The Kristian Harloff Show - THE BATMAN RETURNS! Pattinson dawns the cape for the Penguin series after all?!

Episode Date: June 28, 2024

The Batman Returns? We knew Pattinson was coming back for the new Penguin show for MAX but we thought as Bruce Wayne. A new report says that the Caped Crusader will indeed return in the series. In wha...t capacity? We discuss. The Russos made some of the most successful Marvel movies ever. A new report says they were interested in returning for an Avengers film and were told no by the MCU. If true, wrong or right decision? Fantastic Four reports, new time period ? The MCU will return to San Diego Comic Con. This and more on todays Big Thing Capes and Cowl with Kristian, Winston and Coy. Enjoy!

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Starting point is 00:01:05 So if you're brand new to the channel, you've never been here before, subscribe to the channel. We got a lot to talk about. We got a lot of things that we do on the channel, whether it's out of the theater reactions, regular reactions, movie reviews, TV reviews, interviews, interviews. It just had Jamie Campbell Bauer from Stranger Things, Horizon. That was a great one. We have more interviews coming up. There's just a lot, full-on podcast that we do. So we hope that you'll be a part of it. Today, on today's show, we will be discussing the Russo Brothers, man. There's a big Marvel roundup with a lot of different rumors, whether it's stuff about X-Men, 97, and when that's coming out, we have a couple more things with the Daredevil series, but the Russo's. There's a big rumor out at the moment that they were interested in coming back for the new Avengers movie. And apparently they were told no.
Starting point is 00:01:53 And why? It's because of budget. It's because they had someone else lined up. was it the right move not to bring them back? We'll discuss that. We'll talk a lot about Fantastic Four. There's a lot going on with Fantastic Four and the confirmation of when it exactly, what time period it takes place. We will also discuss about the fact that it's going to be in a multiverse, in a different time, in a different New York, all in general.
Starting point is 00:02:19 And then we'll talk about Comic-Con. Marvel's finally returning to Comic-Con and what will we see at this year's Comic-Con? to Deadpool coming up that weekend. What will they focus on? What kind of footage will we see and how relevant and should Comic-Con change their panels in the way that they're presented? So we'll discuss that. And then finally, Robert Pattinson was rumored to be in The Penguin.
Starting point is 00:02:45 We knew that. But everyone thought, oh, it would be as Bruce Wayne. It would be like a cameo as Bruce Wayne. Well, there's another rumor around that it's not going to be Bruce Wayne. It's going to be actually the Batman. So when will he show up? What will he do when he shows up? that and more on the channel here today so it's going to be a really good show we hope that you join us we're excited to do it so here we go let's talk about all this and more on capes and cows with myself winston a marshal and coy jondro here we go everybody everybody capes and cows myself Winston a marshal coy jondro in the studio together as promised gentlemen ridiculous how the hell are you
Starting point is 00:03:34 You know, we're not doing too bad, man. Whoa, I am very loud to myself. We're learning. We're adjusting. It's working. That was the mic gain. Oh, I see. I should turn this up.
Starting point is 00:03:46 So I've got Christian's old road here so that I can have both Koi and I set up. And I'm getting used to all the stuff that RB3 used to do, guys. So let's take me a minute. Also, I want to acknowledge that Winston is traditionally about a foot taller than me, but in a chair that's higher. And I look like. The Force Perspective Hobbit. He's only doing that because he's trying,
Starting point is 00:04:09 he knows he can't get revenge on me because I'm too far away. So he's getting revenge on me to you for the little win. That's what he's good. That's all that is. Here's revenge. This is revenge. See, this is playing good time. That's not revenge.
Starting point is 00:04:23 This is good song. It's good music. Yeah. That's old school S-E-N. It's true. But it's so, it's so low. It's just like kind of like elevator music at this point.
Starting point is 00:04:35 But yeah, man, we got some, We got some good things to talk about. And I'm sure, and you guys probably, if there's anything else that we're not hitting on here today, then you should bring it up for sure. You know, I think, though, the main story, this thing that I saw about the Rousseau, I got to get into it. Let's talk about this. All right.
Starting point is 00:04:51 Here is an MCU rumor roundup in general. There are plans for the defenders. There's Rousseau's wanting to direct Avengers five, and Spider-Man, possibly joining a new team. There is a rumor roundup with the MCU, and we have Intel on Daredevil, Born Again. Big updates on the animated corner of the MCEO. Wild Claim about the Russo Brothers wanting to take the helm of Avengers 5. Josh Wadding over at Comic Book movie. We've already shared some exciting MCU rumors with you today, including the possibility of the next Black Panther, but there's also some doing the rounds at its time for another roundup. To start, we're going back
Starting point is 00:05:25 to the Cosmic Circus. According to the site, Marvel Studios is not holding back with Daredevil Born Again, and the show supposedly takes bigger risks with its story than the Netflix series does. It supposedly has much higher stakes. Sticking in the corner of the MCU, it is said that neither Luke Cage nor Iron Fists will be recast if they return before Avengers Secret Wars. However, we should expect Cage to be a more prominent character as opposed to Rand, which is expected to take a backseat role. It sounds like some big defenders-related cameos are being lined up for Daredevil Born Again. There are other miscellaneous details, including Armour Wars, still being in development. Dormammu's return is being soon.
Starting point is 00:06:05 Wu having a very interesting character arc in a future project, and Moon Night, season two, shifting the action to New York before midnight suns. As for Wonder Man, the site describes the upcoming Disney Plus series as a combination of comedy and horror. Finally, we have an animation update from them revealing that X-Men 97, Season 2 is aiming for a summer 20-25 release, and that Spider-Man will return in What If, as a member of the Guardians of the Multiverse. Sticking on the side of things, Daniel Rickman reporting that the eyes of Wakanda is set to introduce a new iron fist and more Greek gods. He also says Nova, Blonde Phantom, The Punisher, Wiccan, White Tiger, and Strange Tales are among the MCU TV shows currently in development for Disney Plus.
Starting point is 00:06:46 How many of those will become a reality is hard to say, though Blonde Phantom does appear to be taking shape with both Sidney Sweeney and Taylor Swift supposedly eyed for the title role. Jeff Schneider also dropped some big news on the hot mic saying that the Russo's wanted Avengers 5. this has been backed up by my time to shine, Winston's favorite, who says that Marvel Studios turned down the filmmakers who helmed Avengers of Indy War and Avengers Endgame. There could be any number of reasons for that, though their recent movies going way over budget
Starting point is 00:07:17 might not have helped Joe and Anthony's cause. Schneider also says that Marvel Studios Hall H panel at the San Diego Comic Con will be movie-centric with their TV offerings saved for D23. Okay, there is a lot here, guys. Holy moly, there's a lot here. I'll start with you, Winston, at all that stuff, we'll let you go first. We talked about a ton of it.
Starting point is 00:07:41 What do you want to talk about first? Unless you also want to, what we could do is, I didn't read the report about who the next Black Panther is. I don't know if you guys know that one. If there's a spoiler, should we take? I think it's trying to raise the kid up. I hear it's shirry passing the mantle. That would make sense. So at all those stories, that one included, Winston, what say you?
Starting point is 00:08:00 Where do you want to go first? Honestly, even though it sounds like one of the smaller of them, just the fact that we are potentially getting X-Men 97 season 2 next summer, that's pretty fast when you can see, I mean, just the shows, I guess, move a little faster than like movies, but I'm just thinking about like how long it's taken to get the Spider-Man movies, you know what I mean, and things like that. Not that the animation is quite as complicated, but it's still beautiful and it takes a lot of time, you know? I think they were pretty advanced when they announced one that two, you know, we'd know it was written. We know the team was the same team involved and all those things. So I imagine they probably had previs done. So we're in a position of like it was season one and a half. Like we were closer to ready, but why in my day, shows came out every year.
Starting point is 00:08:43 So it's like nice to hear summer to summer. That's all I'm saying. Because like all I know is is that I have been in just heaven as far as TV shows this year. And knowing that we are actually in our. apex right now with House of the Dragon, you know, the bear, and the boys all running simultaneously, you know, X-Men getting out there early. It just, it's cool to hear that, you know, more of this is coming immediately after. So for me, the most successful thing out of all of this stuff in recent memory has been that. So that's where my attention went. Quay? For me, it's the Russo Brothers,
Starting point is 00:09:19 because I know it's fun to crap on whatever's popular. And I know that like, you know, within a month of a director doing well. It's like that movie's not as good as you think. But the Russo brothers are winner, soldier, civil war, endgame and infinity war, arguably four out of the biggest Marvel things. And that's not,
Starting point is 00:09:38 those are four of the biggest movies of all time. The billion dollar mark does get crossed more often now, but it's still insane like half of one percent. It did. I feel, yeah, that's true. It's about to happen. It's about to happen like probably next week.
Starting point is 00:09:51 Inside out. You think inside out across It's already hit like 800 It's already hit 800 million It was at 100 million in its second weekend I guess that was the problem Is that I hear the hundred and the 150 From the first two and I'm just thinking
Starting point is 00:10:05 I thought that was like worldwide That's just that's just that's the best animation's ever done Yeah yeah yeah yeah But the billion dollar thing like it doesn't happen often But it was happening for a summer or two there Where it was like oh this movie this movie But at the end of the day having that many do that is insane That said I have been hearing you know that the
Starting point is 00:10:23 issue is budget. And if Marvel's looking at tightening their belt a little bit, I don't think they look at things like the Netflix movies the Russo's are doing and go, well, there's the return. But I would look more in-house. I wouldn't look at the properties they do outside of Marvel. I would look at their track record within Marvel. And I know a $300 million budget or whatever in-game must have had is insane. But it was worth. But it earned it. It earned it. I mean, like they have proven themselves. They started with Civil War. And that wasn't the $300 million dollar budget. Winter soldier. That was the smaller budget. That was one of the smaller Marvel budgets, even in phase two. So I don't know. I think they've earned it. I think it's kind
Starting point is 00:11:01 of a shame because I know they said Secret Wars was the only thing they'd come back for back in the end game days. So now that it's here, it's a shame that the loyalty's not in both directions. Yeah. Yeah, it's weird if that's the case because if it's just a matter of the budget, it's like, hey, listen, Rousseau's here's the deal. We want you to come back. We like what you've done. Our budget is $2.50. That's it. You cannot go over. If you go over, we're going to have to have an agreement in place that if you go over this, we're not spending any more than this. This is it.
Starting point is 00:11:28 And as filmmakers, they got to go, okay, if that's the case, it's like, well, they just inflated it. Well, then we're going to make it public. We're going to tell you that. You got to put anything in place, but the bottom line is these guys have delivered on every Marvel movie that they've done. And if anyone gets team dynamics to scale, it's the Infinity War and in game director. They've done it every time.
Starting point is 00:11:48 Now, I haven't seen Deadpool yet. And I know the other name being mentioned is Sean Levy, which if Deadpool's as good as we hear it is, maybe there's a reason that the conversation is more like, we just had a win last year. Let's go ahead and so maybe they're not being discussed only because Sean Levy is the like kind of already foot in the door. The only thing that would make sense to me other than the budget rumors is if Sean Levy already has it. And they came knocking and they were like, sorry, jobs taken. That would also go back to your. Yes. And it would also go back to your point of, look, we are being loyal.
Starting point is 00:12:19 We're being loyal to the guy that is the guy right now in-house. These are like Hall of Famers, but they're not part of the lineup right now. And so we gave it to somebody who's on the lineup, and he's hitting grand slams, and we're going to let him continue to be on the All-Star team. And that, that to me would make sense if that's the case. But if it's, and he still is going to cost some money, but he might not cost as much as two guys who now have done billion-dollar movies before. I can say, hey, we'll come back and do it for you, but we want this, this, this, and this.
Starting point is 00:12:49 want a piece of this. And maybe they're going, well, that deal just doesn't make financially sense for us overall. Besides the fact that you work with bigger budgets, Sean Levy is just done this. He can work on a smaller budget. He costs a little less. He doesn't want these points. If that's the case, business-wise, that makes sense. But I think that it's a matter of what it really is, like why they would say.
Starting point is 00:13:09 And the other side of it is maybe there was a falling out. We just don't know about it. And also, it could be a matter of the Deadpool movie being more tied to Secret Wars than we think. we don't know what this movie is yet and it looks like it could be insane multiversal bringing heroes and villains together which hey is Secret Wars so it could mean this movie
Starting point is 00:13:29 ends in a way that sets up Secret Wars more than any of us think and they want tonalities to be similar. It could be Secret Wars is going to if the new trailer that dropped today this morning that was a new trailer it's only a minute long and it literally is just a really cool Sabretooth versus Wolverine scene but in that footage
Starting point is 00:13:45 it's already apparent how much they get the vibe. And if Secret horses that one. Oh, dude, it's so good. It's so funny. What is it? Oh, I didn't watch the clip. I don't want to watch anymore. I don't want to watch anymore either. It got sent to me enough times that I was like, okay. And now
Starting point is 00:14:01 I'm very aware that I wish I hadn't because I had the moment. I'm just done. And I just saw, like, I just saw Tray. This has nothing to a comic movie movies, but it just shows out trailers sometimes. Just like, did you guys see that trailer for the New Zemeckis movie with Tom Hanks and Robin Wright? It's just seen Stills.
Starting point is 00:14:17 So it's like it's the aging thing, but it shows, it's like the two of them in this house, they kind of, you show them when they were younger, all these different, you know, um, I think Paul Bettney plays the father of Tom Hanks, but it, like,
Starting point is 00:14:29 you can, you can see how it works with the de-aging and all that. And then it just shows them throughout their life, like going through these moments, but, but there's a scene that they show at the very end of it. And it's like, what did you show that for?
Starting point is 00:14:41 You just showed me inside, now I know exactly. It's like, now I can, if I referenced a movie that it was similar to, you would know exactly what the, movie is and what the movie is and it's like what are you doing? I haven't seen
Starting point is 00:14:53 any bear trailers and I was editing my bear reactions and I went through I was scrubbing a trailer. I did the first three episodes and I was scrubbing a trailer to grab clips and in my scrubbing of the trailer I saw a scene that clearly hadn't happened yet in the season of the show I was watching and it ruined so I stopped editing. I was like I'm just gonna post this on
Starting point is 00:15:10 edited I just I was done yeah to show you how to how to just full rip the video the episode because I was like this is bananas I had the same issue. And that's, and with, uh, with X-Men 97 when I was doing that. And so once I figured out how to, that way I could like, I am only paying attention to this. You're looking frame by frame when you're editing. So you're like, oh, I wish I hadn't seen that moment. But you know, speaking of X-Men 97, the fact I think they kind of couple off what you guys were
Starting point is 00:15:34 saying before, I think, yeah, they have a, it would make sense. It this doesn't, it's, some people, I guess initially would go, whoa, with animation, they're going to put it out that fast. And it's like, yeah, it's, it's, it's pretty much done. Like they, we know that Bo Domeo had enough involvement in the first two seasons. Because our question always been like, what's the third going to look like? Because he's not going to be there for it. But the second one will come out next year. And it's going to be a hell of a packed year in general for all that stuff.
Starting point is 00:16:01 But then if you- Three Marvel movies and Superman's debut. Right. And where is, Daredevil, is that 20-25 or is it 226? Yeah. Is it 2020? Next year. I think it's like spring.
Starting point is 00:16:12 So you have all this stuff. And speaking of Daredevil in the way that they're, you know, like they're taking bigger swings. I mean, how do you not get excited for that news? You know what I mean? Like, you go ahead with it. You absolutely get excited for it. Like, especially knowing that that has been consistently when it comes to any sort of
Starting point is 00:16:30 Marvel television, the gold standard. And the fact that they stopped what they were doing and said, we're about to F this up, let's go back to what works and just like double down on that. You, you, there's no way you don't geek out by the fact that they're maxing out that budget. And that, that's one of the rare exceptions like you were. saying Christian, like you say all the time, if you've earned that budget, and I get that the MCU that Disney has not had direct control hand on this, but to know that they are going back to what made the Netflix one work, you've earned that budget. So do it. Also, it's Justin and Aaron, man,
Starting point is 00:17:02 like Benson and Morehead. I ran into my buddy Justin Benson two weeks ago, and he, uh, he seems so proud. He wouldn't tell me anything, which I'm so happy about because I would not be able to sit on it for eight months. Like, I'm good at, I'm good at my hype and I'm good at knowing, But I'm not good when it's so personal that it's friends I'm proud of and it's a property like that it would be the straw on the camel's back if I knew anything is be like and then then this so I'm really glad I don't know anything, but I do know the pride coming out of him and what they did with Loki season two is is I think my favorite Marvel TV next to Daredeville Netflix. So now you're putting those two things together. I'm so that I couldn't be more excited for Darible. Yeah. And look, there's a lot of the one report that will come out and I think it came out about this and I got tagged on it for Captain America, right? Is that. Daredevil and Captain America, when you hear about their budgets, you're going to hear that Daredevil's budget is going to be insane, right? When you hear the final number. That's right.
Starting point is 00:17:59 And that's the same thing with Captain America. Someone just sent me a tweet, and they said that Captain America's budget is somewhere in the $3.30 to $400 million range or something like that, right? It's a second movie. It's two movies. They reshot the whole thing. They basically scrapped whatever movie they had,
Starting point is 00:18:16 And they said, look, here's what we could do. We're going to basically try to break even on this movie or even make a little money, but we have to realize we're either going to break even on it and shoot a new movie, or we're going to make this movie as it is right now with this $200 million budget, and we're going to lose money because it's not that good. The brand is more important, too. It's also a $400 million fixing of optics versus a $200 million accepting what is going to come out. I think it's a much smarter move to release something once and not have to apologize.
Starting point is 00:18:49 And I think that right now, Marvel can't take more gut punches. So if you're going to take a blow to the face because you know the money's going to be expensive, that's way better than releasing something and have the conversation be bad. Yeah, but do you know who, do you know who Marvel is thanking right now for that? Joy and anxiety, who just gave them a little bit of cash in their pocket to play a little bit more. Yeah, I got to check it out. It's great, man. I really liked it.
Starting point is 00:19:13 Yeah, it's really good. Anyway, you guys, look, all the stuff that we have here, whether it's X-Men, whether it is Daredevil or the Rousseau's, all that stuff that we touched upon, what stands out to you guys? And do you think that the Rousseau's, depending on what the circumstance is, should they be? No matter what, you go and you get them. Or if they're going to go with Sean Levy and let's see how Deadpool is, it's a tricky conversation. I think that our loyalty right away goes, well, those movies are so good. Why wouldn't you get the Rousseau's back? But then again, we haven't seen Daredele.
Starting point is 00:19:43 Sorry, Deadpool. And then if Deadpool comes out and we're like, whoa, I want to see what this guy's going to do next with inside this universe. So where does it stand? Let me know. Let's geek out. Let's be nerds about it. And speaking about nerds, let me tell you about nerd armor. I got to tell you about nerd armor.
Starting point is 00:19:59 It's incredible. I brought it up on the show the other day. And I'm going to show you the saber in just a bit. But I'll tell you about, I'm going to show you the thing that I did with Mike and Steph. And then I'll tell you about AG1. Here you go. Nerd armor. And I told you guys about this.
Starting point is 00:20:11 Like, I was. was contacted by Nerd Armor and look at this. This is absolutely like this is a Darth Malgus Sabre. Is that making noises? Yeah. So check this out.
Starting point is 00:20:28 This is from Nerd Armor and it lights up. So cool. And it's you can change, you go to the app itself and you can change like the settings, you can change the color. And it is, it's absolutely incredible. It's pretty incredible. And you connect it to the app, you can do different sounds.
Starting point is 00:20:46 It's got like, if I have, I do it towards the red one also, the Red Sabre, and you can put Palpatine's voice on it, which is amazing. And you can do, you can get all these different sound fonts, which is great. Because if you buy a pixel or profile Sabre, that customers get over $150 in custom soundbites from jlurion.com, and you can load that into your Sabres card. It's pretty awesome. You can choose.
Starting point is 00:21:10 They have all these different hilt. You can get Sith. And I put the link in the description and you can definitely get a code there for me because it's really, really amazing. And I got to tell you about AG1. You guys know AG1. I mean, if you've been listening to this show long enough, you know that I love AG1. And people keep asking me, they didn't notice. John even said when I started, is I look, new look.
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Starting point is 00:23:28 I have the energy right now. You see, look, guys, by the way, I'm almost under 200 pounds. I'm the first time forever. I'm at literally a 200 pounds. I lost 20 pounds. Thank you. I would congratulate you, but you're back in New York. You're going to eat all that pizza. Listen, I have been eating pizza, and I probably would be around 190 if it wasn't for the pizza. I'll tell you, I was, I've been walking around so much. I was walking around in the city. I was walking around.
Starting point is 00:23:54 I did like a 45-minute walk to get home the other day, and it was great. But I had the energy to do it, and age you one helps me. But what I wanted to do was walk around on the street with this thing. I don't think you could do that, bro. Where is it? I got a, hold on it. That's the sound of itself. Watch, here, check this out.
Starting point is 00:24:12 you can change the color on your phone. Oh, cool. You can do so much. I can keep changing it up, though, too. This is, there's like, you play with it on the app, and I just did this whole thing, so I don't want the people to see it again when it did, but you can do, you can change the sounds on it. You can change, like, if you want to go Sith with it,
Starting point is 00:24:29 this is a Darth Malgus Hilt, which is so nice. This thing is, these were the ones that I used to go to the conventions, and I used to be like, one day I'm going to get one of those things. And nerd armor has made that dream come true, and I put it. And I have the link. It's the first thing. You got to take a look at all the different ones that they have. They've got Canobey.
Starting point is 00:24:48 They have Anakin. They have all they have like I asked afterwards and I said, I got to get a Darth Revin. They go, we got Darth Revin light side. We got Revin. We got Revin on the dark side. I'm like,
Starting point is 00:24:56 I'm going to start a collection. I'm going to start out total nerd and up. But like this bad boy. And you can change it to like total red hilt, you know, and I was swinging it around in the, you got to understand. I'm in a very corporate building here.
Starting point is 00:25:08 And I was, and I'm downstead of showing like the guy downstairs. and he turned into a 12-year-old. He's like in the, he's in the lobby. He's swinging the hair out. It was amazing. It was amazing. This is accounting.
Starting point is 00:25:21 Yeah, right. I want to get the whole damn building swinging lightsabers around here. But anyway, it's the first link in the description. And the guy who owns the company, he's like, oh, because I talked about it on the R-A-Kalike thing. And he's like, tons of people are getting them. I'm like, good. I'm like, you're the right.
Starting point is 00:25:39 You don't want to get to talk to you. I'll tell you that. that. But anyway, just wish we had a good show to talk about it. Anyway, so I let's let's get into, let's get into the next topic because we have more to discuss in the world of comic book movies. And I want to talk about Fantastic Four, so let's do that. Let's start with this story. Fantastic Four, Kevin Feige confirms that the reboot does indeed take place on a parallel earth. And he also reveals when shooting begins in the time period. This is from the other day. Marvel Studios present. Kevin Feige has shared details about the Fantastic Four.
Starting point is 00:26:11 Revealing when shooting begins and confirming the reboot takes place in an alternate reality 1960s, New York City. Kevin Feige has appeared as a guest in the first edition of the official Marvel podcast, where they were taking points beyond his excitement for Deadpool and Wolverine. But we do have an exceptionally big update for Fantastic Four. After praising filmmakers Matt Shackman, Feigey revealed we start shooting at the end of July. The day after Comic Con International San Diego is the first day of filming of four. Fantastic Four. We also know now that Marvel Studios is returning to Hall Age at San Diego Comic-Con comic-comic movie again. After missing the event again in 2023, Marvel Studios is officially returning to San Diego Comic-Con next month for what promises to be a huge Hall-Age panel.
Starting point is 00:26:58 Last year, San Diego Comic-Con was forgettable because of the strikes, and while DC Studios James Gunn has confirmed he'll be missing the event, Denline says that Marvel Studios will be there with a splashy Hall-Age panel. This year's comment. Comic-Con takes place between July 25th and July 28th, which also happens to be Deadpool and Wolverines opening weekend. The trade has no intel in what we might see. Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman will surely show up to get fans excited about their three-quel, an appearance from the Fantastic Four cast, Pedro Piscall, Vanessa Kirby, Joseph Quinn, and Evan Moss Brake also can't be discounted. With Agatha all along set to premiere on September 18th, the trailer for that series seems likely.
Starting point is 00:27:36 It will also be surprised if Marvel doesn't share something from Captain America, a Brave New World, underbolts, seeing as both are being released in the first half of 2025. Whether those sneak peaks are released online remains to be seen, though they typically are to combat low-quality leaks. The trade points out that Ironheart and Wonder Man have both wrapped, so those and Daredevil born again are surely on the table as well. As for Blade, well, that's dated for November and still needs a director. Looking after further ahead, Marvel Studios can use this opportunity to offer a glimpse at the Multiverse Saga Slay, 26 and 27, in mystery beyond the Avengers movies and then the King Dynasty has lost
Starting point is 00:28:15 its title, yada, yada, yada. So that's the gist of it. We'll start off here with the Fantastic Four stuff, right? We all knew or hoped anyway that it was going to be a period piece from the second they released that image, it seemed
Starting point is 00:28:32 like a period piece. Now it's in the 60s. Great. I think that makes sense. What also makes a ton of sense is that it is in a multiverse because otherwise question one where the hell were they how come nobody ever mentioned them in the first timeline that we ever
Starting point is 00:28:48 learned about the MCU and then question two is by the time we get to the next Avengers movie they're going to be so damn old that they're not even moving in the movie anyway so it all makes sense I think am I wrong about that Winston no I think that that was a thousand percent the right move
Starting point is 00:29:04 is to just set yourself up for success don't leave the plot hole of literally smartest man on the planet where the F have you been this entire time. So the only thing I guess, and you can still explain that either way, is it's like, okay, if there's infinite versions of the multiverse, there still wasn't a read and whatnot in this universe. Again, you can do what you want. It's storytelling.
Starting point is 00:29:33 But I, you know, maybe there's something there, you know, in multiple different comic iterations in Marvel, D.C., and otherwise you have had something where it's like, oh, I actually built this thing that like takes out other me's and other universes. So that I was the only one that survived type situation. You can end up like that. Even though I guess you saw Reed is. I think they just have a regular read that's like a genius, but not to scale.
Starting point is 00:29:56 Like I think there'll just be a smart guy named Reed Richards in the six one or one nine, nine, nine, nine. Yeah, right. But it's like what? We're, you know, there was no Baxter building during the Avengers. Like there was no like, you know what I'm saying? Like something would have been there. So this is the correct move so that you can essentially get rid of any plot holes and then you bring them in by the time the movie's over or when you get the Secret Awards.
Starting point is 00:30:17 Yeah. It also makes sense for that Silver Surfer rumor. If we have the Julia Garner Silver Surfer in their universe and we do still want to have a Norenrad, it would make sense that they would have a marker of we're not in Kansas anymore via a Norenrad not being their Julia Garner. And maybe they're running away from a Galactus that's devouring worlds that they can't stop and end up in our universe. Maybe the Silver Surfer is a key plot element of they weren't able to save their universe and there's the guilt from that. Or they were able to, but at the cost of being, like, you know, jettisoned from it. Like there's so many plot-based elements that would allow them to be trapped outside their multiverse. And fish and water stories are great.
Starting point is 00:30:56 It also opens the door for potentially Magneto and Xavier to be from a different multiverse. And that be why the X-Men weren't involved. One, the X-Men shouldn't be too involved because we don't want them to be Avengers' light. But two, if you want to tell the story of, you know, Eric Lyncher and the camps and his family and the things that wouldn't work chronologically by having the story set in 2020. Well, on top of the fact that like if, you know, there's a lot of the rumors back and forth of, oh, do you do like, obviously not Juan Carlo now? But before it was like, oh, do you get Juan Carlo and Denzel to be Professor X and Magneto? Then if you need to explain, okay, well, why is it in this case Magneto, you know, have his Holocaust origins? and whatnot again different universe then you can make that argument it just happened this
Starting point is 00:31:41 particular way because it's just different there and trying to alleviate any of the issues you foreseeably get out of doing a casting like that so again i think this is a smart move you are just setting yourself up to not have to answer questions and that's the most important part yeah it's plot armor it's continuity armor yeah there you go see that there you go love this freaking thing i'm I get turned this camera off and just play with this freaking swing it. I love it. I love it. You know it's an short episode.
Starting point is 00:32:15 It is. It is. I'm so, and I'm totally admitting super selfish that I hope there's like 50 people who buy savers today because they're going to send me another one if they do. Anyways. When we go visit Christian, it's just lightsaber fights.
Starting point is 00:32:28 You're trying to like dive over pizza boxes and lightsaber hills. Sounds like an episode of community that I want to be a part of. Just throw it like a, throw it like a frisbee, but make it look like a force throw? That's right. So, yeah, I think that this is a smart move in the way that they're approaching it and it allows you to announce.
Starting point is 00:32:44 It also gives Deadpool a lot of, just, yeah, focus. What are they going to set up to you go, oh, I wonder if they're going to do a post-credit scene for Fantastic Four in Deadpool? That's what I would, you just, did you just set my brain on fire because there's all this talk that the post-credit for Deadpool-Moverine will blow your mind, right?
Starting point is 00:33:04 Yeah. So if that's the case, like we know. no Deadpool is is is reality hopping or universe hopping what if like the last one they hop into it's like well that's not avengers tower and it says baxter on it and that's now oh sh here's our july to next year depending on how they set it up like you could have the fantastic four be teased multiple times like leading up because they know that's their big big release next year yeah so i think that's definitely a move um i just i this week it was the full realization that the Deadpool premieres in new york and i want to be there and I don't know if I can because it comes out on Thursday and I have panels Thursday, Friday and Saturday at Comic-Con I'm going to get, like, they're going to ruin Deadpool for me. I'm going to be in nerd
Starting point is 00:33:47 heaven and not having seen Deadpool. So what would you do? So if you got an invite to that premiere, but you have to miss Comic-Con, would you do it? I would have to I make a fifth of my yearly income at Comic-Con. It's not the question. The only way I live in L.A.
Starting point is 00:34:03 is by Comic-Con. so I'd have to miss it. Like, if I had to choose one of the other, I'd have to, like, because I can't pay rent. You said, like, yeah. I gotta get on one of these parents. But, so, yeah, all year I build the relationships to make the money I make it Comic-Gun.
Starting point is 00:34:17 And so, like, it is, it is literally Sophie's choice, though, because this is the most, I've looked forward to a movie in probably, yeah. I mean, Spider-Man, No Way Home, notwithstanding. Without No Way Home, five, seven years, with No Way Home, like, those are the two. Yeah. But there's no way I'm not going to get told everything about the movie.
Starting point is 00:34:33 Like, no way home, at least. I got to see early and then I kept it to myself. But now... You'll see this early. So wait, when is it... It comes out the first day of Comic-Con. Right. The movie comes out, but the premiere will probably be a week earlier. Yeah, yeah, but that's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:34:49 Like, if I got invited, I would be able to do both. But I'm so far... Checking my email a lot, Christian. I know. So either... But nonetheless, we're all probably going to see the movie, hopefully see the movie early, and then we'll do, like we always do. We just haven't had a Marvel release to do it this year.
Starting point is 00:35:05 usually what we do is we'll probably do the lead up to it. Maybe what we can do is, I mean, we have to probably do it pretty soon, but maybe the three of us can do watchalongs to Deadpool 1 and Deadpool 2 again. If we have enough time. I don't know, maybe. And then, but nonetheless, we'll watch the movie. We'll do a spoiler review for it when it comes out on that Monday, because we'll do a preview for it on the Friday capes. And then that Monday, like we always did, I just won't do the live show with Roka that day. but we'll do a, we'll do a full-on spoiler to where maybe, I don't know, maybe we could even
Starting point is 00:35:40 potentially do it live. I have no idea of it, but there's, but we'll be doing stuff. We'll be doing stuff for it, no doubt. I'm excited for it and it's going to be, it's going to be pretty great. So that brings up, though, as Koi mentions, Comic-Con. Marvel going back to Comic-Con, I think, is a no-brainer for a lot of different reasons. One, because they just usually are the ones who steal the show, and it would have been kind of detrimental to Comic-Con as far as that, not Comic-Con as a whole, because people that went to Comic-Con
Starting point is 00:36:09 last year said it was the most pure Comic-Con since it was like, it's inception. I love last year. That's what everybody says. People that were there. Now, the news portion of it and all that was dead because there was none of the studios were there. That is something that they need Marvel. They need Marvel and Hall H.
Starting point is 00:36:27 And the fact that DC's not going to be there, then I think it's smart for Marvel to even jump on it furthermore, right? I do think, though, that most of the stuff that they show at Hall Age is going to be online because of exactly what comic book movie said. Back in the day, like, I remember when Ellis and I used to go to Comic-Con in, like, 2020, in like 2013, 2014, we would go and we do these videos about the exclusive footage that we saw, and we would do these videos, and they would do gangbuster views because you could not find that footage anywhere. So you needed the two idiots to tell you exactly.
Starting point is 00:37:02 exactly what we just saw in description form. And oh, wow. Okay, that's great. We're looking forward to seeing it. Now, because of the phones and everything else, too, someone always sneaks in something, always does. And if you're marveling, I don't want people to see it that way. So just release it.
Starting point is 00:37:18 And that's one of the reasons I don't go to Comic-Con as much more for coverage-wise because I don't need to do it. And the opposite, I'll lose out on. I would much rather on the weekend for Comic-Con be in the studio, come do a trailer reaction to something that drops. Yeah, for now, right? So, but anyway, but it makes sense from the B there, but I'll ask you, Coy, to start here.
Starting point is 00:37:42 Give me your predictions on everything that you think Marvel will do, some of the big drops, whether it's going to be a little bit more of a slate, if it's going to, I think Fantastic Four, I think they were right the first time where it's probably just going to be video messages because they start shooting the next day. What do you think? I think they might take a plane from Hall-H to London. I think my big predictions are fantastic four in costume in room.
Starting point is 00:38:03 Really? Yeah. I honestly think they start shooting, I think, Monday. And I think if history holds up, it'll be Saturday night where Marvel has a panel. Like Saturday at 5 p.m. is usually Marvel. Like between four and seven is Marvel. Like I don't know which slot they'll be, but somewhere in that range on Saturday, that gives them Sunday to get the London. So I think we'll have them there in costume.
Starting point is 00:38:28 I agree. My only pushback is you're talking California to London, all those time zones. They've got to get to work like that. Yeah. That's enough lag that typically even when you're talking about like Arsenal and Manchester United are playing here in L.A. Or when you have the NFL go to London or Germany or whatever, they give them a couple of days to adjust. The Eternals flew out for the panel and flew back. Where were they shooting?
Starting point is 00:38:53 That I don't remember, but I remember they literally took a break from San Diego. They were shooting in San Diego. They were shooting in The clips of San Diego. They drove themselves. I just remember they like flew in and then like left because I remember it was really funny that Angel and Jolie walked out twice and it looked like.
Starting point is 00:39:10 It is still possible and it's even possible since you would probably only be bringing your four mains. You might bring your director, but you at least would have your four stars. There are scenes that need to be shot. That's what I was going to say. You could have the four of them come out, shoot something like maybe they haven't left yet.
Starting point is 00:39:27 and tomorrow they leave to start shooting, but everybody else is filming other scenes. You give them two or three days to rest. You could do it. You could absolutely do it. I don't think they have. I think that the optics on the panel are so important that they need to have a strong showing.
Starting point is 00:39:42 So I think in costume, especially we haven't seen the costumes yet. We've only seen the drawings. I think we also maybe have Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman there. I think that's a definite. I think that's a definite. But I mean in costume, I think we might have like a Deadpool and Wolverine panel,
Starting point is 00:39:56 not a Ryan Reynolds. and Hugh Jackman panel. No, yeah, I think that, yeah, you probably get, I think you get Reynolds and Hugh Jackman. But what I do think is that I don't believe that the Fantastic Forecast will be there. I think it's going to be, because I think the heavy push is going to be on Dead Pull and Wolverine because it's opening weekend.
Starting point is 00:40:11 And I think that everybody would be so excited to see them that, I don't disagree with you that Fantastic Four is going to be the next thing that is the one that everyone's really pumped for moving forward. But you don't need to put everything on their shoulders to run the, you know, that panel and if you can get them rested, have them ready to go in London and say, hey, here's a video from them. As long as you have Hugh Jackman and Reynolds there,
Starting point is 00:40:36 that will be good enough as far as people there and then you start showing a whole bunch of footage. I think that depending on what you think of the Snyder report, because Snyder says that it's going to be more movie focused and less of the TV stuff, they're going to save that for D23, which sounds more than credible. But if you do the, you probably see Thunderbolt stuff.
Starting point is 00:40:54 You'll probably see What's the other one? I think Captain America. The full sequence. Captain America? Yeah, I think we'll see like a good chunk. I think you get a trailer. I think you can get the first kind of trailer for that one.
Starting point is 00:41:07 It comes out in February. So it'll, the eighth Blade director announced me. And it's just Mearshal. And it's Mahershal. It comes out with a new hat. Well, that's when finally Jordan Peel's mysterious date was actually for Blade.
Starting point is 00:41:22 Yeah, no. Or just has a shirt. Merhershal Ali says, fuck this. I'm doing it myself. and he does the and he's directing. grabs the Infinity Conlon. Yeah, as the director.
Starting point is 00:41:33 Yeah, he's directing it himself. But I want to, I do think that they're going to wrap. I think that Faggy will bring up late. I think he will. I think he'll bring it up. But it's like, you know, don't be surprised.
Starting point is 00:41:44 You get a couple groans in the audience of like, sure. Tell us what else you're going to, we're going to say. It's like, I don't know why. Because Jordan Peel gave no other info and we knew that he was talking. there's a small part of me knowing specifically that his focus has been horror. It's not a terrible plan to tap him for that and to work with Mahershala. He's talked about how much he loves Mahershala.
Starting point is 00:42:07 That would be a crazy moment. That would be a crazy moment. The roof would blow off the place. The roof will blow off the place. That's how you salvage this, I think. If you, yeah, but here's. If that is what is about to happen, then you do that at Comic Con for sure. Yeah, here's the problem with that.
Starting point is 00:42:21 And you don't announce anything five years out. I want no announcements of 2026 or, or seven or eight or beyond, like stick to what's about to be out. Don't, don't. I think they need to course correct. Yeah, but here's the problem with the Jordan Peel announcement if they did it. And this is all fantasy booking right now. But if that was, if that was the case, because I agree, there would be amazing,
Starting point is 00:42:41 amazing moment. The problem with that moment is why it's not realistic is because there's no world where they're going to do that, that somebody like a Daniel Rickman, a Snyder, or somebody else doesn't pick that up. and find out that it's going to happen. I mean, I hear you, but in the same breath, there was enough of a tip of the hat and that even the font and coloring at which
Starting point is 00:43:07 Jordan Peel released his announcement of that date that I was like, it kind of looks bladish. It's always a mother effort trying to ice skate uphill, man. Yeah, I will see. We'll see. It's very interesting to see what's going to happen. And it's good that they're back.
Starting point is 00:43:27 I feel and I hope, because I have a whole thing on Hall H panels in general, I think that there's two. And, and Coy, you're a wonderful host. You're a really, really good host. You bring good energy to it. I feel like you're there's sometimes you're in the minority, though. I feel like there's, I feel like a lot. Yeah, but I feel like a lot of times sometimes they, they, they just bring hosts up there
Starting point is 00:43:51 sometimes. And it's just like, hey, so tell me about that scene. Guys, isn't this amazing? When it goes bad, it's so much bigger, bad because the space. Give it up. I hosted whole age three times so far, and I want, I'm hoping this year is another. But when it doesn't go well, the size of the room is suddenly apparent how bad the host is. It's like a magnifying glass to good or bad in that room.
Starting point is 00:44:09 I and you'll obviously disagree with me for everything you just said as far as your income goes. But I think they need to do away with that format. I think that it needs to be a full on kind of like show. I think it needs to be a show. Like what they did. If they hire me for the show instead, I, which could be great. You come out and go, guys. This is it.
Starting point is 00:44:24 Boom, and bring it out. Kevin Faghy, boom, and like the big events. And they've done it a few times with the big screens and all that, but make it more like a show, you know,
Starting point is 00:44:32 and if you're gonna- Negative Avengers Con from this Marvel. But some, yeah, exactly. Make it a show in the way that, like, that there was a couple things they did,
Starting point is 00:44:39 and I always bring this up with like the bumblebee panel, which was great. And there was a couple things they did. It was great. A couple of things is the same old host doing this. Tell me about this scene. It's like, but it's like there,
Starting point is 00:44:50 there is that at the very end of that panel, Stan Bush, from the original 1986, you got to touch and dare, played the music. And it was like a concert
Starting point is 00:45:01 and all this. And it's like more of a show each and every time. And that's, if you are sitting outside, those poor people who are sitting outside a hall age for,
Starting point is 00:45:11 I've slept in that line, man. For nights. And all they're getting is, okay, guys, now give a round of applause to this person. Going to talk to you about scenes you won't remember
Starting point is 00:45:20 ever and other things that no one's going to remember that I'm talking about because you're just waiting for the last five minutes for footage. Here we go. That's all it is. Every single time, you're just,
Starting point is 00:45:28 you're hearing back and forth, a couple laughs here and there, delirious laughter from people who haven't slept in over 24 hours. And then you get at the very end of it, everybody's just waiting for the footage. But when it's done right, it is an hour of stuff
Starting point is 00:45:41 that used to be no one else got to see. It's an hour of experiencing the cast together for the first and maybe only time because in junkies you have impaired. But when it's done, that's what I mean by magnifying glass. When it's done right, it is an incredible experience
Starting point is 00:45:53 that everyone in that room gets a unique time of experiencing chemistry and why this group is special and what it's like to be, you know, watching people at the height of their powers entertain. It becomes a show. Look at the Loki panel. Look at Tom Hiddleston. Look at when hosts are good, how much it can elevate a property and get good press and good questions. But when hosts are bad, it's all of the examples you just gave. And that's why when the Oscars didn't have a host like five times, it suffered. And when the Oscars have a bad host, it suffers. I agree. I think hosts are, I mean, look at what we do. make or break something. Like I really liked your interview with Vecta because like it had an energy to it versus like I've seen that do do interviews where his eyes were so tired that I felt bad for him and the interviewer because the interviewer was so bad. So like I think it's all we should give less people jobs that don't deserve. Yeah. I mean that's true and I think it's but I think there's I think there's a happy I think that. I think there's a happy. I think that yeah. You're right. But for some reason it just came off as ice cold. I just think that a lot of these people should, you know, Find another career. Maybe find another career. Maybe look over there.
Starting point is 00:46:56 Yeah. There's a way to do mix sure of both, though, too, where you can do it. And Fandome. Remember Fandome? That was dope. I think like a Fandome type of event would be read. Uh-oh. Winston had a... I just got gas. I'm going to myself. It's not for public consumption. I just had a very dark thought. Well, we'll save that. But Comic-Con. Comic-Con, I think, is either the greatest or worst example of how you market pop culture. Because what you just said is exactly true for, I'd say, 70 to 80% of panels.
Starting point is 00:47:28 But the 20 that hit are the ones that get the incredible write downs of what Comic Con can be. Those are like top 10 best panel of the year list. Those are always the ones that had good people running it and the right people on stage. You don't want to have five writers that have no media training talking to a host that can barely speak. But if you've got movie stars presenting like that hat moment with Mahershala, he said nothing. He said nothing. And it felt like it was so powerful that it's been five years and nothing's changed. probably the problem.
Starting point is 00:47:53 If he had said something, maybe the movie would have been shot now. Maybe he won't WGA. All right. Well, anyway, what do you guys think about all the Comic-Con talk,
Starting point is 00:48:00 Fantastic Four in general? Put all your thoughts in there as we want to hear from you. We want to hear what you guys think about what we just talked about and whether you agree or disagree. All right, before we get into another topic
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Starting point is 00:50:23 The Penguin, the upcoming Max spin-off, focusing on Colin Farrell's take on classic DC comics villain Oswald Coplepot, is set to take place very soon after the events of Matt Reeves, the Batman, focusing on Oz as he attempts to establish himself as Gotham City's new crime boss. When the series was first announced, we were told that an appearance from Batman himself was unlikely, but previous rumors have now indicated that Pattinson could show up as Bruce Wayne. on the latest episode of the hot mic, Jeff Snyder, claimed that Patinson will indeed appear as Batman. We have no idea how a substantial role the Dark Night will play, but we wouldn't be surprised if he only featured in a single episode.
Starting point is 00:51:03 Still, fans, no doubt, will be pleased to hear that the Cape Crusader will play even a small part in the series and getting Pattinson involved as a smart move on Warner Bros. A penguin-focused story could work without the bat, but it only makes sense that Gotham's protector would drop in at least once to keep an eye on Oz and set their dynamic up for Batman Part 2. Would you see other characters such as the Ridler or Catwoman? Yada, yada, yada.
Starting point is 00:51:27 We discussed this the other day when we talked about the penguin last week, actually. And when we talked about it, we were saying, look, it makes sense that he would show up. Why wouldn't he show up? Plus, it's Matt Reeves. And he's like, hey, you know, Robert, come help me out. We got to build this series up. It's Colin, let's do something. And we thought, which would make sense that, hey, he's on in the background.
Starting point is 00:51:47 They see him as Bruce Wayne. showing up as a Batman, is he going to be kicking some ass, or is you going to be, you know, or just, I don't know, what do you think, Winston? I think he's going to be alluded to a lot and then we'll finally get a reveal where it's needed. I think probably if I had to guess, we're going to, if we're talking in episode art, like not, not like within an episode, but like the course of a season, I think he'll show up end of act one-ish. of so like episode what are there 10 is that what is that one episode like
Starting point is 00:52:20 three maybe maybe two or three you think he's going to show up that soon but because I don't think because again the focus is on the penguin I think you need to show where the penguin is not up to snuff with what Batman is doing and then I think he really turns it up the rest of like taking over the crime family type situation and then you maybe will see the cow one more time or something like that towards the end but you essentially if you wanted to be
Starting point is 00:52:46 about the penguin, maybe it can just be showing up all the time. Yeah, it really needs to be discussionally about the penguin. Yeah. So I think, I think just, if I'm just thinking in terms of how that would work,
Starting point is 00:52:54 you either do it early in the act, so episode one, or you do it like around two or three just to really set off the big event that like sets the rest of the season and then there you go. Here's, here's my, my, my issue with that is I think that if you're Warner Brothers executive,
Starting point is 00:53:10 you want them to tune into the show, waiting every week to say, when's he showing up? When's he showing up? And then you build off and you go, wait a minute. This show's really awesome. I'm going to keep tuning in. Is he showing up this week?
Starting point is 00:53:21 But this show's really awesome. I'm tuning in this week. All right, I really want to see him, but this show's awesome. You tune in another week. And then you finally get him at like episode nine or 10. You're like, I'm so invested already. And there he is now too. And then that episode pops more.
Starting point is 00:53:32 I think they wait and they wait and the wait until you finally get him. But, Coy, what do you think? I think there's a opportunity here to make it the Penguin show and make him overpower Batman in his own day more than once. So I narratively generally I'd agree that you have them pop in so it stays Penguin show but don't have him be too much. But in the current, there's a Penguin comic out right now. It's on its second and last issue. It's a 12 issue miniseries and it's written by Tom King who is very, very predominantly working on the DCU with James Gunn. He's the guy that wrote Supergirl. He's working on the Green Lantern show. He is clearly a voice in the main, you know, table. I think that comic does a
Starting point is 00:54:12 really interesting job of showing Penguin coming back to power in Gotham, and it's doing flashbacks to Batman basically being manipulated by Penguin thinking Penguin is less in control that he is, and basically Penguin getting power by showing the bad guys that he is able to manipulate the bat. So as we've met Penguin so far in the Batman, it's him as the club owner and he's able to convince Batman of something that's not necessarily true. And he's also able to manipulate Batman's like good-natured hope for people. Even in the scene of like, why are you showing me? Like that scene, he's not in control,
Starting point is 00:54:46 but he's not defeated by Batman's usual, you know, the superstitious cowardly lot of criminals. I can see Batman being manipulated in the Penguin show a couple times. That way, it's the Penguin show versus how Batman would control. So I would have him early on to show, hey, you guys thought this was going to be just Penguin being like the underbelly and this to crime. He's actually kind of running things even with Batman knowing about him.
Starting point is 00:55:09 So in that case, I'd do it early end. then again at the end, when Batman realizes like, oh, no, no, no, this, you can't. You're in way more control than I thought. Our little deal is over, and then you get the big beat down moment you talked about. And you advertise with the beat down moment. That way people are waiting on the fight, but they've got the tease in the early. Then my only other flip to that would be you show Batman episode one, but it's not a lot. It's very quick.
Starting point is 00:55:33 It's like maybe the tail end of a fight. It's maybe the penguin reminiscing on him being like, oh, you work on your Spanish, man. Like you get that and then you get Bruce a couple of times throughout the series. And then maybe you get Batman again at the end based off of what Christian was saying about like teasing to really see Batman do something. All right. So, Corey, I got to put you on a spot here. Yeah. Before I left, you showed up to my place with a pizza from Joe's pizza.
Starting point is 00:55:58 It's true. Because of a bet we made. Can you refresh my memory what the bet was? I remembered I owed pizza and I'm a man of honor. I don't remember what I lost. I just knew I lost a piece. Oh, that doesn't help because the reason why is I am, and the audience, and I got to start recording these things and putting them down, but the audience hopefully
Starting point is 00:56:16 will help because I remember pretty clear that day that Winston also owed for that, for whatever it was, but we can't, we can't prove it. So we need to figure that out because the reason I asked that is- I know they make a lot of bets. Nobody needs to figure nothing. Yeah, exactly. So I think that we need to make a bet on this one. I think this is a bet that we should do.
Starting point is 00:56:34 What we do, we do a door dash to someone's house for whatever, whatever pizza place. that they want. So you do a DoorDash. But what you do is you basically get one, you can, unless, you know, we'll figure out if somebody says the same episode, but you guess which episode you think Batman's going to show up, right? I think it's, are there definitely 10 episodes? We don't, I don't think we have confirmation.
Starting point is 00:57:00 All right. So let's say it's 10 episodes. If it's 10 episodes, I say it's episode nine. If it's nine episodes, I say it's episodes eight. It's always one, for me, it's always one. before the finale. So you're saying penultimate. Penultimate for me.
Starting point is 00:57:12 So that's my bet. Winston, you say episode one. I see, the problem is I was saying act one, like, of, of this course of the season. So I either think it's going to be a brief thing in episode one or like episodes, say like three, whatever you would call the third point. Pick one. I would say that. So like a fine. If it's, if it's 10, then we'll say three.
Starting point is 00:57:41 If it's 10 or 9, it's 3. If it's 8, I would say, you know what? Three. All of them. Eight and nine or 10, I would say either, I would, that would say three. All right. Winston is number three. I am penultimate.
Starting point is 00:57:53 You are. Okay, so I have to give, uh, mine, I'm, I'm going to say mine is going to be two episodes, which puts me out a double or nothing situation, but I'm going to make that give me some wiggle in that. I think it's going to be either episodes two or three, but I'm doubling down because it's, it's two bets. But that's, but I don't, I don't, I don't, you don't need to be two episodes. You just need to do.
Starting point is 00:58:11 you just need to do the first one he's going to debut in. That's all you need. Oh, okay, got it. Then I'll say two. You've said nine, you've said three. I'll say two. Okay. So here.
Starting point is 00:58:21 You got to do one dollar, bro. So here. So here's just one dollar. So, camera you want to, now, now how do we want to do it in where if, if nobody hits it,
Starting point is 00:58:31 nobody gets anything or the person closest to? I think nobody hits, nobody gets. I think that's, uh, because otherwise, like, it will,
Starting point is 00:58:38 they'll have the same semantics of, yeah, sure. All right. That's fine. Nobody hits, nobody gets. Totally fair. So it'll be interesting to see who's going to get it because we got a lot of wiggle room in between if nobody hits two, three, and then we're going to be like, don't show up,
Starting point is 00:58:53 don't show up, don't show up. I hope it's episode five. Yeah, it's like, just because F, all of us. Yeah, it's like, don't show up, don't show up, no, no, no. And then Pattinson brings us pizza. That's right. Oh, Batman shows up in Peacemaker. That's what it is.
Starting point is 00:59:07 It's Patents and Batman. It shows of a peacemaker. We all lose. Dude, I'm so excited about Grillo and so much DCU. We'll talk about that as things develop. That's so exciting. All right. Well, it's exciting to be here with you guys,
Starting point is 00:59:17 and I'm glad that Winston and Corey were able to be in the same room with us. Thank you for being here today, guys, and thank you guys in general for being here with us. You can always hit that subscribe button, Apple Podcast, Spotify, anywhere podcast, for I put all your comments in there for sure. And I want to thank the guys today, of course, starting with Winston A. Marshall. Winston, where can I find you? You can find me at the, Swaggy Blurred here on YouTube and all platforms, man.
Starting point is 00:59:43 I've been putting stuff out. I did my X-Men rewatch review went up. Nice little shout out to Capson, Cals, in there. And then I'm a little behind on some stuff just leading up. I've been, you know, death in the family and I'm going on vacation, but you'll be getting, I'm going to split the bear up essentially into two. I'll do two episodes of one. What is it, eight or ten?
Starting point is 01:00:05 It's ten. It's ten. So the first five and the last five next week. and all the good stuff. So yeah, keep it out for all that. You find me in a full-sized regular height chair
Starting point is 01:00:15 over on my page at Coyondro looking like a full-size suit. We'll get you a high chair next time. And I'm covering all the weeks. This is a giant weekend comics. There are 78 new comics coming out from the five major publishers this week. And I'm reading all 78.
Starting point is 01:00:32 And even you guys, the best nine. Also covered all the news with Green Lantern, all the stuff with Superman, not showing picks, but also covering the bear in two parts. and also covering a quiet place. So lots of stuff come over to my YouTube,
Starting point is 01:00:43 and I look forward to sleeping in August. Exactly. So as Winston said, I will be reviewing the bear also. I'm not going to, I'm not breaking it up, though. I'm just going to be doing seasons. So season one or season one, I did season one already. So season three, when it's when it's done, I'll be reviewing that. Well, yeah, I know.
Starting point is 01:01:06 What I mean when I finish, when I finish watching it, when I finished watching it. Got it. Okay. I was just speaking sure. you do more. No, no, no, I'm aware. And then the other one was, um, dark matter at me. Hey, that just turned on. I like that. And then the perfect. Wait, hold on a second. I got to play with this. Look at this. And that, oh, shit. Turn this. Anyway, he's literally got distracted by shiny objects. Like in real time. Like an actual shiny object. He's drunk with power. Look at him. I love the Christian just mothed himself.
Starting point is 01:01:36 I totally did. Anyway, so I'll be doing reviews of that. There's other things coming out in the channel. I think I might already have a full review of dark matter up at this point when this airs. Maybe not, but at least it's coming up soon. Game of Throw, House of the Dragon, rather. I am finally going to start doing those spoiler reviews. This move has been a little bit tough, but I will get to it. So thanks for joining us here.
Starting point is 01:01:59 If you're into the UAP phenomenon, make sure you check out our channel. It is Down Earth, Christian Harloff. The UAP Tuesday show is officially over there now. I have a great interview with Chris Mozilla, who is the co-host on Robert Downey Jr.'s show on HBO Max, the Robert Downey Jr. kind of sweepstakes for the cars. He also is co-owner of the Gotham Comedy Club. We have a great conversation. Another New York guy, Queens guy. So we have a really good conversation.
Starting point is 01:02:24 So I hope you will join us next week for that one. So for myself, Winston and Coy, capes and cows. We'll see you later. Bye-bye.

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