The Kristian Harloff Show - The Acolyte Season 2 Not renewed by Disney yet. Will It Return or Is It Over?

Episode Date: July 22, 2024

The Acolyte was a very divisive Star Wars show, to say the least. Will the show get a second season? An official report says there has not been a renewal yet. But what does that mean for the future of the series? Is this standard procedure, or is it unlikely for a renewal? Twisters cleans up at the Box Office! Can it stop the storm of Deadpool and Wolverine coming up this week? The New Jurassic World gets a title. Join us for this and more on the live edition of The Big Thing with Kristian Harloff and John Rocha. We'll dive into Star Wars news, box office updates, Marvel movie battles, and the latest in Jurassic World developments. Don't miss out on the latest entertainment news, film analysis, and expert insights!

The acolyte, not getting renewed for season two? Or they said nothing renewed yet. That hasn't happened. So what's that mean? Is it standard? Well, we'll discuss that. Twisters, kick in ace in the box office has done significantly better than people thought it would. So much more.

Deadpool and Wolverine coming out this weekend. I'm going to see it tonight. But all that and more on today's show. It is the big thing. Let's get to it, everybody. Live. Here we go. What's up, everybody?

Welcome back. It's the big thing. Oh, it's me, Christian Harloff. I hope you guys are doing good here today on this Monday. So here's what we're going to do. Because I've tried this before, this program through Stream Yard. And what I'm going to do now is I'm going to try to bring in John Roka.

And there he is. Now, here's a question. Can you, hold on a second. Hold on a second. Can you guys hear John? I'm trying to, let's, I'm trying to see if you guys, if they can hear you. So they'll, they'll tell you in a second if they can hear you and if. And if that's the case, so they can't hear them.

All right. So again, they can't, they can't do it. So hold on a second, John. I've sent you that stream yard. why don't you join join through stream yard again if you can all right all right john's going to join through stream yard um and he'll be in just a second so do you have sound you have you guys should have sound on me so hold on a second and here we go so we are just going to be waiting for i don't know why it is for some reason this program can't pick up his sound and i don't understand what it is but you

I should be able to hear my sound for sure. And John's coming in in a moment. It will just do it that way. And here he is. So John Roca is here. I don't know what it is. It's so weird for some reason, this program. I don't know why.

But like it doesn't, it won't do it, which sucks because it's such a good, it's such a good setup. So there's audio on me and not on you. I got to figure out what is. And I want to see also if it's you or if it's other people too. I haven't actually tried it. I've only tried it with you. So, no. Okay.

How's it going, man? Good, man. How are you? How are your things? Good. Just trying to get everything, you know, set up the studios finally. It's pretty good working capacity. Yeah. Anything big happen this week? I don't know. And I was at the pool club when I heard it. Was it a pool club? How about that? So some reason they said your audio is is low.

I don't know why. Well, I'll try it up. That's good. How about it? Better? Should be. Okay. So we have tons of stuff to talk about, man. And I think that the first thing that we'll just kind of get into immediately. And by the way, if people are brand new to the channel, you've never been here before, subscribe to the channel, trying to get the 200,000 subscribers.

We're on Apple Podcasts, we're on Spotify, or everywhere podcasts are found. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to bring up this story here about the Acolyte. Yeah, I don't know if you've heard this or not, John, but the Acolyte. So what they said was that there's no word on the Acolyte. renewal is what this article on dark horizon says okay and it's essentially with star wars the acolyte having wrapped in the show it does not yet have a renewal order now that's not unusual as disney's likely taking his time to see the full season's numbers before making a decision lucas film didn't officially renew last year's a soka series until several months after it aired so it's not unusual

now speaking with eW this weekend leslie headland was asked if she had heard anything in terms of second season being grinlit she said nothing and proceeded to make a zero sign with her hands She added that she doesn't, wait, excuse me, she added that she doesn't mind if she's still decompressing from launching the first season. She said, you'll have to take a break, especially after something like this. I don't even know how many years my brain has been going. Star Wars, Star Wars, Star Wars, Acoly, Acklead, Acklead, Ackyte, just constantly solving problems, constantly thinking about it. It's very weird to now be in a place where I don't need to do that. I always say to budding writers, the most important thing that you can do is sit around and do nothing because the second you start to manufacture a story, you're going to get stressed out and the story can't.

start that way. And one thing she will tease is that the second season will likely see more of the Republic Senate after David Harwood's skeptical Senator Ravencorp playing a key part in the finale, to which the interview interviewer then said, why wasn't that the whole show? No, he didn't. A generation or two generations I've gone by since the Neal, there was a lot of drama. So it was just logical to me that there would be more of this button down idea, trying to avoid the mistake, let's some of the power, let's do that before someone asks us to. And it was just logical to me to show Venestra as the bridge for that. The finale also revealed the connection between

Venestra and Quiet Chimer and Headland says that they can continue. We'll see more of Vern's history with the stranger and how that's affecting the decisions she's making. Yeah, John, you and I haven't really discussed this show since the finale.

I mean, again, I say, I don't want to sound like a hater here because I just didn't like the show, but like, I want the show to go away. I don't I don't want to see a season two of this show. Who wants to see a season two of the show except like maybe 25%? Yeah, I think it's all like what they were talking about, the numbers. Like they got to take a look at the numbers because right, it's about it's a supply

and demand situation, always in entertainment. No matter what anyone tries to tell you about art and all that stuff, fine, but it's always supply and demand. Is there enough of a demand? Did the views go up? Did the finale nail it for people to be excited about it? And I would argue that a majority of it was not a, uh, uh, did not accomplish what it was supposed to accomplish in order to get people excited for a season

two remember the end of season one of the mandolian people were pumped desperate everybody was talking about it every no one no like outside of the the the geekdom kind of fandom no one's talking about and look at this this is something i pulled the other day yeah this was the top 10 streaming that came out after the finale bridgeton your honor the boys house of the dragon bluey blueie gray's anatomy Criminal Minds NCIS family guy Bob Burgers the finale of Act Light nowhere to be found yeah nowhere to be found in the top that's hard and your honor is like an old show like that was back it it pushed it pushed back into Netflix and now it's coming out right but and now people are finding it again but it's like no one it's like this show is it just didn't hit and it's like

a 180 million dollars you're gonna make a season two i don't now normally i think the article is correct that just because you don't have a renewal right away it doesn't mean that you're not getting a season two but if it was this big major massive hit a lot of times they go yeah we want this show we want it back and there's doing a season two we're excited the so common one was different because it was a matter of planning out when the next movie was coming out or what philoni was doing and it was more than that i i think this is a sign that this show is not coming back i think so too a hundred percent and this is all brand saving you know what leslie saying in these interviews it's all brand saving because if they gave her a second, she'd be like, yes, I'm already on it.

I'm already like, let's go. I've written a bunch of episodes. Yes, she's got storylines that she's mapped out. But, you know, I think people overall, from what I sense and what I see, and I don't mean just in the dark, I don't mean the dark corners of anger. I mean, like legitimate people who looked at this and analyzed you and I, other people that I know and respect whose opinion, it just didn't hit. It just was a mishmash of unrealized potential.

and there were some interesting things, but the execution just wasn't strong enough. And that finale felt like it landed like a thud for a lot of people of what it led to. And then the teasing of all of this stuff and the unresolved storylines, it felt like they just kind of yanked you along and purposely kept things in the dark.

It's not in a way that's artistic or organic or feels interesting. It's more a matter of like convenience. And fans can sense that, or I'm sorry, viewers can sense that, irrelevant of fans, viewers can sense that. And that was at the end of the day, I think this was just a kind of a Frankenstein-esque type of show

and because too many cooks were in the kitchen. And in the end, it didn't satisfy anybody overall or didn't satisfy enough people overall for it to warrant a second season. And if they announced a second season, I feel like that would be stubborn of them. Like, we're going to make you like this. And I think that's not what you want to do right now with the way the Star Wars fandom is.

so precariously perched on the edge here. When you've got all these movies that you want people to go see, and you've got a skeleton crew, which, from what I'm hearing, is not good, not testing the best. Oh, come on, come on. And I'm not saying that officially. Like I'm saying that officially. I'm just saying that from what I've heard from the sources that I know,

that skeleton crew is possibly not testing the best. I'll tell you what. When it comes to the box office, I'm not listening to the word you say, but when it comes to, when it comes to stories, you know things, what you shouldn't.

When it comes to stories, I'm going to listen to you, because you're the one, look, last week, and I said it, I said it, I said there's no chance.

The Russo will come back, and you go, I don't know. I don't know. You knew something, by the way. Yeah. You knew something.

About the Russo's? Yeah, you knew something. You're full of it. It just seemed logical. It just seemed logical. You heard something, and that's fine. I've done the same thing.

So it's, but either way. So you had, you could, if you wanted to, you could have, you could have wrote me in for a bet there. You could have taken, you know, you could have taken me out. You could, you were adamant. You were adamant. I just, well, I believe those reports. I believe those reports that they were offered and didn't want to come back or, or that

they wanted to and Marlowe didn't want them to come back. But clearly, that's not the case. But when it comes to this, though, yeah. Let me restate my point a little more clearly. Sure, sure. Looking at the message here. right from what i'm hearing from a couple of my sources about skeleton crew about skeleton crew that people behind the scenes are concerned over skeleton crew and that star wars may take a break

for making star wars live action tv series for the entirety of 2025 because they have nothing in development besides assoca season two which from what this source is hearing they are way behind schedule on and no scripts have been written for asoka season two so there may be a large amount of time before we see another Star Wars show after and or see not Asoka and or season two comes out so that's what they're saying to me and this is the person who uh told me everything that was going to happen in a quiet place day uh day one a year before the film came out and so this person yeah interesting credibility i'm sure that they i'm sure it's legit and i think that it makes sense and i think that it's more so where look this is also a possibility is that they're so

panic that they can't, that everything that they do, no one is, they can't get the fan base behind them. Yeah. And they're like, okay, well, this, maybe their, maybe Skelton crew is good. And they're panicking because they don't think it's good. And their tastes are not great. Or it's just not good, you know, either way. But then you have that and then Asoka being behind the schedule makes total sense. It's, it's, it's, it is, it's the same thing. It's like this panic mode thing that they do. They go into panic mode and they put things off the side and they don't put movies because they're not they don't have they don't have the right structure the right team they're not making the right stuff so they continue to think well why isn't this working it's like this is i don't know if we said this already on the air again but i say it to you and if we're reiterating or saying it for the first time on air i don't know i just have these conversations all the time i can't remember if they're on air or not

I just think that what should be done with Lucasville is them saying, okay, here's what we're going to do. Let's hire for the next five years, a strong team that, they're all going to, everybody in this five year team is going to map out this story. From start to finish and inside of that, we're going to put, we're going to map out timelines and things that we're going to do. And where we want to go from this point, if it's in the new after, if it's during the Ray era, we're making those stories to this is what's happening. And that's our design. And then if we're doing, oh, Republic stories, that's our design. That's where we're going to go. Let's map out, you know, full on treatments and all that.

And then once we're done with that and we have ideas, now what we need to do is let's bring in directors and say, hey, this is what we want to do. What do you think? Do you want to do that? And they go, oh, well, yeah, but can I instead of not, can I do something completely different and then instead want to do my version and do this instead? No, that's not what we're doing. But I want to make my version the way Ryan Johnson and Leslie Headland did theirs. No, we're not doing that. We're actually, we're doing our story in the way that Marvel didn't phase one, two, and three.

We want to hear your take, and we want your actual design on it. We want creative ideas. Like, well, actually, you know, when I was reading this script, and instead of that, is it possible that they can do that? Yeah, we never thought about that. That would be great. We'd love to bring you on. That's why we brought you on. And to bring these people in the way that they did for years.

When I was a Warner Brothers, when I was working at Joel Silver's company, they had a script. They said, hey, so-and-so, we had this script. What would you do with it? Well, can I change it completely? No, but you can do this. We'd like to have your idea and do that and direct it and do that for Star Wars instead of saying, oh, yeah, you want to do this about this? Sure, go ahead, do that.

Then it doesn't make any sense to what we just did there. But hell, we'll make a real statement here. And it's like, what are you doing? What are you doing? Yeah, I don't, I want to walk carefully into this minefield because I have not been on the get rid of Kathleen Kennedy bandwagon. That has never been something I believed in because you look at the, and the amount of money they're making and you say you know financially it has been a success

artistically is a whole other conversation right but financially it has been a success but now we're seeing the this is like the end of michael bay the transformers right you could argue the first four films you made a billion dollars and that fifth film came out and that's finally where everyone's like okay we got to get him off the even the people in making the movies we're like we got to get him off the movies and he's still you know executive producer whatever But like, I think this combo now of Kathleen and Faloni, and it's just not working overall. Nope.

We just had somebody step down because a lot of people were sensing, hey, look, look at the numbers. The numbers aren't working. You got to go. And I think we're at that stage now. And again, I am not a person who was against Kathleen Kennedy or anything like that. And I am not a person, clearly you guys know me. I don't subscribe to the, oh, Star Wars is too woke.

woke has nothing to do with it. It's all about execution. Look at X-Men 97. There's no woker concept than that, and it killed. And so you've got to do it right. I got no problem with you wanting to make women the lead or people of color the lead or have more of them. Of course, I'm going to champion that. But you've got to do great writing.

You've got to have good direction. You've got to tell interesting stories. And so, look, you've got the Mandalorian, Pedro Pascal. He's a Latino. He's leading. Yes, he's under the mask, but you know it's Pedro. And he's leading it. And that's great.

The Mandalorian's been fantastic. Yeah, season three, whatever your feelings are on that. And look at Andor. Andor is the greatest thing. What's it led by Diego Luna? So, you know, you have these things that have been led by people of color, and it's okay. It's a matter of execution.

And I think the execution overall has been lacking when you look at now these TV series and the way they've come down. And if skeleton crew, by the way, you know, is led by Jude Law is the name above everybody else's. He's a white dude. But if and I know the crew is diverse, but if this comes out and it's kind of middling, then I don't know, then you've got to reevaluate everything, you know. And so I don't know what the pressure would have to be for them to sell Star Wars. I don't see Disney selling Star Wars.

They'd have to find new people to step in at some point and take it over. And until that happens, Christian, I think we're still going to keep seeing this over and over again. I couldn't agree more. And I think that the problem is it needs a complete facelift. The whole thing needs a face lift. It needs it. I mean, the best scenario. which will never happen, as I've said a million times over, is that it's just sold to Apple or something.

Like they sell Lucasfilm to Apple or whatever it might be. And, you know, same thing. Kathleen Kennedy will be able to produce somewhere else. I don't think she's a right fit for Star Wars and everything she was. I used to love Dave Flonie. I think he is a terrible fit for what he, to run the whole thing. I think he has one particular vision of what he thinks Star Wars is. Yeah.

And it has affected it tremendously in the writing. He's a very strong storyteller. He knows the characters. He knows Star Wars lore and he knows the essence of Star Wars like nobody else, but he's not a strong screenwriter at all. And there's a lot of different things that I think he blends in. I think he feels like he knows a little bit too much. And I think he bleeds it into other people's work. And I think it's affected it.

I think that, you know, and as you said, that combination together is not good. And I think that the acolyte is like, and I saw someone in the comments who said it was like, he's like, yeah, it wasn't terrible. It was, it was fine. It was mid. And I'm like, but that's not what they need. But that's not what they need right now. They need, in order to get bad,

we put a poll on the community post in this of who has the biggest future between DC, Marvel, and Star Wars. Star Wars isn't even in the conversation. It was like 4% or something out of like thousands of votes, not even in the conversation. And that's like, you would have never even imagine. In 2015, if you put that poll out, Star Wars probably wins it in 2015. Before the Force Awakens comes out,

he wins it. Um, so yeah, I'm with you. They need, I think I do think, even though the panic button, um, is being hit to say, like, let's not make any more shows here. Let's not do that. I think that's the right call. Right. Yeah. Until you figure out what the hell they're doing and stop wasting money and stop doing it because they're not going to do it. Like the stupidest thing in the world, John, as I've said it until anybody watching this show right now, here he goes again. And it's fine. I'll reiterate it again. They have these books. They have. tons of books written by wonderful authors that they could get screenwriters in to adapt it. And you've got six episodes series.

You've got movies that you could make out of them. I mean, instead of this ridiculous, Darth Plague is peeking around the cave like a weirdo, you know, in a school yard. He could be, he could be, he instead, he could wind up doing that novel that they could have done. They could have adapted that into six parts. And they could have introduced new elements to it to get more of a protagonist from a, a Jedi in there because there's some in there. And you could have told that story instead of whatever the hell this thing was. Yeah. And I think this is what you bring up that I think is very on point, is that you have to have people who are in charge who understand how to accept that there are

different ways to tell stories, different visions, different versions of Star Wars that can exist. You know, I like Star Wars visions as a fun kind of else worlds type of thing that's cool. I like it as interesting. The books are fantastic as well. There's a lot of canon in there. That's interesting to explore the High Republic stuff. A lot of people love in those books. There are many different ways to do it. But when you go to the on-screen stuff, you've got to be open. This, this resistance to the and-or style of storytelling is such a mistake. Because you've got, I mean, this is where we're going as a society. It doesn't mean you can't have that series that comes in that is so you know, like, oh, yes, bring back the magic and the pew, pew and all of that.

I think that's great. But the public's taste is for the darker, heavier stuff. And that's where they need to go with the Star Wars brand, in my opinion, if they want to keep it going. I think that's what happened here with Ackleight, you know, from what I hear, the Faloni was involved with all this stuff and tried to make it more teeny, tried to make it more of that CW young adult type approach to Star Wars. And I think in the end, you've got a mishmash of styles. that didn't really work when I feel like Leslie was trying to tell a much darker story. Still could have had the young element, of course, when you cast someone like Amanda Lestdenberg, but it was missing it.

Look, you and I were Yankees fans. The Star Wars is the Yankees, not the Red Sox and not these other teams that occasionally bubble up. They're the Yankees. A mid-season of the Yankees is not acceptable to the fans. Right. Our goal is to win the World Series every mother-effing year. and we have the money to bring in talent to get us there.

There is no excuse. Disney has the money to bring in the talent. Easily. But the problem is I think that what they're doing, I think they think they're making these quality things. And like, yeah, it's, do you see the trailer for Dune, the new Dune? I mean, like that, like the TV show.

Yeah, the TV show. TV show looks like it's part of that universe. I saw it. I'm like, okay, I feel like it's part of Dune without even seeing an episode of it. You know, like I'm watching House of the Dragon. I'm like, okay, it's detailed. I understand that no matter what,

yeah, like I understood that, that even though it's years before any of the stuff I saw in Game of Thrones, it's part of the universe. Like I get it. I know it. I don't ever say like, oh,

this isn't feel like this is something completely. I don't feel like this. This is like CW. Yeah. And it's like they don't have like a clear cut vision of it. And it's because they need someone who's running the shop that says, no, no, no, no, we want to kind of make it feel more like.

And if you want to make it feel like the prequels, then make it feel the whole thing feel like the prequels if you want to make you feel like the original trilogy then everything should feel like the original trilogy it should all fit in stops shying away from the music because oh we can't have the john williams team we're making our own star wars here no it's star wars in the same way that when i'm watching house of the dragon the game of thrones team plays during the intro because you know it's it's like it's it's like they come up with this ridiculous stuff to do it but anyway it's it's whether it comes back or not it doesn't seem like it will and i and we're both on the same page and we're both on the same page and that it shouldn't. Yeah, and I want to address a commentary. Wish Dragon Prop says, I don't know where Roca keeps getting this idea about Faloni from. I get it from one of the writers

who spoke out loud about Faloni saying that he contributed to all the scripts and had notes on all the scripts, and then that writer had to take down their social media because they were getting bombarded by fans and people asking questions. And then you ask, what's the other part of this?

Headland has come out and straight talked about all our ideas and interviews. yes she has but she's also a part of the star wars machine so this idea that you guys go like zombies walking in to believe whatever they believe no you have to understand these are people who are brand saving they have to work around certain things they have to say certain things there's a contract that's involved there's certain things they can reveal and cannot reveal there's all kinds of stuff that goes on behind the scene stop looking at this like a polyana and that everything is everybody's pure and everybody said no people have this is a job this is a job

and people want to keep their jobs. People want to keep working at their jobs. And you're not going to go and crap on Star Wars and think that another franchise is going to give you a shot. That's not how it works. So I think Leslie played the political game really well. She's a smart woman and she wants to keep working. She's not going to out-Fillian.

But John, it also makes sense when you think about it. Like the people forget that when Flonio was announced as the head of creative. It was like eight months or a year after we already had the position is when it publicly came out. So of course he was given notes on it because that's the job you're supposed to do anyway at that point. You're supposed to do it. So it's like that's where it says.

Like they put him in charge of it. And he has a clear cut idea of what he thinks Star Wars is from being trained by George Lucas. And I think he just, I think he plays in that faster, you know, more intense thing. And I, it drives me crazy. It drives me crazy. And so I think that it's going to be one of these things where they're not going to be organized for quite a while. And season two won't come out. Asoka will. And it's, and it's also not a coincidence that Dave Filoni show is the show that gets a second season, even though people weren't raving about Asoka. Right.

It's so, you know, he's got, he's got pole over there. So either way, guys, what do you think, man? Uh, season two of the acolyte, is it something that should get a season and season two? You know, do you want to see it? That's the bigger question. I think that should be the main question. Do you want to see it? He's like, oh, you know, these other shows got one, why shouldn't it? But do you want to see it? Do you really care? I'm with John and the fact that they just kind of threw these ideas into the finale to try to get you to watch season two. And it's like, that's all they did. It didn't set any of that stuff up.

They just said, well, we want you to watch season two. And if you do want to see this stuff, Plague's, Yoda, watch. And you're like, no, you haven't earned that. Anyway, all right. It's a bummer. Hopefully, I mean, I just. It reminds me, like you said with the Yankees, it just reminds me, you know, from before, like, 90, 96. It was 95.

They were in the playoffs within the 95 year. In 94, 94, the freaking whole season went under. And it was in first place by a mile, then shut down. Well, they need to be in first place. I want to see the, I want to see Star Wars get back in the first place. I agree. Okay. Now, listen, before we move on, I am pretty excited to talk to you guys each and every week.

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you know the other thing that we were talking about we've been talking about all the time on mondays man is box office yeah we and I talk box office all of the damn time and man twisters delivered and then some huh what are you are you bragging that's me swinging around a twister i i'm excited for them doing well for glen pal and daisy edgar jones man that's a good thing what you think about the movie huge dumps i didn't get to see the movie really i had plans yesterday let me tell you something i had plans yesterday for cobra kai season six i was going to spend the first day or part of the day watching that and then i was going to see a four o'clock showing of twisters But what happened? Something big happened yesterday and I went live for two hours.

That was the end of my day because then I had to watch House of the Dragon do my reaction video, which is going to come up tomorrow and the review to do. We're going to come later. So I couldn't get a chance to see, but I am going today. And I'm going to see COBRA Kai today. Well, maybe it's COBRA Kai tomorrow because we got dead bull run. So I want to see Twisters today, though. I hear good things. I like Twister. I like Twisters. I thought it was a really fun summer movie.

And I said, this movie is going to do well. Well, this movie is going to do well. And boy, did it ever, because it was, it was just tracking to do. When we look at, we, we talked about it on the show the other day. Yeah. And we were talking about it when Rocks was on it. And what it was tracking at, it was tracking it like, oh, it was like 55 million or something domestically is what it was tracking for. Yeah.

And so it was like, okay, maybe it'll get close to, I think it was like 80 or 90 million for the week or a weekend or for globally. and went up being a big, huge hit. Twisters is blowing a gale at the box office and domestically has beaten all expectations to deliver an 80.5 opening weekend in the third biggest of the year between Inside Out and Dune Part 2. Internationally, it's doing strong,

but it is more of an F3 and an F5, with the film taking in 27.1 from 76 territories, having opened last week in some countries, the film has now done 123-million worldwide to date. I think it was scheduled to do like, to 100 and it did 123. The film's biggest markets outside the U.S. have been the UK with 5.5, Mexico, 2.5, Australia, 2 and France at 1.9, where it didn't fare well was China, made only 1.5 million in China. The film reportedly came in on a budget of 155. It's pretty expensive,

I think, for that movie, but still, that doesn't include the marketing and P&A spend, not including the many millions in global marketing efforts. Universal has the film domestically and Warner's is handling the overseas release. Universal and Illuminations, Despicable Me for meanwhile has generated 574 million globally so far, with the film taking a further 23.8 million domestically and 52 million internationally. Pixar's Inside Out, still in cinemas and pulled another 12.8. That's crazy. And 34.2 million overseas, bringing its domestic total to 596. So far, it's worldwide right now, John, at 1.44 billion. Wow. Yeah. rounding out the top.

top five were long legs with 11.7 and a quiet place day one with 6.1. So obviously I would tell you, John, I think that for you, the big standout would be what, would be twisters, right? Overperforming? Yeah, overperforming. I, you know, I joked that they could make a billion dollars, but in no way that I think that it was going to do as well as it did right off of that. And it over formed by like 20 million or something. It's a massive thing. So all these people who are signaling the death of the box office, what do you say now? Like, it's the thing that you look at here. It's just, this stuff is so unpredictable.

It's so organic. You've no idea what's going to connect. Daisy Eger Jones has never led a multi-million dollar making film. And Glenn Powell just recently did that with anyone, but you and of course was part of the ensemble for Top of the Maverick. So this is another, like, feather in Glenn Powell's cap. This is a positive reaction from the fans who want summer movies. like this in the summer. And so I'm happy to see it. And a majority of the reviews have been positive.

Yeah, well, I think the other side of that is what you said before when we were talking about, you know, Star Wars is that it's not, it's not just that people want to go to the movies. They want to watch stuff and they want to like it. And they want to have fun with it. And they want to like this, the movie to me was because I never like, I thought that the first movie, people love the first twister. I love it. Right. They worship that. It's a, it's a fun summer movie. I mean, my wife loves that movie. And it's fine. And I'm like, I don't know if I really need to see a sequel. It's not really even a sequel, to be honest.

It just has tornadoes in it, just like the other one. It's not a sequel. And it's, but that's, they use the name. They use the IP. They don't try to pretend that it's a direct sequel. They don't try to like, it's not false advertising. It's like, yeah, these are people who have now are doing the same thing. And they really design it around Daisy Edgar Jones, who I was not very familiar with.

I think she's fantastic. Yeah. Yeah, she's great. And it's like, it's just a nice, it's just a nice. summer old school kind of movie. I enjoyed watching it. It wasn't cheesy, which I thought it was going to be, and it could have been. I think the last five minutes were cheesy,

and that's what I thought the film was going to be for the whole time. I went up digging in, and I was like, okay, yeah, that's, I can understand why a movie like that would do well, because it's one of those things where you go, because it does use the old IP, but then you go and you say, you know what I saw, but I heard, you know, someone so say that the Twisters is pretty good. I literally heard someone say that yesterday when I was sitting around I overheard someone's conversation.

They're like, oh, Twisters. Yeah, someone said it was really good. And this is the one thing I will tell you about where I live now, but I actually love about it is that because when you're living in L.A., you hear conversations about movies all the time, and it's usually everybody in the business, and they're all in the bubble. Yes. Here I am, this is the average person going to movies who don't know about these things.

When I hear these conversations, I'm like, oh, they're talking about this. It is in the zeitgeist of just other people, normal people talking. And that was very interesting to see the conversation revolving around this film. Yeah. I'm happy to see it happening. And I hope Hollywood takes the right lessons from it, though, number one with all of this. And realizes, hey, there's, you know, let's not take it too seriously. Let's have some fun. And let's cast up-and-coming actors that are going to make their bones on a film like this and get people excited about it.

And it appeals like Top Gun Maverick, to be honest, it appeals across the board. Yeah. It's not, you know, just like it's not a left film or a right film. It's a film that people can understand and relate. Tornadoes have no political party. So it's just a matter of they attack. And so you've got to stop them. And you add in some human element to Daisy Edgar Jones's story, her character,

that keeps you attached to it to see if she's going to get some kind of closure with it. So, yeah, just smart all around. Smart all around. All right, moving on to the next subject here, and that is Jurassic World, man. Looks like we're getting a new title, perhaps. Oh, the currently in production next Jurassic World film

looks to be called Jurassic World Rebirth, according to World of Real. Amblin Entertainment has reportedly filed several new trademarks under that title, including multimedia products, physical merchandise products, clothing, soaps, and beauty products, toys, and action figures, food products, and more.

The title fits with this semi-reboot of the franchise, which takes place after the events of Dominion and revolves around new characters, locations, and dinosaurs. Gareth Edwards directs the film from a script by original Jurassic Park Scribe David Keph. The stack cast, Scarlett Johansson, Maharshal Ali, Rupert friend, Jonathan Bailey, David Akiano, Luna Blaze, and Manuel Garcia, Rolfo. A month-long shoot took place in Thailand, starting mid-June. Production has now moved to Malta. for at least two months before heading to the UK for another month. Project aims to wrap mid-October. Frank Marshall, Patrick Crowley produced a film, which is set for July 2nd, 2025 release. I am going to say something here that I know you are not going to echo.

Okay. I'm actually excited for this film. You are? I am. Do you know why I am excited for this film? Please. Because it has the opportunity to do what I was always hoping they were going to do with Terminator. Okay.

The movie's going to be big, obviously, the Jurassic Park movie as far as budget go. It's going to be a big movie. But they have an opportunity to scale it and make it not just cotton candy. They can actually put some depth into this thing. And by bringing Gareth Edwards on board with this and looking at the tone as we're, again, bringing into the conversation we had to start this show, instead of doing this fluff Star Wars stuff and we want them to do kind of like a Dune or a Game of Thrones thing, that's ultimately what should happen with any of these. tired franchises that have just been beaten to death. And yes, you can make the argument that the difference of Jurassic World is these things are keep, they keep making a billion dollars.

Yeah. But you keep the validity of the franchise alive if you make them good. And if you can say this is the best one since the first one, who doesn't want that? Who doesn't want that? And I think with this cast, and it's not, they're all very talented. Yeah. They're not, you know, $10, $15 million actors. that they're going to blow their budget on the acting.

They have Scarlett Johansson, who's like the big franchise actor, and Mahershal Ali, another very talented actor, but then the rest are just really capable actors. And let the dinosaurs be the stars in the movie. So that's why I have hope. Maybe I'm an idiot,

but I am, I'm actually excited for this one. Yeah, I mean, the title is it a little on the nose, but whatever, it fits, rebirth has multiple meanings. Yep. So you can make it work. But yeah, I hear you.

I think I, you know, I'm with you in that. I'm willing to give it a chance. I just have been burnt by so many of these. But you just never know if this is the right combo. And then we're going to get another fun Jurassic Park movie. Because I don't like to hate the Jurassic World movies, but I just don't like them at all. They don't entertain me.

And there is someone who's balancing me in the universe who hates the Transformers movies from Michael A but loves these movies, even though in my opinion they're both equal in terms of ridiculousness and stupidity and quality. It's just that for some people, those Jurassic World movies speak their language. For me, these Transformers Michael Bay movies speak my language. But like this, I hope this one has, I hope this one recaptures the fun and the magic of it all, but also brings some of the slight darkness that's always on the edges of these Jurassic World movies about people who want to create this kind of stuff, about how,

science out of control, how man cannot control science and things that they, in their arrogance that they can. And what is, what is going to be Scarlett Johansson's role? Is she a scientist? Is she someone who is kind of brought upon like Bryce Dallas Howard was, yanked into the situation who had no idea of what was going to happen? And so I'm very curious, you know, so I think it's going to be interesting. See, and I was a big fan of the creator in terms of the film itself, the the direction of it and the look of it was incredible, but the overall film and the story didn't quite hit me. So I'm hoping this is Gareth,

like bringing the better parts of his nature, because I liked his Godzilla into this particular film. Yeah, I really did like the creator, but I think that we're both, we're both in agreement that the thing with the, with the creator, what he did very well was that he was able to use a budget of, whatever it was, 80, 90 million.

Yeah. 80 million dollars to make it look like a 200 million dollar movie. Yeah. Like that is what was the really exciting thing for me and why I think that if he has, you know, a little bit more than that to make this, what's he going to be able to do? He's not,

I do like when directors are limited, though. I like when they're limited on budget because it means you got to, you got to push him a little bit more. And I think that that's what happened with him. And that's why I really dug that film. But who knows, but,

all right, we got one more story before we jump into your questions. Okay. And we have, we have a, we have a good story here, John. This is a, this Spider-Man movie. Yeah. There's more. I got some stuff on this, but go ahead.

Oh, all right. Good, good, good, good. All right. So maybe we'll get to actually break a freaking scoop on here for me. I don't know. I don't know about that, but we'll see. Joe and Anthony Russo are seemingly returning to the Marvel fold for the upcoming fifth Avengers movies.

Don't expect the same of John Watts. Watts directed the three entries in the Tom Holland-led Spider-Man trilogy. and now Kevin Feige revealed that the writers on the film are going to be delivering us a draft relatively soon and so a director will likely be sought. However, Feigey was asked by CinemaBland if Watts is staying with the franchise to which the Marvel Chief said no because of Watts's schedule. He said we love John. John did three of the best Spider-Man films ever for us. He's got lots of things going on.

So we'll probably be looking for somebody else just because he's busy. And Watts has two major projects already shot and due out this year. the George Clooney and Brad Pitt led crime comedy film Wolves and the new Star Wars TV series Skeleton crew. All right, John, you say you got something. We got it's, from what I'm hearing from my source, they are telling me that they are going to announce Spider-Man 4 at Comic-Con.

Makes sense. Which, of course, is not a big. But that they tell me that Justin Lynn, has been banging on the door to direct this new Spider-Man movie. And that Marvel is hesitant to go with him, considering, you know, the stuff that's happened in the past with the, with the other.

So I think this is an interesting decision to have Justin Lin possibly in the mix, but I also understand why Marvel might hesitate. But the fact that he's even, remotely possibly in consideration tells me that it sounds like they want to go slightly more actiony than we've seen in previous Spider-Man film. So what are your thoughts on that? I don't like I don't like it. I like Justin Lin, but not for Spider-Man. I think

it goes back to the same conversation we just had about Jurassic World. I think that for me, even though Spider-Man is still kicking ass as far as box office goes, the silly, silly report where I mean, I believe it's true that Sony wanted to do this big action multiverse movie. And then Marvel is like, no, we want to do a more grounded street level Spider-Man to kind of let it play into what we're doing with Daredevil and everything else too. That's the route I like to see. I like to see a little more detail. You just left this with the fact that this guy lost his, everybody doesn't know who he is anymore. And he's got to figure his way out. He's in the city trying to figure out how to be Peter Parker, how to be Spider-

man and it's that class he we haven't seen tom holland get to do that yet we saw garfield do it we saw mcguire do it we never saw holland do it he was just thrown into the multiverse he's thrown into the avengers right away and like let's see that story so i don't know if justin lind's the guy to do that if they're even going to do that and if they bring him on it means they're probably not going to do that yeah and so that's why i'd be like yeah i don't think so i'd like to see somebody else do that somebody else is really going to tear into the story and character that's what i think that all of the movies should start doing more of i know that it's spectacle i understand that it's spectacle but i think that if you dive deeper into character and really hone in on the story and try to make because people will go

you're trying to make oscar movies with comic book movies but it's like look at the dark night look at these movies that i've done this every movie in the same way that when stand-up comedians do rooms like when you go up oh well what do i care i'm there's only 10 people in the room i'm not going to do my best What are you talking about? You should be pretending that you should be performing as if there's 10,000 people in that room. And it's the same way that you make a movie, that you should make a movie, not just, oh, we'll get them to eat popcorn and spend money. No, aim for the Oscar. Go for it.

But every movie you do, if it's the freaking Smurfs, go for it. Go, you know, go for it. And that's what a lot of they never, a lot of Hollywood just doesn't do that because they just want to, we're just here to make money. And it's a business, of course. Yeah, but you can do both. And I hope that that's what they do with the Spider-Man. Yeah, because it's the most popular, you can arguably say it's the most popular Marvel character.

Yeah. So if there's any character that you could. Right. You could take a chance to make a film that could be in consideration for a best picture or an Oscar down the road. Why not Spider-Man? There's so much angst in Spider-Man. His connection with Uncle Ben, Aunt May now,

with the situation with Aunt May, rather, and the way they changed it for this particular version of Spider-Man, the fact that iM j doesn't know him now all the stuff that ended homecoming there's a lot of emotional territory that you can explore with him if you wanted to go the more artistic route with that spider-man so i'd be curious you know very curious yeah but on i mdb it's justin is it's somebody has added that he and pre-production for an untitled spider-man sequel as the director what do you guys think that's true i'm very curious to hear what everybody thinks about it we are going to get to your question i to see some de murdox said i i i disagree it's not flowing it's pablo you're talking about pavel hidalgo

please no paul what i mean he's he's still part of the creative team people worship that cowboy hat my god yeah but no but he's not but paula hidalgo is not is not he's not he was part of the team he doesn't even make as many statements as he used to he's still part of the like you know the when it comes to can and all that stuff but he's not he's not involved in in the films and TV talking about. At least that's what I think you're saying. Anyway, all right, we have a lot of, questions that came in here today. So we're going to get to all of them. And thank you so much. And the way, again, that it works for everybody, if you're brand new to the channel here. What we do is that we go through all the top news stories. And at the end of it, we take all your questions.

You guys have been putting them in there before we even on the air. So thank you for that. And you can keep putting them in there. We'll be here until the last one is read. So we'll get to all them. Before we even do that, I thank John for being on the show. and John, you know, a lot going on this week, man. What can they find in the channel? Yeah, you can always find me at the Roka says on Twitter and Instagram and TikTok on my YouTube channel, YouTube.com slash John Roka says. You know, we just did, we recorded our review for House of the Dragon last night's episode.

That'll be up at noon here on the channel as well. And then, of course, I've got like Christian Deadpool and Wolverine tonight. So my out of theater reaction will be up tonight. My non-spoiler review tomorrow, spoiler review later on. Plus, we'll have some geek buddies, Comic-Con stuff. the boys are coming down to go and visit that stuff. So you'll see it. Hot Mike will be on Wednesday.

Jedi Way is taking a little bit of a break now that Acolyde is done. But we got a lot of stuff coming on. And my new show, Spill the Tequila with me, Winston A. Marshall, our new episode dropped on Friday. Where we have a fun approach to all the topics that are going in pop culture, not just films and TV, but across pop culture. And my other new show that I'll be launching soon is called Roka's Reviews and Rumors. And some of the stuff that I tease today are the kinds of rumors that you will hear on this. show that might be true might come true but who knows might not come true but they're rumors i'm getting from sources so i thought i put them all in one place to have fun with that so that's

all happening on my channel and thank you christian for having of course of course um all right let's get to these questions you mentioned as far as deadpool goes yeah i'm going to see it tonight i'll tell you i do love i absolutely love going to see movies in the city i really do because even one of the things it takes me longer now the movie theater that was by my house in l.a was like a three or four minute drive. Now it takes me about from leaving here to go there about 45 minutes to an hour to go see the movie, right? Yeah, yeah. But I'm on a train and I'm listening to music and I'm doing my emails and I'm relaxed. I'm not screaming in Burbank, did it out of the way. You know, as I'm driving from here to Burbank and like the freaking, if I had to do those those Burbank screenings do, like my,

oh my God, the worst. Yeah. Oh my God. The worst. And so that is one thing. But what I'll tell you that I don't like is this is the second movie that this thing's starting at like 830. tonight for me and I'm going to be home and God knows. So, and I think that because they're doing the premiere at the same time, so whatevers. All right, here we go. Let's start with

this first one. Johnny Venerable. Following the reception of the acolyte, do you think that they opt to cancel the Ray film? I argue those sequel films did well largely because of the legacy characters. I think that the legacy characters definitely added into it

for sure to get them, to get people into the theater. But I think that Ray and the rest of them, they established themselves as characters. And those movies made a billion dollars. I do not think that that movie gets canceled. I think that there's a chance that the director might

get replaced, depending on how it pans out, depending on how it shakes out, I should say. But I think that that movie will take place. I feel like right now, John, maybe you've heard something. I feel like it's going to be the first movie will be the Favreau movie. I think that they're going to move the Ray movie. I think

they're going to have the Falloni movie come out first unless it's just too close to Osoka. But no, they're not going to cancel the Ray movie. Yeah, I don't think they're going to cancel the Ray movie at this point. I think Kathleen Kennedy is invested in having a successful TV show or movie that is female led. And I think with the Ray situation, that's what she's trying to do here with this movie. So I don't think it's going to do. be canceled anytime soon. And you can't argue the sequel trilogy because Kylo is a part of that. And I would say it wasn't the legacy characters. It was the Kylo and Ray relationship. That's what really drove. Yes, the older

fans were coming back to see the legacy characters, but you could argue they kind of fumbled the ball in the legacy character situation throughout those three movies overall. So I think it's the, it was definitely Kylo and Ray who were bringing people into the team. 100%. Yeah. And I think that, yeah, they won't cancel. And they're paying it like $12 million. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Hank Pimp, yo, what was the S-Rats deal? Seriously, what's up with that little chart?

He was not great, that character in the little stink rat in, Basil? Yeah, he's the worst. Oh, stupid rat. He's the worst. Also, love to see you do a twist review. I did one. I've been missing the full reviews.

I did it. I'm going to do when it comes, I've realized what I'm going to do now in order to like, when it comes to reviews that John and I've talked about this a length where A lot of times you can see when an out of the theater reaction, like is it, if I do the review, people are going to check it out. Well, there's a new feature or a feature that I'm going to do on my phone, basically. I'm just going to do live reviews. And I did a live review of Twisters, and it's on there.

It's a full, it's a four or five minute review, but it's on, it's on the channel. And you can find it there. And I'm probably going to start doing those more and then maybe interact a little bit more with people while I'm doing them. But, but yeah, I did the, I did the full review of Twisters. It's, you can go in, if you want to check out like the live tab. of my channel that's where you can find it yeah um okay next one here artem frankermanian a friend asked me to describe acolyte season one i was like i think it's about a jedi being dicks

and destroying a family in cool fights season one is pointless without season two what is the actual idea of the whole season i completely agree you there there's so many times throughout that series what what is this show i think it's a and then it's about twins and virgins and then And this guy's kind of a quigant. No, he's actually a putts. We still don't know why this kid took the potion. What is that? Oh, yeah.

And there's cool fights. I think that was an accurate description of the show. Yeah, I don't know. I think he's 100% right on that description. So, yeah. Okay, next one. Hank Pimp, the closer we get to Romulus, the tighter my shorts get.

What are your guys hype levels for that movie and thoughts on the Prometheus and Covenant? I actually think that I like Covenant more than most people. Okay. You know, it's why I understand it's not a great movie, but I like the feel. I like the better than Prometheus. I think Prometheus is a better made film. I think it's a better looking film.

Yeah. But to me, out of the two, the, the Covenant felt more like an aliens film to me. And obviously. And so I think that I, you know, I haven't watched one trailer yet for Romulus. Wow. Really? The last one was excellent. Well, yeah.

But that's why I've, so I've missed the trailers when they've come out. You know me. If I don't, if I don't hit it in the cycle, I don't react to it. And I was like, okay, I missed it. I still in white, I mean, no, I'm going to see it. So I want to be, I don't want to know anything about this movie. Yeah, and it was like, I don't watch any more trailers. And the trailer came out like, right when I was at work.

And I'm like, well, I might as well react to it and look. And people are like, oh, you sooner weren't going to watch anymore. I was like, and I really wish I wouldn't have because the last Deadpool, I give a big reveal in that trailer. Yep. And I wish I wouldn't have. But I was for work purposes. Yeah.

Yeah, but what do you think about Romulus? I'm excited. I've watched every one of the trailers. This is very much has the prey vibe to it like it did for Predator. This has the prey vibe for Alien. And so I'm excited. I love Kaylee Spaney as an actress, Isabella Morset. I love this crew of people.

And I like that it's like a mixture of the first alien and the second aliens. And these are thieves. These aren't like mechanical crew members. These are thieves going on a high. So I think that's going to be an interesting approach into this story. What is it they're trying to steal and what do they encounter? And obviously they encounter the aliens. What happens at the end of this whole situation?

And I like Fetti Alvarez and the kind of perverted approach he has to the horror aspect of this. And that last trailer, man, those. Don't tell me. Don't tell me. Yeah, I'm just saying, certainly he's going in mouths against their will is really unsettling. So I think it's going to mess with people in large. ways when they go see it. So I'm looking forward to it. Simon's section. The only way I can see there being an accolite season two is that they cut

the original budget in half, get Gareth Edwards during the episodes and the worst comes how Tony Gilroy on speed dial. Yeah, but that's, see, that's the case, right? It's like they would have to think that something was wrong with the first season. Right. I think with John, John was saying, I don't think that they do. I think that they think that they think that it's everybody else's fault. I don't think that they think it's what they did. I think that they think that they put together a really great story, great characters, and they stand by it. And that's, why do we have to cut our budget?

Let's do exactly what we did. And it was great. We love what we did. And good for them for being confident in it. But I don't think they thought that he did anything wrong. Yeah. No, I agree. I think they very much have convinced themselves that it's the negative people of Star Wars.

And look, I absolutely think those people should be called out when they just go way off the edge. But I think they think it's all that that has influenced the overall narrative and that these shows are going to be re-appreciated in the long one. And I think that's the mistake they're making, right? And Kathleen has done this before. She handed Ryan Johnson a trilogy before that film came out last Jedi and look how that turned out.

So you just have to question the mentality or the way they're framing this. And I think it's a dangerous way to frame it because it'll mean that we're just going to get more of this kind of approach to Star Wars, which clearly a lot of. of people are not vibing with or feeling it. Yeah. Mallory Garrett, hello Mallor. Mani and Chiquinto didn't just carry that guy. He put that show in his back and he dragged it.

Li Zhang Jay helped a bit too. Agreed. Yeah, once Mani Jekinto showed up and they started diving into a story, I went, wait a minute. Is this the story? Are they going to tell this story? Wait a minute. And I found myself kind of like zoning in and listening and like, well, I'm actually, I'm paying attention again. I'm like, okay, what's going on? And then the momentum that they, the momentum that they,

had they just dropped it in seven by showing us the same episode again that they showed us with episode three yep and then he just left him behind until he shows up and he does and he's not even really they they push him in the back burner a little bit in episode eight also i said it once to say it a million times over that twin story was the worst thing that they could ever done that there should never have been anything remotely close to that twin story was ridiculous and and not necessary yeah agreed yeah agreed 100% uh uh Jacob Pinchin, week two in U.S. Oh, good, more pizza. Yum. The best cheese slice I've had is Joe's near Times Square. Yeah, they're a really good one. But the best pizza was deep dish from Little Italy. You had either. Yeah, Joe's for sure. Joe's is great. You had either. Watch Martin Lawrence at Comster. He was high as that. You know, what there is, yeah, the deep dish is really good also. But I've been trying, I've been being careful because when I would visit the city when I was living in L. LA. I was always on this mission of like, okay, I got to hit as many spots as I can,

pizza places, I got to go back and then I'm going to be eating the garbage again in L.A. And I'm still in that mentality when I go to the city. I'm like, oh, I got to go. I'm like, no, your heart's going to explode, you moron. Don't do that. But you know what is a really good, you would, you'd be surprised, but Rose's Pizza in Penn Station, you'd be surprised. Penn Station, no. I know. And Barstool did a review on them also. I took Merrill there when I was there. Oh, cool. Delicious. it's like the sauce is like so it's perfect and it's like it's so tempting to get a slice every time I'm in I come out of Penn Station I'm like I got to get I got to get something yep it's really

good but there's a few different places jo's is great there's a lot of great plays for sure um thank you jacob for that very very kind of enjoy your stay man that's that's amazing all right so armada in a steven a voice damon stay off the wee yeah the house of the jose the house of the Dragon has been another show that has just been next level. And I loved that episode last night as kind of leading into what's going down. Demons just losing his losing the world. What the hell is this going to lead to? I got questions. Yeah. Okay. Back to Armada. I don't feel like this new and final COBRACi season marketing role it has been strong. Curious what you guys think. I agree with the marketing. It's not as and I also think, look, here's the other side of it.

It's the show has been the show has been out for six seasons. It's hard to keep momentum. of going for six seasons, man. It's hard. And they didn't even start on Netflix. Remember, they started on YouTube. And the fact that when they moved over to Netflix, got a big old push and now it's back and it got, you know, it's still getting some hype behind it. And I have gotten tons of messages like, how was your review? I'm like, I haven't gotten to it. And it's like, it's not that I don't want to see it. Right. I do want to see it. But it's like, I don't have that same kind of, oh, I got to watch it right now.

Like I did beforehand. And it's, there's nothing against the show itself. I'm sure the show's, the seasons is great, but I just haven't had a chance and I'm going to watch. And I know it's three parts. Yeah. It's three parts. Have you, you haven't watched any of it yet, you said,

right? Any of, uh, the Cowper Khan? No, not the particular. We're going to start watching it potentially today. It's only six episodes for the first one.

I was supposed to have Jacob, uh, Hawk on the show. We, the program that I was using, he, we had a problem connecting. And so I don't know if we're going to,

we're going to connect. But, um, that's a shame. I do want to see it. I do want to see it. Yeah. All right. Mike Joyce, there he is. Christian, now that you're in New York, I'm sure you've had many burgers. Would you agree that in and out sucks compared to most other burgers places? No, I wouldn't agree because I like in and now. My kids, it's the one thing if you ask them what they do miss about LA. It's always in and out. It's a sauce is great. They're good burgers here for sure, but in and out's pretty good man. I'm never going to hear me say that it sucks or yeah. Do you are you in an out person? I like a lot five guys, you know. Yeah. Fast food burgers.

quote-to-quote fast food burgers those hit the spot if you want something more high end you got to go other places true uh mike tris follows it up have you seen hundreds of beavers it's like a live action looney tunes episode hilarious movie no who told me about that i think it was alonzo daraldi oh okay lanzo dual they told me about hundreds of beavers and said it was hilarious i think that yeah i think it was him that told me about that movie so you're not the first person that i've heard say it was really good uh dat boy 22 with deadpool three opening this week what are you guys most anticipated movies for the rest of the year. For me, it's probably Beetlejuice or Wild Robot.

I mean, there's some, let's see, if we got some of the upcoming movies that are coming out, John, for the rest of the year, what's my most, after Deadpool and Wolverine, what's my most anticipated? I mean, it's got to be Harold in the Purple Crayon. Just had their premiere last week in Hollywood. I'm going to pass on that one. I would say, I don't know, all the movies that are coming, Beetlejuice is up there for sure. Yeah, yeah.

Well, I'm very curious about wolves. Oh, yeah. You're worried about that one. Joker, for sure. And the trailer's coming out tomorrow. That's right. The new Joker trailer. Yeah, I don't care about Venom, really.

What a gladiator 2 is probably is high on that for me. Gladiator 2. So those are the ones that stand out to me. Anyone that I'm missing that you want to say? I think you nailed them. I mean, for me, I would go, of course, I would throw in Transformers 1. Um, um, yeah, and I kind of hope Craven is good. So I'm going to throw that out there on, but Nospheratu is one that I'm,

I saw that trailer again when I went to go see Quiet Place last week. Yeah, that's a good one too. That's a that's an excellent trailer man. I can't by the way, quiet place was so good. I really know you finally saw it right? Finally saw it. Love it. It was, because that's it was a small movie that knew what it was. It was a small movie and kind of a bigger movie's budget. It was like 70, million dollars that's that's that's that's the kind of budget you got to spend on that you can't spend 150 million dollars in that movie you spend the money that you spent on that with two really good

talent with it probably not super high priced but really really good and a and a simple story it's a touching story too yeah it was it was um art um artem is back because of the monday show i was able to find geek buddies yay good i love hearing that and i have to say that show is awesome i hope the channel continues to grow and be successful you deserve it john a nice comment i'm trying arton i'm trying thank you very much and and listen go over and give him uh as much love and anybody who wants to give john super chats when you're over there you should because he's going to owe me steak dinner really really soon and he knows it now he knows it yeah i can sense it i can feel fair enough uh car no london calling saw the first episode of cobra kai six

and i have to say i was a little underwhelm okay it's only the first episode but it felt quite dry in like a pantow well i mean like yeah it's hard to guess out the first ones but you know it's it's funny as i was watching the bear season three you finished you finished bear right yeah yeah i didn't finish yet but i'm like halfway through and you can clearly tell that they shot with the way they shot the show or edited anyway they edited the show as if they knew they were going to do it all in bulk because these are not like put out there like okay this was week to week wait to see it's like no no no keep watching because even though this is just a particular episode of this it's it's it's they're shot that way now yeah yeah yeah and i'm like i don't love that i don't love it um all right mad sinister mccall waltons

confirmed in deadpool three per my sources who's that which one well the waltons he's oh all the you waltons perfect perfect um okay well we're gonna we're we're keep we keep moving we keep moving down the line that was i mean those are the super chads that came in right before the show started. Oh, wow. Yeah, J.S. Hooper. Want to hear how Rokka offends this show after insulting the fans' intelligence for weeks. The show is offensively bad.

Intentionally destructive. Wow. All right, John, here you go. Which show is he talking about specifically? I think he's talking about Ackley. Oh, Ackle. I didn't insult the fan's intelligence. What I said was wait until the show is over to make judgments

before you've seen all the episodes to see how this all ties in. Because people were commenting about storylines. Why is this character doing this? Until you see the whole story, you can't really judge the whole storyline. You can't. You can't scream and cry to the heavens all you want. You cannot do it. You cannot.

I'm not judging a football game after the second quarter. That doesn't make sense. You just don't know what's going to happen. So I wasn't insulting the intent. Why do you guys take it so personally? I wasn't. I was saying that you guys need to wait until the whole thing is done. Then you can make a proper assessment.

And to be fair to you. I mean, you, after, I think it was after like four episodes. you're like, I don't know. Yeah. We'll keep watching. They got a lot to turn back. Maybe they can turn it around. And then you saw the episode and you said they didn't.

And you realize it's a bad show. You're not just, look, there are people that are defending the, and if they, and they, and people who clearly like the show. But I just, there's certain points that are made. I think this is starting to turn into a, not in quality of, of the two of them. But so it was, you think that one's better than that one? No. What I'm talking about as far as the same type of, you know, the, the, the make solo two thing happen.

Yeah. thing. Like if you're if you're a responsible executive, you don't greenlight solo too. No, of course. You get fired immediately. Well, we saw a hashtag. You're fired. How'd that work out for Morbius when they brought it back for a second run in theaters and nobody

went to see it? Right. They listened to a social media game. And that was now and that was a goof on them by the way. That was a goof that that whole campaign. But so this is going to be that same thing. There's a there's a pocket of people that, well, I want to see a second season. Why don't you make it? And like, oh, look,

six people want to see it. Darth Vader's burnt asshole. I didn't love the act like, but I still enjoyed it enough to want a second season. Okay. Out of all the Star Wars shows, it felt like most like a series and not just a movie chopped into episodes.

Let them cook for at least one more season. I mean, I'll disagree with let them cook for one more season. They cooked them $180 million, and they burnt it all to the ground. So, like, when you're spending $180 million and you're not getting, you spend $180 million on a show, you better at least, I mean, look at, you look at Andor.

You can argue, people can go, well, Andor costs a lot of money and it didn't have the best ratings in the beginning. It didn't have the best ratings. Yeah, we've got a ton of Emmy nominations. Yeah. And the most critical attention out of any series that they've done, it's got that one. Same thing with Obi-Wan. Like, as crappy as that show was, it's still got nominations and stuff, too. And it was to say that this one won't also, but I doubt it.

And for $180 million, you ain't cooking. You ain't cooking anymore. And not unless, like someone said earlier, you can make the show for $80 million. Someone said, Kristen's like, if a team is losing $80 to nothing, you can charge that football game. The bills were losing 35 to 3 at home to the Oilers after the second quarter. And the Oilers came back or the bills came back and won that game behind Frank Reich. So you can say 80 to nothing. But I've seen teams come back.

from quite a huge deficit in football. So yeah, you don't know with the act, as I said. Yeah. But also Jay's Hooper, brother, calm down, man. Better help is something you can reach out to if you need help. Very intense about her show. Mark says, have you seen new Rebel Moon director, Guttrell?

You know, it came out today. I haven't seen it. I haven't seen it yet. But, yeah, that's another one where I never finished the first one. But I think now I kind of am going to follow what Snyder and those guys said. I'm going to wait for the rated art version. Maybe it's better. Maybe it's not.

But I'd rather, I think I'm going to just kind of buckle up and watch both of those. Yeah. I wish I could come up for the LA screening of both of those. Yeah. René Reyes, if act like it's a season two, Plague is should be heavily involved. Get rid of May in episode one. Focus on Crimea and training OSHA and having Leslie Headland take her talents to Disney Channel. Well, I mean, it's like, I think that it's a matter of, I think, I don't know.

Man, I mean, to me, it's just, I'm, I feels like a sci-fi and not, and not, Battlestar Collect is the only sci-fi channel show that I think that was like, she felt like it was on Max, but it's like a sci-fi channel show. Yeah. People want a season two. You're crazy if you think a season two is going to have without Leslie. Like, you're just kind of crazy. There's no way that's going to happen without less.

Right. And do you trust Leslie to do Plagueis correctly? I mean, that without. I just, I don't, yeah, I can't, that doesn't make sense to me. I can't compute that. It wouldn't make sense. no uh simon's action i've noticed you have a new rocky picture in the background and judging rocky shorts it's from rocky three let's say so yeah that's right on top there that's that's him that is rocky

three is that's clubber rocky three yeah so right before the the the i don't know if i can do i think i'll be able to do here i'll show you i'll show you kind of what the it's not done yet but i'll show you this is the wide shot right and it's like it's a little dark right now but i it's not adjusted but this is where we'll have this is all the other see i'll show down Doon, George Carlin, back to the future, Rocky 2, Caddyshack, Mallrats, Rocky 3, Diner, Internal Sunshine. Oh, that's not diner, it's good, fellas. Oh, yeah, there it is. That's good, folks. And there's also Braveheart up there, too.

But, yeah. Oh, there it is. Yeah, yeah. And pump up the volume. Nice. And pump of the volume. So, yeah, that's what it's looking like at the moment. That's what is looking like at the moment.

But yeah, my wife actually right before we started, kind of put them back up there. Um, okay, let's see. Yeah, she came in here and today with the little one. Little one was actually really helpful. So that was good. She's been a real monster last couple of days. I think she was like today she she did she was yeah, I don't know what happened. My wife came up with some kind of plan, but she was a totally different person. Haskell 420 Twisters blew the door off the competition. Nice. Well done it. Well done. Um, yeah, I'm I'm I am very, I mean, if it wasn't Deadpool too, I don't know if I would have got to another 8.30 screening tonight.

That's really... I know, dude. Yeah. Listen, this is the truth. I'm turning down more screenings than ever before because I'm just... Tired. I'm tired. I can watch it on Thursday.

Right. At the comfort of my theater, two minutes away, with nobody in the theater, like three old people. It's fantastic. So I'm with you. Unless it's a big film like this, I'm not going, man. Matt Sinister McAll Reneers and my Syria kiss was hot and then stupid. Night barges in before it's hot. I hope that night gets burned next week.

I was yelling at my TV. Yeah, I was like that, I did feel like that came out of nowhere, I will say. It was building up over the episode, but yeah, it felt it felt a little force, but let's see where it goes. Yeah, exactly. NLFC 96. I love Star Wars, but half the time of that, glad I was scratching my head with confusion with where they were going. I trust John Watts with Skeleton Crew. The poster for it, looks promising.

Yeah, I, that's, it's the John Watts and Jude Law side of it that is getting me hopeful for it, but the problem is that when John says, when Roca says, you know, I'm hearing it's not that great. I said, I'm hearing that great. It's not petting on the scenes. Okay, behind the scenes, but, but that's, but I'm not shocked by it. And I hate that I'm not shocked by it. You know what I mean? It's like, you remember when, when Marvel shows were coming out and you'd hear like, here, that one's not that great. And you're like, really?

That doesn't happen often with this. you're like the probability is that it's probably not that great and then but that's got to be a thing though if you start to have all these people because you look at leslie headland who had a really great show in russian doll right and and had and put things together and you have all these different people who have done these things and i thought even with deboruchow in the direction the way she directed mandolorean and then you look at how she show ran and produced the obiwan and you look at it's like there's got to be something from coming up from up high that is polluting the water. And if that's strong wants, it happens the same thing.

I don't know. Yeah, if that, if the scouts and it's like another middling. Yeah, I mean, how can you deny that it's the people up top? You just can't. Yeah. It just shows you how this is where people don't understand because they don't see it. How important it is, how, what do executives and producers really do? It is so important to have good producers and good executive producers.

Because if you look at something like the FX team making television, I mean, incredible. And the old man was part of that team. And you look at that first episode of what John Watts does. And we haven't seen Skeleton Crew. It could very well be fantastic. But if it isn't, you're like, okay, then this, we know that John Watts can do good television. We know that he can do good movies. What's happening over there if that's the case?

But we haven't seen the show. We'll wait until November. I think it comes out, right? Yeah. Okay. All right, Darth Archie, I 100% agree on. your Star Wars following you take. Amen. Hey, just got Apple TV. What's your first suggested watch? Love busting you all nards, but also love you guys on the show. Best part of my day piece. Thank you, Dargosh. Right now I'm on dark, dark matter or kick. I'm going to say dark matter.

I mean, I think John's probably going to tell you what's the, the freaking lasso, Ted Lasson. Ted Lasson. Yeah, Lassos is good. I would say loot. I really love those first two seasons of loot with Maya Rudolph. So I would recommend that one off of right now, the appell ticket that I'm watching. But a lot of people say presumed innocent is excellent. My wife watches it religiously. And I was upset with her because she started that show without me. And I walk in on it. I've seen, I've seen bits and pieces of episodes that I are deep into the season. So I already know what's happening. But yeah, it's a really good show from what I've seen. Isn't it funny, Christian? Like, they can start shows without us. If we start a show without them, it's a call to the house.

World War III. Yeah, yeah. Not fair. Yeah, not fair. Shea Markell. What's up, fellas? I'm here with Amon Targary and Cape Bon. I don't care what Bigarroka says.

All hail the one true king. Love you guys. Happy Monday. That dude's a menace. He's a menace. He's a menace. And he's a dangerous menace because he's not just like a Joffrey menace. How do you mess with your brother's wounds after you couldn't finish the job?

Yeah. Oh, man. Andre, Armini. The problem with constant bad writing is that it hurts the brand slowly. That's very true. In the long term, So it's hard to notice from the shareholders point of view. The act like I may have accelerated this process.

That's hard to argue. That's hard to argue because it does, it does taint the overall brand because when you start to, especially if someone, you know, in the last like five years is growing up with this up, someone who started watching Mandalorian, what was that, 2019, right? So it was that five years ago, whatever it was? Yeah. So somebody who started watching that show was like 11 or 12 years old is now 17. Yeah.

And a scene, they fell in love with the Mandalorian that since and I don't care. I don't really, the Star Wars isn't very good. That's what they have to compare. That's their Star Wars now. There's not even been a movie since 2019 and the movie was Rise of Skywalker. That was the last movie that they had out. So the brand right now is in, I'm telling you, it's in, it's in 1989 Yankee shape at the moment. It really is.

Beto Power. Slightly disagree on one thing about Kennedy. Star Wars being a money success. Maybe at the beginning of it has a lot, but a lot has been lost since episode eight and nine. movie in five years. I don't think you're disagreeing. I think you're saying the same thing. When it comes to movies, she's made money, but she hasn't made money for the company since 2019. I mean, Indiana Jones ate a big pile of garbage. The shows, I guess, Obi-Wan was, even though people don't love it, the show did very well in the ratings, was nominated for

stuff, and it was nominated for stuff. So that's success-wise, but if you're a movie producer, you're you should be judged off of the kind of box office you bring in it she hasn't brought in a hit since 2019 so in she was making money when she was making the movies right so it's going to be very this is what i'm asking you john yeah so the favour movie i feel it the mandloin and grogoo i think is going to be a home run because it has to go it's well it's going to be a home run because they're going to market it off of grogoo and it's going to get kids in theaters that's going to be a home run so it's almost like what guardians was guardians was like guardians three from marvel you knew it was going to do well, it was closing up.

It's that Ray movie. If that Ray movie comes out in December, if that Ray movie does not do well and it eats it, how does she still, do you then start having the conversation that she's a better magician than David Blaine? Yeah, I mean, if that movie comes out and eats it, then I don't know what case you can make, like overall,

you know, because these, she is, she's a I don't know I don't know if she's a creative right and I think she's an executive and not necessarily a creative

and if that comes out in tanks or doesn't do well and is not well received and I don't mean the angry Star Wars fans I mean like the mainstream casual Star Wars What happened here? Yeah If they don't come and see it They don't put the numbers in The reviews are mixed or middling

Then we got ourselves some trouble Some real real trouble at that point Because then there's nothing she can fall back on Like oh well I made money on the well now you're not making money on the movies anymore so you know and i think that's but i i think she also is like i think she reads the tea leaves i think she wants to have one more hit before she goes i don't think she wants to go i think she's going to get it with that fabro one though that's going to be the misleading thing she's going to get she's going to get it with that fabro one

yeah and maybe she goes before the ray movie comes out or right after i don't maybe i mean if if if i'm her i'm going to try to do a jordan move and say look i ever at every star wars movie i've put out they've all made a billion minus solo i'm walking all off the court here, right? Because maybe that's what she was trying to do with Indiana Jones, and it ate so much trash. I mean, as far as money wise, that movie bombed. Um, so maybe this is what she's trying to do. But if she sticks around and then waits for that Ray movie, I don't know. Matt B. Have you guys watched Cobra Coy yet? Making us wait four months for the next part of the season feels like torture. Should have been aired week to week. Yeah, I think that's, I think that's a

Netflix thing, man. Netflix just does things this way. They want to have the shows a hit and they want to try to space it out more i don't know i should probably ask i'm gonna i was talking to john hurwitz and he's gonna come on the show again we're probably with hayden and and josh also and i'll ask them that question as far as why they decided to do it that way yeah because it's three separate drops of five episodes each it's such a weird approach it's six isn't it is only five what the you said you said five episodes yeah but no i'm saying it's um i thought it was six episodes 15 episodes isn't it oh maybe you might be right i'm not sure it's three So five episodes each.

Oh, wow. Okay. J.S. Hooper, this show is intended to destroy the legacy of the Jedi. Leslie openly admits that she resents them and wanted to deconstruct their image. I don't know why they're surprised by the backlash. I mean, I don't know if she said that. I mean, if you can post a link to that, that's, I mean, that to me is, again, when if that is said in the room, I go, no, we don't want to do that.

Yeah. We don't want to do that. Like, if you wanted to have the Sith see that and the Sith kind of look upon it. That's the way that the sits see it in their anger. I don't like what they did to the Jedi. And I know there's a lot of people like, well, but, you know, they've always been that kind of these troubled things, trouble things, trouble with me. I like the idea of my heroes being heroes.

I like the idea of it. I like, you know, I don't mind on being flawed. But it was, they made them completely incompetent. They're all more, I mean, morons. The guy's taking poison and taking his life for some reason and has a receding hairline for some reason. And I know, the whole thing has made no sense. And the Jedi,

Wookiee was you can go on and on and on. Yeah. What she said was one aspect that I was very interested in exploring the show in the show was depending on the way you look at it, anyone can be the bad guy. And depending on the way you look at it, anyone can be the good guy. No one wakes up in the morning and thinks they're the villain. Everybody's doing what's best for them. So I liked exploring that. So, I mean, that's about the example. She took a swing and I think she missed, but she took a swing.

Okay. So next one, Andre, back. again, Andre Armani. Can you quote anything in the accolite that stands close to Nemex Manifisto, Lutheran speech, or keynote speech in Andor. No, you can't. It's because as John was talking about, it's like, I think that there was, the writing wasn't strong in it. And they, they go off of this, try to faster, stronger, more intense, that, that thing. And I don't think that they do that kind of layered writing that they did in Andor. No, I can't do that. Can you? No, no, there's nothing in there. yeah yeah um okay simon section saw twisters enjoyed it what's up with future superman superman and tornadoes

that's right yeah because david cornswitson's movie christian johns you notice a cameo of bill pax and son the angry motel guy i didn't realize now i mean now that now that you say that but yeah now that makes total sense that's um i didn't i didn't realize that until you just told me so you just let me know um ardom back again osha leveled up from level one to one hundred like two days. Yeah, I guess she was using age you want a magic spoon. She used my code. If she used my code and I can use my code in season two, then fine, do a season two. Yeah, that was the other thing. It's like, how does, I'm going to do a spoiler

for people for Accolide season finale. So you don't, so just come back in like four minutes, we haven't seen it. But the idea, and this is what I said in some of the, the fact that she wanted to be trained by the stranger. She didn't want to be trained. She didn't want to be trained by. No, didn't want. I don't want to be trained. I don't want to. I don't want. I don't be trained by right and yet she learned how to force choke and force took out of season jettai right and so people kept writing in the comments well she was trained as a jenni she doesn't have the first time she been trained i'm like she wasn't trained in the sith ways and even if she was trained she was trained she was trained as a patawon she wasn't trained as someone who could force choke out a jenni master just

just because you got pissed off yeah it made no sense made no sense just trip it all the way it's just a matter of like, she knew this guy for years. Yes. This guy was essentially her second, like her dad figure. She would just like lose control and kill him without hearing why he killed her mother or what. It's just made no sense. No sense. Christoph Seaburger gets a second after three months. So have the time. Great show. Keep going. Yeah, but I think that the reason why I got it, that was also because

the Flonie, you know, Flonie's pulling his strings. The Flonnie wants his show to go and Flood. And that show, to be fair to Osoka also, that show has to have a season two in order for Flonnie's movie to make sense. You got to put that one out because it needs, because all this stuff leads up, the Mandalorian and all that all leads up to Flonny's movie.

So it's gone. Yeah. Sorry, John, and Twisters cameo, I'll hear you a favor. Yeah, it's not a big spoiler. Yeah,

no, I don't mind spoilt. Yeah, that one's not bad. Talia Barless, Master Souls End should have been his character on the run for being framed for death, then him trying to prove the Sith or back,

but no one believes it. Sure. Sure. I think you could come up with a thousand different stories where we go, yeah. Carlton. Kristen, have you ever thought of live streaming the Monday show on Spotify at the same time as YouTube? Same for John, perhaps with the hot mic. I didn't know you could live stream on Spotify. Yeah, YouTube gets real pissy if you live stream to other platforms. So I don't know if you can do that. Yeah, I don't know. No, I haven't thought about it.

But I know that I'm actually, you can comment on Spotify video now too, which is great. That's cool. Pete Parker, 22, 88. I've never hear another discussion about the acclade. It'll be too soon. Christian, it's been to Coney Island yet, are all the rides to like, no,

I feel like didn't Coney Islands go down the dumps a little bit? I haven't, I haven't been in a long time, but no, they haven't been there. But I don't, I think this will be the last accolite discussion for a while, Pete. So you don't have to worry about that.

And, you know, until they say it's either going to come back or not come back. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, let's see. As we are moving down, we got Roberto. Rebel Moon Director Cut,

trailer drop thoughts. We haven't seen to get Roberto. So we're definitely going to check that out. John, are you going to do your reaction to it? No, no, I mean, I got too many videos today already. So, yeah, with the House of the Dragon,

a lot of things coming. Al Rensha, if different showrunners and new writers, then yes, to act like season two. That's definitely not going to happen. Like John, I think a lot of fall can be laid on Faloni. He and Kathleen need to go as well. I got to tell you, you know, whether it's, I don't know, it's so funny because you go back and you want,

I used to love what I wanted to Philoney to direct stuff. I wanted to do stuff. I want him to do all that stuff. but like I just his influences real I think has hurt star wars more than it's helped it yeah yeah um Chris Krause Prince Street pizza is still top tier I haven't been since I've been back but yes I could imagine that it is yeah of course it and John wise political news wasn't so slow I don't know wait Prince Street he's making a joke oh why has it been so quiet this past week yeah yeah we're gonna miss a pillow for no reason yeah I did a thing I did a thing I

on the Biden situation yesterday if people want to watch it on my channel. What happened to Biden? Yeah. Jim one. Ethlyn Kennedy can no longer justify the money episode 7 and 9 to keep her job. Yeah, Indy 5 lost 140.

Yeah, I think he lost more than that, to be honest with, while Willow and Acklead had poor viewership despite huge buds. I mean, that's, that is what I was saying before. It's like you can't, you used to be able to, when movies were coming out, and even if they weren't good, you could hang your hat on the fact, yeah, but look, she's done five movies and four of them made a billion dollars it's hard to make that call you can't you can't lay your hat on that every single yeah i agree yeah um matt b marvel should get lee isa

for spider man four and cast stephen yun is mr negative i don't know enough about the characters do you do you know enough about them that could be a fascinating decision i like lee isa Chuck so why not yeah um okay the azichung just did twisters right yeah i thought you did great job with it yeah he did a great job with it tiberius monk this is d and w spoilers which is d n w spoilers will be coming including youtube feeds on homecoming page including spoilers in a video title avoid social media as much as possible but watch big thing because they are cool yeah we try not to i was actually i was very proud of that the other day someone said that thank you for not because i did a trailer reactions to Deadpool and i don't put spoilers in the in the thumbnails yeah no and people

get pissed man rightfully so so i got someone told me thanks for not putting spoilers in the thumbnail um and i don't do that kick it to the king productions we need a hard reset at lucas film with a new head get away from Skywalker era and full on old republic for movies and shows the cinematic scenes for old republic pale in comparison to act like no i know look it's the same i just i feel we're all kind of broken records and we're and that's that's the thing is that i don't see a lot of hateful people in here, John. People are, they're screaming about it. It's just people who are just kind of fed up with the, you know, the fact that their team's in last place. Yep.

Yeah. Um, okay, Hunter Vance. Obi-Wan killed my interest in shows as episode eight did for the movies. I haven't bothered to watch Aklid or Asoka. I want to come back, but the competition is stiff and they don't seem to care. I think he sums it up. I mean, brother who is, my brother is such a big Star Wars fan, John. And he, he said, I talked to him. I said, have you watched that he said, I won't. He said, I won't watch it. Wow. And I said, how come?

He goes, because of everything I've seen already, he's like, I don't want to give them, even of you, if I don't, if I'm not liking it, I don't want to give them the ratings, because they're going to keep making stuff like this. Yeah, if I support it by watching it. Yeah, he said, I feel like if I stop watching it, other people just stop watching it, maybe they'll go back and actually pay attention. He's like they don't seem like they're paying attention to.

It's just like the secret invasion of Star Wars. Yeah. At Sister McHale, favorite theater popcorn and favorite candy for movie going. Well, I haven't been eating it as much because I'm trying to eat better. But when when I was pretzels and cheese, my favorite, I love those little pretzel bites. Yeah, I do now. When I go to any of the screenings at AMC Mission Valley, there's a wetzels right outside the theater. Oh, those is, I get the pretzel bites and sneak it in in a black bag so that I ask me questions. It's really good. Roman Fedorra. Hey, Christian, did you watch Dan Merle's

video on what he would do if you ran Lucas film that came out a while back? If so, what are your thoughts? Thanks and keep doing you. I didn't get a chance to see it, but I spoke to Dan when I think it was a couple, maybe it was like a week after he did it. We did our live show together. But I can only imagine because Dan's like, you know, Dan is the most analytical and breaks down things really, really well. So I'm sure it was a wonderful video. But I mean,

and I'd love to actually hear some of the things that he would do. I think there's a lot of different ideas. And I'm curious to what he would do, but I didn't get a chance to see it. No, did you see it, John? Which one is it? It was the one if he ran Lucas film. No, I did not see it.

But I will, and Dan does a great job with those. The Marvel one was really fun. So I'll definitely watch the Lucas. got to do our or we do our annual thing that we do every year oh is it getting oh my god the three of us so i mean it's it's we've got another five months or so before we still we still got to do it yeah still catching up yeah yeah pete park i remember when ellis said alien covenant was the worst of his year i enjoy that movie can we take a second to discuss how awful resurrection was which one is that alien resurrection yeah i don't remember which one that was that is that the third one or the fourth

the third one i don't remember alien three is the third one they don't add anything to that one yeah no I'm not sure. I don't, you know, I'm not, it's funny. It was a four. I'm not like a mass. Did that one was, is that the Winona Ryder one? That was the, yeah, Winona Ryder, the French, Jean-Cherne, direct in that Max Cohen. My problem with current Star Wars is that if they did Star Wars 77, it would have ended at the most easily escaped with the amount of flashback story. Well, I think John was the one who was right about this. There was no flashbacks in Ackler. There was no flashbacks. There were stories that took place, you know, in different period of time beforehand, and in the same,

in the same way that would you call House of the Dragon a flashback of game of thrones it's not a flashback flashback is when is like that scene in last jedi when luke's thinking about how kilo and him had that thing right that's a flashback um so but you know i i don't know man who knows this who knows what they would have done with the story today this story would not be what it was if they said they brought the same story of the episode four it would not look like it did today yeah it's also because we're not who we were back then Right. It's a different time. He was serving a different master, Lucas was back then. That's right. Wayne Edwards, happy Monday, Jets. John, have you started Dark Matter yet?

Come on. Kristen, say how great it has got me to watch. He was right. Dark matter is awesome. It kept me engaged from beginning to end. It's definitely one of my favorite shows of the year. Yeah, I got to jump on. It's so good. It really, really is. God, I love that show. And let's see. Next one, Shea, Markham. Dude, that white shot is awesome. Nice photo of the Lisa and Al-Geeb in the right corner. shout out to brett i'm sure you helped out uh you are wrong i didn't i didn't i did i didn't help um but not as much as i mean brep was yeah that that that that wide shot let's see where it we do that again that's the wine shot i'll get the old school um kind of uh yeah the old

carlin in there and everything too um house of the dragon this is askal next week needs to be titled acknowledge me for real for real uh goostal loose what are the odds that Faloni is jealous of Tony's Gilroy acclaim with Andoran is doubling down on the kitty elements of Star Wars. I'm going to say that he's, it's so funny that people are like, see, he talked about Gilroy's thing. He loved it. I will go to my grave saying that I, Dave Floney is not a fan of the way that Gilroy approached Star Wars. I will go to my grave saying it. But I don't think that means like he's going to double down on just the kitty elements, but I think more so he's going to double down on the way that he sees Star Wars.

Yeah, I think either I said or you said it last week, I can remember, but the double-edged sword thing. Like Andorra is the greatest thing they've made, but it's also everything that every TV series is now being compared to with Star Wars, and it's messed them up. It's messed them up, you know, because Mandalorian was good. It wasn't, in my opinion, it wasn't Andor good. Andor's like House of the Dragon, Game of Thrones type of approach,

showgun type of approach. Mandoling, not quite so much. And so I think they could get away with coming close to Mandalorian. The fact that they can't even come close to Andor is killing them. Well, this is why season two of Andor is going to be all eyes on it. Yeah. And so many different levels. Because if it'll almost be neglectful, if it does even better in the ratings and as as well loved.

And they don't start doing stuff like that. Because I swear, John, and I feel like I'm living in a freaking, my own, I'm making a up but when I went to Star Wars celebration it was 2021 or whenever it was yeah and I remember I want to see if anybody actually has it on on film Tony Gilroy was like yeah we're doing three seasons of this and then and and and what's this the end dea go lo's like three I only sign on for two and he's like we want to do three and then what I heard is that it was like no no no keep it at two from the high ups keep it to this is your thing but we're going to keep it to two and lead into rogue one and I just and I wouldn't be surprised if Floney was part of that.

It was all I'm saying. Nick, who was making the decisions at Disney Plus to insist on 30 minute episode? Also, then that goes back to the reason why, because I mean, Andrew I don't think was 30 minutes, for the most part was like 45, 50.

They even do it on Marvel shows and a ruins pacing. I couldn't agree more, Nick. I totally agree. In my opinion, a lot of Ackleights problems could have been fixed by providing more context because what you'll get on a pushback of that, look at the show like the bear, that's 30 minutes.

Baird is not going to give you a seven or eight minute action piece that takes away from your opportunity to tell more story. I don't have a mythology they have to adhere to. Yeah, but if you're doing House to the Dragon, you're going to wind up getting into a big battle scene. So in order to have that battle scene plus still develop character, you've got to do an hour long episodes. And when you're doing 30-minute dramas, you can do 30 minutes. But when you're doing an hour, when you're doing that much like that whole episode, was it five, the lightsaber fights inside the woods, or whatever. That's the whole episode. There was hardly anything in there to have any meat in it.

So I, yeah, I'm with you on that one. That was, that's, that's a major, major problem that they keep running into. Yeah. Francisco, hey guys, Roka, any news on the return of strong style? I really miss your wrestling show. Yeah, it is coming back before SummerSlam. We have a new name. It will no longer be strong style. So if you follow us on social media, we put the RIP on it. We will announce the name soon, but it is coming back before, before SummerSlam. so get ready for that. We're in negotiations this week to lock down a day. Can I tell you because I'm your friend?

Can I be honest with you? Yeah, yeah. I think that's a very smart move. You're the reason we're changing it. Oh, okay. Yeah, because Christian told me months ago, he's like, Strong sounds of fine name, but I don't know what it means. And if I'm a wrestling guy, casual wrestling guy,

and I don't know what it means and doesn't get me in, know that it's pro wrestling, then that's not the smart move. And so, yeah, so we changed it. And everyone else agreed with it, by the way. Everyone else, no one was like, oh, I like that's a cool name. I just didn't like when I see it I just don't know it's a wrestling show very inside baseball yeah you need to be outside baseball a little yeah um Derek Johnson I watch season two of acolyte if someone can tell me how they blamed all the deaths on salt when they had the hollow video of May killing indara yeah you're showed to me in episode one hey John figured I'd check this show out too yeah man Derek I'm with yeah it's like all that stuff you can that's so many excuses for like how the writing how can that's liking it is one thing yes how can anyone defend the writing on it show right right i don't understand that because everything he just broke down there it's like yeah they have video of it right and all the jenni masters all of the senate no one's gonna investigate this

it just doesn't make any sense like it doesn't make any sense at all malic tarrant don't want nothing crazy just seeing i go what you're doing thank you listen to the new childish gambino album did he i didn't realize he had any new one out i thought he's not making it for a bit yeah i know okay that's that's cool um bernay ryan ralca what are your predictions on how house the dragon season two will end. I don't really want to do a big prediction on that, Renee, only because I don't want to spoil it for people if they haven't really seen the whole thing. But I think that it's going to, all I'll say is this. And this is not anything. I think Team Black's going to come out on top of the end of the season two. But it's not the end of the series, obviously, but I think by the end of

season two, they'll come into top. And do you agree with that, Sean? I can't say anything because I've read the, oh, you know, so you know what time. I've read some of the books. So I know where some stuff might go. So I'm just going to leave it be. I just hope they get it right. Me too. That I think they will. So far so good. Kianamundi. Thank you so much.

Very kind of you for put that in there. So I appreciate that. King's Port, Port Cal. I've lost all interest in Star Wars. They started out with good with Force Awakens, and they milked the hell out of it until I didn't care. Reminds me a Marvel.

I think Marvel has a chance to get you back. And I think that they're trying to and they're paying attention to it. I think Star Wars has lost that. But that's what John was talking about before. John was, it just doesn't seem like they're paying attention to it. Yeah. Yeah, EWalk.

You're on a desert island. You can take with you only one franchise universe, past, present, and future. What would it be? Marvel, DC, Game of Thrones slash House of Dragon, Star Wars. Oh, man. Past present, I mean, 10 years ago, you know my answer, right? If it's today, right now, with the people in place, there's no world. Star Wars gets my vote on that one.

I think Marvel every time. Yeah, you know, the only reason. reason I would take Game with Thrones house to the dragon is because I don't have to leave my house. You know what I mean? Like I could watch it. I guess you're on a desert island. One universe. I can take it and I can watch it.

I mean, I love watching on TV anyway. So that's probably- Christian. He won't come out of his hut. He won't come out of his hut. I think Marvel, because they have so much potential in what they do it.

I mean, but we'll see what happens with D.C. We'll see. Oh, yeah. Darius White. Thank you, Darius. The accolite. It was too nihilistic to be Star Wars.

Tragedy was played up as triumphant, horrible moral messaging. I totally agree. Like the end, when they were trying to get you to root for the bad guys. It's like, I don't, this isn't, you're not doing it in the way the Sopranos did. He did kill Jorden, Jackie, right? He did kill Yorden Jackie. And it's not just about while they showed up, they, they could have, they. But even the twins, there's good people.

But even the twins, when the twins are like, it's like, why am I rooting from them now? They're this melodramatic music. We're like, oh, don't you care about them? No, I want them to go to jail and rot. I hate them. Also, wasn't Plague as a Mune banking exec. You know, he was, the munes are in general were banking execs. And he was part of, I think he was part of it.

What was he doing in a cave on Smillo Island taking vacation day? No season two. I mean, that, why he's there, who knows? But it was just so weird that if they're flying out, why is he peeking around a mountain? Yeah, it's so weird just because they were like, oh, watch. Audie's never going to see this coming. Simon section. I never understood the backlash of hearing modern day music regarding the gladiator 2 trailer.

I hated it. I guess no one remembers the Super Bowl TV trailer spot for the first gladiator trailer where you can hear kid rocks. Look, but here's the thing. Here's the difference is that that's a TV spot in the middle of the Super Bowl. This is the first trailer you're putting out. It sucked me out of the trailer. It sucked me out of it. And I loved that trailer.

I loved it. I liked that Jay-Z Kanye West album. So I like that usage. Here's something, though, John, that I never thought I'd hear myself. say. Oh, I was listening to music the other day. And on random, I'm listening to random songs. And I never thought I heard myself say the following words. Okay. I popped up and this music pops on. I go, oh, no, is this? Puff Daddy, I got to change it. And I go, oh, my God, thank God. It's going to. I never thought I hear myself say that. All right. Here we go. So Nick Alexander, they should make Plague a season one based off the book. Yes,

include some characters that worked in the act like, yes, do that. Say, look, we saw the, we saw how many people were losing their minds, a Plagueis was coming, we decided to adapt James Lusino's book. I just don't trust anybody there to do it right. I don't anymore. Well, but you get somebody like in Gilroy,

you do something like that. Everybody like Gilroy back through the doors? You know that? I know. Seuss Fernandez. If they end up adapting a Plagist story, do you think they should keep the Dart-Tenabra species, or is it too funny looking?

For context, he's the same as the Cantina band. Thanks for the show. No, if you do it the right way and you don't, like, over-cgi it, and you make it kind of menacing, you could absolutely do it.

But it's, as John just said, it depends on who you get to do it. Can you get the right person to do it? Melomash, have you seen the boys? John, do you think they will adapt the end of the comic without spoiling anything? I don't know. Yeah, we finished watching the boys. My reaction videos will be up for it to probably later. You like the season?

I like the season. I think, but I do think the fact that it wasn't subtle ended up catching up with it by the end. I liked it initially, but then it became like, okay, we get what you're trying to do. Can we have a little subtlety come back into what's happening? happening here. So for leading into next season, I thought it was fine, but it wasn't the best season for sure. Daniel Amitres. Akklaid was so bad that Ken Knappside looked like he just saw the last Jedi. He just saw the last Jedi. He liked the last Jedi, though, Ken. I'm not sure with that one. And I think Ken like Ackleine also. I haven't talked to him about it, but I think he did.

Path 090. The Acklead is the final straw for me minus Andro season two. My buddy's said I wasn't the first to tell him. Essentially, clear canon can change whatever. Also, he was driven mad by basis and actions. That rat was annoying as hell. Yeah, I do want to say two things. Like, one, I shouldn't have to read interviews with Leslie Headland after the show to understand the motives of the characters in the show. Right. Right. She spent all this time talking about Basil after that finale. And it's like, why was none of that in the show? Why are you telling me all this stuff? But none of it is in the show. I don't need to read this material a showman. rather, show me.

Understand what is happening. Yeah. Artem, Drew Law dies in the first. I'll be out. I'll be out. I'll be out. I thought that was such false advertising.

That was such false advertising. It was like they tried to do like a like a freaking, Drew Barrymore scream thing. But she was, she's not marketed in it the way that Carrie Ann and Moss was. Anyway, she did nothing on the show.

Anyway, all right, John, we did it. Thank you to everybody who joined us here today. very, very kind of you, really, really appreciated. John, where can they find you what you got going on today? As I said, you can find me at the Roker says on Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok. In about eight minutes, we will drop our geek buddies review of House of the Dragon, episode six, season two from last night. My reactions to episode seven and eight of the boys will be out later on this afternoon. And then tonight, of course, my reaction to Deadpool and Wolverine will be out there around 10, 30, 11 probably by the time the film comes out.

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Thanks, John. We'll see you next week. But so again, you follow John. Make sure he's going great stuff over there. So all right. Thank you, you guys for being here to again. Now, we have, we're on Apple Podcast. We're on Spotify.

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