The Kristian Harloff Show - The Batman Hype Is So Real. I Mean So Real with Steve Zaragoza

Episode Date: January 20, 2022

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started having conversations and we did that thing that most people do. Say, same for the show. Same for the show. I can't wait to talk to Steve. I've known Steve for a while. We've always run into each other when we do, it's like, it's one of those friendships that when you see somebody, do you talk to them all the time? No, maybe not as much as you as you want to, right? But when you do, you can't stop talking to each other. We'll run it, we'll run into each other somewhere and we'll geek out, whatever the hell it might be. It could be Star Wars. It could be whatever. We just talked about how incapable we are, except anything, putting our stupid faces on camera and talking into microphones. And we're talking about a lot of that today. I want to see what he's up to, man. This guy's super funny, super talented. And to just bullshit, we could be, like as I mentioned, I, I, I, I, I, I,

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And that's because of you guys keep on doing that, whether you watch it on YouTube's or not. All right, enough with me. Steve Zaragoza coming in hot, ladies and gentlemen, it's the big thing. What's up, everybody? Welcome back. It's a big thing. Another digital show.

Hey. Well, I'm excited today because I get to talk to my pal, Steve, and I'm going to stop talking about Steve. I'm just going to bring Steve in. So there he is. Ladies and gentlemen, is Steve Zaragoz. Oh, wait. Who's he talking about?

Hang, I got to do the stupid show. Hey, what's up, man? Hey. It's not very nice, do you. I know. It was such a nice intro. You were so nice. And then I was like, what's a funny thing I can do when I come in here?

Don't worry. I'll insult you enough at the time the show is over. Yeah, no. It's a pleasure to have you, man. We even talked in a bit. Yeah, man. And you know, it's so funny because everything, first of all, thank you for having me. And I, you know, we've been, we've been friends for quite a while.

and but and and you know we've we've like worked together we've like done all sorts of stuff together and uh you know we just have never been able to kind of just like sit and bullshit and just bullshit yeah because what we do do you know the last time i can tell you the last time we did that i want to see if you can guess and it's actually probably the first time i met you can you can you can you guess was there some kind of like schmodeown i mean there was definitely a schmowdown but i don't think that was it. I know that that wasn't where I met you. I can tell you where I met you. Okay, where did you meet me?

Remind me. I did a Star Wars show. Before I did Jedi Council, I did a Star Wars show called Far Far Away and Tiffany Smith introduced them. I was just going to mention Tiffany Smith, name drop. Yes. Name drop. Yeah, and we got to talk about Star Wars. We did. We were just talking Star Wars. I was before everybody and their mother did a Star Wars podcast. I did far far away

and it turned to Jedi Council. but we it was I do as I do like as I said I'm part of the mothership now because I also do another Star Wars show but this one I have kind of gone back to the roots of far far away where it's very similar to this where it's just it's less of that panel show and you've known you've been part of the panel show so oh yeah it's less of the panel show and it's more about I think what because you're one of the YouTube guys man you're one of the ones that really were part of this thing to watch the explosion happen and I think tell me if I'm wrong here I feel that what happened was when at least least when Mark and I got into doing Schmo's No in 2008, it was all about the YouTuber and the connection with the audience and to the camera conversation. And then something happened in that sphere from like 2013 to like 2018 where the nerdists and the IGNs and the and the colliders and the screen junkies, the corporate side of it started to get into it and it got popular for a bit. And then the audience and said, nah, we want to see you guys talking to the camera again. And then that happened to exploit.

Do you feel the same? Yeah. It's been really hard to kind of like pinpoint a lot of, a lot of where things changed. But it's so funny that you mentioned 2013, 2014, because, yeah, because it's right around then when studios and big companies started to take notice of the momentum of the YouTube world and how there was like some big money there.

And it took a little while for people to kind of see that. And then studios and stuff started throwing money at YouTube channels and stuff. And then that's when kind of you saw a big explosion of a lot of different content. Disney bought maker back in the day. Yeah, that was so huge. You remember that? Massive. That was a big thing.

Yeah. All that stuff was going down. And it was like all the people that had got in early enough were like making money and, and figuring it. Yeah. And they're like the pioneers. Yeah, and it felt like, okay, so there's just this really easy formula you have to follow. And as long as you have like a little bit of a personality, you could make this thing work.

And that's what a lot of that stuff relied on for a long time. Like crypto. Yeah, it is like crypto. Isn't it funny? All these trends kind of come and go and you're like, well, I could have seen this shit coming. Yeah. You know, and everyone's just like, man, I shoulda, shoulda, coulda what? Everyone's got their like uncle who had a crypto.

a wallet full of, you know, it's always, it's always the crazy uncle until the crazy uncle because I was the crazy uncle because that was, right, right. I was the crazy uncle around when I was, because I remember Mark and I were, were just around the standup. I started at the comedy story. That was my place. And, and that's how I met Mark. And we were doing YouTube reviews. And I remember it was almost like to my wife's friends, my girlfriend at the time, I was like the alcoholic boyfriend. It was like, is he okay? Is he okay? He's doing YouTube videos. Is it going to be all right?

He was working at a studio and now he's doing... Yeah. Yeah. Dude, it was the same exact wording for me and my friends and family because I worked at Sony Pictures for like five years doing like sound design work and then I worked in their video team and shit. And I really lucked into that job. And it was nice.

And I had like, you know, health insurance and like a 401k, whatever that was at the time. And I had all this like nice cushy shit. And then this YouTube opportunity came along. And at that point, I had been so done with like the corporate environment. And I was bursting at the seams with like comedy juice and like entertainer juice. And everyone was like, what the hell are you doing behind a desk and a desk? cubicle you need to go be an energetic bastard on screen somewhere and then i took a youtube job and all of my friends were like dude what the fuck are you doing man like you're leaving this like

good job this good corporate studio job yeah to go be a goofball on a youtube oh dude it was the same i worked i worked for when i was working at warner brothers working for joel silver at the time damn but remember that the thing that was even crazier then is right now you know the business well enough too that it's if a production company gets like one movie off the ground a year that's a good thing usually it could be hopefully within one or two years they get one or maybe two movies off the ground right right right totally not in the development side no silver was doing dark castle and silver pictures at the same time plus the oh shit bullshit that they had whatever and that and so there were there were probably anywhere between three to five movies that could come out in a year

for silver right with dark castle of course and i was working i was getting piss money. I was getting like maybe 5.50 a week. But weren't you like loving just being there? You were like, I don't give a shit how much you pay me. No. Not at all. Oh no, you were. Miserable.

Yeah, but why did you do it? I'll tell you for two reasons. The one reason was that it was exactly what you're saying. The connections that I still have to this day, the people that I met, the understanding of the business in general was like going to school. Oh, yeah, dude. In hindsight.

Big time. in hindsight, but during, remember, making five or 550 working for two dudes who were busy, like they were so cheap at the company, not the two dudes, but the business themselves, Joel and the money paying 550 for two, I was, I was a system for two guys at a heavy level rate. They all had movies coming in, rates, things I had to deal with. So I got to a point where I was like, look, I'm going to leave. I got a split to like one dude.

and I started working with my buddy David Gambino, who I'm still friends with, I'm still friends with, and running Robert Danny Jr.'s company, right? This guy, but... Holy shit. Tight. Susan Down, he was the,

ran the whole thing, who's Robert's wife. It was a great experience in hindsight because of the stuff, and I met good friends. But yeah, dude, it was... It was... Yeah.

Well, yeah, I mean, I... Yeah, I could say a lot of terrible things about the corporate experience, the studio system experience, but I choose to kind of hang on to all that good stuff. It's better man than me. Yeah. I mean, you know, because that's the thing.

It's like, you know, you worked your ass off to fill someone else's pocketbook. Right. And you really were like a helpful person probably. And you probably did great work. Like, you know, I need to see how far away I am from certain NDAs. But, you know, there's a lot of places where you put your heart and soul into it and you feel like it's for nothing. But that's what you're like. 20s are four, you know, your 20s and early 30s.

Once you're past your 30s, you know, the hope is that you're not doing that anymore. You're like somewhere a little bit healthier. Well, you get to that cliff, the cliff with the safe jump. It's like, should I do the jump, which ultimately for us turned out to be a safe jump, but you don't know that at the time. It's a big risk. Everyone has to, everyone, you're right. That jump is a big moment for a lot of people.

It's like, you know, some of you listen. thing might even be at that point where you're like, man, I'm at a fork in the road in my life. And I'm like, is this a decision that's going to ruin my life or help my life? And nobody knows and nobody can help you. And it's literally on you and no one else to make the decision. And it's fucking terrifying. And everyone's scared when they do it. And it just so happens that sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

But I'll tell you this, Christian. And I'll tell you this, listeners, whoever's listening to this right now, mom it's worth it it's worth it to take the plunge even if it doesn't work out because what's the alternative you're stuck in the little rat wheel the little hamster wheel you got to also I'm still taking jumps you know I'm still you have to I'm still taking jumps and like I as I mentioned the beginning of this I'm been telling people that are new to it I was I had I started this channel this one that we're on right now like about four or five months ago right and as I'm telling some people

and you know Steve you've been through this journey many times like Mark Ellis and I when we started Schmoe is in a different landscape in YouTube at the time it took us around two to three years to get to around 25,000 subscribers right? We have reached 33,000 in this channel in four months and that's from nothing right? Like that's from nothing.

Yeah. Yeah that's a huge deal man that's huge because most people work forever and ever and never get there and but you guys never gave up and that's that was that was part of the but it goes into what you were just telling people you got it you've it's it's a matter of taking a jump and sometimes and i can tell you from personal experience that jump is not always easy because the first jump if we're talking about like when you and i work in for studio systems saying to our friends and family i'm going to do this easier to do for me anyway because at the time i was just going up and another reason why i was it was more of a hard experience because i would work at silver from i would go in around like eight thirty nine in the morning get off around seven p.m and drive to the comedy and store drive to those places and I'm not not get the bed the old hustle the old hollywood hustle 20s at the time right I don't have two kids I'm not married so like it's easier for me to go what no one's who cares what I do I can do whatever the hell I want to do as opposed to

now if I tell my wife you know I'm going to quit my job and just do stand up full time she's like who who's there's another human here that will be that will be at the receiving end of that decision not just you and how's the dog going to eat you are you telling you Yon Jaka's a Harkah Club. Right, right. Yeah. But I've never regretted, like, you know, and you could regret a lot of decisions in your life, whatever. It's normal to have regrets or whatever, but everybody's got regrets or whatever.

But, you know, the big giant leaps we're talking about, you know, it's best to just find the good stuff that came out of those jumps, even if it wasn't. Because you can't, otherwise, again, you're just living in that gloom and doom and doom. and it's helpful to just. So for me, it's like every jump I've made, whether it was a bad decision or not at the end of the day, I still don't regret it because those jumps are like big growing moments for you that everybody needs. Otherwise, you're just this stagnant little cartoon character that's like never,

never changes and that's not good. It's true, but I do want to ask you, though, when you were working at the studio, you decided, hey, I'm going to get the hell out of here. I'm going to do my own thing. People are telling you got to get your ass on camera. and then you wind up, like you said, working for YouTube. Now, how did you get involved with source fed, Phil, all those guys?

Was that something that happened from the beginning or did it start at a different place and then jump to, you know, then eventually lead to that? How did that all come to wait? So while I was at Sony, I was like, I mean, I've always been like a goofy boy making jokes and being a weirdo and a loud, obnoxious weird person. That's why we get along. Exactly. I know exactly And you know

I would just hear from my my coworkers That it was that And even before the Sony job Like I worked a lot of retail jobs and shit like that And people are like what the hell are you doing here You gotta be on TV You got all these funny opinions and shit And you make people laugh

And you make people comfortable And that's like a crazy combination That you should be utilizing in the entertainment world And I've always wanted to do entertainment shit So even working at the studio in a non-entertainer position, but in still, like, working in the system and feeling like you were a part of the system,

I felt like I was as close as I was going to get. So I was, like, taking what I could get at the time and also not feeling super confident about doing anything other than that, because, you know, I didn't go to college. I didn't graduate high school. Like, I dropped out of all of this shit. I'm just kind of like a big, weird loser

that somehow managed to, like, make his squeeze his, way into the studio system. That's the thing. That's the whole hold that thought, but I, but it shows you the power of words. It's totally. You're a phenomenal talker and you're funny. You're really good in the room. You got that personality. It doesn't surprise me. And I'm sure that that's what did it for you. Dude, being good in the room and thank you first of all. And I'm, I've learned to kind of accept that part of myself. And then, you know, and that's a helpful thing too when you see your strengths and then accept when people are telling you what your strengths are. And it aligns with what your strengths are.

And then you accept it. It's all good, healthy stuff that everybody should, you know, get to at some point. Hey, try out confidence for it, for a change.

People out there, why don't you try on that confidence hat? Amazing, yeah. And see what it feels like for a second. It's real nice. Funny, yeah,

it's nice. But the energy in the room is so important. And, and you know, Christian and I, as when you said in the beginning of the show, you were like, every time we bump into each other,

we end up kind of just rambling on about all this different shit. and nerd out about all this shit. And so this is really going to be tangential and jump around. But when you said energy in the room, that's such a funny, important thing about the industry that people don't really talk about. You know, because there's charisma.

You can think about an actor like Will Smith, who apparently has this golden charisma that, and because he is just this very charismatic person. And that's so important. important in the room because people are like, oh, that charisma is going to translate to a good work, a good actor or a good comedian or whatever. And so, you know, this is so tangential. But it's about Star Wars kind of because inevitably we're always going to get to Star Wars. But as our humble begin, our meat cute was a Star Wars thing. So we might as well swim in the Star Wars pool.

But I remember watching the prequels semi recently and having a very strong opinion about them. And especially Hayden Christensen, who is a divisive person in the Star Wars zeitgeist, if you will. I think it used to be. Okay. So yeah, totally used to be. But for me, I don't know if I've ever lost it because I didn't really. and see and this is where so I had to kind of like stop doing like movie stuff and movie opinion stuff like I'm trying I miss it because I love it so much but anytime I would talk about movie shit I

piss off so many fucking people and you know this yeah last you know this last Jedi you might as well said well how do you know they storm the capital it's yeah it's such a hot button But I remember I was talking to some friends. And I was like, why the fuck did they choose Hayden Christensen to be Anakin? Yeah. Like why?

Of all the actors in all the world. And we got some heavy fucking hitters in the early 2000s. So Leo first. I mean, come on, dude. Like imagine Leonardo Caprio. I mean, being directed by George Lucas, which would be kind of. but look Harrison Ford did it

but look this is this is what I'm going to say about Hayden Christensen tell me what you're going to say about Hayden Christensen and then I'll tell you how it pertains to this tell me that first tell me that first well no because like very quickly I just I just press the question

why Hayden Christensen and a friend of mine who is who works in the industry and has worked with some of these folks in the Disney world and in the Star Wars world it's Hayden Christensen it was Hayden Christensen It was Hayden Christensen.

He said to me, he said, the rumor is, is that Hayden Christensen blew everyone the fuck away in the room. I don't know if you've heard this or knew this. I heard that he had a rhinoceros penis. That's what I heard. So this might be some like exclusive insider goss. He had a huge penis and that's what it was. No, but I've heard from people who were like who might know. that apparently the word is

is that he blew everyone away in the room and he lit up the room and was this charismatic person in the room and he just commanded the room and that's such an important thing and if that happens and you get that on tape

and you show that to executives and everybody everyone's going to feel that shit and go like absolutely you chose the right guy but then the second they're on screen it's like uh oh I think what you just said there is actually going to further my point that I was going to make.

So I'm glad to heard that part of it because what you have to understand and what is fair to us as viewers is that what we see is what is put on screen. That's what we see. So the interpretation that you get out of Hayden Christians' performance is rightfully in your opinion to say, well, that's what I saw. And here's my opinion on it. I think there's a

thousand other guys they could have got that would have done better than that. Yeah. But the other sign of that is what we don't always look at that we've heard about. George Lucas is notorious, terrible with actors. Yes. Terrible with actors.

So what are I thinking out, George, I just stand there and do it. Just read what's on the page. He doesn't give a shit. All he wanted to do with that point was, say the lines, I'm going to make it look cool. I'm going to make it look like there's a ton of robots

and droids behind you, and that's all we got to do. Meanwhile, here's this kid who is not, who blew away everybody in the room, who thinks he's going to come in and be able to do that, but instead he's brand new to the process.

He doesn't understand, And he's kind of like, when he does this sinister kind of creepy look to Padme in Attack of the Clones, he's like, yes, man, he's like someone needs to tell him, don't do that. He's doing George Lucas. He's doing George Lucas. It's like George R. Martin is what he's doing. You know what, though? Like something tells me that George Lucas was writing all that romance shit and was like, this is so fucking good.

And, and, and, and, but the truth is that it's like when, it's like, when, it. It's like fan fiction. Like it's like, it's like, you know, because George Lucas is like kind of a nerd, right? Like he's a nerd. He's a nerd like we all are. He's just like wrote one of the greatest things ever and changed science fiction forever and fantasy forever. Yeah.

And, and is and will always be in my. And let me just say this. I fucking love George Lucas. I'll always love George Lucas. There was a time where I was upset with him for the decisions that he was making and the things that he was doing, the things that he did to those movies that meant so much to us

the special editions you know the yeah exactly all of that we know everything McClunky like he just hasn't stopped and he just he's just like look one more thing there's an email to Kathleen Kennedy

look I know the deal's done but you gotta throw McClunky in there I had a dream and but anyway I love him so much but I think that he shouldn't be writing romance. And I think it was really cringe when he wrote all that stuff. And I think I have a theory that Hayden Christensen was like playing it in a way that probably really worked and wasn't cringy and weird.

Yeah. And then Lucas was like, let's have dinner. And then they had dinner. And he was like, here's how I want you to approach these scenes. And then he gave him his version of it. And then you're giving him. He said nothing. Yes. And Hayden's like, how was that?

And he's like, I want you to be creepier. George Lucas. Have you heard this portion of my interview with? I know, it's a pleasure to have you, sir. I'm obviously a massive, it's one of everything that you've done. I know you hear that quite often.

But so thank you for joining the show, first and foremost. Try to get the, hold on a second. I've lost some weight during quarantine. You look good. Whoa, that's. Yeah, my wife, Melody, keeps me in shape. Yeah. Well, listen, I heard you guys talking about these new shows.

They're just, they're so great. Yeah, see, that's the thing. Wait, you had George Lucas on this show? Listen, I know that you work very close with Dave Filoni, that he is somewhat of the air apparent. The one person you were like, you were like Yoda to him. And, and I heard and you can deny or not deny that not a massive. fan of the films, but the TV shows, that's, that's more your speed. Yeah, well, it's really, you know, pays homage, as you said, pays tribute to the Joseph Campbell, you know,

mythological idea of the hero's journey and the, obviously, you know, has that lived in world, has that look, has that feel to it. And there's, and there's some really hot, you know, Twylex in there, too. All right. Okay. All right. I was waiting. I was waiting for. That's the great Josh Robert Thompson. Dude, that's great. That sounds just fucking like him. He does. He does, he does, he does, he went, we did a thing.

He was on the show. We did a, he did a thing where, because did you know that, that Morgan Freeman was up for Mace window at one point? I feel like I've heard that. Yeah. So he, he does a spot on Morgan Freeman. Morgan Freeman doing Mace Windoo. Oh, yeah.

It's incredible. So it was, yeah. But I knew you'd get a kick out of that. Yeah, man. I think that that's where it comes down with Hayden Christensen, right? And he is a really talented actor. And I think that you're going to see that in the Obi-Wan series. Dude, I think you're right.

I think you're right. Because when you've seen him directed by other people, you're like, oh, he's good. He's really good. And look, this is where people were like, this is when on your show, people were like, this Steve guy was pretty good until this part. This is the beauty of this show. This show so far and just wait, I guess wait until we hit 50,000 subscribers. The people have been cordial thus far.

And the conversation has been good and it's been great. So please go ahead. Yeah. Well, because you like, you're good guy, Christian. And you're, and you've worked in this industry for a while. And you've done this fan fandom stuff. You've done this nerd world stuff for a very long. time and you have worked to the point where you've curated an audience of mostly at this point

probably respectful people. Like all the shitheads have fallen off to a point, right? Like that's the thing they don't really tell you about when you build these audiences, especially when you build them around something so divisive as fandom, is that you really bring along everybody. And if you do it long enough, you get to a point where you either pit, people off so badly that they leave or you piss them off so badly that they make it their life's work to make you feel like absolute shit forever but you can but you can get to a point

where you're like you don't bother me I don't give a fuck what you say do your own show and then we'll talk and then you get to a point where you're like look this is just my opinion and I'm never going to change and I think if you do that long enough you the people who respect that sticker around. And most of the time, those are people who are respectful of other people's opinions and understand that they're just opinions. I mean, you've reached that point with your audience. Is that fair to say? I think that it's fair to say. And as I, like I mentioned to you, I do think that even having, even though I'm very proud of the fact of where we've grown so far in four or five months, it's still in, as you can attest to, it's a smaller portion of once you get

to a place of, let's say, a million subscribers, right? That's a lot of people. And what I always say is, remember this, that because of the internet, the best person that you've ever interacted with that you would say, not someone in your family, right, but the best human being that you've ever met, that's still in this world, right? They have access to the internet.

Now the worst person in the entire world that you have even met or not met has access to the internet. So what we are the same way with that kind of that understanding of the people that you talk to that you think that, oh, that's a decent human being, people that you would never associate with

because you go, that's a horrible human being. They could comment on your video and you think you're having a casual conversation with them and they just want chaos. And there's also the other side. What I've gone on the other side of that, though, is to also realize I also haven't lived in that person's shoes in the same way that I think that, look, yeah, I've gone through some shit in my life. I don't know if that person has gone through mental trauma.

I don't know if that person has had a, like if I sat down with that person and they told me their life story that at the end of that conversation, I would be like, fuck, I'd be a dick on the internet too after that. Right. You know what I mean? And it's like, right. And it's like, right? Yeah, but you don't know. And it's not an excuse to these people. Right. And isn't it interesting that there's also the ones that, that, that do that. And then you like reply to them and kind of like a respectful way with like a well thought out thing. And and sometimes they respond going like, oh, yeah. I'm sorry I was a piece of shit. Yeah. You know, and it's like, that's all they wanted was just. just like, you know, maybe.

Yeah. And I think they wanted to connect with someone. And that was the way they knew how to connect, which isn't the good, it's not a good thing, but, you know, and it's not our job to curate a good conversation with someone,

with every single person on the, on the planet. But we're going to do our best and be like, look, we're nerds. We love shit. You may love the prequels. I might not love the prequels,

but we love Star Wars just the same at the end of the day. and if you can accept that and can hang with that, then you can come sit with us. You know what it was, though, Steve, too? I think that would happen in specifically with like Star Wars, and this is why I mentioned this before, the problem with, and it's not just Star Wars, it's fandoms in general, I think,

that what has happened over the course of the last five, six years, the problem is that, and it mentioned like something like the prequels, when that was 10, 15, 20 years ago, and you said you didn't like it, there was a conversation, well, why he didn't like it, blah, blah, I don't like the prequel, do like the prequels. And it, it, the conversation could get cordial or you don't like this movie is because, right? In the last five or six years, it, it really has gotten political,

um, in the way that if you like that movie, it's because you're following, and just this particular example, you're following the radical left or, oh, that's why everything, of course you like that movie, because, because of the, the woke agenda and because of this and because of that. And then if you, if you, if you like, oh, you're not on, you're not on, you don't like that movie. Well, clearly it's because you have a racist point of view, you're this. Right. Or you're dumb or you don't get it. You don't get it. And it's like, and it's these two conflicting like we're right, you're wrong. And the politics have crossed over into fandom. And it's like, yeah,

it becomes tough because it's so, I mean, the political landscape is like so I saw something recently. And you know, you hear it's the punch of ship, but like America is the closest that it's ever become into going into a civil war. Not in a way that back in you with people meeting on a field than battling, but in the scary kind of ways you used to see in Ireland and shit like that, right? And that's the kind of place that we're in right now. That does transfer over to pop culture. People don't know, it's not, it's not, it's different. It's not different.

It all transfer over because those same people who are arguing about political stuff, they're watching movies. They're watching TV and they think that people making it are the bad guys or the people who don't like it are the bad guys. And that's where those comments also come into play. Oh, totally. And that's just a percentage of a percentage. of a smaller percentage of a smaller percentage of a smaller

percentage and when you're talking about like an audience that you've curated based around pop culture it is just only a small percentage of the large amount of people so there's like and then there's just everybody in between there's the people that like are respectful and love it that are great and engaging and they feel like they're hanging out with their friends which are the best of the best and then there's the ones that are just like you know, maybe a little creepy and you make people uncomfortable,

but they're doing their best and we still accept them and love them. I like to, I just can't, I like to cut. Put it back in your pants and we said no. I recently, I recently observed that there are people who, do you remember the weird kid in the public pool?

I mean, from personal history or something? Yeah, from personal. history. Do you remember being in a public? There's always that weird kid. Is he pissed on there? What's he doing? Yeah, yeah. Exactly. Okay, so my thing is, is that

there are some adults who give off the weird kid in the pool vibe and that and that transfers into adulthood and that and there's those people in the in the fandom too. And so you just get you get to a point. Go ahead, go ahead.

Oh no, go ahead. But it's, it is why I moved to California. you though i actually came out of here to be able to piss in the ocean that's yeah finally everybody everybody does you always feel like you get in away with something yeah the fish do it why can't i do it um sharks take them dump in there absolutely it's their toilet we're just hanging out in their toilet but like uh yeah so so uh for with the fandom and things like that it's like uh you know we know we know where all that stuff is and we've gotten to a point in our lives where we've chosen our bet we pick our battles maybe a little bit more carefully

when you get to a point where you've had all the conversations you can possibly have about the prequels and yet we can still talk about them forever and ever. But anyway, we can move on. We could talk about other shit. Yeah, but that was fun. I mean, that's, that's, and well, I guess transitions into it. Have you been watching any of the Star Wars or Marvel shows?

Are you, are you, are you? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so where do you want to start? Because I watched, I watched all the Marvel shows except, I haven't watched Hawks. guy i'm all right so i'm not going to be able to to find out yet what i think that i'll give you my ranking of the shows okay but that doesn't but that doesn't mean we'll be on the same page my my ranking of the shows from marvel are loki at number one number two i got uh wandavision number three

falcon winter soldier and then four is uh hawkeye um that being said i did like hawkeye i just the tone for me um that a lot of people what they really liked about it does have that Christmas feel. They're trying to go for the Shane Black thing, which is, which is fun. And there's, there's just a couple things that I found were a little goofy.

Um, that didn't play as much. So I, I think we're kind of, we're similar. So I, uh, I love Loki,

man. Loki's definitely my favorite of the series, the Marvel series so far. Um, I had so much fun with it, man. And I loved how bonkers it was. And I actually feel like,

so WandaVision was awesome too. But is it weird that I love? liked Falcon and Winter Soldier more than Wanda Vision. Have you heard this opinion, though? Dude, you hear so many different opinions for what. It is a matter of like why. And I think that very similar, but, but not as dramatic maybe as for why certain people comment the way they do.

Like this is why our opinions are always different. We're like, oh, you're wrong in your opinion. No, you're not because I don't watch movies the same way you do. Right. I'm not in your brain. I don't, we didn't have the same life experiences of why certain things. Like I just,

we're doing a rewatch series of Batman. right and I rewatch the 89 Batman like I'm I'm older than you are but I had an opportunity to see Batman 89 in the theater right and that was like a major event so when I rewatched it again it was very nostalgic for me and certain memories came back up and certain things of being remember being in a comic book shop like getting the good old days and just blending it and it added to the experience again that you're not going to have that same experience watching that movie you know and don't you think that that helped you and in a way gave you a bit of a bias a hundred And that's what I mean is that I where people now might see that movie and go, it's a little dated. It has this. But you don't know. I was around. I knew like the impact of what that movie did. I think that's where the prequels are too.

I think the prequels are very, especially at this point. Because those new appreciation for the prequel. See, a lot of people do. And for me, it's like I have a new appreciation for the phantom menace. Yeah. Okay. Because I remember seeing the phantom menace in like when it came out. I was, I didn't stay overnight in front of the.

theater but I was there very early in the morning and was in a big line with people and then when we saw it we had tickets for the next showing right after it and I was like what did I just see I was so confused I didn't love it and then I watched it again and was like oh no why don't I love this and then I struggled with that for the next 30 years and then or however many years later and then and so I've always kind of just disliked it and then when the other ones came out, I felt like they were each worse than than the one before it. And I was like really upset. And I got, uh, I became a really jaded Star Wars nerd. But it'd been in the past like five years of my, what's that? It happened to a lot of people. Oh yeah. Yeah. It really did.

And a lot of people didn't come around and I feel like I haven't really come around. But I came around on the phantom menace because after these new ones came out, uh, which I also have different, probably different opinions on than a lot of people, but I, uh, I enjoyed most of them. I don't think I'm, I'm, I like them less and less. Um, yeah, as time goes on. Yeah. Um, not to detract from your point, but the fact, the, the, because I, we did all these

rewatches for those as well leading up to, um, like the, the series that are coming out. And the, I really like the Force Awakens when I saw it in the theater, but when you watch it now, it's so disappointing knowing what comes next. Because it's everything that's set up. And The Last Jedi is very similar to what you were talking about with Phantom Menace. First time I saw it, I said, what the hell did I just watch? Yeah. I tried to convince myself that I really liked it.

It even said, oh, yeah, this is, it is really good made. It's a good film. But to me, it doesn't, it gets worse and worse as a Star Wars film every time I watch it. And the Rise of Skywalker is just eating cotton candy until. You know what's interesting is like, I agree with that. I agree with it. And I still have like a weird, like distaste for Luke throwing. the lightsaber over his shoulder.

And I still can't get over it. And I keep thinking like, man, but all I've ever wanted from Star Wars is for people to start taking like bigger chances and taking us away from desert planets and things like that. Right. But you know what? And I have so much to say about BobaFed. I absolutely love it too.

But man, it's so crazy how we can't get the fuck away from Tatooy. We're going right back there with Obi-Wi. We're going right back. It's like, I'm so sick of the desert planets. Apparently now, but look, there's new parts of Tatooine. You can go to a power of the bike shop if you want to get new speeders.

Get some candy red swoop bikes. But, but like, you know, man, it's so funny because you've got a whole galaxy and beyond full of like any kind of planet you could possibly imagine. Like you look through Etsy or not Etsy. Well, sure, you could look through Etsy or, or, like, like, you know, the, the latest art places where you can see where people's art is. And you see, like, concept artists. And you see, like, uh, like, you know, people who are like aspiring, uh, industry

professionals that make like backgrounds and planets and creatures and things. And you're like, there is an endless bag of an incredible art out there. And yet we keep seeing the same shit. in in sci-fi and fantasy and everything. And it's like all you got to do is do a search through any of the latest, like, artist profiles. And you're like, dude, why aren't these people making movies? It's so crazy.

Because the problem is it's what the audience has. It's comfort. Yeah. But it's also IP-driven stuff. People get scared. Totally. It's the difference with the movie business and how the movie business and it's right. Because I've shifted.

I mean, hell, Mark Ellis and I started Shmo. There's no movies, right? And I, I beat the drum now about how I think TV is way more of a satisfying narrative for overall story. And it's definitely for Star Wars, but for, but for a lot of different things because the, you get to take more time with the characters, you get to spend more time. And the point that I've been hammering down more is that as we, you and I are talking here about how the fandom kind of changed got angry. One of the reasons, like if you look at, let's say the Force Awakens to the Last Jedi in that time period,

when the Force Awakens came out, everybody was happy. it's a new movie three years past after that there are some people who say it was a rehash but for the most part fan base is happy three years happened or two years happens and then the next movie comes out or rogue one it'd come around you know everybody's still happy but two years you get time to wait inside that happiness and then last Jedi comes out and people are pissed off and now it's now it's a battle for for people who are pissed and people who are trying to defend it then solo comes out and solo each shit. So now you have two years to sit in it before Rise of Skywalker comes out, as opposed to television. I didn't love this last episode of Boba Fett. I like the show very much, but okay,

I don't like the third episode. I only got to wait a week. Yeah, and then there's, and then you'll forget all about it. What's Rancourt and Danny Trejo going to do next? That's all I care. Yeah, I want that series. That's good. Rejo, yeah, Danny Trejo and the Rancor. That's all I want. You always kind of funny about that episode, though, that I don't know how you mention it. I was like, man, okay, so you're going to give the Rancourt, like I liked it, by the way. And we can talk about what we liked it, didn't like about it if you want.

The whole damn thing. I love the whole thing, the whole thing. And the reason why is because I was like, sure, why the fuck not? We will get our lost boys in there and we'll get them on shiny, colorful. You get Rufio. We got wheels. We got the Burger King Kids Club. Everyone's there.

And it's great. And I'm like, you know what? Who gives a fuck? Sure. Why the fuck not? We'll give Boba Fed his little lost boys team and why not. And it'll be great. And maybe they'll get their own spin-off.

And that's another show I don't have to watch or could watch if I don't want, if I want to. It's the beauty of having a subscription. You just say, no. Yeah, you don't have to. You don't have to do anything. You don't have to do anything. You don't need to cancel these subscription. He's got, I'm not watching this one.

No, no. But there was one moment in the episode, which I thought was interesting. And I think it's, you know, there's a lot of fan service. shit going on all the time. And it's like, let's bring, sure. At this point, I'm like, if you can do it in a way that doesn't feel like it's

forced, then I'm on board. Like the rancor thing was really close. Because I was like in the episode before they did that joke where they dropped the guy down into the rancor pit and then there wasn't a rancor. And it was like, cool

man. And I'm like, Boba Fett is going to have this whole new way of running things. There doesn't have to be a rancor. There doesn't have to be, uh, you know, like a Bib Fortuna, even though I guess the robot kind of is, but, uh, the Matt Barry robot. But, uh, you know, you don't need all the things Java had and you don't need all this recognizable shit for us to understand that he's the new Java and that's what the whole show's about, uh, so far. But, you know, then they bring the rancor in and you're like, all right, fine. I have, sure, why not? Let's have a fucking rancor. Like I could have done it.

I didn't need a rancor. I got to be honest. I love the rancor. Big creature puppet, big Phil Tippett fan. Love the fucking rancor so much. Like trust me, dude, I fucking love rancor. But we didn't need him. We didn't need it.

I want to see, I want to revisit you though, because when Boba Fett rides in on that motherfucker. I know, I know. Okay, but see, okay. But you're not sending it. Okay. Okay. Yeah, that's the point. So like, now that we have the Rancor, it's like, okay, sure, I'm on board.

They got real close to making me go like, all right, fine. Now we're going to get a band in there in the Jawa's Palace, and then it's going to be like Java's Palace. Whatever, if that's what they do, then whatever. So now I'm on board with Rancourt, but it was interesting how when they were down in like the pit and they had Danny Trejo down there,

and they gave us that whole like, you know, a new canon for Rancor's, guess because there was an old canon yeah about rancors and where they came from and there's a lot of games wasn't there like a game where you go to rancor planet and you like i remember that in knights of the republic you could you had to battle them at one point you had to fight one or something yeah yeah uh but anyway there was all this old canon and i don't know how much they're borrowing from it for this new one but they're all they're establishing this new thing that like rankors are like

are smarter and and uh more emotional than we thought and they have like feelings and they're like like big puppies now at this point. And I'm like, but I think he still wants to be locked up in a dungeon or? But I thought that. To that return of the Jedi scene where you understood why the trainer much more of a connection with them, which I love.

And I think that's great. And I love like instantly when Danny Trejo didn't leave after the like the Jaba's or the twins left. Yeah. You're like, oh fuck. Treyho's the new Rancore keeper. that's so cool and now we're gonna fucking treho be the rancourt keeper love it on board but i just thought it was so funny that they're trying to like make this emotional thing out of this rancor but it's like

but you're still like enslaving it like you're still in a cage you're still enslaving it no bobefet lets everybody go so it probably let him go too yeah well yeah i guess i guess so we're talking about we both agree that bobafebett has the worst security in the world absolutely taken asleep and now somehow the wookie comes in like Ethan Hunt style. Yeah, the biggest wookie that has ever existed. My favorite is.

Well, you know, the huts knew the secret passageway. I'm like seven foot wookie guard in the back to tank. The two pigs? I know. The most vulnerable place in the entire palace. The back to tank at night.

All hanging out when he's doing the bear I mean, you know, and you could from a fan perspective be like, yeah, but Boba Fett's a badass and they're not going to let anything bad happen to him. And he's like expecting danger at every moment. And honestly, like his whole Boba Fett's like entire life has probably been one eye open, sleeping with one eye open like forever, you know? He's like the master of that. So maybe at this point he's like, I don't give a fuck who sneaks up on me. I'm ready for a fight whenever it happens. But still, but for someone that's the new. guy of Tatooine it's like get some fucking guards bro man is that's my favorite it's like you're the charge of the family who's the family you the two pigs and the robot I'll get the Power Rangers gang

and we got a squad right right all right let's try to move out of Star Wars I know it's hard on us but um so the other thing is all you're talking about the Marvel show so you got um so Loki loved Loki and then Wanda Vision was a really promising in the beginning

yeah and then I felt like it kind of became I was like, man, they're doing some really unique stuff that they would never be able to do in the movies, probably. And you think they fell into the Marvel trope at the end? Yeah. Yeah. And I think Loki didn't. Yeah. Loki set the rules for everything.

If you watch like No Way Home and all that, it set the rules. Because, yeah, because eventually it was like, all right, we got our big battle. We got our big world's going to end shit. And it was like, Loki did it too. it like stuck with the unique weirdness of that world they created. And with,

with Wanda Vision, they like stepped outside of it. And then, and for me, and I get why like a lot of people probably liked that. But I wanted to kind of live in that weird TV world

and just kind of let that be the most of the meat of the show. But I know what it was? I don't, I understand the point. I really enjoyed the show, but I understand the point because the way that I compared

that show for the first like three or four episodes, it has that lost feel, right? Yes. You don't, you don't know what's happening. Who's in the hatch? What's like that type of thing? But lost, even though some say maybe too long, got to play in that mystery box for at least like three or four seasons.

You deliver the, oh, well, that's what's happening in like the fifth episode of this. So it is condensed tremendously. But I didn't mind it because I looked at it like a bigger movie. There were some. And I actually like the idea how they turned it. And I think that what Marvel had to do in their first one out is say, hey, hey, hey, yeah, this is different. And this is crazy.

But it's still Marvel. Check it out. Yeah. Yeah. I felt like Loki did the, hey, hey, this is different,

but it's still Marvel a little bit better. I agree. That's that. I don't know why. Maybe it's the writing. Maybe it's the directing. I don't know. Maybe it's the actor.

Are you a multiverse parallel universe guy? I absolutely. And by the way, I recently fell into a hole of the Mandela effect. Do you know about the Mandela effect? Tell me. You got to know this. The Barronstein Bears,

the Berenstein Bears thing. Coy was talking about this recently. Refresh my memory. So there's this thing called the Mandela effect. And it's supposedly the idea that we are all experiencing something together. that is it that's wrong that's incorrect but we remember it right but we're all but but the proof is there's proof that we were wrong for example the barrenstein bears are a cartoon cartoony bear family storybooks everybody knows 87 books that I read to my daughter every night of the

exactly and and so but so many of us remember that they were called the barinstein bears not the Barron Stain Bears, but if you look, it is Barron Stain Bears. And it's like, okay, so maybe we were just always not pronouncing it correctly. But falling into this meta, metaverse, multiverse idea, I was reading about another one that kind of blew my mind. Do you remember Ed McMahon? Of course. Hey.

Yeah. Hey, Ed McMahon. Yeah. Yeah. Hey now. So Ed McMahon, when we, when we were kids, did this publisher's clearinghouse thing where he would go door to door

and give people big giant checks. It turns out that that is an incorrect thing. Ed McMahon was not involved in publishers clearinghouse at all. What was he doing? Something else, but it wasn't publisher's clearinghouse. And also,

Stoufers' stovetop stuffing is not, it's not. Stoufers is not, the stuffing brand. Stoufers does not make stove top stuffing. Okay, so that's what this meant. So that's us all

So it's all collectively remembering something in a certain way and then looking for proof and finding out that we were wrong. Like the whole like, you know, Shazant, like people are saying that there was a genie movie with Sinbad in it and they remember seeing it. But there isn't a genie movie with Sinbad.

That doesn't exist. Really? Really, dude. I don't remember that too. Dude, look it up. There is no genie movie with Sinbad. It doesn't exist. So I love the multiverse idea because to me, there are people that say the Mandela effect is another universe leaking into ours. And at some point, our universe became this other universe where there was Barron Stain Bears and Ed McMahon wasn't involved in publishers clearinghouse. And the Fruit of the Loom logo had a cornucopia. But it doesn't. there's always weird shit. It blows my mind. Well, I'll blow your mind also because I was I was looking up stuff. I don't know.

It was probably a year ago. And the pandemic, as it first started, you're going through crazy loopholes, right? You basically, I don't know if you've ever seen Dark City, but you're like, oh, yeah, man. You're like that guy or, you know, it's scribbling on the walls. But like, so one of the things that I was like, I was looking up when you died, you go to, what is it multiverses, is it parallel universes? and there were people that swear that they were that they were transferred over in their moment of death to a parallel universe. And there was this one guy who was driving and he was driving and he saw a truck coming and he just kind of snapped out of and he was fine.

And it didn't happen. It was a, he just kind of like weird flash. But when he got back to his place, things were different. They were the same, but they were different. Oh, Barron Stain Bears were Barron Stain Bears were Barron Stain Bears. Right. And it was like something along the lines of like, you know, he, there was a guy that he got along with very well who didn't like. him anymore. Wow.

I was reading this whole thing. That kind of stuff I love and that's why. That's why Loki worked for me. Did you, I haven't watched. I did a poll on this channel of what people think I should watch. And one that was people who've seen it swear by is this show dark. Have you seen this show? Dude, holy shit.

Okay. Wow. Okay. Yes. I am so obsessed with dark right now. Is it great? That's so crazy that you mentioned this because yeah, I love it. I watched season one back when it.

dropped on Netflix way back when, maybe like three or four years ago or something. And I was like, this is maybe the coolest time travel thing I've seen in a really long time. And saying it's a time travel thing is maybe a little bit of a spoiler, but I can't think of another way to get people into this show. Because the title isn't very good, dark. It's like,

well, I don't really need dark shit right now. And it just so happens that it is very dark. It's not a very happy show and it's not a very uplifting show. Did butterfly effect, that type of thing? Yeah, more psychological and kind of a thriller, but it's a hardcore drama. Yeah.

But it's so fucking good, dude. It's so good. So season one, fantastic. And then season two came out and I was like, maybe I'm not going to watch this because the first season was such a bummer. And then recently I saw friends talking about it on Twitter. And another one of my friends was like really talking it up like it's one of the best series ever. So I was like, all right.

So I am back in. I watched season two a couple weeks ago. And now I'm like in the middle of season three, which is the final. There's a final one. Yeah. So that's what. So the ones that I had up there that I put on the poll was dark, arcane, which, have you watched that. No, I've heard things, though.

It's the League of Legends show, right? Yeah, everyone's saying it's amazing. Pretty great. I've watched two episodes so far. I don't know why I do these polls, Steve. I put the poll out, and it was the second one on the list. You have supposed to do it first. So it was, but that was number two.

The first one was the Witcher, season one and season two. Yeah, Witcher's good, man. I haven't watched season two yet, but I loved season one. Okay, and then the other one was Dexter, the final season, which I was the big Dexter guy. Do you watch the final season? No, but I was also kind of a big Dexter guy. And then I didn't care anymore and I didn't see the last season proper. Okay.

And then didn't really care. And then when it came back, I didn't really care. And I'm kind of, I don't think I'm going to go back there. I started the first three episodes and I dug it. Yeah. I'm hearing things,

but it's enough for it to get me back. I want to finish it because I also really love Clancy Brown. Ooh. Nancy Brown's in it. And it looks to go back to the roots and something that might be able to sell you on it. If you were a big Dexter fan. Mm-hmm. So the season that it started to go downhill for me was, and this is spoilers for anybody who hasn't watched Dexter.

If you haven't watched Dexter before, I'm giving you a spoiler. I'll put it in the time code. You've been warned. Ready? That's so kind of you, Christian. I have to do that. So after Rita, after Rita dies, they, the season kind of went to, the series started to go downhill because he had no purpose anymore. As far as he was trying to balance both sides of it.

Wow, that's kind of early on, isn't it? Isn't that like season four? It was season four. It was the end. Because I also happened to be one of the best seasons of television, even though it started going on a hill. One of the other reasons is because the showrunner left afterwards, didn't come back,

but that showrunner came back for new blood. And you can feel it. You can tell from what I go far. So that's something if that is going to, yeah. Yeah, I mean, there's just so much, man. Like I think coming back to dark was a big deal for me. And it has paid off. So I'm like, you know, I'm in it now.

But I just don't know if I'm ever going back to Dexter. I'll see what happens when it's done because, you know, we were just talking about how it's hard to watch the, the new, the Star Wars sequels. Right. Because it, you know where it ends. And I felt the same way about Game of Thrones.

Like, I'm probably never going to rewatch Game of Thrones. Yeah. Were you really going to the last season? I mean, I was just kind of like, you know, at this point in our lives, we've learned to accept that these shows are probably, probably not going to end in a perfect way. It's really rare when a series ends in a perfect way. And so I was kind of not expecting anything huge anyway, but I wasn't just, I wasn't devastated by the end of Game of Thrones. But I was like, okay. I mean, clearly that the show quality stopped

being good when they were done with George R. Martin's source material. Once they went off on their own, I think that was harder for them. I get, I get Ben, Totally, totally. Credit, because I think there's a lot of stuff they did that was really good. And I didn't, I think that it became, it became more of a movie that you would write, like if you could make a Game of Thrones, like fan fiction almost, right? Yes. You can do because you don't have any more source material, like you said. That's why I didn't mind the last season.

I understand fully that diehard fans of like the books. They're just like, what are we doing here? I get it. Yeah. Wasn't one of those people. So I was able to go, all right, that's, that's an interest. I don't like that choice, but I didn't mind it. Yeah, I guess it's just like you can't please everybody, obviously,

and just like we were saying, it's impossible, kind of. So, yeah, so it was a little bummed out about that. But like, in regards to Dexter, if someone's like, by the time it's all done, is like, oh, it's real good, then maybe I'll check it out. But if by the time it's all done, they're like, eh, it wasn't really worth it. It's over. They just finished it up on Sunday. So I've got, I got three.

I got three in, but I'm not, but there's other things. I want to finish Arcane. That's something I'm definitely going to get into and finish because I'm really digging it. It's really, it's very interesting to me. And I think that I hope from what I've seen, going back to what you said before, even though it's not necessarily a new IP, but it's a,

it's a fresher IP for people that don't, like I don't know enough about League Elections. Same. Right. So the idea of if this show can be as popular that it eventually probably turn into a live action also. I know there's a lot of hardcore fans like, I don't need to.

the animation's perfect then i get it but it's bigger business when you're in when you're putting people in live action and those things so i think yeah i like the world that they set up so far really like it two episodes in and i'm i'm i'm excited to watch the rest yeah basically anybody i've talked to who has seen it has said that it's very very good which is like a rare thing yeah it's it's it's it's a it's a good it's a really interesting take on and and as far as how science fiction you're going to get if you give good decent science fiction you're going to get me on board and yeah absolutely and if it's high concept science fiction ooh baby sign me up i think you'll dig it steve i think you'll like it a lot okay i'll check it up so the witcher's probably the next one

that i'll i have to go back and forth with but now we're doing all these rewatches on batman leading up to the batman which i guess is our maybe our last topic that uh for our show today the batman now if you look at spider spider spider man no way home was that like there's you get these pockets is you and I are in this business. You see these pockets of the big movies that you know, oh, that's the one everyone's talking about right now. That's the big one, right? Because of the pandemic, there really weren't any.

I mean, Black Widow had come out. It okay. Fine, Shang Chi came out. Did okay. But there's no big event movies yet until no way home comes out. No way home comes out. And it's like it shatters records. It does all this stuff.

Multiverse the hell out of the damn thing. And now we're getting into another big movie, potentially if they stick to the date in March for the, Batman. I have always championed Robert Pattinson for Batman. I always think that he was what we were just talking about before with Hayden Christensen. People pigeonhole them into one particular role and he was fantastic in Good Time. He was fantastic in the Rover. He was in all these different movies. Lighthouse. Lighthouse. But that was, but that was, I think after he got cast as Batman. Oh, right, right, right. But the beforehand leading into and showing what he can do this

Chop. Wasn't that? Oh no, never mind. That was going to say, wasn't he in some horror movie, but that was Daniel Ratcliffe. Yeah, woman in black. Yeah. Yeah. But he's, so he is, um, a really fantastic actor and couple that with Matt Reeves, who slam down the apes franchise. Love Matt Reeves so much. This is my most highly anticipated movie of the year for sure. And that's interesting to say, considering there's been so many freaking tellings. of Batman, that to still be excited about it, I think is an achievement of what they showed. It's like seven meets Batman of what you've seen in the trailers. Are you, are you, are you hyped for this movie? Are you on the, oh, no, I'm hype. I'm super, I'm ready.

I think it's time for a new kind of take on Batman. And it seems like that's what they're doing with this one. But, you know, to me, it felt like, I was talking to some friends about this a little bit. Like the, to what it looks, what it looks like to me, because like I don't read much of the Batman comics. Like I read some of the major ones back in the day, but, but I don't keep up on a lot of the Batman lore. And the movies as of late were kind of like, you know, whatever. Ben Affleck as Batman was like, you know, not my favorite. No, I didn't mind them.

Did you, did you like this? We don't have to get into this full conversation, but did you like the Snyder cut? No. Oh, okay. I loved it. Yeah. I watched it once. I felt like it was like watching it four times.

I feel like there's a world where maybe I'll watch it again someday. But yeah, no, I was pretty confused by most of it actually. But to me, the marketing of this new Batman movie, it looks like we've got kind of a young Bruce Wayne who's learning how to be Batman

and is probably really violent at first and is like learning how to be the like, you know, the stoic stone, you know, world's greatest detective, Batman that we know now. Is that kind of what we're getting out of this movie? What it looks like to me. That's what it looks like, right?

Because you're trying, and I think they're going to change some of the mythos a little bit, or maybe even a different type of, you never know how many different levels there are in D.C. of which comics they're going to pull from. But it looks like in this one, and this could just be speculation, that somehow Thomas Wayne is involved in some of this because the Riddler knows more. and all these clues. He's essentially the John Doe setting this stuff up. And then instead of Brad Pitt and Morgan Freeman,

looking forward, it's Alfred and Bruce Wayne. And Matt Reeves said that Bruce Wayne and Alfred don't have the relationship that we know normally. Bruce Wayne's kind of pissed off at Alfred in this one. Whoa. Okay. I'm into that. I see any time where they kind of switch things up a little bit, I'm always on board.

I'm always like, let's see, I'll give it a chance. when you mentioned that we've got like a seven kind of thing going on with this Batman, certainly aesthetically and in a lot of ways it feels that way, especially with kind of like the Zodiac version of the Ridler they kind of revealed recently and stuff. So I'm like really on board with that idea. But I was talking to my friends about this idea. It was just one of those things where you just go off on a tangent with your friends, kind of like what we're doing right now.

And we were talking about how fucking cool would it be? If this movie skip the fucking origin shit, skip the fucking young Batman learning how to be old, the eventual old Batman, and just go straight to world's greatest detective. I think that's what they're doing. Dude, if that's what they're doing over just like a fucking like moody young, like I'm not going to follow the rules kind of Batman. I think the mixture of both. Okay. So I want way less of that. As a, and this is just me.

Like some people might want more of them. that or they like the mixture of both. But man, I would fucking love it so hard. The way that is that did you like the, did you like the Daniel Craig, some of the Daniel Craig Bond movies? Yeah,

yeah, yeah. So the reason I bring that up is when you see the first movie, the, casino royale, it's a, it's a very different bond. It's almost like born identity bond. It totally is.

And by the time you get to the last movie, he's the bond that we know. Yes, I think that's what they're going to do with this Batman. I think this Batman is going to have a lot of that angst and a lot of that trying to figure it out. And by the time you get to, they want to do a trilogy. So the time you get to two and three, I think that we get to, I think we get to exactly what you're talking about. See, because if we start to get like, if we get like a, like they could just replace the seven script.

Yeah. Like beat for beat with Batman and with Bruce Wayne and Alfred as the Morgan Freeman, Brad Pitt rolls. they can just copy it and have Ridler be the fucking you know the the what do they call him the killer the John Doe yeah John Doe and they could just replicate it to a T it doesn't have to be deadly sins

it can be some other thing I think they definitely could do that but dude and I I could talk to you for four hours but I like I don't want to keep you that long so speaking of Morgan Freeman before we go here would you like to hear Morgan Freeman's audition

as as Mace Windo? Absolutely give it to me Here, this is Morgan Freeman auditioning for the role of me. So I got out some of the lines and then got mad and didn't realize what it was and then walked off the set. Is this, is this you, sir? I got to, I got a, yeah. Yeah, there might be, yeah. Now, I don't. Let me see if I have, yeah, oh, go ahead.

Yeah, you got that clip? Yeah, all right, here we go. And let me see if I can find it. I'm trying to find it. All right, ready? Here it is. No, no, no, he can, he will not be trained. No, this, let me, this little, this little bitch here is not, ain't no,

shit out. This little bitch here ain't a Jedi, this little bitch here ain't a Jedi, hop-headed motherfucker. First of all, you're angry. Second of all, you, you cried too much, you know. Let's go, okay? Your mother was a slave, and, you know, she went up to some stuff. stuff.

Keep rolling. Shut up. My lightsaber's purple, by the way, which is racist. What is this purple? Don't come at me. Don't come at me. I guess that was the clip.

Oh, wait, there was more. I think there was more. What do you see now? A cup, a ship. Do you see my middle finger? Come about my beating your ass. Do you see that? Why don't you put your hand in this box and feel pain?

Oh, that's a different movie. Because you read Frank Herbert's known and you said, all I know, I'll just redo this shit. No, fuck you too. Oh, great was that. Dude, that's crazy. Without seeing who's doing it, you're like, that's just, that's Morgan Freeman.

Just, Robert Thompson is absolutely. Damn. That's so good. What a sound bite, man. It's really good. What a treat. Yeah, I know.

So look, there's tons of sound bites from this episode, my friend. It was a pleasure to have you. And I also have a friend here. Do me a fellow, please. Get out of here. Get out right here, man. Shit. All right.

We're trying. We're going to get out of here. So it's time to get out of here. It is the end of the show. And Steve, tell the peeps what, where they can find you, show what you've been doing and how they can now go support well you could just follow me on the socials where i kind of blast what i'm up to at steve zaragoza on on all the things uh i have a couple of podcasts dynamic banter with my uh comedian friend mike feld zone very funny boy we were kind of bonkers

crazy boys and we we get nerdy we were born from a podcast called clover fields where we talked about all of the clover field uh arg stuff and like the movies and stuff and we we nerded out about it a lot so from time to time we get nerdy there and then uh the valley cast is another show that i do weekly with uh joe barretta and elliot morgan uh over there on where you get podcast and shit and then you know whatever i kind of just you know i'm just doing my thing i'm kind of you know i'm depressed are you oh yeah because of the because of the shit because it's gotten back yeah life sucks it's it's not the same and we got to adapt and uh you know but i'm working through it and things are okay and have a real good

system and you know obviously things will get better i know how to handle this so you don't have to worry about me or anything but oh good listen this is if you need this i'm not kidding you i'm telling you that i tell you this off the year and i'll tell you this on there if you need this for a place you just want to come in here and shoot the shit and it makes you laugh and then come on the show and let's do you have me back any time are you kidding me not just to help me have fun with a friend but if you want me to genuinely brain vomit all over you like we just did i'm yes and we're back in studio you definitely have to come into the studio because i i need you to you to hang out with.

Oh, please. Brett and Steph and everybody, too, and it'll be a blast. Please, I would love it. I'd love to see everybody again. It would be really nice. All right, everybody.

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