The Kristian Harloff Show - The Batman 2 finds it's TWO FACE?!

Episode Date: March 29, 2024

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I hope so. I hope so, we'll see. How's it going, everybody? Welcome back to Capes and Cows. It is the big thing. It is the Friday episode here, man. And we got some stuff to talk about. The new Miles Morales short came out.

We do a little mini review of it here today. The Batman is, we already know it got pushed to 2026, but they're going to start filming. Apparently casting isn't even going to be close to announced just yet. There's some other things, man. X-Men 97. There's stuff going on over there. And people love...

You know, it's so funny about the X-Men thing. I see all these people going, how has X-Men so good? I'm like, oh, man, there's a new episode. And all three episodes are the ones that we've seen already. I'm like, yeah, I've been telling you guys, it's good. Nobody's listening. Florence Pugh. She let us know, no, no, that movie Thunderbolts.

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Coy Jondro, Winston A. Marshall. Duh. What happened? I scheduled my damn X-Men review for 9 a.m. this morning just to see that I put the 29th instead of the 28th. So it'll be out now, I guess. I missed it. Yeah, that happens.

Because they always give you a little bit of leeway time. Then you had to change that up. Let's just start with that. Winston got us. Let's get to X-Men. X-Men 97. People are loving this show. And as I said in the intro, I've seen this particular tweet, if I'm not exaggerating, at least 10 times.

How is this show so good? It's so good. And I'm like, oh, man, like last night, I'm like, all right, I got to catch up on some stuff. And I got to catch up on X-Men. I guess I started dropping new episodes. And we wait another week. I'm like, wait a minute. Yeah.

You don't watch our channel. We told you. This show's great. It is the first world list of problems, but I'm definitely hurting from two weeks of X-Men withdrawal because we all saw it. So it's like, we have to wait. It's literally the first world list of problems, but I cannot wait to catch up to where we get to watch it alongside folks so we can feel with them. Yes.

I feel you. I think the only difference is that when I was, when we were doing these reviews for like the Inner Geekdom show and SCN and all that, I would essentially have to watch it twice. I would watch it once to watch it and then have to watch it again to like really, dive in. So I don't hate revisiting the fire made flesh. Because like one thing I didn't catch initially was there was an anime like magic girl transformation for the

Goblin Queen. So if you're not familiar with that, think Sailor Moon, when she goes, you know, Moon Prison Power and then she starts turning rainbow colors and her gloves manifest and her T.R. manifest. The Gobble Queen did the same thing where all of a sudden she's like, and then like her psionic powers made her cape and her hair It was hilarious and amazing, and it's very clear that this team is being true to the X-Men side of stuff, but throwing in fun little pop culture references. If you catch the Wolverine meme, like Wolverine in the foreground and Gene and Scott in the background is like that. And they put it in the show.

Like, they're definitely, like, it's a love letter to pop culture through the internet, which I really love. I definitely, like, watching it on camera to react to it is hard because I accidentally called a spiral a shiar. because I mistook like the way her costume was and it was like a two-frame thing but comic people they do not forgive it was literally like 30 minutes of camera bombardment and I misnamed something and the internet's very mad at me but I'm

sorry internet she is not spiral she is spiral she works with mojo completely different oh and and something else that they pointed out which is right I knew it when you said it the Mr. Mr. Smith is not a Hitchcock that was just me being wrong

yes like that was just an internet I was just You won't hear me say that a lot. It's a movie comments that has nothing to do with the original Hitchcock. Nothing to do. And what's funny is when I saw those comments, I went and looked up both and I was like, I don't even know where I got this from, but I was so sure. You're so sure.

You probably just heard the title. But I think I'm going somewhere. I was so sure that it wasn't. But you're like, but you said, but you're like, no. It is. No, I know. And I'll totally own it. I wish I'd gotten into like being a lawyer because I could use these powers for so much

profit but evil because I'm sure of stuff. Except you just proved how many of your cases would get overturned. But later after I got paid. Look, man. All the other thing I was just going to say, I was thinking about the magical transformation, I think 97, at least somewhere directly around that time, is when we got the

first dubbing of Sailor Moon and it kind of took off. So I think it's like an even furthered hat tip to just like, oh, it's the time. So, dude, I just, it's a masterclass. It's a masterclass. And inferno is. Fernero is such a long comic storyline.

The storyline for episode three is a giant multi-comic long arc. They crushed it by putting it in 30 minutes. Like, it definitely felt not rushed, but it felt fast. But not in a bad way. And I was really impressed with that. We just did an episode on Wednesday about the Acolytes coming out, and it's a 30-minute episode. And I think it's a detriment to the show.

I haven't seen it yet, and I could be absolutely wrong, and I could pull an Alfred Hitchcock that you just pulled. Sometimes. And say that it was wrong with it. But I had a comment that came out and said, well, wait a minute. There are a lot of shows that are 30 minutes that dive into character. Really, look at the bear.

I said, the bear's a drama that it doesn't have these big action scenes. And he's like, what about Mandalorian? It's like, Mandalorian in the first season went to like 40, 45 minutes. And even then, you had familiar stuff with the Mandalorian culture. It was in the time period that you're familiar with in a brand new show that you don't know anything about. And you're only diving 30 minutes and really like 28 minutes if you look at credits. It's scary, but in the side of the X-Men, first of all, animated, you can get away with faster tones.

Second of all, I know a lot about Wolverine. Right. Even if I'm not, as dove into the storylines and the canon as you guys are in pop culture, I know a lot about Cyclops. I know a lot about Gene Gray. I know a lot about these things. And it's smart to not over-explaying characters that are so versed in pop culture. Right.

So 30 minutes for an animated show of a show that's essentially continuing from another one. That makes sense. Don't show the pearls. Yeah. I just don't know. because like I know technically you would make the argument the bear is a drama and people will call it like a kind of a dromity yeah and in certain ways um but if you notice no no drama worth it salt is 30 minutes that is that is rare it is typically an hour like game of thrones breaking

bad uh how to get away with murder scandal and it's got to get in the world it takes time to put yourself in the world you need time because you need those moments to let stuff sit you need build exactly yeah yeah totally I'm a little worried I mean I obviously we haven't seen it but I was really excited for the Acolyte to feel as removed from the world we know and I wanted to learn that world and I'm not gonna necessarily I haven't seen it but I don't know if I'm gonna feel as immersed learning a new world than I that I want to be yeah my fingers are crossed we'll see but anyway the X-Men in general when that last night when I was going through it I'm like okay let me let me catch up it also proved to me that I'm like I said to

you it was like I'm when we saw the screening I'm like I'm excited for you this show because I care about the story. Yeah. Like, I care about the story now because it's not, it's not just like throwaway episodes. So you got to continue what was going down with Gene Gray and all these things to. So I'm on board with it. I wound up watching the Bad Batch because the X-Men wasn't available. And I did watch Bad Batch, which has been pretty good this year. But now, as everyone says, I think that this is the other thing I wanted to bring up to people. I know this is not capes and cows. But I keep getting people who are yelling at me now. safely about watching Shogun because I haven't I've watched now three minutes of the first episode and they're just like saying it's turning into like the new thing because I think that maybe I'm going to try to do the first episode as a watch along.

Oh, that's fun. And then if anybody, if people actually watch it, then I'll do the watch along continuing on. But if not, then I'll just watch it and then review it at the end. So I think that's what I'll do. Okay. Let's move on to another story here. And this is the one that I definitely wanted to talk about. about let's talk about the batman the batman part two reportedly set for april twenty twenty five to start shooting and they said we might be waiting a while for casting news says mark cassidy a comic book movie

we have an update on warner brothers plans for matt reeves the batman sequel which is reportedly set to beginning around this time next year batman part two was originally supposed to be released on october third 2025 but as twenty twenty four arrived with a very few official updates and it potentially production crippling strikes, speculation mounted that a delay might be inevitable. And the movie was recently pushed back almost a full year to October 2, 2006. And now we could have an idea of when the cameras are going to start rolling. According to, you heard of him, Jeff Snyder. In the latest edition of his newsletter, the Batman Part 2, is currently set to begin shooting in April of next year.

This gives Warner Brothers and Matt Reeves plenty of time to get the script in order to assemble new cast members, probably shouldn't expect any official announcements regarding new actors, characters being added to the mix until this fall. Right now, all we have to go on are rumors, and we recently heard that Logan and the Sandman actor Boyd Holbrook is in talks to play Harvey Dent Two-Face. This could well be the case, but again, it sounds like we're going to be waiting quite a while to find out who for certain. When the new DCU slate was announced, James Gunn confirmed that Reeves Batverse will remain separate, so this movie, along with the Todd Phillips Joker sequel will be considered elseworld tales. A new actor will Don the Cape and Cal for Batman

the Brave and the Bold, which will also feature a different take on Robin, the Cape Crusader's son, Damien Wayne. Let's just jump into this now. Logan Star Boyd Holbrook rumored to be in talks to play Two-Face and the Batman Part 2. A new rumor doing the rounds online is claiming that Boyd Holbrook is in talks to play Harvey Dent in Matt Reeves' Batman sequel. Mark Cassidy again, plot details for the Batman are under wraps, but several rumors relating to certain characters. are doing the rounds. James Gunn appeared to debunk reports the likes of scarecrow, Clayface, Professor Pig.

Thank you. And Hush were set to appear in the movie, but we are now hearing that Harvey Dent might have a part to play. According to get, can we get some toast? Boyd Holbrook is in talks to play, the classic Batman villain, and Holbrook has quite a bit of experience portraying bad guys. And when the new slate was announced, James Gunn confirmed that the bad first will remain separate.

New actor will take on the Cape and Cal for Brave and the Bold, yada, yada, yada. Okay, so those are the two reports there. The first, let's just start with this, Corey. Is this guy right for Harvey Dent? So what's really cool, but Harvey Dent is he's kind of the inverse of Bruce Wayne and Batman. Like I talk a lot about how much I enjoy the psychology of Batman villains kind of mirroring Bruce Wayne and Batman's flaws, but it's usually one or the other. Joker represents the chaos to Batman's order and Catwoman represents like his nighttime proclivity. Like, there's certain elements to each character that are beautiful relationships to his psychosis. I love that Tooface is literally both.

He represents the White Knight element. He represents how he can spend his money more correctly. He's a fully formed, like, person about town. Like, you've got, uh, there's a, there's a face to him, literally. Uh, but what he does is, is he uses his political leverage to actually solve problems in the light, whereas Batman solves problems in the dark. and I think it'd be really clever to cast someone that we see as this pretty boy that we've seen play villains. Like, I think he's a really good choice for both sides of two-face.

I wouldn't have thought of him. I think he's a really good actor. I was excited to see him in Logan. He wouldn't have been my first pick, but I think Matt Reeves does a really good job at surprising us. I wouldn't have thought of Colin Farrell for the penguin, but that's one of my favorite casting decisions ever. I wouldn't have thought of Jeffrey Wright. Now, he's my favorite commissioner Gordon, and I love Gary Oldman. So I think the Batman, we should never assume a casting choice, but I think that if we hear something that doesn't sound traditional, we should believe it more.

Like Boyd-Hubrick isn't anyone's like top five. That's why this might be true. And I think he's the right choice. I just don't think if we hear like a more traditional thing, that's probably a lot. I also think it's probably true because James Good didn't debunk it. Also true. Winston, what do you think about this potential casting? Coy just broke my brain for a second because he started saying that and then I started going through all the bad.

Batman villains and I'm like, oh my God, he's right. Isn't it interesting? It's a psychology element to each of the villains. No, no, no. I was thinking I was like, okay, what about Mr. Freeze? It's like, okay, you would do what would you do at any cost to fight to save your loved one? Then I started thinking about poison ivy. It's like, what would you do at any cost to save the world?

Like, and then I just literally started going through all of them and I was like, oh my God, you son of a bitch, you're right. All of his best villains are what a psychologist would say are the yin to his yang of what his actual character said is. Rich boy, essentially the corruption that kind of comes out of that. and like his, because, you know,

but a lot of, a lot of stories, Cobbopat loses his fortune. And what would you be if you were a rich boy that wasn't aesthetically a rich boy? Like, Penguin represents that we are growing up. There's often stories of like, what if I grew up in the other side of the tracks? What if we grew up in the same side of the tracks?

Yeah. It's really, like, bad hand. But that's another side of the track. Well, no, no, you're on the same track financially. Financial track. Yeah, sure. But then there's another set of tracks. Generally tracks represent wealth.

Of the, it doesn't matter. As far as the casting, the casting, I think it's great. He was probably to me, probably the best part, honestly, for me for Logan, just because you really needed a, just because you needed a really solid foil to kind of pair with the fact that age and time is like effing you up. So like if you had a non-convincing a non-threatening villain of any sort, like while he's dealing with that, you'd be like, okay, whatever. So, like, you really needed that balance. And I really enjoyed what he brought to that performance. So I think he'll crush this. I honestly think he will.

I think it's a guarantee that he's going to be in the news that James Graham Gould's Star Wars movie, by the way, too. And I think he'll fit there. I didn't love him in Indiana Jones. It wasn't, I don't really necessarily know that that was his fault, though. I think that the, I just don't think that that character was so cartoonish. It was not good. But I like him.

A bad movie. Yeah, well, it's, it, I didn't hate the movie, but I just think that it was just a lot of there was a lot of bad decisions made. But either way, he was not like one of the things that when people criticized it. It wasn't like, oh, it was bad because of him. His, he's a good actor, and he was really good in Logan. And I think that, yeah, for me,

it's always going to be hard when you get like a Harvey Dent because I don't think of Timely Jones. I think of Aaron Eckhart. You know, and it's, and this is a big character. And when you say this, so many different actors have played the Joker. So many different actors. And how many have played Two-Face?

Not Harvey-Den. I know that Billy Williams. And he was supposed to be in the third one, Two-Face. He was. He was. He was. He was. But that character's only been played in live action, like three times.

Three times? The Batman 66. Oh, okay. And I'm sure one of the shows cast him. Right. But I also think that Aaron Eckhart doesn't get the credit he deserves for how good that performance was because of how good the Joker was. Like, I feel like the Dark Knight, everyone, everyone that doesn't want to give the Dark Knight

as due always goes, it's a Joker movie, blah, blah, blah, blah. But no. No one gives Aaron Eckhart's two faces due because Aaron Eckhart as Harvey Dent is the cornerstone of that film all the marketing like I believe in Harvey Dent Yeah if it didn't deliver so well it would have fallen like he was the foundation for that whole stack of cards It was a good it was it was the writing was really good in it the way that they played that entire thing you know it's funny that I saw recently and I'm sure it's been going around forever But one of the most hilarious things in the dark night is yeah When he's in when he's in when he's in the hospital that Harvey didn't realize that it's him I'm always like, yeah, he was delusional, he was a little disoriented.

But I think Tooth Face is especially... My bad. I'm going to go ahead and take that L. I don't... I thought he was in there. I think I confused him with the Matt Hatter. It's very different. No, no, I know, but just the aesthetics. Visually.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think when you look at what Matt Reeves is building as a universe, he's going to be leaning into the Jeff Loeb and Tim Sale stuff, he's going to be leaning into, like, not necessarily long Halloween, but the Batman opened with, it's Halloween, and then breaks into, like, different... It mirrors a certain aesthetic, and the two-faced character is important for all of that.

There's a long run of comics where it's Commissioner Gordon, Aaron, I mean, not Aaron Eckhart, Commissioner Gordon, Harvey, and Batman are kind of working together in multiple different series. So I'd be curious to see if Boyd Holbrook plays good for a little longer. It's also the fact that, like, in most canon, Bruce and Harvey being friends, there's also this weird guilt that Bruce feels to Harvey and that he failed him. And that's why I like that Bruce, and like I said, the bruise parallel and the two-face parallel, both of the mirror.

Right. Yeah. All right. What do you guys think? Do you think this works? Do you like the casting? And what do you think overall? I guess we can talk about that real quick before we move on is with Batman coming out now in 2025,

or 26, shooting in 2025. I think this is, some people would say, because I even had the thought, well, wait a minute. If you're coming out in 2026, why not start shooting this year and have more time for post? And the opposite can be, the point can be made. So we know, spend more time on the writing, spend a little. a little bit more time on the post-production, or pre-production rather. And then once you get into April, you'll be ready to go and you'll be set. So I like the time that they have.

So we talked about the date of when it's coming out. And if you're going to move it because you want to hit that October date in general, pushing in the year sucks, but it makes sense. It makes sense. I mean, what's the old adage, measured twice, cut once? So I... Cut once? What? Why did she say that?

Why? I don't know with one reason you're religion. Religion. The worst part. The religion. Yeah. The worst part is I started to laugh at his joke and that I actually listened to it.

I was like, that doesn't even make sense. It makes a lot of sense. Okay. The point is. Exactly. Lovely singing voice. Record scratch. That's correct.

No, I'm not a modic thing. I refuse. More like this. No. Trauma. Yeah. Trauma. Exactly. That's correct.

But I, no, just the idea like you said, get the writing rate. Get the pre-production right. Don't go into it and then go, damn, we have a massive problem. Like, if you have the time, take the time. Yeah. And it's not a CGI heavy movie. So it's not going to need post-production like some superhero films. I'd rather them tighten up the sets, storyboard, do all the stuff that's going to make the aesthetic of the Batman.

That's what's so special. Not the only thing, but that's one of the most special things about this movie is Greg Frazier shot it like a film. He shot it like a 70s crime thriller. Prep it. And especially coming after Dune 2. Yeah, the bar's low. That guy just reinvented cinema twice. Yeah, so the original was early 2022.

So you're looking at almost five years, almost five years by the time that it comes out. And the hype will be real for this film. The question is, what state will the DCU be in at that point? I don't know. The DC will matter to it. I mean, like people won't. But it will and it won't. Yeah.

It will in the fact that it still adds to the public psyche of comic book movies and the idea of Batman and the idea of those types of characters. I did a quiz. We were at breakfast. My daughter and I tried to get my wife. And we're like, sitting down and going, okay, let's see if my wife knows a difference with Marvel characters and D.C. characters. Interesting.

Right. For the most part, she passed, she passed with an A. And she got, I think she was something like 90, 90%, 90%, or something. And because what she said at one point was she's going through them because we talked about, I can't remember which one it was where she guessed somebody that was Marvel, it was DC. but I can't remember what it was. It was one of those obscure ones, right?

But then we started getting to, she's like, The Flash, and we started Aquaman. She's like, D.C., she's like, I know this is D.C. Because these are the ones that aren't that good. And I was like, but then I said, well, what about, I said, what about Batman and Dark Night? She's like, okay, well, those are pretty good. So it's pretty good. She's like, that's pretty good. And then so it was like, but it's, but it is the perception of the other.

The other branding is what it was because, as I mentioned all the other movies that were really good, Yeah, there's some good news, but because of the consistency of what happened for the first three phases of Marvel, that is what is in the average everyday person's head. Also, if you zoom out even more to just the macro of pop culture, I think a lot of people hear Marvel, Marvel, Marvel more. Yes. And I had my grandma on one of my shows like eight years ago. She came on Marvel movie do is. My grandma who, like, she knows who Thanos is. Like my grandma's fairly plugged in.

So you're your grandma. Exactly. She has to hear me ranting. But like my grandma came on my show and we were like, okay, so who's your favorite Marvel character? her and she said Superman and she got so embarrassed and it was really sweet but I think it's because she just hears Marvel and goes like oh it must be that that's that's where that house is and to this day I think it's so endearing that like it's all comics to people that don't focus on it so as long as they're doing good work it's going to uplift everything

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Waller is rumored to have cast Kong Skull Island and 24 Legacy actor Corey Hawkins as Agent Dale Gunn in the series. Exactly. Also, the color, that's how you do it. Also, straight in a Compton. That's like such a star making performance.

I know, they don't even mention in there. Gunn shot down the talk, saying in social media posts on threads that the Waller series is way too far in development to have any casting. Scripts aren't finished. Haven't starting the casting process, so no. The Hawkins rumor reportedly originated from a piece on the medium.com, a piece no longer there anymore.

Follow several false casting reports recording the DCU and especially Superman. What the Waller spin-off will involve beyond Davis Amanda Waller still isn't clear. The character has been portrayed thus far as a ruthless government official who runs the Suicide Squad. The series will hail from Christall Henry and Jeremy Carver, filming on the second season, a peacemaker begins in May. Oh, wow. Yeah, of Watchman and Doom Patrol fame. That's actually, I have the utmost, as far as far as the showrunner. I have the utterest confidence in this show now,

just knowing that they're the two behind it. Yeah. I still don't necessarily know the need for it yet. But how can you go wrong with A, the showrunners, be the cast? That might be why they're making it, is they got a showrunner outline that was so good. And like, how do you not? If you got that script, that showrunner, that team assembled,

and then everything falls apart and you're like, well, and the peacemaker thing seems easy, right? Like the end of the series, this end of the first season is him seeing his interdimensional stuff with his dad. so why don't he just go through another dimension bring a waller with them and maybe that's how you bring it into the DCU. It's just a confusion angle for me. It's just like where it's like it's the only

thing because let's call this what it is and I'm fine with it because I love the peacemaker but this is what this is. James Gunn loves this. He loves it. You can tell from the way he makes it. He loves the suicide squad. He loves the peacemaker. He loves it. And he said somehow, anyhow

this and I love a Viola Davis is doing. I got to make these are the ones that stay. they stay and it's like it's still back to the confusion angle like how how does it stay it is but let's let's be let's be really real these the casting of viola davis is Amanda waller and then what peacemaker was able to do and and and and like the suicide squad was very solid of a HBO it's exactly is HBO the peacemaker yeah no it was HBO max I'm saying like HBO max doesn't have a lot of like that show is

trending every week yeah how many How many times is it on max ever? You have guaranteed wins. You have super A list. Like, when are you ever going to get Viola Davis again? Like, perfect casting for Amanda Waller. So it's one of those situations where it's like, okay, look, am I going to catch some flat because I'm putting my own stuff and propping it up?

Sure, but it works. I love that show. And so, like, to the point where I can't look at any other DCEU property when it was, when it was at its prime that didn't meet some sort of trouble. This is really kind of the only one. want to throw Amanda Waller in there with the original suicide squad and say that that's got taint on it, fine, but it really feels like they did that reboot hard with the suicide squad and Peacemaker. So you can kind of take it out of that. Whereas Peacemaker never really met with any stink whatsoever.

I mean, there are people that don't like the fact that they made a, you know, a Superman, like Jackoff joke or whatever it was in Peacemaker. And Alkerman screws fish. Yeah, that was it. That was it. Funny deal. But it's fine. But either way, you could make the argument that there was drama. with Batman v. Superman, so Cavill

and, you know, Affleck are tainted, let alone Affleck is like, I don't even want to do this anymore. He's going to direct a film and he does. And Wonder Woman was, the first one was great, but 84 was trash. The Flash was a really heart-moving moments in that movie, but that movie didn't do well. Like, all of that has taint on it, and they're too at the center focus.

You've got to push it off. Yeah, I agree. I'm so curious how they're going to do it. I think narratively, with the interdimensional stuff in the show because of his dad, you have the ability to just start episode one with Waller maybe being like, we need peacemaker to go to another universe and like her and him go into the current one it just scares me with the other universe it's linear it just scares with the universe stuff because of everything i think marvel has dropped the ball on the other universe stuff so badly that people are just like enough with the other universes already too so it's like how they're going to play it but then the flip side of that is that spider versus done it pretty well yeah so i just think it's just been overdone um but if it if it's needed in order for them to say this is how we're going to do it and then we're not going to do it again because if that's the case it's really well how come the number of henry cavillant

I guess you could say that too. The other argument you could make because we've said that what, that in the flash, at least you've established that and whether or not you acknowledge that canon or not, but you've left that door potentially open. Oh, in every universe I went to, you're the same person. If all of a sudden we get to season two of peacemaker, and it's also John Cena just in the universe that is now the DCU,

you could just, and that could be that. John China? Have you ever seen that clip? No. Oh, it's the best. I forget the guy's name, but one of the old school wrestler when I wasn't, when I wasn't watching it. But it's a clip that keeps popping up,

and he is notorious for getting people to break. Okay. And so he goes, I tell you what, John Sheena, and Sina like, it's actually funny. You know, I'll play the clip for everybody. You know what? You have a big mouth, John Chena,

and there's nothing. I would love more for Christmas than a chance to shut it. There's nothing. He's doing his best He's trying Wait, have you seen on TikTok and Instagram There's this dude That's he goes and gets like

His Latin homies To try and pronounce names So like he'll be like Okay, how do you say He'll be like How do you say this superhero To have a picture about me He'd be like

Oh yeah, he's about the mom And then like they'll have like A flash to a picture of like a bad man Or something like that It's like how do you say This one It's Wonder Woman It'll be like

It's Whungahuman Yeah, right, yeah, yes. So he caught, he caught Sina off. But Sina, obviously, Sina, by the way, had such a great performance in that one. That was really one, one year ago, more with Sina. So I'm excited to see that show back. But I ask you guys, the other thing when it comes to casting, right?

This is why James Gunn, I go back and forth with it. I get, he's shooting this Superman. He's going to have to basically run this entire peacemaker show. he's going to be overlooking while he's doing what he's overlooking everything and yet he's still tweeting and I'm like to take a break but on the flip side it takes you see that they they deleted that report the more people they get paid to lie lose their jobs the better right like misinformation is cancer take out the cancer and if he has time between setups I know how long to take to tweet you look at your top 10 and you just get rid of some get people fired in seconds please I'm sure you're

a very organized person, Christian. I would just, I make an argue. He probably is like, all right, uh, eight to 11, right, Superman. Okay, uh, 11 to noon. I got a meeting with whatever, whatever. Oh, scheduling wise, yes. Noon to one while I'm working my lunch.

I'm going to tweet back at people like, uh, but he makes it part of his work schedule. Sure. I understand that. And I think that it is important when you look at it because people will, if you, because the way that this cycle works and people don't understand this is that someone can go, you know what we'll do?

let's say that he's been up for a couple of things let's put Corey in there and say that he's up for this role no one's going to comment on it we'll get clicks on it people cover it and then in a month two months for now or six months or a year from now when they actually

cast this thing no one's gonna remember people are gonna come back and we've already made our money right so by James Gunn coming in going well wait a minute you get them to go shit we can't do that I feel like not a half but like a lot of YouTube is just clickbait and and it's really dangerous to people that are trying to have integrity.

So the more that people lose their jobs that don't have integrity. No, but I'm saying in general. Like, I'm just saying YouTube's the biggest problem. Like, it's easy to sit down and make a video and just say whatever you want. See, but I think, no, see, I'll push back on that. I'll push back on that because I think there's a difference there with a website and a YouTube video, because this is the thing that everybody, I mean, it's even since the Collider day, it's like if you're going to do, if we're going to do on this show, if we're going to,

it's all about responsibly titling stuff to where you're talking about, because we can say, let's say it's like we have a conversation that organically comes up is and I say Mr. Mrs. Smith is a hitman. Right, but it was Jensen Inkel's going to play Batman, right? And we say in the title, we put a picture of him as Batman and we say, you know, would he make a good Batman in the title? And you question market. You're asking a question. Would you make a good Batman?

Not he is Batman. Right. He is. Or if there's a rumor out there, let's say a website puts out a rumor that he's Batman. He got cast. And then you put new Batman question mark and we talk about it. You're not saying new Batman exclamation point. This is who it is.

You're saying unless it's confirmed, of course. So there is responsibly how you title things and talk about it. You can still, like the funny thing is there is a way, like you said, to pseudo-clickbait, but make it very clear that you're not making is-ish up. Yeah, but it's not click-bait if you're talking about it. No, no, no, that's what I'm saying. So like if you, for the thumbnail, for example, of when we- We were talking about casting of Cavill and Gosling,

and I mentioned Gosling would make a great Mr. Sinister. Someone actually had like a drawing of Mr. Sinister. If you put that in the thumbnail being like, Gossling as Cuis. Gosling is sinister question mark or God, like that's different than Gossoling Citister. Breaking news. Like you just said.

That's what I'm saying is the sites that run it as Gossling cast as sinister waiting for it to fade. They need their credibility checked and that's what's dangerous is how often it gets to the point where people that do look around it's too crowded in a marketplace. We need to thin it out. Sure. Okay.

And I would argue that, like, I mean, I only, I use Twitter now currently to put out links, and the only time I argues when I'm at the gym because it helps me work out. So, like, maybe Guns got a system where if he's angry, he gets on Twitter. That's why you're getting smaller. Yeah, because I haven't been tweeting as much. No, because you've been tweeting too much. Oh, I've been barely on Twitter. No, but, like, I use it for games.

Like, in between sets, it helps me, like, rage. It helps me. Can you just be smaller because he's in a relationship? That's true. I don't need to be jagged anymore. You just had to lure her in and then just all of a sudden just, hey. It's false advertising. Lucy in the football, bro.

You just. Relationship bod, 20 pounds left. Yeah, you signed. You signed. You signed the deal. The Lisa's signed. Lise's signed. Signed the papes.

Thanks for joining us here today. No, I was kidding. All right, listen, we got more things to talk about here because there are some, this is a, this is a story that I thought was interesting. Let's talk about K-stew. Does anyone call it that anymore? No. Stubomb. I mean, they say Stubomb?

No, Stuvon. That's our headline. Stubon? Stubon? People still call her Stubon. Did anyone ever call her Stubon? All right. Kristen Stewart says, F off, Marvel.

That's not what she says. Clickbait. She'll never star in a Marvel movie except under one condition. Mark Julian says, Kristen Stewart has made quite a reputation for herself as an actor's actor post, Twilight, after a miserable experience making Charlie's Angels, she shied away from blockbusters.

And you can count on Kristen Stewart among the Hollywood A-listers who don't seem to enjoy superhero movies. Over the years, venerated actors and such directors, such as Jody Foster, Jennifer Aniston, Martin Scrocesi, Alejandro Gonzalez, and are out to. Ridley Scott and more have all shared their disdain for how superhero movies have taken over the film industry. Foster, who is Stewart's mentor, recently stated,

it's a phase. It's a phase that lasted a little too long for me, but it's a phase, and I've seen so many different phases. Hopefully people will be sick of it soon. The good ones like Iron Man, Black Panther, The Matrix. I marvel at those movies and I'm swept up in the entertainment of it, but that's not why I became an actor. And those movies don't change my life. Hopefully they'll be room for something else. During a recent appearance on the Not Skinny Not Fat podcast, Stuart revealed that she pretty much feels the same as her mentor, stating that making a superhero movie sounds like an effing nightmare, actually. She also stated, I will never ever do a

Marvel movie before going on to reveal that there would one exception. Well, if Greta Gerwig asked me to do a Marvel movie, then I would do it. As for a reason, previously Stewart revealed that she didn't like her time making Charlie's Angels, adding that I like big movies because I like people to watch them when I'm in them, the system would have to change. What ends up happening is this algorithmic, weird experience where you can't feel personal at all about it. Since 2019, Stewart has made smaller films, including Spencer and Love Lies Bleeding.

And then down below, yeah. Foster said that. And then she followed up in her response. Yeah, she followed up saying, unless Greta, but Foster's saying, Iron Man Black Panther, I'll give you Iron Man Black Panther.

The Matrix, it's not a comic book, superhero movie. I guess you want to just throw it in there. It's a stretch. But the other thing that I'm going to say, just because it didn't change your life. You know why she threw Iron Man in there?

Huh? You know why she threw Iron Man? No, why? She's like tight, super good friends with Robert Day and Jr. Okay, so there's that. But for her to say something that it doesn't, Does she specifically doesn't change my life or doesn't change people's lives?

I think she said her life. Okay. If that's the case, then fine. Then whatever. But I think the thing that pisses me off and it's the same vein of when Scorsese was like, this isn't cinema, this isn't film. Again, kind of how dare you in the sense that when you mention those three films, three of the biggest that have ever done it in their respective genre, like everything that you looked at in that Iron Man trilogy and they didn't, I wish they'd gone more into like the. alcoholism of it and like because that was a big story in the second the second covered a little bit in the second but then like black panther and everything the idea of of family brother the the black

struggle and diaspora I can get further into that but we're not going to talk about that the matrix and everybody was talking about the philosophy how it's tied to the bible in one way but then you're also talking about are we the actual plague on the earth like to sit there and just say well because they have really fancy action set pieces that then you know it doesn't change left that pisses me off to no end because just because you have a really artsy film on one hand yeah that's just as good

of art and can change lives as something like this so I just the fact that she said it's my life I'll back off but like I just I'm getting real tired of pooh-pooing. The elitist. The elitist because like there are westerns. Westerns was considered that fat like we talked about this how westerns feel very similar

to superhero films. Horror movies. They all can have get out. Get out. Get out as a horror film, but you're going to say, oh, because, you know, there's a slasher and they're trying to take it. But, but again, the mentality, black people's place in society. Oh, my God. I'm so, I'm going to take my emotion out of it because I love superhero stuff. But I will say, even just from a business standpoint, I do think it's short-sighted for, I generally like Martin Scorsese movies, but he's the one that I always, I take it personally only because I like and respect him. So someone's saying something ignorant when they're smart hurts me more.

If you're dumb, you're dumb. but when he comes out at a certain genre, it's not only short-sighted because everyone came at him for gangster films, but also because show business is both. And without the movies that are keeping movie theaters open, you don't get to make the movies to scale that are the ones you like.

So the business side of it, the exhibition industry would not be able to exist today without these billion-dollar films. I personally don't love the Transformers films, but I am always happy when one does a lot of money. I personally don't love the Tyler Perry films, but I'm always happy when one makes a lot of money. I personally don't see every day,

despicable me, but I know they make a billion dollars. So I don't think it's smart for anyone. And I'm not saying she did, but I'm saying that I don't think it's smart for anyone in the film industry to make blanket statements about anything that's keeping the film industry open. So I like Kristen Stewart's indie films. I personally see an indie film I might not have because of Kristen Stewart because Spencer was one of my favorite movies of that year. Seaberg is one of my favorite movies ever. I wouldn't have seen Seaberg if she wasn't in it. I wouldn't have seen Love Lies Bleeding and I loved it. But it's really important not to shoot your yourself in the foot on a business stand.

Say they're not for you, but I do think it's short-sighted. That's all I was going to say. I was like, if you take it outside of movies and take it to music, for me to say something, all country is trash. That's incorrect. It is one of the most successful genres of all time. It still is to this day some of the biggest artists are country artists in the world. To say that I do not like country and it doesn't do, it doesn't move the needle for me,

which she did put that in there. I would say you almost want to say, not only do those films not necessarily move, Like if Scorsese instead of saying that is in cinema, he's like, that's not the type of story that I like to tell. That I would be okay with. That's not the type of music that I like to play. Those are all things that make sense instead of shitting on other artists

and what they're making one way or the other. Now, there have been bad films by everybody at one point or another. So let's not pretend like, you know, there weren't bad superhero films. There's plenty of bad superhero films. Madam Webb, Jesus Christ. But all that being said, that doesn't necessarily throw the intent.

entirety of the genre. A lot of bad action movies. A lot of bad horror movies. A lot of bad. But here's the thing. I agree with her and this shows over now. Bye. This is her last episode of Capes and Kelts.

No. It is. I agree with you guys. It's like it's just, it's like anything. It's just a matter of how you present things and how you say things. The difference I think was Scorsese and Kristen Stewart from someone. Look, she had a bad experience on Charlie's Angels, obviously, and that and that plays into

this. She is also the reason why she's as successful as she is. even at the moment is because of Twilight and it's a big huge franchise right so by her she's Scorsese he built himself on the you know the kind of films that he that he loves she built her reputation or or should say built her career on these very successful movies and then transition she's a very good actress she's been a lot of different things she's on the younger side she's in the 30s so she should understand it more I give Scorsese a pass every time because he reminds me of my old Old grandpa who you're not going to, like, if my dad was doing press anywhere, my dad would be canceled.

You're right. Because it's like he's got his own, he's sitting his ways. My dad is 80 years old. He ain't changing his ways in the way he looks at things. Like people are that, people don't understand that. Just because he's in front of a camera and he's in front of a microphone and he's talking. He's just like, yeah, you don't like Marvel movies? Why not?

I hate you. Okay. I'm going to go take a nap. What does he care? He doesn't think, Kristen Stewart should know that she's still got, you know, this in audience. But like she said, she's also playing, she knows how much respect like Greta Gerwig. Greta Gerwig is crossing over into that. I would love to see Greta Gerwood, Kristen Stewart Marvel movie, man.

Right. Like, oh my God, and she said it. And she also puts herself in a position like it just depends on when. Because I think that there are things that she said inside of that in the same way that in any genre could be like, it's getting lazy. They're doing this. You've been. That's fair. Yeah.

You can say that. I think it would just been a better thing. Look, the genre for me right now. It just not working. Like there's things I just don't like about it because we've said that on this show. There are things that are happening in Marvel that stinks right now. I say, look, I had someone, I haven't done a Sith Council show. I haven't done this, like actually called it Sith Council since Assocas.

Someone else just said, you should stop doing Sith Council. I can't even watch it because all you do is criticize Star Wars. Like, well, I haven't done a Sith Council in five months. But one of the things is, too, I can't. It's like I'm a Yankees fan. But if they're in last place, or the Giants are in last place, I'm going to say the team needs help.

And until the team's winning again, if the team's still winning championships and they're winning championships and they're playing great and I'm still going, they're terrible, then there's something else going on there. But, you know, I'm not going to do this thing where it's like everything is awesome. I'm just not going to do it.

Because it's also not real. Right. And part of the problem right now is we have gotten to a place where we're not able to acknowledge reality anymore. Right. And I think that that bothers me a little bit. Like the only time that we should be talking about fantasy is the movies that we go to see. Not not with what's like going on in life.

So I don't know. And the last thing I'll say kind of about this, I agree with you with the whole Kristen Stewart. You know, she got her start in Twilight. I always have a problem with artists that something put you on and then you decide that you're just going to trash it. If it's one thing again to say, you know what, that was a different phase of my career. That's a different phase of my life. I don't really like to visit that anymore. That's one thing.

but it'd be like, oh, it's terrible. It mainly happens with, like, leading men, heart throbs that were in, like, Jacob Allorty got trashed because he was talking trash about the never-been-kissed movie, or whatever those movies were, the kissing booth, whatever those movies were, right? They're not good movies, but, like, ladies loved them, teenage girls loved them and made him a star because of it. They got him euphoria. They got him everything that goes after that, right?

So to just go, those were trash, I hated them. In the same way, if you said that about Twilight, if you go, I had a bad experience shooting those, that's one thing. But to say, those are terrible. I guess I'm guilty of that. I think Collider Live is terrible. I think Jedi Council is terrible. But I also acknowledge that people love them, right? And I don't say to people like, if you like them, it was like there are times that, you know, we did some great stuff.

We had some good guests. The people I worked with, I love, but there was stuff. My experience working in that area, not the company itself, but just that whole, way that it was put together and having to talk about stuff I didn't want to talk about and being that stuff was a bad experience for me so it made me taint my experience of it that's totally fair and I think I think it's the same thing we've said about Zazloff and just like bedside manner about stuff especially when people's like heart and soul is into something so like you said collide alive it's so different for you to go it was terrible for me I had a bad experience dealing with

XYZ versus I hated that show and if you like you're terrible too right before we leave this subject I do want to say, now that it's been brought up, I would love to see a Greta Gerwig Avengers movie. Because she handles relationships really well. I know some of her acting, I mean, action directing because of little comedic elements in Barbie, but I'd like to see her action more. But I think as far as like dealing with a giant cast and a beautiful visual palette, and like if she could direct action or hire an incredible second unit director for the action, be cool to see her handle something like of that scope.

And she's made a billion dollar movie now. So I think like that'd be cool. I know she was doing Barbie at the time, but they should have waited and they should have had her done the marvels. Yeah. Was she up for it? No. Oh, just in general. Okay.

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I'm getting you good stuff. Listen to Winston. I put the link in the description. It's always the pin comment, and you help out the show tremendously, and you're getting something for yourself. So when you do it, realize you're helping us and you're helping you. Okay. Let's talk about this spiderverse thing. All right, they released this brand new Sony did.

They released something right. They released something for free on their YouTube channel, and we just watched it today. So it's kind of like a mini review. What did you guys think? I thought it was really well done. I think that the main theme behind it is the idea of, of just the pressure of life and how it can really mess with you and how it can drive you into a little bit of a depression

and it can make you anxious. I think especially for, it feels like that's much higher for teenagers right now. And so I think that that's a big thing for them. But I think it's a great reminder for all of us. And that's really what it was. And that's when you start having the nightmares. You start having the fever dreams

and the way that you can power through it and get over it is you talk to somebody. And that was ultimately the final little moment is him, Miles, coming back and realizing he just needed to talk to his dad. And obviously, he can't tell him he's Spider-Man. But he can be like, I've got girls, I've got school. Like, I just feel like I'm being overwhelmed. I thought that was a beautiful way to address that and to, it reminded me of like, without being as heavy-handed as the G.I. Joe PSAs, it reminded me of a situation of taking a medium that you really like and allowing that to be an avenue to discuss more serious things. I think it's really important for people to feel like it's an approachable thing.

I think mental health was like stigmatized forever. And now it's finally getting to the point where we can make it a little short like this. And I agree that at the time, those PSAs might not have felt as heavy-handed or they might have. But now it's nice to have something that feels like a narrative that just has that as the subtext. It is very clearly the text, but it doesn't feel like it has to be. And Spider-Man is a perfect character for that because he's young. He's got a lot going on. The whole thing about Spider-Man is he's more interesting when he's like the underdog that has the world on his shoulders.

and Winston and I were talking about how with Spider-Sense you'd feel paranoid and you'd feel like the world was coming at you on top of the world coming at you. And so I think it's a great character to deal with anxiety and Spider-Man with his family is so important. This Spider-Man, Miles, as Spider-Man. Miles Spider-Man, his family is so intrinsic to what makes the character special. And I really think that the conversation with his dad is something that can help other kids feel more connected to their family. And I think that's going to be a big part of Beyond the Spider-Verse where what is Miles without his dad? dad. What is, you know, the loss of Uncle Ben led to Spider-Man and Aunt May helped be a support network. The loss of Uncle Aaron helped Miles in our universe, but what's it like when Uncle

Aaron becomes a father figure? So it's what the people in your life bring out of you and what it's like to open up to them. And I think more people need to be able to talk to people. I think the internet would be a lot less dangerous place. And I think that the pop culture world and the real world to be a lot less dangerous place. And people just talk to each other a little more. Yeah. In real life especially. Well, I like to, they are especially covering it from the age range that he's in too because the stuff that you're going through at that age and all the different

And how big it feels? Yeah, exactly. He ain't even got to pay bills yet. He don't even know. But when you're that age, I remember feeling bigger about homework than I do about bills now and that's saying something.

On the scale of things, we can have the macro zoom out lens. But when you're like 16 and you got three hours of homework that feels worse. Yeah. That overwhelm or a girl didn't talk to you or like you, you know,

you made a mistake. Yeah, everything feels like an 11. Whereas now everything feels like a 10.5. Right. No, it's true. It's true. That's what she said. That one was okay.

That wasn't bad. That wasn't bad. Redemption. That was real. That was a real lot. By the end of this episode, I will have my redemption. I got it. The Michael Scott redemption.

Yes. Okay, listen to me. We got some other stuff to talk about here. You should check out that. If you haven't watched that short, you definitely should. It's an important one, and it's really good. And it plays into it. I don't know where it fits in the timeline of it all.

Has to me before. Probably between movie one and two. Which makes sense. Okay, let's get to this one. Let's talk about the Thunderbolts. It looks like it's an actual real movie, guys. Florence Pugh shares a set video revealing Yelina's new look, logo, and first footage. Mother F's.

Black Widow and Hawkeye star, Florence Pugh has shared a video from the set of Thunderbolts, and something tells us she might land herself in real trouble with Marvel Studios for this. Oh, really? Josh Wilding says, Dune Part 2, Florence Pugh has taken to Instagram to share the first video from the set of Marvel Studio's Thunderbolts. In this surprising, revealing sneak peek, the actress takes us on tour the movie's set showing off her new look. Her hair is quite a bit shorter than it was in Hawkeye on a suit, which appears to have some sort of yellow logo on the shoulder. Pugh also reveals Thunderbolt's new logo on the back of director Jake Schreer's chair before cheekily showing off

a few frames of footage from the 2025 release as Yelena strikes a familiar pose by pulling a gun out on someone. We're sure that Marvel Studios approved it, but if not, she could be in trouble. A pretty impressive set can also be seen if you weren't excited about this one before. We have a feeling that the set video will leave you a little more intrigued about what's to come when this team finally assembles. Thunderbolts doesn't boast a comic accurate version of the group, which is typically comprised of supervillains, but with the century in play, it seems like the movie would be a crucial new entry to the Multiverse saga. It was recently reported that neither President Thunderbolt Ross nor Timot. Two key factors in next year's Captain America

a brave new world will factor into Thunderbolts despite previous claims to the contrary. This means that the team won't include Red Hulk either as a Thunderbolt or even as inspiration between the Groves Moniker. Anyway, instead, the Thunderbolts are supposedly named after Elina Bolovas' childhood soccer team.

Really? I don't love that. I don't. That doesn't... Why? Thunderbolts confirms cast members, including... Why do they make these changes now? I that's a really weird one too that's stupid that's such a and and that's the kind of joke that

feels like what we don't like like and I feel like if we're not alone in that I feel like it's a very like sophomoric joke it takes a little weight out but why not just it's based off of I thought about Ross yeah why why aren't you doing why wouldn't you what's weird to me is like

if he didn't exist in the universe right but since he does then I'll give you that but he literally is being referred to in Captain America Captain America. Why would you do? Why? I hope that's not true.

It's just a sentence in an article. I hope this is a click-bady article, man, somewhere. It's based on her soccer team? Why? Oh, dude. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Did she say this? Is that what this?

No, they reported, I guess it reported through a leak. I don't know. Because then maybe if she said it, maybe she's dicking around. I don't know if she said it, because that would be a terror. Like, it's not a whole team based on like a joke. But why are you changing? It's just because the Avengers that's why I don't like the agents of shield choice to bring Colson back because it negates that they needed something to avenge This would be worse than that

The only thing I could see happening is if all of a sudden they're getting their asses with because sentries involved and red Hulk does come in and so like we're being bait and switched right now and then they go If it's a joke of like oh, I have this great team that I love the thunderbolts and it's like well they just call me thunderbolt if you're gonna do something like that But if you're fully gonna negate because you're already changing a lot like And I know it's a different universe, a different continuity, but Zemo runs the Thunderbolts in the beginning, and that's a character that's already introduced. So if you're getting rid of Zemo origin and the... I thought it was Osborne.

That's later. Zemo's the later iteration. Zmo's the first one, and it's like Justice, like Lightning Thunderbolts and all that stuff. Mark Bagley-Arts, beautiful. But if you change both, if you've got Zemo and you've got Thunderbolt Ross, and you get rid of all of it, then how is it even the Thunderbolt? They're villains.

It's a bait and switch. Zemo, Thunderbolt Ross. If you get rid of every element of being the Thunderbolts, then what's left that makes it Thunderbolt? See, I okay with a few changes, but I'm all. Literally imagining now, like the Legion of Doom, and it's like, no, no, no, no, no, no. I really love the team Doom.

They're a Dodgeball team, so we're going to beat the Legion of them. Like, why? Just, just, what? I hope this is wrong, so this just changed my expectations. This would be quite a bit if it's true. Because if that's okay with them, then what other things are going to be able to play.

That seems like what Marvel's been doing in general. That seems like what they were doing before this big shift. Remember it? It felt like they were all kind of course correcting. If this is what Jody Foster was talking about, the biofrey. I've seen Kristen Stewart here. Right now.

Well, let's see. Who knows? What do you guys think about the name change in general? What do you think about the stuff that they showed? Watch the video. We're just upset. We didn't watch the video. What do you think about the actual video itself?

Did you think that it did the excitement actually work? Or did we take too much out of this thing? Who cares about the name? Also good marketing on their part by having her to a set visit. It shows practical sets. It shows. Clearly she was approved. Clearly.

But it's smart of them to do something like this, Especially with a star coming off of Dune. And it also gets people talking about it because nobody even knows what this movie is, but she's a big enough star that people start. How did we not read that article? We would have been excited. We would have been excited about this. But it's relevant. No, it is.

It's just funny because we haven't heard about it. But little things like that, you have this movie. You're getting people excited about why are you changing the time? Why are you changing the name of the team? It's like, there's no reason to do that. And that's like, what's the point of it? Is it the point because like, well, we don't want to, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's Harrison, he's the villain now. We don't want to basically.

And there's exceptions like the defenders on Netflix made sense because it was their way to distinguish from the Avengers that are defenders. They're defending New York. Like that name makes sense. But if we're changing the name from Thunderbolt Ross to a soccer team, that feels a little demoralizing. All right. Anyway, listen, that's it. Put your comments in there.

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