didn't make it back instead of at the eighth hour you drop a guy and they're going the senate doesn't like what you're doing you're under fire what's going on and then they get like make it the whole episode the whole season of the Jedi are coming at it from both sides of like right so every decision that she makes you could see them going what are you doing but mike that's my point my point is they spent too much time on this damn story with the twins that they weren't able to do that. We don't understand the nuance of the Jedi. Right.

No, it's just shitty writing. It's terrible. It's terrible, terrible writing. Terrible writing. And with this tidbits of stuff that could have worked, because then you have the senator who was like, okay, you, I don't know if I necessarily believe you, but you're telling us this, it is a rogue, okay, fine.

And then you have the hairy mole, whatever that thing, is just kind of snit, looking out and saying, all right. And then you see that she burnt up, Saul. Give him some respect, but say you're basically going to be the Lee Harvin. of you Oswald here, pal, sorry. So we jump then to, it says you're basically going to be the big scapegoat here.

So there she goes. She looks at him and burnt him on fire. And then we jump to now May, who is, again, just from this shot alone, what they're, or not May, sorry, OSHA, what they're trying to give like us, we don't, Mike, you said it before.

They tried to shoot this show. By the time, after she kills Saul, like we're supposed to care about these twins. I wanted them both to be arrested. I wanted them to be thrown away without the key. I don't like them. I didn't like them beforehand. I like them even less now. Horrible. They are horrible. Horrible people. I don't care if they bonded. I don't care. I don't care about them at them at all. They just brutally murdered this guy who was trying to protect him. Yeah, he made a bad decision. He shouldn't have done what he did. He felt miserable about it. He was trying to make up for it. And she just choked him out, murdered him and it's like okay if you you and you can all you don't you like shows like breaking bad and

I was always like look when you're watching uh walter white you're like eventually this guy's gonna get it you know and there's certain things that he's doing and you're like but I didn't like this person I didn't like me I didn't like ocean especially because the way the show whether he was right or wrong at least we cared for Saul yes we saw he was conflicted we saw the weight on him you know but no my ocean I don't care about it. I don't want to see you again. You're bad people.

No, then Kymer and her are clearly going to have some kind of thing. And then obviously. A little twilight thing going on here. Something like that. And then Plagueis is apparently probably looking more to kill off Kymir and then recruit her. And then eventually, you know, he's...

Why? Kimear's great. Because he probably, because he's a badass and he's good. He's not a virgins in the force. He doesn't have... He can find now. Now Plagis can find the way to create life and he'll find out through her, which I think is just...

So silly. So they end, you think they're going to end here, and it didn't, but instead they end here, which is like, here's Venetra, she walks in, she goes, master, we have a problem. This goes, and then you see the back of Yoda's head. And it's like this cheap pop thing that they were looking to try to get. And it, to me, I'm like, it's the same thing Mike just said about the senator. Why in the world is Yoda not your first phone call? If it's like, hey, the Senate is breathing down our next year, master, we have something going

on. Let me bring this to you. There might be a virgins in the force. You call him after the meeting? He should have been the one giving the presentation. Or you don't show him at all because now he's complicit. Depending on what you told him. And for 100 years, he's kept it quiet. Yoda, the one guy throughout the entire Star Wars saga that were like, he's a good dude. He's always had the best interests of heart of everybody. Like, oh, he's now complicit. and he's going to lie to everybody, don't put him in there, just like you don't put Kiadi Mundi in there

for a cameo because it made no sense. No, Yoda shouldn't have been in this show. And Plague shouldn't have been in the show. And it's like, so this is the question that I asked on both my out of the theater, my immediate reaction and my reaction.

And I'll start with Steph. Not should there be. Will there be a second season of the accolet? No. Why? Because it got, so much criticism in a way that wasn't just Star Wars super fans. If you look at screen rant, IGN, variety, like, I look at all of their reviews and they all are,

like, there's huge cracks in this show. And no one seems to be yearning. I mean, there's a small group, I'm sure, who really likes it, or a group that likes it. And, but I, I don't think that it got enough popularity for it to get a second season with the money spent. Well, yeah, there's no world where they do a second season for 170. That's a guarantee. Mike, I know your answer of should there be, but will there be a season two? No. Why?

Look at what's gotten seasons, extra season so far. Mando took off and everyone loved Mando. And like, Book of Boba Fett, there was. no talk of season two. Obi-Wan, which is Ewan McGregor back in the role with Hayden Christensen. No talk of that. They're like, and Obi-Wan was a lot cheaper than this show.

Yeah, and it had the name of U.M. McGregor, Obi-Wan, that again, get a second season. Asoka, they're talking about it, but it's probably going to be into the movie. They already said Osoka Season 2 is happening. That's happening. That's happening. Yeah. There's no way season 2 happens.

It just, and I think because the shake-up with Disney realizing, with Marvel and their Star Wars properties like, oh, we went too far, we got a scale back. This was already going. Yeah. That's Chepec Greenlit. Yeah. What's up? Well, I thought, no, maybe, I think Iiger originally greenlit

it and then Chepec shepherded it or whatever. Yeah, I don't see biscuit in the second season at all. Now I'm going to start with what I told you guys not to say first. I don't think it should have a second season because of everything you guys just said. And I don't know what the ratings have been.

it hasn't crossed over to mainstream for sure there's people like the mainstream audience in the way that the mainstream audience picked up season one season two of mandolarian yeah yeah that's what saying like you have to look at the taking taking if we like it out of the equation if you think it's bad written did it move the needle in their streaming numbers for 170 million dollars to bring in new people right if not then what are you doing well and that's where i can say that what i'm nervous about though is the idea of, because I do think Lucasfilm does this more so, and I think that there are, as we know, there is also groups that are just going to hate everything.

It doesn't matter if they make the best thing ever. There are going to be groups that just hate no matter what. And so Lucasfilm and Disney can say, well, yeah, they're just hating it and they're just going to hate it no matter what they have this thing, so you really can't take it seriously. But if they group in everybody, even people who are legit,

Like, we're not, people will, people will say the difference. People will different, will not agree with me on this one and say that we are haters of this show. We just didn't like this show. We want Star Wars to be good. We want, we want Skeleton Crew to be good. And if it's, if it is, we'll say so much. I'm not a proud of this, but this is the first show, and I've said this before, where I've seen the group of Star Wars fans were like Disney's ruining Star Wars. Like I saw, like, I had no problem with Sabine and being a powerful Jedi and the things, the choices they made in that show.

But this was the first one. I'm kind of like the decisions that were made behind the scenes and that were allowed to be made by the creatives on the show by Disney. I'm just like, it didn't make any sense. There was just no pushing the whole May storyline. I was like, what are you doing? It's just, I don't know. I'd like to find out the real story. Because you hear conflicting things that, because when this show was announced,

of what it was ultimately supposed to be about, like the idea of the first infiltration of the rule of two and the Sith and building up to that and the ideals of Revin and Bain and all. Like, that's the thing that, remember, Steph, you and I were like, oh, if they do that show, sign me up. Is Revan and Bain canon?

Bain is canon. He was mentioned in one of the Clone Wars episode. Mark Hamill actually voiced like a hologram. Yoda had a scene with him. I believe Revin was, was made canon in a book, like as far as I mentioned, people can correct me if I'm wrong on that one. It was after my time of reading the books, but I think. But enough so that they could have made him canon. They could have made the lore canon and the idea of the infiltration leading into

the Plagueist thing. They just, I will say it until I'm blue in the face and I'll say it one more time. For anybody, there's no world where Lucasfilm has ever been paying attention to this show. but if they were, you literally can turn around and there's someone in the office that has these books by these great writers, whether it's Claudia Gray, whether it's James Lucerne, whether it's, you know, there's Alexander Freed, there's all these different authors who have done so much great novels. You have these novels. Turn them into miniseries, turn them into movies get great screenwriters to adapt these books you have it you have the great writing use it why aren't you using it i don't understand i don't understand they'll never use it yeah anyway

all right mike tell them where to find you you know i have mike klanowski step what you got going on at sub suburb on the world girls for me apple podcast spotify anywhere podcasts are found as i mentioned we have a great interview with robert eyler from the sopranos i'd love for you to come check it out, drop a comment over there. We're on Apple Podcasts. We're on Spotify. A lot of great things going on over here. Thank you for joining us here as always. Appreciate you. For Steph Sabraa, Mike Kalinowski, we'll see you later. Bye.